Thread 105560300

>Interviewing
Neetcode 150: https://neetcode.io/practice
Tips and interview practice: https://blog.interviewing.io/

>How to write a resume
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/25/how-to-write-an-effective-developer-resume-advice-from-a-hiring-manager/

>Salary Stuff
"What's your expected salary?": https://www.fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/salary-expectations-interview-question/
Negotiation advice: https://github.com/petermekhaeil/salary-negotiating
Salary data: https://levels.fyi/

>Software Development & Programming
GitHub Trending - https://github.com/trending
DevDocs - https://devdocs.io/
JavaScript, CSS, HTML sandbox - https://jsfiddle.net/
MDN Web Docs - https://developer.mozilla.org/
Stack Overflow Blog - https://stackoverflow.blog/

>IT Operations & Infrastructure
AWS Service Health Dashboard - https://status.aws.amazon.com/
Cloudflare System Status - https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
DownDetector - https://downdetector.com/
Microsoft Azure Status - https://status.azure.com/
Microsoft Office 365 Status - https://portal.office.com/servicestatus

>Unemployment Advice
Interview Prep - https://www.wikihow.com/Ask-Your-Parents-for-Money
Building a Resume - https://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Manifesto
Salary Stuff - https://www.usa.gov/benefit-finder/disability
Emotional Support - https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods
People who will be joining us shortly - https://layoffs.fyi

>International Job Boards
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/
Indeed - https://www.indeed.com/
Hiring Cafe - https://hiring.cafe/
YCombinator - https://www.workatastartup.com/companies
Wellfound - https://wellfound.com/jobs

Previous >>105516821

First for another day

Everyday is a monday. Everyday I get up and grind. Everyday I take it up the ass. Everyday I don't mind.

LET'S GET READY FOR ANOTHER DAY OF NOTHIIIIIIIIIIIIING

Gonna apply for some low-paying helldesk job where I get to reset boomers' passwords all day. Worst part is that it's just around the corner from where I did my (SWE) internship. Same shitty hour-long commute for at least 5k less...

Several anons claimed they applied to over 500 jobs in a previous thread. I offered to review resumes, and only 1 (one) anon sent me theirs, and didn't confirm whether they got my feedback or not.

This speaks volumes.

Why aren't (You) developing and maintaining a (potentially) widely used library or framework? Stop doing shitty side projects and mobile apps, no one cares.

Got prescreen in a couple hours.
At least the 8th time I've "interviewed" with this company. Always the same format.
>15 minute call
>Hi I'm Stacy from BallzDeep69 recruitment
>Tell me about your background
>What are you looking for in next role
>I have XYZ position, can I submit your resume?
>Okay, I will have you on a call with the hiring manager by next week
>2 weeks later
>Nothing
>Email
>Nothing
>Call
>Nothing
>Few months later
>Get call
>Hi I'm Stacy from BallzDeep69...
>Rinse and repeat

Obvious humiliation ritual but I'm so out of options at this point I have no choice but to partake

>>105562194
Im making the changes you mention rn actually!!!!!
Sorry I didn't respond, I got sidetracked.

>>105562251
I'm glad my email reached you.

You know, when I cheer for the underdogs of utwg, and the robots of r9k, I usually feel validated. I've crawled out of some dark dirty depressing holes with the help of others, yes, but largely from helping myself because of 120 weeks I was battling alone. That feeling of being validated in helping others wanes can wane when I don't see similar effort from the other underdogs of society. When that happens, I consider withdrawing my efforts to help them up. Maybe there is a God and he helps me forgive and be patient, I don't know, maybe we're all just bubbles floating in a universe, I don't know

>>105562489
120 hour weeks

mindlessly spamming apps on random sites seems like a waste of time

>>105562501
What alternatives do you have

>>105562239
Update:
Stacey ghosted me, this is actually a first for BallzDeep69 Recruitment believe it or not

>>105562489
king shit

>>105562843
What do you mean?
Either way, good or bad, cheers anon! It's coffee time. Happy Wednesday.

Well, I'm glad I can finally join you. I've quit my job today.
I never gave a fuck about "making it". I don't want a big house, an expensive car, I'm not going to have a wife or kids and I don't have expensive hobbies. Why should I keep wasting 40h of my life a week on this shit?
This is pretty much what I told my manager. I just don't care anymore. I got a cheap house in a rural area last month and I'll be teaching the basics of computers to elders and helping at the local library a couple of hours a week. I'm going to spend my free time fishing, reading and gardening.
Fuck computers.

>get an interview
>call them unprofessional assholes for being 15min late

fucking autism

>>105562993
Wow, liberation day.

What did your manager say to that? Did he appear envious?

How many months of no income can you afford right now based on your expenses?

>>105560300 (OP)
>only """jobs""" that call back are """boot camps"""
I'll just work at a fucking barnes and noble or somewhere else mostly frequented by whites and develop a game, fuck this.

>>105563016
He seemed surprised. Probably thought I lost it to some degree but I exposed it in a very calm and clear way. Also spent the last month documenting and fixing shit and interviewing people. I may not care about this but I'm autistic enough to like things done right.
After buying the house and everything I thought necessary I have 50k left, but I have no debts and no mortgage. I have some land and the river is two minutes walking away, could probably set some traps for birds too. Got solar panels, batteries and all the schizo/prep shit I could think about. Pretty sure I can live on 200-300 bucks a month comfortably.

>>105563102
With expenses that low, I hardly need to wish you luck, but all the best my dude. Seems like a very special life switch-up for you.

It's good you took care of the bridges on your way out. Perhaps in the future you can use them again, if needed. I was not so calm and collected when I departed 5 years ago, but it's hardly relevant today.

Unemployment is remarkable. Keep busy learning, and stay positive.

can unemployable * workers post here too?

>>105562993
What if you meet a cute shy and a little retarded girl who will be fond of you? Maybe try to start some small 1 man business to not stay completely away from the market

Bad news frog, YC rejected us and we're still waiting on the business app to go through. We hope we can at leasr have thr company registered by mid-july. We're moving forward in one VC's process in September, but might be able to get soft funds faster than that.

>>105563222
Thank you anon. I plan to get really invested in writing, but not sure if I'd like to turn that into a job because I stopped enjoying programming as soon as I did it for a living.

>>105563321
I'm trying to stay away from worries and headaches as much as I can. A woman living with me is a big no.

>>105563366
why would you post this here? unless you plan on hiring from this general

>>105563390
>I'm trying to stay away from worries and headaches as much as I can.
Eh, I thought so too until I have met my girlfriend, she is indeed a pain sometimes but her love and caring attitude rewards it, I admire your effort for staying in touch with local community as well

>>105563560
A while ago I posted that I decided to build a startup. Some /utwg/ frog wanted to br considered for a job. At the time I applied for YC to speed up getting started, setting up the company is crazy slow (been waiting 2 months so far and it can take up to 6). So now he'll have to wait a bit longer before we can do this.

On the bright side the PoC performs bettee than expected so far.

>>105562934
admirable

I'm graduating and I already hate indians. All my White project partners were great. Maybe half of the East/Southeast Asians were good. The Mexicans were usually good. The 1 black guy sucked balls. All 3 indians were dogshit. First one didn't contribute anything for a quarter-long project. Second one was leaving negative peer reviews before the project even started, killing morale. Even when I'd see people work well for hours, he'd give a bad review. Last one only made a couple pushes and kept leaving emojis in the comments (dead giveaway for ChatGPT plagiarism).

Officially unemployed for over a month now
Longest for me so far
Two extremely promising positions ended up getting declined after the final interview. This was 3 weeks ago. Got nothing since. Recruiter messages grinded down to basically nothing.

I don't feel good.

>>105564880
Only thing I will add to this is that actual Africans, like from Nigeria, are usually based. Every tall Nigerian at my company are smart and polite. But otherwise, yeah, you're spot on.

>>105562993
You're awesome, friend. Quitting, rural area, house. I am very jelly rn
>>105563102
I also think it's cool how you still did good work even near the end. Part of me wants to phone things in, but some aspects of my work I am proud of, and find myself doing good work just because it's got my name on it, and I want it to be good.

>>105563390
>I plan to get really invested in writing
Oh, goodness, you really are living my fantasy. I've been trying to get good at writing fiction, but find it difficult to muster the energy after a day of working for Rakesh and Ameripeet. I've considered cold quitting and focusing on writing and working out hardcore.

>>105563390
Oh, one more thing: how is your health insurance situation? That's the big thing that scares me about not having employment: either I don't have insurance and get a trillion dollar bill for some injury, or I pay out of pocket for insurance, and now my savings are draining extra fast

>>105564880

pajeets are taking over AI is an acronym for ACTUALLY INDIAN billions must smell their armpits

>carrying an indian project partner all quarter
>i'm taking the class P/NP
>boutta break it to him that I'm fucking off cause I got my P

>intern puts in a software install request saying he can't install it because it requires admin (no shit)
>connect to his pc and do a silent install
>i tell him to run the program to make sure it's working properly
>"it's not working"
>ask him to send me a screenshot of the issue
>he sends me a screenshot of the admin login prompt meaning he kept trying to run the installer again
no wonder newgrads can't find work. they're probably dumber than this guy

I have been getting absolutely ZERO responses from job applications lately. Earlier in the year, if I didn't get an interview I'd at least get a rejection letter saying that they've chosen someone else or the position has been cancelled. I know that the middle of the year is slower for hirings, but what gives?

>>105565572
What was the point of this comment?

>>105562194
I haven't applied to that many but I'm very aware my resume's shit. From a thread yesterday
>actually got a call from a recruiter for something I applied to last night
>he said my resume looked dated and he wanted an updated version (might've just wanted to be nice and help a guy out, might've thought I uploaded the wrong thing)
>resume's 1 page, summary, education, technical skills, 4 of my recent projects that I can reasonably talk about
>break the news that that's everything, haven't had a job in 10 years
>he says to put that on the resume alongside the fact I'm looking to get into it, that that'll have better results than what I currently have
He also said I should update my tech stack because while it does show some ability it's a bit dated, he suggested React.

>>105562194
Yes, it shows that all but one anon are smart and will not send pajeet information that could be used to doxx them or to get their information sold in recruiter grifts.

>>105568308
Recruiters don't know shit. You're terminally screwed. You could apply to 99999 jobs and still get nothing. Your resume isn't getting anywhere near a human with a gap, let alone a gap where you admit doing nothing. Everyone and their mom knows react, it would reduce your chances to have it (now you're no longer competing with losers, but with 99% of all devs, almost none of which have gaps)

>>105562194
>only 1 anon offered to dox themselves to you
This speaks volumes (about your arrogant self important ass)

>>105568412
It's their job to know if someone's hireable or not. If someone with more experience than me goes out of their way to tell me that something will up my chances then I'm listening. He could've just as easily ghosted me or sent a bog standard rejection email.
And what you're also forgetting is with React it adds another section of jobs I can reasonably apply to, an in demand section at that (more than I can say for Java). While it might not end up resulting in anything it'd at least open a potential window.

I love unemployed life so much, bros. I hope it never ends.

>>105563562
>I admire your effort for staying in touch with local community as well
Thanks, I've always been an ol' geezer at heart, so I think I'll fit well.

>>105565638
>but some aspects of my work I am proud of
That's great anon, I never felt any kind of pride about my job and didn't care about the product I was building, and when I stopped caring about the mony that became a big issue.

>>105565655
I started doing it at the weekends and after work, but eventually I realized I needed true calm to focus on this.

>>105565709
I live in Spain, healthcare is free.

>>105568603
I need money, I want to stop being a useless piece of shit. I think I'll be going for a regular job at the end of the month if I'm still getting nowhere, it's time to start supporting mum instead of the other way around.

>>105568640
>I need money
Move to a first world country and get NEETbux.
>I want to stop being a useless piece of shit
Find a hobby. You can be "useful" without selling away your limited time to make some rich asshole even richer.

>>105568651
I'm from a first world country, you only get neetbux here if you're disabled or are actively applying (and the amount you get is a fucking pittance, 1/3 the amount needed to cover rent).

>>105568668
>actively applying
Same, but not getting a job is not so hard in this market.

>1/3 the amount needed to cover rent
Grim. Sorry then, Anon. Unless you have the option to move to a smaller flat or cheaper area.

>>105568668
actively applying is easy since there's so many ghost jobs / competition.
I am making money from cenno since I live such a cheap lifestyle

>>105568783
>cenno
Aus?
Fuckin how? It's $600-700 a fortnight and rent is $500 a week anywhere within an hour of a city with tech work.

>>105560300 (OP)
Is it better to look for jobs in small or larger cities? I feel like large cities have way more opportunities but are probably way more competitive.

>>105568505
no, it really isn't and no, they have no experience. I, and others in these threads, who have, you know, successfully gotten jobs, are a billion times more qualified to say this for obvious reasons. Bonus points to people like me who participated in hiring.

>>105569075
Bitch you aren't even giving advice you're just saying give up.

>>105568954
I get $930 a fortnight.
I thought it was $800 base without rent assistance
I pay $210/week to rent within an hour of Sydney and Parramatta CBDs. I live with a roommate in a 2bdr near housos. ($420/week total)
I quick apply to 20 jobs / month which is pretty easy. And better yet since the market is so fucked I may be fortunate enough for a short phone screen interview for 10 minutes before I get rejected and that cuts down the jobs needed to apply for by 5.

>>105569105
Not my fault if that's how the market is. Your alternative is to pretend you were running a business or freelancing. Or build a time machine and go back to 2022.
In theory there is one more way: get into a non-tech role and connect with the tech team so you can get a tey out 2-4 years in. But this is a very unlikely possibility.

>>105569123
Every number I've seen is <$700 unless you have kids.

>>105560300 (OP)
ITT people not qualified enough to work in tech ( e.g. people without versatile experience or portfolios that show you're qualified to contribute to something a company needs to get done ), or people working in tech gatekeeping by posting propaganda that getting a job in tech is hard.

Getting a job is tech is insanely easy. Bunch of glowies and kikes here.

>>105569137
No I get the market is total aids I'm just saying I'd rather increase my chances as much as possible. It's not like I'm untrained I just haven't worked in the industry so it isn't outright impossible.
I wouldn't trust trying to work myself in after 2-4 years anyway, for all I know we'll have intern-level LLMs by that point.

>>105569194
Like I said, you'll have much better mileage claiming niche experience than fucking react experience.

>>105569181
Go be a bucket crab somewhere else, pajeet

>>105569210
Niche experience competes with people who have 40 years experience with a grand total of 5 job openings a month (if you're lucky).

>>105569210
Feel free to list some niche frameworks.

i forgot what lightweight db the guy im building an app for said he preferred, how do I slyly ask what it was again?

it's probably like mysql or something

>>105569385
Unless you got it in writing just reach out in ask.
If you feel bad about calling up for one thing then just compile a list of questions that you need confirmation on and slide it in like a 38 year old tranny into a childs discord.

>>105568651
i used to be on neetbucks, the amount is too low to live in dignity.

now i do freelance work where i charge so much that i only need to work a few hours a week.

>>105569242
Yes, but the amount of applicants is significantly reduced which means you can win by sheer luck. You're now 1/10k instead of 1/100m

>>105569464
Fake and gay. Freelance above minimum wage hasn't been a thing since 2015.

>>105569504
The amount isn't reduced to 0 and those applicants are all highly skilled.
To be clear I don't live in America so the numbers aren't quite that bad, but it's scaled down. For reference on the site I'm using the most applicants I've seen on a job is about 550, lowest is about 250, (off-site numbers aren't listed) and there are maybe ~30 per business day (most being senior+ roles because for some reason we can't filter by experience requirements in current year+10, and many being out of my skillset).

>Boomer dad gives me the "Smile and be polite" advice
>Boomer dad thinks companies give interview feedback
>Boomer dad thinks interviews are still conducted in person
Surprisingly, he hasn't given me the "firm handshake and be confident" advice

>>105561222
Isn't helpdesk all outsourced to India now?

>>105562993
holy based

>>105568603
I've been unemployed for a bit over a year and from the first few weeks people have been telling me I'm going to get bored. At first I was scared those people would be right, but now I assume they're all mentally ill. This is great. Aside from the lack of money thing. I need a job.
>nooooooooooooo what do you mean you're happy not going through rush hour traffic twice a day five days a week to do abstract, poorly defined work in a colorless office that's too bright and always either too hot or too cold


Okay time to go back to preparing for interviews I'm going to bomb.

>>105569634
Yes. I'm saying that the odds will be ridiculous eitherway, but in one scenario there is a chance that some shitty shop has some weird hiring ideas and will let anon get an interview or even a job. Very unlikely but 1000x more likely than in the other poaition, where the untalent density is so high that even a stealth startup grts 200 indians emailing the ceo at their private email before the company even has a website up

>>105569210
>you'll have much better mileage claiming niche experience than fucking react experience.
so maybe Vue/Nuxt?

>>105569915
Of course not. Not-web for a start.

>>105569973
for example?

>>105570003
Anything. Embedded, hpc, boomerware, trading...

>>105570135
You just listed some of the most senior sectors in the industry, I don't think I've ever seen an embedded listing that didn't explicitly require 5+ years experience.

>>105570187
Did you try reading my posts? If it's rocket science to you, consider a janitor job instead, more your speed.

>>105569832
>Isn't helpdesk all outsourced to India now?
Pretty much, although this particular job hasn't (yet)
By the sounds of the job description I'm completely overqualified for it, but I can't get a job I am qualified for anyway so....

>>105570253
The part where you're saying
>no no no, don't learn something common like react, learn this other niche skill because you can get hired in that skill easier
?
How are you planning on getting hired in a sector that demands 5+ years experience if you have 0 years of experience doing it?

>>105570264
Don't learn react. Learn reading comprehension. It coukd save your life.

>>105570340
This you? >>105569210
What would "I have 0 years embedded experience, I learned some in my free time" do for me that "I have 0 years React experience, I can start now" won't? Pro tip, one of those actually has jobs.

>>105562194
Who the fuck are you to ask for resumes and keep giving lessons here? Kill yourself faggot

>>105562238
That doesn't pay either

>>105568614
Te has ido a la España vaciada?

I just hit 10 months unemployed after layoff. Is it over? I only have 2 yoe

>>105570862
pretty much fucking over, you killed your entire career

>>105562238
I have several of those. Doesn't pay a dime even the one library that has triple digits daily downloads

>>105570862
Can't be unemployed if you never worked in the first place ;)

>>105571093
You're better off that way at least you didn't sink 2 extra years into an apparently dead career

>>105560300 (OP)
Neetlife bad

I didn't know some of you guys were so angry and frustrated. It's insufferable. Good luck and good bye

What's /utwg/'s choice of pre-interview confidence booster?
One (and a half on bad days) shot of pic related for me.

>working in warehouse
>Go to university, get CS degree
>2 internships
>3 yoe doing backend .Net development
>Laid off
>1.5 years later haven't found tech job
>take warehouse job because it's the only other area I have experience in
>Over here 1 coworker talking about how he's taking classes online to "learn to code"
>Other coworker assured him he will be making so much money soon
>Chuckle silently to self and return to work

I have come full circle

Lads, should a person go study IT In the current year? I need a job and I fear it might be shit
>>105571677

just lie and say you are brown
this country is entirely weighted towards employing spics niggers and women to create hyper competition
every day I think back to my public highschool in a rich zip code and how the faggot admins and teachers disciplined whites was by introducing more fake competition of judes and their browns who accept the propaganda that we are all going to be rewarded with big american everything if you're snake tongued enough and know enough hebrew
it's a war, never forget it's a war

>>105571752
>Timmy when the world doesn't revolve around him for .69 nanoseconds

>>105571752
>it's a war, never forget it's a war
I'm converting to Judaism and claiming my family are Jews
Shalom
I need to run up these bands

>>105571719
You should really only get into it if you really enjoy it nowadays. No, using a computer and playing games isn't enjoying IT.
I don't really know what other option to suggest though, everything's getting fucked one way or another and automation for pretty near anything could be right around the corner (it's always only 10 years away).

>>105571787
stfu kike you can't hide because it's a blue board kill yourself before it's too late
>>105571800
just do that
lie lie lie
make them drown

>>105571801
I don't know if I enjoy it, coding and doing horrendous recruiting interviews with tests I would not enjoy
I just wanna wage and get some bux and hopefully either invest or start a business
all this is gay

>>105571864
If you want to start a business then you're probably looking at trades (though you'll be competing with 3rd worlders). Trades are pretty much designed for you to quit after 5-6 years and start your own business.
That said, I'm not a big "learn a trade" guy so make of that what you will.
Tech businesses can work but they're usually less tech and more business/marketing.

What you could do is go to a job board and just scroll to see what shit's available, just to get a general gist of what's out there (usually those sites have a "list in demand/high paying careers" section).

got woken up from my neet slumber by a callback for a react/next.js role i applied for. she asked me if i could interview tomorrow and i said yes in my sleepy stupor. I should have asked for a monday slot. i know very little about react and nothing about next.js. my last job had me working on svelte but i was barely working. i lied to the recrooter that i had 2 years of react experience.

>>105570862
im only at like 3 months right now and I'm getting a job at a local dollar general or popshelf. Should be fun talking to people there. Also, still working on my service industry business and working for a startup, simple-ish app project that claims to pay some amount of ownership of the product.

>>105569068
the world has become global enough to where even small businesses are outsourcing their engineer departments.

>>105571752
>just lie and say you are brown
Im brown american and Im being passed over for indians.

>>105572016
Fake it until you make it

>>105572129
Now americans will need to put indian names on their resume to get hired. Hilarious how things turned out

>>105572263
>Now americans will need to put indian names on their resume to get hired
Id sooner kill myself

>>105571554
I didn't know the blue collars had this idea of "people who know how to code make a lot of money"

But after the disrespectful and embarrassing display of some fags jumping up and down, harassing me, after telling them I was a swe at a startup, perhaps I'm not surprised.

I will never tell anyone I'm a swe again. I will also never tell anyone I'm a digital nomad because they literally can NOT handle it.

Just take a look at this trv thread

>>>/trv/2792427

>>105572016
Good luck anon, fix that sleep schedule asap.

>>105572263
I heard about some anon who had a polish(?) surname that was 1 letter off of a popular indian surname, when he walked into the interview they were visibly disappointed.
Jeets unironically will only hire jeets and there really needs to be legal action taken against them for it.

>>105572320
They probably have the same questions about plumbing and shit.
>I break my back for $25 an hour, how am I making bank?

>>105569509
not when you are very good.
i charge about 1k / day.

but my work doesn't actually needs the full day, i only pretend it does.

>>105572016
just make sure to slip in somewhere during the interview that you are a Brahmin caste developer

>>105572772
I am better and more qualified than you are but the only freelance jobs are $5/hour. As for contracting, 'sorry saar we only hire thru ranjeet talent inc.'

>>105570726
>>105570999
It's not supposed to pay. It is supposed to market yourself.

>>105572936
nobody cares whatsoever

>>105570862
I'm 14 months unemployed with 2yoe.
Its over for me

has replying to rejection emails actually helped anyone before

>>105572320
I used to be a swe at a startup. The intern used to literally bring us coffee. It was glorious...
Now I deliver furniture.

>>105573256
I got an interview from doing that exactly once (failed it because I was not extraverted enough though), and I got a 'apply next year' with good explanations once (in over 2000 applications and about 700 such responses)

why would you give up your job search after getting laid off? it's a relentless pursuit and you are bound to land something by the end

>>105573313
>Bound to land something

>>105573313
Sure. Bound to find something absurdly shitty after 2 years of 11 hours a day searching.

>>105573326
>>105573339
are you american?
In EU it is not that bad, still shitty but not as bad as in america

>see a junior role
>finally
>requires previous experience
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
Hire a mid then you fucking jew.

>>105573360
I would move to bongladesh if it meant getting a job

>>105571923
there are no third worlders doing trades in europe, it's just poles
atleast here
and uh, no tradies
>5-6 years
I have to work with a shit pay for like 3 years before I even reach a non shit (normal) salary as a trainee as a tradie
I'm too old to tradiemaxx, I don't wanna go around every day in my fucking van, I think

>If you want to start a business
my only last hope of making it is enrolling in business at uni or die poor, it's about it
this is my last shot, after this it's all over

>>105573263
>Now I deliver furniture.
I applied to IKEA.... I did not get that job either
it's over

I'm demoralized bros. I briefly tasted freedom and stability once, and I don't think I ever will again.

I don't want to go back to the warehouse.

>>105574036
The warehouses are yearning for the anon.

>>105573360
>are you american?
nta but american and 6 months now without a job. I have 10 yoe btw. Indians are ruling our tech departments.

>>105573372
just apply anyway. you'll get rejected but at least you tried

>>105573985
I only got furniture job through family connection

Are there any sector that's not cooked atm?

>>105574201
This is surprisingly common, and I blame illegal immigration, H1B, the lack of corporate national responsibility (allowing them to be multi-national and care about no nation), and the depersonalization inherent in our current internet based technology.

>>105574201
For reference, I applied at a fucking McDonalds, looked in the back and they were all hispanics speaking a foreign language under a hispanic manager. Couldn't even get a damn job there and I think I know why.

Probably needs a tip to ICE. There should be good samaritans looking for this kind of thing everywhere.

>>105574469
>Call ICE
What for? If Trump realizes McDonalds is all illegals they all get amnesty.

>>105574503
Based amnestyDon! MIGA!

I'm about to do a week of (((unpaid))) training at a company. What should I expect?

>>105574599
Bring me my coffee bitch

>>105574678
Blud I would love one of those office sitcom meme jobs where you just deliver coffee and type spreadsheets or schedule meetings all day

>>105574713
I think everyone in modern tech would kill for such a job and would take a hell of a paycut for it willingly.

>in interview
>hit mission control by mistake
>shows download folder full of goonfuel

FUCK

>>105574778
Better that than your /l/ folder.

>>105574778
>idiot doesnt make sure everything is closed before an interview where he might screen share

>>105574778
>not buying a new mac for each interview

i have one of those HR pseudoscience aptitude tests tomorrow
normally i'd tell them to fuck off but i'll just take what i can get at this point. at least it's progress after like 2 months of nothing
inshallah

>>105570862
2 months unemployed here, also have 2 yoe (with half of it being an internship). My backup plan is getting into IT via CompTIA certs and hell desk, but idk if it’s even feasible rn

>>105574951
unironically speaking i should have a clean separate session for interviews and shit

>>105564880
probably the angriest I ever got in a college project was in a team of 4 when I and a german guy wrote 90% of the code, a chinese guy generated some unit tests, and the indian guy only ever "wrote" code when we explicitly told him to and would then have to rewrite anyway because it didn't work. an hour before submission we asked him to write an introduction to our report and he responded two minutes later with the most obvious chatGPT slop, the first words were "since the beginning of time"

Welp I'm going to help desk just so I have a job. Wish me luck bros.

>>105575912
i have been applying to helpdesk jobs for two months lol

>>105574469
Everyone and their mom are trying to apply at McDonald's. Maybe you should try other places.

>>105572320
It's usually a bad idea to brag, even if it's talking about your former job.

>>105576393
I was asked what I do for work right now. I just hang out in utwg even though I'm employed

I learned to code. Now what?

>>105576620
Rope

My interview for a job I am not at all qualified for did not go nearly as poorly as I expected... which makes me feel retarded, because I hardly prepared for it because I thought I was screwed no matter what. But it was entirely "tell me about a time when..." questions rather than technical questions. If I had a million responses written out beforehand I could have done great.
Oh well, time to go back to the usual alternating between writing papers and playing videogames.

>>105575831
>since the beginning of time
holy shit lmao I want to use this in worthless meetings now.

>>105574124
Nah if something says "Must have _ years experience in _" or "Requires: _ Years experience in _" then it's pointless to apply unless you're at least close, they clearly want someone who already knows it and aren't willing to train someone who could learn it.

>>105576620
Learn to plumb

>>105578438
Is water measurement that in need?

>>105578438
>>105578487
>plumb
https://youtu.be/LDzlS8NpHl8?list=RDLDzlS8NpHl8

>>105578509
these are good tracks too
https://youtu.be/6jGr5yr43W0?list=RD6jGr5yr43W0
https://youtu.be/belja8VCAog?list=RDbelja8VCAog

Good news everyone, due to recent events in the middle east, we all have (forced) employment!

>>105578579
I'm not doing manufacturing for israel.

>>105568603
>as a white person
no fuck off, I want to work.
>>105562993
manager's email plz plz plz.

Been grinding pretty hard for the past 3ish weeks to finally get a formal job title locked down in the not-too-distant future, sent out tons of letters and whatnot. So far these regulatory people have been playing hot potato with my case and keep passing me around like same, but none except one cunt has denied me directly so far. Just need to find one that's a bit more lenient when it comes to interpreting the requirements, that's the name of the game for now.

Note that i do not intend on actually working myself to death (if i'll even take up work at all rather than collecting NEETbux) after getting this job title bagged, it's not like the field pays much of anything or has truly decent career options to begin with

... But it's something i could genuinely be proud of doing professionally or just do on the side whenever i feel like it, so what the hell really.

This kind of professional fulfillment is one of the few things that's actually been missing for a very long time in my life (basically ever since i've turned 18) due to the very nontraditional path i've taken in general - Largely owing to factors way the heck outside of my direct control, but also because i had no one to show me the ropes/the people who were supposed to do so failed me quite miserably at every single turn.

I've always felt a good amount of shame from the lack of any formal vocational qualifications, acing this title however would do away with it for good. Thank you for attending my TED talk

i just spent 3 hours doing this 1 problem
https://leetcode.com/problems/largest-color-value-in-a-directed-graph

its over

>>105578993
The biggest problem with leetcode is the descriptions are intentionally dog shit.

By some stroke of luck managed to land an internship somewhere but it was at a startup and unpaid

How fucked am I as a rising senior in the US

>>105579139
>unpaid senior

>>105579148
rising senior as in last year of school

no more summers

no more internships

tried fall internships / coops but doubt those would work either

last summer i applied for a whole bunch of retail jobs and shit and it took months to even get one and it fucking sucks

>>105579164
Oh if you mean it's your last year of school then yeah an internship's good. Everywhere wants experience so any experience is better than none (though I disagree with the idea of unpaid work).

>>105579175

Hope I can actually do something within the next 2.5 months since I can already tell this startup doesn't look like it's gonna go far

worst case scenario i wonder how effectively i could beg mommy and daddy for jobs... though they weren't able to get me nepo internships

my dad's company doesn't even have an intern program because they don't trust inexperienced zoomer juniors with their codebase, and he honestly thinks i'm not missing much since "interns rarely actually do much"

ok yeah they don't, but how else do you, well, get your first fto in this damn 2025 economy

also my parents are begging me to seriously consider grad school, and want me studying for my GRE rn at this very moment along with the IT certs i'm doing

>>105579175
even in 2016 you weren't getting a job without at least 2 internships under your belt, child

>>105578022
more importantly, unlike the meme that says to apply anyway to show your backbone or whatever, you will be autorejected by an algorithm

I had a dream that I was blacklisted for applying to a job that I didn't fully meet the requirements for (I scrolled over shit I'd applied for and one was greyed out with big "BLACKLISTED" text). It wasn't an important job but the fact that they would do it spooked me (in the dream not irl).

>>105563102
When do you plan to start mailing pipe bombs?

So I got the RHCSA cert, and started applying for entry level jobs. They are all asking for experience with Winblows too. The fuck! Do I need to learn MCSA as well now to get a job?

I solved today's LC by myself without looking at hints. Am I good?

>>105580304
Experience with windows or experience with windows as an IT admin?

>>105580304
what the fuck
fuck those niggers man, you can literally rape them with just the rhcsa
they're some jeet sweat workshops

>>105580304
>cert
You don't need certs to land a job, weirdo. It's a humiliation ritual you fell for.

I wish I was unemployed but then I would have to deal with existential angst. Such is life as a retard, you can't no matter what you do.

I'm losing my mind.
Retards I've mentored are getting higher paid and more senior positions while I'm still here applying and getting no call backs.

>>105580959
was once in a similiar situation. I straight up asked whats the deal with that and that I would like some explanations or I would walk out. Immediately got a 20% pay raise. Still felt kind of shitty because they obviously wanted to fuck me over.

>>105581107
I tried that and got fired on the spot unironically despite getting the most glowing performance review in the world.

>>105578632
I didn't send any email, I wanted to tell him and my boss face to face.

>>105579604
DIY is not really my thing and I'll probably blow myself while doing them. I have thought about building a bunker as a side project though.

I have an AAS in a programming-related field. I should've known better but I thought I would maybe be able to get a job with just that but I'm a fucking retard. Couldn't even get internships. Now I've enrolled to get a full CS/SE bachelor's degree at a decent university but I know that won't be enough even if I take full advantage of the career and internship programs there.

The thing is, when I was getting my associate's, they had me take a bunch of classes that offer certification for other computer-related things like networking, cybersec, cloud, etc. that I never bothered with because I wanted to be a cooder.
So what I want to ask is, what are the employment prospects for such tech certificates? Cisco and the like. Would I be better ditching programming altogether and just going for networking or is the job market for that fucked as well?

>>105575066
update, i did it and they ask these retardedly vague questions as expected
eg: "the company generated $1500 of profit in february, true or false"
the graph says they generated $3000, it's not technically wrong if i click true right?
god i hate HR. i'd probably still rather do this shit than grind jeetcode though

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/fastest-growing.htm
So it's not enough to learn programming, you now also have to learn either information security or data science. Might be better to just get a job installing turbines and solar panels or taking care of geriatrics.

>>105581637
there are no data science jobs so I don't believe this pic whatsoever

C# and dotnet or Java and Spring?

>>105579416
Thanks to your soÿ behavior the demands keep increasing. I swear IT autists are the dumbest guys out of their fields

>>105581668

C#/.NET. Much more pleasant DX, slightly less jeeted community.

>>105581702
Take your meds

>>105581650
I haven't actually met or heard about anyone who does work as a data science or analyst, but from the description, those jobs are probably already all being taken by machine learning since it's literally what ML is good at, if nothing else: finding patterns and correlation in large amounts of data.

>>105581729
You don't have a clue at all, and that's a good thing.

had an interview today where i was asked to make a todo list using react and i failed. i was even allowed to google.

>>105581637
I can't speak for the others but nursing's being absolutely FLOODED with third worlders. Not just jeets either, other jungle asians are joining in. Even some africans.

>>105581650
I see data analyst roles quite often. Whether they're real jobs or not is another story.

>>105581808
I'd hire you if you were handsome despite failing
no homo

I'm looking at an internship opportunity that is only tangentially-related to programming/IT (it's electrician/power stuff, not even computer hardware stuff, but it's a paid internship and employee reviews say it's a good place to work).
Should I bite the bullet and take it, or would it be better to keep looking for an internship that is strictly in the tech sector (that I might never get)?

99% of my apps dont lead to anything i'm barely even interacting with humans

I'm thinking of waiting till I'm 30 (next year) and killing myself over finding a job.
Is that normal?

>>105581950
same, also 30 next year
it's more and more obvious how shit just isn't lining up

>>105581950
>>105581968
I want to do that and I'm only a recent graduate

>>105581928
i'd take it and jump ship if you get something better afterwards (assuming that happens before it starts)

>>105581839
Yes, the vast majoriry are false and the rest are typically relabeled data entry jobs.

Hardest part is accepting the thing you wanted to do and the path you wanted to take isn't viable anymore

>>105581950
why would you give up the gift of life over something trivial like a job?

>>105565949
He probably just thought you would give him access to use the installer so he can do it himself. He is probably not used to people just connecting to his pc.
>>105566513
no fucking clue but I don't even get rejection letters anymore either.
>>105568603
I HATE IT I WANT A SWITCH 2 I WANT TO ORDER DOORDASH AND BUY A CASE OF BEER WITHOUT HAVING TO TRIPLE CHECK THAT I'LL STILL HAVE ENOUGH TO PAY OFF MY CARD FOR THE MONTH. But noooooo I have to eat rice and chicken and meal prep just so I don't starve to death.
>>105569832
Have you gotten the "just go to their office and hand your resume to whoever is at the front desk" talk yet?

>>105581713
>slightly less jeeted community.
Not anymore.

>>105582301
>trivial
>literally the right to live ij modern soisiety

>>105560300 (OP)
unemployed bros.. how much time a day are you spending mass applying to jobs

>>105583352
Every day. Getting a few bites but mostly email rejections. I'm a senior engineer btw. And anyone that has reached out to me are very slow in confirming or moving things along. Slowest I've ever seen.

But hey at least indians are getting the jobs.

>>105583352
Like 3 hours a day until I start crying

>>105583352
i fumbled something as easy as >>105581808
so im gonna have to learn how to code first

>>105583352
Zero.
I have a year and 11 months of unemployment bucks, So I'll get there in a year and 10 months.

nta but Im limited to only 15K. Im already at 3K of it (2K every month) so Im on a time limit.

>>105583367
>>105583369
>>105583371
>>105583396
I got fired 2 weeks ago i am not looking forward to applying.. even the shit job i just lost took me a year and half post covid to get in 2021.

>>105583445
my last job took me three months to get. Im currently at unemployed 6 months.

using the unemployment time to learn2code and build some cool stuff i've wanted to for a while. we are all going to die anyway so might as well make the most of what we have

>>105560300 (OP)
I'm getting tired of my current job. It's getting annoying

>>105568420
This kek. I'm not giving my resume to a 4chan random user, the fuck?

>>105562194
can you review mine ?
have applies to many places but no call backs
https://files.catbox.moe/yv4mu3.pdf

>>105562194
I would've done that maybe (probably) but I'm too lazy to anonymize all the information on my resume just for advice from some random anon

>>105583608
>Won Gold medal in IMO
really nigga?

>>105583608
sorry forgot to update github link, changed username recently
new github is https://github.com/keys-i

>>105583630
it's obviously a joke resume but even if it wasn't, he would have no issue getting nepo-hired by another jeet manager on h1b visa because of the absolute state of the tech industry.

Anyone on L1 visa here? What are you going to do if they lay you off?

>>105583664
it's actually not, if you can believe it
this is the resume of some indian guy who had been hanging around a tech discord I run, he sent it for me to review lmao
but you're right that I'm trolling, at least. Any self-respecting person makes their resume in LaTeX
also all the "projects" he lists are untouched forks from other people's repos kek
it was unironically the worst resume I've ever seen, which is why I saved it

he's probably making more than both of us at the moment working at some jeet-infested American company...

>>105570862
I was in a similar position, you have to make some shit up. Eg. you were a contractor, or doing some research. Be prepared to talk about it during interviews. Timing works well here - in 2 months you'll be able to claim that your typical 12 month contract is expiring and you're looking for new opportunities. Don't give up, it's not hopeless.

>>105574469
yeah all those jobs are filled with latin americans that dont even speak english its fucking grim.

>>105583736
This is true, bonus points if you have an LLC you can point to

>>105583773
yeah basically lol that's all you need. anyone here interested in cloud engineering? we're hiring remote US

>looking through leddit on some IT and CS forums
>every post is just suffering and bemoaning the job market
>most people can't even get shit work they're obscenely overqualified for
>everyone else trying to tell them "you fucked up", "you need X cert", "you should have gotten an internship", "your college sucks lmao", "your projects are shit and you should kill yourself", "what you don't 10 hours a day then study and leetcode for 6? You obviously can't make it in tech"
>every 20 posts see an Indian asking a question
>every single one has overinflated roles and titles with little experience asking simple questions
>hello saars Im first year fresher from hyperabad and good engineer. Im devops engineer guru for facebook, but I receive offer from google for senior site reliability engineer. how do I use git? how to script? What's a cloud?
>come to the realization that all of the lies they tell us about what we NEED to do do not apply to Indians
>they don't leetcode, home lab, contribute to open source, grind out certs
>they just "learn" on the job like how it used to be
>even if you offered to work for 10 dollars an hour they still wouldn't take you because you didn't follow the "western" path when the jeets get everything handed to them
I'm not sure I'm going to make it bros...

Ghosted again…

>>105584712
just become indian

>>105584712
I know of a couple of white guys who got programming jobs at major companies right out of college in the past couple of years and I'm legit curious how. The universities they graduated from supposedly had good career services so I wonder if that's all it takes, having an advisor/professor set you up with a job, just another type of nepotism or "networking".

>>105584712
Saar, all your job belong to us, Saar.
Best code ever in C++ 23:
int main() <%%>
%:include
auto $(<::>(this auto g, auto n) -> bool <%
auto bitand $<%std::cout%>;
return n <= 100 and (
$ << "FizzBuzz\0::Fizz" + 15 - not(n % 3) * 4 - not(n % 5) * 11,
n % 3 and n % 5 and $ << n, $ << '\n', g(n + 1));
%>(1));

>>105584712
>>come to the realization that all of the lies they tell us about what we NEED to do do not apply to Indians
Here's the redpill. Over ten years ago, everyone was treated like Indians as far as requirements and lenancy. Now they treat anyone domestic like a leech or bad person. Indians dont have to be in the office. They don't have to test their knowledge. They just are accepted. It's the ultimate bitchslap from companies.

>>105560300 (OP)
Had anyone ever tried sending a resume through the post office

>>105585009
I'm now too poor to try that out.

>>105584980
>from companies.
*from the indian middle-managers that were slowly hired over the past decade

>>105585025
It costs a dollar

>>105585049
That too. Tool many engineering departments at companies with mostly indians.

>>105584712
It's all because some years ago some jeets got management positions and decided to only hire other jeets and they won't suffer legal repercussions because it's only bad when wypipo do it.
Outside of working for a defense contractor, are there any industries left for educated white guys?

>>105585009
The mail room guys are probably told to shred anything that looks like a resume.

>>105585052
yep!

>>105585062
>Outside of working for a defense contractor, are there any industries left for educated white guys?
There's a few but not enough. Most companies IT department is all indians. Go check any company you know or is even local.

>>105584712
corporations are to be blamed
you should unionize too

>>105585099
>you should unionize too
No don't do that stupid shit. Unions are just as bad if not worse.

Instead learn to market yourself.

Fuck I know it looks bad but I'm not gonna doomer yet.

>>105584712
>everyone else trying to tell them "you fucked up", "you need X cert", "you should have gotten an internship", "your college sucks lmao", "your projects are shit and you should kill yourself", "what you don't 10 hours a day then study and leetcode for 6? You obviously can't make it in tech"
How much of that is just blind leading the blind? I see lots of posts of people talking about grinding out leetcode but very few posts of people actually getting hired that way. Makes me wonder if it's just a meme. How and why did people the people who got hired (not on H1b), get hired?

>>105585238
>How and why did people the people who got hired (not on H1b), get hired?
nepotism

I'm thinking on quitting coding, there are other comfy jobs

>Company I joined a few months ago replaced some dudes who genuinely know their shit with a bunch of jeets in India because "muh cost structure"
>It took them 3 days to do a single fucking ticket with all 5 of them working on it
I need to get out of here.

>>105585811
That's my experience in two separate companies who outsourced. Whats funny is when we're in a team meeting, and the one indian has kids talking in the background. Always noisy.

>>105585528
like what

feels good to be an onprem stuck in the mud oldfag right now. fuck your cloud and fuck your cdn. the drive to put all our collective eggs in one pajeet-run basket will destroy western civilization
https://techcrunch.com/2025/06/12/google-cloud-outage-brings-down-a-lot-of-the-internet/

>>105585811
>>105585855
does the management just not care? Surely they have to notice the dramatic decrease in quality and professionalism?
I have to wonder how long it'll take for all the legacy companies that outsourced all their engineering talent to get outcompeted by the smaller, more lean companies that didn't
the US is known for having relatively high-quality talent in regard to many other countries, I can't imagine giving away that benefit to hire cheap work abroad will be a good idea in the long-run

>>105585918
They dont. Cuts costs so they take it.

>>105585918
>does the management just not care?
My direct manager does because he gives as hit, anyone above that just sees a salary on a sheet and decides it's too much
>Surely they have to notice the dramatic decrease in quality and professionalism?
Don't care as long as customers still buy the product

The last company I worked for did the same and it ended up being a fucking disaster for them, they had to re-hire a whole new team in the UK.

>>105585935
>Don't care as long as customers still buy the product
How long will that really last though, is my question
I can't help but think offshoring engineers is like infesting the company with termites
they rot the foundation slowly & invisibly until it becomes apparent years down the line
give it 5-10 years and I suspect they'll suddenly see all their competitors making strides and be left wondering why they can't seem to do the same
HP offshored 60% of their jobs starting around 2015, and look at them now. I'm sure they're not the only example
>The last company I worked for did the same and it ended up being a fucking disaster for them, they had to re-hire a whole new team in the UK.
Either we'll start hearing a whole lot more stories like this, stories about larger companies losing marketshare to smaller startups, or nothing will happen and we're all in for a world of trouble

>>105585991
People have noticed that software has been becoming increasingly shitty for nearly a decade now and yet all major companies keep pushing that shitty software and there's no significant competitor other than the open-source community.
If not hiring/outsourcing to shitty jeetdevs and not publishing shitty software was economically viable, then a company would be doing it by now.

>too dumb for CS job
>all the coding shit on my resume looks unappealing everywhere else
>years out of college with nothing
Should have gone to grad school

>>105581719
Take your own meds retard. Learn sword swallowing next time to improve your chances to get hired by Goldstein

From the GenZ sub. In a similar boat (except I have sth though it's unpaid)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1l06r0p/what_should_i_study_if_the_computer_science_job/

>>105586188
>first comment to tell it as it is gets downvoted
ah reddit, never change

>>105586188
That particular redditor seems quite unstable as other redditors have pointed out and there's probably some things he's not mentioning about his situation, I think it's different from just being unable to compete or meet requirements in his case. I think I can get pretty off my rocker at times but not even I would smash my computer over the state of the job market. Part of the reasons they do hiring interviews is so they can suss out the type of people who will probably go postal in the office.

He's still in his 3rd year of college which is still plenty of time to get internships, at least he's trying to do that before he's close to graduating unlike a certain retard (me).

How fucked am I if it's been a year since graduation and I still haven't gotten a job? I didn't even do any internships because I kept forgetting.

>>105586454
you don't have to ask, retard

>>105586454
In the same boat. It's been a year since graduating and haven't even gotten an interview. Even after getting comptia and aws certs. Genuinely have no clue what I can even do to be a better candidate because the rejection email is automated slop that won't reply back.

>>105586202
I used css to remove all votes. Not reddit looks normal

>>105560300 (OP)
Is it true that transitioning to development from IT is almost impossible nowadays? Ive decided to try my hand at getting into IT through getting some certs (trifecta first then who knows what later) and wanted to know if its just a waste of time and money. Doing projects and leetcode feels like a complete waste of time too when I have 0 years of experience in software and a 2023 degree

>>105586454
>>105586501
Things are very dire for you. The market has become one where only the cream of the crop get by. I'd say get any job at all for some kind of experience until things hopefully recover.

>>105586594
I should have went to law school...

>>105573263
I used to be a SWE at a startup. The office had free coffee and I got my work done by wednesday and through testing by thursday, sprint planning by 2pm friday and on to the weekend. now I hold a stop/slow paddle at a construction site. recruiters are scum

>>105586501
what does your resume look like? maybe try following this guide if you haven't already
https://old.reddit.com/r/EngineeringResumes/wiki/index

>>105586651
For the most part I was already following that. The only difference was I had some things in bold, like dates of employment and enrollment or uni name and internship company. My alumni career services team said that the section order for new grads should be summary>skills>certs>education>experience. That order is almost a complete 180 from the guide you sent (and what i was using previously before meeting with them).

>>105586643
I can't imagine any field is doing very well right now.

>>105586594
>The market has become one where only the cream of the crop get by.
What's with this cope lol? They're hiring indians en masse and you'll never be as cheap as them. If you can't get in with nepotism, stop dreaming just forget about it.

>>105586853
interesting, sorry to hear that then. i'm surprised your career services team put certs over education, surely a degree is worth more than a comptia/aws cert that'll expire in 3 years anyway right?
personally i'd go education > skills > experience (your internship) > projects > certs.
as for a summary, i only include one if it's a normie non tech company (banks, insurance etc) or if i want to highlight specific experience/skills that aren't immediately obvious otherwise (ex: a few years of hobbyist experience with some of their stack)

>>105586879
I don't want to nepotism-max. It feels like cheating. I probably could if I tried hard enough but I hate asking for help. It's basically admitting that you're a bitch and can't do it yourself.

>>105586879
Anti-Indian sentiments have been increasing at an alarming rate and we're going to see what effects their hiring will have on products coming. It might not last.

>>105586313
are you retarded he said he was FINISHING his 3rd year dumbass

i truly wouldn't be surprised if within the next 5 years we get some megalomaniac zoomer from a suburban college-educated background who does some kind of mass act of violence due to being unable to land jobs in this job market

>>105586879
>>105586926

the fuck are you on about nepomaxxing is good and if you're in a position where you can nepomax or if nepomaxxing = the best option, do it by all means, unless your family is super fucked up or something

>>105578721
hey anon, just wanted to say keep going
you seem like a decent dude, you shouldn't be ashamed of anything and your attitude towards work and life is all good
t. workaholic overachiever with a PhD

>>105578721
>it's not like the field pays much of anything or has truly decent career options to begin with
Yeah, not with your attitude it doesn't.

>>105573263
"WE WUZ SWES AND SHIT"

>>105586501
One of my friends has a sibling who did IT and is 1 whole year after graduation. I've been told the sibling couldn't do much technically and lacked quite a bit on the experience side, and now just sits at home with an IT help desk job and is trying to get promoted, which... tough shot if they've forgotten everything they've learned in college about IT.

>>105588078
>tough shot if they've forgotten everything they've learned in college about IT.
gotta be hard considering college teaches you jack shit in the first place
>t. self-teaching myself fucking everything while in uni

>>105588092
cs is like that too pretty much. especially with gpt

>>105569216
i associate the term more with filipinos, what's the filipino version of "pajeet" or "chink"

>>105583939
I would trust the posters here to be better programmers than an indian who's worked at a FAGMAN company.

>>105588441
Can confirm the bar for code quality is very low

I can't even join the fucking military as a backup plan because I'm a certified autist (at least in enough capacity to have needed accommodations in class)

>>105584712
it's truely bizarre. even non-indian and even non-tech companies are hiring exclusively indians now

>>105560300 (OP)
why do I feel like I'm not cut out for programming or computers in general when I read all this basic knowledge everyone seems to know about computers but then when I pop a vyvanse and boot up some webdev or gamedev I cook?

>>105585918
>Surely they have to notice the dramatic decrease in quality and professionalism?
number went up so it doesnt matter
>I have to wonder how long it'll take for all the legacy companies that outsourced all their engineering talent to get outcompeted by the smaller, more lean companies that didn't
"smaller, more lean companies" don't actually make or do anything in the US and are merely financial instruments. they exist to come up with a hype idea and get bought out

>>105588179
it's all the same to me. Dirty animals larping as humans that should stay in their lane

>>105587798
>t. workaholic overachiever with a PhD
Literally me. Also 4 years of exp including FAGMAN. Can't find a job in my specialization, haven't been able to find a postdoc since I got the degree and I'm a few months away from forever be banned from postdocs (so my entire acadeic career is over). Even if I miracled into a postdoc I wouls be too close to the end window to apply to faculty positions and wouldn't be able to get the now mandatory 6 years of postdoc exp, so I would still be doomed.
Industry research hasn't been a thing in ages and I don't get answers even to things precisely in my PhD topic where I am far more experienced than they ask.
As doe other industry jobs I've been laid off 1 month after a promotion with a fat raise and can't find anything.

>>105588723
The military wants computer nerds too.

>>105589510
they don't accept people with certified mental issues. It's why I never got my doctors' asperger's diagnostic actually written down

>>105589567
I don't think aspergers qualifies as a mental issue. If you're autistically good at something and follow orders they'll probably take you. They've been lowering enlistment standards constantly over the past years too.

>>105589590
If it's certified it counts. If it's not certified it's OK. That was my point.

What the hell is IT Analyst? Is this a good position?

>>105588723
Sort of same, I just have more physical disabilities that would prevent me from going. Not that I'd want to though. I don't want to go through boot camp and all that shit if I'm just suppose to be someone behind a computer anyway.

>>105589671
That job title is a "you do whatever the hell we want you to do" job title. It could be doing tech support, it could be doing project coordination/management, it could be reasonably technical, or any number of other things. Read the job description.

>>105589453
I would also prefer just being a professor but I got married recently and I can't afford the years of minimum wage postdocs until a position maybe frees up

I was employed for a year and I've been unemployed for 6 months. During these 6 months I've been working on a pretty insane portfolio, easily averaging 10h a day, weekends included. It really isn't making any difference.

I don't feel discouraged myself because this kind of humiliation and lack of recognition is just what I'm used to in academia, but I wouldn't advise anyone who's not mentally ill to pursue this career.

>>105588078
i'll even take a help desk job I don't care I'm not picky

>>105586083
Software often ends up as a natural monopoly, since it scales so well and often benefits from network effects, so a single company can crush all competition and become almost impossible to compete against.
Once they reach that point nothing left to do but to abuse their position for everything they can

>>105586454
>>105586501
cold DMs to hiring managers, founders. hiring threads on reddit, discord, x will often have either founders directly posting or people willing to refer. don't waste your time applying on job portals if you don't have experience.

>>105590500
what kind of jobs are you applying to?

>>105589510
>>105589567
>>105589590
>>105589661
my autistry is certified enough to have seen zillions of shrinks, get tortured to hell in back in both my school district and one sped school, and need one accommodation in college

i stole a copy of my iep from mommy dearest and there's a line saying "classification: autistic" or something

and yes i'm aware there are absolute trainspotter numbnuts working for uncle sam but they get a lucky break since they don't have any official papers saying they're retarded (or were born too early to)

>>105591307
everyone is mentally ill to some degree. i wouldn't pathologize mine even if there was an official diagnosis. just brush it off do what you have to do

>>105591289
Dev/DevOps, a lot of my portfolio has been re-implementing and deploying popular apps or apps from the companies I'm applying to. I actually put one into video and it got a lot of views, and I made a website for an AI service that got like 500k users at some point.

I even made a proto-cloud using local hardware that was pretty decent and showed it scaling up to 20k workloads because I wanted to apply to AWS. Obviously it didn't matter but whatever, I'm getting pretty skilled.

Right now I got a bit obsessed with making my own Kubernetes/Nomad alternative because in my experience that shit is pretty unstable and overrated, I'm studying the big distributed computing papers and the prototypes I've made so far are pretty promising. Not sure what I'd do with this if I even managed it though, probably another demo with 100k workloads and fucking with nodes to show off self healing.

My CV shows this off pretty well, I'm not autistic at all and at least normie level charismatic during calls.

I'm starting to think about trying to monetize this stuff myself, but that's a whole different game. I don't know why nobody will employ me, I have no interest in any of the business/user side but I'm pretty good at solving problems. Their loss I guess.

>>105591381
do you have any devops work experience? recruiters aren't technically well versed enough to gauge the quality of your projects. they mostly look at your experience.
try cold DMing founders or people who could refer you. they usually do look at your projects.

>>105591484
yes I do, and I lie about having 3 yoe instead of 1

>founders
I'd rather work at McDonald's than a startup anon, and I actually have done that already. Three times, they all made me go through a take-home "interview" which I could tell was just solving one of their core problems.

>funded AI bullshit startup
made me write a FUSE driver in C with specific requirements, after I did and demo'd it, he kept asking questions until I told him that I completed his task and he should give me an answer now. He ghosted me then.

>funded drone startup
gave me a problem input and asked to optimize a path to get the optimal score. Optimization is my bread and butter, I formally proved that his score was not the optimal score and I wrote a genetic algo that gave me a better score. Once again, took my solution and rejected me on account of "not being a good fit"

>another ai bullshit
by then I was already jaded about startups, I just refused their take home, they pretended to give me an offer and on the last stage asked me to solve a take home again after 4 interviews.

startups are the devil anon

as for referrals I've run out, I have friends that have tried to wedge me in dozens of times with no success.

>>105591329
retard ik YOU dgaf

but what about colonel john f. holloway of the 420th battalion

(wanted to post a solder wojak and i might just be a newfag but 4chan image uploads are being gay af)

>>105590500
Absolutely. Right now I'm spending my time trying to start a startup but this country is so fucked it takes 6 months to register a company. Looking for jobs on the side but mostly given up on the prospect. The market is insane (beside, going the startup route would be cool). Originally my plan was to be a prof so I could use thr safety, budget and access to reduce costs and start something but that's not happening. Instead it's make it or go bankrupt apparently).

>>105591307
precisely

>>105591567
Worked at 3 startups and 1 fagman. Doing startup 4 soon. First, I have only gotten to a human twice at anything not a startup..Second, they immediately failed me for knowing X and not X' before ever getting technical, and no amount of 'I can learn' or 'I know some of it' ever helped. The startups I joined were a shitshow in 2/3 cases and the 4th is legalAI bullshit. But they always paid well and the bullshit politics and mid pay at fagman can suck a dick.

>>105592024
are you in the US? if so that might be why, I'm Canadian and we don't really have a startup ecosystem. I also don't have access to US market because I'm not Indian (yes I've tried)

>>105592045
No. First 2 startups and fagman were in Canada (montreal-based, and by the way they all moved to toronto after the language shit tightened). Other 2 are in yurop.

>>105592045
Also I totally hear you on the US question. We have TN status, we don't even need sponsorship, but companies pretend like that'a not a thing, or worse. Was easier to go to europe despite needing sponsorship there. That is not normal.

>>105592150
>>105592166
ugh, stop making me want to apply to startups again

it was so humiliating, I might commit a crime in Minecraft if I get another middle aged scamming loser wasting my time