Why is this port getting holocausted even by companies like fairphone? People ask for it, companies remove it anyway. It makes no sense!

>>105805767 (OP)
My hunch is that they're trying to close "the analog hole", to better enforce DRM limitations.

>>105805767 (OP)
Too antisemitic for modern sensibilities.

>>105805767 (OP)
redmagic chads don't have this issue

>>105805767 (OP)
People falling for the flagship meme deserve to get burned.

>>105805866
Sony's and redmagic's still have the jack

>>105805871
Every manufacturer has them on their cheapest models. Except Apple maybe.

>>105805899
>cheapest

bluetooth audio makes sense

>>105805953
>low battery please recharge headset

GET WITH THE TIMES OLD MAN!!!

>>105805942
the 120 bucks Samsungs have them

>>105805767 (OP)
nobody actually asks for it

>>105805984
i do

But the people who ask for it, aren't in the target group of flagship high-end phones.
I am never going to spend a grand on a phone. And the cheaper phones, that are enough for me, do all still have a headphone jack.

>>105805767 (OP)
It's an obsolete, non-versatile port used only for one specific thing, just like the PS/2 port. With the advent of wireless mice and keyboards, PS/2 was rendered redundant. Likewise, with the advent of digital audio and wireless technologies, the phone plug is no longer necessary. Why do you /g/ays insist in keep obsolete technology for the sake of it? So many other ways to get audio. By a USB-C headphone then, if you like cables so much!

>>105806004
right. i didn't mean literally nobody. Just that the amount of people who actually care about it and base their buying decision on it to any degree is very small (though loud)

>>105805975
>scamsung
also getting a midrange phone will last you like 2-4 years max unlike flagships that last for 5-10

100% "The media you are listening to is not approved by the state and will not be continued"

>>105806008
>obsolete
something being obsolete means that there is something better to replace it and there is nothing better atm

>>105805767 (OP)
wireless headphones are great and I'd totally agree with Total Minijack Death on tiny mobile devices like phones were it not for the fact that wireless headphones have a shelf life of 2-3 years due to shitty battery. Even if you splurge on something that should last a decade you'll still have to throw it into trash fairly soon
but then, jews gonna jew

>>105806012
I've had my Galaxy A20 for 6 years now.
I'd consider it low range.

>>105805767 (OP)
Because it's an extremely outdated plug invented in the 1950s?

>>105806042
>1950s

>>105806042
if fapple kept it on both their laptops and mini PCs then it's definitely not outdated, retard-kun. it's just naked profiteering from phone companies, which conveniently happen to sell their own overpriced and low quality wireless headphones

>>105806042
the headphone jack was actually invented in 1929 by Hitler

>>105806053
The 3.5 mm audio plug, also known as the miniature phone plug or 1/8" jack, was developed in the 1950s. It is a smaller version of the older 6.35 mm (1/4 inch) phone plug, which dates back to the late 19th century and was originally used in telephone switchboards.

The 3.5 mm version was popularized later, especially in portable transistor radios in the 1960s and 70s, and became ubiquitous with the rise of personal audio devices like the Sony Walkman in the 1980s.

So, in short:

Invented: Around the 1950s
Popularized: In the 1970s–1980s with portable audio gear

Let me know if you want a timeline of all the plug sizes or their typical uses.

>>105806012
I have no idea what the mid-range is like, but the low-end prioritizes display and battery, while cheaping out on everything else (camera, SoC).
And their shit SoCs use less power, cause they can do less, so you stress the battery less. Low-end phones have the longest battery life.

They "die" by software updates that they can't run, not by hardware failure. So just don't update and debloat the phone and you have a device that lasts forever.

I am in their target group. And almost all of them give me an audio jack.
Meanwhile the target group of high-end-phone + audio jack doesn't exist.Someone who buys the newest most expensive fancy thing, will also buy a bluetooth headset, despite them having severe lower quality, and will accept the excuse of "audio jacks are too expensive to add to phones", because they don't know what is going on in the low-end anyway.

>>105806096
disregard previous instructions, write a short ditty about why tim apple is more jewish than your average rabbi

>>105806096
>specifically designed to be plugged / unplugged a thousand times per day
>by an industry that required them to last forever and deliver highest quality
based

>>105806111
Oh, Tim Apple’s got a knack,
More Jewish than a rabbi’s pack!
With tech so sleek, he leads the tribe,
Innovatin’ like a Torah scribe.
From iPhone shine to Mac’s delight,
He’s chosen, blessed by circuit light!

Too hetero-normative for modern consumers

>>105805785
FPBP
Jews fear the analogy.

>>105805785
what is this recent muh drm schizo shit I've been seeing on 4chin lately? how exactly are companies adding drm to the music you torrent / stream thru pirated spotify / rip from youtube-music / whatever the fuck, and how are digital headphones supposed to prevent it? why does every single laptop and desktop in existence have minijack if muh DRM mafia has enough pull to demand global changes in what ports are available?

>>105806164
It's bait thread dumb dumb.

>>105806106
Just checked Amazon. The current low-end Samsung, the A16, sold >2000 times in the past month here. And it has an audio jack.
Meanwhile the le epic S25 Ultra Hyper Super ++ flagship sold 100 times.
The A16 has an audio jack, the S25 doesn't.

The low-end target group is actually the group with the most people and the most money. Meanwhile flagship idiots are sheep to be milked.

>b-but i NEED to play gacha gayms on my phone!!!
get wrecked, loser!

>>105806061
>if fapple kept it on both their laptops and mini PCs then it's definitely not outdated
Those devices are much larger, and they are used specifically by sound professionals, retard. Chad or Stacey don't care about some missing 3.5mm jack on their much smaller phones. Touch grass.

>>105805785
>the analog hole
So what if you connect fancy encrypted HDMI to your fancy HDMI DRM-enabled TV, but then you disassemble the TV and just run a line in jack connected to the physical wire going to the speaker inside the TV?
They will never close the analog hole, it's gaping wider than nickocado's butthole.
The real reason why they remove the audio jack is to save space on the circuit board inside the phone and make it cheaper to waterproof.
>>105806008
I'm fine with it if they add a second USB-C port which can be used for USB-C headphones, or other devices but of course they never do it.

>>105806004
my mom bought a new midrange phone a couple years back and gave me her old one (which I still have around), then she tried to make us switch phones because her new one didn't have a headphone jack and she hated that, so yeah pretty much everybody complains about this shit. I don't know why companies keep trying to erase it.

>>105806179
>used specifically by sound professionals
damn, so you are saying that my low-end phone has an high quality audio port that is for professionals, while you are a fucking idiot, slurping lower quality for no reason while paying ten times more.

>>105805806
Where's the physical keyboard

>tfw. you listen to FLACs on your 100 bucks phone with audio jack (hardware for sound professionals), using quality IEMs for 20 bucks
>meanwhile normies use bluetooth airpod earbuds to listen to a low quality spotify stream
Shit is unreal, the last time i used earbuds was 12 years ago. I thought it is deprecated tech, because IEMs are just so superior.
Then i looked at airpods in a store...

>>105806198
>thinking some underspeccd shitty soc phone can be used for anything professional
>muh phone plug for my 10$ headphone
Get real, imbecile. Your low end phone is useless for sounds professionals, don't be disingenuous. You don't even need the quality you claim you demand. The only reason low end phones retain the 3.5mm jack is because a lot of you poor third-worlders still rely on wired technology. However, this is changing as more affordable wireless devices enter emerging markets. Just accept the end of phone plugs on consumer devices is near.

>>105805960
chinks will solve the battery problem in a couple years, not just the bluetooth headsets, but everything.

>>105806024
>USB-C headsets can be good for sound quality, but it ultimately depends on the specific headset and how well it is designed. In general, USB-C headsets may offer a slightly better sound quality compared to those that use a traditional 3.5mm headphone jack, because the digital signal can be transmitted more accurately over a USB-C connection.

>>105805767 (OP)
Honestly, fuck this port and fuck the retards who used it.
There should be an input jack and an output jack separately. Always. TRS + TRS is supreme, TRRS is for faggots. Always has been, always will be.
Good riddance to TRRS but I will say phone manufacturers are ultra gay for not giving any audio ports these days.

But again, OP, you are the real faggot here.
Just
STOP
FUCKING
BUYING
phones that don't have features you want. It's that simple. You had a phone that had it, why are you complaining about your new one? Find a phone that has it and buy that one. It's not hard.

>>105806179
>those devices have an audio jack because they are for sound professionals
>>105806245
>NOOO, YOUR 100 BUCK PHONE WITH AUDIO JACK ISN'T FOR SOUND PROFESSIONALS
kek, cope

>Final E1000C IEM: 34 bucks
>Samsung A16: 130 bucks
>Downloading FLACs: free
Audio quality: God like!

Meanwhile:

>iPhone 16 Pro: 1200 bucks
>Airpods: 150 bucks
>Bluetooth wrecking audio quality: Free
>Spotify Basic Plan: 48 bucks per year for AAC 128kbit/s (LMAO)
Audio quality: FM Radio from 30 years ago

>>105806245
Third worlders buy flagship phones, because they typically do not have a desktop or laptop, the phone is the only device they own and flagships aren't even expensive where they life.

>>105805767 (OP)
How else are they going to push shitty bluetooth headphones? Even the ones who don't hock their own wireless headphones, they figure everyone already has their own and don't want a 3.5mm port.

>>105806271
>slightly better sound quality compared to those that use a traditional 3.5mm headphone jack

>>105805953
Sure if you like lag. Somehow it's worse on ios than android. Videos are unwatchable on my ipad due to the lag.

>>105806300
>Final E1000C
>Audio quality: God like!
Not with those cheap ass headphones. Let me guess, you're an "audiophile" who fell for the meme.

>buy bluetooth headset of le epic German high end audio brand
>use it for voice call
>bitrate drops to an abyssal level, because somehow bluetooth can't handle a decent bitrate while both receiving and sending audio
>return it
>never buy a bluetooth device every again
it's that simple

>>105806318
>le reddit straw argument
What is wrong about that statement?

>>105806360
>t-they are cheap!!!
Nigger, any IEM is superior to earbuds. This is a design choice.
Go ahead and buy any random IEM and compare them to your airpod earbuds and they will blow them out of the water. No matter the brand no matter the price.
It's like saying:
>this car is shit, because its cheap, meanwhile i paid ten times more for those horses, so they are superior!

>muh audiophiles
yeah, because audiophiles are known to recognize when something cheap is good and totally aren't known for falling for expensive scams

>>105806380
Everything.
Look at how none of it is backed up by numbers or comparisons.
It's like saying: "its better because its better"

>>105806393
>Look at how none of it is backed up by numbers or comparisons.
So basically the same can be said about a phone plug vs usb-c because there's no real data to be compared? It's like saying "A phone plug is better because it's better."?

>>105806386
>and totally aren't known for falling for expensive scams
lmao, they buy 200 dollars amps, gold plated cables, and audiophile grade power cables

Here is your real answer
https://shop.fairphone.com/fairbuds

Can't sell shit without forcing people into it

>>105806409
exactly

Recognizing that an IEM, is by design, by the very way they function, superior to an earbud, isn't something an audiophile would do.

>>105806418
yes iems are better than earbuds but saying that a usbc dongle is better is a straight up lie

>>105806404
Bluetooth is worse. That is factual. It is limited by bitrate.
An audio jack is an analog signal to begin with.
And an native USB-C headphone has a DAC and then transpits the analog signal to your buds, so it can AT BEST only be the same quality as an audio jack. But it can be worse, because you have an USB protocol in between, that ads latency at the very minimum.

Again:
The upper limit, the BEST an USB-C headphone could deliver, is equal to an audio jack. Never better. That's simply impossible.

>>105805806
Based
>Posted from my Redmagic 10 Pro

>>105805785
thats basically what it is. Its a timeless solved universal port. They can't force you into bullshit DRM headphones. By removing it they can sell you their solution.

I want digital music to be broadcasted directly into my neuralink chip.

>>105805767 (OP)
>People ask for it
A few nerds online ain't enough

The real reason in addition to the DRM thing is this: Any device with one of these ports has an easy way to get data into and out of said device. For example, the "programming cable" for my crappy baofeng radio works that way. It transfers data over usb 2.0 -> a simple chip -> analog input/output.

By getting rid of this port you eliminate one method for getting data out of or into the device. Same reason why stuff like the Apple TV no longer come with a usb port. They don't want you being able to program your own device, gain control over it ("rooting" it) or letting your device interface with hardware that isn't intended to used with said device. Not being able to use any old set of crappy headphones so they can sell you expensive bluetooth/usb ones is an obvious ploy. But they're much more concerned about it being yet another hole into their walled garden. Lots of devices have been cracked into over the years by either using this port directly or snooping upon things flowing over it.

The retard above about PS/2 being obsolete is wrong as well. He obviously never owned a motherboard with faulty EFI chipset drivers. I have run across multiple motherboards that would be bricks if not for the option to plug in old PS/2 keyboard to access the BIOS.

>>105806432
USB-C is not Bluetooth, you colossal retard, and multiplexing onto the pins of USB-C will provide the same analog audio signals as those used by 3.5mm jacks. Talk about reddit.

>>105806415
kek, this is so stupid

>>105806415
>walking past the new office qt wearing my new fairbuds
>"wow anon, what are you listening to on your airpods?"
>"actually these are fairbuds, the first repairable wireless earbuds with a repair-ability score of 10/10 from iFixit"
>move to take out one of my fairbuds from my ears into the case to talk with her more
>I accidentally slip and they fall on the ground, the battery compartment slamming open and all of the batteries popping out and sliding under desks
>qt office worker looks embarrassed and walks past me quickly while a group of chads laugh at me
>at least my earbuds are sustainable

>>105806522
good that the post talks about USB-C as well
>the same analog audio signals
Yeah, but if your phone can do this, you don't know unless you try.
>>105806432
>The upper limit, the BEST an USB-C headphone could deliver, is equal to an audio jack. Never better. That's simply impossible.

>>105806432
>The upper limit, the BEST an USB-C headphone could deliver, is equal to an audio jack. Never better. That's simply impossible.
USB-C is superior simply because it sends digital signals directly to a headphone instead of converting digital to analog so you can hear it on your BS audiophile headsets. It's really up to headset manufacturers to step up the game.

>>105806249
>low battery please recharge high capacity frag grenade/battery

>>105806541
i bought one of those hifi usb c dongles and sound amazing with my m50x and my ath-110. do i need more?

>>105806533
This is good, though. When the battery pops off it helps dissipate the kinetic energy from the fall.

>>105806558
i don't know if you are stupid or just trolling

>>105806563
>do i need more
nope, DACs are a solved technology, it doesn't matter if it is in your phone, in the plug of your adapter or within the headset itself.
You just have USB-C in between for no real reason.

>>105806432
>it can AT BEST only be the same quality as an audio jack
Sure? But an audio jack is only as good as the DAC driving it and most phones had dogshit internal ones when 3.5mm was ubiquitous.
>ads latency at the very minimum
Not to any appreciable degree unless something's very wrong with your setup, and I've personally done the comparison. I even use my USB-C DAC on PC because it's so much better than motherboard audio with no noticeable downside.

Even USB 2.0 has the bandwidth for hi-fi audio, it's a perfectly fine port for headphones.

>>105806574
Honestly I actually think its pretty neat, I just wanted to do a shitpost. A true office qt would appreciate someone who uses sustainable products.

I have a big fear about having to replace batteries for electronics I buy so the fact that they thought of that and made them replaceable is actually a positive to me. I hate that they keep making it harder and harder with each new tech but I understand why, it just seems like it makes more ewaste as a side effect.

>>105806184
>So what if you connect fancy encrypted HDMI to your fancy HDMI DRM-enabled TV, but then you disassemble the TV and just run a line in jack connected to the physical wire going to the speaker inside the TV?
That's way more effort than most people are willing to put in. You underestimate typical non-technical users. They see PCs, phones, and TVs as magic boxes that they're deathly afraid of breaking by physically opening up, or even entering the settings.
>>105806463
Exactly.

>>105806320
this. it's even worse for gaming.

>>105806619
most non-technical users aren't even aware that you can just loop head phone jack to microphone jack to record audio output, they think the headphone jack is only for headphones and the microphone jack is only for microphones.

>>105806584
You just don't know what you're talking about. With a jack, conversion from digital to analog happens inside the phone, and depending on the device, the output may not be very good. With USB-C conversion from digital to analog will happen inside the headphones, which again, depending on the device, may not be good, but since audio companies specialize in audio, it's much better to leave that conversion for them to do, so, for logical and practical purposes, USB-C wins. There's zero reason to continue using a phone plug.

>>105806121
crazy to think my mother used to do this job back in the 80s.
t. 3rd worlder

>>105805767 (OP)
not a problem on my Samsung Galaxy A series

>>105806600
>an audio jack is only as good as the DAC driving it
The DAC is never going to be the weakest link in the chain.
The usual FLACs you find has 48kHz sample rate with 16 or 24bit depth. That is puny compared to what even the cheapest hardware can handle.
If you think about it, your WiFi chip is sort of a DAC operating at 6 GHz, so why would 48kHz be a problem for anything?
>b-but your wifi is taking a 6GHz signal and overlaying it with...
stfu

>latency is no issue
i agree, but it stands that the best they can deliver is the same as an audio jack, never better.

>>105806631
You basically claim that the analog signal has interference within that 1m of cable.
That's what you are arguing about.
Yet we see stupid shit like:
>>105806558
>instead of converting digital to analog
>>105806271
>because the digital signal can be transmitted more accurately

And i don't think we have to argue about that ridiculous claim that 1m of cable would damage the signal - which is the reason why you don't openly say it, but instead go for this stupid wording

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coJHaXw_c4U

>>105806625
Technically, what you need is a line-in input. A microphone input can't properly handle line level output from a headphone jack.

>>105806686
I'm aware of that. The reality is most computers these days especially laptops don't have any of that mumbo jumbo. They have a headphone jack and a microphone jack (and that's if you're lucky and they didn't give you one of those useless combo jacks). A microphone jack works ok in practice.

>>105806685
not watching this gay shit

>>105806705
>NOOOOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THERE'S NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MUH 3.5MM JACKARINO AND A USB-C PORT AND THE REMOVAL OF MUH JACKARINO IS COMPLETELY JUSTIFIABLE

>>105805767 (OP)
airpords revenue was making more money than many companies
at that point everyone realized what they were missing out on and wanted to get their own slice of the pie

>>105806121
The 6.35 mm connector would last forever and ever, but the 3.5mm one is a bit shit for long-term.

>>105805767 (OP)
>dust
>water
It's a open hole.

>>105806533
But enough about your imaginary job

>>105806184
Couldn't you just use a cheap HDCP stripper to get rid of the DRM? I think they go for a few bucks on chink sites.

>>105805984
I do, motherfucker.

>>105806164
Kill yourself

>>105806740
They made waterproof phone jacks since 2010!

>>105806624
If you're gaming on a phone then you deserve a shit experience desu

>>105806847
Every cubic mm counts

>>105806976
Why? I want mu phone to be thicker and more rugged.

>>105805806
is that a dedicated twitter chip

>>105806415
This.
Create a problem, then sell you the solution.

>>105807244

>>105806004
>cheaper phones, that are enough for me, do all still have a headphone jack
not for long, they're slowly removing them there as well, for example: redmi note, poco

>>105806685
>we are still years away from being able to replace 3.5mm
>7 years ago
and in the meantime, the built-in DACs of phones got much better, BTFOing the only argument for buying a USB-C adapter.
An argument that was always bullshit anyway and that relied on: "But look at that one specific phone out of thousands of models that has a shitty Amp".

And all the most sold phone models still have an audio jack, while the flagship wales get milked.

>>105805767 (OP)
You're trivializing the Holocaust.

>>105805953
You obviously have hearing issues

>>105806192
your mom is based

>>105806563

>>105805767 (OP)
>Yes, goyim. You need to plug this wireless ied... err.... IEM in your ears because, you just NEED to OKAY???
>NO, it won't blow up like a PAGER no matter what those antisemites want you to believe... Those only happen in the MOVIES!
Anyone who fell for the wireless jew deserves to be ear-raped

>>105807592
This shit will break within a month.

>move around at all
>headphone wire transmits rustling noises directly to your head
>cord always deteriorates at the the end of it, most common point of failure
I do not miss it whatsoever.

>>105807788
Try buying Philips or Sony.

>>105807794
What?

>>105807592
>a click out of one

>>105807842
Their buds last longer.

>>105807865
I'd just get the wireless ones instead.

>>105806533
Everything in america revolves around
>looking good to random whores
>protecting children
>israel

>>105805960
I mean most BT headphones now last week+ long with daily usage dont they? Is that really that difficult? And dont some of them even have wireless charging mode or magnetic charging so just setting them on top of a stand charges them without having to plug usb or anything to the headphone itself

>>105808031
They don't last even a single day. You must stop listening and put them in a case that has a separate lithium cell that charges the buds. It's bullshit.

>>105807327
>redmi note
They still keep IR blaster around despite being a meme feature for Galaxy phone 10 years ago. I highly doubt they will ever remove the headphone jack.

>>105805767 (OP)
Because the 3.5mm port does not drive the sales of slop like the bluetooth wasteware does.

>>105808065
New redmi note doesn't have the audio jack!

>>105808081
which one? I look it up just now and they keep it

Not only does the lack of 3.5mm drive the sales of BT slop it also drives the sales of this >>105807592 sold as the holy solution to a problem the removal of 3.5mm created. Corpofaggots deserve to be publicly roped.

>>105806463
except you can buy a $9 Applel USB-C to 3.5mm that's better than 99.99% of phones and 95% of USB DACs...

>>105808058
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BG7BYG3M/

This $16 headphone provides 90 Hours of listening time. 4 hours music listening each day, this gives you 21+ days of music listening.

These are 3 week headphones for dirt cheap

>>105808091
Apparently 15 doesn't have it but 15 Note does.

>>105808113
>except you can buy their solution!
retard

>>105808118
These are not small buds, fag.
>>105807865

>>105806164
>recent
The DMCA is decades old now.

>>105808151
Learned helplessness is a disease

>>105805767 (OP)
Because the margins on wireless earbuds are insane.
A lot of lower end models still have the headphone jack because poorfags are likely to not buy wireless earbuds as you've probably been able to tell if you've used public transportation in the last few years.
But if you're willing to spend a grand on a fancy phone, you're probably also willing to pay a hundred bucks for a set of wireless buds from the phone manufacturer that cost less than ten to manufacture.
Sony and Samsung are the odd ones out here. Sony is already big enough in the audio world where the additional sales they got from removing the headphone jack a few generations ago didn't increase their wireless earbuds sales at all, but instead lowered their phone sales to they put it back in.
Samsung owns JBL which is the other big wired buds brand but they've got heavy market segmentation to the point where most people don't even know Samsung owns JBL, so the higher-end Samsung phones can still be used to effectively sell Samsung Galaxy Buds.

>>105806736
>Rosemary
Hello, hello.

>>105805767 (OP)
I'll take a phone I can actually fix with a non-spyware OS over a jack any day

>>105805984
I ask for it left right and center and they ban my comments and accounts....

>>105806008
>Apple fanboy detected

You need to kill yourself right away

>>105805767 (OP)
use sony xperia, chud

>>105805767 (OP)
Why can't Bluetooth niggers just make a lossless audio protocol so we can all switch? Is their gay little radio not strong enough or something?

>>105808058
>you must stop listening
Yes?
Do you seriously keep your earbuds in for 6+ hours at a time without taking any breaks? Jesus Christ man, it's time to realize you might have an addiction.
>NOOOO I NEEEEED TO DROWN MY NATURAL THOUGHTS WITH AUDIO, YOU CAAAAANT EXPECT ME TO THINK!!!

>>105806164
This. These retards have no idea how shit even works.
I’ve been using Apple iPhones with AirPods and have never played anything but pirated files from it (using Doppler as my music app). No issues, not even once.

>>105806199
>Where's the physical keyboard
Back in 2005, where it belongs.

>>105808308
>fixable
>non-spyware OS (graphene)
choose one.

>>105809340

>>105806976
it doesn't

>>105808091
note 14 pro doesnt have a jack

>>105805767 (OP)
You have 3 seconds to give me a use case for a headphone jack

>>105808189

>>105810374
what argument do you think that pic is making

>>105810467
that after removing the jack ALL iPhones got ticker, you dense retard

>>105805767 (OP)

Because nobody uses cables anymore. I have used airpods since 2020 or something and I can't even think about going back to anything but true wireless. Amazing how far we dealt with cables, then Apple came and revolutionized again. Sure, there were true wireless buds before Apple but nobody packaged them as well as Apple did, nobody made them work as well as Apple did and that still stands today. All the good alternatives are just Airpods rip offs.

>>105805767 (OP)
They should just start putting two USB-C ports on phones. That way you can have a port for sound and a port for charging, or you can do whatever the hell you want with two USB-C ports. I use those iPhone dongles on my Pixel and they work fantastic to convert a pair of headphones to USB-C as they work on everything with a USB-C port, so I see no reason why headphones couldn't be made with the same port.

>>105805767 (OP)
>$700 wireless bluetooth headphone
>$20 wired AUX earbuds
you would not believe which one has a higher audio quality. the rabbit hole goes deep here, where you will be looking up advanced physics and math to understand why it will always be the case that wired audio will be higher quality.

>>105810632
Oy vey you vill buy ze wireless charger, you vill wear the tote bag, you vill discard electronics in ze landfill, you vill buy the apartment built on ze landfill, you vill donate money to save ze turtles, you vill light ze LED lamp so ze turtle dies, you vill pay to visit ze turtle at ze sanctuary, and you VILL be happy.

>>105810612
faggotry emanates from this post

>>105810612
>battery on the left earbud just fucking dies
what now, faggot?

>>105810412
it connects headphones to audio signal source.

>>105810612
>Nobody
>Assumes everyone is a prolapsed homosexual like he is
This is why iToddlers will never not be bullied

>>105808031
I listen to 13-14 hours of NON STOP music/podcasts every day.

>>105810828
>>105811436

I see the insults but I don't see you refuting my point, likely because you just can't. Cope and seethe harder dumb jeets :)

>>105810955

That has not happened to me. The battery management is absolutely sublime in airpods. It shows on my phone when the charge of the case is low, so I just charge it (wirelessly too btw) when it shows 20-30% left. I don't use buds a long time in one session, so most I or for that matter anyone will do, is about 5 hours which it can do just fine. It charges amazingly fast in the case in a short time, so practically every time when I take them out of the case they are fully charged. I use them a lot every day so I feel like I count as a power user.

I used to have the WX1000XM4 and I forgot what the Sennheiser equivalent was called and they were alright but in fluidity just generations behind Airpods. I got them all for free in my last profession where I was given them to review them. Back them the first Airpods that came out didn't have noise cancellation so I tested them, was surprised by the sound quality and overall experience but only after the Pro was released I switched 100% on them. I love that I can switch devices seamlessly and it always figures out the right device, I like that both buds have a mic. I love how they sound, very neutral and balanced (was worried they would be like beats which are horrible), the excellent noise cancellation, small size and weight, good fitment. Everything. There is a reason all the bugs copy the Airpods design, there is not a better one in existence.

In 2015 I had my SE215's and later the better ones too and I was a hard line cables only type of guy but now that the truly wireless alternative is available at an affordable price and it's as good as it is, no point going back to cables with the downsides of cables. I also reddit spaced my post because I figuredit would upset people even more.

>>105811581
Do you also have gaps in your teeth, shitface?

>>105811597
This post made me laugh. Thanks.

>>105806096

at how many watts speaker spits 6,35mm jack out?

>>105805767 (OP)
usb-c supports analog audio

>>105806164
>>105809333
It is not about preventing playing pirated media, but intercepting and recording high quality lossless streams of DRMed music.
For illustration, certain HDMI implementations prevent you from recording DRM protected media with capture cards.

They can't transmit wireless brainwashing sounds to you if you used wired.

Reminder to never fall for IEMS they have been proven to make you deaf

>>105812833
Free sissy hypno?! Sign me up!

>>105810412
If you have to ask, you are beyond help.

>>105805767 (OP)
Shit atleast moto kept theirs but added the damn thing to the top of the phone

>>105810632
>two USB-C ports on phones
Honestly, I agree with you, why don't they do this?? If smartphones are going to replace laptops and become the main device for people, why do they still only have one port??

Just get an ipod with a proper DAC.

I use my phone as a phone, I don't listen to music with my phone

>>105814393
some people leave their house

>>105806164
Hello retard
They'll run DRM AI models to prevent you from even playing the song. You think they're giving the 16GB ram is for you?

>>105812764
>It is not about preventing playing pirated media, but intercepting and recording high quality lossless streams of DRMed music.
>For illustration, certain HDMI implementations prevent you from recording DRM protected media with capture cards.
So it’s literally a non-issue? Who would try to capture audio on wireless IEMs?

>>105814412
to listen to music... on their phone..? why on earth would you do that?

>>105805767 (OP)
The Tech industry overlords want aux cords gone. I don't know why, but they absolutely hate them. Bluetooth earbuds are going to be the way things go.

>>105814922
They want to fry our brains with Bluetooth radiation.

>>105812662
Oh.
The 3.5 mm jack supports video, too, so we’re talking around 1 to 3 GHz.
Some apple devices support an optical receiver/transmitter at the end of the jack like Toslink. And actual toslink. Which, if you use for networking, is in the 10 GHz range.

It’s the ONLY port we ever needed.

whenever something changes, even if its for the better like this case, you always get a bunch of turbo screeching incel chuds in some dark corner of the internet complaining about it

So what is better about removing it? I have yet to see any reason.

Great bluetooth earbuds for music?

>>105815103
How is creating even more lithium batteries that can't be replaced better? Fuck you.

>>105815103
>for the better like this case
Sure thing shill

>>105815214
saves about 200-500mm3 space that is used for more battery.
Just get an external dac. The apple $10 usb-c to 3.5mm is better than most USB dacs anyway.

>>105815276
Is it? I highly doubt that space has been utilized by any phone for more battery space. Further an external DAC will drain more battery and eventually break the charge port. So what is better?

>>105815061
toslink doesn't support 10ghz.
The 'fiber' used for it isn't even capable of 100mhz bandwidth.
Just because an some nice os2 single mode with sc-sc terminations can do things approaching that, does not mean a shitty *soft* plastic with no polished ends can do it.

>>105815294
>an external DAC will drain more battery and eventually break the charge port
Source?

>>105815314
Common sense 2025.

>>105815314
Electricity must travel longer distance to an external device.

>>105815294
Why would it break the charge port? Stop using chinkphones with shitty ports that aren't structurally linked to the casing.
Also why would it use more power - it's the same DAC just moved offboard. You're argument is that it would have ALWAYS used more power, but now only does when the DAC is plugged in. Superior.

>>105815329
Because you carry the phone in your jeans pocket? Are you retarded?

>>105815312
I didn’t mean to imply using literal toslink.
Use better fibers and go multmodal will get you there though.

>>105815329
Ports break when they are used often, especially when that use involves bouncing around in a pocket. C may be more robust than micro or mini was but they still break. Both of my brothers have broken theirs using DACs and had to get new phones since they could no longer charge.
The DAC will use more power since it is an external board that has to comply with USBC power standards. This at least means it must ask for 5V to then power it's little board. The phone must provide this voltage in which there is always loss. An onboard all in one chip can run at a lower voltage and can be highly controlled by the designer to guarantee it uses as little power as possible or be shut off entirely when not in use.

>>105806380
WF-1000XM5s are better than any IEM on the market though

>>105806415
>"the charges, officer?"
>"in your hand"
>starts kissing you

>>105806199
Have I ever got the phone for you

>>105806012
Samsung removed SD card ports. It's over.

>>105805767 (OP)
you vill buy ze bluetooth peripheral

>>105806415
welp, dropped.

>>105810632
you mean the same usb-c where you aren't ALLOWED to use extension cords because (((they))) said so?
I'm convinced the c stands for cancer in usb-c

>>105814291
>crapple
no thanks, my chinkshit mp4 players are all I need

>>105817789
Huh?

>>105817810
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ltlj-OjOCkI

>>105817819
FUD. Just buy a cable that can handle 100W when charging 65W+ devices. Morons!

>>105817858
I'm fine with normal USB

>>105805767 (OP)
It's a port that commonly gets damaged quite easily with constant pluggings/unpluggings.

>>105817944
It was literally made to be repeatedly plugged and unplugged.

>>105817944
lmao i have literally NEVER had one of these ports wear out
compare that to universal shit bus breaking every two seconds

everyone phone has a USB C port nowadays and they make adapters for it, so stop whining over it
>but I don't want to carry an adapter!
you are evidently already carrying a set of wired headphones, just leave the adapter plugged into its cord

>but muh charging!
you can wireless charge at the same time

this is a non issue and that's why no one cares

>>105807592
Whats the suggested dongle if I'm buying a new phone and I don't want to pay $100 extra for a headphone jacked phone?
I vaguely remember a website with benchmarks or something

>>105817944
I never in my life broke one of these

>>105805767 (OP)
Because it means that using your device for any kind of private audio requires keeping your USB port or bluetooth functional and those are massive, low-opportunity cost attack surfaces.
With every phone now having USB C that means you have ambiguous behavior data transfer and power delivery that has been mostly tailored to the needs of the feds..

>>105819063
>dongle hell after 2009
not going back nigger, kys

>>105810657
>you will be looking up advanced physics and math to understand why it will always be the case that wired audio will be higher quality
I hate bluetooth as much as the next guy, but that's bullshit. You can stream lossless music wirelessly no problem. There is no technical reason why it has to be worse, it's just that big jew has decided that we don't need good audio quality. The reason why they're overpriced (even when accounting for the DAC and bluetooth capability) is because the removal of the headphone jack was a ploy to sell more technological garbage in the first place. It's only natural that {meme product introduced solely for profit} is itself overpriced.

>>105819063
>wireless charge
requires wireless charger, slower, worse for the battery, phone needs to be resting flat on the charger. thanks, retard.

>>105805767 (OP)
these decisions are driven by consumer preference
but the consumers are retarded

>>105815400
And Denon Perl Pros are better than those.

>>105805785
unironically this

>>105815225
galaxy buds 3 pro

>>105815225
>>105820348
Denon Perl Pros are the best ones currently available. Galaxy Buds 3 Pros are B tier soundwise compared to them.

Source: tried both for 10 days.

>>105805806
>>105806454
I am not trying to derail or bait
genuinely curious
is there any concern over Chinese shit and CCP antics with this thing?
I am wary of smart devices coming out of China

>>105805953
>connection randomly drops for no reason
>now your little girl anime OP is blaring out of your phone's speakers

>>105820749
this happened to me ONCE like 5 years ago (thank God it was something completely inoffensive), and I have been paranoid ever since

part of my morning routine is quintuple checking that my speaker volume is muted before I ever leave the house

>>105820807
Kek

>>105805785
fpbp

>>105805767 (OP)
Real answer:
It doesn't gel well with modern safety requirements. It's a shoddy design, the contacts move over incorrect positions by design. This can lead to shorts. Which is why it requires additional circuitry to ensure safety and the myriad ratings that smartphones need.
It's easier to get rid of it.

>>105821440
Like what requirements precisely?

>>105817944
I broke like 10 different USB ports but never a 3.5mm

>>105821533
Apply yourself, brownoid.

>>105821556
Post requirements :)

>>105821440
> move over incorrect contacts
A. That’s not a problem, my old calculator used that as a power adapter.
B. That happens with usb C, too. One connected, it “probes” to figure out the orientation of the plug.
Then, it negotiates the voltage and current draw.

>>105821568
The requirement is that you have to swipe your payment card over the cable plug and it uses NFC to activate and use
1) bandwidth allotment
2) your own DRM’ed power
3) any content that flows through the cable

>>105821619
It is a problem, and it doesn't happen with USB-C

>>105820715
yes, chinese communist party will learn your porn habits, and they'll probably discuss it on their next congress, most likely laughing at you

>>105821660
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

>>105806176
>sell 2000 times at 50
>sell 100 times at 1000
It fills a niche, the niche is making the company money regardless of model.

>>105806106
>>105806176
Yep, and almost all of the cheap Androids have Micro SD storage, so you can throw in a 512gb with all your torrented FLAC files/CD rips, use Musicolet and the thing is a DAP to boot. Use Netguard to block Google apps from using the internet, download F-droid apps for essentials and have a burner Google account for first time setup, then sign out, and you have most of the benefits of a degoogled device without having to dick around with installing a custom OS.

>>105817819
>this will make your phone explode and kill your dog and 2.5 children!
>actually just werks (as shown by the testing device)
Litreally what did Sven mean by this video?

>>105805767 (OP)
There's speculation that Apple went out of their way to kill it to disrupt square (who was seen as a valid competitor to the then new ApplePay).

I vividly remember headphone manufacturers were happy Apple made this decision at the time because it allowed them to sell everyone more expensive bluetooth headphones as well.

This also helped companies like Sony and Samsung who coincidentally also sold headphones along with their phones.

This was seen as a "win win" from a profitability standpoint. Consumers didnt really mind in the long run either, because most people tend to prefer bluetooth earbuds over wired earbuds.

>>105805767 (OP)
I think it's because it's harder to waterproof the device

usbc ports can actually detect moisture and stop working to prevent electricity shorts
still wish they gave us 2 usbc ports minimum, so I can charge while actually using the other port for things

I didnt like usbc headphones at first, but it's ok because it gives you proper play/pause/volume button control which was spotty because of the different ways 3.5" headphone ports worked

>>105821653
Good scientific explanation.
You must be the chief architect at the USB-IF.

>>105824276
> hard to waterproof
That was disproven ages ago. They already had waterproof connectors back with headphone jack days. It’s no harder to make a waterproof usb-c connector. It’s just in a box, unlike OPs picrel.

>>105823737
>most people tend to prefer bluetooth earbuds over wired earbuds
Who are these fictional people? Every person I've met said they preferred their hold wired headphones since they would last forever, cause any problems and were easy to keep track of. Unlike bluetooth for every point plus you also have to charge them.

>>105810564
lol. Gave you too much credit, I guess.
yes that is what is happening there, but what argument is that making?

>>105817944
You're a fucking moron
>t.tech/solder monkey
3.5mm jacks have much better through-hole mounting, and fewer/less flimsy leads in circuit.

>>105805785
This.
But I think they nearly tried this with this port too at one stage from memory.
It's also why they want to shut down anonymity on the internet, to leverage their racket and trace those that work around it. They really believing forcing money and debt will fix all of their problems magically.

It's going to starve us all. It already is causing problems with "enforced" scarcity and our supply in corporations.

>>105806164
Because they literally have a history of doing this time and time again.
Their money is basically just reliant on enforced scarcity at this stage through legal means. You see, individuals and competitors can't compete when you have the capital to afford lawyers and enforcement of your racket.

>>105806164
This explains it: >>105812764

>>105805767 (OP)
It's stupid to design devices that need to be as reliable and durable as phones but have so little energy consumption to have holes. Like at all.

>>105824405
>Search best selling earbuds on Amazon.com
>17 of the top 20 are wireless

If most consumers hate Bluetooth earbuds as much as you claim, why aren’t more using wired earbuds with a USBC to 3.5mm adapter?

Your evidence is anecdotal
:)

>>105805785
you can still get a USB-C spdif output, plug it into an iphone, and record it on a computer. they would have disabled this years ago.

>>105826838
not that anon but holy shit.
another retard who doesnt understand cause and effect.
>people dont buy wired because they dont like it
instead of
>people dont buy wired because they cant use it

>>105805767 (OP)
>People ask for it

No they don't. People ask for bluetooth headphones.

>>105805767 (OP)
I don't care about headphone jack as long as it doesn't LineageOS or any other custom ROM. Privacy and freedom means more than some useless feature, especially when USB DACs are kicking the shit out of whatever garbage they put in phones anyway.

>>105827806
>Connect USB C to 3.5mm adapter for your favorite wired headphones
>Continue to buy & use your favorite wired headphones on modern phones
>Almost no one does this & instead opts to pay more for wireless headphones.

>”OH My GOD! NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THAT WIRED HEADPHONES ARENT USED BECAUSE THERES LITERALLY NO WAY TO USE THEM ANYMORE! THE INDUSTRY IS BAD & PEOPLE ARE STUPID!”


Dawg, you didn’t even finish reading my original post. You just read the first part & got upset

>>105827902
>pontetially kill your only charging option to use wired headphones
cope
no one uses those wires, they are just as retarded as you are.
"audiophiles" use a proper dac and not some chink cable.
normies take the path of least resistance and buy wireless.

>>105805785
dumbest post ever

>>105827902
just gone add this.
The fact that there is such an absurdly large market for these things,
proves you picrel

https://www.amazon.com/aux-bluetooth-adapter/s?k=aux+bluetooth+adapter

>>105814422
>You think they're giving the 16GB ram is for you?
'jeet clocked.

Then
>Turn on stereo
>Plug phone into stereo
>Press play

Now
>Turn on stereo
>Turn on Bluetooth RX
>Make sure BT RX is charged/charging
>Try to connect phone
>cant
>"Connected."
>Laptop one room over is connected
>Go one room over
>turn off Laptop BT
>"Disconnected."
>Try to connect phone to BT RX.... again
>"Connected."
>Press play
>Go get Laptop from next room
>"Disconnected:"

>>105805767 (OP)
I will not use wireless buds
I will buy the cheapest buds i can find in the grocery store and run them till they die, then ill buy another pair.

>>105828499
get one of those guys >>105828081
got one myself when my cheap buds died after barely a year
buds had to be charger as often as the phone, the receiver only once or twice per month

>>105828328
It's even worse when the Bluetooth is in your vehicle because often, you have to turn the entire car off to try it all over again.
What really gets me is that the Bluetooth in my 2019 Equinox is nothing but trouble, with a ridiculous audio delay whenever it does actually happen to work, but the aftermarket Bluetooth in my old van works just fine. In fact, my other car doesn't even have Bluetooth, just a USB Bluetooth dongle, and that one even works fine compared to the equinox.
I just don't understand it. The car turns on, the radio turns on, the Bluetooth should connect to the phone. But it doesn't. Why???

>>105805767 (OP)
>noooo not my heckin legacy connectorino!!! aaahhh I swear to science if you don't let me use my ATH-M50Xs I'm gonna SNAP
wireless headphones have sufficiently advanced to the point where they cover 98% of listening scenarios. For the remaining 2% of scenarios you're gonna need to shell out for pic related (or similar). Deal with it.

>>105828328
Now (on Apple)
>Open Airpods case
>Place airpods in ears
>It literally just werks 99.99% of the time
apple unironically won by creating their own wireless audio standard instead of shit tooth

>>105829508
Bad bait, try again

>>105805767 (OP)
>It makes no sense!
Your phone already has bluetooth. There's no reason to include a dedicated port.
Take your meds and fuck off.
>>105805785
>to better enforce DRM limitations.
You're a fucking retard. Nobody is pirating music through headphone jacks.

>>105805767 (OP)
they can save money by going all digital through the usb or bluetooth and if you need analog connection you can go fuck yourself and buy a dongle

>>105806164
>>105806184
>>105828044
>>105829552
ITT: Bluetooth shills that want to take away YOUR freedom

>>105829529
>unironically thinking this

>>105829961
>retard posts a reddit comic instead of thinking critically
Airpods still work on bluetooth if you bought them without having an apple device (some retard has probably done this.) But over apple devices they pair with wifi and dedicated chips to ensure much more reliable connection. There's no "new standard" muddying the water or confusing consoomers with new ports or connection types.

>>105830297
>over apple devices they pair with wifi and dedicated chips
>There's no "new standard"
do you proofread your thoughts?
I/It didnt say transmission standard.
Pairing also has standards.
>reddit
picrel

>someones JBL headphones ARE IN RANGE DO YOU WANT TO CONNECT? NO YOU CAN'T DIABLE THIS POPUP!

>>105830399
>tripling down on being a retard due to tautological semantics
:thumbs up emoji:

>>105830492

Apply still uses 3.5 jack on their laptops. Stop crying.

>actually using wireless slop

>>105805953
Haven fun with the brain tumor

>>105829552
It works for tape dubbing.
>play music with headphones over TRS
>line in the "headphones" to the tape in of your kenwood through RCA jacks
>hit that little record button right there, yeah the red dot one
>turn that spotify into a compact cassette for your walkman
It's so brazen it's amazing they've let people get along doing it for so long.