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Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series (especially X230, T440p and T480, those are the best pads for bucks) if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support
>Trackpoint (why the fuck wasn't this in the general before? that's the only reason to get a thinkpad in 2025 honestly)

ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40, T41, T42
>IBM/Lenovo Transition: T43, T60, T61 (T42 - T43: significant difference in specs)
>"Classic" Lenovo: T400, T410, T420 (T61 - T400: 4:3 to 16:10)
>Transition to old modern: T430, T440, T450 (T420 - T430: membrane to chiclet)
>Old modern: T460, T470, T480 (T450 - T460: significantly less thick)
>New modern: T490, T14g1, T14g2 (T480 - T490: design change)
>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/downloads.html
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/
https://canoeboot.org/docs/install/

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera
#/tpg/ on rizon

Finally considering getting a thinkpad
Should I get a T480 or a T14?

Hey I'm the OP of >>106061492

Just bought a T470 for 220 Euros, was it a good deal?

>>106062487
if you use it for more than 2 years, id say it was money well spent

This general is dead, stop making it.

>>106062463
I meant to have my T480 repaired as the T14 gen 1 to gen 4 have soldered rams and the T14 gen 5 is still too expensive. T480 also needs screen replacement as it comes with 250 nit trash.
But I'm looking at T14 (non S) now. Seems like the fsvored ones are Gen 2 and Gen 3 atm.

>>106062220 (OP)
you forgot the bottom text op

Can a Radeon 780m in a Thinkpad really get 8GB of dedicated memory?

>>106062519
Damn you might actually be right

>>106062519
>one of the oldest /g/ general bites the dust
thinkpad bros, not like this...

is many thinkpads i need? I think on buy two for personal my use.

>>106062220 (OP)
Is it normal for my T430 to be slow as shit with Fedora? Is it because of KDE or is it just the fact I need to replace the CPU? If I go for another more lightweight DE will that replace the problem? Or should I just switch distros again?

>>106063998
>>106064035
Did bros succumb to ewaste loving cattles? Or underwent HRT procedures?

>>106064093
no problems on my W530, check paste maybe?

>>106064093
it's kde, switch to a gtk desktop like xfce or lxde

>>106064093
LXQT if you want a KDE aesthetic in a lightweight DE.

>>106065527
>recommending DE using openbox WM
>last updated: 10 years ago
>random UI element on CEF apps don't work
Been there, done that.

>>106062220 (OP)

I just got a Thinkpad T480 in good shape on a $100 offer on ebay. It came with the 1080p screen, 8gb of ram, backlit keyboard, and no SSD which was okay because I got a 2TB WD Black drive from Wally world for $110. Body was in good shape with minimal wear. I put Libreboot on it over the weekend and installed Mint with no issues. I went kind of retard today and put 64gb of ram in it and memtest86 showed no errors.

Anyone know if I can run a second M.2 drive in the WWAN slot if I have one in the caddy already? I'm not sure if it supports two simultaneously.

>>106063776
>
Yes, my 680m does.

>>106062487
>16, 512, 7th gen i5
>220€
Mama Mia!

>>106062487
>220 Euros
Unless you realy care about the power bridge gimmick, you could get a T14 Gen 2 instead

>>106066139
lxqt is not lxde, anon

looking to get a cell swap for my 9-cell, probably most retarded idea yet but eh, any particular good 18650 manufacturers and specs?

>>106067552
I used lxqt before and it's broken.

>>106064741
I'll try that if switching DEs still doesn't work. I wanted to open it up anyways because the refurbishing company did the strange choice of giving me a T420 battery, and I found a random fragment of plastic that was blocking the DVD player from being inserted, so I don't think the company that refurbished it did the best job they could've.

>>106065347
I'll do that, I already tried switching to another DE (TDE) before, but for some strange reason, it didn't work, it gave me a black screen when I tried switching. But maybe I'll have better luck with xfce or lxde instead.

>>106065527
Well truth be told, I wanted something that's a bit closer to TDE in aesthetics rather than KDE itself. I am actually not fond of KDE's default aesthetics. But I'll try this one too.

>>106062463
neither
getting anything newer than the *30 series is retarded
if you want a new-ish machine don't go for thinkpads

I need a laptop for studying IT, sysadmin network etc. What should i buy? I’m broke

I've recently started refurbishing my t450 I got for free from my old job. So far I've only replaced the screen with an IPS cause the original was atrocious.
Anyway, thinking of adding a second ssd in the wwan m.2 slot. What else should I do while its open, cause I want to avoid tinkering too many times, lest a screw goes missing?

>>106066809
You can. It has to be NVMe and either 2242 B+M key or 2230 with a B+M key adapter. I think the only model where WWAN SSD support depended on the choice of main SSD was T460p.

>>106070012
macbook air

>>106070012
T430, T440p, T450 or later should be enough. T460p or X260 if you need more than 16 GB RAM.

>>106072454
Can the t450 upgrade to more than 16gb?

>>106070579
Is the t450 wwan slot for the B+M key or the single key? I can't seem to find reliable info

>>106062220 (OP)
Like a month ago, I spilled vodka on my T480. It still works but the keyboard, the upper button of the touchpad (and the touchpad sometimes, depend on the os), and the trackpoint don't work anymore. The keyboard seem easy to replace but is the rest replaceable ? Just asking if there's hope for not being scammed and if my 2IQ and almost inexistent fine motor skills can repair it

>>106062220 (OP)
I have a T14 Gen 1 (AMD). The trackpoint works flawlessly on Linux and mostly fine on Win11 with the generic PS/2 driver (but with inferior scrolling behavior). As soon as I install the Synaptics driver, I get severe, random cursor stutter--trackpad is fine, only the trackpoint is fugged.

Tried older Synaptics drivers, didn't help. Found some threads about AMD drivers causing cursor stutter, but it affected both inputs, not just trackpoint. Thinking of trying Win10 LTSC but I doubt it'll help. Worth noting that I replaced the trackpad (with an X1C trackpad) and keyboard with AliExpress parts. However, the keyboard (I think it's a Chicony) was from a reputable vendor and I haven't found a single review or post having the same issue as me.

>>106073321
Update: problem also occurs on Win 10 IoT LTSC. RIP. My best guess is that I got chink'd on the keyboard, so Linux it is until I can get an OEM one.

Why does no one recommend ryzen thinkpads? The ones with the 5500U look nice. Maybe not as durable, but certainly it is a capable chip.

Chat help me out
I got a T14s Gen 3 from ebay, overall works great but the right trackpoint button is sticking sometimes, getting stuck in the pressed position until I put a bit more force on it. Is this a common issue on the nupads? How can I fix it?

>>106075046
People generally prefer them here. The battery life is slightly worse vs Intel but that's the only downside I'm aware of. You need to plan for more RAM because the AMD iGPU will reserve more system RAM, but it's more performant. I guess it depends on your use case.

Did Lenovo gyp people on the magnesium or aluminum for some ryzen models?

>>106075173
Have you popped the button off and cleaned the soda syrup underneath with IPA?

>>106075173
You need to loosen the screws holding the touchpad enough that you can shift it slightly away from that corner, then retighten the screws.

>>106075046
Any Ryzen chips older than the 6000 series are shit.

>>106072702
16GB (2x8GB) is the practical max. It can take 32 (2x16) but the memory would cost 2x as much as the laptop itself is worth.

WWAN slot is B+M key SATA.

>>106076939
Thanks anon

>>106072927
I'd replace just the keyboard first since a broken trackpoint can interfere with a working touchpad. The mouse buttons are part of the keyboard too.

If you do have to replace the touchpad, you can do it by unscrewing four screws covered by the internal battery. You can use touchpads listed for other models too, such as E480-E490, L480-L14G2, T470-T14G2, P1G1-G2.

T490 is the best for me

i7 8th gen, hot, but my i just use firefox and YT)
16 gb of RAM, more than enough for mi
512 gb of ssd, in the future it will be upgrade to a 1TB but still enough for me

Screen OK!!
Keboard, trackpad, mousepad, trackpoint, speed of ports and type C more than ok!!

All that said, why i feel that i need more? i dont feel complete or satisfied

i was thinking on a L14 Gen 4 with the Ryzen 5 pro but i think it will be the same

bump

>>106078182
Why T490? T14 Gen 2 is the same chassis, but can be had with AMD which runs cooler, lasts 2x as long in battery and has a better GPU. And doesn't suffer from USB-C controller dying like the t490.

Why do people recommend t14 instead of t16 isn't 14 inch display super small

>>106080512
small bezel means bigger screen estate.
14 inch laptop screen can be bigger than 16 inch laptop screen from 20 years ago.

>>106080512
Offset keyboards are horrible for portability

>>106080527
Didn't think bezels are counted in when measuring display size, are you sure that's how it works
For the overall size the dimensions are listed too often on laptops

>>106080512
T16 has an offset keyboard which fucking sucks.

>>106080512
>isn't 14 inch display super small
Hey cute sexy anime girl, show that pussy.

I had both with 1600p screens. I used them at the same scaling so the screen real estate was no different.

>>106080512
>16" laptops
Are you fat and/or a woman?

>>106080854
Well it will be sort of a workstation too...
>>106080752
Haven't heard about this before, what are the implications?

>>106080854
Not that guy but my vision is shit so I got a 14 inch laptop and ended up fucking my back because I was constantly hunching over to get closer to the screen

>>106080512
it's a fcuking laptop it's not meant to be you main machine unless you plan on using it with a docking station
even 16 inch laptops are small as fuck compared to normal computers

Is it easy to replace the keyboard? Or should I just put stickers on the keys

>>106082432
Depends on the model. T-series (non-s) and L-series are easy, others are a mixed bag.

why is the ultrabase 3 so hard to find uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Need help finding a laptop that would fit these requirements: 32 GB RAM (can be soldered), decent 4core CPU, 16 inch display, no need for dedicated GPU, don't need storage above 512gb, AND has to be below or around a $1000 bucks. What can I get or which series do i start looking for?

>>106079894
What's the consensus bet t14 gen 2 and 3 besides g2 being cheaper? And is amd the choice for both models?

>>106083134
used gayming laptop unironically

>>106083098
ok I bought one from france for pretty cheap

>>106083134
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadl/lenovo-thinkpad-l16-gen-2-16-inch-amd/21sc0019us

fork out the difference

>>106083188
t14 gen 3 has shit keyboard with less travel compared to gen 2, also less repairable and upgradeable.

>>106083188
>>106083618
Also SD slot and mechanical docking port are gone, and the AMD version is essentially MacBook tier with fully soldered RAM

>>106085433
>and mechanical docking port are gone
What's the point of that? The dock station with an optical drive isn't compatible with t14 g2 anyway.

>>106063998
nvm you were wrong>>106062519

>>106083134
T16 G2/G3 or L16, like >>106083346 Anon suggested.
If you don't need the numpad, I think your only option is the Z16

>>106085926
>>106083346

How does this T16 G3 Intel look? Its cheaper than the L16 link sent by first anon, from what I understand isn't the T line better quality than the L line? is the cheaper price because of the weaker chip, intel in the T16 vs the AMD in the L16?

https://ebay.us/m/4M8LTP

>>106075173
>overall works great but the right trackpoint button is sticking sometimes
sorry, ebay seller here. i cummed on it one too many times. no refunds, sorry

>>106083134
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>>106086904
kek gottem

>>106085697
Mostly how cheap they are (I got mine for free)

>saved three L480's from recycling at work, planning to give them to friends
>hmm, seems like an 2242 SSD would fit?
>jam the fucker in the WWAN slot after filing it out with tweezer because the SSD would NOT fit
>power indicator lights up, nothing else happens, not even the fan is spinning up
guess I'm down to two L480's and I'm never trying that again

what's the most modern thinkpad i should get that won't destroy my wallet? i'm doing audio post and music production professionally but don't want to get a macbook - the laptop is going to be a travelling solution to a stationary pc. preferrably upgradeable

which one is best bang/buck
t480, t14 g1, t14 g2
also what cpu? i'm reading ryzen is supposedly better but it's like $50-$100 more expensive

>>106089731
Ryzen is strictly better in T14 G2 and better in all but battery life in G1. Just get the newest one you can afford, unless you need over 5h of battery (in which case avoid T14G1) or support for two SSDs (avoid T14G2)

>>106089548
With a steady enough hand you can cut the key out of the slot to make the 2242 SSD fit (and work). Or if you have a dead Ex80/Ex90, you can take the SATA ribbon cable from it and carefully unglue and straighten the folds to reuse it in the L480.

>>106080512
Too big, my screen is 12 inch!

>>106083134
In my O52 you can fit 128gb of qyad ch ram, over 20 TB of storage, it's huge and it has practically a desktop 12 thread cpu, also has gayman gpu. I paid 300 dollarinos.

>>106089731
T14s Gen 1 or T14 Gen 2. Those are the last true thinkpads™.

>>106090645
I think i fucked something up widening the wider side of the slot.
Whole machine is just completely dead apart from the power led coming on

>>106091174
Yeeup, that might have aligned the slot's supply pins to the card's ground pins and vice versa

>>106091217
you recon i got any chanche to revive the machine or should i just let it go and use it as a parts bin for the others

My dad bought me a Yoga 15 years ago, installed antiX on it, runs perfect. Still pretty bad processor though

>>106091174
>>106091217 (Me)
To be clear picrel is how you could make it work
>>106091237
Removing main and RTC batteries for a while might help, otherwise not much hope

>>106091291
I "filed" out red parts and left a bit of the key on the slot.
Why didn't I notice what something might be wrong if I have to flip over the SSD and force it into the slot?
Because the SSD was some chinese crap and I thought that it had to do with that.

Fuck me.

>>106091345

>>106086130
It's a bit overpriced, you can get a used 32GB 165H WUXGA T16 with the 86 Wh battery for less.

If you want a new machine buy the L16 or look for a better deal on the T16 G3.

What you guys think on a L14 Gen 4, amd R5 pro, 32gb of ram and 256gb of ssd? 450 euros

>>106091772
E and L series are just generic laptop with a thinkpad logo on it because they use only normal plastic as case material.
Nothing wrong with buying it, but L14 is entirely irrelevant to /tpg/.

>>106091345
>>106091291
I had the main battery removed since yesterday but only unplugged the RTC battery when I read your post two hours ago.

Tried turning the machine on for shits and giggles just now and it immediately lit up the keyboard and started playing those Lenovo diagnostic codes at me, installing RAM made it load into the BIOS.

Why the fuck did that work???

>>106091899
BIOS demon angry. Take nap, feel better.

>>106092242
I'll take this knowledge into my toolbox full of
>just try it, this'll probably fix it
Thank you very much, vou've helped me a lot and made the person who gets this laptop very happy

>>106083618
T14 Gen 3 is preferable because the keyboard is quieter than basically any other laptop keyboard.
But Lenovo listened to you fat fucking losers poorfags complaining and made the newer keyboards "better"/more tactile but now they're fucking louder.

T14 G3 AMD still to this day has the best battery life.

I like how the people that cried about soldered ram are now also crying about the worse battery life in the new models that brought back socketed ram.

>>106089711
I also want to know modern thinkpad recs; I've been frankensteining my babyduck win7 2013 T530 through the years, but finally feeling my back against the wall.

But like - all the lenovo options right now seem to be copilot+ AI CPUs, ugly tumorous camera on top, soldered ram monstrosities. I just want a nice square piece of windows mundanity I can keep slapping new keyboards, batteries and ram sticks into for another decade without having to deal with a single batch 7zip job running in the backround bringing every modern browser to its knees

>>106062220 (OP)
Which thinkpad should I get if I would preferably have 2-3 of them at a reasonable price, and it needs to have the ability to playback up to 4k video.
I plan to download as much stuff as I can before the crackdowns and I would need some fully offline, reliable devices to play them back in the future to come.

The sweat faint chemicle smell coming off my chonkpad isn't harmful is it? I hear it's a common issue, so I imagine not. Anyone else have experience with stinkpads?

>>106091899
I don't remember what component does this but it's common for PCs to "protect themselves" and not turn on after a short somewhere, then magically work again after not receiving power for a while
>>106089711
"won't destroy my wallet" doesn't mean anything, how much do you want to spend?

i like my t60 with a 14" 4:3 screen. the only question is which is better: 1400x1050 or 1024x768. what do you guys think?

HI, is there a thinkpad comparable to these specs out of the box?

my t440p mobo probably shit the bed, and i need a laptop with better cpu anyway. what is the spiritual successor to the t440p? i like that it was fat packed with shit vga connector and dvd drive. don't care about lightweight or screen size.

>>106094015
a brand new T series thinkpad will always been preferable because of battery availability.
Only Framework provides permanent access to battery as a spare part to buy.

>>106062220 (OP)
I got a t420 for 35 bucks, did I get a steal or is this ok? I do plan on getting a cpu, ram, and new screen for it since I want to upgrade a laptop for the sake of the fun.

>>106068571
Why not? Aren't they good laptops?

The refurbished T470 I ordered came with a shitty 24 mhw battery that is already degraded. Any reccomendations on compatible batteries for replacments?

>>106097598
nah you're fucked

Hey guys I'm looking for a Thinkpad for gaming when I'm traveling. I've owned so many models (T60, T61,T420, X220, L15), and I am wanting to get a Thinkpad between $300-400USD that can handle Pubg low graphics at 100+FPS. I've seen some of the T15g for 500-600 with A2000 and rtx2070. Any other models I should consider?

>>106098896
P53 maybe
Good luck getting one with a decent dgpu.

the keyboard on my t430 is falling apart. is the t420 keyboard replacement a meme or is it actually better? i dont use the keyboard backlight so that isnt an issue for me

>>106099324
I personally think the difference is marginal, but still noticeable. Be aware you may get different results with random chink keyboards, branded "Lenovo". There's an autist that can tell you what the best manufacturer is for that particular FRU if you're going genuine.

source: X230 with genuine X220 keyboard replacement (great quality, crisp key actuation). That one died after ~8 years of heavy use, replaced with AliExpress "Lenovo" X220 keyboard (mushy but functional, not impressed).

>>106099466
whats the price range for the quality ones?

>>106099544
I wouldn't know anymore. I doubt Lenovo even sells them direct in 2025. You'd probably have to find a legit scrapper/recycler on eBay and get one used. I wouldn't trust any of these /csg/ stores to have any genuine products unless you pored over images of genuine ones and compared to product pics on their site - and then actually got what was pictured. I can tell you the AE one I got, the scissor switches and keycaps weren't even the same/interchangeable. Unexpected but not really surprising. Of course, I was going for cheap. I just needed a keyboard that worked. Both the original X230 keyboard and the original X220 swap I had were shot and I was limping it along without putting a bunch more money into it.

>>106099324
the "classic" keyboard looks way better

>2nd time in 3 months laptop failed to wake from sleep, had to do the emergency reset pinhole button thing
What causes this? Is it a Windows 11 thing, or a deeper hardware thing? Because if it's a W11 thing, I think I might finally be ready to switch to Linux. I can't keep dealing with shit like this.

>>106099780
does it feel better to type on though?

>>106099820
could it be a broken sleep sensor?
recently my laptop started going back to sleep a couple seconds after i open it back up and im wondering if its a hardware or software issue and if anyone else has had this. its not a huge problem right now but its a bit annoying

>>106062463
Got a T14 g1 last week for around $175
I'm enjoying it so far

>>106099780
Man, I wish that guy who was in charge of Thinkpad 25 come back and make Thinkpad 35.
I don't mind paying $2000 just to have one.

>>106062220 (OP)
hi guys. what do you have in your express card slots?

>>106093993
Look into the T480
But you can probably get a 32gb T14G2 and save yourself the RAM Upgrade.
Maybe get a P53, if you're ok with the off-center keyboard and weight.

>>106097598
Send it back ffs.
Refurb gypsies have no shame...

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>>106094834
No replies... So has no-one else here had this?

Well my T450 won't even turn on. Not going to buy from anywhere other than ebay ever again. Amazon scams you and gives you wrong models, walmart scams you and gives you WAY wrontg models. PC Liquidations gives you computers that don't even work.

>>106105130
Nevermind it turned on. I mess with plugs and the charger and it werked. Next step, it booting in less than 20 minutes.

>>106105223
Solid 4 minutes so far, and counting. I've progressed to a black screen from the windows 10 boot logo.

>>106105279
We have progressed to post sign in black screen OwO

>>106105320
We are on a blank home screen.

>>106105279
>>106105320
How is this even possible

>>106105381
I have no idea. I don't know what's up with this thing but to even boot it up months ago I had to install a fresh copy of windows 10. Now, I attempt to load google!

>>106105398
Ah yes, it is now that I remember that it also has no detected audio output device installed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4t7-DEx1-w

I may very well just have to can this scamputer. I don't know if it even has audio hardware installed. I've never use a slower loading computer in my life.

I guess I should have known my Calculus and occult knowledge before I fell for the thinkpad meme. R.I.P. thinkpad.

Which one would you pick?
Prices are in MXN

>>106105478
Might be some dickhead fumbled with the audio jack and it's bent/shorted. Does it think there's something plugged in? You might manually try switching to speaker output. Or try a Bluetooth headset just to test.

>>106099324
cute waifu what's her name

>>106105734
I'm fairly certain it isn't that. The little audio thing on windows in the taskbar says no audio device detected, and when I've looked for audio drivers I think there weren't any. I would check again but the thing is so slow and deficient in other ways that it's probably just not worth keeping anyways, and I packed it back up, google wouldn't even open. I think I might look into selling it.

>>106107144
Fair enough. My next step would have been to check the BIOS to make sure it wasn't disabled there. And speaking of BIOS, do a bios update. Sometimes that can solve startup problems.

>>106105659
Take the cheaper one unless its screen is HD and the expensive one has FHD. i5 vs i7 is negligible if you don't do the dual heatpipe upgrade and you could upgrade from 8 to 64 GB of RAM for the price difference.

>>106107369
Thanks. If and when I get around to messing with it again I'll do that. Could this also potentially solve the overall slowness or might that be a hardware problem? The first time I started it up I went through all of the same stuff I did earlier, but I did manage to get google going eventually (which itself took a very long time), I can't remember if it remained slow the whole time or if it was all down to a long extended boot up. I don't know if that would make sense or not.

>>106105848
>her
anon...

For ~300€ which one would you pick?
- T480 with i7 and 16GB RAM
- T14 gen1 with i5 and 16GB RAM

>>106108497
If those were my two options, the T480.

>>106107510
>but I did manage to get google going eventually
Do you mean the Chrome browser?

Windows a shit and is going to be doing all sorts of setup/update retardation on first boot up. If it isn't (or might not be) the original SSD, make sure it's not a SATA SSD instead of NVME. That makes things slower. Disk encryption makes things slower. I don't know what your tolerance level for latency, "slow" is a relative term. And yes, newer BIOS revisions are going to fix all kinds of fucky behavior and bugs...usually (and expectedly) related to hardware access, with slow startup times sometimes being a symptom of that root problem.

If it were me, even if there's not a newer version, I'd reflash the latest anyway just for peace of mind.

>>106108969
>Do you mean the Chrome browser?
Yes.
>Windows a shit and is going to be doing all sorts of setup/update retardation on first boot up
Could be the case, but the slowness is so insane I don't know how much that can account for it.
>make sure it's not a SATA SSD instead of NVME
Thanks. I'll check to see if that's the case. I'm a bit of a computer noob, still learning.
>I don't know what your tolerance level for latency, "slow" is a relative term.
I'd say it's WELL beyond the threshold for tolerance levels, and in the realm of reasonable unusability. I recall it taking probably over a minute to open settings on it. I might even be undershooting the amount of time it took to boot it up. It may well have been over 10 minutes, but I digress.

I'll test what you suggested. Thonks.

L14 Gen 5
ryzen 5 pro
512 gb
32 of ram

500 euros

is that a good price? it is in a mint condition almost brand new

>>106108316
I think he means the wallpaper.

>>106105659
Above one for the name

>>106104696
My brand new stinkpad does stink but it goes away after using it for a month.

what is the thinkpad to buy now? I have a budget of say 300 to 600. I have my own m.2 2280 nvme drive and I can buy my own ram. What I want in a thinkpad is premium build quality, good keyboard, screen.

>>106062220 (OP)
Should I get an a485?

Does anybody use the fingerprint reader? I probably won't just cuz using biometric data to unlock devices is retarded but curious if it's any decent. I remember it never worked well on my old iPhone

>>106111038
For work? Yes. For gaming? Only if you play things like gachas, 15 year old titles, and retro.

>>106062220 (OP)
I have a P51
Next one will probably be a P16
Will splurge on the best possible screen so I can use it outside.

>>106112019
NTA but what would be a good one for games? Or rather, a decently built thinkpad that can also run stuff like FFXIV? It'd be used as a desktop regularly but also carried to college

>>106109735
I bought one used from a jewish hip hop "producer" in a wealthy NYC suburb.
It was so filled with marijuana smoke tar it took me 30 minutes to get the battery cover off.
All the electronics inside were covered in a film of weed smoke gunk.
I had to spend a week degunking it with rubbing alcohol before I could use it.
>Why did you buy it?
The guy's room was so filled with weed smoke I didn't notice the laptop was totally fucked.
>happy ending
I did get an almost-new powerful laptop for very cheap, ultimately glad I bought it.
I named it "chong"

>>106112019
I play OSRS but rarely, so not much gaming.
Thanks!

>>106112019
I don't play much anymore, except for OSRS, but pretty rarely. Will be doing work mostly.
Thanks!

>>106113011
https://ebay.us/m/UHTfhZ
I've been eyeing this as this GPU has 16GB according to the specs sheets and for the price is not bad. But you also have P1 gen 4 that have 3070s and 3080s

>>106113011
If you can look at every spec sheet. You don't want to be jewed into buying one that has soldered RAM most of the time. You can use
>"Name of Thinkpad" PSREF
Into any search engine and it should pull up a sheet of features

Just got a T480 and upgraded batteries, RAM and SSD but noticed there's a supervisor password on BIOS (of course no mention of that on the auction).
Will Librebooting remove that shit? I wanted to try it out anyway.

where do you buy thinkpads in euroland? i found amso site.

beefy 32gb t14 for 400eur (dont know which gen)
https://amso.eu/en/products/laptops/brand/lenovo/lenovo-thinkpad/touchscreen-lenovo-thinkpad-t14-i7-10610u-32gb-1tb-ssd-1920x1080-grade-a-windows-11-home-275220#projector_dictionary

class A 480 with i3
https://amso.eu/en/products/laptops/laptop-type/with-windows-11/lenovo-thinkpad-t480-i3-8130u-16gb-256gb-ssd-1920x1080-class-a-255154

or A- with i5
https://amso.eu/en/products/laptops/laptop-series/lenovo-thinkpad/lenovo-thinkpad-t480-i5-8250u-16gb-240gb-ssd-1920x1080-class-a-267384

both are 157eur

how's the build quality of the t14 G1/G2? acceptable? I would like an older thinkpad but having a machine with amd running the pstate driver on linux sounds 2 good

>>106062220 (OP)
Just bought a ThinkPad T490s i7-8665U 32GB. Any recommendations for SSDs or just any gen3 nvme? Also should I upgrade the display? Does it matter?

>>106114627
I'd take the T480 with i5. The i3 in the other T480 is a dual-core that you can get in older (and better in other aspects) models for cheaper. The only thing the T14 (gen 1) has going for it is possibly a better screen, and it has the disadvantages of soldered wifi and no support for a second drive.

>>106115681
Acceptable is a good word for it. Less robust than X270/T470/T480 but just as nice to type on. Note T14 G1 firmware blocks amd-pstate even though the CPU itself would support it.

>>106114627
Kleinanzeigen.
Few sussy kebabs here and there, otherwise plenty of great deals.

T14 i5 are usually 200€, fully specced T14 are 270-350€

>>106066809
>t480 is $100
>t430 is $50
Wow, I remember them being 2x the price in 2023-2024

Where do you guys are buying your Thinkpads and Dells?

>>106114627
USA ebay. I bought a T14s Gen 3 with 1080 touch IPS, 16GB, Ryzen 7 Pro and glass trackpad for $430 + extra $130 for import taxes and shipping to Yurop. The same laptop would cost $250 extra if I bought it here.

>>106114279
Ended up flashing the BIOS and using an auto-patcher.
Damn those clips don't work at all, took me a while.

Guys real question im slightly tech illiterate but I want a thinkpad so i have a laptop that i can just upgrade a little and forget about, but how do i go about choosing the best for me since i just read the specs and it's confusing for a noob i dont know what any of this means

My thinkpad T480 has some weird behavior when charging
It alternates between charging and not charging sometimes when plugged in. I don't think it's the USB c because I can wiggle it and it doesn't induce this, it has to be something else. I don't notice it with the oem charging block but with anything else should be charging at 100 watts+ (charging station with 100w USB c to USB c cables)

Is it due to the infamous nvm/thunderbolt controller failure? Or something else?

These are the comfiest computers ever made. I use one for work. I recently bought a MacBook Air M4 24GB, but I really wish I had gotten a Thinkpad T14 instead.

>>106118072
I got a T14 Gen 3 6850U 32GB for $450
Europe is so shit for buying anything.

>glass trackpad
It's mylar.

>>106120453
I don't like Macbook/haptic touchpads.
They hurt my fingers.

>>106117066
>Note T14 G1 firmware blocks amd-pstate even though the CPU itself would support it.
cool thanks for the heads up. follow up question: do you happen to know what kind of battery life i might expect from t14 gen 2 running amd pstate on linux, roughly?

Are the cheap ebay thinkpads good enough to play WoW or FFXI at 50-60 fps in town or raids/alliance? I would need at least 8gb ram I think possibly upgradable to 16gb. Are there models that come with or you can add internal discrete graphic chip to? Would be using a Linux distro so AMD would be nice.
I search for installing graphics unit to laptops but most results are just eGPU.

>>106120673
>It's mylar.
is it? It feels exactly like glass.

I’m going to be starting Grad School and quitting my job. I use a Thinkpad T14s and I really like it. I’m gonna have to give it back once I quit, do these laptops come cheap secondhand? It has an i5-1250P and 12GB Memory which will be fine for my uses.

(Also open to a similar models)

>>106121301
>12GB Memory
16*, my bad

>>106120813
Doesn't matter what it feels like, spec sheet lists touchpad as mylar.
https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T14s_Gen_3_AMD/ThinkPad_T14s_Gen_3_AMD_Spec.pdf

I wish these threads still had actual enthusiasts.
None of you have done high-end aftermarket LCD swaps, you're all just poorfags.

Think the T480s might be a bit too chunky for what I'm going for, which of the X1C gens are the most sought after? Had my eyes on X1C6 but it sounds like the Gen 9s are decent as well?

>>106062220 (OP)
does modern business laptop exsist that has usb c charging but it uses a fucking replaceable daughter board how think pads had barrel and square dc plugs on daughter board you could replace?

Every laptop i own dies at the charging port. It's why I fell for the thinkpad meme cause daughter boards repairs easy.

>>106122539
Cheaper to buy a newer model than updoot the shit screen of the old one.

>>106122819
Dunno, but you can just Swap out the old wired plug for a type-c one.

>>106122018
Damn they fucking nailed the feel of it. Doesn't even have any oil stains like the older plastic touchpads on used thinkpads.

Hi anons, searching for a laptop with the following features. Not necessarily ThinkPad.
- (important) long-lasting battery
- (important) 120Hz screen or more
- (important) 16GB RAM or more
- (important) rather lightweight, preferably <1.5kg
- (mildly important) good backlighting when using laptop outside

Budget: around 1000 EUR

What are some solutions to x250/x260/x270 chassis flex issues? This is the problem where when the laptop is picked up from a corner, the chassis flexes and displacing the RAM causing it to BSOD or crash. So far, I've found the following fixes online:

- Stop picking it up from the corner.
- Add rubber feet around the RAM slot to prevent it from getting displaced.
- Bend the left and right retainers of the RAM slot inwards.
- Applying threadlocker to the chassis screw holes.
- Attach a metal board underneath the laptop (search "x260 BSDO TiFixer")

This whole issue seems pretty silly. I presume most people not picking it up from the corner?

>>106062220 (OP)
wat do?

>>106125612
>Doesn't even have any oil stains like the older plastic touchpads on used thinkpads
Those aren't "oil stains", it's the plastic being worn down, and it will have those "oil stains" if you use it longer.