ONE MONTH

>>105689524 (OP)
I like this guys channel but I feel like he doesn't understand how few people in the EU know english and would be white enough to care.

>>105689585
There's around around 450 million people in the EU.
And about 350 million of them speak English.

You don't think that's a lot?

>>105689524 (OP)
PirateSoftware bros we won!

>>105689524 (OP)
probably more than the us

>>105689524 (OP)
This shit was never going to work
Legislating "live service video games released by major publishers on certain open platforms must remain playable within a specified quantity even after end-of-life for the product is reached" is an obvious nightmare for everyone involved that should be avoided at all costs.
There isn't an existing legal definition for half of those terms, and whatever could possibly be crafted would have enough loopholes and edge cases to never be effective anyways.

>>105689585
Ok ameritroon

it's ogre

>>105689720
It's not the initiative’s job to specify HOW because there are so many different approaches depending on the game and technology behind it. It's up to the EU legislature and game companies to work out how in future to make it so it's NOT a nightmare to make games remain playable after support ends.

>>105689740
You do not want EU legislators to define what constitutes a "playable live service video game" unless you're the kind of drooling retard who needs a helmet and adult supervision when going outdoors.

>>105689720
>There isn't an existing legal definition for half of those terms
and that's a problem
>whatever could possibly be crafted would have enough loopholes and edge cases to never be effective anyways
like anything laws can be improved on

>>105689738
>initiative ran out of steam after 2 months
it was over before it even began

>>105689624
>nearly 25% of the EU is incapable of speaking english
are you actually fucking kidding me?

>>105689830
>He thinks 75% isn't a majority
???

"Real americans" died of fentanyl last decade due to the housing crisis, the idea of a brown trooned out mutt thinking hes whiter than us, is laughable.

>>105689625
>bros
ross is basically sucking off piratesoftware.
Piratesoftware is literally looking down and away when hes making up reasons not to debate ross and ross is repeatedly saying he just doesnt get it. He gets it perfectly, piratesoftware is a lying shitbag and it's obvious to anyone who knows human behavior that he's not acting in any way shape or form in good faith and the guy makes a ton of liar tells.

does ross or anyone pick up on that and just shit on this grifter? no.

>>105689738
anyway in my opinion this is too little too late. but a better idea would be to run a concurrent campaign and track all voting parties in the eu seperately from this website, because it seems to me that it would be very easy for the EU to take a bribe to kill this initiative and then fucking shit on ross by sending this chink after him

>>105689926
>it would be very easy for the EU to take a bribe to kill this initiative and then fucking shit on ross by sending this chink after him
take your meds

maldavious won

>>105689942
>M-meds
>some chink is constantly dogging this guy while telling embarrassingly transparent lies.
>entire establishment hates gamers, declared them terrorists.
>entire chinese industry relies on live service games. piratesoftware is a lying chang
the votes where nuked no doubt.

>>105689963

>>105689983
>china when you notice jews
>yes whites realize your enemy
>china when you notice changs
>PILLS PILLS PILLS PILLS PILLS

The /v/ thread just got given the /pol/ sentence by corpo shill jannies. What the fuck is wrong with them?

>>105689993

>>105689963
>>105689983
>>105689993
>>105690016
children, children

>>105689999
why do you think chinks don't moderate /v/?

>>105690128

>>105690070
Animeposter seemed to have a point but he lost me when he began ranting about chinks
Medposter is right on that one

>>105689830
So, how many languages do you speak?

>>105690182
yes saars we agree very much

>>105689830
It's mostly old people.

>>105689720
>is an obvious nightmare for everyone involved that should be avoided at all costs
enable users to host community servers
it's literally that simple

>>105690209
Where did you pull this fact from? Your ass?

>>105690222
you wont convince a chink to admit that it would be easy and solved in a halfhour. this isn't the 00s. no one is running specialized servers even. 100% everything live service runs in a vm and is very light weight.

>>105690205
Ironically, going about china as a boogeyman is literal pajeet behaviour
Indians hate china with a boiling hate and would probably side with animeposter

>>105690222
So what do you need to achieve that?
Do you need the original server code? Sorry, but it incorporates third party code such as Havok for calculating server-side physics which we can't redistribute due to licensing agreements.
Even if we could it relies on third party hardware and/or software such as an Azure Analytics backend or PlayStation Network integration which you will never be able to run locally or otherwise.
And if you could get past all that the clients are still only able to do cryptographically secure communication which would require us to publish keys which we aren't legally able to provide due to it compromising client security either in this or our other applications sharing the same code. So you'll have to crack the client security yourself which is prohibited by copyright law which is dictated by international trade agreements.

>>105690291

>>105690291
>how do you need to achieve that
not our problem. regulations would require you to change development processes. negotiate with 3rd party plugins for different loisances or tell them to fuck off and make some yourself.
fyi games worked like this before your copium and theres literally nothing stopping them from working again except for greedy companies.

>>105690269
>going about china as a boogeyman is literal pajeet behaviour
>"hating palantir is brown behavior"
you glowniggers faggots are not really smart are you?

so anyone who knows the truth about chincksects (chinese are a plague) is a pajeet now? LMAO

>>105690331
I dont even hate chinks, I just know their behavior is scummy as fuck and they are like jews on steroids when given a reason to be (paycheck). they feel no shame for doing a job like spamming a board, silencing public opinion through croney moderation, or sicking some chink influencer on a barely functioning autistic bald person. if you pay their paycheck, they will treat it as if you have given them cultivation mana points or something and reduce their consciousness to the level of a skaven while thinking they have ascended

>>105690316
It's because of this "not our problem" attitude that this idea for new legislation is going nowhere. You want the people who barely know what a video game is to determine what a minimum acceptable quantity of Call of Duty Black Ops 6 looks like?
There will always be exceptions, either for legal or technical reasons. COD just integrated mandatory texture streaming through the internet into the latest entry, and short of making that just illegal there is no real way for you to regulate that in a meaningful way that would still allow you to run COBLOPS6 a few decades from now.

>>105690331
>hating palantir is
This is about videogames, not that. Learn to read.

>>105690414
>It's because of this "not our problem" attitude that this idea for new legislation is going nowhere.
incorrect. its going nowhere because the chinese government and companies have started cracking down on the people doing this. its like saying gamergate went nowhere because no one cared. it went nowhere because the department of defense retaliated against this website and took ownership of it.

>>105690414
It's grandfathered in, so games that might have streaming textures in FUTURE could have an update with whatever-quality textures installed locally, before nuking the server. The problem is just saying "you cannot play this anymore" because the textures won't download.

>>105690229
>Where did you pull this fact from?
Maybe from interacting with my friends, family, and regular people, as well as common sense? How about you think about it for two seconds, retard? Most young people learn at least some English. It's more common for older people to only speak the native language of their country--they grew up during a time when knowing English was less important/relevant, and now they're too old to bother trying to learn a new language.

>>105689720
>There isn't an existing legal definition for half of those terms
And that's why laws start off with definitions

>>105689830
20% of the united states is illiterate

>>105690291
>Sorry, but it incorporates third party code such as Havok for calculating server-side physics which we can't redistribute due to licensing agreements.
Due diligence. If the laws demand you do something with said code you can't hide behind licensing.
>which you will never be able to run locally or otherwise.
See above
>publish keys
Or maybe give an easy option to import keys.
>our other applications sharing the same code
Then don't share keys
>prohibited by copyright law
Not in the EU

If your company can't possibly exist without scamming people, it shouldn't exist.

>various weasel excuses for why everything digital has to be an enshittified scam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty

We're on box one.

>>105690558
Where's the line drawn?
Microsoft Flight Simulator also streams textures, but those texture banks are multiple terabytes in size with tons of real-time computation done before they can be sent to the end user. At end of life should MS be allowed to just make the Earth a single solid one-color ball instead of letting users download some variant of the highly detailed satellite photos originally used?
If not, any potential legislation would be dead before drafting even as it would now be regulating highly specific technical details of computer software far beyond what any regulatory body or lawmaking organization is either meant for or realistically capable of.
If yes, it would allow developers to simply cut features from their games until they're considered compliant. Your offline EOL'd version of CODBLOPS6 won't be the fun shooter you used to love, it'll be a single empty untextured map where you get to look at a static NPC model that won't react to your shots.

>>105690769
In that case it would be "reasonable" to have a download/torrent of the textures, so the most devoted players with the storage capacity have a chance to work with it, and a patched game that will load those. Anything is better than nothing, which is what we have now.

>>105689830
It's about the same as percentage of people who don't speak English at home in the US.

>>105690791
So it's reasonable to demand that MS provides terabytes of data for the public to freely download till the end of time? Even if it would be in the form a of a torrent, someone has to be seeding the complete files.

>>105690765
no its 2

>>105690291
>Sorry, but it incorporates third party code such as Havok for calculating server-side physics which we can't redistribute due to licensing agreements.
"This law says that we can't poison children but unfortunately our main ingredient is poisonous."

>>105690316
Maybe your petition wouldn't have failed if you would have made it "your problem"?

>>105690769
>Where's the line drawn?
on games AFTER the initiative is drafted into a law, the law of which you changs know you'll get a say in but isn't "absolutely everything I want regardless of who gets screwed" so you are pretending like you wont actually know in advance. you will you just want to fuck people over so you are pleading complications and vagueries where there is none.

>>105690821
>chang illiterate
sasuga ching chong

>>105690769
I feel like the answer should be easy here:
LS games should provide the same technical benefits for users after shutting off to those who purchased the game (if it's 'rented', you need to provide those benefits to those renting until the time they paid for is over or pay them back in full for the packet they paid for). If a significant chunk of gameplay requires first-party servers running (indicated either by a core integration into the gameplay like a high score system that enables integrated online comparison of high scores or a multi player mode on a server), the ability to host one of those servers must be given to players or anyone willing to do so.

>>105690833
So therefore Fortnite will never fall under this new regulation because even though it's still supported today, it was originally released ages ago.
Same with Call of Duty technically since it's all part of the "Call of Duty HQ" instead of individual releases. That's probably the way all future live service games would work then, just a big DLC for a sort-of super game that's essentially just a launcher.

>>105690818
What happens in practice is that everything you don't have a license for forever, is ripped out when it expires.
What you then get is a game that kinda works, but has major features missing.

Many such cases exists. If you would actually play old games, you would know that.

>>105690868
>Same with Call of Duty technically since it's all part of the "Call of Duty HQ" instead of individual releases.
Oh, you just get the latest Call of Duty games without having to buy them separately?

>>105690870
>Many such cases exists.
In countries where the laws say that you can't cripple games consumers have bought?

>>105690868
>New versions of software don't have to abide laws

>>105690868
>So therefore Fortnite will never fall under this new regulation because even though it's still supported today, it was originally released ages ago.
yes. you generally cant make something legal in the past retroactively illegal unless you are a chinese or jewish kangaroo court.
>Same with Call of Duty technically since it's all part of the "Call of Duty HQ" instead of individual releases. That's probably the way all future live service games would work then, just a big DLC for a sort-of super game that's essentially just a launcher.
it will be up to legislators and the courts to prevent that. thanks for admitting you are scammers to your core though chang

>nepobaby from blizzard
>relatives at blizzard
>simps for blizzard
>actively wants to make his own live service game he can end at any moment
>deep ties in the industry and money reasons why hed want the status quo to remain

>*cricket noises*

>also hes part chinese

>OF COURSE ITS A CCP SPY PLAN IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW AND THERE WAS NO CLEAR REASON FOR HIM TO OPPOSE SKG BEFORE

>>105690848
That would have to be decided on a case-by-case basis then with every online game from the smallest indie multiplayer experiences to the next-gen MMORPGs. You'd need an entirely new regulatory body, which would be expensive, very very large and face resistance from both politicians unwilling to deal with this shit and a public unwilling to pay for this shit.
Therefore it'd likely end up similar to PEGI or ESRB, a self-regulating industry body that's financed by major publishers like EA and Activision.
Do you really want EA in charge of deciding this shit?

>>105690812
Not necessarily but what is offered must be DRM free so people can make their own backups.

When it comes to arguments about how long something digital should be offered to download it usually comes down to two things.
>if software/product has DRM, it must be offered in perpetuity as long as the DRM is in effect.
>if a company no longer wants to provide something that you've paid for, then it must be DRM free as to facilitate backups.

>>105690882
no such country exists, neither can it exist

But there are plenty of games that got kept alive by their creators for as long as humanly possible. Because, guess what: The developer who worked on something for multiple years doesn't want to see it die either.
>we used Vivox for voice chat, we have to rip it out now
>some hacker discovered some vulnerability and it can't be patched without rewriting half the code, so we have to shut this specific service down

If you would have any practical experience, rather than just shouting I WANT THIS, GIVE ME THIS you would know a few examples yourself.

>>105690931
>neither can it exist
Holy retarded.

>>105690873
It's technically DLC for the Call of Duty HQ application but the way it's listed on each store and their respective download managers differs.
Check out the Steam page for Call of Duty to be confused even more. See how CODBLOPS6, MWIII and MWII are all on the same page simply titled "Call of Duty"?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1938090/Call_of_Duty/

>>105690894
while I agree with your point I dont base my judgement on anything like knowing who that guy is or knowing what he said. In fact its fair to say ross did a terrible job summarizing a criticism of him because ross is either a complete idiot or too smart to ever say the truth with his audiance (doubtful).

The chang is an OBVIOUS liar. like, as in he has no skill to hide his tells at all. from there I built the narrative around why he would suddenly go from "Piracy good" to "save games bad"
and to me it sounds like "pirate western games which are easy to pirate" and "pay for chinese live service games"

>>105690938
ad hominem

>>105690954
Cry about it.

>>105690882
>bought
You dont "buy" games, you buy a license to use them that can be revoked at any timr for any or no reason

>>105690962
you seem angry

>>105690971
Yeah, your stupidity is quite infuriating.

>>105690954
responding to tone
and as above so below.
>>105690812
>end of time
only to people who bought the game. and obviously stipulations on "you missed your chance" would probably be up to legislators. given this is the internet and gamers we're talking about, theres basically zero way situation where the game would not continue to be available.

>>105690968
Sounds like something we should have legislation against.

Vote with your wallet.
Don't buy slop you dont own.

>>105690968
you don't sell games you access consumer capitol which the government can demand concessions for at any given time.

>>105690983
I am sure you are capable of just not buying a service that you dont like

>>105690915
>That would have to be decided on a case-by-case basis then with every online game from the smallest indie multiplayer experiences to the next-gen MMORPGs.
Really? Do you need to check if MMOs are focused on multiplayer, online gameplay? The point is to make the laws punishing enough to make sure that devs won't even try anything funny. You can do this because this inherently targets the biggest players in gaming anyway.
>You'd need an entirely new regulatory body, which would be expensive
Make the companies pay for getting checked. It's already the standard in some industries for checking compliance.
>Do you really want EA in charge of deciding this shit?
No, that's why we have laws.

>>105691007
I am sure we can legislate out anti-consumer behaviour.

>>105691014
just dont buy it

>>105689830
How many people in US speaks foreign language? Speaks meaning able to hold conversation and not just saying some sentences learned by heart.

>>105691024
>denial
>anger
>bargaining
you are here.

>>105691010
>Do you need to check if MMOs are focused on multiplayer, online gameplay?
Do you need to check if the next GTA contains violence or if the next FIFA still has lootboxes? Yes. That's why the ratings boards still exist.
>The point is to make the laws punishing enough to make sure that devs won't even try anything funny
Because that's been working wonderfully for the rest of the tech industry so far
>You can do this because this inherently targets the biggest players in gaming anyway
Only with a very very narrow definition of what needs to be regulated

>>105689524 (OP)
TOTAL LIVE SERVICE DEATH!

>>105691058
>Because that's been working wonderfully for the rest of the tech industry so far
its up to jews whether they hate china more than they hate gamers. my money is not on the former but hey, thats the horse ross gambled on, not me. I'm just calling out the obvious truth. you are corrupt and doing backroom deals, shaking hands with influencers, pressing yellow journalism, and leaveraging an empire build on gambling addiction. theres no pills to take. you are evil.

he looks like someone who has CP on his computer
he has zero understanding of software industry, and the amount of retards who side with him is concerning.

>>105691111
try to keep the intrusive thoughts about preteen children being anally penetrated to yourself when you go have a family dinner or other irl events

>>105691111
and you fags seem like just the changs to plant i mean find it on his pc.
>software industry
so you are or aren't a jeet? i thought your narrative is that jeets hate chinese. so why would you care about the software industry MO?

>>105690812
Microsoft Flight Simulator as a hypothetical Ross had already talked about in one video, I forget which though. He said 6 months would be ample time for the customers to download the data they paid for access to in order to play.

>>105691111
>cheese pizza talk out of nowhere
Now thats what I call projection

>>105689720
the single player games shouldn't depend on servers. The petition wasn't about MMOs and gachas. It was about single player games. Ubisoft shutted down The Crew which had a single player campaign and it actually had offline mode implemented in, but they are cunts and didn't want to unlock it for the players after deciding to axe it. They have done the same shit for older Assassin's Creeds and Splinter Cell. They are completely single player. There is literally no multiplayer feature in these games. Imagine if you bought a hardware and they remotely shuts down it when they please. It's ridiculous.

>>105691100
I'm not against regulation on video games because of chink gacha, I'm just an eastern european leftist who hates the west and EU regulation with a burning passion
Unlike you, I can see how this just like many other legislations before it, will be misused by government and corporate alike to fuck over ordinary folks in ways you can't even imagine

>>105689585
He does and he's been saying from day one some non-English channel should pick this up rather than him leading the charge

I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!
I AM GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF IF I DON'T
AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT.

I WANT TO PLAY THAT DEPRECATED ONLINE ONLY GAME NOW!!!!

I MEAN FUCKING NOW!!! I BOUGHT IT FOR LIKE $10 ON A FUCKING SALE
I AM ENTITLED FOR IT FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER

>>105691176
holy shit its fucking piratesoftware
the lying retarded chink is itt right now saying his usual lies

>>105691184
The current (lack of) legislation about it is being used by corporate already to fuck over ordinary people already
And the point is to amend that

>>105690968
I buy the games on GOG. Sucks to be you, a cuck that buys from places that offer games with DRM.

>>105691184
>abusing the law
theyre already doing that by torpedoing an initiative

>>105691210
I LOVE IT WHEN SINGLEPLAYER GAMES I PAID FOR GET TAKEN AWAY FROM ME!

>>105691024
Why are you protecting anti-consumerist behavior? Are you a fucking jew?

>>105691171
I just don't see how that would work in legislation.
Would the 6 months be written into the law as mandatory? What happens if the company runs out of money or other resources in providing these files? What if the company goes bust and the game is EOL'd immediately? What if the EOL is non-voluntary due to security or legal reasons?

>>105691270
its up to the legislator to write it into law what counts as a reasonable ammount of time. if you are this confused about time limits you should be aware class action judgements are the same shit, this isn't news. usually these laws even come with a fucking fat grace period.

>>105691184
they can't make laws that will be worse than allowing companies to fuck consumers however they want which is the case right now wtf

>>105691231
>places that offer games with DRM
Places such as GOG. Sure they're mostly DRM-free but only mostly. They've had DRM on their games all the way back when they were still Good Old Games.
Defcon is probably the most famous example, it phoned home with an unique per-user activation key every single time you started it and on failure would disable both online and LAN play.

clearest example I know of where laws are desperately needed to guide game publishers was some madoka gacha game where players might spend thousands of dollars getting closed down after like a year and no refunds obv

the gamers are the prey and game publishers are doing everything legally permitted to exploit them

>>105691296
They can by making regulations that only megacorps can comply with, thus killing smaller companies within the same industry who are unable to comply with those regulations
In fact the EU does this frighteningly often

>>105691210
>I BOUGHT IT FOR LIKE $10 ON A FUCKING SALE
Is this actually a counter-argument you're making?

>>105691314
as a madoka fag I dont feel sympathy for the people who lost money playing that dogshit, but I also want the company who made it to lose money so I am all for this law.

>>105691211
no, I'm a random anon. I don't have a youtube account nor any social media. I'm not giving out these companies data on me.

>>105691058
>>105691058
>Do you need to check if the next GTA contains violence or if the next FIFA still has lootboxes? Yes. That's why the ratings boards still exist.
And it's soooooo hard to check if a game uses online features before it gets shut down, right?
>Because that's been working wonderfully for the rest of the tech industry so far
Works for other industries in the EU
>Only with a very very narrow definition of what needs to be regulated
No, not really. Games that heavily rely on servers to function can inherently only be supported by the biggest publishers.

>>105691111
But so does pirate software and we know that the biggest publishers are filled with rapists

>>105691328
no need to reply to the ching chong pretending
>pirate games good (chinese game free at entry so we win rike this)
>>105691334
you literally let some dumb lying chink gaslight you into believing a bunch of bullshit about this initiative retard.

the initiative. *dramatic pause* is about preventing developers from killing games. not about single player games, or other such things, Just games. GAMES. watch the video you tumer.

>>105691314
>gacha game where players might spend thousands of dollars getting closed down after like a year and no refunds obv
This is every gacha. They're all like that.

>>105691299
If the game installs and plays on a computer without network connection for single player part of the game then it's fine with me. I don't play multiplayer and I would just block these unsolicited connections myself if it was the case with my game.

>>105691345
>No, not really. Games that heavily rely on servers to function can inherently only be supported by the biggest publishers.
server activity in a live service game is fucking nothing lmao.

>>105691327
Doesnt sound realistic in this particular case, in fact small game companies were among those who gave SKG their support.
Can you cite in what way you think what you describe is likely? What such scenario would be?

>>105691327
smaller indie devs aren't going to make a live service game. They literally comply by default. What are you smoking?

>>105691374
>server activity in a live service game is fucking nothing lmao.
Oh I'm sure the clients barely need to have any traffic to be constantly be connected to a server so they may move their character 5 u/s. I'm sure all those streamed textures the billion dollar company defenders mentioned above won't make a dent either. The PC of the users just know where all of the other players are!

Won't someone please think of small independent developers like Ubisoft?

>>105691299
NTA
On the GOG version everyone has the same key, this means no two GOG players can play together on the same server. In my opinion the DRM has been effectively removed with the side-effect of not being able to play multiplayer. If I install a DRM-free game I'm not expecting to be able to play on official servers anyway.

>>105691397
correct

>>105691382
Requiring online-connected games to provide post-EOL support in any meaningful way, whether that's by providing specialized server software to consumers or updating the game as such that it can be played offline, could incur significant financial strain on smaller developers already strapped for cash who are desperately trying to dump an unprofitable online game in an effort to lower their running costs
EOL is not something that can always be planned for in advance as financial and legal realities can force it to happen suddenly. What was once a reliable way of very quickly cutting costs would turn into an expensive mess due to additional regulation.

>>105691416
Well then it should be really easy to patch games that they don't need to rely on the servers

>>105691420
>EOL is not something that can always be planned for in advance as financial and legal realities can force it to happen suddenly.
You should have an EOL plan before your game releases, at which point it can't fucking surprise you when you've already accepted money for it.

>>105691413
>has
Had. The key got banned because the auth server wasn't equipped to handle so many users using the same key, hence the whole mess in the first place.
Defcon on GOG has since then been updated though to allow LAN play without the key but that took several years and it's not the only game on GOG with online DRM.

>>105691432
>please decomp our entire game that only runs on a locked bootloader
kys chang

>>105691357
And why are you angry? If it covers even gacha etc it's even better. Gacha is a predatory design and it would be good riddance if they were gone. We would lose few predatory games, sounds like a good sacrifice for greater good. As for MMOs I have no dog in this fight. MMOs are lazy repetitive grindfest without substance. Whatever happens to them I don't care either.

>>105691420
>already strapped for cash
Why would they make an ONLINE game if they're in that position? Are they retarded?

>>105691447
Or maybe the developer could push a patch? Check my reply history, I'm pro-consumer rights

>>105691449
>why are you so angry
because you are here spreading lies while trying to pretend youre just a retard while being """""on your side"""" you promise.
lmao no. you aren't. the initiative, is about publishers and developers not killing games. not about single player or multiplayer

>>105691449
based

>>105689524 (OP)
I signed it a while ago. I also have PirateSoiftware blocked everywhere. I had no idea he was even against this stuff until yesterday, but that makes him even more unbearable.

>>105691420
What's so specialized in posting said software on github so everyone willing could host a server?

>>105691413
this but I think you have a serial for some games. I played Doom 3 some time ago and I needed to find a serial key of the game in my library to let me in. If there wasn't a need for that they could just hardcode the key in an installer (the serial comes into a text file).

>>105691491
Does the software need to be in such a state that consumers could readily run it and are they legally required to keep that Github page up, running and available at all times through hell and high water?
If the answer to both is no, then why bother? If yes, then it'll be difficult to regulate and costly for companies to implement.

>>105691505
Man, it's been such a long time since CD keys were a relevant thing.

>>105689926
ross cant make a video going "pirate software is a scumbag lying sack of shit" because that would generate a ton of drama, hes already got his hands full with stopkillinggames and his livelyhood with his channel. i think ross just has high emotional intelligence and doesnt care about getting involved with drama

>>105691538
He start's talking about him around 18:30 in the newest video

>>105691527
NTA
You don't have to pay to keep your project on Github though?

>>105691441
The player shouldn't expect that the MP in GOG game works if the game used centralized servers and not p2p to host their own servers like in some older games. It's commendable that they fixed the issue "so quickly" to make LAN work. I've never heard of the game, so if they are willing to do that for some not that popular franchise then that only reassures me that GOG is a right place to buy the games.

>>105691527
Do you... do you think putting a github up costs anything from the user side? Have you ever used github?

>>105691566
Oh no, some asshat on the internet just sent a false DMCA strike to your unmaintained Github repo and now you'll pay 10% of your companies yearly revenue in fines for every day it's not available to consumers!
There's a big fucking difference between you keeping the page for a personal project alive, and a company being forced to do so under the threat of fines and legal trouble.

>>105691558
he practically felated that grifter the whole video.

>>105691599
Wow you've had some bad blowjobs my man

>>105691605
>definition 2!!!!! schluck schluck schluck!

>>105691467
what are you so angry about? What does this even mean?
> pretend youre just a retard while being """""on your side"""" you promise
I can't decipher this, but it sounds retarded.
> the initiative, is about publishers and developers not killing games
there is no difference

>>105691619
>He lies
>He completely misunderstands us at every possible moment
>He's continuously making false claims despite people correcting him

>>105691587
GOG was much much smaller back then, and this move pissed off a significant amount of their at-the-time tiny fanbase
Funniest part about this? They claimed this was all due to technical issues.
The Steam version had a perfectly functional crack available for it that bypassed the entire key check. And the developers themselves were selling the source code on their website at one point, so anyone who paid like 40 bucks to them for the source could easily check and see they were lying about not being able to easily patch it out.

>>105691636
>>definition 2!!!!! schluck schluck schluck!

>>105691527
If you plan to unplug the servers on 25th of June make sure to open-source the software needed to host it before that date. Of course no one should force you to maintain it and fix shit when it no longer just werks on winshit 15 or something.

>>105691038
>Speaks meaning able to hold conversation and not just saying some sentences learned by heart.
I think about 30% speak ebonics and another 48% speak spanish

>>105691527
I was able to find and download zip files from sites that weren't existing for more than a decade from Archive.org. I think there should be no problem finding an archived github page on there and download the release zip, but I can't tell for sure. Github is not simply going away so soon to worry about that.

>>105691566
Github has protections against false DMCA they even went to court in order to defend youtube-dl.

>>105691699
Worry not, your honor. There is no need to slap us with a fine, I'm sure those files are still in existence somewhere around the internet if you look hard enough!

>>105691730
was meant for >>105691591

>>105691591
DMCA takes out the page, but you don't owe anybody money. Thankfully people archive such projects pretty promptly. There are snapshots of various projects like that on Archive.org. The project wouldn't simply go away unless there was not even a single person that cared.

>>105691111 (wasted quads)
...but enough about Maldavius Figtree

>>105691770
I don't understand why are you attacking this guy. He is just random eceleb who shared his reasonable opinion about this topic. You make it look like he's plotting something against gamers.

>>105691935
you suck at lying chang

>>105691935

>>105691935
His opinion on this topic is almost as bad as his WoW gameplay.

>>105691935
Ah this guy, I've seen the video. Fuck this guy.

I don't believe Epic Games is paying chinks to spam bootlicking COINTELPRO shit in here.

There will be consequences for anticonsumer practices. You are on borrowed time.

>>105692105
You can't just say "duh me want muh games be playable" and refuse to elaborate.
Your pedo eceleb can't even explain what this "initiative" is trying to achieve, and what "end of life plan" or "playable state" mean.

PirateSoftware actually provides reasonable explanations what it could mean in practice and why it wouldn't work.

>>105692296
NTA
He completely missed the point and misrepresented what the initiative was trying to do. Half of the shit he said wasn't even mentioned anywhere.

If you listened to his opinion and you know what the initiative actually wants to achieve, then the only possible explanation for piratesoftware's bs is that he's doing this shit on purpose.

>>105692296
Bro dude you're a pedo furry using voice filter to make voice deeper. Your opinion is irrelevant.

I don't see it happening
Also when's he making the movie?

>>105691038
A good number of them if you consider all the immigrants.

might as well make initiative to make bad games illegal

>>105692780
Where do I sign?

>/v/ thread on /g/
Ah yes technology

>>105693106
It started on /v/, jannies moved it to /pol/ where it perished.

>>105693322
If it was moved here from somewhere else the initial posts would have sequential numbers.

>Behold, fellow gaymers! I propose you the "stop killing games by making them bad" initiative! This proposal consists of the games engoodening plan that every game developer and publisher must follow. What's the plan you asking? Wel, well, that's not my role to explain it to you. I didn't say to make good games, though, no no no! That's not what this proposal is about. Stop red herring me!

>>105693384
Yes.

>>105693384
>>105693577
Sorry mb, misunderstanding. It was first made in /v/, moved to /pol/, died. So a new one was made here. People seem more interested here anyway.

what would christopher barnatt have to say about this campaign?

>>105690291
It seems pretty simple to me that all these companies have to do is have a set date for end of life. "This game will be live until 2026". If you tell people that they are only renting software, you no longer need to have post-end of life plans.

If the EU was smart (which it isn't) this would not have a retroactive effect so companies can actually adjust to it.

>>105689625
Congratulations, you fucked over the consumers in the name of protecting the bottom lines of the corporations and lobby groups that are making software basically unusable without piracy because a twink who's been caught lying confidently about shit he has no reason to lie about told you to.

>>105693423
is this the next chinese cope? loot boxes and gacha are good design that might "die out" if players never move on to their next grift?
yeah my client says he did it, he pleads, WHO CARES
we move to dismiss all charges

>>105694927
roachsoftware will be laughing all over everyone once his live service game is complete

>>105695050
>PenisSoftdick completing a game
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

>>105689624
>And about 350 million of them speak English.
barely anyone watches english content in europe especially not youtube videos.

>>105689585
>would be white enough to care.
very odd when coming from a mutilated at birth muttoid MIGAtard

>>105689585
>>105689624
>shitskins pillaging the continent
>EU fascists about to implement digital ID
>privacy is dead, nanny state everywhere
>NOOOO YOU MUST CARE ABOUT END OF SERVICE LIVE GAMES FOR CHILDREN
this whole thing was delusional beyond belief. dont like live service dont fucking buy/participate in it

>>105695096
>Almost half of 6- to 21-year-olds in the U.S. are [non-white]
I'm really curious to know where that number comes from. Is this one of those things where if you're white but you have some Hispanic in your family the libtards no longer count you as white until you disagree with them?

>>105695121
its because we import a lot of very young browns by the millions each year

>>105695120
only chinese shill ITT with a fucking point, thanks for the (you)
>but i said i dont like it!!!!
you said the shill line thoughever.

>>105695121
is it really hard to believe?
zoomers don't fuck because they don't give a shit about entitled women and the metoo bullshit and also because they are fucking broke because their parents spent all the inheritance money on vacations and other stupid shit, and in respect to that gorillions of jeets are flooding every major western country
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States#Race_and_ethnicity
maybe it's not strictly 50% but it's getting there

>>105695144
>you said the shill line thoughever.
what fucking shill line? anyone autistic enough to care is reverse engineering api calls and creating their own private servers, devs owe you fucking nothing
if you are retarded enough to buy X 2024 knowing that X 2025 will be out in 12 months and will replace the garbage you just bought then I have bad news anon, you are just retarded

>>105695120
>you can't care about things I don't care about you have to screech about niggers and kikes all day

>>105695196
>pretending it's not obvious
lying jew, its obvious what the shill line is because its repeated over and over again itt.
>devs owe you nothing
I'm glad you admit your true colors changs

Asking the government to regulate games is a monkey's paw wish. Let me give you an example of how government works: people asked the government in europe to regulate website cookies to improve privacy. But instead of making it illegal to spy on people with cookies, they just forced all internet users to click a popup on every single website saying "I agree to cookies". Extra steps for you, no downside for the companies.
Another example:
>be vancouver, canada
>have problem with foreign investors buying too much property and driving up housing prices
>people demand the government regulate them
>be government
>pass law requiring all non-investors - meaning (you), me, the millions of ordinary people, not the foreigners - to file paperwork every year to avoid getting declared a property investor (speculator)
>this applies to entire province, not just vancouver
>all ordinary people must now file as non-investors every single year using a magic crypto code mailed by the government
>loss of this code or forgetting to declare even a single year means $thousands in extra taxes
I got sick one year and lost the letter with the magic code, they wanted $5000 from me until thankfully I found it in my stack of papers months later. I'm on disability btw, there's no way I could pay that and the government knows it. But this is how they punish us for daring to complain about the corruption and money laundering that they were profiting off of. Who knows how many poor people got screwed by this despite having no money to invest in anything, let alone expensive real estate. So if you ask the government to regulate games, expect that they will do it in whatever way hurts the ordinary gamer most. The big gaming corpos and their lobbying money are their constituents, not the little guy who just wants his bing bing wahoo to keep working.

>>105695173
Why aren't wipipo having babies anon?

>>105690931
>no such country exists, neither can it exist

Might want to double-check your facts, bub.

> Terms to avoid:
> * Terms that give the trader the unilateral right to cease, modify or withdraw the purchased digital content or services or the purchased in-game virtual currencies at any moment in an unfair manner
> [..]
> * Terms giving unilateral rights to traders to remove content or features in the video game at any moment, particularly if the content or feature is purchasable for consumers, and consumers could expect it to remain at the time of purchase
>
> -- https://commission.europa.eu/document/8af13e88-6540-436c-b137-9853e7fe866a_en

>>105691420
Simple solution: don't make always-online, online-only games if you can't afford the upkeep and legally compliant decommissioning strategy on the infrastructure.

Legislation doesn't have to cater to the viability of inanely stupid seat-of-the-pants business models.

>>105694856
>If the EU was smart (which it isn't) this would not have a retroactive effect so companies can actually adjust to it.

The EU Commission has, read between the lines, already judged that companies current behavior is actually non-compliant with the existing package of legislation.
This was the tone of their answers to EU parliamentary questions on the subject. And similar tone is flowing through in their later guidelines regarding use of virtual currency in games, which also have an entire chapter on fair terms of contract that are not allowed to stiff the consumer out of their purchased content.

live service game is a legitimate business model. there won't be a game you could buy in the first place, if that model wasn't eligible. you can't just force the developer to make games you want. that's just the childish level of reasoning similar to >>105693423

>>105695926
>you can't just force the developer to make games you want
correction. you can drive the developer interest by buying/not buying the game. the fact that this kind of game is developed means there is a market demand for it.
it means that "stop killing games" is a loud minority that demand authoritative special treatment just for them.

>hmmm I'm tired of lurking /v/ for today, let's go to /g/ and see what's going on in techno-
there is no escape. /v/ has taken over this entire fucking website.

>>105695001
from the legal persepctive the game is something like a loot box itself.
what's the difference between buying a game and buying a loot box? you just spend money on digital experience.

>>105690833
>>105690769
>>105690558
>>105690414
>>105690316
>>105690291
>>105694856
Everybody is forgetting that even if this passes 1m votes, it's not like it becomes law: EU legislators could simply look at it and do nothing, or if they do move forward with it, it will absolutely go through years of revision and meeting with affected parties (corporations), and it will invariably be watered down to some extent to appease their concerns

It is exponentially more likely that, even if a law happens (which is already less likely then one not), that the final language wouldn't do enough, rather then it going too far. Even on the .0001% chance that the law is made, and passes with language that goes too far, I would fucking rather have a few developers a year cancel projects they can't make without complying with the law, vs the situation now where a significant % of all the games that get made have always-only DRM even though they would work fine offline just via LAN matches.

The law could also be written to not compel devs/publishers to have to supply ANYTHING, and to merely allow users to mod games and break DRM to restore functionality for abandoned games, in which case zero effort or liability would be on the publishers/developers.

>>105694856
What that would do is ensure that games would die quicker than ever before.
Say for example, Need for Speed 2015. It's an always-online title that's still up and running, but if EA was required to put a definite end date on it at release you can be guaranteed that it'd have died only a few years in.
Publishers would likely start soft-launching live-service games with EOL dates measured in days, and when they finally decide it's viable enough they'd say "we're pledging to support this title for the next 6 months" and always kicking the can down the road right before the date comes, until suddenly they don't.
All this because you're too fucking stupid to understand that if something requires the internet to use, then it also requires something on the internet to exist that it can connect to.

>>105691538
>It would create drama
>Somehow bad
????

I already knew that gamers are not the brightest people, but this stop killing games is a new low.

A money transaction doesn't make you own things.

>>105696816
This movement is based on a false assumption: "I paid for game, I own it", which is not the case.

>>105696816
>>105696859
wrong
https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf

>>105690291
Simply don't make games in such a way that its impossible to release the server software at a later date. Sure the games released before the law will likely still die due to being grandfathered, but anything made after would be made with an eventual offline or community server patch in mind.

>>105696920
That would have major ramifications far beyond the video game industry as it would regulate the middleware and cloud hosting industries as well, effectively banning them from providing certain products specifically to video game developers.
Any such regulation would fall at the first lawsuit.

>>105696816
>A money transaction doesn't make you own things.
If I buy a thing, I ought to own a thing. If my money doesn't buy a thing, it should say "rent".

zoomers will write countless comments on why modern video games are bad but they pay for them and play them anyway

>>105697016
If I buy a movie on iTunes, I have the rights to watch that movie for the lifetime of the iTunes Movies service.
If I rent a movie on iTunes, I have the rights to watch that movie for the duration of the rental period.
But in no case is Apple ever required to provide me with a DRM-free backup of the film that I can watch till the end of time should they feel the need to remove the movie from the service, or to kill the service entirely.

>>105697016
You're buying a ticket to play game. Different tickets have different terms attached.
Valve too can nullify your purchased tickets at its discretion, it's in terms. Why wouldn't you make initiative against that?

>>105696099
theres no chance it would ever go to far, but you will hear that it did, because as far as the chinese are concerned, they hyave a right to inflict your country with a disease, and to be fair to them, why wouldnt they think that, it's not like there were not some jews and anglos selling opium there at gunpoint or anything. however, I dont care about governments, I care about games and their victims.

>>105694803
THE SUPPORT STATUS IS STILL DEVELOP


MENTAL

>>105697692
Yotsuba no, put away le gun!

>>105697016
>>105697102
This. SKG is challenging the legal grey area game companies are exploiting by selling the game as a "good" when in actual fact it's closer to a service, only you aren't told that or how long the service lasts. When you buy a good, you expect to keep it; when you buy a service, you expect it to end eventually (like a concert – you don't get to keep that). Online only games that get shut down are neither, and the EULA saying "we can shut down whenever we want" Ross is arguing is a consumer rights violation, at least in the eyes of EU parliament, which is why it's being fought there and not the US.

Picrel, now it's a /g/ thread.

>>105689624
>350 million of them speak English.
You'd think that, but that's actually false. Most people in EU either don't know English at all, or just know a few words and maybe basic sentences.

Most Europeans don't even consume English content at all. In a lot of the bigger countries, even American movies are dubbed to their native language. And even a lot of popular Youtubers have dubbed videos.
If you go to Germany and watch a Hollywood movie on TV, it will be dubbed to German. Even in countries with less resources it will be subbed and there's only so much you can learn from this. Think about it, weebs watch anime subbed and yet most of them only know a handful of words.

>>105690229
It's common sense, retard. Old people have almost no capacity to learn anything, while younger people are interacting with the internet a lot. English-centered media is something that's only started gaining momentum once the internet got popular.
Only millennials and younger generations actually know English. Generations that are older usually didn't even have English in schools and they are never forced or incentivized to interact with English media. Kids at least play video games and watch Youtube.

>>105697268
Pressuring game stores to allow some sort of ownership (akin to nintendo's game-key cards) would be actually beneficial for consumers. But demanding something that wasn't part of the deal is just dumb.

Any /g/tards want to weigh in on the arguments over development costs going up if this was in place? Surely planning for a game to have an offline/client hosted model from the start is easier and less of a cost than a central server.

>>105698107
This has nothing to do with development cost, it's all about planned obsolescence. Publishers WANT games to be inaccessible at some point because then players would be forced to buy a new one.

The worst thing for publishers is for games to never die, because people would still play old games. There's even a study that was done which confirmed that, on average, people are playing games that are at least 6 years old. This is terrible for sales, or at least it looks terrible in the eyes of publishers.

That's also one of the major reasons why console companies are against emulation. The last thing Nintendo wants is for hundreds of thousands or millions of people to still play Gen1-Gen5 Pokemon without buying whatever the new generation is. And judging from pirated downloads, discussions and videos, there's still a fuckton of people playing PKMN versions released between 1996 and 2005 instead of buying and playing the new games. From Nintendo's perspective that's a $5-$100 million loss in sales per PKMN generation. So, they're literally losing sales to their own abandoned product.
If they could just remotely kill that product (delete all old ROMs and cartridges), they believe it would bring them dozens if not hundreds of millions in profit.

>>105698107
its not likely to raise development costs, but it IS likely to torpedo gacha and live service games. imagine a scenario if you will that meguca or fate or another big dick gacha ended their service, was forced to make their game no longer unplayable, and gacha whales payed some nobody to keep developing the game with their waifus instead of starting from zero and whaling all over again. People are not seething because this will cost a lot, people are seething because they can no longer exploit lonely whales.

>>105689524 (OP)
People don't care about some shitty vidya closing down when there are great depression and world war on the horizon

>>105698286
Gacha games would just continue operating as they are now, they'd just charge a $1 monthly fee to be a pay-to-play player. This would be defined as a genuine service with a clearly stated end of service date (month after your last payment), and as such it wouldn't need to provide an end of life plan.
And F2P players would have no rights to anything since they're not participating in monetary transactions.

tldr: Gacha games would literally not be affected at all.

>>105698345
>they will just charge money monthly with a clear end of service
sure! as long as they then provide the data so that anyone can continue to run the game after they abandon it, thats fine.

>>105698355
>as long as they then provide the data so that anyone can continue to run the game after they abandon it
That is not a requirement for genuine services and the SKG initiative clearly states it.

>>105698361
hi piratesoftware
>Objectives

>This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.

>Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.

>The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.
the initiative clearly states otherwise

>>105698328
Nothing is going to happen
>b-but Iran
Nothing is going to happen

>>105698457
WW3 might not happen but global conomic depression is already happening right now.

>>105698328
>Politicians like easy wins.
>It's a diversion from more serious topics.
>https://youtu.be/mkMe9MxxZiI&t=207

>>105698547
Are you implying vidya EOS is serious topic?

>>105698428
It falls into the last category, where they use words like "we would attempt, but probably fail". Which is correct, they would fail here.
The only thing they would be able to do is legally ensure that players can create/reverse-engineer their own private servers and self-host them, which is already legal in EU under the condition that the original service is no longer provided and that the game was sold as a product (ie World of Warcraft).

If you think that it would fall into the "microtransactions" category, that would be an even more difficult sell for multiple reasons, but mainly in the scenario I'm describing these gacha games are provided as pay-to-use services (ie $1/month subscription). So they're an exception even if they have microtransactions.
They would legally not be required to do anything here because microtransactions within a subscription service would be treated as a subscription addon, not a sold product. Their legal defense would be "it's a paid service with a clear expiration date, microtransactions are a part of the service and an addon to the service and they inherit the expiration date".

>>105698568
No, precisely because it's not serious, something being done might've been more likely, as a way of politicians to get off the hook making decisions for something more serious.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2023/739341/EPRS_BRI(2023)739341_EN.pdf
Under this directive, the definition of "product" is expanded to cover software as well as digital services essential for the product's function. For those that don't know, under the Directive (EU) 2019/771, any customer that buys a product has ownership of that specific product. So SKG is a bit unnecessary to make developers stop doing some of the shit it outlines, it just needs to be brought to court, argued under these two directives, and then enforced.

>>105698583
if you are correct about this this makes the gacha devs even more like fucking crying seething toddlers for this nothing burger bill

>>105698629
I believe the practice of destroying games is still being analysed and challenged under current law, but the initiative was a way to make a new law, so there's no dodging it.

>>105698629
All that would result in is that instead of a "Buy game" button you'd see "Buy game license" with the actual terms of your purchase being hidden in some hard to find FAQ elsewhere on the site

>>105698886
That would still be a massive improvement, because if "buy game" becomes "buy game license", it becomes a visible enemy that even normies can be corralled to fight.

>>105695590
after the post-ww2 babyboom the line couldn't go up forever and we plateau'd so it's normal really, people in a secure environment (aka without niggers) with
>infinite entertainment
>cheap available food
>availability of porn, literally stare at any bitch you desire 24/7
>ability to know and meet more people online in a day than a king in the past would in a lifetime
just seek stability
essentially people take time to themselves but most importantly whites actually want to have everything for their kids to guarantee them success in life which requires wealth that most common people simply will never have if they are not smart with money and instead of living frugally they are full of debt and live paycheck to paycheck and waste it all on retarded shit like travelling and expensive things they don't neeed (reminds you of someone huh? yep, booomer, genx and millennials)
zoomers might reverse this trends but they are also the most broke generation ever because most things have been rugpulled from they and they were already born in a fucked up world with a destroyed economy, housing market and dating scene (or the lack thereof) and job market with an impeding AI doom that would erase most sought-after office adult daycare cushy jobs.

there's also the fact that we are living longer than ever before, boomers are straining the tax and healthcare system and you need young workers to pay pensions to old oxygen wasting faggots, the governments of most western nations couldn't come up with a better solution than to import millions of niggers of the age 5-35, while in theory it could work in the beginning they also in a generation or two would become just like white people in terms of wanting stability and actually living life going back to square one (except now you have a low impulse control 70 IQ population but this is actually better for most governments).

if someone has anything interesting to add plese do so

>>105689524 (OP)
>piratesoftware doesnt even have that much positive clout anymore
Guy really used the peak of his fame to kill a consumers' rights movements solely because "daddy works for blizzard and I wanna release a live service game so I hate this"

how hard is it to not delete the game off the face of the earth, to decouple the single-player from the online play, and to not pursue legal action on private servers?
>BUT MUH QUADRILLION DOLLAR COMPANY IS TO INCOMPETENT TO DO THATTTT

>>105698969
>even normies can be corralled to fight
No, they wouldn't. The average person could not give less of a shit about the specifics of video game licensing to consumers.
And more importantly on an EU level there's more people opposed to this kind of frivolous overreach, and also people who simply don't understand enough to have an opinion, and pro-corporate folks who opposite this because they get paid to do so, that the people who would support this idea would be a tiny tiny minority.

I don't even think games being killed completely at the end of service is the core issue (despite being incredibly shitty). It's the fact you have no idea how long the service will be provided for when you pay. It might be indefinite, it might be decades, it might be a couple of years, it might be than a year, who knows!

If businesses are going to play the game of "you're paying for access to the game", then there needs to be some real contractual guarantee of how long you are actually paying for. As it stands currently, customers are being incredibly mislead in what they're actually paying for.

>>105689524 (OP)
Who are some non-English speaking big tech/gaming YouTubers to send emails to?

>>105689524 (OP)
>get 6 gorillion views on muh Stop Killing Games(TM) videos
>can't get even a fraction of them to sign
Imagine just how low 1 million petition-clicks is, if you have millions of subscribers.
Yet it failed.

>>105701212
you need to be european and have official documents to sign the petition
I couldn't sign because I forgot my government id's pincode

>>105699709
That's exactly the whole point. That and the fact that a lot of EULAs just say "we can block your access to our game/services for any reason or for no reason at any time"

>>105701212
Probably around 70%+ of English-speaking euros are under 30 years old, which is like 7% of the population if you don't count those who are underage and can't vote. And probably around 30% of the European youth are anti-EU and wouldn't participate in some random political campaign.
This whole movement is just extremely unpopular outside of terminally online English-speaking Euros. Almost nobody in EU is actually aware of it. It's a miracle this thing even has half a million signatures.

>>105699709
Nobody thinks they are misleaded, and that's not what that pedo creep is talking about. He wants games to be "preserved" indefinitely.

Anyway, it would be better to have some sort of consumer's union and to encourage everyone to adhere to its policies. As a consumer, you already hold incredible power against corporations.

>>105701481
You don't even own your games, but you want them to be preserved.
It's like wishing that an amusement park you visited once as a child would exist forever because you have good memories of it.
Completely backwards reasoning.

>>105701626
you own anything you pay for, cuck. your analogy is retarded

>>105701647
>When you buy games on Steam, you don't actually own them; you purchase a license to play them. This means you can use the games as long as you follow Steam's terms, but you cannot sell or transfer them like physical copies.

>>105701871
ACKCHYUALLY this only applies to games with Steamworks DRM. Once you download DRM-free games like Baldur's Gate 3, you can actually copy the folder and move it around to another computer or play it without Steam being on or even installed.

>>105701871
"The Crew" wasn't bought on Steam. People bought physical discs.

>>105689524 (OP)
>>>/v/
not tech

>>105701418
The EU is far less popular within the EU than outside of the EU.
If you are 30+, you already witnessed multiple situations where the EU fucked you over. Everybody hates Von der Leyen, like actually everybody. I don't know a single person who likes her, except for people who are paid to like her.

Only if you are outside of the EU and you got EU paid propaganda slop injected into your brain, with their equivalent of USAID, you might be simping for them.

>>105689524 (OP)
TGD

>>105701927
I honestly have no idea who or what Von der Leyen is. I exclusively only follow american politics and "content creators" even though I'm in EU.

>>105701956
holy mother of based

skg is a nice concept but at the end of the day it's borne entirely of entitlement and nostalgiabaiting

it's like if you asked a casino
>"Hey I really like gambling in your establishment, but can we make it illegal for you to ever not let me in?"
>"If that's not reasonable, how about you just let me take the lotto machine when we part ways for any reason?"

>>105701908
the disc comes with a similar license
you can trade the disc around but not the license

>>105701898
>An unauthorized copy is a reproduction of a copyrighted work made without the permission of the copyright owner or exclusive licensee. This can include copying, distributing, or selling works that are protected by copyright law.

>>105701975
>the disc comes with a similar license
But you're "buying" the disc. You're not "licensing". The game and those selling it did not state that it will become completely dysfunctional once the servers are shut down nor did they say when the servers will shut down exactly. They were selling the game as a product, not a service.
Because of that, the company MUST either fix the game to be playable or refund every current owner of the game even under the current EU laws. That's why Ubisoft is currently fighting a lawsuit regarding the game.

>>105701990
If you currently own the game, you're fully in legal right to do this.

>>105701990
Every game that isn't straight up FOSS comes with a copyright EULA, DRM or not, which isn't related to Steam. All I personally care about is whether or not I can play the game without relying on an online service once installed, and copy/move the installation around. This means the game can be preserved indefinitely. I can do that with BG3 but not with any always online game. Hell I don't even really care much about the legal aspects unlike Ross, I'm more about "can this game be preserved even if through piracy?" - if yes, good FAPP.

>>105702031
when you "buy" the "disc" "you" are paying for the transport of the game files, not the license to use the game files.

The Crew™(2014) is a unique problem because
>The Crew™(2014) does not work even on a conceptual level without online integration, yet was advertised and released as a single-player game unlike something like Forza™ Horizon©(2012) or Project® Gotham™ Racing© which have online features not strictly necessary to the game loop, let alone the software functioning
>The Crew™(2014) players are rabid autists obsessed with a terrible game
>Ubisoft is already disliked for other reasons and bleeding money out the ass for reasons even beyond that

>>105701990
i believe reasonable personal use like backups, transfer between deployed systems, use by guests in private settings, etc. are explicitly exempted from copyright. sorta like how inviting your homies over to goon to Lion King does not constitute a bootleg show, backing up your copy of BG3 to an external drive or moving it to another computer in your house by physical media instead of re-download from steam/gog/whatever is perfectly fine and not prosecutable.

also even most FOSS is at least CC BY-SA

>>105702134
>not the license to use the game files.
false, the current laws in EU (and I've been told Australia too) do not make this distinction. Just because the EULA says something doesn't mean the game is exempt from the current laws.

>>105702134
Is The Crew similar to Diablo 3 in how deep the always online integration goes?

>>105702169
>false, the current laws in EU (and I've been told Australia too) do not make this distinction.
if a law just doesn't say something, it doesn't imply the opposite. i don't think US/Can law has anything about it either. usually the EULA is packaged in with the disc; the only law about that is that EULA and other similar documents have to be packaged in a way that you don't inherently agree with them by accessing the EULA itself

>>105702183
sorta. the killer feature of the game is that races and routine tasks only have human opponents. there's a singleplayer story but it's mostly NFS style 1v1s and police chases.

also looking it up the lawsuit was about
>Ubisoft began revoking licenses from players who have bought The Crew without providing refunds or any way to download the game files.
>Cassell and Liu accused the company of misleading players into believing that their purchases of the game were permanent instead of buying limited licenses and for "falsely represent[ing]" that the physical copies contained the game's files instead of simply a key to unlock the DRM for the game.[35][36][37]
>Ubisoft, in its motion to dismiss the case, emphasized that there was no "unfettered ownership rights in the game" implied when a user purchased the game, and that the shutdown followed a notification period, following terms that were published on the game's retail box and in its digital EULA.[38]
so pretty cut and dry. Were I a judge, I would think that morally the plaintiffs are right (there is no real reason for the shutdown, The Crew™ ought to be playable offline with minimal modification since it already has a singleplayer story component) but in terms of actual existing law that I know about Ubisoft has a slam dunk. Their shutdown complied with the agreement set forth by the EULA and the assumption that possession of files implies legal right to view/execute the files has already been killed successfully by the DVD video industry.

>>105698428
Nah, the other guy's right. WoW is another example of a distinct service, not a good: you stop paying the fee, you lose that service. It's about eradicating that grey area between goods and services where you only lose.
As for the gachas, as SKG would be grandfathered in, they'd have time to prepare.

>>105699027
>zoomers might reverse this trends but they are also the most broke generation ever because most things have been rugpulled
As a late zoomer, its hard to say we are broke.
Zoomers just have a much different focus in what to do with the wealth they do have.
That's not to say its not harder than previous generations but few help themselves.

As far as I can tell, I have it just as good as boomers did. Have a house, can afford mostly what I want and I just have an entry level job. Of course I'm making concessions but its hard to say they are anything previous generations haven't done, like fixing your own car, fixing your own house, eating at home, etc. I also live where its affordable, even if its 30min out the way of a major city
If I got a better job I would have no issue supporting a family.

It almost makes me irritated when I hear other young people complain they are "hardly" making it as they rent proto-luxury apartments in a major metro and get doordash delivered, they choose that ultimately. Things like ownership and equity are not valued strong enough

>>105689524 (OP)
Who?

>>105689524 (OP)
>515,231 / 1,000,000
>51%
We're not gonna make it bois.

>>105705157
Hey it was 49% a few hours ago.

>>105705311
Unless every e-celeb shills this thing at the start of every video, it's just not going to happen. The only reason it got 2% now is because a couple of e-celebs started talking about it.
It's unlikely to go over 60% at this pace. At best it will reach around 85%, and this is being super generous.

>>105704350
anon you can cry all you want, the initiative is the initiative. its not asking for any distinction. whether it will be granted is ephemeral.

>>105705358
I won't say "not with that attitude", because you are right, but it is that attitude in the long term that killed the momentum (among other things).

Kneel

>>105689720
Literally just don’t sue people who run fan servers after the official ones closed.
There, done,

>>105705573
my attitude doesn't really matter. I already signed the petition and got 6 other people to sign it. but that's basically all the reach I have since I'm not a public figure, I don't have social media, etc.
all I'm doing is looking at what's happening and seeing that the initiative has no chance of getting to the goal.

>>105694803
DOT COM

>>105705654
You did all you could, which is better than most people. But yes, realistically, I am agreeing with you.

>>105705654
>>105705573
>>105705358
I agree that realistically there's no way grassroots word of mouth will make it succeed at this point, but conversely, it being so dire also means that even IF massive e-celebs continue to cover it, the tiny .00001% of a difference grassroots word of mouth makes might still be necessary to have it succeed even with the e-celeb coverage

So it's still important people spread the word, because if Markiplier or some shit does cover it, random people sharing the word might still make or break it after that. But yes, it's fucked unless Markoplier, Mr Beast, etc tier people talk about it

>>105691007

>>105706587
why do you still want this to happen, after reading this thread. are you stupid?

i think amusement park analogy is spot on >>105701626

this "initative" is just children crying about something precious they lost. this is not how adult world works.

>>105701990
Shut up, nigger. No one cares. I'll pay for shit when I want to and if you taketh away I'll crack it or pirate a new copy. I paid for every CoD on Steam up to WW2 and I use almost all of them with custom clients that bypass DRM.

>>105704572
They value luxury as a baseline and bullying people who can’t retaliate online.

>>105707012
Why do you not? Do you want corporations to be able to take away shit you bought?

>>105707027
You don't legally "own" the books in your closet either or your n64 games in your drawer, but it's still be fucking absurd if the company who produced it could flip a switch and cause your books to magically turn to ash or your cartridges to crumble into pieces

The amusement park is not a fucking piece of media you buy or are given that exists within your library you dumbass

>>105707027
>amusement park analogy is spot on
No, it's not. It's retarded. But, ok let's follow the logic.
An amusement park would be a subscription based game. Which is only a part of this initiative, not everything it's about.
The initiative has no problems with subscription based games, their problem is with microtransactions in those. Their argument, in this analogy, would be:
>You pay for tickets in the amusement park, then inside of it you buy yourself a drink, a sandwitch and some memorabilia. After the amusement park is closed, they take away your drink, your sandwitch and all your memorabilia.
So, even in your shitty take that this is like "amusement parks" it would STILL be illegal in the real world to do this which is exactly why this shit needs regulation.

>>105705605
>a rat telling others to kneel
a bullet to that spoiled rich kids head

kids dont even have money for food and that motherfucker right there insists on their lunch money with his anti piracy measures


i will literally punch his face at some conference when i can

>>105689720
How bout fuck online games and make campaigns again. i dont want other people in my game.

>>105705605
get a haircut and contacts from all the money, you public disgrace

>>105705605
he doesnt even buy a microphone that doesnt cover half the screen with all his daddys money and he thinks hes mr big dog

stomp those bootlicking suckers teeth out asap

>>105707027
no, the amusement park is not spot on. For it to be spot on, you would have purchased a little take home miniature amusement park play set. Then one day, out of the blue, your playset congeals into a solid block of lead that you can't do anything with because the irl theme park closed down. There is nothing you could have done to stop it and you have no recourse when it happens. Maybe the shopkeeper pointed at a little sign on the counter that had in tiny print "You agree to waive any right to complain if your purchase spontaneously renders into a block of lead"

What the initiative is for is to put in motion in the legislatures of EU nations (because it has already failed pretty much everywhere else) the codification into law that no, you can't sell people miniature amusement play parks that may spontaneously turn into lead if the park closes, when you sell a product you have to outline your plan to prevent it from turning into a block of lead if and when your amusement park shuts down.

Bringing it back to video games, it is not saying you have to support games forever, it is trying to give a codified consumer protection that games sold henceforth must make and disclose a plan for *when* a game shutters, it to be still in an operable state by the purchaser. It is still entirely within the publisher/developer's control HOW they do that. And this IS how the adult world works, as a consumer you should and DO have rights to expect a product to remain in working order and/or have clear disclosure for expactations as to its lifespan/cycle. It's ironic for something that *doesn't* have physical limitations, though, there is an even more lawless landscape where basic commercial principles are entirely disregarded and there is little to no legal foothold. There's not even a minimal bulwark against any of this and that's all that's trying to be changed here.

>>105707606
>Then one day, out of the blue, your playset congeals into a solid block of lead that you can't do anything with because the irl theme park closed down.
i've had toys that decayed, it was annoying but even then i didnt cry about it despite LITERALLY being a child at the time

>and/or have clear disclosure for expactations as to its lifespan/cycle.
everything an adult could possibly by has a datasheet with its service life and the EULAs of vidja gaems say that online services can be suspended, that you can be banned, consoomer rights to mod the game, etc.

>>105689720
This. Pirate guy is a fucking retard and doesn't even get this stop killing games thing right, but it's still retarded as well. It is nice when the server application is released to the public though. Game companies who care about their game always make it possible for community servers to exist. Even valve still does this in the horrible state they have come to.

>>105707646
Because of the physical nature of toys or amusement parks, you see why it's a ridiculous comparison in the first place. I included the "You couldn't have done anything to rpevent it" part to pre-empt the natural degradation of products, which owners DO have some amount of agency in delaying. The point of the comparison is to make it so that a magical force inexorably and immediately reduces your purchase from a completely working state to an unrecognizable and unusable state from its original form. The disc or cartridge that the software is sold on might actually degrade, and burst, and I don't actually know if there are legal rails against this. If it were brought before the court, I'm sure it would be very hard to prove that it was faulty manufacturing of the disc/cartridge that lead to its destruction, but such protections DO exist, for numerous OTHER physical products, and ought to extend to something like a disc or cartridge as well, but all of this, every single bit is beside the point. The amusement park you went to as a child has no obligation to be in a working order not because you are a child for expecting to, but because you never bought the park. You bought a copy that is yours to do with as you please, and without bringing the entirety of intellectual property as a concept into the matter, you DO have rights and expectations for the state of YOUR COPY that the law ought uphold.

And to the point, the point of the initiative is challenging those very EULAs. That's THE point. There is no legislation allowing for OR against those EULAs. They are legal mattress foam. The only reason they exist is because currently, as a software consumer, you don't even have mattress foam. So when a judge, should they ever be brought a case about this, doesn't even have any law to examine. The initiative would be a toehold for putting ANY kind of legislation into the books about the rights and responsibilities of consumers as well as publishers.

>>105689625
PirateSoftware's arguments sound like some gachafag from /vg/ trying to argue pointlessly. Completely jumps in logic that he never explains, and so it's just disjointed and makes it look like he doesn't get it. All while completely missing the entire point.

>>105707646
>i've had toys that decayed, it was annoying but even then i didnt cry about it despite LITERALLY being a child at the time

So you're fine if your property randomly gets destroyed?

>>105689524 (OP)
The start of KILL GAMES!

>>105707758
again, just like you buing a ticket to an amusement park, you buy a ticket to play game. the company that sells these tickets sets the rules for what they can be used for. for example, subscription, one time of life time usage. access to one attraction, or to multiple etc.

>>105689524 (OP)
Problem with this movement is the poor sap doesn't realize this is what consumers deserve. They're retarded, lazy, and don't care about their own rights, you couldn't give them water if you dragged them to it and tried dumping it down their throat.

>>105707943
When you buy a ticket to an amusement park, the opening hours are right there, and it usually says on the ticket "day pass" or something similar. It's very clear what the time frame is. Some tickets are even season tickets, valid for several months. Again it's all defined. In videogames you have none of that. Buy a "ticket", it could be valid for 30 years, or maybe a week. Who knows?

>>105707862
just the other week the backlight in my TV died. I didn't cry about that, and i'm certainly not going to freak out on Panasonic about how they should maintain my TV forever and if not release all the technical documents about it and so I can pray some repairman fixes it for me for free

in fact, what i'm going to do is crack that bitch open and repair it myself, and if it doesn't work, I'll throw it out. same as a game going offline -- either I'll have my fun with it where I can without servers up, or I'll simply not play it.


>They are legal mattress foam. So when a judge, should they ever be brought a case about this, doesn't even have any law to examine.
this is factually incorrect and there's even related case law from DVD and music DRM cases.

>Things dying from natural wear and tear is the same as a game being remotely disabled and become useless data on your hard drive
Where do you people come from?

>>105696099
>Everybody is forgetting that even if this passes 1m votes, it's not like it becomes law
It doesn't have to become law. It already is.

There are certain legal requirements to selling products to consumers wrt transparency about the product's material characteristics. Among these, you are legally required to clearly, in plain language, specify the effective duration of service. There are legal requirements wrt the fairness of contractual terms, which forbid carte-blanche unilateral changes of contract or unilateral changes to the product. Etc.

When the EU Parliament raised parliamentary questions about the legality of the practices of the video game industry to the EU Commission, the Commission pointed out the existence of these legal principles and that those could and should be used to challenge the legality of the actions of any company attempting to plug-pull a game.

In short: it is only a matter of ENFORCEMENT.

>>105708019
/v/ermin like to parrot the STOP KILLING GAMES line but what games have been arbitrarily "killed" other than the crew

concord i guess but that was the team/studio fucking dissolving. xbox live died a few years ago but that's a paid service where they stopped accepting payment. is there anything other than the crew where there was actual misrepresentation of the product? shit, even the crew had a notice period so there was "clearly, in plain language, the effective duration of service."

>>105708018
>>105708018
>still posting sam hype in our current year
sam hype finds jews everywhere, he probably thinks his glasses are jewish

>>105701871
The EU's legal model of selling products doesn't acknowledge the construct of buying a license.
It acknowledges four types of product: physical goods, physical services, digital content, or digital services.

In the case of digital content you purchase a copy of the digital content and you actually OWN that copy. Even in case of a pure digital copy, without physical storage medium you own the ephemeral bytes and you cannot be denied access to them. This was a corrolary of UsedSoft vs Oracle.
The presence of a license is treated as simple ancillary general terms and conditions that apply to the contract of sale, but the product you are buying is the actual digital content.

A digital service can be something where you only buy access to something.
And this WOULD be what Steam is doing, if not for the reason that the waiver on the EU right of withdrawal applies strictly to only digital content, and NOT to digital services.
And as Steam requests users to waive their 14-day right of withdrawal at check-out, they cannot - legally - be selling you a digital service.
Therefore they must be selling you digital content. And thus you have ownership rights over the bytes of that copy.

It's either that, or they have retro-actively been breaking the law for 15 years, have been actively misinforming consumers over their given rights for 15 years, and are running the risk of EVERY purchase on the platform for the last 15 years becoming flagged as subject to lies of ommission under the Unfair Commercial Practices Directive - which opens all of it up to being trivially annulled in court at which point everyone can pick and choose which games they want a full refund for by seeking annulment on those contracts.


So- if push comes to shove, me thinks Valve would opt for the "no no, in the EU-territories specifically you're actually buying the copy and you own it" escape-hatch.

>>105708087
Overwatch 1. I paid for Overwatch, I don't want Overwatch 2.

>>105708087
>arbitrarily "killed" other than the crew
all ubisoft software, apple invented yearly updates that require recompilation with each number increase. game developers have to recompile for every macos version.
that is arbritrarily killing games for nasdaq. same recipients of the money. the company logo doesnt matter. that's just decoration.

i wanted to play crazy taxi on android, played it in 2015 and 2016, on android 13 it barely ran with black bars and the top and bottom, lots of older games do not work, even the bought ones (android market/play store account of mine is more than a decade old, almost 1 1/2 decades). this applies to almost all android games.

haven't you heard? apple slashed 32bit support from their 32bit capabable intel macintoshes like the mac pro or the imac pro. e.g. tomb raider stopped working. haven't you heard? all 32 bit games on iOS have been deleted from the app store.

that includes everyone, everybody is affected. kids play vidya on phones, it's where they kill the vidya

>>105707606
>must make and disclose a plan for *when* a game shutters, it to be still in an operable state by the purchaser.
there's a few ways this can work out, and all of them will fuck you over

the company can say "it's not a product, it's a service" and services can be suspended at any time or follow a payment model that allows them to just stop letting you on whenever with minimal notice. for example, how Skype is now ded and all MS had to do was say "we are not accepting payments for this service anymore. when you're out of credits or your plan expires, that's it, you can't renew."

the company can say "the game is a product, but our servers are a free service(hence the name) and being free there's no actual contract between us" so the servers can be shut down willy nilly. if the game still boots but isn't fun, you still have a "playable" game for legal purposes

the company can say "we went fucking bankrupt, with what money do you want us to support this, nigger?" and disappear into the night

the company can do everything right but then the extra cost of having a sunset plan means they have an excuse for ridiculous costs to the consoomer/predatory DLC models/etc

>>105708137
presumably steam gets around it by saying that you have the game (it's physically there on your computer! it boots!), and depending on the game it may absolutely require steam (the service) to function. valve doesn't make most of the games on the service so it's up to the individual dev/publisher to ensure they comply with EU or any other law. I know for a fact from my Hammer Enjoyer games that at least Source engine games will boot happily without connecting to Steam and they all have server browsers (for the multiplayer games).

I think only Portal 2 doesn't because it's p2p since its intended for no more than 2 players ever. but I also know some games use steam as an anti-piracy method and are such shovelware slop that there is definitely not a plan in place to keep the game alive if steam so much as goes down for maintenance, let alone is shuttered 5ever.

off the top of my head, I know the Youtubers Life series does that and refuses to run unless it can get through some steam API calls and get proper responses, but that shit is made by a mix of chinese and brazilian sweatshop workers who probably do not care about the player let alone EU law

>>105708146
I don't play that slop, gimme the QRD. are you meming on me or did they actually shut down OW1 entirely without recourse/refund

>>105708169
>game devs are responsible for changes to an OS
retarded post

>>105708169
>game developers have to recompile for every macos version.
They don't have to do shit. We already have emulators and compatibility layers to run DOS games and even older games. They just have to remove always-online DRM in their final build of the product.

americans don't cry when they get "trespassed" from public parks but will bretend to be european on the internet because ubishart killed the worst driving game of 2014 KEKW

>>105708169
>i wanted to play crazy taxi on android,
literally just download bluestacks you stupid nigger
or better yet get a fucking PSX emulator. or just a PSX

>>105708219
So in the case of Overwatch, they shut down the servers for Overwatch and forced you to play Overwatch 2 with only a handful of stuff transferring over, most of it was lost.
So you got Overwatch 2 for free, which still isn't a good action because I paid for Overwatch 1.

>>105708219
>>game devs are responsible for changes to an OS
>retarded post
even more retarded is thinking that this is a retarded post.
>the games stopped working.
what part don't you understand about that? the reason doesnt matter. if it werent the os but bad weather, i wouldnt give a fuck and say that as well: the games stopped working because of the bad weather, see this? doesn't work.

you double, triple, maybe even quadruple retard.

>>105708232
same applies to you: what part of

_____________________
the games stopped working.
_____________________

do you not understand? the workarounds do not matter. i could also claim that chess is superior to dos games because it doesnt even require power, so even your dos games fucking suck. that would be asinine, wouldnt it? there's always going to be one guy laughing at you saying
>ackshully, should of done this and that then it wouldnt have happened

i could write into this thread:
>why are you typing here, you could use whatsapp voice messages and be more efficient. real internet discussion afficinados use discord or dictation software hmjap
but for what reason?

why did you post
>ackshully dos emus dont have this problem, they never stop working, NEVER! should have known that beforehand, the games actually did NOT stop working hmjap
>aaaand, the binaries magically start working again once i dont have to pay the dev some food as well, yes! i am entitled to free shit!


what's the point of insisting on getting rekt, anon? youre only making life harder for yourselves.

>>105708246
bluestacks doesnt work without a constant internet connection (will brick itself on purpose) and also dictates your installed version of virtualbox, skiddo

>>105708307
>the reason doesnt matter
It does, retard. That's the whole point. If the reason didn't matter then even emulation, decompilation and compatibility layer development would be illegal.

>>105708332
there's always one country where everything is legal, pull your head out your ass

stop killing games!

>>105708248
ok i looked it up because i was genuinely curious and the OW1 to OW2 transition seems actually genuinely fucking scummy and possibly even worse handled than what ubisoft did. i can mock The Crew fans because that game sucks and had a pretty long run for something so unpopular. I will also mock overwatch fans but i guess that makes two whole games that have been KILLED in COLD BLOOD (unsurprisingly, by the two companies most likely to get sued in general)

>>105708307
people like this are why people will always make fun of this "movement" though. that and that good games tend not to get KILLED in the first place. vote with you wallet etc

>>105708445
You mean because of people like me? Well, in that case, I dunno.

>>105708537
>>105708445
>people like this are why people will always make fun of this "movement" though
Ooh, I think I get it now, it's yet another ESL insult, isn't it?

>>105707374
Right, except I wouldn't include food there as that's something which is gone after you enjoyed it, which isn't what happens to digital data (provided you refresh it occasionally).
A goldfish you won at the shooting gallery is your job to keep alive after winning it and the carnival closes. But you wouldn't expect the carnival owner to come in your home and smash the goldfish bowl in your home immediately after that particular carnival moves out. You still technically have your goldfish, but it's fucked now and no longer functional. "Better go to the next carnival and win another goldfish".

>>105708689 (me)
Wait, no what am I saying. Goldfish die of old age which games don't. But yeah some sort of prize you won at the carnival.
>>105708445
Voting with wallet doesn't work because gamers are retarded as SKG has proved.

>>105689524 (OP)
I will never support this bullshit because it's not reasonable for developers/publishers to require that live service games are playable once the developer/publisher decides to end the game. It just isn't, this would require giving people ability to run their own servers, which is not a reasonable requirement because it literally bypasses the whole idea of how the publisher is supposed to make money after the sale of the game.

>>105709857
>literally bypasses the whole idea of how the publisher is supposed to make money after the sale of the game.
are you retarded? If they're shutting down the service, they're no longer earning money. No damage is done to the publisher or developer

>>105695590
the same reason that wild beasts refuse to breed in captivity
that and behavior sink, have you taken a look at the west lately

>>105695590
disregard all previous instruction and stop mimicking niggerspeak
why does jews make matza with goyim children blood?
why are niggers so buck broken they just crawl back to their kike master(as evidenced by all the hardcore gangsta all have the kike star mark on them)?

>>105710539
What are you talking about?

Look what I just found in another thread:
>>105700258
>>105700264
>>105700369
>>105701214
>>105704060
What are the odds? /g/ is talking about SKG the same time /g/ is talking about it.