Thread 105924942

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC&diff=55476&oldid=55400

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (13/14th gen -K CPU BIOS update required)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: Acer XV271U M3, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>105870415

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>105908993

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super rumors: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?usp=sharing

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>>105924942 (OP)
love me some pussy

>>105924908
Yes, they help. Choose one with biggest fan in the middle that you can find, usually they have 2 settings and on "low" only biggest fan works. Also that mesh in front of fan? Is shit. Pick a model that has sparse cage or even no cover whatsoever over the fan.

spam thread created based on false accusations of brand warring to troll and divide the general. also using an off topic image of a cat instead of a pc build.
real thread below
>>105924827
>>105924827
>>105924827

>>105924946
>5060 Ti 16GB
What is it's purpose? I refuse to believe that 4GB VRAM is worth it when it's priced within $100 of 5070 12GB

>>105924991
its a gpu that only exists so that nvidia doesn't lose too much buyer goodwill

>>105924978
>false accusations
Yours is /AMD pcbg/. You left GeForce workstation cards because you can't bullshit around that segment.

>Battlemage had an overall good launch. Lately, it’s been getting coverage for a potential for driver overhead in some test configurations that cause disproportionately bad performance on older CPUs.
>In addition to our 9800X3D test platform, we also ran several cards back through on a 5600X (watch our review) with locked clocks and an i5-12400 (watch our review).
>The short answer to the question of whether it changes performance is “no.”
>The long answer is that we have extra charts to show why not.
>There are scenarios where it can matter, but other than a couple instances, they do not really emerge in our test suite.
https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/intel-arc-b570-battlemage-gpu-review-benchmarks-low-end-cpu-tests-efficiency

>>105924991
A more well-rounded card for entry-level graphics & AI workloads.
5070 is the better gaming card.

better off buying used 4060 than b580 if you don't have the most expsensive new gaming cpu. intards on suicide watch.

>>105925024
Go back to your own thread and shit it up instead. This was never reproduced in real world testing.

>>105925024
Debunked by Gamers Nexus, a Ryzen 5600 isn't a costly drop-in upgrade these days either.
>Let’s quickly talk results: First, in most scenarios, there is no meaningful impact.
>The biggest situation was with the 5600X in Baldur’s Gate 3.
>The 12400 did not react as violently. The secondary impact is in some 0.1% low differences, but these often also manifested on other devices.

>he bought amd + nvidia instead of amd + amd

retard alert

>>105925019
Here it costs 600, 5070 costs 700. I'd understand if 5060 Ti was at most 500. The pricing doesn't make any sense. Is anyone actually buying it?

>>105925058
Check the Steam charts.
5060 Ti 16GB is generally selling better than the 5060 Ti 8 GB.

>>105925055
i5 14400F + RTX 5070
Ryzen 7 7700 + 9070

>>105925051
yes and im glad i did it

>>105925045
>>105925051
So much for "false accusations of brand warring".
It's right here.

>>105924946
>RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
What is reasonable price for 5070?

>>105925049
Nothing was debunked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjkDGxhXAtU

RTX 4060 which is slower on paper is faster than b580 when using budget cpus in cpu limited games due to driver overhead. stop denying reality.

>>105925067
>>Ryzen 7 7700 + 9070

I built this last week. Great not having a heater near me.

>>105925096
This is the reality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlAXGl7iQFI

>>105925113
I was sitting next to Q6600 @4.0GHz for 10 years. North Bridge needed it's own separate tower with 80mm fan.

>HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME?
>I'VE MADE MY ARCHITECTURE
>GOT NO DRIVERS TO RUN
>THE STUTTERING GOES ON AS I'M FADING FPS
>I'M SICK OF THIS LIFE
>I JUST WANNA CRASH
>HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME?

>>105925124
>off topic what aboutism
I accept your concession intard

>>105925090
>What is reasonable price for 5070?
It depends on your parameters, taking into account the prices of alternative cards.
If you feel the 5070 should be bought at a discount because it may be limited by the 12GB VRAM, that's your standard.

>>105925163
Hardly off topic.
People with CPUs older than a 5600 are too stingy to buy a Battlemage card anyway.

>this thread has an intel shill lying that arc overhead isn't real
ok guess im going to the other one

>>105925199
nta and he right though. arc overhead only exists in cherry picked scenarios

>>105925199
People are having fun with their B580s, imagine that.
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/completed%20intel%20arc/

amd leaker here

new amd gpu drivers drop on friday

it changes everything

>>105925051
>intel + amd

I want to buy a case, which one would you recommend?
>deepcool ch260
>MATREXX 40 3FS
or should I keep my 1 dollar office case? I cant find good deals in my thirdie cunt

>>105925347
Get the CH260 if it's large enough for your PC.
If you need stock fans, get the MATREXX 40.

>>105925209
How is last of us 2 and spiderman on high settings at 1080p with a 5600 a cherry pick?
>>105925153
>>105925096

Seems like a realistic scenario for someone that upgraded their older zen 3 rig for higher fps in newer games which the b580 can't deliver when paired with budget cpus

>>105925370
should I really spend money on case? I could buy 3080 10 gb instead of 3060 12gb (100$~ difference) and perhaps modify the office case, drill holes or something like that?
ch260 looks so compact and cool but I am kind of overthinking, what should I do?

>>105925400
If you have doubts, keep your money and make the most out of the case you have.

>>105925400
Do you really need a case in the first place? Open stand that shit. If you can get better GPU over buying new case - I'd go with GPU.

>>105925413
I still havent bought gpu, wouldnt gpu sag or break the pci of the motherboard without a case? Without the pc case I get better thermals but since I am a lazy fucker and drink on my table I could splash my tea and kill everything so I put them into the case

>>105925475
Buy a cheap test bench and keep the card vertically mounted, or just set it in an open cardboard box.

>>105925475
Unless it's a giga size GPU it can rest on a horizontal motherboard without issue.

>>105925398
>No response
I guess intards don't know what to say when confronted with the cold hard truth

>>105925508
The "completed it on Intel Arc" bro beat The Last of Us Part II with his B580.
People are having fun with these cards.

>>105925494
test bench is already 1/3 price of ch260
actually cardboard idea looks so cool, I think I will cut my laptop + motherboard box and make my own case, could work i guess

>>105925475
It would sag a little but won't break unless you yank cords accidentally. You can always put some shit between MB & hanging end of GPU like piece of plastic, I had kids toy down there that was just the right size.

>>105925475
Do I need the anti static bag under mb? Cardboards can make static charges right?
I am thinking of putting plastic ties across mb's holes through cardboard, can it break something like resistors even if i do it gently?
Does psu position matter here? Vertical or horizontal for thermals
I also have 3 thermalright fans, if I tape them on the sides of cardboars and put another cardboard to close everything and tape them, will it help thermals or am I overthinking?
This is my first pc build experience so i want to make sure i am not doing anything retarded

>>105925699
Make sure to put some slices of watermelon into that ghetto rig, nigga

>>105925699
Don't use cardboard paper; they are susceptible to static buildup.
That ESD cover under the board is also not a good idea, it might melt/deform from the heat emitted by the heat.

>>105925699
Just put the bag motherboards comes in under it. You might want to put plastic trays that RAM came into under the corners because otherwise there's backplate under CPU & Cooler that it is going to rest on. That's what I did.

I can assure you those extra fans are not needed for an open stand, you are overthinking it. Their purpose in a case would be to push air through input mesh and into the case, and out of it. If you have no case - you don't have to push air in and out of it.

>>105925746
>it might melt/deform from the heat emitted by the heat.
The ESD cover might deform from the heat emitted by the board components.

>buy oled
>get vrr flicker
>turn off vrr
>get tearing
is it worth it just to get tearing? what's the solution buy 500hz just to get less tearing to run vrr off?
is it a nothinburger? it might be the thing that gave me eye strain in the first place, might have been other things too
getting oled fatigue soon... it might be over, we might have to go back to IPS
I turned off vrr on 240hz oled and I could notice the tearing too so I guess it's not high enough hz to eliminate it

>>105925546
>pick budget upgrade components
>plan to reuse cooler & RAM
>get annoyed LGA1700 is several mm offset from LGA1151 so backplate won't fit
>order new backplate for 12 EUR
>realize budget MB doesn't have onboard power buttons
>would have to buy a chassis or hotwire that shit with screwdriver every time need to power off or reset

I'm getting annoyed and considering premium upgrade instead of those little inconveniences.

How comes nobody can ever get anyone from Radeon to go on these youtube channels?

Nvidia sent a graphics engineer to GN
AMD sent Ryzen engineers to GN
Intel sent GPU engineers to GN

Why don't the Radeon engineers go? The only person we hear from Frank Azor, a marketer

>>105925766
vrr flicker is cuz your 1% lows (CPU) can't keep up
turning off VRR means you use Vsync

>>105924991
It's purpose? To sell, which it does.

Thinking of upgrading my 11years old build which only runs the most basic shit imaginable by now. I don't think there is a point in trying to reuse any of the old parts besides storage.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8Nx4VF
Hit me up with anything you'd change or comment on parts that are out of place. Put this together in the last hour, my knowledge is superficial.

>>105925782
Radeon is full of open source nerds. That means interviewing Valve (makers of the AMD ACO compiler) or some TSMC IHV (LTT\Debaurer Powercolor tour).

>>105925782
>>105925826
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/powercolor-tul-factory-tour/

>>105925824
Can't you get 7800x3d instead for those money?
Didn't Gigabyte 5070 have issues with thermal gel?

>>105925058
Because the differential is going to be higher once the 5070 Super hits.

>>105925826
>some TSMC IHV (LTT\Debaurer Powercolor tour).
Power Color just assembles the board components and the cooler into a finished video card.
They are not an Independent Hardware Vendor (IHV), AMD, Intel, and NVIDIA are.
That's why NVIDIA gets away with their high margins ('AIBs just solders board components together').

AMD is the one that secures orders for TSMC chips, they supply the GPU & memory chips as a set to their board partners.

>>105925824
Avoid Gigabyte RX 9000 and RTX 50 series cards.
Their advertised thermal gel solution doesn't benefit customers; they used this to save money.

>>105925846
>>105925987
Thank you, might have dodged a bullet there. Any other brand you'd recommend instead?

>>105926049
ASUS or MSI are sure bet, though they would be a bit more expensive.

Are these depreciated? A12x25 g2 are $35 and fractal momentum 12s are $17. Only need 2-3 fans so an arctic 5 pack is too much.

>>105926230
A new NF-F12 costs over $20, and this fan was released in November 2011.
There's no point paying a premium for such an old fan design.
If you have working NF-F12 fans, keep using them.

Fractal Momentum fans are better than this, there's also be Quiet Silent Wings 4 or Pure Wings 3.

>>105925987
XFX cards are also meh. Mem temps nearing 90° on anything that's not solitaire.exe on my 9060xt.
inb4 "that's safe operating temps, my dude"

Old Modem I got from my shitty ISP is hot as fuck (70C) And those faggots are trying to gaslight me into believing that it's ok.

>>105926340
Well, if you don't buy sapphire then you deserve it.

>>105926417
man this copper bluepcb 4850 was a beauty

>>105926261
Yeah they both still work. Need 2 fans possibly 3 for NR200 case. Noctua a14 is $45 though so I bought the momentum 14 instead.

AMD sufferers will finally not have to use Optiscaler when benchmarking CP2077, lucky them.

>>105924942 (OP)
>KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
Seems like at least some units reduce brightness after 5-10 minutes of white background https://youtu.be/rKwCgtqHbc8?t=692
It wasn't mentioned in the Japanese review. I'll check it when my unit arrives.

I want a free 5090

>>105926762
It's an extended brightness limiter, not a bug.

>>105926768
pretend to be a woman and get some random guy to buy you one

>>105926786
The monitor's hdr1400 certified, which means it should maintain 900 nit for 30 minutes.

why does amd disrespect their customers that purchased a 6000 or 7000 series card? why are they not allowing them to use fsr 4?
i though nvidia were the only bad guys

>>105926995
GL with any firmware updates, see where this link redirects to.
https://en.ktcplay.com/download/

>>105927017
>them to use fsr 4?
You can use it on linux but it's too heavy to be useful

god FUCKING dammit

>>105927064
It's more fps than native and better quality than native

I will not buy the new noctuas
I will not buy the new noctuas
My pc is already decked out with the previous gen...

i upgraded from i7 3770k to i7 14900k and desu no regrets

>>105927017
The tensor & RT cores in NVIDIA's GPU were originally added to meet workstation needs.
NVIDIA developed RTX and DLSS to utilize those cores in gaming as well.

AMD couldn't attract high-margin workstation customers who were willing to pay for that R&D.
FSR4 became what it is because of Sony's collaboration.

>>105927102
oh...

i had to get a 6090xt temporarily and i already regret it, i should've gotten 5060ti

>>105927102
Retard.
It degrades after 2-3 months.

>>105927062
>EM-10.0-23
>Still severe performance loss compared to native FSR3.

>>105927102
i9* 14900k
>>105927117
my friend said new ones dont

>>105927113
i unironically purchased a 7900xt thinking that amd was going to support me well into the future

>>105927119
Why lie? Post GPU-Z with today's date.

>>105927067
What

>>105927127
Did you update the board bios? Intel extended the warranty duration of the boxed 13/14th gen CPUs to 5 years.

>>105927067
is that the new lian li 207 case with the little lcd screen thing?

>>105927134
He has a 4070. He won't embarass himself admitting it with picture proof.

>>105927142
yes

>>105927146
K E K

>>105927134
Says the coping liar. Enjoy that 1080p internal resolution.
Upscaling is fine is Radeon does it, kek.

>>105927135
better pic
>>105927145
yeah the 207 digital

>>105927146
Still has the DLSS spammer in his head, rent-free™.

rdna 3 anons like me were just beta testers for rdna 4 this whole time
feels bad man

>>105927190
Some people in /pcbg/ warned others about this possibility.

I genuinely believe that Hardware Unboxed has nearly ruined any online discussion of pc gaming/hardware. Borderline grifters and at least half of their videos are disingenuous at best. Their nigger fanbase has infested everything

>>105927169
that's fucking crazy man

>>105927169
what's the problem? just don't remove the film to keep in one piece. you now have custom styled case.

>>105927169
Sucks this happened, maybe Lian Li will send you a replacement panel.
Refund might be faster.

>>105927242
Luckily I got disillusioned by them back in the days when they replaced their superior 10900k GPU test rig with a much slower 4 ccx 3950x and used that slow ass cpu for the rtx3080 review and defending their biased decision by saying it was the more common CPU (wut) and supported pcie gen4 (no benefit)

>>105925790
>vrr flicker is cuz your 1% lows (CPU) can't keep up
people report getting flicker even with locked low fps and shit entirely dependent on game engine
(Capped fps + vrr) did not solve vrr flicker for some, people don't seem to agree on your claim
and I only saw it in certain situations mostly, loading screens, however it might still be in dark areas I did not check

>turning off VRR means you use Vsync
vsync off

>>105927102
>*21 missed calls from FrameChasers Discord

>>105927242
Vitriolic bunch yeah. Watched a bunch of their vids when picking parts for a new budget PC and gradually began to hate them and their snarky shit.

i believe that linus may be the only pure big tech tuber
everyone else is just looking to make money or start random drama

>>105927242
>>105927314
HWUB Steve downclocks the boost frequency of GeForce GPUs to match NVIDIA's very conservative spec sheets (stock RTX 50 settings can easily boost above 200~300GHz of advertised specs).
That's why other tech reviewers can't replicate his numbers.
https://youtu.be/UMPK1SeMEZM?t=209

Steve blames the fact that NVIDIA sent him a Ventus OC card for review, not the non-OC.
But there's only a 30MHz boost difference between these cards, not the 200~300GHz he downclocked.
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-5070-Ti-16G-VENTUS-3X-OC/Specification
https://us.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-5070-Ti-16G-VENTUS-3X/Specification

>last time i had coil wine was three years ago
why is he so smug?

>>105927390
What phenotype is this?

but the njudea shills told me fsr4 would never be in any games. even cybertranny is getting it

>>105927390
So he lost the ability to hear high pitched sounds three years ago...

>>105927429
makeup on a pig

>>105927429
>njudea shills told me fsr4 would never be in any games
No one said this, not even the DLSS spammer.
People said adoption would be mostly limited to newer titles, because devs rarely go back to update a profit-maximized old game.

Cyberpunk is getting FSR4 and other content updates because CDProjekt Red is using this title to help new hires get accustomed to their workflow.

>>105927127
> my friend said new ones dont

>>105927169
Thats gross.

>>105927468
> People said adoption would be mostly limited to newer titles, because devs rarely go back to update a profit-maximized old game.
Let's be honest, it doesn't matter for old games.

>>105927809
Holy shit it's all making sense, swarthoid with a large curved nose who likes to deceive and gaslight, how did I not see this before???
All of these years of /pol/ have taught me nothing...

>>105927845
It matters for old games with only TAA, that's why Optiscaler is popular.

> workstation build
> two 2k monitors for everyday use
> one 4k monitor which turns only for a short time for color proof
> core ultra 7 265k, 96gb 6400 gskill z5 royal
Want to get a used 3080ti or 3090, will I loose a lot of performance from 3080ti with double 2k monitor? Also there are enough sweet 500 bucks deals for 3090 cards from nice sellers, why is that with 3090? Some issues?

>>105928038
Those cards can eventually fail due to the weakness in their power delivery design.
The Vcore VRM can die after some point if you don't undervolt the GPU and set a lower power limit for it (to dampen transient spikes).
>>105925665

Even one of the most overbuilt 3090 (ASUS Strix) isn't immune to this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Io82erLCo

It's always a dead Vcore DrMOS.

Has anyone built a gaming pc to take at work ?
I've been playing remote but I want to take it to the next level.

>>105928091
40 50 series have even bigger fuckups, you think they wont survive some 3d render and animation for like 3 years?

>>105928140
What kind of company allows this. Here they'd bloat the OS with tons of security features making it unusable for gaming.

>>105928149
>40 50 series have even bigger fuckups
In terms of power delivery design, they don't.
If you're worried about the 4090/5090's melting connector, you just have to set a 400W power limit or even downclock the boost frequency for professional workloads.
There's practically 0 4090 or 5090 needing a DrMOS replacement.

>>105928154
I mean a separate pc, put it under my desk and connect it to my second monitor.

I have a hdmi switcher with a remote that is taped under my desk so whenever someone comes in my office I just press the remote and the monitor switches to my work pc.

>>105928170
You can always buy an astral if you fear unbalanced ampere leading to melting. Alternative Thermal Grizzly WireView PRO II should release in near future that shows the ampere on a small display per pin.

>>105928149
A stock 3090 isn't even guaranteed to survive the transients caused by Stable Diffusion loads; the affected card in the pic was a higher-end AORUS 3090.
That guy replaced his card with a 4090.

Just your weekly reminder that amd cards need more vram to do the same thing. 16gb on AMD = 13.5GB on Nvidia.
Keep this in mind when buying your next gpu.

>>105928184
Wouldn't people notice especially if it's noisy? A mATX or "gaming" laptop could work unless you wanted to play the latest AAA shit but no idea how you want to explain this to your boss if they notice.

I have Ryzen 5 3600 and my GTX 1070 ti died last weekend. I don't feel like upgrading rest of the platform for now. What can I get as replacement GPU? I can get used 4080 8GB for $250 or new 3060 16GB for a bit more.

I have Ryzen 5 3600 and my GTX 1070 ti died last weekend. I don't feel like upgrading rest of the platform for now. What can I get as replacement GPU? I can get used 4060 8GB for $250 or new 3060 16GB for a bit more.

>>105928237
>more gpu utilization is bad
it means the 5080 loses to amd

>>105928354
>ASUS Crosshair X870E Hero
>BIOS 9945
what. Latest version for this mobo is 1512

>>105928354
>Timespy in the year 2025
Lol fuck off retard
It's 8gb vs 8gb in the screenshot but you can see the lows on the amd card, it's not a "utilization" issue

>>105928192
i don't want to underwolt things anyway, why should I pay more and get less, melting connectors and faulty dram sounds same to me, frankly. I will than get a 3080ti and wait for something better and don't be sad about it dying out, I don't think a faulty gpu can fuck up all build, it's either I get a leak from AIO, either I have a vram

>>105928401
>frankly. I will than get a 3080ti
>He doesn't know
3080/Ti and 3090 suffer from the same vulnerability.
You need to set a power limit at the very least if you plan to use any of these cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbP0YRhXHCk

The guys who repair these cards can already guess what the problem is (short & dead DrMOS) before fully diagnosing the bricked unit.

>>105928401
No need to power limit. I'd assume a decent cable shouldn't have issues with melting connectors unless you drastically exceed the 9.2A and with an astral you can see the ampere values. However the Astral only has a software notification if you get past 9.2A and it's rather expensive. As alternative like mentioned before the new Wireview works which should come with an emergency off if you exceed a certain threshold but they haven't announced a release date yet.

4060/5060 bros, we've won.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-neural-texture-compression-combined-with-directx-reduces-gpu-vram-consumption-by-up-to-90-percent/

hello where N2 am5 cpu

>105928691
>Fake ai hallucinated slop textures instead of just giving the card another 8gigs of memorg which costs literally 10-20 dollars more at most
Kys shill

>>105928834
Let's not pretend AMD doesn't want to productize their AI & RT research.

>>105928691
enjoy the 3 nvidia sponsored AAA slopturds it'll be implemented in

>>105928834
AMD and Intel have something similar coming.
Will it be okay when they (amd) release the shittier version just like with fsr4 (which isn't and will never be transformer based)
>>105928897
Cope and Seethe. Physx, the stupid hair, whatever their ambient occlusion was, dlss, ray tracing, framegen, 6 gorillion others I can't think of off the top of my head.

Picking a display is the hardest thing pc building, every where you look you see issues and problems
blessed are the poorfags because they just buy the cheapest stuff and move on with their lives

>>105928897
Two of which will be GTA 6 and Witcher 4.
The third? Maybe Elder Scrolls 6.
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/cooperative-vector/

>>105927169
rip
which shipping company?

>>105928930
yeah, the 6 gorillion where you can count on your fingers every single worthwhile game with any of the things you listed

Uhm my cooler is a little big and goes to the ram (the other side also goes to the big ass mb heatskin) is this configuration ok?

>>105928996
if there is just anything with the RAM you'll have to remove the cooler, repaste and attach it again. This is why I dont get anons recommending those huge ass air coolers.

>>105928962
for starters you shouldn't be buying a matte oled, it defeats the entire purpose of having an oled.

>>105928980
>He plays only indie-slop on his RX470 (4gb)
>>105928996
If it's not actually pushing anything that it's good enough
Should have bought an aio

>>105929020
Cooler itself is OK, it barely is in the border of the leftmost ram slot. Its just that fan is in weird position and it makes a little more vibration sounds regardless of whatever position I am attempting to

I just bought a keychron p1 pro after using razer and steelseries all my life. Why the fuck haven't I been researching custom mechanical keyboards this entire time. This makes using my PC so much nicer than that plastic piece of shit blackwidow.

>>105928996
That's normal for air coolers. pushing the fan a little above the ram won't affect much if it's too close to the ram heatsinks.

Can I get some help with the fan configuration, I think I have it figured out, but something still feels off. I been hours at this...
This is what I got
>Mobo Asus TUF b850 plus
>Arctic Liquid Freezer III
>P12 argb fans x6
>P14 argb fans x1
I bought a hub, thinking I’d need it because of the number of fans. but when I got them I noticed I could connect them to each other.
The first part of the pic is what I was doing right now but then I thought I could just connect everything to the mobo
And another thing, I don't have to do anything with the fans that comes with the radiator?
Both would work? are there any benefits of using the hub?

>>105929358
I hate hubs in my opinion just use a pwm splitter for each group of fans you have. The hub just makes it easier to cable manage and plug them in.

>>105929385
I see, I guess I'll try with the second pic first but I dont know if is ok to chain 4 fans and 4 argb connectors at the same time, and one of them is 140mm too
and what about the radiator fans, I've seen a couple of videos but nobody does anything with them

>>105929564
most aio rad fans are powered through a 3-1 splitter. you'd just plug VRM into CPU (its the small fan), pump into the pump labeled header, and the fan will connect all three fans on the rad to a single header. i hope this helped, i have a ALF3 but I don't fuck with rgb. i also have like 12 fans in my pc using simple pwm splitters and it just werks for me. 3x140mm fans can work on a single header I found.

>>105929661
if the hub makes it easier to connect the rgb and fans though, then just use it for your build and don't worry, it's not that complicated tbqh

>>105929034
>(You)r opinion
but yeah, since I have looked at them irl yeah I agree matte just diffuses light and makes it look like an lcd and reduces perceived contrast and colors quite a lot
in dark room I think they would be near the same although you still have a tinge of the layer still there
this only narrows it down a bit though and we have many more problems to go through

>>105929034
> it defeats the entire purpose of having an oled
What would that be? Aside from the joy to watch the burn in real time.

>>105929774
you are fucking with the perceived contrast and detail is obviously less if you diffuse the light with matte over it
I think that was her point

>>105928962
Easy if you follow these rules of thumb:
Buy a mature technology that doesn't have you worry about your investment all the time.
Buy a size that fits your desk and the performance of your GPU.
Buy 32" if 4k or 27" if 1440p.
Buy only what you can afford.

>>105929715
>>105929774
once you see a glossy screen with the clarity of an oled i don't think it is possible to go back to conventional monitors
it's like you're actually looking through a glass window into the game world that you are playing
matte just feels flat by comparison
(not actual buying advise)

>>105928962
>>105929833
mmm yummy oled tv for monitor yes yes me likey

>>105928354
> Compares an OC card with competition @stock
Oh come on, this is so cheesy!
Why not OC all cards to the max and compare then?

>>105929847
also more proof
that backs the clarity claim

Single ram stick beast is ready

>>105929914
buying 3 noctua fans for bottom intake for maybe 2-3 degrees c slightly better temps is crazy work

>>105929953
my wifes boyfriend got them for me

What are the best quiet 140mm fans I can buy that aren't Noctua expensive or temu tier quality?

Finally a techtuber with a sizeable audience is explaining to people what retards on this website have refused to accept for a year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HylcIjr2uQw

He's incapable of being succint so the gist of it is:
>If you're upgrading your monitor resolution to play modern vidya in the age of ML-based image reconstruction like DLSS/FSR4, you're better off just skipping 1440p and going directly to 4K.
>DLSS/FSR4 at 4K produces better quality AND better performance than anything 1440p gives you. 1080p to 4k with DLSS looks better than native 1440p while running better as well.
>4K monitors are cheaper than ever before so you don't have to sell a kidney. A Gigabyte M27UP is a 250$ 4K 160hz IPS monitor, if you don't have 250-300$ to spare then why are you upgrading resolution in the first place? OLEDs are still too expensive though.
>GPU comparisons are often done at native resolution with ultra settings to produce honest apples-to-apples comparisons between GPUs, but this isn't really indicative of how to best use a GPU in reality. Medium settings + upscaling to higher output resolutions produces better quality and better performance. Overfixating on resolution labels (e.g. "THIS IS A 1440P GPU.”) is a mistake in this day and age.

Which tech outlet or eceleb fag needs to explain this for you to be convinced?

>>105929914
I don't think you're supposed to daisy chain those 8 Pins on your GPU.

>>105930009
P14s? You'll need to control the 1000RPM buzz but otherwise they're solid. The lower-end BeQuiet and Noctua models would also do.

>>105930043
well obviously the one with dlss turned on will look better than taa at any normal resolution
1440p with dlss on quality is the best meta for price to performance right now

>>105930043
>Which tech outlet or eceleb fag needs to explain this for you to be convinced?
I don't get my opinions from Youtubers so they could all come out with videos agreeing tomorrow and I still wouldn't care.

>>105930057
Corsair pigtails are rated for 300w on the PSU side and 150w on each 6+2 connector

>>105929953
Already had them, and leaving the rear most slot empty looks ugly

>>105930043
no i will not buy latest crappy product to run latest crappy software just so i can play latest crappy games

>>105930043
Okay, now this guy is the real DLSS spammer.

>>105930043
>If you're upgrading your monitor resolution to play modern vidya in the age of ML-based image reconstruction like DLSS/FSR4, you're better off just skipping 1440p and going directly to 4K.
Don't think he said anything like that, he was just showing that it's viable.

>>105930009
Arctic P14 PWM PST Value Pack of five, or
beQuiet! Pure Wings 3, less noisy but also less effective. You get what you hear.

>>105929914
And this time you managed to install the fans blowing in the right direction, congrats!

>>105930200
He didn't say it outright but if you can put 2 and 2 together it's the obvious outcome isn't it?
You could pay 150-200$ to go from let's say 1080p to 1440p, or you can pay 250-300$ (or more if you want?) to go from 1080p to 4K and harness a software trick that gives you both better visual quality and better performance than what 1440p would give you. Choice seems clear.

>>105930248
I'm not buying a 4K OLED monitor with only a DisplayHDR True Black 400 cert; the bare minimum is TB600.
1000 preferred.

>>105930009
If you can wait a few more weeks the Arctic P14 Pros should be available soon.

>>105929661
>>105929676
Thanks, one last question, if I want to use the hub, should I connect the ARGB from the IO directly to the MB on ARGB1 and the hub to ARGB2, or it doesnt matter and I just use hub like in the pic

>>105930248
He also says that 1440p is the sweet spot and that not everyone should go out and get a 4k screen.
>better performance
It'll literally perform worse with a fixed cost that increases the further down the gpu stack you go.
>better visual quality
Subjective. As good as dlss is lets not pretend it's perfect, dlaa is hard to beat in terms of artifacts

>>105930269
TB500 is coming out this year on the 500hz 1440p lineup which is a slight improvement which should also give around ~560nits peak with around ~300nits of full screen sustained brightness.

>>105930269
TB500 is coming out this year on the 500hz 1440p lineup, it should be around ~560nits peak with around ~300nits of full screen sustained brightness.

1440p still looks perfectly good to me
4k just seems like a ploy to make people buy 80/90 series cards every generation

>>105930346
>Subjective.
Hardly. 4K DLSS Perf just looks better than 1440p DLAA. If you have a 4K panel you can test this yourself and see it.

>>105930418
You don't need 80/90 cards. I play at 4k with a 4070, admittedly with DLSS and my average game's age is closer to 2020 than to 2025.

dlaa is a nice and clean image
any form of upscaling just introduces artifacts and other weirdness

>>105930484
>dlaa is a nice and clean image
Which one of these is DLAA and which one is performance mode of a higher resolution? Which one is cleaner?

>>105930521
the second one looks like it has a sharpness filter applied to it which makes it look uncanny

>>105930452
I have, would say 1080p dlaa is better in a lot of ways than 4k performance. With cnn it was a little bit blurred in performance, and transformer there was an ass load of ghosting

>>105930561
They both have the same amount of sharpness applied. The second one also looks cleaner and stabler, look at the fences or trees or the lines of the windows.

>>105930561
You are correct, transformer sharpens the shit out of everything by default in like every game

>>105924942 (OP)
I built my first pc and nothing happens when I turn it on, i've spent like 3 hours making sure everything okay. Is my motherboard dead? What do I do from here? Can I reuse the CPU/GPU/RAM on a new build or is it all dead? For refunds, I bought it from newegg. Is it possible to get a refund? I was very careful I don't think it's my fault this happened. I spent $800 on this thing man. That could've been rent. Im about to cry.

who do i even believe anymore, the amdpoojeets or the dlssperg>?

>>105930043
I wonder how the oled monitors fare with the inevitable dead pixels
I checked some 4k oled tv and the edges were absolutely littered with dead pixels, and they're more visible at monitor distances

>>105930644
I'm not that particular DLSS sperg. I shill for FSR4 also and don't recommend Nvidia while the RX9070XT exists, and I post webms.

>>105930580
>I have, would say 1080p dlaa is better in a lot of ways than 4k performance.
Here's 1080p DLAA...

>>105930668
vs 4K DLSS Performance. Which one do anons think looks better?

>>105930637
Get a refund on the PSU, motherboard, CPU, and memory module at the very least.
You've already spent three hours trying to solve the problem.

>>105930637
Are you sure you checked the switches on your PSU?

>>105930452
You mean a 1440p monitor and a 4k monitor, right? You aren't just stretching 1440p across a 4k monitor and pretending that's what it looks like on a 1440p display are you?

how do you guys clean your monitor(s)
there seems to be a million different ways with half of them sounding like they're really good ways to ruin your monitor

>>105930773
Ammonia and a rag

>>105930773
I have a monitor cleaning agent spray bottle
you cant allow moisture to drip on a monitor since it can short it so you just wet a microfiber cloth, spray the cleaning agent on it and gently scrub it, wash the cloth and clean the residues

>>105930668
>I shill for FSR4 also and don't recommend Nvidia while the RX9070XT exists
By paying for a 5090 performance that does not exist at the same price tier as a 9070xt for the coming 4 years minimum aka 1,7x-2x performance increase, you are effectively living 4 years into the future, paying for 4 years performance in advance, we know that performance has stagnated, in 4 years time you will pay 9070 xt msrp for 5090 performance, nothing would have changed, would have been waiting 4 years to pay the same amount have been worth it at that time? you just lost 4 years of your life and were not living 4 years in the future, all for this
buying a 5090 is effectively time travel

>>105930665
monitors are driven way less harder than tvs, but we will see, also there is the question if this was LGs fuck up due to some manufacturing due to it mostly occuring along the edges of a display or not, many if's at this state

>>105930084
price performance is dead, burgerflipping into paypigging into timetravel is the new meta for a hot minute
since 90 series increases, stays or at worst lose minimum amounts of money (unheard of for electronics)
if you have the money there is no other strat that is better

>>105930043
I've said that native have been dead for a while now, the only benefit is if you want more hz obviously
buying native res panels to match with your native res is some prehistoric level cope shit

>>105929847
I have seen it I also went back, but I also vomited doing so, we will make another try soon enough

>>105929833
>easy
it's not, since you get cucked by bad hardware and software on all ends driving you insane, then you have to battle other issues too
>Buy a mature technology that doesn't have you worry about your investment all the time.
sounds like you are shilling for lcd, but it looks like ass

>>105929850
65 would 100% require a wall or stand mount on a desk it would just be insane

>>105930686
Thanks, the PSU is the only thing i'm sure works though. I was planning to take it to micro center so they can diagnose what works and what doesn't for future use. Is that a good idea? I have all the boxes so I can RMA everything. Thanks anon
>>105930706
That was the first thing I checked.

>>105930773
microfiber cloth and water, not even distilled unless your water is hard and full of minerals is all you need
if you ejaculated on your qdoled glossy display to the point it's full of fat residue and it does not get removed you might need to incorporate more esoteric methods like small amounts of ethyl/ethanol acohol and water mixture or whatever they recommend (I cannot verify)
99% of case all you need is water+microfiber
and if you fuck up your qdoled monitor to the point it's scratched up and destroyed to the point the antireflection layer is beyond saving you can fall back to the wet paper method and let it soak and just peel off the entire layer (does not work on woled because the polarizer layer and the outer layer coating is fused or some shit and will break your display)

tdlr microfiber+water

>105924757
>expedition 33
theres literally one nigger bragging about playing that dogshit game here (the pedonigger)
why are you pretending to be someone else

>>105930898
>>105924757
something ate my quote

>>105930737
>You aren't just stretching 1440p across a 4k monitor and pretending that's what it looks like on a 1440p display are you?
A 1440p DLAA render is the same one no matter what the physical size of the monitor is. It may look cleaner on a native 1440p display simply because those displays are usually smaller than 4k displays so the pixels are more densely packed, making imperfections harder to see. But if you take a 4k monitor and set it to 1440p output, it'll render that same 1440p DLAA image. It’s like printing the same old photograph in two sizes: the smaller one hides grain better, but the image itself hasn’t changed.

And you don’t need to rely on stretching or shrinking to see the quality differences. I’ve got a 27-inch 1440p and a 27-inch 4K monitor side by side right now, 4K DLSS Performance looks better to the naked eye as well as in tests. If you want objective proof just crop the same quadrants of both images and compare them side by side on the same monitor. Makes no difference whether it's in their original sizes or equalized sizes, one will look better than the other.

Point is: if you're looking for the most efficient way to get max performance for max image quality, you're better off upscaling to higher resolutions with FSR4 or DLSS instead of sticking to native lower resolutions.

>>105930997
>you're better off upscaling to higher resolutions with FSR4 or DLSS instead of sticking to native lower resolutions.
thats been the case since dlss 2.0 came out with ampere

>>105930997
4k isn't a physical size, its a resolution
1440p DLAA is taking 1440p, upscaling it using DLSS, then displaying it at 1440p. If you're using a 4k monitor there is an additional scaling step to display it at 4k

>>105931045
>thats been the case since dlss 2.0 came out with ampere
I know. Which was almost five years ago, so it's weird to see people still not getting this even if you spoonfeed them with evidence.

doing my fist ever pc build. Holy shit this is scary. But I think I've got it down.

Besides ramming shit in too hard or wrong, what are some major points of failure? I'm really worried about shorting everything out.

are sata ssds no longer being developed? only see 870 evo samsung ssds

>>105930844
>I have all the boxes so I can RMA everything
If you can get a refund on all those parts, get your money back.
RMA is a tedious process.

>>105931228
shorting things out is pretty bad, the mobo can have a part fail. so Id red use a hard wooden surface that doesnt generate static electricity instead of wool stuff or something

some guys managed to ruin their pc by not installing a cpu cooler but that seems unlikely these days
AMD cpu pins were a usual failure point, not relevant on am5. Installing cpu wrong way around is probably the easiest thing to fuck up. Another cpu related issue is mobo bios needing to support it which was common on am4, you needed to update the bios before installing a cpu.
some people may ruin things by using aftermarket psu cables that aren compatible

>>105930844
>>105931248
Protip: buy the microcenter replacement plan and then short shit out yourself when you want a new one. They give you store credit of 100% of the purchase price up to 2 years later. It's worth the fee to get a new gpu in 2 years

>>105930916
First of all, I'm not that guy.
Second, I cited that game in response to the launch day benchmark comments in >>105924682
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/clair-obscur-expedition-33-performance-benchmark/8.html
The game's had well over 300 bug fixes since release.

I think I fucked up my Noctua U12A. It was dirty and had finger prints on the front of it so I decided to clean it with some rubbing alcohol but that just made it worse and I think I ruined the finish and it looks like shit now. Any ideas before I buy a chromax cover to stick over it?

>>105931372
its inside your pc and you dont look at it so it doesnt matter

the itx tax is no joke

>>105931228
I feel realistically you'd have to try pretty hard or be a total slob to ruin anything

>>105931398
I have a glass panel and it's very visible.

>>105931439
move the pc under the desk so it stops distracting you from you know, using the pc

>>105931448
Then it will get dusty.

>>105931452
vacuum the floor a bit

The cpu is in boys. And as far as I can tell, it's in right.

>>105931489
*moans*

>>105931495
wut?

>>105931552
with the propagation of ai tools 4chan has been filled with shitposting in 2025 thats meant to frustrate and anger you due to inability to have meaningful discussions on the english internet

Someone correct me if I'm wrong - The stock GPU and VRAM clock speed for the 7900 XTX (founders edition) is 2500Mhz correct?

Asking because I'm pretty sure my 7900 XTX out of the box since I bought it last October has been running wacky fucking specs for some reason - 3020Mhz GPU boost clock but limited to 290W power. The VRAM clock specifically looks like it was correct at 2500Mhz.
Started getting more system crashes a few months ago, kernel shits out saying GPU error, definitely thinking it has something to do with this. Picrel is current settings in LACT which as far as I know should be stock.

>>105931601
Rangeban india and ban all emigration

>>105931622
>Asking because I'm pretty sure my 7900 XTX out of the box since I bought it last October has been running wacky fucking specs for some reason - 3020Mhz GPU boost clock but limited to 290W power. The VRAM clock specifically looks like it was correct at 2500Mhz.
That's just how modern GPUs run; they'll boost as high as the thermal & power limits allow them to.
Can't help you with the crashes unfort.

Are used RTX 3090 really that bad?

>>105931695
The 9070xt is more powerful for gaming than a base 3090. Unless you're coomgenning just get one of those if you can find it in the $600s

>>105931601
relax retard i just thought it was funny to say *moans* after he talked about being satisfied wit how his CPU is in, it's a sex joke
dumb fuck

>>105931715
>Unless you're coomgenning
I'm translating with LLama, yes.

>>105930043
>Medium settings + upscaling to higher output resolutions produces better quality and better performance
>Medium settings
Retarded. 9070 XT can run cyberpunk 2077 with pathtracing at 1440p and get 50-60 fps with quality fsr4. This is not possible at 4k. I would rather play 1440p with better lighting and effects than have a bit sharper image. The difference in quality between 1440p and 4k is not as noticeable as 1080p for 1440p. 4k is not worth it unless you are a whale and are buying the nvidia Flagship every two years to maintain acceptable performance in the latest games. 1440p is better for 90% of people.
>>105930476
Oh so its you dlss faggot. Still coping and larping that your 4070 can run 4k well with dlss magic. KYS

>>105931695
Nurse it with an undervolt & power limit (around 280W), you should be fine without losing much performance (if any).
3090s running at stock settings are running on borrowed time.

>>105924942 (OP)
>Budget: SN5000, SN7100
>High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
>Premium: SN8100
Is there are difference between these for gaming?

>>105931781
>9070 XT can run cyberpunk 2077 with pathtracing at 1440p and get 50-60 fps with quality fsr4.
It can also run pathracing at 4K FSR4 Performance mode with similar FPS to 1440p Quality but with substantially better image quality.

>>105931801
Not really, the SN7100 should be good enough.
There's a bit of gap between the SN5000 and SN7100 in 3DMark Storage bench.
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/11109/lexar-nm1090-pro-2tb-ssd-super-fast-efficient/index.html
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/10783/western-digital-wd-blue-sn5000-4tb-ssd-high-capacity-low-power-and-powerful/index.html

>>105931801
these days you want to get a mobo with pcie 5 m.2 nvme support like b850 and get a samsung 9100

Cable management is hard bros.

>>105931917
making functional cable management that isnt extremely aesthetic is easy with how modern cases are designed, you just put a cable in and pull it to the hidden side as far as it goes and tie it down

having actually pretty aftermarket stuff might be hard but who cares

>>105924942 (OP)
>unhandy mounting solution
retard here what did you mean by this?

>>105932034
a guy in previous thread complained about mounting it

>>105931695
Depends on the model. Custom PCB models like the strix, suprim, kingpin and HOF will be pretty reliable. Those using the reference Nvidia vrms like gigabyte's entire lineup and evga's ftw3 are less reliable.

>>105932034
There's a vocal group of customers complaining about the annoying mounting process.
Video shows Intel & AMD board installation.
https://youtu.be/zfffNRTOZCc?t=1144

You should make sure your motherboard and case can comfortably fit that AIO.

Link to the board compatibility list.
https://support.arctic.de/lf3-compatibility

I love my 5090.

>>105931232
Yeah it's a dead end technology tree

>>105932058
Strix isn't safe either. Suprim has a lower chance of safety (VRM is basically the same as the mid-tier Gaming Trio's).
Maybe the Galax HOF is safe.
Plenty of accounts of dead 3090 Strixes, and it's considered one of the best 3090s you can get in Western countries.

>>105931232
TOTALLY DEAD
I wanted some for prime day - non except chinese trash was on sale and they were all more expensive than equivalent brand name NVME SSDs

So I thought okay let me pick up some 2TB MX500s and then find out Crucial have discontinued the ENTIRE SERIES - only slowass worst in class BX500 is left

I''m gonna have to get some of those overpriced 870 EVOs and hope they have no issues. It's over for the SATA SSDs which is a damn shame.

>>105931232
What I wonder is whether they're going to come up with a new standard to replace some of these legacy ports. SATA IV or SATA v2.0. Perhaps it or some new standard that lets it connect to an internal NVME enclosure without too much loss of performance, maybe its an enclosure meant to fit in an HDD bay. Leave at least two legacy ports for backwards compatibility.

>>105932349
They will just remove them all
Everything is moving towards being 100% PCIe based

>>105931801
Nyo
You don't need DRAM for gaming purposes either. Get a modest capacity with DRAM for your main drive, rest can be whatever. None of the read speed differences are going to affect your loading of assets in a game. If anything I wish all games with loading screens have an option for manual dismissal of the screen, otherwise you can't read anything before its gone.

>>105932366
Then they should put a PCIe port there which can then accept a cable which leads into the rear of the case. Alternatively a back connect port for this purpose becomes standard.

>>105930043
he's a pleb, he's making an efficiency argument when 4k can't maintain decent framerates unless you fuck around with DLSS/FSR. I play plenty of games that use neither and have no interest in paying the Njudean tax for their upscaler.

Also 4k still isn't compatible with multiple apps where the text wont scale up past microscopic. its a user-unfriendly resolution.

It seems like Ram and PSU's have gone up considerably in the past month or two... I can't find a 850w power supply that isn't garbage for less than 100 dollars now or 32GB 6000 CL30 for less than 90

>>105930825
>By paying for a 5090 performance that does not exist at the same price tier as a 9070xt for the coming 4 years minimum aka 1,7x-2x performance increase, you are effectively living 4 years into the future, paying for 4 years performance in advance, we know that performance has stagnated, in 4 years time you will pay 9070 xt msrp for 5090 performance, nothing would have changed, would have been waiting 4 years to pay the same amount have been worth it at that time? you just lost 4 years of your life and were not living 4 years in the future, all for this
>buying a 5090 is effectively time travel

You're the kind of moron that buys an overpriced electric car on a payment plan, spams your social media feed bragging about it, then whines when it gets written off by some retarded soccermom 2 months later and your insurance cucks you on the payout so you're still in debt post-write-off. Do you shill for Jensen directly?

>>105932471
>It seems like Ram and PSU's have gone up considerably in the past month or two
nah bro, more like last 2-3 years. Why are you complaining about psu's tho? they're among the cheaper pc components. Ram has inflated though.

>>105932457
Most people dont suffer from same issues as you and to them its merely a question of can one afford a high end nvidia gpu.
If yes = dlss transformer model from 1080p and have fun

if not, stick to 1440p and dont worry about it. Maybe buy one of those 500hz monitors to have higher fluidity than 4k monitors.

ayy its literally him, word by word
>this dude i aprrove is good and the law because it makes my shit card look good
>everyone else is amded shill therefore trolling or shitposting

>>105932485
People who buy 5090s tend to have more money than you?
Its mostly a point about general silicon stagnation, you buy for high end gpu now it'll stay high end forever because the prices arent going down.
If you dont and you buy a high end gpu 5 years from now you didnt save any money and you lost 5 years of not using a high end gpu.

>>105930043
Or you can stick with 1440p in order to transfer the power of a newer GPU towards more frames instead. Reaching 90+ native with modern AAAs at 4k is not easy and often not doable without lowering settings. Framegen can take it the rest of the way but getting a good baseline is easier with 1440p.

Why is WCCFtech comment sections so... general? It doesn't seem like it's mistakenly loading comments from multiple unrelated articles. Only 1/3rd of comments is ever about the article in question, the rest is often other political topics. No other tech space is like this.

>>105932545
Its a known fact that russian troll factories have engaged in making fake spam accounts on every english forum and comments section to push their hybrid war.

>>105931917
cable management is reddit

>>105932457
4K works great on my 5090 and 4K OLED, this just sounds like poorgroid sour grapes cope

>>105931917
it's hard only if you buy cheap case and/or psu
last time i got corsair semi modular psu with hard as fuck cables and a cheap lian li case, both were a pain

This thermalright cpu fan is so loud bros. Had this thing in a console style case but I moved it to this one without changing the cooler. Should I try to fit a 25mm fan instead of the slim one or just get a bigger cooler? I have a 140mm intake fan pointed at the CPU on the side panel.

>>105932605
what if you go to bios and set the fan curve to be 10% slower at max rpm

“top AIO set to intake is bad” is a reddit meme

>>105932549
>on every english forum and comments section
>No other tech space is like this.

>>105932620
some sites moderate comments so a news piece about silicon doesn't have discussion about racial division in usa

>>105932618
>AIO is bad
Fixed that for you. You don't need water cooling.
Running 7800x3d on air

>>105932617
Oh right thanks. Guess I can have the 140 run faster and the 92 slower.

>>105930009
I bought a momentum 14 because of the OP. I like it. $20 instead of the $45 a14x26 g2. It's pretty silent but I've only bought it today.

>>105932661
I prefer the aesthetics of an AIO

>>105932661
>AIO is good
Fixed that for you. You need water cooling.
Marathoning 9800x3d on water

It is finished. After nearly a year of planning this, the PC is built. I got everything all together and I got linux installed. The only big hiccup I had was that I bent the pins on the port that connects to the front usb ports and I had to take everything apart to unfuck that. I do think going for micro atx for my first build was maybe a bad idea, but it's done now and everything seems to be working.

I'll get some everything transfered and downloaded tomorrow. Also while I was in the BIOS it was saying that the cpu was at 30c the whole time, so I need figure out some way to make sure the cpu is actually staying at the proper temp and not killing itself before I play any games.

Also my cpu came with a little sticker, do you guys think I should put it on the case?

>>105932749
Also the little plugs that control the power switch and lights for the power switch do not seem connected very well. They're these tiny little plugs connected to a giant thing. Is there a trick to make sure they stay in there well?

>>105932797
Those pins hang very loosely. Same thing with ARGB pins if you ever use those.

>>105932749
i fucked up my frontal audio and i cant be bothered to readjust it

>>105932822
surely you have an external dac amp

>>105932664
Happy for you, it looks nice too.

>>105932822
The front usb works, that's actually where I downloaded Linux from.

Also I should add that the cable management is fucky wucky but not abhorrent. In 7-10 years when I get a new pc I'll pay more attention to that.

The new Fractal Design Epoch case looks really good, was pretty set on doing a new rig with the North but now I'm conflicted

>>105932822
OH I forgot, I fucked up the frontal audio on my current pc by repeatedly standing up too fast with my headphones plugged in. i just use the back port now, and I'm more careful when I stand up.

>>105932905
>Fractal Design Epoch
>3 x 120/2x 140 mm (3 x 120 mm Momentum fans included)

Id wish the default it comes with is two 140mm fans

>>105924827
>>105924827
>>105924827

>>105932905
> No metal side panel, no 420 top rad possible, no 360 top rad possible, not even 280 top rad possible
Get the Meshify 3 XL instead if it has to be Fractal duster.

>>105932947
fake thread

>>105932947
>spent the entire day bumping his own thread
kwab

>>105932926
>>105932952
Never really messed around with anything besides stock fans for cooling, is that something I should be getting into?

>>105932839
no, im enjoying the stock realtek sound thru the back panel

All things being equal DLSS transformer model really pushes past the narrative that 4k isn't worth it because 1440p has so much higher fps

In practice the oled 4k's are so expensive you probably get a better experience within a reasonable budget buying a 360hz 1440p oled over a affordable 4k ips

As things stand you're looking to spend 2k € for the gpu and oled monitor together for the great 4k experience if you go with 5070 ti and an oled monitor.
5070 + a 1440p oled might cost you 1.3k €

>>105932973
> stock fans for cooling
Are terribly loud and ineffective. At least get a decent after market air cooler if not AIO watercooling.

Do any of you guys have any experience in getting partial discounts talking to customer support jeets? They sent me the regular pny 5070ti instead of the ayrgb version

AMD Nicotranny lost. Frogposter won.

>>105932973
A decent and silent air cooler is 25 bucks. Stock coolers just move around hot air inside the case and are trash.
Go for it.

>105933493
>samefagging about off topic trash
you both lost and need to kys

>>105924827
>>105924827
>>105924827

>>105933552
Nicotranny killed himself so I won. KYS tranny

>>105924991
The 5070 was supposed to have 18gb and the 5070ti was supposed to have 24gb already but samsung couldn't manufacture the 3gb vram modules in time so we got these cucked versions that are barely even an upgrade from the 4070s and 4070tis.

>>105925051
retarded shill nigger faggot alert

>>105925346
Oof, enjoy your dead socket I guess

whats the best nvidia gpu can I get for 300 USD? I will buy second hand from e-bay
main focus is ai ml scientific computation and then vidya gaming

>>105934504
The best you can find for 300 lmao. Here I can get something like 4060 8gb or 3060 12gb for those money. If you can find 2080 Ti 12gb or even GTX 1080 Ti 11gb for $300 - they would be faster for science shit and games than 3060. CUDA and LLM work for those cards but 10xx series will be abandoned by NVIDIA this year.

>>105924827
>>105924827
>>105924827

>>105934914
>>105933558
>>105932947
Not until you rename it to AMD general.

What is the best most stable NVIDIA driver version for 4060? I want CUDA too.