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>>105829086 (OP)
Just migrate to Japan and become a farmer already

I am golden handcuffed in a shitty position. If I ever get fired, I have nothing to show up from my 3 YOE.
I just can't bring myself to give up on the salary and the hybrid job where I show up in the office at like 11:30 only twice a week.

>I hope this email will never reach you and we all will be in a better place,
>Sincerely,

I genuinely wish this to all of us and even the worst of the evil 4 consultants and sales people (as long as they will stop dragging poor specialist type employees into sales meetings).

>Boss told me they won't renew my contract
>I'll be laid off in the middle of december
Unironically how do I prepare for this
I feel like I've gotten WORSE at pure programming in the last couple of years I've been here

>>105829411
Prepare for interviews
Do interviews.
Learn how to suck dick for interviews.
Bring Chad along to interviews to stop HR Stacy from getting the ick.

>>105829086 (OP)
What was the OPic and why was it delet-ed?

>>105829411

Pure programming isn't hard to pick back up, just grind and memorize LC. I would argue what really sets one apart is the ability to understand the whole stack and system and to do that you should build your own full stack toy app and let the natural questions lead you through good mental pathways.

>>105829562

This post would have hit so hard in 2022

>>105829562
That would be cool I'm in an industry that builds a physical product and so far been insulated from muh ai. To top it off I have 10 years of experience and my actual role is peak grift, but I still provide value because everyone else is more retarded.

Exit plans

>>105829562

>>105829294
Let’s actually consider some logistics here
>Dead economy
>No population growth making the economy perpetually worse
>Houses are cheap but the government still owns it
>The Japanese will (rightfully) never accept you as one of them
>Your name won’t fit on government documents because there’s literally not enough spaces on the forms
>they insist on using letters instead of email so everything is slow
>theres very little variety throughout the country
>the weather sucks most of the year
Visit Japan but don’t move there unless you have a Japanese waifu and no one to leave behind in your homeland.

>told to slow down on work and not take as much as the sr. had a habit of doing too much, but I did get a lot done
>the level 1 & 2 engineers are literally getting nothing done, stalling on projects for weeks
>told I should start helping them out
>reviewing their project tickets, couldn't even follow the project if I wanted, would have to start from scratch because the commentary/updates are either unbelievably short or retardedly non detailed
>progress has grinded to a halt
>manager goes on PTO, slows down even more, they literally aren't doing anything
>was told to harass/poke them on tickets if they aren't updating daily

Do I throw these faggots under the bus or what?

>>105829807
It is usually a good idea to have lazy people under you if they are not interfering with your work.

government work is cozy, I think I'll stay here my whole life

Got my first ever interview for an IT job

>>105829086 (OP)
Going back to school to take um Plumbing guys.

No, this is not a joke.

>>105829731
Holy fucking boomer, the 80s called and they want their made up stereotypes back.

>Dead economy
Whatever, it makes shit cheaper for tech workers

>No population growth making the economy perpetually worse
But also no population growth meaning workers in demand unlike stupid fat North America

>Houses are cheap but the government still owns it
???? I’m sorry what? This isn’t China; get the fuck out of here with your Commie conspiracy bullshit faggot

>The Japanese will (rightfully) never accept you as one of them
And good on them - you never will be. You don’t move there to become one of them like some whack job racial tranny

>Your name won’t fit on government documents because there’s literally not enough spaces on the forms
…your point?

>they insist on using letters instead of email so everything is slow
Where the fuck are you getting this bullshit from?

>theres very little variety throughout the country
With regards to…what?

>the weather sucks most of the year
I’d beg to disagree but I guess it depends on where you’re coming from

>i get to do the horribly uncomfortable shit
>one month later learn that i have to do even worse shit now because they don't have anyone else
i should just say no, or just quit
early thinking about jumping off a bridge i don't need this shit on top of it

> tfw just got fired from my second wfh job
now I only have 1 job left. What do, overemployed bros????

i'm at the point where every time i blink it's like 3 seconds long, even when i'm driving, it's probably not going to end well but oh well, i chose this life i guess

>>105829562
Please China, release COVID 25 Turbo 2.0 already!!!!

Noooooooooo....... AI was supposed to automagically do everything for me so I don't need to code...............

>>105829588
>and my actual role is peak grift
it's fucking over anon. HR will give you a Teams call in 2 years maximum.

I recommend buying some Nvidia stocks while you can

>>105830460
KEK, average vide coding project.

Imagine the damage AI will to to these massive corporations that are moving towards 100% vibe code

>>105830461
It's unironically one of the best positions I can think to be in besides lucky investor.
I can either dial up the grift or dial up the technical side depending on the whims of the powers that be.
I already defeated the HR final boss when Jesus saved me from the vaccine.

>>105830491
this is a non engineer trying to use llms for coding
an llm in the hands of an engineer is completely different and it's the reason why companies can cut half of their devs

>>105830460
This nigga has negative Prompt game.
Pathetic.

> anons actually getting fired today
do companies just copy what mega corps like Microsoft do? This can't be a coincidence

I'm fucking pissed for getting fired, I thought they would fuck managers first, not developers.

FUCK MANAGERS!!! REEEEEEEEE

>>105830659
Fired? No. Offered severance to fuck off? Yup.

>>105830659
What anons are getting fired? where?

>>105830659
i fucking wish
i'm in a situation where if i leave the remaining people are fucked

>>105830659
Managers always go AFTER their team, not before and they get bigger/better severance packages.

My manager is on a 3 week vacation, second one this year

>>105830659
One of my coworkers just got fired last Thursday right before the holiday
His last post on Slack was wishing our manager happy birthday
It's looking grim out there

>>105830413
Bro? Your J3?

>>105831023
i bet your coworker was an actual wagie
every time ive seen a coworker get fired, he was usually quite productive.

the best way to compromise yourself is to do actual work. no i will not elaborate why or how, but the less work you do, the more likely it is that you will remain indefinitely employed.

do with this information what you will.

today was only monday
end my fucking life

Today for lunch at the Microsoft cafeteria I had a turkey, bacon, and avocado grilled sandwich and it was pretty good!
I think they raised the prices though

>>105831181
no way, are you a jeet? be honest

ive interviewed at one of the fangs, and i had like 8 interviews, every single one was an indian. no hate those guys knew their shit and i didnt get in but it did make me lol, like shit they arent joking about the jeetification.

Is interviewing and resume writing fun for narcissists?

>>105829499
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105829086

>>105831181
so glad i moved away from redmond

>>105831289
no, because literally nobody reads CVs, which defeats the whole purpose

>>105831262
I'm not a jeet, though I work with quite a few...
Oddly enough, when I interviewed here, I think only one was Indian. The rest were white (one was Russian/Slavic though) and one was black

>>105831385
thats cool. happy for u bro, i badly wanna get into a fang. tired of these 2nd/3rd rate no-name nobody orgs where burnouts get to play fiefdoms.

wanna get in the big leagues, wanna rub shoulders with glowies, shit maybe ill start glowing myself someday in the microsoft cafeteria scoffing down musli bars between coding seshes

Should I just give up on trying to work in my preferred field and try an go for the AI/ML meme?

>>105831455
just so you know, there's nothing special about working at a fang except slightly bigger paychecks. in fact I would say 50% of my colleagues leave after 1-2 years because it is so soul sucking.

>>105831496
damn really well shit, i still gotta get it out of my system, need my fagman participation trophy lol. i thought it was kino? ngl the cafeteria is a big one for me lmfao im not fat i swear but dont googlers get free food? thats gotta be a big pull.

what abotu infra? dont microsoft have infinite money glitch for infinite devops? i have to juggle actual unironic under-the-table server box ssh logins like its the 90s. imagine getting a teams message
>erm anon please delete some files we're running out of disk space
not a complaint but the big boys dont do this right?

cant be *that* soul sucking can it? less soul = more room for money right?

>>105831534
The Microsoft cafeterias are goo, but food isn't free (and they're only open till 2pm). The offices are nice if you want to go in, and the drinks are mostly free (some specialty ones are available in vending areas for a price). Technology wise, the place is awful though. It seems like every product runs on a mixture of like 8 different generations of tools for managing, configuring, deploying, monitoring, etc... There's no uniformity, even within orgs. Some of the products are decades old and you can feel it when you work on them.

>>105831534
lol oh man, if anything big tech companies are even MORE of penny pinchers than small/medium sized companies. I think I get 40-50 automated emails a week from various scans around the company telling me how I can optimize my repos and reduce my core count to hit our org's CPU/COGs targets more efficiently this quarter. and spoiler alert, the targets just move more and more strict every quarter until you literally can't run your service properly anymore. jfyi, Microsoft has laid off 4% of the entire (220k) company in the last 3 months. Imagine 1/25 people being laid off that you know, and constantly having to worry about being in the next wave. It's mental torture.

in my experience, you get far better work/life balance and job security and can still make 60-70% as much money at a more low-key medium sized tech company that no one has heard about,

>>105831575
>>105831581
bros ur destroying my hopes n dreams rn

>>105831605
just being honest man, if it was ~2016, I'd tell you to plow full steam ahead and chase that dream. Now in 2025? Big tech is a bloodbath and morale has never been worse. And in my opinion it's shifting permanently due to AI

>>105831181
Today at [defense contractor] I had roasted chicken leg and thigh, green beans, and a rice pilaf. $9.50
It's better than what I eat at home most often.

>>105831647
Yeah, the cafeteria is where I get pretty much all of my nutrients to stay alive. When I have to feed myself, I end up surviving on potato chips, cookies, candy, ice cream, frozen pizzas, ramen, etc...

>>105830235
Damn, I was just about to make a post asking if this is something I should consider. Being a CSmonkey was the worst decision I've ever made. I got into the game right as the industry gets rugpulled, because "fuck you, anon" is basically how things work out for me.

The *only* thing stopping me is I'm not a junior anymore and I'm currently making decent (not great) money. It would be a gamble to drop it all to go chase a trades apprenticeship... but honestly I don't think this field is ever going to recover. I could get laid off at any moment despite being a well-liked guy that performs reasonably well. And if I do... what then? At least a tradie can go over to the next jobsite and find a new gig.

>>105830235
how do you feel about touching poop?
because you'll have to touch poop

>>105831683
eat a fruit fatass

>>105831605
AWS here, pretty much everything the other guy said is true
I remember waking up and reading about 20k layoffs and wondering if I still had a job, then next quarter another 10k, then the stack ranking cycle comes around and another 5% gets fired, then they froze hiring for a few years and kept firing the bottom 5% each year, remember seeing the newhire excited to start but I just felt pity because he was the sacrificial hire-to-fire so the rest of us didn't get axed. It's no longer the dream from 10 years ago with free food and massages and other unheard of perks with the chance to work on cool projects and earn 300k+ a year. That era has passed and we're never going back.

>>105832125
Oh and by the way, don't think your performance matters. When they did layoffs they picked the highest earning people and fired them to save the most money (at least, in some orgs). So having a larger salary can actually hurt you.

>>105829086 (OP)
>noo you CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT blame your parents for having lived a shitty life and for having lost opportunities in life!
meanwhile, in reality... this is what support from your parents might get you:
>Hannah Cairo: 17-year-old teen refutes a math conjecture proposed 40 years ago
https://english.elpais.com/science-tech/2025-07-01/a-17-year-old-teen-refutes-a-mathematical-conjecture-proposed-40-years-ago.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZeH_8sTyKA

>>105831647
The cafeteria at [my former defense contractor] was typically mediocre and overpriced enough that I just brought leftover pizza or whatever from home, but once a week they would serve the best chicken strips and tater tots I've had in my entire life (sorry mom, it's true). It was ~$10, but I would have paid like $25 for it (don't tell that to whoever decides the prices though) desu, that shit was otherworldly.

>>105831647
I sitll never stepped foot inside my place's restaurant or breakroom

>>105829411
Get out of your lease *now* move into your car and start stacking cash.

>>105830460
That's crazy. Everything just gets handed to him and he still doesn't "have the energy." This is why I don't think AI is any danger to us.

>>105830979
Everyone knows it's over. If you don't get your vacation payed out you might as well spend it before you get flayed off.

>>105831463
ML is way oversaturated.

Haven't checked into twg in a while. Thread seems slower. Is it because 80% of the posters got laid off?

>>105832738
Europe is asleep, and NA is off of work playing vidya. No reason to doompost atm.

>>105832738
im employed and posted more in /utwg/ today than /twg/

learn a trade

>>105829294
Or, move to Japan and easily get a tech job because they don't know shit about software

>>105833536
Because they know next to nothing about software, software positions are pretty scarce / hyper competitive. You'll be competing with hundreds of Russians, and like the 3 Japanese guys that are qualified.

Having a one on one networking event with the SVP tomorrow, idk how I managed that

>>105831848
Doesn't really bother me. Better than staying in a dying industry with record unemployment for 3 straight years.

>>105834133
I had multiple 1 on 1s with our comapnies CISO, because he was in town and I was the only one around to go to lunch with him and he was lonely since he came in from out of the country.

On the last day I handed in my resignation to him directly lmao.

>>105830659
Managers get massacred on different occasions. Recently a lot of middle management was cut in Amazon.

>>105834310
>Recently a lot of middle management was cut in Amazon.
based

>>105832738
we've had some spammers are work place morale remains low on average.

Gemini Pro can do a lot of the stuff that I am doing. How do I not get replaced?

>>105834352
Tech jobs are over, bro. But gemini is good partly because *you* are using it. People without experience wouldn't use it as well. Still, it's over. If you're young, learn a trade or get into healthcare. I'm too old to reskill, but the outlook is so bleak I'm still reconsidering it.

>>105830413
How did you manage to get not just one, but two WFH jobs?
Are you a jeet? Be honest.

>>105831581
>big tech companies are even MORE of penny pinchers

think I'm going insane. Why is no one calling out this bullshit? It is a publicly traded company, must release financial statements. When it comes to shareholders
>we are operating at a gorillion% margin and raking in the cash like no tomorrow please buy more shares
when it comes to salaries
>best I can do is not fire you
yes, I understand the profits come from money not paid out to employees, but this is unbalanced af

>>105835384
You're welcome to read the 10-K if you'd like to see how each company explains it.

>>105834152
CHAD
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>>105834748
I also have 2 wfh jobs.... one is my main job I've had for years, and during covid I moved back to my home state without asking, I just did it. And they didn't mind and didn't adjust my salary or anything, I was just as productive. So I was still making CA money while living in comfy semi-rural hometown.

Then my second job is crypto/web3 related. Honestly really cool and fun stuff. Most people are already full-remote by default in this industry, and it's normal to be pseudonymous even.

Right now I'm living with my parents, which honestly is super comfy because I love them. My nieces and nephews come over often and we play video games. Meanwhile I do next to nothing work-wise and somehow people from two different jobs pay me a total of ~$240k/year. I don't even know what to do with the money, it all gets dumped into my portfolio, someday I'll buy a house I guess. I could stop working at any time and just coast on dividends for the rest of my life, if I wanted. But I do so little work anyway that it's like - why not keep going for now?

I dunno, all the great WFH gigs are already spoken for, mostly grandfathered-in from the covid era. But there are still WFH gigs you can find, if you're willing to learn new tech and prove yourself

>>105835422
Ive tried applying but none of them ever call back. I was convinced that the WFH industry collapsed entirely post COVID and that it was primarily just an excuse to hire H1B jeets for cheap.

I still have my covid WFH job, the company let go of three floors in our HQ tower and there isn't room for everyone. This year they came up with a 6 days per month at the office mandate and I've just ignored it. I live far away and I'm a critical enough employee for them not to care. Every other month I do like 2 days in just to keep appearances up, though I have to drive 100 miles one way. I have a pile of money, my own apartment, I simply wont give a fuck if they let me go.

>>105835422
>My nieces and nephews come over often and we play video games.
it's fine in moderation, but please also take a look into something more productive than consoooming gaymeslop

Can trump create 1.5 billion new tech jobs?

>>105835858
>projections
>DRC will quadruple in population in the next 75 years
>china getting replaced

it's a big oof from me tbf

>>105835858
>Chinese will replace there migrant(rural fags moving to cities for factory jobs) with black people from DRC and Nigeria.

Its over.

Just got laid off

Have you ever participated in a meeting where this decision is made? What does it look like? In my case I believe it was for poor performance, but they say it was because of the "lack of opportunities for your skillsets".

Fucking AI

>>105835978
rip anon :c

>>105835978
Have you not noticed the writing on the wall? Everyone is constantly looking for new/backup jobs.
E.g. I'm pretty sure I'm on borrowed time already, they are lubing up the negative reviews and trying to assign projects to set me up for failure

Laid off, interviewing.
Got turned down for not having commercial experience with X.
I now realise I should have said 'yeah I've done loads of X at work' and then started researching. It still sucks that we have to bullshit, it makes being honest and having integrity a negative.
Sadly it won't improve while supply of developers outstrips supply of jobs.

I've lost my motivation to do anything.

Don't care about my craft or career or upskilling any more.

The bad job market is part of it, it feels like it's a waste of time when I can't even get a call back let alone an interview. Also I've built up enough net worth that I basically have FU money. It's really hard to give a shit now.

>>105836460
That FU money better be more than 1.5 million in wealth, 400k+ liquid and other options like investments/retirement acc's. If if not then your poor.

>use gemini with company account
>find out it saves the history of every prompt
it is so over

>>105830413
>>105834748
Fucking Scamjeet got caught 'working' for many many startups
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_6dHIPVoTM

>>105836656
as a GWS janny, I wouldn't be able to see your prompts unless I logged into your account
there is also an option to limit history to 1/3/6 months iirc but I guess you jannies didn't activated it

We were born to conquer, not to make reports for Angela from HR

>>105836700
Women won.
They domesticated men and trapped them in a world of bureaucracy to prevent them from pillaing and raping like on ye old times

>>105836222
I know the feeling, I got laid off months ago.
Every positions wants experience with stuff I don't have experience with, they don't even care I've gone out of my way to learn it whilst I was working a shit job I eventually got laid off from.

Thing is, every company says they want people that are self motivated, self organised, self learners, who are willing to teach juniors.
Which is me to a T, but there's too many box tickers in the way for me to demonstrate that.

>>105836656
>not using it to subtly show off you are the most devoted best goy
just hand in your resignation already if you want to be fired so much

>>105830235
same but electrician

>>105836796
Consider Fiber Optic installer. Much better pay.

>>105836718

Temporarily, until the barbarians take over and put them in chains again

>>105837123
>enslave your own men to be docile faggots
>vote for unchecked mass immigration of savages
>the migrated men turn the country into an islamic state
>enslave all women
Women really did not think this one through

>>105837163

They don't think anything through, they are hardwired to only think about ~1 week ahead of time. They can manage, but not lead.

>>105837167
Yeah women can be very detailed oriented hence why project managers exist(for women to have jobs). However there ability to act when needed is often hampered by there over preparation and micro management of whatever they are dealing with.

>>105835978
>Have you ever participated in a meeting where this decision is made? What does it look like?
Yes. It was a last minute email to join a zoom link where the number of people in the call was unknown, we could not see their names or see what they typed in chat and 2 people told us that the company is consolidating or something
Apparently it made news and ~300 people were laid off that day. Whilst with the company for 5 years i've seen other get laid off in this manner, probably thousands.

>Fucking AI
For us it wasn't AI. The severance agreement specifically stated we could not be re-employed for a year unless through the contracting agency 'Accenture', so they likely got rid of us for jeets.

don't have any friends, don't have a gf. what's the point of working again?

I'm now a NEET again. Just hoping it won't last for too little or too long.

>>105837234
Us mortals usually work to put a roof over our heads and food on the table.

>>105837247
congrats bro

>>105837234
I wanna work because neetbux suck here

>>105837250
i got enough money for a few years and then could either find a low stress job to sustain or an hero

>>105837247
I'm getting laid off at the end of the month. I'm not even putting in applications, it seems hopeless.

>>105829343
It will never cease to amaze me that people in your position don't use the time they have to do something while getting paid. Get a cert, build something, fuck sakes. You can have your cake and eat it too you know.

>>105837361
I'm gonna start applying within a couple of weeks, at least to a couple of places. Thankfully savings and severance means that I don't need to worry about mortgage payments or food. However, I think there'll be a psychological impact where I tighten my belt and won't live as comfortably if I don't have a steady income.

Are Nvidia stocks insurance against total AI domination?

>>105837376
Yes you do retard I would consider this job in the mean time until the economy improves again.

>>105837419
Not a burger.

>>105837232
1 year?? Did you get an entire year salary as severance??

>>105837467
>1 year??
A year with the company... i thought that was obvious like, you literally cannot tell someone "you arent allowed to work AT ALL for a year" i didnt think anybody would assume thats what happened...

>>105837279
every job is a low stress job when youre sitting on a dragons hoard. converseley, every job is a high stress job when you have nothing in the bank.

>>105837511

Kek it's true, investments are liberation

>>105837232
>Accenture
Sounds like Accenture moved and told your managers "Did you know you can save a big chunk of your employment budget with replaceable drones you don't need to pay benefits and insurance for??"

>>105829294
Japan's a shithole now bro, it's just like the UK.

>>105837688
Yep its over

I missed a meeting and have no excuse...

>>105837718
"Sorry, I didn't notice the time."
"Sorry, I'd forgotten that there was a meeting."
"Sorry, was too busy with X."

>>105837718
just tell em you were groking your meat

>>105837688
Weird, I wonder what these countries suddenly have in common

>>105838054
Obviously white people should be banned from all asian countries to include Austrailia and Canada. Then they should be replaced with indians and blacks who are the true natives of the land. After that happens all of the foreign invaders aka asians should be shoved in siberia.

>>105837718
first time? I miss meetings every week (usually at the gym) with no good excuse and just say "sorry I lost track of time" and my manager forgets about it until next week

Would you guys rather take a $200k stressful in-office job 5 days a week or a $75k full wfh easy email answering job?

>>105837718
Who cares 99% of meetings are fake and gay so someone else can pretend they did work

>look at code
>brain does not activate
>stop looking at code and fap

good morning sirs!

>>105837718
i've done this before and just didn't say anything. nobody asked where i was. if they do just say you were shitting or something.

>>105838199
i already have the second one

Another recruiter emailed me for a cushy remote job. Thats 6 in the last two months. Market is recovering

>>105838597
what's your current yoe?

whats the current status on jobmaxxing/overemployed? still gucci or is the door closing? recent indian spat got me worried the jig is gonna be up soon

>>105837688
Wow that's sad.

>>105831289
>Is interviewing and resume writing fun for narcissists?
Can't tell, I'm not a narcissist. But I can imagine that holding that interview (employer) must be one hell of a drug for them because narcissists are addicted to power over others. The least amount of power goes straight to their heads.
>https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105829086
Kekw, why

>>105837688
Shouldn't have let in the kurds man.

It's amazing how a corpo environment enables whiny faggots to endlessly waste others time so they can listen to themselves speak

>>105839102
I really love being interviewed. I'm actually pretty good at it and love talking about technical problems. I have something like a 50% interview -> offer conversion rate which I think is pretty good.

The hard part is just getting the interview.

>>105838939
3 and a masters in CS
Its great cause i really am not a great engineer and im still getting recruiter emails. Im u employed tho, im looking solely for remote role cause of personal reasons( i already found some shitty job but they required 5 days a week in the office and the pay was shit

wagers are on strike

>>105839379
Yeah all of us get those emails. I think it's just to fulfill the legal requirements for outsourcing and they would never actually higher you if you responded.

>>105839391
No one does that because it just results in burnout within ~ a year. That would be insanely expensive in a software oriented company where it tends to take 3~6 months to get new highers up to speed.

>>105837234
Unless you plan to live with mom and dad forever, its so you can have your own shit?

>get into IT because I thought I would actually be working on systems and computers and only interact with my coworkers
>turns out, IT is just Retail but instead of working on computers, you work FOR customers that work WITH computers.

>>105839396
>>105839417
the word you are looking for is "hire", pajeet

>>105839444
this is why i got the fuck out of IT. spending 8 hours of my day catering to needy people is a fate worse than death.

>>105839444
Yeah we were all hoodwinked.
Get off Helldesk and move onto something more back room

>>105839444
Wait, you mean you got a helpdesk job?

>>105839460
Too bad the entirety of tech industry is dying right now so its pointless to try to move up.

>>105839396
>>105839449
My thoughts exactly. Wanted to ask him is he brown by any chance and demoralizing us here? Probably yes

>>105839467
You don't stop dealing with customers beyond Hell Desk either my friend. This aint the 90s any more.

>>105839487
nah, we're going to see an increase but the scope will change. those AIs aren't gonna wrangle themselves.

>>105839449
I'm a white American I was just homeschooled so I can't spell.

>>105839508
very believable. good morning sir!

>>105839508
Go shit in a street

>>105839502
Can you imagine it?
>go to the office
>sit in your own cubicle all day writing code
Things used to be so good...

Anyone else notice a shift towards more in-house devs? EU based btw.

>>105839882
definitely not in america

i hate cmake

>>105839970
skill issue

>>105839391
>paid time out is an "earned benefit" for american workers
JFC, can't imagine "working" as a slave in such a terrible shithole
t.3rd worlder

someone finally reviewed that retards code
>didn't know booleans existed in his engine after using it for 8 years
>if else statements 400 times long

does anyone else fantasize about suddenly turning their cam on during a teams call and blowing their brains out on camera

>You look in their eyes, even in a picture, doesn't matter if they're dead or alive, you can still read 'em. You know what you see? They welcomed it... Not at first, but... right there in the last instant. It's an unmistakable relief. See, cause they were afraid, and now they saw for the very first time how easy it was to just... let go.

When did you stop caring and just agreed with every stupid bullshit management came up with and started working on auto pilot?

>>105840017
and he probably makes easily $1mil/year from streaming revenue alone larping as a tech wizard, life ain't fair kids.

>>105840017
There’s nothing contextually wrong with most of these, OOP jeet

>staff engineer @ research lab
>grind 80+ hour weeks for months straight
>build bleeding-edge embedded demo from scratch
>fly to London, live tech talk in front of 500 people
>demo gods smile, nothing breaks for 3 full days
>audience claps, execs nod like I just reinvented networking
>fly back to the US, dead inside
>performance review time
>"you need to be more visible, anon. 3% raise. try harder next year"
>junior who bricks prod twice a week gets promoted to senior + 15% raise
>manager gives *himself* a title bump to “Distinguished Technologist”
>($300k+ band btw)
>mfw I’m still debugging heap corruption at 2am for $130k
>in a geography where a 1971 single-family crack den goes for $1.1M

now I’m just gonna half-ass everything until my August bonus hits
then it’s full-blown time theft until they have the spine to fire me
I can’t even fake pretending to work anymore lmao
ignoring everyone, replying to Slacks with cryptic emoji reactions and low-effort gibberish
if I’m feeling spicy, I might push a commit or two per week
fuck it

I fucking hate corporate America so much it’s physically unreal

>>105840017
who is a worse coder, this retard or yanderedev?

>that one guy who wish he was a bureaucrat so he drags out everything for weeks

>>105840066
I wish to wake up in pmd.

>>105839970
If it's building code, that should be automated.

>>105840316
Did you tell your manager he's a fucking moron, or did you tuck your cock between your legs as you tiptoed back to your desk like a coward?

>>105840316
I make $65k
fuck you

>>105840316
>replying to Slacks with cryptic emoji reactions
For me it's the clown, specially for people in management
But yeah, set up some emulators, download some old tv shows and go on vacation while logged in.

>>105840316
similar, I'm in the EU and preparing to sue for unfair treatment. I hope big daddy gov once works for me lol

>>105839882
Hadn't noticed any shift one way or another.

>>105840335
Two days ago when the performance review happened I told them if they're gonna pay me peanuts they need to give me full remote status, in writing, so I can afford to live otherwise I quit. So, an ultimatum which I'm sure they'll hope I just quietly forget about (already have interviews lined up next week).

There's no point in trying to convince my extremely aloof boomer manager that I have high impact. The guy's asleep at the wheel.

>>105840365
I've been a software engineer of varying title for 13 years now. You'll get there anon.

>>105840017
whose code is that?

>ints as booleans
>global.storyline_array[...] = 0
lmao

>>105840316
I liked your talk, good job on the demo. You seemed like a cool guy desu.

>>105840388
>>There's no point in trying to convince my extremely aloof boomer manager that I have high impact. The guy's asleep at the wheel.
Have you tried committing a mass shooting?

>>105840331
>If it's building code, that should be automated
That's literally what cmake does. Are you one of those retards that starts trying to "automate" things that are already automated?
That would make sense given the furry picture.

>>105840409
mass shootings are for brutes. if you value yourself as an engineer you can surely architect minecrafting everyone without gettin caught

I am empowered to maintain harmony between my work and personal commitments

Daily reminder.

>>105840531
Apparently I've done less than the bare minimum and am getting laid off.

>>105840316
Similar to this anon I've been shafted with a meme raise after my hardest year yet + a RTO demand

I'm brainstorming ideas on how to be the most obnoxious possible in-person colleague in the hopes that they'll grant me remote status or lay me off

ideas so far:
>absolutely zero deoderant
>get cartoon stains all over my clothes (think mustard, ketchup, perhaps a lingering pickle or onion) and wear the same fit day after day
>cranking wet, loud farts in the cube farms while wearing headphones for plausible deniability (think: was that anon? does he have a medical condition? lmfao)
>have wife call me impersonating various people so I can loudly take personal phone calls discussing all the ointments I need from my "doctor"
>shout obscenities when I get a compiler error
>let the very bottom of my gut pop out of my shirt and act like it's not happening -- maybe brush up against people's shoulders with my bare gut in their cubes when I go and ask for "help"

cmon anons I need more ammo for my sitcom exit of this shit job

>>105840079
lol its so funny how often this is true
stemcels just cant stop taking Ls

>>105840316
>debugging heap corruption
It's frustrating how hard it is to demonstrate you know what you're doing.

>>105840586
Congratulations.

>>105840316
>>fly to London, live tech talk in front of 500 people
i would be pissed too if i had to do that
which con if you don't mind saying?

>>105840816
RDK Summit

>>105840586
oopsie daisy!

>>105840316
damn lol... well now you know how the game is played lol. youre a bit of a schmuck, but your reaction to getting shmucked is even more shmucky.

chill and play it slow. first off all, bring your work hours down to 20hr/week. next, detach emotionally from your work. that means being polite and doing nothing more than whats asked from you. don't reply with "cryptic emoji reactions and low effort gibberish", in the 4HL space nothing is punished more than being unusual (including being unusually productive!)

you need to start looking for an exit into a remote job. its imperative you stay at your current role while doing that since it will give you leverage during negotiations.

>>105831045
The why and how is current corporate hierarchy is griftmaxing, when work starts getting done, tasks are accomplished, and work is over, they have no desire to grow and adapt, it’s all about maintaining the norm

Why the FUCK did they not lay me off
Fucking asshole pieces of shit

You must work 996 so I can become a billionaire

>>105835799
>having a hobby is BAD
Blow it out your ass.

>>105835978
No, but I had a shitbag employer decide to make me drive all the way into the office after being told I was doing great the whole time just to pull me into a conference room to say "ur fired talk to hr if you want to know why". Just another company I'd like to see burn to the ground with all the people inside it, but I probably make more than the manager there at my current job, and definitely make more than all my former coworkers.

>>105837503
Hey you'd be surprised. There are some companies that force you to sign a non-compete clause where you're legally not allowed to seek employment at other companies in the field for a certain period of time even if you're no longer employed by them.

>>105841083
Why don’t you become the billionaire then?

>>105840586
This is why you do the baker's dozen bare minimum

>>105840388
>>105840316
>all of this shit
>no mention of telling the manager about the demo and all that
Wake the fuck up retard.

>>105841199
We're a company of 150 people. My manager sits directly next to me and approved the expense for the flight to London. He's just giving me a meme raise because I refuse to commute 45 one-way, daily, so he feels like he has a friend.

>Let slip to my skip I'm only here for the money + remote work
I got a really great thing going but I cannot stop myself from blabbing. How long do I have?

>>105840316
at least you're white

>>105840316
Brutal
What does it mean that you "need to be more visible"
I dont understand psychopath language

>>105841083
There surely exists some kind of a stock option scheme that would encourage this.

>>105840671
from a previous thread
>bring in lice / bed bugs
>if dog friendly place liberally sprinkle/leave xylitol all over the place
>obviously shit and piss all over the toilet, but make sure they cant triangulate your attendance/breaks
>forget your food in the fridge for weeks, microwave fish daily, if bold bring a box of chocolate but spike one or two with laxatives
>start organizing an underground railroad. Hide funny messages in common space about the shady stuff the company does or dark secrets you know about your shithead boss private life for others to sparkle joy
>always loop in a gorillion people to every mtg, take your time speaking about absolute minutia in daily humiliation, make sure to bore everyone to death and waste as much time as possible
>max out all available budgets, use your remaining time to level up
>sow discord, file whistleblower reports, leave negative feedbacks
>always go for the conflict in a calm and polite manner with a shit eating grin

>>105840671
>>shout obscenities when I get a compiler error
You weren't doing this already?

>>105841388
like cultural fit, it is humpty dumpty all the way down

>>105841083
This 996 guy is a lazy libturd, if he was genuinely serious about being a billionaire, then working 100 hour weeks for years on end for mere pennies is what actually turns you into a billionaire. If you ever give ever so much as an acknowledgement to your wife, kids or dog EVER, then you're just not cut out for success.

>>105840671
Become Weeb Prime, plaster every square milimetre of your office space with anime, set your phone to loud and get an anime ringtone (and a bot to call you randomly during office hours).
>>105841419
Or just pretend that you hate dogs, get ostracized out of the office.

>>105841388
Means
>You didn't suck my cock hard enough
9.9/10 times the people in positions of power are people who should never ever hold power over a butter-knife, let alone other people

>>105841095
>"ur fired talk to hr if you want to know why
so... did you ask why?

I did it again. I fucking did it again. I made an effort, and they noticed. They're giving me more work.

I did it again.

I DID IT AGAIN.

I DID IT AGAIN.

>>105841616
Not that i dont agree with you, i do, but why is that so?

I have a cousin who is a textbook ass kisser, ita disgusting. Makes a boatload, is his wifes bitch. When he tends to gain something out of a person, he kisses ass. When he doesnt tend to gain anything, like from me, he bullies and insults

>>105841928
Have you hit a terminal title at your company? At most companies, that means senior. At others, it might be staff. If you haven't hit that terminal title, then the feedback loop of
>get work
>complete it on time or early
>get praised
>receive more work
is necessary and you have to do this multiple times a quarter for a year or two to get promo.

>>105841945
I'm no sociologist nor psychologist, but I suppose it's an evolutionary trait. The literal beta-cuck mentality.
There's a greentext from 10 years ago from a turk-flag on /pol/ where he went into great detail about it, IDK where on my platters it is though.

>>105842005
You mean the asskissers are beta?
Would like to see that greentext

>>105842005
>>105842025
You're not alpha because you're too autistic to climb the corporate ladder.

>>105842030
Im an unironical sigma
Corporate ladder includes alienation from self, shedding of integrity and self respect, alienation from family and friends, shedding of personal values and individual thoughts and feelings.
So yeah, why would i want to climb the corporate ladder?

>>105842030
>it's alpha to gargle your boss's balls
Sure man.

I can't believe I wasted my life on this shit when I could have breezed through college as accounting major and have a better career outlook with no jeets

>>105842025
Yes, I assume asskissers are tantamount to betas.
I would have to go through 20k to 50k screepcaps + images from 10 years of 4chan to find the greentext, yet I don't have the time to do so right now (need to hit the bed). You can give me a SimpleX link / QR Code though where I would send you the image when I have time to dig it up if you want to.

>>105842079
>>it's alpha to gargle your boss's balls
Beta/alpha are made up terms losers like you use to make yourself feel better about getting zero tinder matches. What I'm pointing out is that you're sitting around waiting for someone to post a screencap of a post from 2015 /pol/ to make you feel better about eating lunch by yourself.
>>105842052
>sigma
lol

Got a question. Lets say you're a website manager who inherited a website that is ugly looking and has a bunch of stupid unneeded plugins. It is a simple site, mainly just displaying text, pictures, video and hosting some forms. Do you attempt to just work with how the website is, or do you remake the thing but not retarded? I'm thinking of downloading the site locally and completely reworking it.

>>105842175
>projecting this hard

>>105829086 (OP)
How do I get into IT with a bachelors of science in biology and no professional experience? Help desk my only option?

>>105840316
If you are at the point of giving talks to big crowds and have the capabilities that you are talking of here, why not look for more work? Surely there is someone who saw this demo that will have been impressed enough to get you another job.

But regarding the "be more visible" thing, I'd honestly retort to your manager that you travelled in order to give a presentation like that, and that is literally the most visible thing you can do, and that all the other work you do is inherently "not visible" because you are (I assume) a backend engineer keeping everything working. You should at the very least document things that you do so that you have something to point to and explain your value when asked.

>>105842110
can you tell me what negative experiences you've had with jeets recently

>>105842298
You're making the rookie mistake of assuming promotions and raises are merit-based and not something written into the budget 6-12 months before you even have your review.

>>105841711
"Performance quality".

page 7? wtf

>>105829731
>No population growth making the economy perpetually worse
They are importing poojets by the thousands

Sitting in an office 8 hours a day is hell how the hell do millennials and boomers do it

>>105840316
>>staff engineer @ research lab
>>grind 80+ hour weeks for months straight
>>mfw I’m still debugging heap corruption at 2am for $130k
What kind of staff engineer is making that little cash

>>105840388
So you have you cock tucked, got it.

>>105842286
That’s the neat thing… you don’t. People with IT degrees can’t even get a helpdesk job so why the fuck will they hire you? You got a Bachelor of Science in Biology so go do something in your own fucking field and you’ll live a much better life with meaning. Surely you didn’t spend four years of your life studying something you don’t give a fuck about.

>>105843188
The kind that tucks his cock.

>>105843214
I think a Mumei pic would have been more appropriate.

>>105843188
The kind literally anywhere outside of NYC/Seattle/Boston/SF

Specifically I'm in Denver where the compensation for tech jobs is cartoonishly low especially relative to CoL.

>>105843167
After working as a mover (8AM-midnight on days where I was scheduled 8am-2pm and only paid $14/hour) nothing seems bad anymore.

>>105843246
Dawg I made more than that as a junior dev/new grad in Austin Texas

there are INDIANS in this thread right now

>>105831181
What subclass of jeet are you?

>>105843284
Anglo-Brahmin saar

>>105842264
Throw it into OpenAI's codex and give it a few prompts

>>105841224
>>105842318
Yeah, keep tucking that cock

>>105843167
I only ever did it as an intern. I haven't been in an office in years.

>>105843284
I'm actually completely white, somehow
Except I have a bit of a tan right now from running outside this summer, but come winter I'll get pale as fuck again

>>105837365
But I DO actual work, it's just that I don't get any useful knowledge from it.

>>105842311
Undermining the labor pool and destroying entire industries by being perfect slaves

>>105843167
They have literally nothing going on in their lives it is the highlight of their day they go home, watch tv, and wait for the next work day. Neither hobbies nor exercise appeal to the officecuck

I finally snapped because of my micromanaging, narcissistic, psychopathic director. I am fully malicious-compliant-mode now, and my teamleader is noticing it. I am on borrowed time and should start doing interviews.

>>105841928
dumbass

>>105843877
Have fun with your tucked cock bro.

someone on my team got laid off
it wasn't me...

Yesterday new feature was released. Either:
-my email will be full of requests to revert it
-nobody will notice, or at least will not acknowledge it
These are the only 2 things that happen. I'm hoping for 2nd.


>>105840501
Yes.

>>105842268
I forget that manosphere types only know two rebuttals
>projection
>trannytrannytranny
Good luck with that.

test (from work) (sorry about the op)

>>105840017
It's funny because if you write a code generator that builds the state machine for you, you will end up with these huge switch statements indexing global variables as well.

I got an offer for an 8 month contract to do a migration for all the offices in a region. Pay is low. But I have no experience so this would help with that. Supposedly the setup on the workstations is automated and I am just going to be the monkey physically putting shit in place for the most part. Is this a dumb job to take?

>>105844693
Depends whats the actual pay per hour worked? If you are a indepenent then you should expect the full amount like 120-150$ hr. If you have other contractors with you then you pay them 1/3rd that amount to help you out. If you cannot complete the work within 8 months then what's the risk to reward from taking on the project?

Would love to do a dumb install job instead of my current monitor shit breaking job.

>>105844724
It was offered to me through a staffing agency. I wasn't expecting a callback and gave the low end hourly rate for entry level IT work in my region. If the work isn't done in 8 months it will be extended until its completed. I don't think that will be an issue though.

>>105844798
Thats fine but how much per hour? If it's the same rate as an employee working for the company then you really should have 5x it. I am thinking 60-90hr.

>>105844845
>If it's the same rate as an employee working for the company
Yes.
>then you really should have 5x it
Really? I didn't know I flubbed it that bad. Is that normal for contract work?

>>105844853
Yes it is normal for contract work to get paid alot more than a regular employee. You take on more risks for failing the work. You fork up your own equipment, car usage and insurance to cover your self for medical. Alot more is at stake when doing indepenent contracting. Not to mention if you hire someone you aren't giving them the full salary so you often pay them 1/3rd the amount which often times is really good pay and you have to cover there tools, medical, driving and failures also.

>>105844869
So I am looking through my onboarding stuff and I have benefits. I'm on a W-2 not a 1099. Maybe I am using contract incorrectly?

>>105844895
Oh in which case you are working for the contracting company. Different story then. You are likely getting paid 1/3-1/4th the pay he actually charges the client. I thought you were freelancing it on a contract with a company. If you were then you would have severely undercut yourself to the bone.

My boss continues to get ON MY ASS every time I say "ticket" instead of "jira"
Every day brings me closer to retirement, and away from the performative insanity of the workplace

>>105840316
I am about to work at a research lab as an r&d engineer with similar pay. Any tips for me?

>>105844975
Picky bosses are a pain the ass. We have shit we call a certain thing and corporate/customers and certain managers call it something different. Its the same shit regardless of what you call it. There are a dozen different names people give to there computer in the work place and its best to just learn it all.

>>105840316
Christ

>>105844975
you should get her ON YOUR DICK instead

>>105839506
Your optimism is adorable.

>>105843167
I did it for only about 2.5 years as a millennial before the pandemic hit. Helped that my office was about 15-25 minutes away by car.

>>105844975
Jira's not even the correct term. It's the fucking software name, and inside Jira you have issues of varying types.

>>105845190
You're being difficult, not working well with the team, and creating impacts from your unproductive communication style

>>105845190
no thanks, i prefer markdown anyways.

>>105845354
Apples and oranges.

>>105845399
Apples are superior to oranges

>>105840316
Why not talk directly to the CEO? The passive aggressive revenge isn't going to do anything.

>>105843989
>t. pretend-boomer
Firm-handshake my cock bro. What you want me to do, fist fight him?

>>105844975
This jira/ticket shit is one of my favorite sideshows in /twg/

>>105840316
I'm a PhD, pull the same hours as you, and only make $35k.

Thing is, you need to spend 70% of time publishing your work and 30% of time actually doing shit, so that you have shit to publish.
Then you leverage your profile to get raises, promotions and job offers.
I'm terrible at it too.

>>105846287
Is it over for aspiring PhD's?

>>105846346
case by case basis,
in general industry trumps academic experience,
most top people aren't getting PhDs anymore because if you work at OpenAI or NVIDIA you are already doing more interesting shit than at a university in 95% of cases
if you can do a PhD with a good lab and a renowned supervisor with good industry connections then it can pay off big time
my advisor is a nobody and has no industry contacts nor does he care for any topic that is marketable to industry, so I'm just wasting my time, 1 more year and then unemployment

>>105846367
Fuck so i assume you did your post doc for a while with hopes of gaining experience to move into industry? Or were you the type to consider grinding it out to be a tenure professor(or whatever the euro's call it)

How was the PhD experience before getting to your point. Were you getting trained to take over research or were you doing research along with people further into there program before finding something for your dissertation?

>>105843253
>After working as a mover
I remember being a mover when i was 16 or 17 or so. The company had us do oddball jobs for money. There was a group that did an office cleanout in the city, which i wasnt part of i was on cardboard pressing duty, but i was in the movers warehouse when they came back to help unload the truck.

Along with heavy as fuck executive furniture (which was considered trash) there were giant bins of artwork also considered trash, at least 50 framed pieces that my coworkers had a blast snapping in half, using as target practice with sheets of metal, etc...

My company was usually stingy, making you purchase old refrigerators that would otherwise get thrown away but they let me keep this one piece of artwork i pulled away for free.

ended up being a salvador dali lithograph and it was appraised that year (2012?) for $5k and ive held onto it to this day. Sometimes i wonder what value people put up just to look nice and then just dont give a fuck about. Like, i couldnt have chosen "the right" art out of about 50 getting smashed up, that office cleanout probably destroyed over $100k and they didnt give a fuck

>>105846391
Everyone is my group is in complete career limbo except for the boss/supervisor who has a fixed contract that pays as much as a professorship.
There's many talented people in my group who have good publication records but they cannot progress because they don't have any academic prospects. I guess a few of them could in theory go into industry but don't want to. Most of them are non-EU foreigners with VISA issues.

My supervisor just wants to play scientist. He cares about nothing else. I have to fight back to even work on anything that is tangential to industry. I never wanted to stay in academia because I have less than 0% chance of getting a good academic position. But it's challenging to switch to industry because the experience in academia is oceans apart from what industry wants.

For example. I'm doing mostly AI/ML shit. Industry is hiring people with LLM experience, for the most part. Academia has given up on doing anything with LLMs. So there's the challenge.

>>105846511
Thanks for the insight. I too was considering the hop in and hop out approach. The idea of playing scientist would have worked during the cold war when most research was done at the colleges now that industry is footing the bill they have all moved elsewhere. Your experience is not completely worthless. At most it was top end of the spectrum for researchers. We can seldom say anyone else in research has as rosey prospects as you do. Hopefully you find something else since you got boned by the lead who was playing scientists instead of looking at the bigger picture.

>>105840017
This guy codes? I assumed it was a 100% larp, because if I wandered into his twitch stream, he was playing WoW or whatever 60% of the time and the rest of the time he had some asset manager window open, doing nothing, while talking incessantly.

>>105840324
Yanderedev actually is programming his game to eventually complete it. This guy has yet to even bother finishing his rather simple game. Both of them have the same problem and the solution is simple hire someone else to code/design/do the art for/write and voice act for the game with there current revenue streams. At the very least put yourself in the director seat and give everyone work to do so the game is complete. If you cannot do anything then don't but if you have vision and a guideline to follow then hire a team to direct.

Both of them are amateurs but pirate software is the larper for everything he claims to be.

>>105846204
For you to untuck your cock.

Is it normal for female bosses to be absolute fucking dogshit at managing?

>>105847004
You get lucky in a 1/20 situation. These bitches are really biased against certain people and everyone sees it even if she doesn't. Complete lack of self awareness is the reason why these bitches crash and burn.

>>105845354
I wrote my own ticket tracking software that integrates directly into git.

>>105845291
You're being a retard. There's no such thing as "a Jira".

>>105840316
Sorry you Tuckered your cock. Jason does indeed look like an asshole, though

opinion on portable laptop monitors for wfh? company gave me a 14" laptop for dev work, which is basically useless with screen this small. I want to be able to just toss it into a corner after I clock out.
>inb4 kvm
I want to have my personal PC available on the same desk at all times.

>>105847646
Dumber question NTA cant you cast the mointor to another device like an IPAD? and screen? Surely you have more options than just that.

>>105847687
I tried connecting to work laptop via VNC, but video lag is really annoying.

>>105847711
Just buy a cheapo dump monitor and set that up were ever you are at. 34 inch monitors are basically sticky note prices, and just as light.

Or if its on the same desk then double keyboard, mouse and extra monitor on a stand. Then turn it off when needed. Real issue is the power button being under the screen when you need to turn it on. But yes KVM would be the solution you are looking for and Belkin is fine but any brand of KVM is expensive.

>>105847646
just use it on your non-work setup at home

>>105840316
Be sure to dress the part when the camera is turned on for the next meeting

>>105847753
I could but then I wouldn't be able to use my personal PC at the same time.

>>105847885
i meant just use the portable monitor as an extra display for your personal pc, then have one display for your work laptop off to the side.

>>105847891
oh, right. yeah, I could do that when I am not working, sure.

>>105844975
You vill give me my narcissistic dopamine hit and you vill be happy

>>105847745
>then double keyboard, mouse
so far I have been able to avoid that with a software KVM (https://github.com/debauchee/barrier). it has basically 0 input lag.

>>105848429
>>105848429
>>105848429