Thread 76511579

What's causing the decline in testosterone in society? I had body of a woman for most of my life due to a medical issue, up until recently my body finally started producing testosterone when i found the root cause im 23. What's causing this in men?

>>76511579 (OP)
>What's causing the decline in testosterone in society?
That makes zero sense. Every fourth person is roiding.

>>76511585
doesnt steroids cause lower testosterone in the long term? i heard it even causes smaller balls, my ass was that of a woman when i was only 19 when i should have been muscular instead as my testosterone should be at its highest at that age

>>76511579 (OP)
Societal pressure
Mass produced extremely processed foods
Single mother houses and whore mothers
Women not wanting to be bothered
Economic pressure to stay at work so you can afford to live which causes depression en masse
Plastics in the water
Women pissing birth control into the water supply
Hormones, herbicides and pesticides all over everything

>>76511617
women have become extremely difficult, literally every guy i meet has had problems with women incluiding me , its sickening

Vitamin D deficiency
Microplatics
Birth control meds in water supply
BPA
Less tobacco smokers
Sedentary lifestyles

>>76511601
>doesnt steroids cause lower testosterone in the long term?
Yeah, but after you use steroids for a few years and want to stop because you don’t want to die early, you can go to a doctor, and they’ll usually prescribe some medication to stabilize your testosterone around 500-600. My friend, for example, takes a low dosage of Clomiphene prescribed by his doctor, and soon he will switch to TRT.

>>76511601
>my ass was that of a woman when i was only 19
I'm gonna need pics lil bro

>>76511579 (OP)
Is this happening globally or only in societies with high levels of gender equality?

>>76511579 (OP)
> i found the root cause im 23.
what was the cause?

>>76511579 (OP)
Elderberry skill issues. Also the petroleum-based sunscreens are not so based and tank test+estro. I got "idiopathic" hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism from that sunscreen BS and had to cycle letro when I figured it out lol.

Nanoplastics

>>76511649
> I got "idiopathic" hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism from that sunscreen BS and had to cycle letro when I figured it out lol.
qrd?
when did you figure it out
how different are you now?

This is the only issue on which the whole board shills pharma intervention
You have been played faggots

>>76511579 (OP)
Being fat is the SINGLE issue >>76511712

>>76511721
i know it's anecdotical but i don't think so
i know fat fucks that are perfectly manly (beard, deep voice, 6 feet 3 and schlong equipped)
and I know dudes that were always normal weight and are low T and have yet to develop beard growth at age 25

>>76511601
>when i was only 19 when i should have been muscular
Why should you have been muscular at that age? Most 19 years olds are skinny pencils necks unable to do 5 pull ups or they are fat can't do 1 or walk up a flight stairs

>>76511757
like i don't think that fat doesn't play a role
but it being the single issue?

thinking back my highschool class had about 20% low T dudes (had reunion recently and they are still lower T) and not a single one of them was fat - 3 of them even had severly stunted growth to the point where they had to hop on HGH at the age of 16

>>76511635
Far right is mine.

>>76511757
Of course there are exceptions but these fat manly dudes simply had so much testosterone that it didn't matter and they could have gotten fat during their adult years not their developing years like most cucked fatties

>>76511657
had trouble building muscle above "victim weight" at 6', ran bloodwork and figured out the issue, ran letrozole a few months and test levels normalized, got up to perp weight. later discovered elderberry is a hell of a test booster that mogs pretty much all the others, lol.

Increased obesity rates > everything else > less physically active in terms of sports/daily steps/physical labor

>>76511782
> figured out the issue
> doesn't say what the issue was
> le elderberry
ah
sorry for thinking this wasn't a meme thread

>>76511579 (OP)
How did you fix the problem and what was the cause? I think I have the same problem,. I’m not sure if I should splurge on a blood test or just get the medication.

>>76511617
>Women not wanting to be bothered
How does this lower testosterone

>>76511617
>blames his shitty on life on everything except the loser in the mirror.
Yeah it has nothing to do with sitting in a dark room for 20 hours a day since age 8 playing video games and jacking off to weird porn

>>76511579 (OP)
>Recent scientists-
>researchers say-
Opinion immediately discarded

>>76511791
the issue is literally bezone chemicals in sunscreens; they are fairly broad-spectrum and potent anti-androgens and anti-estrogens. they cause "shutdown" as bodybuilders call it, aka low LH and FSH levels leading to low test. get zinc-based sunscreens instead.

>>76511757
>>76511768
>>76511772
Free T is what matters, not total T fwiw
I do think that bf% affects SHBG in a way to make the stars align (badly)

>>76511841
*benzone

>>76511849
If your sunscreen's label says zinc, don't overthink; if it's a benzone keep it in the friendzone.

One big factor is the same reason heart disease, obesity, and type 2 diabetes are a struggle, that people are sitting around too much in developed countries. When does the average person there really push their body? A lot of us dont even stand very much. We need to use our h bodies more

>>76511843
Also I mean obesity is very very correlated with lack of exercise, and it's proven that exercises increases T

>>76511841
Use no sunscreen instead

>>76511585
>More people need artificial testosterone than ever
>So there's no way levels can be that low!
Do you think before you type?

>>76511617
>>76511624
>>76511655
None of that, people just got fat.
That's literally it, the only reason why the mean T levels are dropping is because men got fatter overall and being fat, even sligthly overweight is enough to dramatically impact your T.
We also used to vastly overestimate T levels in the past.
https://x.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1956769175646396714

>>76511635
Who told women that lip fillers were attractive and where can I find him and kill him?

>>76511873
isn't the chart you linked literally useless because it doesn't factor in age?

like no shit T level are lower when half the population is now 45 or older

>>76511579 (OP)
>What's causing the decline in testosterone in society?
Less animal cholesterol consumption

>>76511841
I use sunscreen and my test is in the 700s

I have ED. Not sure why, but I’m also a virgin so I don’t even think it matters

>>76511579 (OP)
>What's causing the decline in testosterone in society?
obesity and plastics

>>76511841
>>76511782
What were ur test levels

>>76511757
What does beard had to do with test?

>>76511963
beard growth is influenced by testosterone and its more active form, dihydrotestosterone

> put on a couple pounds (something that was an evolutionary advantage until 100 years ago)
> testo levels tank

> consume carcinogen that will fuck up your lungs
> teso levels increase
just what did nature mean by this?

>>76512092
I have the best beard genetics (med) and I still think I’m not high test, full head of hair aswell

>>76512105
> I still think
and what are your actual values?

there is a connection between beardgrowth and testo
just look at FtM trannies

>>76511866
this

I’m getting my T tested for the first time in a few weeks. I suspect I’m low T because I don’t get boners anymore. Is there anything I should know before the test?

>>76511627
Not true, around 98% of test users recover to their previous levels with no issues or drugs. A tiny minority suffers reduced test levels but this is blown massively out of proportion. Real risk of running high testosterone doses are heart effects and prostate mutations (i.e cancer risk).

>>76512114
Test for estradiol, shgb and free test at the same time.

>>76512108
Infrequent morning woods, mood swings, hindered confidence etc

>>76512121
I don’t know what those things are. My doctor put me in for T and cortisol

>>76512116
>Not true, around 98% of test users recover to their previous levels with no issues or drugs.
No, the number is between 60-70% and there is a reason for that because it is correlated to how long one abused anabolic steroids and what dosages. Pro bodybuilders virtually never recover.

>>76511579 (OP)
microplastics and endocrine disruptors

Its impossible to actually know how these are effecting people because you cant find a control group, its literally in everything

Plastic is not being delt with at all. We're basically just shoving it into the ground while mass producing more of it.

>basically zero physical activity (no test production)
>fat is labelled as "le bad" (even though it's needed to synthesize testosterone) and the average meal is 80% processed carbs and sneed oils

>>76511635
Look at all that coom fuel

>>76511624
I wish smoking increased test, its temporarily prevents aromatisation of test into estrogen, but the cumulative damage it causes to blood flow, oxygen intake and utilisation and a bunch of other things make it a net negative if you do it habitually

>>76511579 (OP)
>when i found the root cause
Why are you asking us when you appear to be the expert?

>>76512200
kill yourself

>>76512343
nah smug poster goes alright, with the exception of the animal fur and baldness claim. that is profoundly retarded.

>>76512116
>>76512142
If you're not a retard and can hop on proper PCT (hCG/hMG/GnRHa) the chance of recovery is >99%

>>76511579 (OP)
test levels have been declining but this is explained also by declining activity levels
physical activity would maintain test levels

>>76511621
Theyve been zuckerberg'd
>>76511828
Inability for lower test men to fornicate creating testosterone divide in the population
>>76511837
That's an insanely assumptive line of shit
>>76511873
Dumb

>>76511579 (OP)
>sedentary lifestyles
>processed foods
>no sunlight
>microplastics in everything
>birth control drugs in the water

>>76512594
no no no you have it all wrong. I'm not a low-test bitch boy because I sit on my ass day and play video games everyday since childhood.
It's because of whatever the jews put in the food and water.

>>76511635
They're AI generated.

>>76511767
Lol WHT? You've never heard of a military? Usmc takes 17 year old recruits, and 20 years ago a perfect score was 20 pull-ups, and it was the norm

>>76511873
based

>>76511906
your body creates its own cholesterol

>>76512776
lol no fucking way it was the norm to do 20 pull ups!!! that is CRAZY!!

>>76512827
your body also creates its own sugar, fat and protein, but you still need to eat all three or die

>>76512910
yeah but you don't need to eat additional cholesterol because the body creates enough of it on its own to sustain healthy testosterone levels.

I might have to stop taking my non zinc sunscreen

>>76511757
>i know fat fucks that are perfectly manly (beard, deep voice, 6 feet 3 and schlong equipped)
Oh, really? Did you personally check their cocks? Faggot

>>76512334
Then use Zyn

>>76511935
bout 300 with IHH and 750 after letro

>>76511579 (OP)
Porn addiction

>>76513034
that's a major factor. But everyone here wants to blame some external factor beyond their control.
They its their water bottle's fault they're a bitch lol

>>76513034
that's a major factor. But everyone here wants to blame some external factor beyond their control.
They think its their water bottle's fault they're a bitch lol

>>76513034
>>76513061
Go ahead, explain how porn addiction decreases test. I'll wait.

>>76513072
Because (You) spent your entire formative years sitting in a dark room alone jacking off to weird cartoons, playing video gaymes and watching anime instead on going outside, running around, developing social skills, etc. You stunted your physical and mental development by being sedentary.

>>76511579 (OP)
I think the two big ones are obesity and exposure to more chemicals than ever (plastics, etc). Those things are relatively new compared to 50 years ago.

I was diagnosed low T at 24 by an endocrinologist (no sides). Went on underground test for a few months and didn't feel any different. I even sent a sample in to janoshik cause I thought I got scammed kek. Maybe it's because I have low t of the brain (type 2 hypogonadism)? (balls work fine but brain doesn't tell them to make t). Stopped cause my balls were getting soft and small. They rebounded just fine though.

>>76511579 (OP)
Broccoli haircuts

>>76513080
>sedentary
>porn addiction
Two different things
>>76513107
There are some steady states which are not optimal, that's probably what you were experiencing before, hCG or something would reset it

>>76513518
tell me all about the exercise you get jacking off for 12 hours straight?

>>76513080
So, you got nothing? Watching porn takes 10 minutes max, you dont have to basementmaxx like the creature you just described.

>>76511841
Bullshit. Sources needed for bold claims.

>>76512142
>60-70%
I've never read any studies with this % of permanent shutdown. The 1-2% group I mentioned includes test users who have been on for years who then went back to natty status. Some sources would be useful (inb4 leddit).

>>76513710
then you're probably not porn addicted so why do you care so much?

>>76511621
I feel sorry for ya son
>I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one

>>76514969
I care because the statement was "porn reduces testosterone". If porn is the culprit then you should suffer ill effects even after just short exposure. If not then porn is NOT to blame, it is simple.

>>76515103
nobody stated that.
I was responding to the other anon about porn addiction then you showed up and started sperging out.
I understand you are very emotional because you need some external factor beyond your control to blame your shitty life on - plastic, jews, canola oil etc

>>76513715
Uh
>Endocrine and Reproductive Health Considerations of Sunscreen UV Filters: Insights from a Comprehensive Review 2014–2024
>https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40572-025-00492-9

>>76513518
>>sedentary
>>porn addiction
>Two different things
Lmao sure bro you're jacking off while you're doing jumping jacks. It conditions your mind to prefer comfort over hardship and easy pleasure over accomplishment.

>>76513710
>Watching porn takes 10 minutes max, you dont have to basementmaxx like the creature you just described.
Boomer doesn't know about gooning

>>76511585
based mentally disabled poster

>>76511873
why it always takes years for such simple lies to be debunked?

>>76511579 (OP)
Obesity
Sedentary lifestyle
Environmental pollutants that impact hormonal production like microplastics
Etc

Obesity is probably the main cause.

>>76511621
Skill issue unironically
Every dude I know that isn't a colossal fuckup has a wife or girlfriend

>>76511645
>what was the cause?
i was assigned female at birth

Winning increases testosterone.
Every man is struggling, working for low pay, working next to girls like they are our equals, having female bosses, all this shit will nuke your test.

>>76511635
I don't know if my porn nuked mind has finally reached entropy and everything seems boring now, but I'm looking more at how fucking retarded they look and less at their revealing bodies. It's cold out, wear clothes you stupid spics

>>76517397
>Every man is struggling, working for low pay, working next to girls like they are our equals, having female bosses
I'm not, speak for yourself

>>76517413
I am speaking for majority of men.
Same here. retired at 30. You work though? Low test for sure.

>>76517424
Exactly, not
>every man
if someone is working shit job they're unhappy with it's entirely on them

>>76517413
Most people are struggling . Men too and girls. A top 5% income is only like 200k. The top 10% make up 50% of the consumption. The bottom 90% has cut back spending.
Unless you dont work and still have high income, you are low test.

>>76517434
Bro, unless youre making over 200k doing nothing youre low test.
Work = low test. Sitting in traffic going to work = low test.
Working in an office with girls = low test.

>>76517440
this post reeks of low test

>>76517440
>making over 200k doing nothing
You got me. 260k WFH IT job

>>76517443
I uses to work. Whenever I got fired or quit, I felt the “test boost.”
Or when you dont have a job and you get a phone call saying youre hired, you feel your test drop.

>>76517445
You still wfh. I had a wfh job before, its shit.
Why is it always wfh fags that always chime in? Lemme guess, some dork fag tech or swe?
Having a job = low test.

>>76511635
Is this shooped or are they all super-bogged?

>>76517451
>I had a wfh job before, its shit
Yeah, yours probably was shit. You had to actually work like a retard or something lmao

>>76517467
No, I got fired from that too. So i just retired at 30 now. lol. Also, I think they saw me typing nigger and stuff lmfao. And my notes I had to type out for work and submit were fucking hilarious I would start laughing. I dont think youre supposed to that at work. lmfao.
I would type and submit like
>and then Andrew did this, and everyone clapped.
lmfao. I did shit like this every day until I got firwd.

>>76517467
Lmfao and I had to screenshare on my first day and all my pol tabs history popped up lolll

>>76511841
i use sunscreen and have 832 ng/dl test levels. used to low 300's before.

>>76517478
My work never complained about me browsing here

>>76517485
They never did to me too. Eitherway who cares it was fucking hilarious the shit I type out and submitted.

>>76517440
do you not actually know what "test" means here

>>76511579 (OP)
Microplastics

>>76511579 (OP)
Microplastics.
It's proven to reduce testosterone levels and is in relationship with low sperm count. Some even link it to gayness.

>>76518032
working lowers test especially when your boss is a girl lmao

>>76511579 (OP)
>Most men just sit at home, watching yt and playing vidya
>Most eat absolute garbage and are fat
>Many get their brains fried by social media and become depressed snd anxious
>Socialisation is also decreasing and more and more people are lonely, which fucks you up big time
The modern lifestyle is extremely unhealthy and decreases test. Microplastics and similar stuff have only a minor role imo. Just the fact that the majority of men are obese plays a massive role

>>76511768
Were they really skinny? Being too skinny nukes your test too

>>76512114
Do I have to worry about having low test even if I have rock solid boners and high libido (mainly when I'm with my gf)?
My motivation is kinda meh and I get angry pretty easily. Beard growth is kinda average, I don't have a thick beard, but it isn't that patchy either. And I don't have any chest/back/stomach hair, but that seems genetic because my brothers and father don't have any either.

>>76511579 (OP)
A big one not talked about enough is that young people these days have really low self esteem and confidence. This could be a symptom of decline in testosterone but I think could also be a cause as well

>>76518268
How old are you? When you're below 25 your gf even if average you can have sex with 4 times a day. It changes over time and that doesn't have much of a correlation to your t levels

>live like an emasculated slave
>body stops producing testosterone
It's that simple

>>76518291
I'm 23. Energy levels are fine. I'm not depressed or anxious and I'm fairly happy.
The main thing that seems to me like a symptom of low test is my motivation which is meh. And I'm fairly socially awkward.

Sometimes I feel more clearheaded and aggressive (in a good way) after eating shitloads of pure chocolate. Wonder if it helps with test.

>>76518398
Your test is at mid range

>>76518516
Chocolate has caffeine in it. That's all it is.

>>76518398
>The main thing that seems to me like a symptom of low test is my motivation which is meh. And I'm fairly socially awkward.
get it tested. it's the only way to know.
i'm lazy (retired at 30) and anti-social and mine is 895 ng/dL (31 nmol/L). age 48.

>>76518827
>The main thing that seems to me like a symptom of low test is my motivation which is meh. And I'm fairly socially awkward.
these are symptoms of being a loser not being low test. Testosterone wont change your personality or make you charismatic.
Find something else to blame your shitty life. I recommend the loser in the mirror

>>76518926
my mommy says i'm lazy and anti-social because i only do fun things like travel overseas, hang out at the gym all day, bang the neighbour's teenage daughter, pop monos on my dirt bike up, and get into drunken bar fights.
t. 895 ng/dL natty

>>76519171
sure you do, faggot.

>>76511579 (OP)
they don't need it, so their body won't produce it

there is no need for high test in modern society

>>76518926
My life is not shitty though and I'm pretty happy

>>76511579 (OP)
Easy
>Too much tech
>Sissy jobs
>Women in power enforcing being nice
>Punished for fighting via women
>Punished for being a man and acting like one
>Rewarded for being a whiny passive aggressive bitch
Hmmm

my theory is that testosterone levels have some epigenetic component that will cause them to continually trend downward from their maximum when we were cavemen. as in, if your test levels are low in your lifetime due to your lifestyle, your offspring will have lower testosterone levels

from a few dozen generations of staying indoors and being fat, eating plastic, etc, we have basically done like 100,000,000 years of testosterone damage to our collective gene pool in only a few hundred years

random mutation and natural selection would have probably mitigated the damage over those millions of years, but since we changed so quickly, those forces cannot keep up.

>>76518926
> Find something else to blame your shitty life. I recommend the loser in the mirror
kek

Rejection of god. Thirty years war was most based time to be alive. Heretics got what they deserved our father who art in heaven smiled upon them for their punishment.

>>76511771
Get in line, pal.

>>76511782
>ran bloodwork and figured out the issue

What did your bloodwork show that you were able to dial it in?

Could you please expand what was going onbro?

>>76521144
I had a T level around 300, LH and FSH both a bit under 1. That's pretty much diagnostic for hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, or at least used to be before they FURTHER cucked the reference ranges downward from testing too many shutdown'd roidtroons or something.

>>76521539
As a point of comparison, Bryan Johnson coming off TRT had LH and FSH levels at around 10 which is the edge of gonadal failure or gonadotrophin insensitivity, but strangely somehow had a "natty" test level around 800 with no AIs or hCG or SERMs.

>>76512902
Exactly why the president is making you zoomers get fit

>>76511585
Roids decrease natural testosterone production.

>>76511579 (OP)
The answer is simple: The jews did it.

>>76521564
I will NOT get fit to please some fucking boomer

>>76511579 (OP)
It seems that my erectile dysfunction is not completely a physical problem afterall. Because I have lost all lust for women. I laid with a naked woman and felt nothing. How does that even happen. Must be one in a million

>>76511579 (OP)
Masculine women

>>76511635
All of those has been shat on by some fat old muslim. It really makes you put things into perspective

>>76511874
Theres an insane amount of women around that unironically think the bratz doll aesthetics are achievable and attractive. The first woman i encountered that said that i thought "huh, thats a little weird" but then i found a bunch more of them saying the same shit 100% convinced about it. Women are absolutely retarded

>>76511579 (OP)
Sedentary living is now more the norm than ever before.
We're so far removed from how we lived, even ten years ago, as a society. In a bad way.
Sure there are outliers but for the most part, humans have become lazy slobs who do nothing but stare at screens all day, every day.

>>76511579 (OP)
average male BMI is almost 30
body fat around 30%
Excessive fat causes test to aromatize into estrogen and fucks up your test production overall
answer the question yourself

>>76511579 (OP)
People will say it's plastic or whatever but it's actually upbringing.
But changing this would mean AT LEAST reverting to the cultural norms of 40 years ago, and nobody wants to do that.

>>76523449
Yes, but plastics are also obliterating men. No one seems to give one shit about it, which makes me think it might be by design.

>>76511621
It was literally always that way, but due to low test, men now care.

>>76523461
plastics are fucking up everyone and everything, you can't even avoid them atp because there are babies already born with plastic inside them

>>76511873
People get fat because low t, not low t because of fat.

Just look at the build of average men from say the 90s: Objectively much more bodyfat because they have worse definition, but they carry it better due to more muscle mass even in untrained people.

>>76523482
This is Sean Connery in the 1960s. High bodyfat BUT no gyno, no love handles, everything is tighter due to high base testosterone muscle mass.
You will not find anyone today with this body. People will look fatter or more jacked, but this "untrained but firm" normal male body has 100% vanished.

You might say "peopel were skinny" back then, but look at him, he isn't skinny at all. He looks full, has no definition, no six pack etc.
He just looks healthy.

>>76523461
>No one seems to give one shit about it
Actually it's a huge issue for example in the EU; it's just that nobody can do anything against it.

>>76512902
Not the norm, the perfect score. 20 pull ups is very above average.

>>76511579 (OP)
There are less white people today, more Indians and Chinks so therefore lower testosterone.

>>76523482
holy shit you're retarded
People get fat because they eat too much. Tesosterone has nothing to do with it.
High body fat is proven to cause lower test level

>>76523461
>>76523465
>>76523507
Its not plastics fault you're a bitch

>>76517440
>Posting on Mongolian basket weaving forums
Insanely high test Chad

>>76521580
That's fine. Enjoy being held back because you're physically retarded x

>>76511963
>>76512092
You can have more dht than normal yielding less free t and have a thick beard

>>76511579 (OP)
It's obesity and lack of physical activity. People will feel perfectly okay saying your test levels naturally increase to make you more likely to mate and drop just after you've mated, but they won't do the same for eating and sedentary living. If you're consuming a ton of calorie dense food and not staying physically active then your endocrine system likely interprets that as a form of gooning.

>>76523482
no, don't be dumb please

>>76517413
You're on 4chan bro
Whatever you're doing
It's definitely not winning

>>76524542
I'm winning because I get to be with my digital frens

>>76511585
>Every fourth person is roiding.

It's way, WAY lower than 1 in 4. Maybe 1 in 4 blokes in your gym, but that's a biased sample.

The average bloke is overweight and hasn't been to the gym in years. If I had to guess I'd say only 20% of men even have gym memberships and less than 5% go regularly. Of the 5% of that go regularly maybe 20% roid meaning that perhaps 1% of all men are roiding, or 1 in 100.

Dramatically less than 1 in 4.

Be aware of your own biases.

>>76511635
>No hands visible
Clanker tricks

>>76524591
>The digital friends in question

>>76511579 (OP)
>What's causing the decline in testosterone in society?
Single motherhood.

Literally every single one of society's ills today can be laid at the feet of single motherhood .

>>76511585
>Every fourth person is roiding.
>2 billion people are on steroids

>>76523502
Connery was a former amateur body builder who liked to play sports. I'm not disputing anything you're saying, but that's a poor example to pull up.

I'd be interested in how many men had gyno back then vs now, but we'll probably never know for sure because they didn't have bietnamese rice farming forums where autists posted pictures of their man tits.

>>76511579 (OP)
>What's causing the decline in testosterone in society?
industrial endocrine disruptors (microplastics, etc), the next stage in human evolution will be some sort of adaptation to these things (but it won't be a return to the high test golden age)

>>76516833
My normie friends are having trouble and they pretty far from fuck ups. One of them found out his gf of 8 years was cheating on him, another one broke up with his gf because she wanted to experience uni life. Maybe it gets better in your 30's when women are more experienced.

>>76527964
its not plastic's fault you're a bitch

>>76511579 (OP)
>>76511624
>>76511873
>>76516229
Because it doesn't deboonk it at all. Yes, being obese fucks with your hormones, so does vit d deficiency, sedentary lifestyle, and a diet of shit goyslop that leads to significant micronutrient deficiencies. Will getting fat lower your test? Yeah, totally, not saying otherwise. Will someone with low t who genuinely believes being in the sun for 5 minutes will give him skin cancer likely have low T, yes, will they be sedentary? Yes, more often than not. Will said person eventually become fat? It's very likely!

There isn't just one cause, here.

>>76511873
We’ve been mass importing obese Mexicans and nutrient deficient jeets for 25 years. Show me the T levels over time of a 40 year old white guy

Almost no one in this thread who think's they're "low T" actually are. You're just sad little bitches looking for some external factor beyond your control to blame being a bitch on

>>76529070
I had actual lab-confirmed low T natty but was still bigger than Bryan Johnson roiding. Correcting low T absolutely helped with muscle building, but you don't have to be a complete DYEL even with low T.

>>76512968
it isn't nicotine that increases test actually nicotine likely lowers test. the alkoloids in tobacco are ai's

>>76530032
How did you correct low t?

>>76527964
>Connery was a former amateur body builder who liked to play sports
And yet he had an utterly unremarkable, average physique during his acting career, which is why it's a good example.
Compare his bodybuilding era pictures, nothing of his muscle mass remained.

/fit/ is funny:
>This guy did some bodybuilding 20 years ago so he isn't a good example for an average guy!
>I haven't been training for 2 weeks, my gains are completely gone!

>>76511579 (OP)
Less physical labor. That's it. That's all there is to it. Don't listen to the retards telling you about /x/-tier shit like onions or fluoride or whatever. Testosterone production is stimulated by physical activity. People used to live on farms and do back breaking work all day. Then they worked in factories and did the same. Or mines. Or being lumberjacks. Doesn't matter. Nowadays most jobs don't demand any physical activity beyond walking around and thus testosterone production is reduced.

I'm not sure why everyone is treating it as a mystery.

>>76531774
>Compare his bodybuilding era pictures, nothing of his muscle mass remained.
No, he just got some fat over them. That's it. Muscle definition is very easy to lose. He likely didn't lose much if any muscle until old age.

>>76531796
This and the widespread sleep issues, tons of people have worse sleep compared to the past. Of course the bad sleep is also due to lack of activity. I used to work a non physical job and get shit sleep, my T was at 300. A few months ago I started doing physical labor job, and got good sleep and now I'm bounced up to 500-600.

>>76512677
>>76526188
This is true. As an alpha gooner, I would have recognized them if they were real

>>76532059
Were you lifting when you had low T?

>>76531757
If it's low LH and FSH, usually aromatase inhibitors and/or selective estrogen receptor modulators. If it's high LH and FSH, it's some kinda gonadal failure and astaxanthin probably helps a bit along with a lot of other stuff you can find somewhere on PubMed, but the conventional treatment is TRT.

>>76513034
Underrated.

Also the studies are probably flawed due to the wide use of pornography. If porn and masturbation lower testosterone, either short term or long term, then there’s no reliable control group because so many people use porn on a regular basis.

>>76523461
because the plastics are manufactured by giant corporations. same reason nothing is really being done about the clearly poisonous food we all eat all of the fucking time, or the utterly incredibly-excessive pharmaceuticals that are sold to us.

>>76531796
>can't understand things have multiple causes
>calling other people retarded

>>76511579 (OP)
because half are roiding and the other half stays inside refuses to talk to women and just live an overall active and peaceful lifestyle. Our bodies werent designed to sitdown and watch anime and video games for 10 hours/day

>>76511635
>no ugly hooker tats
perfect women
ill take them all