Is all of AI just one big grift?

>>105908957 (OP)
Billion dollar grifts are the best.

>>105908957 (OP)
Boomers and Joe Rogan seem to think it's a form of magic, so I imagine grifting money out of those types of investors is pretty easy.

>>105908957 (OP)
I just think the marketing is really overpushed since running this is quite expensive. But the real benefit is simply getting results faster and in this world, especially with boomers constantly demanding faster outcomes from younger people, that’s all that really matters anyway

>>105909053
It's magic in the same way that electricity is magic, you're told there is a reason but your eyes gloss over when somebody tries to explain it to you, so then you say "electrons" and they go ohhh I get it, even though they also think electrons are magic

>>105909181
Quantum mechanics and fundemental particles are infinitely harder than le goygpt

>>105908957 (OP)
Every emerging technology has a cloud of grift around it before the substance beneath it becomes the standard.
Saying AI can't program is like saying a browser in 2002 can't emulate a SNES; it will eventually.

Why do programmer bros keep insisting ChatGPT can’t code? Clearly it can, people are literally getting fired because of it. I get that they mean it isn’t perfect, but they’re missing the bigger picture. AI is new, it’s improving fast, and it’s not going to stop. Why do they assume it’ll never get better or replace them? Is it just denial? Sure, they might be better than AI right now, but four years ago AI couldn’t even draw, and now it outperforms most artists.

>>105908957 (OP)
The funny part to me is they really threw hundreds of billions of dollars into the furnace for no results outside of porn generation

>>105909333
>people are literally getting fired because of it.
There would be evidence of entire apps built by it if this were true. Instead, the evidence is “because a CEO, who is incentivized to lie that this is progress rather than cost cutting, said so”

>>105909373
No, that’s not the point. You’re right that AI isn’t replacing entire dev teams yet, but acting like this is the ceiling is just stupid. What kind of argument is it that it hasn’t replaced me yet so it never will? What intellectual reason do coping programmers have that it won’t get better?

>>105909405
I don’t even believe it’s replacing individual developers. I think all significant layoffs due to “AI” were just cost cutting dressed up as AI because it avoids spooking investors.

>>105909427
nta, but that's crazy man where did they get such a large cost-cutting opportunity from? what displaced the value of human labor so much that there were costs to cut?

>>105908957 (OP)
AI is not a grift, AI is moloch trap. Now every corporation and country desperately tries to not be left behind.
You are retarded if you think AI is not already used by governments to make us "safer".

>>105909482
Mostly H-1B, but also companies often cut even though they “can’t” and just overwork everyone else. Largely a function of interest rates. This cycle happens frequently, zoomers like yourself haven’t been through one yet.

>>105909501
Why would they funnel the savings they're making from those cuts directly back into AI if they don't intend for it to be a valid replacement?

>>105909744
They…don’t? Microsoft already spent the money and the rest (that aren’t AI companies themselves) are just sitting on it. I know you’re a zoomer and this is le epic scariest heckin thing ever but it’s just another tech down cycle. Relax.

>>105909812
Every company in FAANG has increased their capital investment into AI by 50~100% compared from 2024-2025

>>105908957 (OP)
AI is good but it will suffer a bubble burst like the internet before it becomes good.
It's easy to get funding if you just slap AI to the thing, even if it's not useful or any good.

>>105909931
>that aren’t AI themselves
Reading is hard

>>105909960
Either you're high on your own opinion (which is impossible to substantiate) or a bad faith actor.
In either case it's useless to argue with you because you simply don't possess an argument.

>>105910009
>zoom Zoom zoom

>>105908957 (OP)
This reminds me of that company who claimed to be making AI generated software but they really just had Indians doing the programming. We're firmly in grift territory right now but who knows how things will turn out going forward

>>105910029
Don’t forget the “finance a burrito” company that laid people off to replace with AI and within a few months are rehiring those positions because it all went to shit

>>105909333
it cant code completely independently and there is technically a possibility that it never will although that possibility is getting pretty low. People still love to mention it though and then idiotically phrase it as "AI can't even code!"

>>105908957 (OP)
You can apply this logic to everything with LLMs. If it does such a great job at X task why would they sell access to it instead of locking it down to build businesses using that capability? Why are there still engineers at any of these "AI" companies?

>>105908957 (OP)
I just coded a React application for my sales job. I’m not a developer, but it works well enough for my purposes. I think one underrated part of AI is its ability to give everyone tools that level the playing field.

This post's fatal assumption is that the software copies need to be just as good but they don't.

>>105910481
If you can't make Photoshop you haven't leveled the playing field.

>>105908957 (OP)
>blow says something
>it's based

>>105908957 (OP)
No shit Sherlock.
You see all the Saltmans and Musks trowing big words about AGI and ze future towards investors for years with no real effect and you still have doubts?
Obviously it's a grift, it always was just that.

>>105909331
>Saying AI can't program is like saying a browser in 2002 can't emulate a SNES; it will eventually.
I don't think that's a good example. A browser in 2002 had to use flash or java applets to do something with realtime processing on the order of a SNES simply because such functionality like the modern DOM or canvas or somesuch hadn't been made yet. But clearly it was hardly undiscovered science, simply that netscape and Microsoft didn't see the need to do what was best left to plugins at the time.
However LLMs have a VERY different problem. LLMs can't code because they can't reason and can't understand logic. They can fake it, and with directed generation can refine their fakery enough to con a few people with deep pockets, but the next logical step of making something that CAN code is not a matter of integrating some existing idea into today's LLMs, it involves throwing out the entire concept of an LLM and replacing it with a new thing not invented yet.

>>105910481
>I think one underrated part of AI is its ability to give everyone tools that level the playing field
AI shills and anti AI deniers are somehow always ignoring this

>>105910481
>everyone tools that level the playing field
And that's a bad thing. Skill is something to be acquired through effort, not given on a plate, otherwise everything loses its value.

>>105909333
>Why do programmer bros keep insisting ChatGPT can’t code?
Because they would admit defeat and it's easier to parrot this when most people can't tell the difference between good or bad code.
Artists couldn't do the same because anyone can tell a good picture from a bad one without any technical background.
Basically, it's just cope

>>105908957 (OP)
No. AI cannot fail. AI can only be failed. Anyone getting bad output of AI needs to learn to prompt. Since starting to use AI a year ago my productivity has skyrocketed 10000x. I run six businesses now using primarily AI agents and offshore prompt engineers and I clear $300M in revenue. Just learn to prompt.

>>105908957 (OP)
Yes, just like everything else in society. All you need, your sole duty, is to fear the God of creation and keep his commandments. Farming and hunting your food while keeping comfortable is a secondary concern. Lots of people throughout time have found a way for others to do the latter for them while ignoring the former.
Pretty shitty what mankind has come to think as progress.

>>105910724
kikes really thought they could create a god in the computer but they don't know that only whites can become gods.
Not create but become. Their hubris is their downfall.

>>105910481
What's funny about your statement is that we've been chasing this dragon for a long time. COBOL was intended to let people who couldn't hack mainframe assembly make reports and data workflows.
SQL was designed to let people get access to data if they couldn't hack COBOL.
Visual Basic was for non-programmers to have a way to prototype applications that a real programmer would finish up at a later date
And hell, react and other such frameworks were for web devs who were mostly visual workers if not artists so they could work with building blocks and not have to understand the javascript necessary to create what we consider basic web functionality today.
You using AI to help you write react is just another rung on the ladder. It's no more a game changer than any other helper, it just happens to be another onboarding point for another group of people who hadn't joined the "get the computer to do the work" club yet.
So what I'm saying is, welcome to the club, you might like it here, but if you stay you'll have to understand that with the peak behind the curtain you've had, you'll soon learn how much bullshit it hid from public view.

>>105909333
>people are literally getting fired because of it.
In my day people were being laid off by the thousands so the companies could pivot to Java delivered by Jeetcode ltd. They usually didn't even wait to find out if the new workers were even remotely competent. It was fire first, find out later. And there was often a whole lot of sheepish re-hiring of senior devs who now commanded even higher salaries to rescue these failures which I can only assume will happen again.
I've been using GPT to generate me some basic JS+HTML stuff, like canvas utilities, image processing, accelerometer stuff, etc. because I find that kind of web dev really fucking irksome. It's basically what GPT is good at: basically just copy/pasting someone else's code because you asked it for what there's hundreds of examples of with little variation. However whenever I ask it for a little bit of seasoning sprinkled over the example code it goes from 95% there to WTF% so fast you have to wonder how anyone thinks this is going to replace a human any time soon.

>>105910815
So basically a stackoverflow but better?

>>105910763
it is a gamechanger because he literally doesnt have to write anything nor understand the logic. Stop coping. It is not the same as COBOL, it's not the same as other nocode tools that existed in the past or WYSIWIG editors. It's totally different, you dont have to learn any buttons or operate anything. All you do is tell it what you want in common language without having to understand the logic.

>>105909333
>>105910815
>>105910720
>>105910080
>>105909373
it's very simple my friend, in addition to what these fine folks have said you must also consider the fact that the people who do firing and layoffs do not themselves code, this happens in the tech industry (and in related industries that rely on internal tech workers) wherein some new onions will be released that promises the fucking moon, they begin to drag it in and insist people use it, and lay off people based on projected utility, often due to some flawed methodology (giving the tool to a small team and seeing how much more productive they can be with it, often a team that specializes in something the tool is actually suited for) and then fires the reciprocal of the excess based on that (productivity up 50%, then fire 33% of your labor force, since 66 * 1.5 ~= 100)
the problem is that these tools, devices, etc are ALWAYS overblown by the people making them, sure while you're writing code this can essentially tab-complete whole code blocks for you but asking it to write the entirety of a banking system for you is suicide, even if it by some miracle works it will be riddled with bugs, security flaws, and regulation violations, which will take far more time to fix than if you had simply done it correctly in the first place, once the bubble bursts and the hype dies down the industry settles and almost all the workers who were laid off get rehired to fix the fucking tools that got them fired in the first place

>>105910481
>>105910705
>it's just a.. le tool

>Blowy boy calling anyone unproductive
Stopped reading there
How's his programming language and sokoban clone coming along? two more weeks?

>>105908957 (OP)
Well, first of all most startup's goal isnt to make money, its to get bought out. Second of all, yes it was always a grift. LLM are not "AI", and most machine learning isnt AI either.

>>105910872
>ure while you're writing code this can essentially tab-complete whole code blocks for you but asking it to write the entirety of a banking system for you is suicide
Why do anti AI cultist always insist that using """AI""" means you'll just "do stuff" instead of "how to do stuff"

>>105910481
Right now what it's doing is letting people create one-off solutions to one-off problems.

It's not really good at anything else. It'll make me something shitty that gets my job I need done and I'm happy with it, but nobody else would be happy with it.

>>105908957 (OP)
>john blowjob

>>105910721
>I clear $300M in revenue

>>105908957 (OP)
>Is all of AI just one big grift?
Nah, some of it is useful. NotePerformer is great for composing, for example - it does articulation quite well and is nice for getting an idea how your music will sound.

"LLMs as AI" is basically grifting, though.

>>105909333
Nobody's getting fired because of ChatGPT. People are getting fired and replaced with cheap indians, and then companies claim it was because of LLMs when in reality "we fired our people to replace them with cheap foreign scabs" sounds bad for PR whereas "we fired our people due to technological advances" sounds less bad.

>>105910877
Reddit won, chud.

yeah, this is why all the agentic shit and IDE pivots dispel the nonsense companies like OpenAI and Anthropic keep claiming
if they were going automate software engineering or any other field they wouldn't sell you access to the model, they would keep it to themselves and collect all the money
whats more likely they want people to do the R&D to figure out viable products using LLMs and then they want to rugpull their model access and release their own competitor a la amazon

DAILY REMINDER!

>>105909333
>AI is new, it’s improving fast, and it’s not going to stop
Wrong, wrong, speculation
So is it good enough now or in the future? These are contradicting positions.
Also taking actions based on a predicted future is inherently a gamble
>currently as I gamble I'm getting on average $0.7 back for every dollar I put it, yes it's a loss but at sone point the odds will be tweaked and I'll start winning more than I put in
The logical move in this situation is to wait for that "tweak" and only then start gambling. Doing it now is just a loss.
Nobody is being laid off due to AI, it's just a scapegoat

>>105908957 (OP)
on some level

>>105909181
>electrons are magic
Might as well be.

>>105911745
We have to accept the science, and trust that they aren't making shit up.

>>105908957 (OP)
No, but it gives grifters a very powerful tool very well suited for them to grift with. Especially since the average layman doesn't understand shit about it.

>>105909333
people are fired because capitalism is collapsing, if you didn't notice. it can't be sustain even with millions of imported indians, that's how bad it is.

>>105910872
This guy has been through a few of these cycles before. This is just like jeets in the late 90s all over again.

>>105909333
Like all LLMs, Chatgpt has a small context window and a limited ability to understand. You can think of it as a short term memory, long term memory, and reading comprehension. Because of this, you can't really create full programs with LLMs, only snippets. Unfortunately, even the snippets often have errors. Unless you're a competent programmer yourself, you would have a hard time even with the AI assistance.

>>105908957 (OP)
>x.com/Chamath
it is a grift

>>105908957 (OP)
Everything which isn't entertainment is AI hard. AI is for porn and other even less useful shit, until we create AI god.

>>105908957 (OP)
Damn this guy can't release a new game for shit but he is good at cutting through other's grifter bullshit

>>105909333
People aren't getting fired because the AI can code. They are getting fired because it's clear the people weren't coding. In fact they weren't doing shit. Blow is 100% right, most programmers are lazy and totally unproductive. It's just the bosses think they've finally found something that can replace the bare minimum they used to pay people to do. Even if the new work is the same quality or even worse it's better to them than paying someone to do that.

If every tech company had competent productive developers then a chatbot would not be replacing them.

>>105908957 (OP)
I guarantee you will literally never find a dev that works every day or even the whole day and literally every dev ITT will say that anyone that actually works for an entire work day is just shit at their job and needs to get good and then cries when they are fired or jobhopping again

>>105912089
And we have more Jeets than ever. That cycle never ended, it only accelerated.

>>105913315
>>105913307
I'm my own man in terms of coding and can confirm that you can't be productive all-day-every-day. sometimes I don't do shit for weeks (have other things going on in my life), then come back to stuff and put in 8-10 hours for a couple days until I start to feel that my brain gets fried.
one has to pace oneself, and all the scrum-based and workaholic-chaser companies are exploiting people until they get burnt out. how do I know? I lived it.
motivation is something you have to get for yourself and not something externally given by a scrum meeting which I loathe.
AIs can't replicate human creativity/ingenuity, just imitate a laughable caricature of it:

- AI’s power lies in predictive fluency and not understanding but arranging ideas in a statistical construct.
- AI replicates language, fluency, and structure but bypasses the human substrate of thought.
- Coherence is no longer a marker of meaning but a statistical artifact, language that merely sounds right.

so yeah blow is kinda right and this whole AI fad will collapse in and on itself over time.

>>105913392
>doom doom doom
Sucks to be you I’m living good. Maybe stop being a miserable bum

>>105910877
Yes, now I don't have to buy overpriced SaaS subscriptions to do a one off project.

Just look at the features CapCut Pro wants you to pay for. AI totally makes this obsolete. I could get an AI to create a video editor with all these in a day.

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Direct posting to TikTok and YouTube without leaving the editor, with no watermark for TikTok uploads

>>105915189
ok, now maintain that code when shit starts fucking up

>>105915286
>ok, now maintain that code when shit starts fucking up
LMAO the ai will do that. I'm not paying you six figures faggot

>>105908957 (OP)
do you people even need to ask this question? lmao
LLMs can be really useful, but they are untrustable, esp. in topics they weren't trained on.

>>105909333
Here's the twist. AI actually makes you more unproductive.
>Surprisingly, we find that when developers use AI tools, they take 19% longer than without—AI makes them slower.
https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/