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Anonymous No.151234368 [Report] >>151234413 >>151234707 >>151234814 >>151235098 >>151235331 >>151235475 >>151236016 >>151236068 >>151236085 >>151236136 >>151236196 >>151236543 >>151236596 >>151237125 >>151238547 >>151240449 >>151240801 >>151241164 >>151241227 >>151241741
Based Ben has done it again!
Anonymous No.151234413 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
>lets legal adults stay on their parents' health insurance for an extra 8 years
>"we solved the healthcare crisis"
Anonymous No.151234468 [Report] >>151234545
Only I should get free stuff.
Anonymous No.151234545 [Report] >>151239939
>>151234468
I'm open to taxing brown people more to give free stuff to Whites.
Anonymous No.151234669 [Report] >>151236937
*poops on your thread*
Anonymous No.151234707 [Report] >>151234725 >>151240449
>>151234368 (OP)
I hate capitalism so fucking much. It is the only reason why we don't have health care.
Anonymous No.151234725 [Report] >>151236544 >>151241727
>>151234707
I don't think communists have very good healthcare.
Anonymous No.151234814 [Report] >>151235084
>>151234368 (OP)
Powerscale him
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/a9s16c/respect_ben_garrisons_donald_trump/
Anonymous No.151235084 [Report]
>>151234814
How old is that one?
Anonymous No.151235098 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
Rare pro-Obama Ben?
Anonymous No.151235160 [Report] >>151235173 >>151240588
As an outsider, it fascinates me how Americans defend their representatives fucking them over this much. It's like a cult.
Anonymous No.151235173 [Report] >>151235529
>>151235160
This is done by design, you see
Anonymous No.151235331 [Report] >>151235351 >>151235821 >>151239771 >>151240449 >>151241340
>>151234368 (OP)
Obamacare sucked from the beginning. You Zoomers weren't there, but I was. We all wanted single payer and we got shit instead.
Anonymous No.151235351 [Report] >>151235367 >>151235372 >>151236111 >>151241340
>>151235331
What did you think of the Affordable Healthcare Act?
Anonymous No.151235367 [Report] >>151235793
>>151235351
Making buying insurance mandatory increased the cost of insurance.
So it's great for insurance companies and sucks for everyone else.
Anonymous No.151235372 [Report] >>151235501 >>151235532 >>151235793
>>151235351
I wanted there to at least be a public option and I was mad as fuck when it got taken out. I was even madder when I learned that Obama himself was responsible for its removal. It basically caused me to abandon the Democratic Party since I knew from then on that they were frauds who could never be trusted. I'd already started to think that in 2009 when they bailed out all the banks, but the failure of the public option cemented it.

They're STILL frauds, all these years later. Leopards don't change their spots. Even the new ones are frauds. AOC's a fraud, too, you can tell if you really pay attention to her.
Anonymous No.151235475 [Report] >>151235511
>>151234368 (OP)
>free health care for illegals
That's not the case, the demand is to remove payment for illegals which is already there. It's there because hospitals can't turn away patients, even if they aren't citizens. That policy is a separate issue and it's nowhere in the conversation. The funding aspect is there because as long as hospitals need to service anyone, them getting paid for doing what they are required to do by law prevents them from raising rates and closing down as they need to account for losing money following the law. Spinning this only obfuscates the real issue, pure political theater.
Anonymous No.151235501 [Report] >>151235530
>>151235372
Right, that's why democrats should be the baseline, they're pretty much republicans but with less zionism and a better FTC. Having a president that stood with a striking union was cool. Having zero billionaires on the presidential cabinet as opposed to the 13 we have now was great.
Anonymous No.151235511 [Report] >>151235547
>>151235475
nah, democrats openly all want White people to pay for free shit for illegal foreign criminal shitskins
Anonymous No.151235529 [Report]
>>151235173
Nah you're just fucking retarded and that's all there is to it.
Anonymous No.151235530 [Report] >>151235629
>>151235501
your entire platform is just the kalergi plan, and the Biden regime's entire cabinet was jewish
Anonymous No.151235532 [Report]
>>151235372
>I'd already started to think that in 2009 when they bailed out all the banks
This was Dubya not Obungo. It seems that americans can't into dates, because a lot of people keep blaming the zombie of Biden for the 2020 COVID lockdowns.
Anonymous No.151235547 [Report] >>151236961
>>151235511
You're not even worth talking to
There's a reason why everyone is leaving your party
Anonymous No.151235568 [Report] >>151235606 >>151235639
>this thread isn't going how I want
>better start spamming nonsense
Wrap it up folks
Anonymous No.151235606 [Report] >>151235852
>>151235568
Fucking hell lmao
Does he just make these threads to spam his folder every time?
Anonymous No.151235629 [Report] >>151235672 >>151235688
>>151235530
Why would you vote for Trump if you were concerned with jews? Steve Bannon said the greatest threat to Israel isn't Hamas, it's the American liberal. Trump called Biden Hamas and said voting for Kamala would destroy Israel. Kamala was already being protested by anti-zionists, her presidency would come with more pressure on Israel and less Ted Cruz saying his entire reason for supporting Israel with Texas money is biblical.
Anonymous No.151235639 [Report] >>151235672
>>151235568
>getting btfo by the same jpeg 29 times
grim
Anonymous No.151235672 [Report]
>>151235639
>20251110_074641
>posting an image that he just saved yesterday so nobody could look it up
Hehe

>>151235629
OP is the Trump shill assigned to /co/
None of his views make sense, but he's here to spam images
Anonymous No.151235688 [Report] >>151235783 >>151236036 >>151240365 >>151241746
>>151235629
well you see I'm White, so when your entire platform is nothing but "kill all Whites by any means necessary", I don't want to vote for that
If your point is that Republicans should be more like nazis, then I agree
Anonymous No.151235783 [Report] >>151235800
>>151235688
Lol the leftist are winning

Post harder!!
Anonymous No.151235793 [Report] >>151235875
>>151235367
>Making buying insurance mandatory increased the cost of insurance.
Exactly the opposite, friend. When it's not mandatory (like it now is, de facto, because the penalty fee is $0), healthy people leave the pool, meaning prices go up because the only people with insurance are those who expect to use it a lot.

>>151235372
A public option was never going to get enough votes. A perfect plan that's never adopted is shit. I say that as somebody who can see no good reason to want our current insurance system over a public option. It's already shit, too expensive, and lacks any real customer choice because the plans are picked by employers who may not even use the plan themselves.
Anonymous No.151235800 [Report] >>151235843
>>151235783
Oops forgot my image lol
Anonymous No.151235821 [Report]
>>151235331
If we got single payer, then the Democrats would be fighting for legalized assisted suicide because single payer cost too much and we gotta kill all the sick children.
Anonymous No.151235843 [Report] >>151235871
>>151235800
>getting btfo by the same jpeg 9 times
grim
Anonymous No.151235852 [Report] >>151236688
>>151235606
Yeah but then we'll have a lefty join in and start counter spamming and that's how stonetoss threads get 600 posts
Anonymous No.151235871 [Report] >>151235906
>>151235843
>everyone knows he's mentally retarded
>he's not afraid of being called mentally retarded

>recoils on fear when someone notices his delusional spam
Hmmmm
Anonymous No.151235875 [Report]
>>151235793
Well obviously that isn't true, because insurance costs exploded after the Affordable Care Act was installed.
Anonymous No.151235906 [Report] >>151235957
>>151235871
>getting btfo by the same jpeg 25 times
grim
Anonymous No.151235957 [Report] >>151236038
>>151235906
Embarrassing that you consider this an achievement lol

During a work day, no less.
Anonymous No.151235977 [Report] >>151236060
You already had a shitty 500+ post image dump thread. Still on the clock? If you're doing it for free that's even worse.

Reminder there are shilling campaigns that sneak into spaces where they think people have their guard down. The tactics are usually the same every time: overwhelm with a flood of garbage (usually cropped screencaps) to anger and disorient before anyone has a chance to notice the manipulation.
Anonymous No.151236016 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
Fuckin magnets how do they work?

>Trump doesn't know.
Anonymous No.151236036 [Report]
>>151235688
NOT REAL.
Anonymous No.151236038 [Report] >>151236060
>>151235957
>starts editing out the total number of times he's been btfo by the same jpeg
>still gets btfo by the same jpeg 12+ times
grim
Anonymous No.151236048 [Report]
Take it to >>>/pol/ niggers
Anonymous No.151236060 [Report] >>151236081
>>151235977
He does it for free and lives with his parents

>>151236038
Lol get a real job
Anonymous No.151236068 [Report] >>151236143
>>151234368 (OP)
>some retard from my country went illegally to the US
>did fent and had gay sex in jail
>ICE finally caught him and sent him back
>he died shortly after coming back
>family claims he died because he didn't have free healthcare in the US and are suing them for like 100 million USD

I really hope he suffered and his family gets nothing, parasites should be eliminated.
Anonymous No.151236081 [Report] >>151236688
>>151236060
Notice how quickly OP gets angry when you start noticing things?

Idk I just think that's funny
Anonymous No.151236085 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
>Based Ben
Fuck you and fuck him, hillbilly.
Anonymous No.151236111 [Report]
>>151235351
The joke was that they are the same thing. Thanks for proving your retardation.
Anonymous No.151236136 [Report] >>151236170
>>151234368 (OP)
Schumer is a POS & needs to be removed along with his other Israel-First AIPAC cocksuckers out
Anonymous No.151236143 [Report]
>>151236068
based
Anonymous No.151236165 [Report]
Americans are out of their fucking minds. Stop drinking mercury and huffing lead-based paint.
Anonymous No.151236170 [Report] >>151236269
>>151236136
You do know supporting country is not the same thing as that country over our country and no the existence of call Israel lobbying groups is not Israel first Palestine has plenty of pro lobbying groups for it. Also Donald Trump accepted a jet from a country who gives money to Hamas.
Anonymous No.151236196 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
Anonymous No.151236269 [Report]
>>151236170
this poster is a mentally retarded jewish pedophile btw
Anonymous No.151236400 [Report] >>151236473 >>151236517
Imagine being so mentally ill that you recognize other 4chan posters that post exclusively within off-topic /pol/ threads like they're old buddies
Anonymous No.151236473 [Report] >>151236485
>>151236400
>look guys here's another screenshot of an image hash on the archive
Anonymous No.151236485 [Report] >>151236517
>>151236473
>image hash
Nope. When you search by filename, you can be sure it's the same person posting the same thing hundreds of times
What's wrong? Don't like being noticed? Why's that?
Anonymous No.151236517 [Report] >>151236538
>>151236400
>>151236485
Everyone already knows who he is, but nobody can really do anything about it when he's a phoneposter, so he can evade his ban after a two minute waiting period
Anonymous No.151236532 [Report]
/pol/tard raid and spam threads are cancer and against >>>/global/rules/3 >>>/global/rules/4 >>>/global/rules/6 >>>/global/rules/10 and >>>/co/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhuman troglodytes like him, who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=151234368
Anonymous No.151236538 [Report]
>>151236517
Maybe he should be punished by constantly uploading an image he knows it's the last minute and involving and is a Lie by having that image be banned from being uploaded on 4chan .
Anonymous No.151236543 [Report] >>151238227
>>151234368 (OP)
I don't get it.
Anonymous No.151236544 [Report] >>151236571 >>151239314 >>151240449
>>151234725
the healthcare you pay for don't even cover you
LOL
LMAO EVEN
Anonymous No.151236571 [Report] >>151236589 >>151236860
>>151236544
>the healthcare you pay for don't even cover you
thanks obama
Anonymous No.151236589 [Report] >>151236640
>>151236571
Why are you blaming Obama when you don't use his Healthcare because Trump took it away saying I will have a better one in a few weeks and hasn't done so in his second presidency yet also Obama was trying to get American Health Care More in line with the rest of the first world but the Republicans wanted to protect the companies from consequences of that as much as they could.
Anonymous No.151236596 [Report] >>151236625
>>151234368 (OP)
>claim dems want "free healthcare for illegals"
>it's not true
>refuse to negotiate on the budget at all
>finally get some dems to cave
>claim to have successfully created a bill without healthcare for illegals
genius play. a pretend problem with a pretend solution. now let's give another trillion dollars to israel
Anonymous No.151236625 [Report] >>151236651
>>151236596
you're a decade too late to try doing this

https://youtu.be/aMSmoNOZJ9Y?si=JAjVWYf0j0b3eu3K
Anonymous No.151236640 [Report] >>151236755 >>151238055
>>151236589
Obamacare is a free handout to insurance companies that raised prices on everyone and doesn't actually cover shit
Anonymous No.151236651 [Report] >>151236723
>>151236625
that's great. where was that in their budget proposal
Anonymous No.151236688 [Report]
>>151236081
>>151235852
I like how if I post a mildly political opinion in a thread I get a day vacation but these """people"""" from /pol/ who just spam the same rightwing and leftwing memes in obvious bait threads are allowed to fester for days on /co/ until the threads hit their bump limit. I have to assume they are friends with the Mods or maybe it's just the mods themselves who are bored and trying to stir up shit.
Anonymous No.151236705 [Report]
Yippie!!! /co/!!! It's just like /pol/ but you get to argue about politics with Skyler Page and Sqrlyjak
Anonymous No.151236723 [Report]
>>151236651
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/WFTCA-Illegal-Immigrant-Healthcare-Memo-FINAL.pdf
Anonymous No.151236755 [Report] >>151240621
>>151236640
So capitalism is the problem.
Anonymous No.151236800 [Report] >>151238767
When?
Anonymous No.151236860 [Report]
>>151236571
Heavy metaphysical Evangelion shit
Anonymous No.151236937 [Report]
>>151234669
Still desperately posting photoshops huh?
Anonymous No.151236961 [Report]
>>151235547
>Milquetoast faggot leaves
No one cares, nigger.
Anonymous No.151237125 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
Why is Obamba talking like Trump?
Anonymous No.151238055 [Report] >>151238099
>>151236640
Yes Americans should know by now that trying to get the fed to pay for things doesn't make it cheaper, it just means they raise prices even more and if you aren't getting someone else to pay for it then you're even more uber fucked. Like with college tuition.

Enjoy your higher taxes to pay for health insurance and college to get even more expensive you suckers.
Anonymous No.151238099 [Report] >>151238177
>>151238055
You could take away those ridiculous tax breaks for the billionaires who already had an unfair amount of not having to pay their fair amount of taxes in order to give Health Care to the basic common people that Donald Trump took away from them back.
Anonymous No.151238177 [Report] >>151238212 >>151238271
>>151238099
>Trump gives tax breaks to EVERYONE
>lower taxes is like one of the few things in politics basically everyone wants
>desperately ignore that most average Americans are getting tax breaks and just harp on and on about "tax breaks for billionaires"
SURE YOU ARE PERSONALLY BETTER OFF AND HAVE MORE MONEY BUT RICH PEOPLE ALSO HAVE MORE MONEY SO THIS IS BAD ACTUALLY.
Anonymous No.151238202 [Report]
Imagine being an Amerimutt with a sense of nuance and a tolerance for other opinions. It must be incredibly isolating, like being a brownoid with a three digit IQ.
Anonymous No.151238212 [Report] >>151238298
>>151238177
>>Trump gives tax breaks to EVERYONE
Do you have a sauce?
Anonymous No.151238227 [Report]
>>151236543
Trump makes Ben Garrison hard, so he draws images like this portraying Trump with a chiseled jaw, huge muscles, and 40 years younger.
Anonymous No.151238271 [Report] >>151238298
>>151238177
Lol you're such a desperate little shill
Anonymous No.151238298 [Report] >>151238867
>>151238212
Trump did this in his previous term. There are tons of sources and if you aren't a NEET or underaged zoomer you could see the results in your own taxes.

He didn't just lower taxes for billionares, he lowered taxes on every tax bracket. This is just objective fact.

>>151238271
Go ahead and tell me where I'm wrong faggot.
Anonymous No.151238547 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
>Schumer portrayed as red faced and screaming as though hes spoken above a mumble in 20 years
Garrison's fucking washed
Anonymous No.151238767 [Report]
>>151236800
They detain both of people in a fight until they figure out what happened.
Seems like a whole lot of nothing that this guy is crying about.
Anonymous No.151238867 [Report] >>151239263
>>151238298
>He didn't just lower taxes for billionares, he lowered taxes on every tax bracket. This is just objective fact.
And that's bad. Taxes should go up for billionaires.
Anonymous No.151239263 [Report] >>151239452 >>151239500 >>151239933
>>151238867
No, polticians should have less money.
Anonymous No.151239314 [Report]
>>151236544
The healthcare you pay half your paycheck to via taxation doesn't cover you either unless you think getting scheduled for surgery 5 years after you need it is coverage. If free healthcare worked there wouldn't still be private healthcare services in countries that provide it.
Anonymous No.151239452 [Report] >>151239500 >>151239846
>>151239263
I think billionaires should have less money.
Anonymous No.151239500 [Report]
>>151239263
>>151239452
Why not both?
Anonymous No.151239771 [Report]
>>151235331
Anonymous No.151239846 [Report]
>>151239452
I think you should never have money
Anonymous No.151239933 [Report] >>151240221
>>151239263
They would have much less money to control government with if they were taxed more. Campaign finance reform is a great idea too, but the more money controlled by fewer people means fewer people have the power to influence and control government.
Anonymous No.151239939 [Report]
>>151234545
Well, do I have great news for you!
Anonymous No.151239950 [Report]
Thanks Obama
Anonymous No.151239990 [Report]
Comics and cartoons…?
Anonymous No.151240221 [Report]
>>151239933
Ok, how about we tax rich leftist jews more and spend the money on radical White nationalist projects
Anonymous No.151240365 [Report]
>>151235688
Good goy.
Anonymous No.151240449 [Report] >>151240468 >>151240676 >>151240843 >>151240845
>>151234368 (OP)
>>151234707
>>151235331
>>151236544
unironically why *shouldn't* you have to work to stay alive?

Welfare is conceptually evil and shouldn't exist, every country that has welfare falls into ruin with an unmotivated population that also becomes uncharitable and more selfish since they are no longer forced to be helpful to people around them and can just be kept alive all on their own without any effort.
Society should be where people are forced to have to keep themselves alive and help others and a society in which people sink or swim and the vagrants are rightfully just left to die like it used to be is noble and means morality becomes a voluntary - and necessary choice - that people willingly opt-into rather than being enforced top-down by a beurocratic behemoth making it where people don't even need to think about being actively morally good on their own

many of society's modern ills are caused by the cultural fabric of society being amoral by virtue of the fact that welfare exists

>he who does not work, neither shall he eat
Anonymous No.151240468 [Report] >>151240947
>>151240449
America had welfare during its golden age, the 50s.
Anonymous No.151240588 [Report]
>>151235160
The vast majority of representatives worldwide are fucking over the constituents in some way. The people that get into politics rarely do so for the right reasons.
Anonymous No.151240621 [Report] >>151240875 >>151240940
>>151236755
Crony capitalism is, yes. Obamacare essentially broke the imperfect healthcare system. As someone that actually remembers insurance before Obamacare, I'd gladly go back to that.
Anonymous No.151240676 [Report] >>151240906
>>151240449
Welfare is only bad when it's abused by foreign parasites.
Anonymous No.151240801 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
im not illegal and my healthcare is going away
Anonymous No.151240843 [Report] >>151240906
>>151240449
Because the hardest workers eat the most, am I right?
Anonymous No.151240845 [Report] >>151240906
>>151240449
People DO work. But wages are stagnant and cost of living is rising.
Anonymous No.151240847 [Report]
I don't know why the Kalergi Plan post was deleted. It wasn't any worse of a post than the rest of the garbage in this thread. It's embarrassing that this thread hasn't been deleted yet.
Anonymous No.151240875 [Report] >>151240913
>>151240621
I do remember health insurance before Obamacare. I had to work for a big company in order for me to have one. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to have one.
Anonymous No.151240906 [Report] >>151240929 >>151240960
>>151240843
>>151240845
if welfare didn't exist (therefore motivating illegals and immigrants to flood to the country to get said welfare) then there would be no cost of living and there would be significantly higher wages. If welfare didn't exist then obviously the government wouldn't be spending money on it or taxing people for it, or paying for all the immigrants coming to get it.
>>151240676
if there was no welfare, there would be no foreign parasites as they would have no incentive to be there
Anonymous No.151240913 [Report] >>151240935 >>151240969
>>151240875
>American health insurance was fine for the average american before it was forced to provide free healthcare for the unemployed and illegals which caused the whole thing to balloon in cost
an excellent endorsement for the pre-Obamacare healthcare system.
Anonymous No.151240929 [Report]
>>151240906
The government's not the one with the money
Anonymous No.151240935 [Report] >>151241147
>>151240913
Interesting, because that's never been the case.

Are you talking about hospital having to save everyone that comes to them? Or are you just talking shit?
Anonymous No.151240940 [Report] >>151241147
>>151240621
So you want people being denied health insurance for pre-existing conditions that you don’t know about so that they can retroactively deny you coverage. Lifetime and yearly caps. Kids not being able to stay on their parents plan as long as they can now. Tens of millions not being able to get coverage. Etc.
Anonymous No.151240947 [Report] >>151240972
>>151240468
the 50s being like that is what inevitably led to the way things are now. The 50s was only 'the golden age' in the sense that that one decade was a lull in the decline due to a brief post-war economic bubble - but it was also when the decline and subversion began as seen by the fact that it was immediately followed by the 60s and the 50s was the era when the incline of immigration began - because of the welfare being there and America being seen as the goldilocks zone to go to to get a guaranteed better life. The real golden age of America was pre-world war 1/2 during the early days of the country - which is to say that there has never truly been a utopian golden era in the country's history.
Anonymous No.151240960 [Report] >>151240981
>>151240906
It’s absolutely hilarious you think the US provides such easy to get welfare that everyone is rushing in to get it
Anonymous No.151240969 [Report]
>>151240913
Oh no. It's retarded.
Anonymous No.151240972 [Report] >>151240999
>>151240947
The fuck are you talking about? Pre-world war was the age of Giants corps monopolising everything and where workers lived in the company made city where they could spend their company money at the company store.
Anonymous No.151240981 [Report] >>151240994
>>151240960
>It’s absolutely hilarious you think
it's what the people coming to the US think
and what you don't understand about such people is that, because they are not like you and come from relatively even worse countries, they are perfectly fine with living off said welfare that you think 'isn't that good'
Anonymous No.151240994 [Report] >>151241012
>>151240981
>Source: I made it up
Anonymous No.151240999 [Report] >>151241048 >>151241186
>>151240972
and yet the people back then were still happier than people now and there was massively less crime, division, social unrest and chaos and the people were far less atomized and selfish. The entire moral fabric and culture of the country was better, despite how shitty you might think everything else was.
Anonymous No.151241012 [Report] >>151241027 >>151241198
>>151240994
you have to be really wilfully ignorant to not know that this is how immigrants view the US
otherwise how do you even explain why they are all coming to the country in such numbers? what is even the motivating factor?
Anonymous No.151241027 [Report]
>>151241012
They come to fuck your mom.
Anonymous No.151241048 [Report] >>151241071 >>151241192
>>151240999
Now we know your retarded. Crime has been going down for ages since then. How about you get off trumps dick for a few hours and look up real stats for a change you fucking tranny faggot.
Anonymous No.151241071 [Report]
>>151241048
No point debating with schizos. They don't even counter your argument, they just feed on attention and spilling whatever shit they can put together into a sentence.
Anonymous No.151241147 [Report] >>151241173 >>151241230
>>151240935
>Are you talking about hospital having to save everyone that comes to them?
That was always the case, only now the emergency room costs have raised to an absurd degree

>>151240940
I don't think we should have taken a sledgehammer to the healthcare system just to help out those with pre-existing conditions and illegals, no
Anonymous No.151241164 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
kneel
Anonymous No.151241173 [Report] >>151241190
>>151241147
>I don't think we should have taken a sledgehammer to the healthcare system just to help out those with pre-existing conditions

You say that, until you comes with something that your insurance can then claim it was pre-existing. I remember those days before Obamacare.
Anonymous No.151241186 [Report] >>151241263
>>151240999
>people back then were still happier than people now
People were plenty miserable during the depression era
>there was massively less crime
There absolutely was not. Corruption was rampant. Meanwhile today we are seeing several decades long and continuing trend in decline of crime

>division, social unrest and chaos
You mean things that directly lead to WW2?
>and the people were far less atomized
This is actually true because you were forced to rely on community for most things
>and selfish.
And we’re back to being stupid again
>The entire moral fabric and culture of the country was better
You had way more repression, hypocrisy, gatekeeping, stigmatisation, so that’s a no
Anonymous No.151241190 [Report] >>151241276
>>151241173
And it was still a better system than what we got with Obamacare. The entire point of the damn thing was to drive down costs and it quite literally had the opposite effect.
Anonymous No.151241192 [Report] >>151241292
>>151241048
>overall crime has been going down (if you just ignore that the population has massively increased at the same time so that while technically there is 'less' crime ratio-wise to the size of the population, there is still more crime actually happening in 2025 than in previous centuries)
lol
should've known this kind of argument was coming as a response
>yeah sure buddy when you live in big cities you can get mugged when walking down the street and you can see the degradation, graffiti, trash and homelessness and drug addiction all around you but don't worry things are totally better now because of muh technology and the way we interpret these statistics
Anonymous No.151241198 [Report] >>151241231 >>151241312
>>151241012
Because you bomb their countries, overthrow their governments, destabilise their societies. They’re fleeing to America because of the economy and promise of what the country is meant to represent.
Anonymous No.151241227 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
Where is sexy, jacked Trump? I can't jerk off to this!
Anonymous No.151241230 [Report]
>>151241147
So when your parents or kids has a heart condition or genetic defect that wasn’t noticed before and thus suddenly can’t get treatment for it because insurers can say LOL THANKS FOR ALL YOUR MONEY YOU AIN’T GETTING SHIT due to an undiagnosed pre-existing condition you feel happy about it like a psychopath and salute the flag?
Anonymous No.151241231 [Report]
>>151241198
>They’re fleeing to America because of gibs and welfare
Fixed
Anonymous No.151241263 [Report] >>151241336
>>151241186
>People were plenty miserable during the depression era
I wasn't just talking about the depression era but even then there was less crime and suicide and people were still more charitable/hospitable to each other on a regular basis and got on with working and having some idea of social duty and ambition whereas nowadays the miserbale people just waste away on drugs and meds in pure despair
>Meanwhile today we are seeing several decades long and continuing trend in decline of crime
relative to the size of the population

>You mean things that directly lead to WW2?
World War 2 was an inevitable consequence of World War 1 and its immediate aftermath due to the way certain countries like Germany were treated and policy decisions taken, the idea that it just sprang out of some inexplicable chaos and lawlessness and was just caused by people that were just evil for no reason is so wrong and ahistorical

>You had way more repression, hypocrisy, gatekeeping, stigmatisation
and without these things society has collapsed into even worse chaos in different ways. I reject your premise that people having social obligations and rules and a sense of shame is inherently wrong by default and that liberation from all hierachies and expectations is always inherently good
we live in a more free society now - but it is also one that is less virtuous and this is why it is worse than the previous repressive version
Anonymous No.151241276 [Report] >>151241347
>>151241190
The point was to offer better coverage. Costs could have been cut down too but democrats ended up trying to compromise with republicans to make it bipartisan by watering it down to nothing without getting any republican votes and ultimately they just passed what was left so that they could get something passed.

Meanwhile it’s been almost 20 years and republicans have not offered any alternative. They just bitch about ACA and want to get rid of it and say “pinky swear, it’s going to be better when we just get rid of it and then afterwards we maybe, maybe replace it with something else”.
Anonymous No.151241292 [Report] >>151241349 >>151241365
>>151241192
This fuckface unironically thinks living in a city is like living in Mad Max.
Anonymous No.151241312 [Report] >>151241327 >>151241365
>>151241198
why are they unable to stay and fight in their own countries and fix them? Why do they not care about doing this? Do white people in America/European countries just flee their countries to go elsewhere when their countries are in turmoil? No, they don't.

Why not? Because of the moral character of said countries' people and the fact that there isn't some other gilded fat cat country sitting there guranteeing them way better living conditions and money automatically for no reason
Anonymous No.151241327 [Report] >>151241367
>>151241312
>JUST DIE IN YOUR COUNTRY
Anonymous No.151241336 [Report] >>151241367
>>151241263
>depression era
>there was less crime and suicide

Oh I am laffing
Anonymous No.151241340 [Report] >>151241398
>>151235331
>>151235351
>Polling of voters shows a delta between Americans' favorability of the ACA vs. Obamacare
This is why I'm against democracy
Anonymous No.151241347 [Report]
>>151241276
>Meanwhile it’s been almost 20 years and republicans have not offered any alternative.
This has been interesting to see because during the election, when Trump was most descriptive of his solution to ACA was really to scrap it and let democrats fix it. Like what do you even need republicans for when they admit they want small government, don't want government to succeed in anything, actively work to erode and depower it, and when they have problems with medicaid, they just break it and demand dems fix it.
Anonymous No.151241349 [Report]
>>151241292
it doesn't have to be Mad Max level to justify thinking that it's bad and yes I do live in a city. ANY level of ambient constant crime and homeless and disrepair is fucking bad and it isn't just minor. The idea that 'it's completely normal to just expect crime to be a facet of life and for cities to be unclean with homeless people in them and for people not to help and talk to strangers in a friendly manner on the streets' is an extremely recent abnormal idea and the fact that people think this and tolerate any level of cities being like this reveals how bad things have gotten, how complacent people have become, how normalized the decay is and that I am correct about modern society lacking the moral fabric and virtue of past societies.

It doesn't have to be Mad Max level to be worse than previous centuries.
Mishal !!xHRIsb2fOFc No.151241365 [Report]
>>151241292
It's worse, at least you're allowed to kill raiders in the post-apocalypse. In cities, you're forced to kneel for them instead because they're le oppressed.

>>151241312
>Do white people in America/European countries just flee their countries to go elsewhere when their countries are in turmoil? No, they don't.
Yes they do, there were tons of people fleeing the Ukraine because they didn't want to get drafted or blown up by Pootin. And in WW2, many Europeans fled when things went pear shaped, why do you think so many Nazis went to Argentina? The whole reason America even got colonized in the first place is because the pilgrims were sick of being oppressed and it was easier to go somewhere else than put with the monarchy.
Anonymous No.151241367 [Report]
>>151241327
why do you automatically assume the people in those countries would just die and be incapable of fixing their own countries' problems?
>>151241336
you have a pop culture tv show understanding of what it was like back then, I bet you still think the dark ages was real too and that they were hanging people and torturing them on a mass scale or that peasants in the middle ages had no idea what the Bible said too, don't you?
Your perception of the past is ahistorical and outdated
Anonymous No.151241398 [Report] >>151241498 >>151241520
>>151241340
We have a representative democracy under a constitutional republic. It's really cool if it works alright and to the benefit of workers and consumers, the majority of voters. Politicians, I don't know if everyone in this thread understands, are imperfect in their knowledge and aren't experts in all fields. This is where "unelected bureaucrats" come in and they can be great for the country. Having to elect everyone and vote on everything slows down the process of fixing issues. Having a system of unelected experts for specific needs and projects makes sense.
Anonymous No.151241498 [Report] >>151241523
>>151241398
You mean like someone who was raised from birth to run the country? Perhaps a whole family line of them, passed on from parent to child? They could even say they were assigned by God, to convince people that it's the right thing to do. Sounds unamerican as fuck, by the way.
Anonymous No.151241520 [Report] >>151241552
>>151241398
>I don't like that the majority of the population isn't in favor of something that I am, so now I hate democracy and want an authoritarian big government and unelected bureacrats forcing the majority to accept things that they don't want just because I want them
this is the direction that every liberal/leftist/democrat has gone in over the past couple of decades and is why nobody likes them and they keep losing
Anonymous No.151241523 [Report]
>>151241498
Bureaucrats aren't all powerful and they're easy to shutdown and replace by elected representatives. How did you not know that?
Anonymous No.151241552 [Report]
>>151241520
There's been unelected experts assigned to specific tasks since 1883. It's actually the closest thing we have to meritocracy in government because any retard can ger elected, but a bureaucracy with enough oversight has room for better standards to be demanded.
Anonymous No.151241727 [Report] >>151241748
>>151234725
The one communist country that's left (Cuba) has pretty decent healthcare considering it's not particularly wealthy and from what people who've actually lived in East Germany during communism told me, for all the problems it had, healthcare wasn't one of them.
Anonymous No.151241741 [Report]
>>151234368 (OP)
Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are some most evil looking people out there
Anonymous No.151241746 [Report]
>>151235688
Funnily enough, yes, even Nazis were to the left of the Republicans. At least they had some respect for the parts of the german population that they didn't want to kill. Republicans want all Americans to suffer equally.
Anonymous No.151241748 [Report]
>>151241727
Cuba in fact has such good healthcare service they regularly send their doctors overseas and were even able to make their own covid vaccine