Thread 150251487

What are some of the most batshit and dumbest executive stories you've heard of?

Mike Lazzo is usually praised within the CN and Adult Swim cycle, but made some really retarded claims early on.
>couldn't understand I Am Weasel because weasels and baboons didn’t interact in the wild.
>sabotaged Johnny Bravo because he personally didn't like Kirk Tingblad and his crew, despite it doing really well
>changed the voice of Robot Jones to a little kid instead of the text to speech one., must to the dismay of creator Greg Miller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4NErpCXFh0&t=1990s

He did worse things later on when he Adult Swim president, liking cancelling ATHF despite it still doing good in the ratings.

>cancelling ATHF despite it still doing good in the ratings.
Yet most of us here complain about The Simpsons, Family Guy and SpongeBob not ending

>>150251487 (OP)
>couldn't understand I Am Weasel because weasels and baboons didn’t interact in the wild.
Did his dumbass ever consider that Timon and Pumbaa were hugely popular at the time? The masses doesn't give a shit about accurate animal pairings.

Got three for adaptations
Amelia Rules!
>Creator of Amelia Rules! is approached by an exec to make a tv show to which he agrees to
>She backs off at the last second because she didn't actually read the series and when she finally did she found out it tackled more serious topics than expected
>They changed their mind because Amelia Rules had too much "content" and "content" is bad for the female demographic who just needed a cute icon to latch onto to buy stuff and having "content" is damaging for a girls property
>This exec was a woman

Regarding adaptations
Amelia Rules!
>Creator of Amelia Rules! is approached by an exec to make a tv show to which he agrees to
>She backs off at the last second because she didn't actually read the series and when she finally did she found out it tackled more serious topics than expected
>They changed their mind because Amelia Rules had too much "content" and "content" is bad for the female demographic who just needed a cute icon to latch onto to buy stuff and having "content" is damaging for a girls property
>This exec was a woman

Franny K. Stein
>Creator was approached to get Franny K. Stein adapted for a cartoon series
>Network execs wanted to age up the character, make her envious of popular girls, have her focus on crushes, etc
>Basically the series in name only to which he heavily disagreed with
Bone
>In 1998 Nickelodeon wanted to adapt Bone for the big screen and signed a deal with Jeff Smith
>They wanted the Bones to be played by children, Fone Bone to have magic gloves, have the focus move to Thorn, the ending to be changed, and have music from Nsync and Britney Spears
>The meddling got so bad Smith walked out of the project

>>150251487 (OP)
>changed the voice of Robot Jones to a little kid instead of the text to speech one., must to the dismay of creator Greg Miller
wasn't that one partially for legal reasons, I remember hearing somewhere the company that made the digitizer they used for Robot Jones original voice threatened to sue CN for using it without their permission

>>150251487 (OP)
ENTER

>>150251487 (OP)
Lazzo sabotaged Superjail by progressively limiting what they could depict as well to the point of "no cigarettes ever" (why the anti-smoking episode happened), and then only greenlighting them for 6 episodes in season 4.
More importantly, the Moral Orel mess was uh, something.

>>150251487 (OP)
In season 2 of Gravity Falls, there is a scene in the Golf War episode where the executives wanted Pacifica and her parents to have a seatbelt on, despite being inside a parked limousine. They seemly argued with the crew over it. I don't remember who won, but it feels retarded either way. Just draw the 2 lines. It doesn't obstruct the scene at all.

>>150251592
>They wanted the Bones to be played by children, Fone Bone to have magic gloves, have the focus move to Thorn, the ending to be changed, and have music from Nsync and Britney Spears.
Its funny how this retarded studio trend following is so common that even comics in 70's like Fat Freddy's Cat poked fun at it.

>>150251487 (OP)
Nickpedos are even worse

Ted Turner killing Swat Kats was the worst executive meddling

Butthurt Indians whining about Ghandi in Clone High was the worst general public meddling.

The Boston Police Department going full retard over some LED lights was the worst government meddling.

>>150252634
>Ted Turner killing Swat Kats was the worst executive meddling
This didn't happen

>>150251619
It was actually because they wanted him to sound “more Hollywood”
Fuck Lazzo for that pathetic excuse.

>>150252960
Yes it did. He explicitly cancelled it himself because he thought it was too violent

>>150253200
You would fail to provide proof of that.

>>150253278
>The way I heard it was that Ted Turner himself simply thought the show was too violent for kids

That's from Lance Falk, one of the creators.

https://swatkats.info/exclusives/lance-falk-interviews/

>>150251487 (OP)
Mike Lazzo literally got better at his job as time went on so people often think about the good at the tail end of his career and not the shitty start. I guess we can scratch OUR heads about when ML thought a show could not work because the anthropomorphic animal cast would never be able to interact in the wild, but eventually he seemed to come around on more off the wall shit working and we actually got a decent era of animation on CN/AS out of it.

One of the weird things about the corporate world is the job of "find the right people for the job" is harder then one might think and it makes sense to me somebody would take a while to really hit the groove on it. It also would track that once the people person who can find the hits is gone, shit would also start to stink. Hollywood was a lot better before the best "people finder" went to jail for sexual assault, for better or worse.

>>150251635
for what its worth, i can't hate Dan if only cause he believed in ReBoot during the ABC days and was always championing for it and jumped ship to Mainframe once it was cancelled the first time.

>>150251487 (OP)
Nick greenlighting a show from a creator previously known for his insanely deranged works like Johnny the Homicidal Maniac and proceeding to butt heads with him at every step, getting mad at the budget because they were directing money and animators towards CatDog which they were still convinced was going to be a smash hit, and then finally cancelling the show because even though it did great with teens and young adults that wasn't the specific demographic they wanted it to do well in, despite it up-front clearly aiming for an older audience.

>>150252960
>>150253278
The Ted Turner violence thing is well-known but it was more like the final straw, the show also had some legal trouble with the characters and Hanna-Barbera didn't like how expensive it was to produce. The questionable bullshit that I've never seen a real source for is that Ted Turner wanted to cancel the series because Callie gave him a stiffy.

>>150251487 (OP)
The one that comes to mind at the moment was when they canceled Young Justice because too many girls liked it and some corpofuck didn't want to make toys for girls.

And the way they sabotaged the non-beanmouth Thundercats reboot by sticking it in the death sentence time slot

don't look up Glitch Techs.

>>150251789
Wasn't the entirety of Gravity Falls full of insane demands?

>>150251487 (OP)
According to a Q&A with SpongeBob writer Dani Michaeli, Nick are the ones that forces the writers to make those 22-44 minute specials, which explains why many of them are shit.

Rich people need to be sent to a mental asylum.

>>150251487 (OP)
Disney wanted Jake Long to wear a helmet and knee pads while flying in his dragon form

>>150251487 (OP)

Hasbro with every new generation of product of Horse Show forcing to add G4 references

>>150253407

The budget thing was Steve Ressel's fault while Vasquez just wanted to make a funny show.

Ricky Simmons always hated Ressel's retarded ideas

>>150253427
>The questionable bullshit that I've never seen a real source for is that Ted Turner wanted to cancel the series because Callie gave him a stiffy.
That’s just something /co/ made up and drawfags ran with because it’s a funnier explanation. Fucking hilarious if people are actually taking it seriously now.

>>150253869
>And the way they sabotaged the non-beanmouth Thundercats reboot by sticking it in the death sentence time slot

And even then it did well enough to warrant a second season. They canceled it because legends of chima had a similar looking protagonist and premise and CN decided to kill all their plot driven half hour action shows in favor of 11 minute comedy driven shows like Adventure Time and Regular show.

Funny enough according to recent reports CN's ratings went into a free fall a little after this purge, around 2014 when they canceled Ben 10 Omniverse their last action driven show, and has never recovered.

Looking back Thundercats and Young Justice's cancelations were canary in a coal miner situations of what was coming

>>150252919
Chad move jeff

>>150253869
>The one that comes to mind at the moment was when they canceled Young Justice because too many girls liked it and some corpofuck didn't want to make toys for girls.
And then they made season 3 try too hard to appeal to women.

>>150251487 (OP)
Fox screwing over Family Guy, American Dad, Futurama and King of the Hill, before they eventually returned

>>150251487 (OP)
the Bye Bye Beavers situation, Nick really screwed Angry Beavers crew and its creator Mitch Schauer

Look up Glitch Techs.

>>150253384
>so people often think about the good at the tail end of his career
Nah his entire career is mixed. He still has some brilliant stuff early on, but even late in his career he's making bizarre personal decisions because of his diehard hipster idea of being unable to coast and wanting to not dwell on the past

>>150256094
Didn't he kill C Martin Croker?

>>150253407
The problem with examples like this was it wasn't "Nickelodeon" as some singular entity, it was executive A, who left, and then executive B comes along and hates the show and wants it gone so they can replace it with a cartoon they are currently pitching. Right hand vs left hand.

>>150251487 (OP)
I didn’t know that about Johnny Bravo. Now I can see why they hired Van Partible back.

>>150251789

Wasnt that the same Ep that had the graphic scene of a sentient golfball having a very tragic fate befall upon him as a one off gag and then mabel and pacifica just move on with the game? Thats OK but a seatbelt in a fully parked limo is out of the question?

>>150256102
Croker probably could've made better financial decisions, but allegedly Adult Swim was flaky with payments. Either way, Lazlo should've helped out the guys he came up with better. Croker was the one animating all the new work for Space ghost and working on countless AS shows and CN bumpers; they weren't just reusing assets, Croker was drawing them based off the old model sheets because they didn't just have access to all the old cels and needed some new scenes as well. It's a testament to how good an artist Croker is that many don't realize there's a lot of original assets in SGC2C

>>150251680
>Lazzo sabotaged Superjail

Maybe he's not as bad as I thought...

>>150251487 (OP)
>Mike Lazzo is usually praised within the CN and Adult Swim cycle, but made some really retarded claims early on.
Dude is just lucky thats all right place right time fucked everyone else over the get the highest spot job the boss of everyone.

He has way more blunders than wins dude also hated anime with a passion canceled every good show to promote """new""" garbage because people get bored of old shows

Fucking cancled ATHF which cost nothing to make but let squidbillies go on for longer than 3 seasons the show which hardly anyone liked and was rarely funny(but at least when it was funny shit was beyond hilarious)

>>150251487 (OP)
Lazzo is actual living proof that someone can be a worthless, uneducated, lazy piece of shit in Modern day USA and still somehow bumblefuck into a high paying decent job while giving absolutely zero effort into any aspect of their lives. Any other country in any other time period he would have starved to death by 22.

>>150251635
I never really have understood the whole concept of the guy in charge deciding
>Fuck all these selling titles that are making money right now
>I want everything wound back to MY CHILDHOOD only!! Who cares if I cancel books that are selling and kill the company in the process, what pleases me is the most important thing ever!!!
Which is kind of why you should never ever allow a fanboy reach any heights in a company. They are going to cancel everything they do not personally like and promote only what they want to personally read. Somehow it's what they want and not what the customer wants.

>>150251680
Superjail was just 8 minutes of gore porn, who the fuck cares?

>>150251487 (OP)
Adult Swim screwing over Venture Bros., Superjail, Metalocalypse, and Boondocks

>>150256282

Carly Means, Frylock's VA refused to leave the state of New Jersey to look for voice acting work and both Dana and Dave are both dedicated members to the VA guild so they get royalties with Dana getting the highest royalties especially in merch. Carly continues to voice frylock because he literally due to travel reasons cant better market himself so he was basically voicing frylock for almost nothing compared to the pay everyone else was making on the show.

>>150256394

Mike is also a massive shill for MacFarlene slop and Rick and Morty.

>>150252960
Then why the fuck does Mega Babies exist?

>>150255066
>Watching anything before or after G4

>>150253869
That one make perfect sense to anyone that has dealt with broadcast tv. It's not even executive meddling, it's the paid advertisers that own those timeslots that cause the problems.

Timeslots are paid for by advertisers, the advertisers are the ones who actually control a show living or dying, and all they want is something to bring in a very specific demographic that aligns with the product they are advertising, since they spent millions on that ad space. A company that makes and sells products for boys 9-12 only want a show that draws in boys ages 9-12 in their 11AM timeslot. The studio has to ensure that the show they have there only draws in boys ages 9-12. Ratings do not matter in this, they want the demo first!

The show brings in a different demographic, pisses off the advertisers who will pull their ad revenue if a show fails to grab the demo they demand. The network has to make a fast change now, and they can only axe the show or move it to another timeslot since the Advertisers are the paypigs in charge of all of this and they want instant results. 90% of the time that means the show is buried for something else immediately. The Advertisers cannot care what else goes in that slot, as long as it aligns with their ad demo.

>>150256632
It always fascinates me when actors make retarded decisions like this.
>I'm not going to change my lifestyle to suit my career, even if it bites me in the ass, because [something something racism]

>>150256674
Bronies, this is your mindset.

>>150256685
No one really knows what role the ad guys play in broadcast stuff. A show can have amazing ratings and still be cancelled because the ad companies didn't like it or it somehow didn't match their brand...during the commercials. The part no one ever wants to pay attention to or flips channels when they're on. But ad companies controlled what remained on tv or what was cancelled throughout most of tv history.

The only times a network was capable of being in charge is the very few and far between times a show was such a huge breakout hit that the channel could now be the ones who dictated who gets to buy the ad space, and advertisers were massively competing with each other who got to have that golden timeslot space.

>>150251487 (OP)
>>changed the voice of Robot Jones to a little kid instead of the text to speech one., must to the dismay of creator Greg Miller
This one will always baffle me because I have never met a single person who didn't like the robot voice better.

>>150256685
This is why you make sure the show has its own merch

>>150256645
>MacFarlene slop
only American Dad is kino

>>150256755
To be fair, it was a fartful hate cartoon.

>>150257119
shut the fuck up Mr. Enter

>>150256755
His show was responsible for a mass shooting. He deserved much worse.

>>150257154
that was Danny Phantom, you retard

>>150257168
No, it was Evil Con Carne and it killed 12 people.

>>150257183
Wait, was it recent?

>>150256282
He made good shit

>>150257203
>Both Crocker and Lowe are dead now

>>150257255
Show started 31 years ago, it's been a long damn time now.

>>150257334
Watching this clip makes me mad that they never attempted a live action movie
https://youtu.be/1-cHCBg6zs4

>>150251487 (OP)
Mike's another boomer who was in the right place at the right time. Got sucked up the ladder by the power vacuum and made things worse the more he was allowed to act on his own.

based executives removing hateful fart cartoons from the air and protecting the minds of children (while giving them what they really want thanks to the miracle of focus groups)

The reason why Freakazoid abandoned most of their characters and focused on half hour stories, as opposed to the sketch format, was because WB wanted to focus on more stories that made sense.

>>150255196
>canary in a coal miner
That's disgusting

>>150257183
Loco. You cant say shit like that and expected that people to know what happened.

>>150257489
That sucks. Season 2 was still great, but I loved those shorts and missed them.

>>150257183
When the fuck that happened?

>>150257183
The hell?

>>150257183
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0

>>150251592
Are you kidding, I would have loved a Franny cartoon.

jamie kellner

>>150257203
He used to go to my local con every year and i deeply regret not getting anything from him

>>150251487 (OP)
>>changed the voice of Robot Jones to a little kid instead of the text to speech one., must to the dismay of creator Greg Miller
Wasn't this because of copyright issues?

>>150256576
Boondocks i can understand because aaron really didn't set himself up for success production wise. Obviously something that good takes time to make but that doesn't feel like meaningless corporate dickery as much as the rest of these.

>>150259404
No, read the thread and watch the creator video faggot.

>>150251789
Most Standard and Practices for kids networks are very anal about seatbelts. Ok Ko had an issue where rad was sitting on top of a car hood and the animators never gave him a seatbelt cause it wouldn’t make sense where he was. The network cleared the scene on the grounds that they give him a seatbelt and they never let rad be animated on top of a car again.

>>150256674

>Nooo this IP needs only one generation to be relevant and not allowed to have multiple incarnations like Transformers and TMNT

This is the mindset that Hasbro has with MLP btw

>>150253869
>And the way they sabotaged the non-beanmouth Thundercats reboot by sticking it in the death sentence time slot
They did it to all their non-spammed shows

>>150256465
>I never really have understood the whole concept of the guy in charge deciding
Fanboys running the asylum, see Infinite Crisis for the peak of their hypocrisy

Meanwhile I'm wondering how the fuck did Danny Antonucci get such a good deal from CN

>>150251552
Timon and Pumbaa are a meerkat and warthog pairing

not only are they found together in the wild, they even mimic each others' calls

>>150259981
they aren't jungle animals stupid, meerkats live in dry burrows.

>>150251592
The bone one hurts so much

>>150259482
That note just makes the scene way funnier lol

>>150259482
It's because it is an "imitative act" and they don't want to be sued.
Standards and Practices is just a legal department. They're not moral police.

>>150259568
>nick at nite were somehow more lax in this area

>>150257404
Stfu fag

>>150260152
Network censors have always been retarded as fuck and their rules can change every other week.

There are shows like Owl House that had the plug pulled because they didn't get the desired child viewership.

>>150255770
Shit up!

>>150260380
Because they're not "rules", they're concerns that they might be sued.

>>150260380
Bob Camp said they were idiots and always were.

>one week you can say the word "butt"
>next week you can't
>one week you can show a character smoking
>the next week you can't
>one week you can show a character's bare butt
>next week you can't
And so forth.

>>150260348
>The show did well in the ratings but was cancelled after just three seasons because its audience was mostly over the age of 40 and
my mother said she was sure the audience for this show was over the age 70

>>150260434
Hearkens back to what >>150256859 said about advertisers. If a show that had paid advertising space for girls ages 8-11 only attracts adults age 20+ then it's a failure to attract the core target demo and they have to make a change or drop it.

When they force a character nobody likes. Elmyra.

>>150260434
Owl House got the plug pulled because the showrunners lied to Disney executives about it being episodic instead of plot driven.

>>150255042
Jake Long was forced to talk like a rapper all the time per executive request when originally it was only meant to be a gag when he was nervous or trying to hype himself up

Blame this one on both executives AND feminist cunts who were full of themselves to make this happen.

>>150262243
So by "women" they meant troons, right?

>>150253388
So? It doesn't outweigh all the bad he did, including ruining Beast Wars.

>>150251487 (OP)
Jeffrey Katzenberg’s desire to see “Winnie the Pooh in the hood”, hanging out with two kids named “Flip” and “Rinky-dink.”

>>150263137
I think he’s referring them as soccer moms

>>150251635
Good, all those shows are garbage

>>150259568
Thus began a years long dog anus crusade culminating in a feature length film. If only those executives could have known the long term impact their decision would have.

P&F songs

>>150251487 (OP)
>sabotaged Johnny Bravo because he personally didn't like Kirk Tingblad and his crew, despite it doing really well
Good. Tingblad didn't understand Johnny Bravo.

If someone has it, please post the comic about them cancelling GLtAS, it always infuriates me. Also the last episode of Batman BatB was definitely about exec meddling.

>>150264701
Tingblad made the only good episodes of JB

>>150264125
Those are kino

>>150251487 (OP)
Look at how they massacred my girl.

>>150253869
>The one that comes to mind at the moment was when they canceled Young Justice because too many girls liked it and some corpofuck didn't want to make toys for girls.
This didn't happen. What happened was someone asked Dini (who did not work on Young Justice about it) and he tangented into why he believed his own show (Tower Prep, a live action series) had been cancelled. This was then spun around into Dini (again, not invovled with YJ) saying it was cancelled because too many girls watched it. That wasn't true, YJ's audiencew as almost entirely male.

What killed it was a combination of three things: cost, ratings and toys. The Green Lantern movie flopped so Mattel decided to cancel their DC toy lines. No toys meant no additional money coming in which isn't good for a show that was expensive to produce. On top of that, the ratings weren't really any better than shit that was way cheaper. So the show was a money pit and the ratings weren't there to justify keeping it around and so it got axed.

>>150265396
Post the model sheets.

Voltron Legendary Defenders showrunners hated that Dreamworks and WEP excs told them to keep Shiro alive.

Their original plan was killing him and having Keith becoming the actual mc but they told the "no that's stupid" beacuse he became a fan favorite for toy sales only for wave 1 to flop in merchandise.

>>150251552
Oh the irony, considering the Timon and Pumbaa TV show got the shaft alongside it's fellow Saturday morning toons not just because of the competition eating up CBS' Saturday Morning ratings and Disney acquiring their competitor ABC, but because of the executives of the FCC.

To be fair, CBS also attempted a similar block to compete with TNBC and pretty much the budget of some shows were cut, leading to Garfield and Friends not only getting shitcanned, but did an entire US Acres segment mocking said budget cuts.

>>150251552

Maxwell Atoms mentioned that Lazzo was always jealous of Disney Channel's sucess in the 2000s with their live action sitcoms and movies so maybe

>>150263538
It's about comics you fag

>>150266262

See the issue is that the TV series wasnt exactly making a return investment the way the movie did since Lion King being a huge financial success was an accident. That budget went into pocohontas which was a mild be it mid micro success compared to how much of a merchandising gold mine Lion King was. And on top of that, what is the point of a Lion King spin off with almost none of their original cast from the Lion King. I get Timone and Pumba are on all the merchandising but like they arent the face of the brand.

>>150266156

Shiro's arc peaked when it was revealed the Galra were so desperate to reclaim from all their massive failures during the war they reached a point where after Zarkon was finally killed they were out of ideas and thought "fuck it put a clone of Shiro in one of the Lions so his Galra psyop programming would bring it to us. Its time to see if Lotor really is as smart as his father."

>>150261395

>Sir Jake has literally one black best friend and he's fucking chinese with chinese heirtage. The chinese dont even fucking like rap
>He lives in an urban part of town right?
>That is not the point.

>>150260594

See here is the issue with this, Ren and Stimpy is marketed to children and the problem is while there are smoking laws that forbid children from smoking especially long after those ep's were aired since lung cancer awareness was becoming more common they were feeling how on a subconscious level a child might want a cigarette or imitate wanting to smoke one. Also, cigarette companies and their contracts on what is and isnt their product are total fucking bullshit get royalty checks for every depiction of a cigarette on TV even if that cigarette isnt directly referenced as their brand. See that famous Flintstones cigarette commercial was different because cigarettes were marketed to everyone. There was no shame back then for a 13 year old to buy a cigarette from the 1 cent machines. Even Anti Smoking ads they get royalty checks from those as well.

>>150255770
>>150260466
and also the fact that Nick didn't even bother to release Angry Beavers commercially on VHS during its initial run unlike Hey Arnold nor CatDog, despite having good ratings

>>150258730
>a Franny cartoon.
you mean THIS Franny?

>>150261138
I wondered how Cree Summer felt about voicing her

>>150267645
She had been voicing white girls for a decade by the time tiny Toons came along

>>150256653
Because the Tremblay Brothers are perverts who got another opportunity?

>>150251635
Fuck you I laughed

>>150265396
>filename
Kek

>>150267772
No shit sherlock, that's what I'm asking. I'm asking, how does she feel about voicing the character, retard. Does she regret it or not

>>150267860
*not what I'm asking

>>150267772
are you gonna answer my question fag? >>150267860
>>150267871

>>150267907
cope harder retard

>>150267925
Stay out of it faglord

>>150267936
arrest yourself fag

>>150267943
Die tard

>>150267959
no you porch monkey

>>150267964
Seethe harder faggot

>>150267974
cope some more fag

>>150267907
>>150267925
>>150267936
>>150267943
>>150267959
>>150267964
>>150267974
>>150267994

>>150268000
no I'm gonna keep fighting because I'm getting horny from this faggot

>>150263364
>
No. Women who flat out HATED cartoons. And one of them was an abuse victim of John K. Who even started a witch hunt making people think the reboot would make him relevant again. Except nickelodeon stated John k was nowhere near it, and everything went silent when she somehow got on board as a producer. Doesn't that strike you odd?

>>150251487 (OP)
>couldn't understand I Am Weasel because weasels and baboons didn’t interact in the wild
It's a fucking joke on the nursery rhyme Pop Goes The Weasel. Hell, they literally set the show's own theme song to it. It doesn't get much more clear than that.

>>150258730
Around 15:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS6esBvNCkk

>>150251487 (OP)
Someone needs to come up with a book or documentary about all the behind-the-scenes drama about Johnny Bravo.

Postan to keep this thread alive:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PpsWirQt6AM
Regular Show's 2nd halloween special had its original ending re-done because S&P thought it was too dark. Later halloween episodes also made it so that even the stories within the episodes couldn't end on a bad note, they all had to make it out alive.

In general CN has gotten way over-protective since the 2000s and early 2010's, that ben 10 reboot couldn't even show Ben's grandpa drinking coffee and they changed stinkfly because kids in focus groups thought his original design was too scary.

>>150256576
Stuperduperjail was just 8 minutes of gore porn, who the fuck cares?

>>150262243
Why do they keep hiring people who hate the source material for reboots? This is the 3rd time its happened to a 90s show

>>150251487 (OP)
The entirety of Bat-embargo because characters were outright banned from appearing other shows if one show was using them. The best examples being Batman unable to appear in Teen Titans despite being part of Robin's backstory or The Batman (2004) wasn't allowed to use Scarecrow, Ra's al Ghul and Two-Face.

>>150269901
The other half of the matter for TT was that Murakami and co. felt involving the rest of the DCU was irrelevant and would take attention away.

When it came to The Batman, the only reason why Batgirl and Robin got added later was because WB wanted them used somewhere if Nolan was refusing to have them in the live-action.

>>150265396
Pointy glasses were seen as "scary" by kids they said.

>>150269504
>that ben 10 reboot couldn't even show Ben's grandpa drinking coffee
That's a new one. I understand cigarettes and drinks but coffee?

From the "Art of Courage the Cowardly Dog" book.

>>150251592
>They wanted the Bones to be played by children, Fone Bone to have magic gloves, have the focus move to Thorn, the ending to be changed, and have music from Nsync and Britney Spears

>>150251487 (OP)
Nickelodeon censored a gay SpongeBob gag.

>>150270604
>the final product is arguably worse

>>150256480
Didn't watch the show did we?

>>150260632
It must’ve been hard to tell any jokes on tv before The Simpsons hit the scene.

>>150267645
>>150267772
Cree's half white from her dad's side

Executives are always right and they should be allowed to make every decision ever. Perpetually neurotic coke fiends are the most rational people in the world.

>>150269504
>https://youtube.com/watch?v=PpsWirQt6AM
I'd pay good money to see this fully animated and voiced.

>>150270847
Oh well thank God for the one drop rule.

>>150270604
Nah, here I agree with Nick. Having SpongeBob showing genuine unquestionable love interest to Squidward change their dynamic too much. Leave shipping to fanfics.

>>150270705
Who needs to watch Superdeeduperjail to know it's bad?

>>150259703
Cartoon Network was a young and desperate network trying to punch-up against Nickelodeon and to shake off the Hanna-Barbera yoke it had on its neck.

>>150256132
Close. Executive B almost always tries to "make their mark" by changing things executive A had greenlit.

>>150262243
>New Ren & Stimpy
>written exclusively by a bunch of woke feminist because they happen to be female (or claim to be one)

Okay, I'll never watch a single second of this shit now no matter if they release it. DEI can't die soon enough.

>>150251592
what's the deal with Trishia? Never read this comic. Is she abused?

>>150271232
Ventricular septal defect
Amelia's also pieces together that Trishia's hobby of writing fantasy is her way of coping with the possibility she could die

>>150269504
>Later halloween episodes also made it so that even the stories within the episodes couldn't end on a bad note, they all had to make it out alive.
The Previous Owner, the one where Mordecai and Rigby turn into chocolate, The Hole all disagree with you as there's (1) or more character who dies/is dead and doesn't make it out.

>>150257489
CAZAMALOS!!!

>>150271069
That's what I said.

>wanna see a magic trick?
>watch me turn a 300k annual selling series to 100k because of my personal relationship issues!

>>150262243
>the writers wouldn't let us in the writing room
Barge in anyway, YOU'RE THEIR BOSS, FFS.

>>150256480
Everyone

>>150271260
Ooof, poor girl.

It is interesting how a company doesn't realize it's stuff like this that gives works like this that extra appeal that makes it transcend its superficial attraction.

Just as an example that goes both ways, X-Men's civil rights allegory versus it's exciting sci fi action complement one another. Had it just been an allegorical story with no cool powers then it would not have become so huge. However, if it was just good mutants vs bad mutants without the whole premise of "defending a world that hates them" it would feel too hollow and lacking in substance and people would lose interest.

Or take Harry Potter, for all its faults, has that extra detail of child hood abuse for Harry. That's not something that's obvious from the covers, merchandizing etc but it's a core to the character that makes him who he is. Ignoring things like that just leads to hollow stories.

>>150271069
I suppose I've never been in such a position before so I'm not sure how I'd act. Is there any more casual setting like that that us laymen could relate to? Getting into something pre-existing and then deciding to change it in order to leave a mark? I can't think of anything truly that isn't a business scenario.

>>150267613
Gimme some of that franny fanny!

>>150269623
>umm...acktually it's 11 minutes

>>150255770
Don't forget about one of the writers of the show Micah Wright. He is a dumbass stolen valor leftist who also screwed over his animators when making his project Constant Payne by demanding each of his animators minimum wages, even Nick hated it so much which explains why his pilot was not picked up for a full show (that and also 9/11 happened)

>>150270107
....How? She looks like the most 80s office woman ever.

>>150270604
Based Nick, fujos can get fucked. They ruin everything they touch.

>>150266156
Why are they like this?

Sounds like a thread to ask.
What was it I've heard about some female exec shutting Spider-Man The Animated Series down before it could resolve everything simply because she didn't like Semper?
Can anybody elaborate if it's true?

>>150271717
HR is the real boss.

>>150256576
Oh boo hoo venture bros got 7 seasons and a movie which might as well been season 8 without the filler

>>150260564
rules = things we think we will get sued over so it's all the same

>>150273170
No, kys.

>>150269623
>>150273141
nice samefagging loser

>>150272263
>This is what Stupidfail fans really believe.

>>150273643
do you have autism?

>>150256480
You, because of your autistic obsessive hatred over it, you keep replying over it. You keep replying, "get over Superjail, bro," so maybe I suggest you need to take your advice to heart

>>150265396
Second one looks like she was made to be very closely modeled after the actress in the second movie. Not sure why they try to go full realism for just one character though.

>>150269504
>in focus groups thought his original design was too scary.
personally as a kid, i just thought it was gross.
there's no way kids thought stinkfly was scary but ghostfreak was fine

>>150256480
11 minutes but definitely after a while they ran out of plots and the whole thing just turned into trying to find a way to get to that 3 or so minute kill sequence each and every episode had.

>>150270420
>first one
honestly, i'll always keep my stance on this, i really REALLY don't want to see characters puking

>>150272249
I don't know of any other job that has a similar dynamic where the boss is almost routinely replaced every 3-5 years, and the new guy always has to shake up nearly everything so it can be "theirs!"

Nor can I think of another job where the boss is 9/10 times an extraordinarily a narcissistic 2nd/3rd generation rich nepo baby asshole coke addict that demands their own personal ideas they dreamed up on a coke high be on the front of every building and billboard. While they blame all of that on their employees and fire them if their idea didn't work out with the general public. Just other entertainment like video game dev.

Anyone that has worked in production has a few stories of a rich moron executive telling them something stupid or doing some destructive while patting themselves on the back for having the best idea ever, before they take off to go blow a 5th of the budget on partying with their friends. it happens everywhere.

Did Gumball not suffer from this?

>>150260348
>1960's
>with a bunch of 1940's, 1930's, and even 1920's songs
No wonder. 1980's pop albums aren't exactly selling today either.

>>150271342
This is more of a bait and switch while Olan was called on it. But even then it was the doubly whammy of the TBS animation block dying because of Louis CK and the Discovery merger that killed it.

Olan made a long tweet where he wanted to pitch a serious drama scifi, but he made it look like Rick and Morty while making the first few episodes a comedy because he knew that WB was only interested in a wacky comedy that perfectly resembled R&M. So he mostly liked to them to get the show off the ground and then he was going to just slowly turn it back into his original concept.

>>150272921
Jews

>>150272921
Catholics

>>150274176
They should have seen the original pilot and realized what they were getting.

>>150274016
>Nor can I think of another job where the boss is 9/10 times an extraordinarily a narcissistic 2nd/3rd generation rich nepo baby asshole coke addict that demands their own personal ideas they dreamed up on a coke high be on the front of every building and billboard. While they blame all of that on their employees and fire them if their idea didn't work out with the general public.
I think this is 90% of all people in upper management actually. Maybe more.

>>150253407
I remember Zim being a huge hit with young elementary school aged kids and tweens while it was airing. They liked quoting Gir and Zim because it was just silly nonsense stuff said in funny voices to them. Parents hated it.

But it wasn’t like, say, Owl House where younger kids ignored it and only young adults engaged.

>>150261395
>it was only meant to be a gag when he was nervous or trying to hype himself up
Damn, that woulda been a cute character trait.,

>>150251487 (OP)
> So why a baboon and a weasel?
> Well, it's about how Republicans and White people are stupid garbage that deserve to die and black people are amazing. I had the idea while I was spending time in Israel.
Not even in their wildest dreams could /pol/ come up with something like this.

Never 4get

>>150253200
It inadvertently lead to us getting Scooby-Doo: Zombie Island, so I can live with it

>>150260066
At least the deal with Scholastic Books worked out very well.

>>150259568
After seeing Fixed it turns out they were right to tell him no.

>>150260022
Meerkats and Warthogs have a symbiotic relationship IRL

>>150270346
Maybe it’s mormons.

>>150274016
The american presidency.

>>150266510
> From the J, to the A, to the K, to the E
> I'm the Mac Daddy Dragon of the NYC
> Ya heard!?

>>150274518
Killing off the gay character? Not a chance.

>>150255042
what?
you got a post from the creator or something?
that sounds so fucking retarded

>>150270604

>LGTBT characters, references, implications are only ok as jokes

Sam and Luna from The Loud House

>>150276250
Gay women are fine, gay men are too political

>>150273170
"Rules" imply consistency and a finite list.
"Things we think we will get sued over" changes with the wind.

>>150276603
Au contrair

>>150276717
no no... he's got a point

>>150275145
That explains Timon and Pumba

>>150272921
Atheists

>>150272921
Mormons

>>150275145
Post it

>>150272226
>The trick, and this is the hokiest thing in the world and is completely corny and you guys will be like rolling your eyes, but I always picture like writing Amelia for one person: the saddest little girl in the world. Okay? . . .
>You don’t know if she has any friends, you don’t know if she has any family or any money, but she’s, like, in a library, right? And she’s just miserable. And she has this book.
>And so what am I going to say to her? Well, I want to say something that’s funny, hopefully. I want to say something that’s uplifting, ultimately. But I also want to say something that’s true, because false hope isn’t hope. It’s just a lie.
>So that’s what I try to do. And the truth of the matter is that sometimes childhood is not “suitable for children.”

https://ozandends.blogspot.com/2014/01/writing-for-saddest-little-girl-in-world.html

>>150260066
Guy didn't draw a single panel until the entire story was written, so getting that Nickelodeon input must have been bullshit. This hurt more though:

>Followed Jeff Smith on social media
>Netflix adaptation was a possibility. >Lots of tiny updates. Everybody's hyped.
>One day Jeff says "sorry guys. It's not happening any more."

>>150272921
Democrats

>>150260594
why does that diddy ahh blud want to show naked butts and cigarettes to kids???

>>150272921
Republicans

>>150277480
You type like a retard

>>150274176
He should have known you can't do anything interesting with adult animation.

>>150251635
Hot take: DiDio is based for trying to keep war comics and Western comics in publication at DC. Everyone on this stupid board complains about how capeshit dominates comics yet you hate on the one EiC in decades who tried to do something to change that.

>>150277909
no

The reason why current cartoons are entrenched in the hellscape that is A.I. because greedy execs are methheaded baboons

Don't think for a picosecond that /a/ is immune to executive asshattery either.
>> The entirety of the "Blue Knight" saga and the subsequent story arc were added due to editor mandate. Apparently, Astro's willingness to work with the police and try to change the social order from within made him unpopular with the new generation of student radicals in the late '60s who believed that modern society was corrupt beyond all redemption, and called Astro Boy a hopelessly idealistic anachronism. Osamu Tezuka's editors at Shōnen Kobunsha magazine noticed this and ordered him to make the series Darker and Edgier and have him fight against the forces of law and order.

>>150279001
Cyborg 009 actually got axed in 1965 too because Ishinomori's Shonen King editor thought there were too many characters and it'd be confusing for kids. That's why Mythos has no real ending.
Toei wanting to adapt the manga for a pair of movies wound up being what saved it and got it restarted in Shonen Magazine for the Yomi arc. Then in that case, it was fan backlash that made it continue in another magazine (and many more to come) while Ishinomori's editor there wishes he hadn't bowed to the pressure.

>>150272921
Liberals

>>150272921
Conservatives

>>150279090
>>150279113
>amerimutts

Yukito Kishiro was forced to makes changes to Battle Angel Alita by his former publishing company or they would prohibit future releases. He did so only to learn they did similar changes without his consent. He demanded an apology from the company and undo the unnecessary changes. They refused so Yukito left for Kodansha

>>150279158
Damn that's unethical as hell

>>150251487 (OP)
Weasel sucked. He was a gary stu, while baboon was being shit on by everything.

>>150279158
What were the changes

Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo is yet another series that got hosed by execs due to complaints from the JPTA, the same group of asshats that tries to kill Shonen Jump in its infancy.

>>150274974
Not hateful, but it was the textbook definition of a fart cartoon.

>>150279283
>> It was around this time that his publisher's legal department approached him with censorship demands for the reprints, demanding he change a line using the word "crazy" as it "may offend people with incurable mental disorders." The suggested changes were "mad" or "angry" instead

>>150279285
>Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo is yet another series that got hosed by execs
what we got was the hosed-down version?
just how unhinged is the source material?

Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo is yet another series that got hosed by execs due to complaints from the JPTA, the same group of asshats that tries to kill Shonen Jump in its infancy.

Chiaki Konaka was pissed that the Dark Ocean episode of Digimon Adventure 02 wasn't an arc instead. He and other writers were going to break their contracts and leave Toei. Toei instead Konaka and the rights for Digimon Tamers in order to keep them

>>150279001
They were right

>>150279437
Unfortunately Bandai monkeypawed this charity by Ryo Akiyama from wonderswan games. Konaka retaliated by having Ryo get little screen time as possible. Also he wanted Juri's dad to a Yakuza member but Toei nixed that idea

>>150279311
I feel like I've heard about this word before and it is considered more severe than what the translated "crazy" implies.

>>150265148
Funny how the Johnny Bravo IP died after Partible returned.

>>150279437
>>150279537
>>>/a/

>>150279548
Don't need to tell you on how many executive dogs tried to piss on the Dragon Ball tree

>>150279437
Could you imagine American cartoon writers threatening to break a contract? They'd just kill them.

>>150279158
>>150279335
Nigga make your own thread on /a/

The Gundam franchise is so full of executive meddling that Tomino-san created the Ideon movie as a "fuck you". Still didn't stop the execs though.

>>150259482
Too bad a kid didn't see that and seatbelt themself to the hood of a car

trying to make Ami a cyborg, have the manga last only a year, make the Guardians were longer skirts, fighting the anime directors over changes
Naoko Takeuchi's war with executives is the stuff of legends.

>>150279942
>>150279796
Go away

Old British birds couldn't leave well enough alone:
https://www.zavvi.com/blog/film/how-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-were-almost-banned-in-the-uk/

>>150280056
TMHT doesn't roll off the tongue like TMNT

>> Screwed over by being too expensive, only "proper" is a Genesis game you to play via emulation, Early CN being dicks by taping over "new eepisodes" with kitten lapping up milk. Most of the cast is too old or at death's door for a continuity reboot

It hurts being a PoDW fan

>>150279942
Don't listen to that clown the /a/ stuff is fascinating. Really highlights how Producer faggotry is universal

>>150280740
The /a/ stuff belongs on /a/

>>150280787
Keep seething little janny

>/a/ out of nowhere
Famicom or one of his orbiters.

>>150280387
It still blows my mind that David Kirschner who created the show also worked on An American Tale and Chucky movies.

>>150281078
No

Post more bros, dont let it die. What about capeshit movies?

Really wished Capcom had waited until Perlmutter was out of office

>>150282119
Not /co/
Fuck off

>>150282119
The bitch underestimated the power of furries. Coco got 34'd just as easily as the original Tawna would've been.

Sonic's been a target of executive meddling in all incarnations. SatAm was screwed due to regime change and suffering from low ratings being unable to compete with MMPR (which aged like yak respectively). Don't need to tell you the clusterfuck the comics suffered from.

>>150266156

>only for wave 1 to flop in merchandise.

So the excs complains where all for nothing

>>150279001
>Don't think for a picosecond that /a/ is immune to executive asshattery either.
Oh I very much know it is, the Android/Cell saga got fucked HARD by that

>>150282726
*I know it's not
Fuck me

>>150282703
While Nintendo of America still paid attention to the Zelda episodes and signed off on aspects like Tomboy Princess Zelda, story editor Bob Forward noted the actual producers of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! were so focused on the main Super Mario animated and live-action segments that the Zelda creative team was left completely alone.
Ironic since Tetra would be created years later

>>150261395
That shit made the show unwatchable to me.

>>150282703
>> While Nintendo of America still paid attention to the Zelda episodes and signed off on aspects like Tomboy Princess Zelda, story editor Bob Forward noted the actual producers of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show! were so focused on the main Super Mario animated and live-action segments that the Zelda creative team was left completely alone.

Ironic since Tetra would be created years later

>>150281078
It's probably the same retard that spams Doremi crapola on other /co/ threads, just report and ignore it.

Holy fuck, I came back from work and I see /a/shit ruining the thread. What the fuck?

>>150282119
>>>/v/

>>150282881
I don't watch Doremi

>>150274570
>where the boss is almost routinely replaced every 3-5 years, and the new guy always has to shake up nearly everything so it can be "theirs!"
This too actually. It’s only that a majority of jobs are either not going on TV or are bullshit. Portfolio pricks suck and get in the way of getting good product made and out the door because everything is a means to an end for them.

>> DVD releases of the series feature the licensed songs from each episode replaced with stock tunes from the show's in-house incidental soundtrack, due to DiC being either unable or unwilling to reacquire the rights.

Which makes the original unedited Milli Vanilli episode from AoSMB3 even rarer.

>>150282936
Anime website.

>>150266156
This is one of the worst recent decisions to ever happen

Keith's whole arc got completely fucked

>>150270420
These are okay notes for a kids show. I wouldn't disagree with any of these if they came back.

>>150283061
You used the same "anime website" excuse in >>150283157 that the Doremispammer uses to justify flooding /co/ with horseshit.

>>150266156
Almost as bad as the series finale

>>150283234
I haven't been posting anything. I am >>150283157 btw.
The fact is this is an anime website and anime will at times come up, if you have a problem with that then leave.

>>150283256
>>>/a/
Get lost p/a/rasite

>>150266262
Mark Evanier knew G&F was hitting its swan song so and the rest of the crew went out swinging, taking pot shots at the execs.

>>150283234
You think there's some hive mind around here.

>>150255445
And he walked away poor and forgotten

>>150277909
It's nice that he kept low-selling war and westerns in publication, but if he hadn't severely mismanaged the superheroes, he'd still be around to publish those books.

>>150283389
You'd rather have a bastardized, swamp-assed adaptation of a series that would be lambasted by critics, most of them who never read the source material?

Yeah we all know what's been said about 2016 PPG

>>150283729
I thought that decision was made by the stupid people running the show themselves and not the execs

>>150283815
A mix of both

I recall reading that beast wars eventually took a "kill them all and let hasbro figure it out" philosophy since they didn't know if they were going to get renewed for another season which is why inferno basically got incinerated during the season finale but was just singed at the start of the new season.

>>150284090
>> The changing of the VAs was Cartoon Network's idea in order to "infuse new energy" into the reboot.
>> The Girls aren't allowed to punch/kick any monsters or villains onscreen, so anytime they do so, the impact is blocked by a Hit Flash to take their place. Apparently this is due to new standards at the network since the days of the original (the show still has a TV-Y7 rating like the original, although what's considered appropriate with this rating has changed since then).
>> It turns out that the transgender motif in the infamous "Horn, Sweet Horn" was never intended to be there in the first place according to the episode's lead writer, and the episode was simply marketed as such because the higher-ups read it, thought the subtext was there, and thus pushed the episode as such.
>> The producers stated they removed Miss Bellum because she was "not the message they wanted to spread at the time" (paraphrased).

>>150284186
What makes this frustrating is this vast amounts of hypocrisy 2016 contained

>>150251552
If anything, the fact that weasles and baboons don't interact in the wild gives context to why I Am and I R are so out of sync with each other. They're nothing a like and have likely never seen something like each other. Not to mention the difference in intelligence.

>>150284247
Dude it's just a play on "Pop Goes The Weasel".

>>150251635
Didio is literally the reason why DC can't sell anything except Batman these days.
He basically destroyed MULTIPLE popular franchises and characters and then he FAILED MISERABLY at pushing new characters (Jaime, Katehunter) and non-superhero comics (Jonah Hex, all those war comics, etc).

He imploded the Flash franchise to one character that nobody but 50 year old men wanted back and then had difficulties making said character interesting. Mind you before Didio took over, the Flash franchise had TWO books.

He kept destroying the Titans franchise despite it being actually pretty fucking popular outside of comics and dragging the more popular characters through the dirt time and time again because they make Batman old or some shit (which I don't get because aren't they embarrassed to only have 2-3 TT runs being recommendable??) to the point where the whole fucking franchise needs a soft reboot to undo the damage done to it. And he outright destroyed McKeever's reputation and will to work in the industry.

The JSA already supported two books for almost a decade during the first half of the Didio era (JSA + Classified & All Stars), but because of ageism the entire thing was imploded, the old guys were deaged, all the legacy characters erased /had their legacy wiped from them (you know Didio was SEETHING at Stargirl and Black Adam using legacy characters in addition to JSA being old), and were then replaced by Superman and Batman characters.

He couldn't keep the momentum of Johns GL going and the franchise collapsed back to 2 books within 2-3 years of Johns leaving and now it can barely support 2.

He reduced the JLI (except Booster and MAYBE Guy) to just jokes despite being the top 3 JL run of all time.

>>150284242
>"Yeah we don't want do any creepy sex stuff."
>Literally makes a DeviantArt episode.

I want more stories about how 80's writers weren't even allowed to show their heroic characters doing anything that could be seen as "violent" because they were terrified of kids imitating them and getting hurt somehow. Silverhawks had "shoulder lasers" because it was deemed less "dangerous" than wrist mounted ones. Not even actual guns, just a laser coming out of their wrist was seen as too much.

Looking back it's weird how this shit comes and goes. People think things are censored now but in the 80's it seemed way worse, then in the 90's you had cool shit like BtAS and sexual stuff like Harley and Ms.Bellum but now everything is back to being gay.

>>150284427
He-Man wasn't allowed to rip a tree and use it as a weapon
The animator or writer got a note saying "I'm sorry, He-Man cannot kill a tree"

>>150284461
Let's not even get started on Spider-Man TAS

>>150283304
No u
Anime website.

>>150284427
The Human Torch getting replaced by HERBIE because the suits thought little kids would light themselves on fire.

>>150284520
Urban legend
Johnny's rights got cartoons were handled by someone else

>>150270604
So how did this scene slide?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX-t1iCv5_U&pp=ygUac3BvbmdlYm9iIGkgbGlrZSBzcXVpZHdhcmQ%3D

>>150272921
It would reinforce harmful tropes against members of the LGBTQIA2P+ community so he had to live so he could get married to his new husband after the old one died.

>>150277909
Except Didio cripplied multiple popular franchises/characters/books that were helping get enough sales to prop up said war comics and western comics. Notice how after DCYou flopped, rebirth flopped, and sales for everything other than Batman floundered, DC basically stopped doing non-superhero comics. That is because just one of their franchises selling well isn't fucking good enough, and that's one reason why Didio was fired.

Was that Green Lantern fighter jet story true, or was it just hearsay?

>>150284538
I know, But my older brother did jump out of a window after seeing Superman.

>>150284502
>Spiderman in the 60's cartoon was allowed to punch people more than Spiderman in the 90's cartoon

>>150279548
It means mentally ill and is considered a slur that can't be said on t.v. along with other racial epithets.

>>150266156

It's very funny that multiple people who does thoese "what went wrong" videos on Voltron barely mention that aspect and always blame on the showrunners for being homophobic when their whole plan for the character was derailed

>>150267645
>>150267860
nta and not sure if you even care a day later, but from what I recall whenever she is asked about Elmyra among the voices she does she seems to enjoy doing the voice. And I can see it being. a fun role to play because it's such an energetic role, regardless of what the writing might've been like.
She's a 60 year old hippie redbone black chick, I don't think she cares much about what Alt.Toons.Animaniacs said about Elmyra

>>150282431
Come on, at least tell them about the Adventure adaptation.
>Sega demands that Archie make an adaptation of Sonic Adventure
>Provides them with jack shit for reources.
>Archie has to explain stuff like Sonic's new look and Amy's age up.
>Also Robotnik has been dead since Issue #50
>Spaz, being the Sonic fan that he is, imports the Japanese version, plays through it and either gives notes or tapes his playthrough and brings them to the office.
The adaptation as it is is nothing short of a miracle.
>>150282726
The story I heard was that the first two changes were prompted by Toriyama's former editor calling him up to laugh at him and the current editor only forced Toriyama to cut second form Cell's screentime short.

Tangled the Series was fucked by execs when season 1 didn't get the viewing numbers they wanted.. Merch was immediately pulled, the show was put on hiatus for almost a whole year, and season 3 (which they were already guaranteed) had some episodes cut from it

Big Hero 6 the series didn't get the viewing numbers execs wanted, so they ordered season 3 be turned from a series, 23-minute overarching narrative with a villain focus, to 11-minute gag-focused comedy. The villain they wanted to use was defeated in one episode and replaced by a squad of unpopular robot jobbers.

Infamously, then-CEO Jeffery Katzenberg attended a test screening of The Little Mermaid, saw some children apparently not having a good time, and made a split-second decision to cut Part of Your World from the movie. It took the entire animation department, directors, and Howard Ashman to convince him that was a dumbass decision.

>>150285466
>CEOs can just walk into your production office that you've been spending 22 hours a day in for months slaving away at your cartoon and just demand you and your team get rid of a huge chunk of it because they feel like it
Animation must be the worst business in the world to work in

>>150279001
And it was kino

>>150284427
>the 90's you had cool shit like BtAS and sexual stuff like Harley and Ms.Bellum but now everything is back to being gay.
To me it felt like the early 2010s were the last time it all felt normal, then the mid-2010s happened.

>>150284348
I recall JSA was popular, had a spinoff book, and there were mult8iple Flash and Impulse books when Didio replaced all of it with a Barry book for no other reason than he wanted to relive his own childhood.

Also Aquaman had a book, Green Lantern had 3, along with other GL adjacent characters like Atrocitus and Larfleeze had books too.

>>150284427
The worst era was that period of time from 75 or so until about 86 when no violence was allowed to be seen anywhere. Looney Tunes were edited to have the violence removed at the time too and it was horrible, also about 3 minutes long each.

it's why Superfriends only ever got to bear hug or lasso a bad guy. Nothing else was allowed.

>>150285717
I wish we could go back to the 2000s

>>150285466
There could be a thread about Katzenberg alone. The man was just a fucking awful idea machine.

>>150284514
read nigga read >>150283234

It's weird living in a era where there's 0 cartoons for boys.

>>150285466
>>150285895
Easily

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxUR19Kqekk&t=1s

>>150285924
It's just Teen Titans Go now and foreverial

>>150285924
its quite grim. and when you mention it you get nothing but constant finger wagging or "well there's OTHER media that annoying demographic can enjoy"
if i were a better artist, i wouldnt mind giving it a go at my own show, i have a few ideas even if overdone

>>150285895
like how he cancelled Me and My Shadow

>>150285924
Just make it about a guy with a sword battling monsters. It's so easy.

>>150285924
There's nothing made for boys now, they just say it's made for everyone and by everyone they mean girls.

>>150286002
I love that they animated this

>>150286080
>Looks at My Adventures with Superman.
This shit is just a Fabio novel.

>>150286063
You know it's no longer as easy as that anymore. You need to hire focus groups and fill quotas and there will be dozens of people hounding you about how such and such episode doesn't have the right amount of social commentary in it or whatever. A story about a guy with a sword fighting monsters is too simple to exist.

Also what happened to the new He-Man? That's the last cartoon I remember that was just guy with sword fighting monsters.

>>150270420
Pretty solid notes honestly

>>150270604
What would hillenburg think?

>>150282119
>However the marketing director of Universal Interactive was not happy with the voluptuous concept art and chastised Crash's co-creator, Jason Rubin, for creating a design that she felt was demeaning to women.
Tale as old as time; ugly women hating attractive women/female characters.

>>150270604
Í cant find the original post fuck

>>150286119
That was in my mind when I made the post. Now they're making a My Adventures with Green Lantern, and who does it star? Jessica Cruz.

>>150282119
Frumpy unfuckable women ruining games.

>>150272921
Fuj-oh wait they fucked up the series in a different way

>>150270420
That second one reminds me of that one bit from Courage in the Big Stinkin' City
>No, boxers!
>No, briefs!
>*Muriel wolf-whistles*

>>150266156
Shiro was the fan favorite though, and the only good character. They should have killed one of the comic relief ones.

>>150285911
Anime.
Website.

ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>150286002
https://collider.com/jeffrey-katzenberg-disney-renaissance-impact-influence-explained/

>The Little Mermaid, a project that Katzenberg had initially rejected, at one of his infamous “Gong Show” Pitch meetings where animators would pitch three ideas and if one of them was “gonged” would have to leave the room, for being too similar to Splash.
>“Part of the problem is Katzenberg’s taste.” Another executive said, “Jeffrey was involved on a micromanagement level in the movies.” This executive remembers a screening of Straight Talk, where he commented that he didn’t like James Woods’ tie. During the trial, Disney’s lawyer presented documentation that suggested that the live-action films, under Katzenberg, had lost a whopping $231 million for the company. Katzenberg claimed they were all profitable.

>>150285466
lol based on the goofy movie doc, katzenberg wanted goofy to have a natural voice

I can only think of two instances where stupid executive meddling worked out.
>WB wants a teen Batman cartoon. The DCAU balk at the idea, but it's either they do it or someone else will so they make Batman Beyond
>Disney execs like the song "Gitchee, Gitchee Goo" on Phineas and Ferb and request a song on every episode

>>150286080
The problem with animation for boys right now is that it's not economically feasible unless it's something aimed at adults. It's a tale as old as time that tween/teen boys will skip to watching adult media rather than engage with YA media. Streaming and smartphones have made this problem ten times worse because now any boy with a tablet or computer or phone can binge whatever show they want at any time. And on top of that, anime, indie animation/web series, and video games filled the gap for what American animation wasn't willing to give them (sex appeal, violence and blood, etc).

It's not surprising that the animation popular with tween/teen boys is either American stuff aimed at adults, or Japanese stuff aimed at teens and adults.

>be head of Toonami
>could invest in any anime you choose
>decide to make FLCL sequels that nobody asked for
>they flop
>keep making them
>flop again

>>150286498
I don't mind the idea of a FLCL sequel, the problem is that a FLCL sequel should be like what a sequel to Ferris Bueller should be (a story about breaking up the frustrations and mundanity of adult life with a fun adventure), but making a thematically fitting sequel to coming of age stories is considered impossible these days for whatever reason.

>>150286484
Yeah, I can bitch and moan but I know it's irreversible at this point.

>>150286534
FLCL does have some sequel potential, you just got to explore the universe as a whole rather than try to remake the first one or think the series is wacky for the sake of being wacky. It's a pretty basic new weird setting that had a lot of interesting aspects in the first series, but the "sequels" are the definition of pointless corporate slop.

>>150286498
FLCL worked mostly cause of the style, and they stripped it of its personality completely.

I want to shit on Zaslav for everything he's done to HBOMax but WB has had a 7 movie streak of 40 million dollar openers and has 600 million with movie profits this year which is the best WB has done since at least COVID

>>150286498
I hate every anime with that type of humor, so it's a win for me

>>150286498
>>150286534
>>150286555
>>150286556
you need another auteur for this shit that can match the same quality. People still love the original, so much so to the point of having reanimated collabs for it; you don't see that shit with the sequels, let alone fanart.

>>150254864
Some were, some were more reasonable, S&P demanding the removal of a mention of spin the bottle was excessive, hirsch adding a cereal called satan-o's with a pentagram and a goat head and genuinely expecting it to be approved by disney is one of the most idiotic things he could've done

>>150286681
Sometimes they do a horrible obviously going to be censored option in order to sneak what they really want through.

>>150286681
Hirsch compared Disney to working with a chimp with wiffle bat who keeps hitting every other second

>>150253334

Notice that he just said that he had heard that.

Compare that to what Christian Tremblay said:

>We have respect for Ted Turner, because of him, we got the show financed back in 1993, and i like the guy. The decision to stop the show was not his but more executives way below him

Now, Turner telling Congress the previous year that violence didn't really have a place on TV and his networks didn't feature it in their programming probably did result in merchandising delays and scheduling issues for the show but there's nothing that suggests that Ted had it out for the show personally.

It's more or less a situation where there's one exec whose name everybody knew and blamed as a result.

>>150286681
Hirsch compared Disney to working with a chimp with wiffle bat who keeps hitting you every other second until it gets what it wants

>>150286498
>tfw we'll never get that Adult Swim-made Shin-Chan movie

>>150283256
I'm ok with "at times will come up". The initial Astro Boy anecdote was fine, as a comparison point. The multiple further posts trying to hijack the thread are not.

>>150286498
They fell for their own hype hard after the crystal pepsi meme caught on.

>>150256693

Doesn't Means have health issues like heart problems that make it difficult to travel?

>>150270420
>>150286265
Speaking of Courage, he doesn't speak in later seasons because an executive thought he "talked too much".

>>150256132
>it was executive A, who left, and then executive B comes along and hates the show and wants it gone so they can replace it with a cartoon they are currently pitching.

This type of thinking apparently played a really big role in Age of Resistance being cancelled.

>>150255482
too trannys actually

>>150286292

They planned to kill Hunk and replace him with Axca but Dreamworks told them that "hey maybe killing one your POC characters isn't a good idea"

>>150282119
At least post the actual concept arts of her from the first game. Not the 2020 one.

>>150287469
Also here's how she looked in the final game.

>>150287469
>>150287479
Not /co/
Fuck off

>>150285895
Post some

>>150287457
I don't think killing Hunk would have been a great idea but this is indicative of the entire problem with the show, the creators had zero fucking backbone

>everybody saying Grim Adventures wasn't hateful

I liked the show well enough but it could absolutely become a hateful-ass cartoon, especially when Mandy would start pulling her "evil girl" shit with nobody who could stand in her path. I occasionally got tired of Mandy getting away with everything and wished she'd get her comeuppance more often. The show picked on Grim too much and Mandy not enough, I've always felt.

>>150286002

I wish that they would have included some of the dialogue that was recorded that way just to see what living in the universe where we got a George Geef movie would be like.

>>150255042
Fuck I can't even imagine trying to win that argument as a creator or show runner, because the execs requesting it would keep yelling about safety and protecting the children. I'm surprised that wasn't in the final product.

>>150270420
>last note
So the natives were originally brown? But the CN executives thought it would be “racist” so they turned them blue in a last-minute change. The island’s chief still had brown eyelids.

>>150286080
>>150286119
Ironically, Twilight and HP may have played a role in the switch to trying to make every IP appeal more to the female demographic. Anyone who remembers the Twi-Hards remembered they proved one distinct thing, predominantly female fandoms go about as crazy as any predominantly male one and can generate ridiculously sporadic hype.
Twilight especially was a case where girls in that fandom would make their boyfriends go see it and it was infamously "the romance movie where you don't get laid", yet they'd keep managing, keep pushing.

>>150288229
There was always 'female oriented literature', but the real change came for two reasons:
1. A big push for "female voices" in literature by publishers. It's hard now for any male writers to break into the industry at all. You're either a woman, a "woman", or you self publish and don't make any money. This of course means the primary audience is going to be women, because women writers write for women.
2. Men don't read much anymore. Part of this is due to the above, but men have vidya and anime and a lot of other things to do with their time. Women do what they've always done, read and watch TV.

>>150251487 (OP)
Its always been my head canon that Lazzo appeared to be a normal affable guy along with his coworkers but when he got a taste of power, he immedietly became a hard nose, money grubbing exec. And I do mean immedietly. Like one scene you see him sitting with his buddies in a meeting looking normal, the focus shifts to someone else stating the success of Space Ghost is going to gi e them better standing in the company, the. We shift back to Lazzo who is now a suit wearng yuppie screaming at his co workers to get back to work.

>>150257386
That was better than I had any reason to expect

>>150288238
I don't mean in terms of just literature. Women had always been at least a part of the comics and sci-fi audience, but Twilight and HP broke ground on showing how lucrative female fandoms could be.
https://www.uchic.com/top-7-worst-twilight-product-tie-ins/
You had basically every piece of merchandise the average male oriented IP had but then there was stuff like scented candles, body glitter, jewelry, makeup.
Twilight basically proved a lucrative hack to cultivating a female audience. Women were already much bigger consumers than men and getting that audience meant you could slap the license on whatever.
I'm not saying this is why it happened but I'm betting this is part of why marketing departments went in on saying "yes, get women invested in these typically male marketed IPs."
It made the risk much more worth it.

>>150287216
He wasn't wrong.

>>150288359
Strongly disagree. Women were always avid readers, in fact a lot of the "monster fucking" stuff you see now that's talked about are just evolutions of the old bodice ripper novels that were exclusively for women.

>>150288362
No, it made Courage generic.

Who here remembers Titmouse Anon and the incident

>>150288560
Post it.

>>150287457
I think Dreamworks execs also didn't like that there'd be too many girls on the team.
I know with Shiro, when outright killing him off got vetoed, the creators then just wanted to have him benched for several seasons and missing so Keith could lead, but that wasn't good either so we got the Kuron stuff in the end.
The last production season has clear meddling too but not in the way the Team Purple Lion tinhats believe there's a "secret Purple Paladin Lotor" storyline.

>>150284912
It also doesn't help some clout-chasing summer intern named Aralcle liked to bait anons here and on Tumblr that JDS was totally rooting for Sheith to become canon, and initially siding with him and LM when she helped Sean Z. of GeekDad pen clickbait articles.
Then, she decided to switch up and help feed Sean Z. false, inflammatory info that Dreamworks had diversity consultants that the creators ignored and they intentionally killed Adam to be homophobic. VLD fans ate it all up as did She-ra ones, but then when they got caught lying about She-ra being queerbait Sean Z. blocked people and never retracted it. He did get ousted by GeekDad but they didn't take down his other lies, and Aralcle got away with all she wrought.

>>150284186
>The Girls aren't allowed to punch/kick any monsters or villains onscreen
imagine trying to pitch a PPG reboot and the tell you no punching bad guys.
like trying to make a spiderman cartoon but you can't show webs or sticking to walls

>>150269901
Yea Bat Embargo was dumb, but The Batman 04 is a poor example of it.
First of all, The Batman did use Ra's as a major villian in it's first half.
And second, the show runners deliberately were using lesser known characters.
The real shame in The Batman not getting more seasons. The idea it was building up to was a version of Batman and the Outsider's. Babs becoming a Kerry Kelly looking Robin would have been epic, and Kitana as a fem-Nightwing could have bled back into comics if this were a better timeline.

>>150284186
>>150289058
>no one can say "kill", "die", or even "blood"
>despite the fact that radioactive spider-blood is a lyric
>morbius has to suck peoples plasma out using suckers on his palm
>spider-man not allowed to bother pigeons when landing on rooftops
>no swords, so blade has a lightsaber instead of any kind of blade
the one restriction they actually liked was no punching, since they admitted that the show was more fun when spider-man couldnt just knock people out

>>150289092
>spider-man not allowed to bother pigeons when landing on rooftops
What kind of hyper autist thinks of this? Is this what happens when you're rich?

Don fucking Oriolo. This guy sat on Felix for decades

>>150289086
you're mixing The Batman and Beware The Batman, anon. Different cartoons.

>>150289230
technically still does, iirc- Dreamworks owns Felix but Oriolo still gets a say in his use

>>150256693
That's something Shake would do

>>150260162
Poor dog

>>150277281
>>150272226
>>150271260
>>150271232
>>150251592
im not kidding when i say that reading amelia rules genuinely made me less suicidal

>>150288543
Anon, I'm not disagreeing with that part, I'm saying the Twilight and Harry Potter stuff brought it to a much more modern fandom context

>>150251680
>the Moral Orel mess
It's fucking baffling to me to this day.

>season finale is really dark and depressing
>"I NEED MORE LIKE THAT"
>they make a season full of dark and depressing shit
>"TOO DARK, CANCELLED"

I don't think we even know if that movie is happening or not.

>>150287469
>>150287479
>>>/v/
get over there

>>150286307
no excuses, kid

>>150287457

Hunk was at least funny say what you want about the Earth season but my favorite storyline from that season was him having a two-parter where you can see him being scared about his family being captured by the Garla

>>150286626
Never forget what he did to a lot of projects, including Coyote v. Acme (which is thankfully and finally getting a release as Ketchup picked it up for release next year)

>>150251487 (OP)
I actually like the change to Robot Jones. The child voice just worked and humanized him more.

>>150286313
this isn't 2015, 2016 or 2017 anymore you spazz

This literally put the final nails in George O'Hanlon and Mel Blanc's coffins. They tried to convince Universal to keep Janet Waldo as Judy but nope let's replace her with Tiffany (already yesterday's news by 1990 and would be replaced by Mariah Carey the next year).

>>150290322
This killed the Jetsons IP too.

>>150257119
I wish they would make more hatefull fart cartoons.

>>150290371
Look forward to my upcoming indie cartoon; Fart Klan. You won't believe how Hateful and Fartful we get.

>>150289888
Exactly. Lazzo wanted them to go darker, then decided oops too dark, so the axe fell.

>>150289230
He owns Poindexter too as his personal Gary Stu, and meddled with the Twisted Tales of Felix including getting pissed when they made Rock Bottom and The Professor a flamboyant couple and had lines about them redubbed to be "The Doctor" and '"Lead Fanny".
Had the show not been cancelled, he boasted he would've reintroduced the real duo in season 3.

Canadian producer of Cinar Ronald Weinberg getting caught stealing 120 million and going to jail for nine years

>>150290419
This sounds actually pretty good compared to 99% of new pitches. Bonus points if the protagonist is male.