>Interviewing
Neetcode 150: https://neetcode.io/practice
Tips and interview practice: https://blog.interviewing.io/

>How to write a resume
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/25/how-to-write-an-effective-developer-resume-advice-from-a-hiring-manager/

>Salary Stuff
"What's your expected salary?": https://www.fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/salary-expectations-interview-question/
Negotiation advice: https://github.com/petermekhaeil/salary-negotiating
Salary data: https://levels.fyi/

>Software Development & Programming
GitHub Trending - https://github.com/trending
DevDocs - https://devdocs.io/
JavaScript, CSS, HTML sandbox - https://jsfiddle.net/
MDN Web Docs - https://developer.mozilla.org/
Stack Overflow Blog - https://stackoverflow.blog/

>IT Operations & Infrastructure
AWS Service Health Dashboard - https://status.aws.amazon.com/
Cloudflare System Status - https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
DownDetector - https://downdetector.com/
Microsoft Azure Status - https://status.azure.com/
Microsoft Office 365 Status - https://portal.office.com/servicestatus

>Unemployment Advice
Interview Prep - https://www.wikihow.com/Ask-Your-Parents-for-Money
Building a Resume - https://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Manifesto
Salary Stuff - https://www.usa.gov/benefit-finder/disability
Emotional Support - https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods
People who will be joining us shortly - https://layoffs.fyi

>International Job Boards
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/
Indeed - https://www.indeed.com/
Hiring Cafe - https://hiring.cafe/
YCombinator - https://www.workatastartup.com/companies
Wellfound - https://wellfound.com/jobs

>Anti-Pajeet Job Boards
USAJobs - https://www.usajobs.gov/
Clearancejobs - https://www.clearancejobs.com/

Previous: >>105560300

Why is it so difficult for HR to even send a rejection email?

>>105594872
because they got hundred of applicants for each of their job offers, faggot

>>105594882
I did a screening and a technical interview on Monday already which I did pretty well at, but I haven't heard anything back.

>>105594911
You weren't good enough, why the fuck would I waste my time sending you a rejection email when silence conveys the same message? Unironically kill yourself faggot.

This is a Le Sserafim board

>>105594882
So why the fuck isn't that automated?

>>105594797 (OP)
more bugs in that webm that in a day of programming

>>105595286
East Asian women are God's gift to humanity

>have a CCNP but no experience
>spending the weekend studying active directory and m365 GUIs so I can prepare for a help desk interview
>know that I'm going to have to work 8-10 hours a day then study for another 4+ each day just to escape help desk
someone please kill me

I keep compulsively checking my email even though I know I'm not gonna hear anything back

so uh... wind turbines, amirite? haha

>>105595476
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/5347794-trump-opposes-wind-energy/

“We’re not going to let windmills get built because we’re not going to destroy our country any further than it’s already been destroyed,” Trump said.

>>105595510
fuck, i guess it's retail and foodservice as my backup option then

>>105595510
Wind and Solar energy are a meme.
Nuclear was, is, and always will be the future, fuck the media and incompetent Russians for poisoning the well.

>>105595335
Your fault for going into networking

Reminder that it is entirely your fault and your fault alone that you are undesirable and unemployed.

>>105596489
nuclear is a logistics nightmare and it's expensive. spin up time is a massive 10-20 years and isn't modular like other power sources. solar and gas/coal are the future, nuclear is shit and it has nothing to do with safety.

should I join the army reserves?

>so many job offers
>don't wanna take any cause i hate working in tech
any suggestions?
i honestly don't mind slaving away in a physical labor job for 12 hours a day cause I'm not an obese fatass

>>105598871
are the tech jobs a pay rise?

>>105594882
but they have automation software. They can autosend to everyone marked no. Literally 1 button click. Have you never used an erp before?

>>105596489
Hydro is the best power source we have by far. Ocean current and solar are OK, wind is dogshit. Nuclear is a decent backup but until it has a 100% (not merely 99%) recycle rate it is not good enough for a main power source>>105598358

>>105599004
No but we can start right now, big guy...

>>105599056
that's 'doing' erp, not 'using' erp. You creep!

>>105594797 (OP)
Would getting a PhD improve my cahnces?

>>105599634
Decrease sharply. Been there done that.

>>105594797 (OP)
sex

Where the fuck are all the database programmer job openings?
Before I graduated I had a professor tell the class that SQL programming is guaranteed employment that doesn't pay terribly because not a lot of CS graduates go into it because they think it's not "real programming", yet I haven't found a single fucking posting for one. Was that just CS professor equivalent of boomer advice?

I haven't got a job offer since I started openly transitioning. I thought they were looking for diversity these days. I have a good resume with Rust and C#. I know tons about databases. Why won't anyone hire me?

>>105600109
it's part of backend developer role now i think

>>105600109
>database programmer
No such thing
Either you go data analyst monkey or do backend

>>105600109
hasn't existed since the early 00's. Been folded into either sysadmin and then cloudshitops or backend and now fullstack depending on the exact duties.

>>105600109
>>105600485
>>105600518
>>105600605
Not entirely true.

If it's a regular database (Postgres, Mongo), yes SRE/DevOps/the backend dev themselves may manage it.

Otherwise if the company wants good BI work, they will want to have a data warehouse of sorts. Right now Snowflake dominates that market. Even my smallish startup keeps one guy (me) for ETL operations and platforms from our systems to Snowflake. I also have to go tell other teams to do shit to make my job easier on their own db structure.

>>105594797 (OP)
I LOVE LESSERAFIM
who's your favorite bros? i like kkura

>>105594797 (OP)
Damn, is it really that bad out there? I just got a 5% boost at my job and recently passed AZ-104 to pivot into the cloud, but having that cert alone is not having people reach out to me. Any suggestions on how I should go about building a portfolio?

>>105601253
What shithole country are you from to be 20 years behind the zeitgeist like this? This is handled by a mix of backend, devops and data niggers in the real world, sure as hell not 'sql programmers'.

>>105601363
The US you stupid faggot. I also do some of the BI on slow days but that's it's own team.
I know you think you're hot shit for being a 2nd world citizen, but the actual 1st world doesn't care.

>>105601529
OK pajeet calm down. I'm sure you'll make it out of hyderabad permanently some day. I believe in you!

>>105601307
kazuha

I'm indian and unemployed. yes, we exist.

>>105601936
You have to go back.

>>105601956
where? i live in bharat

>>105601307
Chimp

Has anyone had any success with career programs at university?

>>105603223
like what?

>>105603270
like did a career program at a university actually set you up with an internship or a job?
did they give you a chance to talk to any recruiters or make connections in the industry?

>>105594797 (OP)
>>105601640
>>105602033
>Skinny gook women
Absolutely disgusting. Real men prefer slampigs.

>>105603308
NTA but personally no, and their CV/resume advice was absolute fucking dogshit lol

>>105603308
This was 15 years ago... but no
To graduate, I was required to do a mock interview with them, but that was it. They had some career fairs every spring, but I went to a small regional public school so it was mostly for other types of jobs. I was 1 of only 3 CS grads that year. One of my professors did help me get an internship the year before, but it was basically pure luck... someone from the company was cold emailing universities asking for potential interns, and he sent my resume in. I ended up doing a quick phone interview like a week before end of semester and then had to rush to move down there for the summer. I ended up working for them after graduation since it was 2009 and the economy was shit. I actually didn't have to do my first real interview until I changed jobs when I was 32. I don't know if there's any lessons to learn in my story desu.

Worried about my future

>>105602002
good, tell you friends and family to stay there as well

>>105599644
Why would having more credentials hurt your odds?

>t. Planning to get PhD

>>105603308
Go to a somewhat well-known STEM uni in the region and they're actually pretty good about that.
but they're a bit unique (recruiters actually pay the uni to attend our career fair)

>>105604114
People assume you are too stuck in your ways just because you have a phd. I have no clue where that comes from.but that's a thing. Also you are 5 years older but don't count as having 5 years more experience even if what you did was more involved and 3x more weekly hours than what you would be doing on the job. Ageism is a thing.

>t. made the mistake of getting a phd

>>105594872
why would they? you mean nothing to them. You arent worth 5s.

>>105603373
>>105603393
Unfortunate to hear, this could just be a waste of time for me then

>>105604134
I'm hoping to start at one of the best CS universities in my state this fall to finish my degree so hopefully it works out like that

what are my unemployed bros up to rn? how many jobs you applied to today i did about 11 might do some more later but fuck it sucks knowing ill get ghosted by all of them lol

>>105604740
I gooned all day so I don't try to goon tomorrow when I should be busy applying
Because it's sunday (hope I don't have to goon tomorrow).

>>105594872
id rather not get one. i recently got one and they said i "need to work on communication skills"
but im not trained in corporatespeak and i speak my mind
thats better communication skills imo

>>105600485
I'm starting to think every imaginable thing that has to do with SWE is now part of the backend developer role, including things that are frontend. I keep bombing interviews because everyone expects you to know how to write and then launch your own version of YouTube from scratch.

>>105603362
She looks hideous. I'm almost glad I'm a wizard that never stooped to fucking someone that let themselves go like this if this is what I'd have had burned into my memories. The worst part is she doesn't even look that bad when you consider the blimps you'd find at customer service desks that are even bigger than her.

>>105600109
Is there anything worse than a boomer?

is there any chance of the job market getting better in the next few years

>>105605152
Have sex and seek employment.

Hi I'm a t/o/urist who works in tech, let me just say that the foundation to get a (good) software engineering job started in high school for me... if you're in college right now and have suddenly "woken up" then it is probably too late.

guys I got a job!!!
125k! it's been over a year! thanks guys!

>>105607366
good job

>>105606663
Probably not. Things are still getting worse if anything.

>>105607366
now make your way to /twg/

>>105607366
First job in the tech sector or do you have experience?

>>105607635
2 years exp

My manager has specifically requested I say "JIRAs" and not "tickets". I've been saying tickets for the last two years, it has never caused any confusion. I don't know why she's saying this.

>>105607670
Ah...
>tfw no years of experience
Well that's a nice pay for two years so congrats.

>>105607703
I was unemployable after getting my degree for 6 years, I ended up getting a job at a place called revature, it's aweful, underpaid, hell but it gave me the experience needed to get a real job finally

>>105607861
Doxxed

>Register on a freelance site
>It asks for selfie + id for verification
Is this inevitable? I'm too paranoid to do this

>>105607920
I'd give that a miss

>>105607947
I'd give it to your miss

>>105605067
Frankly if you want to do webshit you should 100% be able to do it at the fresh grad level. I don't know why you zoomers are like this. You expect to never get beyond hello world and still get hired. In our time we raged against jeetcode but it was for the opposite reason you are angry at basic tech interviews: jeetcode is pure memorization that even people like you can ace, yet has 0 relevance to the job. Tech interviews before jeetcode were about solving basic problems like making a simple youtube clone or designing the architecture of a small crud-like enterpriseware or very basic fizzbuzz like tasks like inverting a binary tree.
Things that are impossible not to know if you can program at all.
Why do you cry over having it this easy? How much more coddling do you need to be satisfied?

>>105607366
>>105607670
based. this has inspired me to start sending out applications again. currently making 50k, hit 2yoe a few months ago

>>105606663
Based on historical data it will take at least 5 or so years before it improves

>>105608089
Based on AI improvments it will only get worse

>>105607861
Revature is a very big and wellknown indian sweatshop. They also only take people with broken resumes (e.g. massive gaps with no exp, multiple jobs that never lasted until probation). Otherwise they autoreject.

>>105608098
Based on you believing this shit you deserve to never have a job in this field

>>105608082
oh? is jeetcode finally going out of style now? Idk what kind of interviews that anon's getting, maybe he is in fact retarded but it's also true that some companies don't actually intend to hire anyone for the role and give impossible shit to do in 30 minutes or whatever. they just wanna claim they can't find qualified workers and then go hire pajeets, or they have someone lined up internally, etc. in that case from the start he was never meant to win

>>105608107
Burying your head in the sand when faced with AI improvements will not change reality. It might not have much impact on senior devs, but companies are investing a lot to phase out lower-skilled roles.

I'm pretty sure the best jobs out there are mid-sized, 50-100 employee government subcontractors. Big companies like Grumman and Lockheed don't actually have their programmers do anything, they're just writing proposals and dancing around red-tape and hiring subcontractors to do it for them. The subcontractors are all ran by a bunch of based old dudes in their 50s in small towns in Texas, Alabama, and Florida; don't make you take any programming tests before hiring; all require US citizenship so your job can never be given out to India; still pay pretty good and let you work on whatever you want.

Trouble is, where do I find them? I know they're out there by the thousands - but if they don't post on job message boards I need to go hunt them down to find out they even exist. I think when our parents told us we need to "hit the bricks" and just cold-call companies with our resume, this was a meme 15 years ago but today it's gotta be the best way to find a job unironically.

>>105608151
>they're just writing proposals and dancing around red-tape and hiring subcontractors to do it for them
can confirm this is what i do. it's remote too, i go to a couple meetings in the morning and practically clock out.
i make 50k though which is lowkey peanuts tier where i live.
>don't make you take any programming tests before hiring
this too. had a call with HR, then i basically just told a lady that i liked AI stuff and she was impressed. then next interview another older guy talked for 30 min about his whole carreer story and i made face gestures of interest (smile/nod) and then he said he liked me and would tell them to give mee an offer.

>>105598862
no

>>105608215
>this too. had a call with HR, then i basically just told a lady that i liked AI stuff and she was impressed. then next interview another older guy talked for 30 min about his whole carreer story and i made face gestures of interest (smile/nod) and then he said he liked me and would tell them to give mee an offer.
I interviewed at the few local places around me and had the exact same experience. You listen to the senior programmers tell their life story and try to be as enthusiastic as you can. I didn't get the job offers sadly but I was also incredibly rusty, I had been at my last job for 10 years right out of college so had barely any interview experience (and my programming skills, beyond what my last job asked of me, were pretty damn rusty, so when they asked me basic questions about cmake and threading I kind of stammered through it).

where are the jobs

>>105608112
Jeetcode is startinf, in some spheres, to go out of style in large parts due to rampant llm based cheating (because poos can cheat but others aren't allowed). Yes of course companies continue doing fake hiring, but that's a totally different topic. Anon wouls have emphasized it if the limiting condition was time or scope and not topic. Any further reply from him will be damage control.

>>105608120
this post reveals more about your competence than you could ever imagine.

if I took one year off work because I just wanted to am I supposed to write about that on my resume or just ignore it

>>105608343
this post reveals more about your cope than you could ever imagine.

>>105608353
Lie and say you took the year off to take college courses or something, but not enough that you would have a diploma to prove it, or say you were taking care of a sick relative. Always lie.

Are there public repos of stolen exam questions for Microsoft certificates?

>>105608576
jeetcode claims to have questions that have been asked in interviews for big FAGMAN companies like Microsoft but you gotta pay $35 a month for it

>>105608616
I already have a job so I'm not interested in the interview questions. But my current employer wants me to do these azure certifications.

>>105608635
>my current employer
wrong thread buddy

>>105608738
My bad

>>105595265
This anon gets it. Automation is what a lot of these companies want right now. I even started building my own systems to sell. Saw some interest during a couple of my recent interviews so, hopefully I can either get a job or a client out of it.

Are any of those job boards in the OP good? I haven't had much luck with Indeed and no luck at all with Linkedin.

>>105598358
If the recruiters select candidates based on competence, yes; if the recruiters select candidates based on absence of autistic symptoms, no

>>105609250
Indeed is just old ads crossposted from linkedin and closed 2 years ago. Linkedin is where all the fresh jobs get posted. Even if you go straight to the company site, they often just redirect to linkedin. Otherwise linkedin has all the jobs so use it to search and directly apply on the comoany site ans not through the apply link from linkedin because many companies use the referrer tag and autoreject those who apply this way

>>105609292
Interesting. I'll have to give that a go, thanks.

>>105609292
>because many companies use the referrer tag and autoreject those who apply this way
Why would they do that??

>>105609344
They think it helps reduce automated applications e.g. bots and jeets.

>applied to a job
>thought i was perfect for the role
>two weeks gone by and still no answer
>one friend i should let it be, one friend says i should call up and ask if they got in my application

>>105594797 (OP)
what are they dancing

>>105609542
I'm siding with first friend.
Second friend seems to think the email/CV file upload got lost on the way there lmao
Ghosting is insanely common, just see on reddit where niggas are applying to 1000 places and 600 of them ghost em, the rest send them rejection emails.

>can't find job
>still program for shits and giggles

Work for a startup for free/ownership %, it's probably a lot more resume impressive than your GitHub.

>>105609732
hell I'd do it if I knew where to find a deal like that. i get government bux anyway

>>105609542
Always cal up. 99% chance they tell you you got rejected, but 1% over 2000 applications does add up

>>105609732
Startups don't want to hire for equity like that anymore, they only want super rockstar ninjas as founding engineers because it helps get vc funding

>>105609806
I'm waiting for my company registration to clear (2 months waiting so far. One of the few things I hate in this country). I could hire for equity like that after but I already got good vc pull so I would be able to pay within a few months as well. If only the registration could go through...

>>105609870
I don't like working remote and I doubt you're hiring anywhere near Amsterdam.

this is the week, this week I start applying to job offers. wish me luck

>>105609854
it's what I'm doing at the moment, you don't need startup funding for a fucking service app

>>105609881
1500km off. Not too bad.
But yes realistically it would be remote.

>>105609995
Yes, until your sales motion is 18 months long, is b2b, canmot be self-serve, and anyway requires a team to woo the clients.
I didn't choose an easy way to start out... The prototype is done and is very promising though.

>>105598871
>i honestly don't mind slaving away in a physical labor job for 12 hours a day cause I'm not an obese fatass
Spoken like someone who has never slaved aways in a physical labor job for 12 hours a day

>>105598871
I thought the same thing but after taking a job walking and cutting up boxes in a warehouse for eight hours a day I quickly got sick of it. Had more to do with being treated like a slave by my supervisor though, the work itself was dull at worst. Had a pretty good condition during those days though.

>>105594797 (OP)
sauce pls, my google-fu is lacking

I did okay on an interview last week and it feels worse than bombing an interview because now every time I check my E-mail I feel my chest tensing up in anticipation, not knowing what I'm expecting to see.
I'm going to eat ice cream and go to bed.

>When I was hired at current company
>2 interviews, 1 technical, 1 non
>got an offer for 170k within 2 days

>New interview process CEO is proposing:
>5 stages. 3 technical, 2 non.
>take home programming assessment which is supposed to take 3 days to do
>take home assessment is coding an actual system which could be used as a product, not just an exercise (i.e, "make a blog")
>panel interviews
>pair programming
>questions I wouldn't be able to answer if I had to apply today

Why do these creatures do this

>>105610512
Jesus Christ. The last time I was out of a job (before this time I mean), a company offered me a seven step interview. I declined.

>>105610537
That's what I told him. That this interview process is going to incentivize good candidates to look somewhere else that respects their time, and the only people who will stay til the end will be desperate candidates who have nothing else lined up

>>105610512
Genuine question, do any other industries/professions have humiliation rituals as bad as this?

>>105610512
i have never been able to clear a technical interview. my internship and my first full time job took me in without one. i'm laid off now and i'm scared. had an interview last week where they made me write a todo list in react and i couldn't even do that.

>>105610570
I think increasingly the tech industry gets its cues from the finance world. I don't think tech invented these rituals

>>105594797 (OP)
>do the bug jiggle

>>105610579
>I think increasingly the tech industry gets its cues from the finance world. I don't think tech invented these rituals
My personal schizo theory is that Frat Boys und Girls have taken over and made the hiring process the same as joining a frat or sorority, where you perform literal humiliation rituals (hazing) to join the tribe.

>>105610579
Been going that way for 20 years. It's MBAs taking over roles that uses to require tech acumen.
>>105611267
It's true and I've been sayng it for ages. It's because of said MBAs gatekeeping everything. Or at least it was like that until about 8-10 years ago. That and the mass push to outsource against all known facts and atatistics. Now it's worse. Pajeets moved up and are removing MBAs while continuing their legacy but with intense racism against people outside their caste added to the mix.

>>105611267
Probably. When I first got into tech I was hoping to be working with people like me; people who have been coding since they were 12, started by making game mods, building their own PC, learned C or Java or something for fun or to make video games

Instead, the vast majority of other software engineers I've met are douchebags in it for the money. I fucking despise almost all of my coworkers and am trying to save as much money as I possibly can so I can buy property and not rely on these fucking cretins as much as I do

>>105611629
literally me

>>105611629
yeah i'm kinda the same. my coworkers were nice but they were all massive normies, i was hoping to meet more fellow autists/enthusiasts like i did in uni

I'm not even hearing back from my non-tech job applications.

>>105598856
you are fucking retarded, retard.

>>105608101
yeah it was aweful working for them, not only was I required to move but if I broke my contract they would charge me tens of thousands of dollars
do yourself a favor if you stoop to working for them: get one of them on tape admitting that the fee for breaking your contract is specifically there to prevent people from breaking their contract, it's illegal to specifically have a fee for that reason, so you could get the job, use the experience to find a new one before your contract is up and threaten them with a lawsuit if they don't release you.
I got this on tape so if they ever tried anything I'd take them to court and have the contract invalidated, so I don't care about the fucking NDA I tell everyone I can about it

I hate that I'm not great but I know of many people that have worse skills and work ethic than me having a job just because they didn't have to take care of crazy relatives as they were freelancing and getting skills like I did. Sorry for lack of commas.

>>105613827
You're not good enough. I wouldn't hire you based on this paragraph.

I would never hire an autist that browses /g/. I would honestly rather hire some retard who did the learn to code meme at 23 than an autist who did coding since he was 10 because the former would have actual interpersonal skills and I wouldn't worry about them taking my position as the chief engineer.

This last year has been a special hell for me trying to apply, but it's not unusual for me, it's a special hell which repeats like sisyphus
I've managed to make more money year over year, mostly by changing careers
I used to be a manager at a brick and mortar store, until the mall it was in closed, like all stores in my area because of amazon
then I became a cab drivier, made pretty good money until I started running into 2 cabs, an uber, and a lyft all called at the same time by one guy trying to see who was fastest, cab drivers started quitting as income dropped but that made income drop more: if there are less drivers then you have to drive farther to get to each customer, takes longer, less rides, more likely to cancel. and soon less people were calling cabs and I couldn't make ends meet again
Then I became a bartender, this was fantastic I worked 3 days a week, and knew that no one would ever be able to create an app replacement for a bar, after 3 years I was making more than I ever had before, then I started hearing about some kind of chinese pneumonia or flu on the news in the background like some kind of fucking beginning of a horror movie, and people started posting those memes about how 1720, 1820 and 1920 all had plagues, and BAM I finally had 2020 vision and no more job ANYWHERE
so I took my degree, found a shit job in tech that paid less than I got as a bartender but at least I had job security, how could anything replace a programmer? I'm fully remote so who gives a shit about pandemics?
suddenly I started seeing generative AI shit everywhere and I knew
I just knew
I felt like cassandra, I told everyone, no one believed me because they hadn't been there before "it's just a tool to help us work better, don't be a luddite."
they said this without a hint of irony, the luddites started because weavers bosses said mechanical looms would just make their job easier, then promptly fired most of them once it was working.
now I sit here, vindicated by angry
why

>>105614369
Because you suck and you're not good enough.

Honestly, if you didn't get your degree from a top 10 CS university, don't even complain about not being able to get a job. You just wasted your time and money, you were never good enough for tech in the first place.

>>105614369
You should be able to go back to being a bartender at least

>>105614378
actually im extremely good, I just got a job
but it's a job that i feel secure in right now because I'm basically taking advantage of the fact that I'm the sole expert in the domain at my new job, no one else knows how this shit works so I can write my own ticket now. but im so tired, i feel like i have to pretend the world isn't slowly burning under my feet while I douse myself in increasingly large buckets of water, knowing it's a stop-gap
my great grandfather worked in a factory his whole life, had money to raise 12 sons and a housewife in a 3 story house on 3 acres of land
there is no such thing as a lifelong job anymore, nothing you know you can do for 20-30 years. No job security, you just constantly swap year after year as the annual layoffs hit, or the business goes under, or some new random bullshit hits. I can survive, but I don't want to just survive
I WANT TO LIVE

>>105611629
It sucks to learn but the autist utopia you’re dreaming of is impossible. People like you but who are slightly further down the spectrum have emotional breakdowns if they have to leave their house or mess up their schedule. They can’t live the tech genius life and be somewhat personable, that is very very rare. If you tried to start a friend group of these types, no one would show up because they would all get social anxiety in the hours leading up to your get together.

It’s a mental illness for a reason. The normies tried to reach out to you and you stayed home shivering

>>105608242
what about now

;)

>>105614314
guards, take this man to the penis suck chamber and have his penis sucked to the max

>>105611629
>NOOOOO YOU CANT GET A JOB FOR HECKIN MONEY NOOOOOOOOO
yet i bet you spend half your shitposting time on teamblind going on about your "TC" with the other jeets

>>105603362
Gross, give me the Chang on the right in OP she got soem bounce and she looks like she gives unenthusiastic BJs

>see new grad job at some literally who startup earlier this morning
>posted 4 hours ago
>already had over 100 applicants
it's one of those linkedin "easy apply" ones too so you know most of them actually applied instead of just clicking the button
i applied on their website instead, let's see if it makes any difference

>>105614981
already did this, it made crystals. very cool

>>105610570
sales. but sales at least has the excuse that if you can't out-slime your hirer who actively wants to hire someone how are you going to sell "extended warranties" or "product as a service" apps or whatever

>>105614392
How does the back of your throat feel after grinding your SAT and GPA memorizing useless crap to get into a top 10 school just to burn all your money to learn more about useless crap but with 'better' teachers. The only thing your better at is shoving a boot down your throat you fairy

How do I become a software engineer?

>>105616608
i think you need to learn how to make software, but i'm not 100% sure on that

>>105616632
How do I become employed as a software engineer?

>>105616650
i think you just need to convince a hiring manager that you can make software

I've spent all week playing doom eternal. While it feels like a cocaine binge, it's suprisingly peaceful in its own way. No work drama, no gunning for the next promotion, just me slaying demons. At this point I'm thinking of just NEETing until I keel over. I have enough in investments that I can live the rest of my life as a single man in a soviet-tier studio apartment run by an absentee slumlord.

>tfw was trying to write "stack" and I typo'd "scat" in an interview

I'M THE SCATMAN!!!!

>>105616782
I'd do this but I was employed for 12 years before getting laid off. Whoever runs the neetbux investment account would deem me "employable" based on my past experience (even though said past experience doesn't help at all to get a job today). I need to convince the government I'm too autistic to find a new job.

>>105610570
No, but we need women to be in these companies somewhere to pretend that gender ratios arent as skewed as they really are.

>>105614981
Remember when they forced a bunch of recruits to return their enlistment bonuses?

>>105615641
you're*
I can tell you're just not cut out to go to even a shitty school like Berkeley because you act like having a high GPA and SAT score are things that are very difficult to achieve lmfao. Keep crying about it you unemployed retard.

>vacancy mentions a four step interview process
>doesn't even mention salary, not even something vague like "competitive salary"

God just fucking shoot me.

I will suck a dick if I get a job. I'm serious, I will suck a dick.

You all suck, that's why you're all unemployed.

>>105614392
Graduatimg with good grades from a nid-tier school is the greatest challenge. Good schools teach you to pass exams so good grades are given for free. Mid-tier schools teach you your prof's pet obsession that has nothing to do with the exam so you habe to learn both that and how to pass exams on your own.

The proof is in the pudding. Top 10 grads are typically quite bad in the workforce (the same iw true with 4.0 gpa's, they either cheated their way through or close enough, so eirher they're totally incapable of anything and have literally never programmed before, or are woefully mediocre and incapable of independent thought. The best workers I've ever seen had 3.3-3.7 GPA from mid-tier schools)

>>105618642
on the contrary. We are here because we refuse ro suck

Any gifted French/Belgian programmer who knows Typescript in here?

>>105618900
yes

>>105618910
Look up Lychee on LinkedIn, they have this logo
I really want someone to fix this piece of shit software, they have more social media staff than devs

>>105618958
No can do, 5+ yoe with js+react required, plus I would either count as grossly overqualified or having too many gaps in the resume, if y9u get my meaning. I have all the other criteria and would easily blow any tech interview out of the water, though.
But eh, it's easy apply so why not

It is 2 in the morning on a Tuesday and I am going to get high and play Outer Wilds. This job market blows, I'm so glad I have savings.

>>105598862
No, unless the Air Force Reserve rejects you.

>>105618300
I'll suck a dick to get a job,

>>105619026
Give it a try, but keep in mind the other devs are grossly incompetent and easily threatened

>>105619053
>This job market blows, I'm so glad I have savings.
Me too, but for how long? Plus I don't want to blow my entire retirement just because I spent a year looking for a new job. God I wish I could just exist.

I used to think this song was by and for gigazoomers who don't want to actually put any effort into life, now I realize I actually want to be this person: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjiiR3O6Gxg

>>105619238
follow-up to this: late last year my close buddy from college was in the exact same position I am at now, he was a tech worker trying to find a job, couldn't, decided to give up, and ran out his savings until he had no more money in the bank and then blew his brains out.

i wonder if I'm on the same path. how long until I go out like he did? i told myself before I got laid off that SURELY his situation couldn't have been that hopeless. now, I'm starting to understand more and more how he felt.

>>105619251
Don't make his mistake. If you're in a position to blow your brains out, you're in a position to blow someone else's brains out instead.
You can also illegally live innawoods with basic preparations.
Many other more classical options exist. Try for a startup if you're not ready to give up on society just yet, but be prepared to use the other options in the end.
You can also max out as many credit cards as possible, convert to physical assets, hide them, and declare bankruptcy. Or you can gamble on max credit and if you win you don't even have to declare bankruptcy.
If the societal contract is broken, why abide by your end of the bargain still?

>>105619297
I'm too much of a coward. I'll probably just get a job at the grocery store. There's a really nice one next to my house, and if I can at least get $18 an hour I'll be able to just barely afford rent, internet, and food each month, with no money going into my savings.

>>105619351
Long term solution, when my mom passes I can inherit her house and I no longer have to pay rent and my shitty grocery store salary will be way higher than what it costs to live each month and I can start spending money on gacha games again like I used to.

>>105619351
If you cam afford life on that I have no idea why you're pining for more. Tech jobs are niggerlicious nowadays

>>105594797 (OP)
I gave up on getting into tech. I went into finance instead. Almost exacty 1yr ago. I don't like finance much at all. I'm still finishing a CS degree but I don't know if it'll do much for me. Ideally I find some intersection between the two fields. Maybe.

>>105618232
Jokes on you, you aren't even getting the first interview.

>>105618300
Just go sucking dicks
It's easier than a normal job and pays better, where do you start? Gonna be first customer

Is prison really that bad? Is it worse than working at a gas station?

>>105620311
How's your prison wallet game? How many phones can you fit in it?

>>105619251
i used to think this movie was shit because the protagonist lacked ambition but it's a perfect antithesis to your friend. your friend could've found a job at walmart and still find enough joy in the little things to keep me going.

>>105620481
Paycheck-to-paycheckc living is literal wage slavery. And it's even worse if you wasted your youth "doing the right thing" trying to prepare for the future, just to have it amount to nothing. It's a heavy psychological burden being in that situation

i got hired to cybersecurity instead of software dev
do i even want to try and get a SWE job?

pros:
>more money (only making $90k)
>probably more interesting work
cons:
>more hours worked (currently average 3-4 hours a day)
>probably a lot more stress

>>105620514
Cybersecurity is a meme.

>>105617363
You will die for Israel and you will do it for free.

>>105619665
What's finance like? What's your daily routine? And can you really get into it with just a CS background?

>>105620481
Well it's too late for him, but if I ever get close to going down that path, I'll keep this in mind, thanks. Something something buddhism, something something appreciate what you have.

>>105594797 (OP)
This weird k-/j-pop shit is why you're unemployable. Everything else is downstream of you being the kind of person who likes it enough to save webms and mp4s of HUBBA HUBBA HUBBA SULTRY WOMEN DOING THE THING garbage on your computer

>>105620481
I don't know of any place where you can make enough money to survive on walmart wages, plus you can't even get interviews for minimum wage posotions right now you literally get rejected anyway

>>105621123
he's larping
finamcefags can't go through a (70h minimum) week without being on substances, and you can only get in if you are at an ivy league or oxford (regarsless of your country), they autoreject everyone else regardless of acxomplishmenr, your school being #1 worldwide in the field, ezperience, or anything. Otherwise od course connections.
Lately it's become all jeets + arabs as well.

>>105600109
>database programmer
LMFAO

>>105620870
sure, but i needed a job
i just got promoted though so probably no significant raise (besides the standard 2-8% annual) for 2-3 years

>Get interview
>Its AI recruiter slop

I don't think I have the mental capability required for software development anymore, like I've been slowly becoming dumber.

wow I actually got a rejection letter for once

>>105621575
that shit should be illegal honestly. same with hirevue

>>105594797 (OP)
I'm an employed tech worker raking in the big good goy points, but I will never get a cute chimp gf.

they said they will send me offer letter this week.
there might still be hope.

>>105600109
SQL is just one of basic requirements. it's like knowing regex or HTML. there are no jobs for people knowing just SQL.

>>105623376
>it's like knowing regex or HTML.
no modern COOOODER actually knows either of these

>>105623541
is that why I cant find a job?? :c

>>105622375
apply to jobs in switzerland you get a reply in exactly one week

thats it i signed up for the RHCSA exam this oct.. Gives me 4 months to study

>>105624313
I just don't wanna wake up at 4AM, and lose limbs on a turning lathe.

Is anyone actually turning leftist from being an utw

>>105624313
>AI Slop Image
you forgot the clean up the "1 :)" towards the end

>>105624333
this post GLOWS

>>105624333
all the problems stem from central banks printing money and giving them away to realize the "four-year plans" of the government in power and the eternal bureaucracies and managerial elites, so I'd say we already got enough leftism.

>>105624333
If by leftist you mean full-blown nazi

>>105624313
lol there are no factory jobs in the US even after tariffs

Everyone is getting mad at me for not having a job
It's not my fault they don't want to hire me wtf
If it were up to me I'd have a job right now

>>105624313
Does it pay as much as a stem job with the same amount of effort

Hey guys. I'm literally almost done with college, getting my computer engineering degree.

That being said, I can't help but feel that I wasted my time. I have 5 friends in IT, all unemployed. The only people that are actually getting insane salaries and job offerings are boomers or people with 10+ years of exp.

I have 2 years of exp in web/ux dev but I'm unemployed right now as well, getting 0 interviews.

What can I do? Anything I can specialize in that would really make a difference? Get out of IT? It feels like the only way you can get a decent job nowadays is to suck a boomers limp dick good enough to get a job through networking.

>>105624404
there must be some job you can get. forget tech.

>>105624404
Man that's why I want a job so bad, it's not even for the paycheck, is just so this constant social pressure can end.

>gf asks me if anyone contacted me for interviews
>I say no
>"oh...well, don't give up!" she says, while unable to hide how shes disappointed
>"no job yet?"
>"no dad..."
>"You can't be lazy you know, your gf won't stick around for much longer if you keep this up"
>"ty for the motivation dad..."
>go to gf's home
>"hey anon, what about your job? nothing yet?" says her mom
>"not yet"
>"it won't take much longer, you'll see :)" giving a subtle hint that she's not talking about a job"

It's so fucking annoying.

>>105621123
I'm in a low level job right now. Basically just a call center wagie. It's a weird hybrid role where you just do general calls which could be anything from technical support for an online trading platform, educating someone on trading concepts, answering questions about the characteristics of specific financial products/instruments, or answering general questions on taxes and cost basis, or retirement accounts, or regulations, or corporate actions like stock splits/mergers/acquisitions, or literally anything else.

If you're lucky you just help someone reset a password. If you're not, you have some advanced trader wanting help with some multileg options position or some advanced trading maneuver they're wanting you to help them with. I've even had times where I helped someone find computer stores in his area because he was old and asked me to Google it for him. Normally thats out of scope of my job, but for the really wealthy clients they expect you to more or less just do whatever they ask unless it's something against regulations (like I can't give any sort of advice).

The main thing they push on us is sales. The only metric that matters is sales. They only care about sales. You have weekly quotas of having to get x customers to agree to join their wealth management program which is where they make all their profit. Its like a flat 1% of Assets under management, so if you are convincing millionaires you can see how quickly the company profits off of that.

>just CS background
Yeah, probably. I got in through a referral but they hire huge crowds at a time. Like hundred people at a time then you have 2 months to take the SIE, Series 7, and Series 63. Most of the people they hire are too dumb to pass these exams, and then the smarter ones have better options. So there's huge turnover rate and only a small fraction of new hires make it through. Out of 90 in my class I think only like 13 of us passed all 3 tests and got licensed.
>>105621371
Not larping

>>105621371
I'm not larping. You're right somewhat about the actually prestigious jobs or the very high paying ones. At the top yeah finance is all connections. It doesn't even matter if you're smart. Connections are far more important. A midwit with family connections will make it before a genius from middle class background.

But there's plenty of garbage like my job which you can easily make 6 figures doing. The one thing I'll say is they do actually promote people at my company, in fact you can rise quickly if your performance (sales) is good. There's obviously a ceiling beyond which an unconnected person is not going to pass, but they'll bring you probably to some lower middle management level making decent money. Personally I hate it and want to escape ASAP.

>>105624615
that's as much finance as being a janitor at microsoft makes you a software workwr lmao larp confirmed

>>105621123
Ah yeah and I forgot to say. For me the biggest downside is you are expected to have both a wide breath and depth of knowledge. The training is fuck all useless to prepare you for the sorts of questions you'll be answering all day. A year in and I still feel ignorant of way too many things and it's extremely stressful having some millionaire or multimillionaire asking me questions as if I'm an authority on the subject when in all reality they probably know more about it than I do. The best calls are rich people with very little knowledge because they get impressed easily. Anyone with a brain quickly realizes I have no real clue what I'm talking about.

The smart thing of course would be to actually use some free time to study more and learn this stuff. But I find it deeply unrewarding and uninteresting so I just focus on finishing my degree instead. I would not want to stay in finance. Looking at the different roles you can move into from where I am, not a single one of them interests me in the slightest. If I could make the same money doing something else, I would.

polishing off a bottle of 151 and getting mad on the internet instead of looking for jobs (i am slowly running out of money and will just hunt pigeons in the street for food and attack my landlord with a wooden sword when evicted)

>>105594872
Faggots giving other faggots the tip to apply to hundred of jobs in less than a year.

>>105624674
You have to be licensed to place trades for people which is part of my job. It is definitely finance.

>>105624706
where do you get 151, I never see it any more

>>105598856
Google EROEI

>>105624717
Or you can say securities industry I guess. It's as much finance as a help desk worker is in IT. Not glamorous by any stretch but idk what else you'd say. I guess you can call it customer service if that makes you feel better. I'm not trying to impress anyone

>>105599004
No but I have ERPed before.
I put on my wizard hat and robe.

>>105600153
The USAID money ran out

>>105624718
i buy an off-brand version produced by Lamb's in Canada, dire false-VIPPER

>>105624492
damn, that's rough as fuck
this makes me not like women

>>105624743
sex with this creature

For people still in school, are you struggling to even land interviews? Or are you getting interviews and then not passing them?

On average, starting March this year, I was landing like 1 interview a month on average. Some have gone better than others, but the only one I successfully landed was some guy's startup that wasn't even paid.

Was applying more to DA/DS roles than actual SWE btw, and from January onwards primarily concentrated on local roles (NE USA).

>>105624385
>inb4 "national socialism is still socialism"

>>105624327
>>105624358
>>105624380

>1 new post
>more ai slop
stahp

>>105625007
Idk what happen but things got rough since march or so. Got a lot of interviews between jan-march but nothing really good, then total radio silence, nobody is contacting me.

Absolutely nothing changed since January, no CV or Linkedin changes, experience, titles, everything is the same. Idk wtf is going on.

Why are so many software engineering/developer jobs asking me for a fucking github portfolio??! I shouldn't be required to show a github portfolio to get a fucking job as I've already finished college with the highest grade possible. This is such fucking bs. No other STEM field requires you to do additional projects on top of your degree to get a job.

>>105625102
could be that since fiscal years turn over in late march/early may, everyone is in either "oh god we have to make up our deficits from last year; freeze everything" mode or "we are currently flush with cash; we can't spend it or else we won't have cash" mode

stuff tends to look up in the new year less because of cultural reasons and more that the upcoming spring means either having to spend All The Money Left or lose it next year, or the department/company/whatever is already in deficit and has an "in for a penny; in for a pound" mentality knowing it will be made up in the new year (or taht they are Too Big To Fail)

>>105625110
lol yep. It really makes me feel I picked the wrong field.

>fiancee just got done with med school
>she's literally overwhelmed with job offers and people trying to schedule interviews asap, decides to take it easy and hunt for the best job possible
>me, finished college last year
>"Sorry anon you need 5+ years of proven experience for this entry level job and a portfolio to back that up."
>forced to work as a dirty freelancer getting shitty projects here and there

I'm very close to roll my diploma up, shove it deep inside my asshole and go back to college to get a degree in any other field.

>>105625110
>>105625215

>Not discovering elements in free time
>Not grinding LeetChem
Ngmi

>>105625238
shooting birds in the street to render their fat into oil and their poop into acid to manufacture sustainable fuels for use in non-ideal explosives

what other industries could I get into with a CS degree?

Where da cobol jobs at?

>>105625110
I thought having a portfolio was common knowledge in this field. I had multiple professors tell me certain projects assigned in their classes would look good on a portfolio. It's one of the most surefire ways you can prove you're a competent programmer because employers can just look at your code and see if it's shit or not and you're going to be expected to know git in most software development jobs anyways. Even really basic and simple projects are better than nothing. Where the hell did you graduate from where no one told you that?

>>105625516
There aren't any. Everything is too specialized. Transferrable skills are a boomer myth.

>>105625601
it's fucking wild to me that "KNOWS GIT" is some super hard requirement as if it's not like three commands you can look up as soon as you start using it, but then those same people are like "well if you know Rust surely you can do this job that needs straight-up Assembly and you dont need to know either if you made a platformer in GameMaker"

>>105625110
Congrats kid, you are very good at regurgitating what was written in your books. The fact you can't produce any evidence that you know how to take that information and turn it into something actually usable, means that you are literally the exact same as some guy saying he watched some "how to code" tutorials on YouTube. Just because you have a degree doesn't mean shit in any field. It just shows that you most likely meet the absolute bare minimum amount of knowledge to do your job and its also used as just a filter when times are leaner to cut down on the number of potential candidates. Why do you think internships and residencies are a thing? Good news for you though, you went with CS and not medicine or chemistry. You can literally just do some projects on your own.

>>105625724
We’ve all lived the nightmare. A new developer shows up at work, and you try to be welcoming, but he can’t seem to get up to speed; the questions he asks reveal basic ignorance; and his work, when it finally emerges, is so kludgey that it ultimately must be rewritten from scratch by more competent people. And yet his interviewers—and/or the HR department, if your company has been infested by that bureaucratic parasite—swear that they only hire above-average/A-level/top-1% people.

It’s a big problem, especially now. There’s a boom on. I get harassing emails from recruiters every day. Everyone’s desperate to hire developers…but developers are not fungible. A great coder can easily be 50 times more productive than a mediocre one, while bad ones ultimately have negative productivity. Hiring one is a terrible mistake for any organization; for a startup, it can be a catastrophic company-killer. So how can it happen so often?

Like many of the hangovers that haunt modern software engineering, this is ultimately mostly Microsoft’s fault. Back when they were the evil empire where everyone secretly wanted to work, they were famous for their “brain-teaser” interview questions – Why are manhole covers round? – and, of course, they asked new university graduates about computer science theory; “Write me a binary search.”

So what should a real interview consist of? Let me offer a humble proposal: don’t interview anyone who hasn’t accomplished anything. Ever. Certificates and degrees are not accomplishments; I mean real-world projects with real-world users. There is no excuse for software developers who don’t have a site, app, or service they can point to and say, “I did this, all by myself!” in a world where Google App Engine and Amazon Web Services have free service tiers, and it costs all of $25 to register as an Android developer and publish an app on the Android Market.

>>105625110
why not? i know some absolute retards from my class who can't even make a basic html page without asking chatgpt, but still got top grades because they were good at studying. likewise, i know a few good/passionate programmers who were great at making projects but their grades got bogged down by all the theory and math.
having a github is a good way to tell who's actually good at coding and who isn't. i'd rather hire someone with a good github and mediocre grades than perfect grades and little to no presence on github.

>>105625752
ai slop, kys

>>105625781
>ai slop, kys
oh my sweet summer child
https://techcrunch.com/2011/05/07/why-the-new-guy-cant-code/

why are companies still doing this "hero" "ninja" "rock star" shit

>>105625863
Humiliation ritual and because they are influenced by mid 30s career women who are obsessed with trying to infantalize the workplace because their wombs are becoming barren and they have an inbuilt desire to nurture and be around children. They are psy-oped into sublimating these desires into a career and as a result they gradually terraform the office space into a kindergarten/nursery. You, the wagie are going to be subject to their innermost desires and used as a surrogate baby. In 30yrs they'll have grown men wearing bibs and dipeys at work. And you'll accept it. You'll accept it because "at least I'm not unemployed"

>>105625794
gomennasai D:

>>105625932
>they gradually terraform the office space into a kindergarten/nursery.
Then why do they get so mad when I ask for toys like linkrunners, soldering stations, oscilloscopes, tone generators, dremel kits, etc.? Even when I bring my own binky(duty vest/belt, personal laptop, fancy stationery, actual literal comfy fleece keffeiyeh) and blocks(USB to RS-232 cables, spare cabling, smokes, radio handsets, weapon optics, random hand tools and scrap) from home they look at me funny.
Do I need to pivot to literal toys? I knew a guy who would bring his warhammer shit to work to paint during breaks; I probably got more shit about not doing my job with all my extra gear than he got for his doing/not-doing.

>>105625932
>In 30yrs they'll have grown men wearing bibs and dipeys at work
I would participate in ageplay if it meant I had stable and well-paying employment and I would be coddled and taken care of by hot HR mommies. Do you think they would give nursing handjobs?

>>105625693
>it's fucking wild to me that "KNOWS GIT" is some super hard requirement as if it's not like three commands you can look up as soon as you start using it
There are people graduating who have never compiled code from a command line before, and probably don't even know that coding can be done without an IDE. Git, and any other command line/terminal/bash utility is completely alien to them.
Reminder that most current high-schoolers have basically no experience with computing outside of smartphones, and there are college freshmen who don't know what a file system is.

>hey i saw that you have an active secret clearance. are you interested in a basic bitch job in a different state that pays $33/hr?
wtf is wrong with these dumb faggot recruiters. i turned off profile discovery after this. sick of these retards always wasting my time with bullshit offers

>>105626177
>Reminder that most current high-schoolers have basically no experience with computing outside of smartphones, and there are college freshmen who don't know what a file system is.
high schoolers are not technicians and most college freshmen are not in computing trades.

>There are people graduating who have never compiled code from a command line before, and probably don't even know that coding can be done without an IDE.
and that's the sticky bit rather than having zero knowledge of the language(s) you use locally? Oh shit he hasn't used Git and only fucked about with SVN before, can't hire him, but this jeet who loves git but has never written a line of anything other than java in his life is perfect for this embedded systems job writing ASM to be physically burned into chips for missiles!

>>105626134
Join my startup. I will dress you in cute clothing and send you to test high-tech experimental railguns against police

Good evening, GI. Still in your childhood bedroom?

I hear you, GI. You studied hard. You followed the rules. You learned to code. You aced your CS classes. You believed them when they said tech was the future, GI, and tech was where the money was.

But the money didn't come, did it, GI?
Just another email: "We regret to inform you..."

You live with your mother now, GI. You push boxes around at the Amazon warehouse, GI. She cooks your meals for you, and asks you if you want to take out a loan for grad school.

How many more mornings will you wake up past noon, GI? How many more afternoons will you doomscroll job boards? How many more nights will you pretend to be good at LeetCode?

Your country abandoned you, GI. Neither Donald, nor Bezos, nor Elon, nor Kamala can save you. Come east, GI. Build something real. Or stay there and rot waiting for an opportunity that will never arrive.

Sleep tight under your Avengers blanket, GI. We'll be working while you dream, GI.

>>105626354
Good copypasta, very novel, 10/10 if you wrote it yourself. But you can't hurt me worse than I hurt myself.

>>105600109
It's called data engineering now

>>105626354
I just want an opportunity.
My boomer parents got everything handled to them by society.

They never had to make the perfect CV for more chances of approval by bots or maintain Linkedin profiles.
Career development was easy, a no brainer
All they had to do was get up in the morning and live their simple lives while everything they wanted would become a reality.
New car every year. Huge house. Dad even managed to buy a small house in the countryside for family vacations with a bonus he got from work.

Nowadays? That would all be a huge pipedream. The situation is so bad that I'm seriously worried about the next generation. They'll be born in a world where they're born to be failures.

Only the very select few will get something going.

>get made redundant
>get a nice payout
>literally go to hide my smile
>spend the next 2 months studying/contributing all day
>suddenly crash and enter a prolonged depression for the next 6 months
>only do a single leetcode a day just to avoid completely rotting
>finally get an interview
>they send me a week long tech challenge
>genuinely interesting set of problem with a ton of room for skill expression
>first two days I feel slow and out of practice but eventually warm up
>spend the rest of the week doing literally nothing but working on the tech challenge all day
>even when I'm showering or eating I'm still thinking about the challenge
>eventually stop being able to sleep because I'm so hyperfocusd on aceing the challenge
>realise that my depression has gone

I don't care if this profession has gone to shit, I am addicted to the stress of software engineering, it's the only thing that makes me feel alive. I feel like a fucking veteran who's picked up an assault rifle for the first time in years. I'd do this shit for pennies and I think I'm going to kill myself if AI kills SWEing

>>105626436
Just join the military, dood. All the normal soul-crushing aspects of the usual job market, except if you can tough it out for four or five minutes you get incredible job security. All the existential dread of feeling like a failure, all the anxiety of not having a job that actually matters and is better achieved by freelancers (or literally free lancers), all the red tape preventing you from even trying to help the situation, but also all the money. Sometimes you even get to touch a computer. If you're truly lucky, you can be responsible for a server.

>>105626475
These "challenges" are so fucking annoying. Literally no other field has to go through this BS.

People just have an interview and get the job if they're lucky, or go through a few tests and thats it.

But no:
>Hey anon here is a test so we can measure your typing skills
>Now a cultural fit test
>Now let's see your portfolio
>I'll give you a python challenge now, build this code for me
>Now convert everything to C++ and make it clean
>You're still here? Oh, now let's have an interview
>Now another interview with this other random manager

WEEKS of this shit only for them to tell you to fuck off in the end. Shits literally designed to systematically, methodically waste your time.

>>105625040
National Socialism is still socialism. The only reason that it worked out for Germany for that period of time was that the country was being run by whites and it was in such a bad shape that going anywhere would have been better than that hell. Removing power from the Jews helped a lot too.The only reason Germany didn't go bad was because there was someone in power who actually cared for his people. All it would take to go bad would be a corrupting influence and a bad government to turn that state power right around on Germans again. As it turns out, a country of free whites without Jews (usury) or multiculturalism (Jews) works pretty well. If you're trying to larp as "le nazi", that time is over and it's not going to work. If you deny Germany did anything wrong and are simply advocating for Whites as an ethnic group then you're not completely retarded.

>>105626475
this but for hardware. just basic device repair. the happiest day I've had at work recently was asking the Big Boss just how much janky shit I'm allowed to do, and he literally said something like "You're not getting new whole units until we have the money, and we're not allowed to order individual parts; so yeah, you can keep a stock for break and fix..."

meanwhile, gazing offscreen from the webcam at the big pile of "broken-ish" laptops any sane person would just consolidate parts between, a tune begins to play in my head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1u6kseetI

[spoiler]especially since everything's a dell and we've got a lot of desktops still, full of weird plastic trash ready to attack with irons and scalpels to fit extra fans and drives and shit before they're decommissioned entirely[/spoiler]

it's such a basic thing and anyone can do it, but being allowed to do it means a lot, okay? I like touching stuff and touching computer stuff is trivially easy, yet satisfying, yet never really allowed.

>>105625068
You can't unionize a globalized job retard, there's an infinite amount of scab labour.

>>105625215
where do you freelance for more than minimum wage?

>>105625586
A myth. They only hire boomers wirh 20 years of professional exp and they pay nothing.

>>105625110
The worst parr is they never ever even so much as open thr portfolio let alone check it

>>105627837
Software workers are unionized in sweden

>>105628471
And I'm sure the union isn't completely ignored.

>>105594797 (OP)
>yellow fever retard is unemployable
not surprising

>>105594797 (OP)
Fun fact: there are 600k jeets coming into the US annually. Despite what they tell you about caps, there are simple loopholes to get around them. This number rises annually at about 20% a year. For context, there's 2 million graduates annually in the USA.

>>105626272
That just shows how retarded americans are, when even Indian can get tech jobs that shows how low the bar is and americans can't even clear that lol

>>105628577
assuming this is true, shouldn't this be the REAL focus of gun-toting republichuds?
>we gotta keep the MEXICANS from taking our jobs!
but no white man ever wants to pick strawberries in the california heat for $5 an hour
>meanwhile, all the indians are taking all the white people jobs and nobody is EVEN TALKING ABOUT IT on the news
then again, I doubt indians are taking the jobs of the average trump voter, aka, gas-station attendant

wait a minute

>>105628647
Good morning saar!

>>105628546
It is extremely powerful actually, and is the opposite of ignored. Very few people accept jobs without collective agreements, and those are kept to a high standard because the union reviews and edits work contracts for free with a 2 day maximum response time, and negotiate on behalf of interviewee upon request for free. Jobs without agreements tend to have higher pay and better promotions and raises as a result, to compete with those with agreements.

>>105628659
Americans would gladly pick strawberries for $5 an hour if they could live and save a bit on that much. Say, cash payment under the table with roof and board provided all year.

>>105628692
saars don't belong to unions
saars will scab your job if you demand a union

what are you guys missing out on?

>>105628708
Even saars are allowed to join unions, so they do that in practice. There also aren't so many of them here (still too many) The ununionised poos typically do things like cook poo food and sell it under the table in poo neighborhoods to other poos or do odd jobs like furniture installation

>>105628728
man i really don't want to be racist but i've never met an indian in tech that i liked (three is a big sample size, I know)

all three were rude, and not just sounded rude because of their accent, genuinely rude and didn't want to talk to you

all three seemed distracted and were pre-occupied with something other than their job, were always trying to get out of work to do something else

all three were woefully incompetent to the point you struggled to fathom how they got their jobs (i've had interns genuinely more competent than one of the indian software managers we hired)

that said only one of them was straight-up evil; he lied to people, and went behind your back to shit-talk you loudly to the other employees (and was stupid enough to think they wouldn't rat him out), and we THINK he may have tried to steal code before he left but we never were actually certain

i'm not racist but india is currently 0 for 3 in my experience

>>105628751
I have a much larger sample size especially since I worked with a us team before. I met 2 who were great, otherwise about the same experience. But what does that have to do with unionizing?

>>105628795
was wondering if saars join unions or not

>>105628724
well it says research intern and thats $164,000 a year i guess. Still not bad but college sux.

>>105628828
research intern means a phd internship, likely in a collaborating lab in SF.

>>105628751
I'm generally not racist but jeets I make an exception for, at least the ones that aren't Westernized. It's the only race I have personal experience with that's universally negative, they're like an amalgam of negative qualities from every other culture on Earth crammed into a single group.

What's funny though is how many of them are basically /pol/ incarnate, and the only reason they get away with it is because they're brown.

>>105628847
well yes thats the thing a phd is 10 years in college or more.

>>105628880
Yes, but it's totally different from undergrad. You don't truly go to class and take exams, more like attend seminars and do a quick project related to the topic for 6 classes or so, self-directed. The rest of the time is independent research.

>>105628867
If you want an amalgam of all negative qualities, look at Canadians, not Indians.
>lazy
>dumb
>greedy
>violent
>lying
>manipulative
>incompetent
>politics-obsessed
>nepotistic
>fuck-you-got-mine
>smelly
>evil

>>105628923
>Canadians
>violent
Think you got Canadians and street shitting Indians mixed up. Canadians will literally apologize to their muggers. I can tell you're a jeet just by this post. Please redeem the toilet, sar.

>>105628659
Anyone who's lived in Boston can attest. Every tech event is 99% these jeets fishing for jobs

>canadians
>violent
>smelly
fucking lmao it's a fucking coping pajeet
POO IN THE LOO SAR

>>105628659
They still believe the meme that Indians are smart and deserve these jobs while Mexicans are dumb criminals hopping fences to steal your jobs.
They're too stupid to do the jobs Indians steal so of course they don't think of them as competition.

>>105628996
That's a meme. If a cucknadian says any courtesy word at all toward you they are trying to steal something for you, cheat you, or harm you.
Cucknadians will literally stalk you in the parking lot after work and beat you up because you said the wrong thing during standuo and made them look bad, if given half the chance. They also love hurting people so much they're willing to commit suicide (such as bankrupting their own company) just to slightly inconvenience someone they don't like.
t. lived 30 years in cucknada

>>105629022
>t, lying jeet in canada*
ftfy

>>105629035
Pure german, my grandfather was a nazi.

>>105629035
>>105629002
>>105628996
Classic example of lying cucknadian running damage control. Lying backstabbing retards showing what they are best at right here.

>>105629042
>pure pajeet, my grandfather was a street shitter*
ftfy

>>105629048
Nice try, pajeet. I'm American. Americans know Canadians are the biggest pussies around. That's why they're about to become part of the greatest nation in the world.

>>105629061
>>105629050
The Cucknadian is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a pussy, polite, lazy, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a Cucknadian and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

is it jeet coping hours rn?

>>105629100
Obviously. Look at all these defensive """canadians""" defending the host country they've decided to parasitize as a cope for failing to get into the US

>>105629100
it's currently 3pm in jeetistan lol

Anyone had any luck with programming recruiters? Surely they have jobs and can get you connections even if they're going to take a quarter of your first year's salary.

>>105629918
Recruiters make money by filling jobs, not by placing applicant. What's more, over 90% spexialize in whqt is called 'inside recruiting' which means they are trained to convince potential people with a job to switch to another company, as oppoaes to convincing a workplace to take a bet on someone jobless.
In general they tell me my profile is amazing then either ghost me.from then on, or send my resume to 10 places and tell me they're confused by why they are getting ghosted by the places that engaged them to recruit for

>>105626475
how do you even become jobless if you're this passionate. i thought this general was mostly aimless coasters like myself. frankly, we're the most oppressed class of people these days.

>>105630324
You can be passionate about programming and still be jobless. FAANG companies are currently only hiring literal geniuses - if you can't solve a Hard jeetcode problem in under 20 minutes, you get instantly rejected. I dunno who the fuck is capable of that, or why you'd ever need someone that capable, but it is what it is.

What the fuck is happening

>>105630324
you'd be surprised...

I became an aimless coaster after I got passed up for a payrise 3 times in 1.5 years after working overtime to fix the frontend of our app that users constantly complained about but the PM consistently ignored for some reason. When I finally did get a payrise, everyone, including the retard who I constantly babysat also got the exact same payrise, i realised that there's no point in trying and just started doing the bare minimum until the startup went under, in retrospect I feel retarded for thinking that the SLT would actually care but I was fresh out of uni at the time.

also I'm one of these soulless slave brained golems who can't bring myself to work on my own personal products for too long, idk why it happens but I enjoy having a metaphorical gun pointed at my head and told to work myself to the bone, but if left to my own initiative I just play factorio and paradox interactive games all day

>>105630420
>>105630324

>>105630341
lol I solved 1 medium and 1 hard problem in under 40 minutes and still got rejected because "someone else has more experience"
it was a junior role, idk what they fucking expect, someone with 2+ internships?

>>105630442
honestly how the fuck do you solve a hard problem in half an hour without just having memorized all the hard problems on jeetcode?
SURELY at some point, faang companies will stop using jeetcode problems to interview people because they must be catching on that poojeets are just memorizing all this stuff and not actually knowing how it works????

>>105630476
>honestly how the fuck do you solve a hard problem in half an hour without just having memorized all the hard problems on jeetcode?
just memorise all of the DSA and practice them on a bunch of problems so you build the pattern recognition for matching problems to appropriate DSA, most hard jeetcodes only require 1 DSA, the hard part is being able to abstract the problem to the point where you can recognise the appropriate DSA in time

no different than grinding maths problems so that when you get to the exam you instantly think "oh I can prove this with a limit test" or whatever

I think a lot of hard problems where DP is required to find the optimal solution are basically impossible to solve in under 20 minutes though unless you're a legit genius, even meta bans its interviewers from asking them because being able to break the problem down in such a way where you can sensibly use the relationship between the sub problems to calculate the actual solution is really challenging in a rapid fire format...

i'll try to crack fagman again one day...