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Previous: >>106139207

you stare at the monitor all day
now its gaze is set upon you

>>106154302 (OP)
That image, my fucking sides
Anyway, I'm thinking of killing myself after 43 applications and getting not a single interview opportunity

>>106154335
shut da fuck up

>>106154361
yes master nyaaa~~~ teehee

Wasting two decades in software development and hoping to eventually to land on a job where I get to work with people who are truly passionate about programming, technology in general.

Then always end up being interviewed by people who look like they are being held at a gunpoint, asking questions like "hurr durr how do nodejs timers work", "can you reverse this string for us real quick"?

What's the point anymore? Am I delusional?

>>106154302 (OP)
anyone tried those github repos that spam applications for you automatically?

Sometimes I wish we all coded in Haskell
Shits so elegant, annoying for OOP tho
powerSet = filterM (const [True, False])

Meanwhile, c++babbies:
vector<vector<int>> powerSet(const vector<int>& input) {
int n = input.size();
vector<vector<int>> result;
for (int mask = 0; mask < (1 << n); ++mask) {
vector<int> subset;
for (int i = 0; i < n; ++i) {
if (mask & (1 << i)) {
subset.push_back(input[i]);
}
}
result.push_back(subset);
}
return result;
}

>>106154440
You kept that child within you alive. Tell your parents good job on sheltering you even well into adulthood.

>>106154440
if it's taking you 20 years to achieve your goal, then ya you might need to change up your approach

>>106154440
>"can you reverse this string for us real quick"
echo string | rev
HUHEUHEHEHUEUHEUHEUHUE br? br? br?

>>106154440

I would make your job search more personal if you're willing to do it for less pay. Maybe seek out specific tech companies at the small/midsized level and reach out by email to HR or leadership. Let them know you actually want to do it for the craft and someone will take it.

>>106154440
programmers are so fucking spoiled man. the average person has dogshit wages in addition to the lack of fulfillment you're crying about. enjoy your money and decent work life balance, shut the fuck up and have some perspective.

My life was so good 10 years ago... I had a good job, I had friends, I was dating, getting laid... how did I fuck it up so much

>>106154508
GTFO normie

>>106154491

We aren't spoiled we're just yanked around. If the original standards were that this job could be done with 1-2 years of training from a CC (which is well doable) we would be happy with the lower pay. But they insisted on forcing 4-5 years of expensive university and theory-level education. And we know full well they aggressively depress wages with cosmic level outsourcing that simply doesn't exist for anyone other than factory workers.

>>106154453
my brian melted after reading the second word in the c-- paragraph

>>106154461
is this a good thing?

The SME normally review my pull requests and approves him, but he just did some rebase thing on mine and let the new guy approve the pull request instead 7 hours later. No feedback no anything, and this is a first.
Is he just letting someone get some experience reviewing and approving other people's pull request or is this fucker trying to set my ass up for something to blow up in my face down the line and I am none-the-wiser?

>>106154570
On one hand yes, because it helps you keep an optimistic outlook in life. On the other hand no, because you'll be exploited.

>>106154583
Does your PR work as described in the acceptance criteria? Is it being merged in a timely manner? If so, everything is fine. Watch out if he starts pushing into your branch.

>>106154597
ah
to me it seems like the optimism becomes useless at some point

>>106154615
You will feel disappointed regardless, might aswell just be optimistic.

>>106154508
FUCKING NORMIE REEEEEEEEEEE

>>106154611
>Does your PR work as described in the acceptance criteria?
Yeah, verified it via testing it myself.
>Is it being merged in a timely manner?
Define timely, because them being merged an exact day later could be timely depending on how busy everyone is, not sure if there is a proper rule of thumb here though.
>Watch out if he starts pushing into your branch.
No code changes from anyone besides me, so I am good there.

>>106154491

> enjoy your money and decent work life balance

So you assume every developer makes $400K a year and floats on a margarita pool at a campus designed by Zaha Hadid? You should spend less time on TikTok watching grifters.

>>106154482
I am planning to take more "personalized" approach. It is time-consuming but I have a feeling that it's a winner strategy on the long run because you may demonstrate your knowledge and interest far better during those tailored engagements compared to being a part of a scripted interview resulting from a blind application. Good that some random anon validated my thoughts. Thanks.

I am already working with very cool people on a wide range of projects. However pay is very basic because I get a fat equity on all projects. Problem is: I have been doing this long enough that I am about to run out of money myself, moreover, this hinders my growth because everyone looks at me as the knowledge leader. Hence, my job search and post about grueling pain of finding a good fit in 2025.

>>106154874
I only make 85k (europoor) but I can definitely admit I'm spoiled as fuck considering the amount of work I do for this money

>>106154461

I assure you the occasional abuse I faced at my household did not contribute to my personality in a positive way. They should not get any credits.

I think you need curiosity and optimism to keep on going, wouldn't you agree? Why stare at a continuous stream of information if one has no drive for it?

>just got a high paying remote job
>team is chill af
>everyone works at a pace that allows me to just fuck off for a while

What the hell. It feels too good to be true

>>106154914

That's great. You must be in the North. Cost of living eroded our purchasing power but it's still plenty of money to enjoy life and see the world.

My point is: When you work long enough, you reach to a point where you can only tolerate people who have similar goals and interests. This dance of pleasantries, politics, and constant masking gets very tired as you get older.

>>106154738
>>106154521
Once a normie is not always a normie. Also, normies can have fall outs and become non normies, like this guy.

Just because someone has had sex doesn't mean anything. I will remind you the following exist: LBGTQ freaks, visiting hookers, ghettos, dating down so bad you're afraid to take your fuck buddy into public together*.

*Aside: FKA Twigs's song didn't consider this relational aspect - she says "you only want me in public spaces". In terms of downing down, it should be the opposite. Sometimes we stoop to fucking 2/10 foreign women when we're desperate. FKA Twigs's song is about a boy friend zoning a chick and that still doesn't indicate normie-hood because autists do this all the time since they're clueless.

Then who the fuck a normie??

Mostly people who have ongoing social, physical or mental kampfs. There are some other edge cases like people so broken they aren't even aware of their trauma due to brain damage, medications, or mental illness, but for now let's consider the majority.

What kind of struggles? Anything that deviates from their society's and culture's norms. Living with cancer having hoarder parents, molestation trauma, deformities, witnessing of deaths, etc.

Smoking weed, being poor, being a loser, and being a degenerate does NOT disqualify you from being a normie. You might just be a loser. The earth has a lot of those.

>>106155020
>friend circle, getting laid and dates
>not a normie
GTFO normie

I work in fintech and this shit is so souless. Might quit this week

I got the wfh job in March. I thought I'd workout everyday and be fit and less stressed. Unfortunately not. But I have more money. And a girl I'm dating but she's stressing me out and I'm basically about as fat as I was in February.
any tips?

>>106155118
yes.
fuck off normie

>>106155017
>This dance of pleasantries, politics, and constant masking gets very tired as you get older.
damn this is so true

>>106155118
eat a salad

>mass layoffs
>every team gutted
>everyone I ever worked with has been laid off or moved around (except for one guy)
>I am still here, role unchanged.
kind of a weird felling, not sure how to describe it.

>>106154874
>So you assume every developer makes $400K a year and floats on a margarita pool at a campus designed by Zaha Hadid?
this very thread would insist such a person is a complete poorfag for not making 1M "tc" minimum and being hand-fed chicken tendies by ladyboy concubines in thailand on a house the designed themselves in google sketchup but had built by contractors hired through their own LLC and written off taxes somehow

>>106155194
>making 1M
damn that's poverty tier.

>>106154440
>What's the point anymore?
your Big Figgies bro

>>106155096
you read the first sentence I wrote, right?

It could always be worse anons. You could be writing in Prolog, for example

Python
def flatten(lst):
for item in lst:
if isinstance(item, list):
yield from flatten(item)
else:
yield item


Prolog
flatten([], []).
flatten([Head|Tail], FlatList) :-
flatten(Head, FlatHead),
flatten(Tail, FlatTail),
append(FlatHead, FlatTail, FlatList).
flatten(NonList, [NonList]) :-
\+ is_list(NonList).

append([], L, L).
append([H|T], L, [H|R]) :-
append(T, L, R).

Good luck reading that kek

>making only 1M tc
lmao @ ur life
>he hasn't exited with 60M in just 90 days

>>106155114
Do you like python and dislike JS? Wanna work on a project together?

>>106155348
>recursion
>prolog
this motherfucker is a canadian, everyone point and laugh at him

>>106154914
Devaluing your work and skills like that are exactly how middle managers and Mike Rowe-type grifters devalue your worth and wages. Stop falling for tricks.

>>106155491
Oh, I never said managers deserve it kek. Ideally managers should earn even less. I'm just comparing to the general base of the population, it's insane that engineers that work on critical projects earn less than me

>>106154440
>"hurr durr how do nodejs timers work"
how are you ever supposed to pass job interviews when they ask bullshit trivia questions like this?
there are thousands of tricks per language that they could possibly ask, you can't prepare without 10 years of experience using that specific shit they ask for like you're supposed to commit your entire career to one technology to please them

t. never used javascript

>>106154914
My salary was about 80k€ and I lived quite well on it.

>>106155641
That's why I said I'm spoiled
The only is there for the ameriburgers

>>106155512

I built multiple cross-platform applications and exited one. I often come across a method or a theory that I may not be aware of with the language I am currently using.

Last time they asked me a textbook question I walked out of the interview. They apologized but it was too late. You don't ask shit like this to people who are concerned about "building solutions" with proven track record. Solutions involves often many languages and technologies. It's impossible to know everything by heart.

Don't sell yourself too cheap and be confident. Try to steer the conversation so that they end up asking questions relevant to your background. If all fails and person interviewing you still has no idea about your background despite your best efforts and recap of past experience, just walk out. You don't owe them anything. You will find a better fit.

>>106155705
The best types of interviews are those where you're literally allowed to google shit
Knowing how to look up stuff is not a fucking weakness, and depending on what and how you google it immediately gets obvious how expansive your expertise is on the topic

What do you plan to do when all the tech jobs are gone within the next couple years?

>>106155192
the lone survivor.
Sometimes it has nothing to do with your own merit, just consider it dumb luck.

>>106155807
we're just getting started.

life feels like a terrible nightmare
every day you have to read about tech layoffs
every day israel gains more ground
every day more draconic internet laws get implemented
every day nvidia and palantir stocks go up

>>106155838
I mean, they said the "bottom 50%" were fired and I was complimented by my not-anymore boss.
Although I'm still not certain it wasn't just divine protection.

Either way, I feel like the last of my kind. Theme I guess:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CloJxe6Jd_k&list=RDCloJxe6Jd_k&start_radio=1

>>106155807
Probably take the "solopreneur" route and do something someone will buy. Silly-con valley might have all the money but they are a bottleneck on innovation.

>>106155807
Professional masturbator and 4chan poster.

>>106155807
sex with creatures, mostly

Which subfield of electrical engineering the least jeeted? I refuse to work with them in any capacity. Considering focusing on RF and targeting defense after I graduate, or anything in the power industry
>inb4 >>>/utwg/
The unemployed would not have the answer to my question

>>106155949
palantir has 100% gotta be money laundering

other defense companies dont have such absurd valuations and they have actual contracts for actual products and services

palantir has a truck with a desk in the back and a gpt-enabled excel sheet

>>106155743
thinking about it i think you might be onto something. because you get to see the moment the candidate learns a new concept. they will draw from their pool of knowledge and explain their perspective showing how much they truly understand and how they think the THING_YOURE_ASKING works.
unfortunately hiring is a chore so nobody wants to do it. and people doing it couldn't care less to innovate unless the company is small and desperate.

>>106156123
anything govt related usually is free of jeets.

Name five things you got done last week.

>>106155949
>life feels like a terrible nightmare
Everything's fine. It's just your perspective.

>every day you have to read about tech layoffs
Layoffs are a common thing.

>every day israel gains more ground
It should be none of your concern unless you're living in Gaza or some other place next to Israel.

>every day more draconic internet laws get implemented
Unless you're doing illegal things, you have nothing to worry about.

>every day nvidia and palantir stocks go up
Stocks go up and down. That's how the stock market works. You missed out.

>>106156265
>You missed out.
it's not that it's that, it's that the most evil companies on the planet that are spying on people and making them unemployed (goog/msft/pltr/nvda/aapl/amzn) are the only ones that are growing

it's yet another foghorn of the moral corruption of capitalist society without safeguards

>>106156316
The invisible hand will fix it, just give it two more weeks

Working from home saves working people and families time and money, and it makes good workers more productive

I will vote for whichever political party promises to make WFH an enshrined worker's right

>>106156265
>Unless you're doing illegal things, you have nothing to worry about.
I don't want to have to give my fucking ID in order to watch porn

This. This. THIS is why we work.

How do I get a job?

>>106156490
Need me a gf like this.

>>106156733
you are a paedophile

>>106156246
I got done with my whole sprint's worth of work in after it started on Wednesday

>>106156742
No I'm not.

>>106155807
Nice try, FBI

>>106152699
why haven't you faggots started an anti-jeet ad campaign directed to C-levels and directors of tech companies, warning them that jeets are destroying their companies?
this is why you needed unions, but you are too retarded and too lazy to do anything about your situation, and after more than a decade of political brainwashing (muh lolbertarianism), you now think unions = communism

>>106156140
>palantir has 100% gotta be money laundering
you think so?

>>106157253
>israel

This fucking country is behind every fucking thing wrong in our society

>>106157235
Unions will destroy the tech companies just as fast if not faster than H1Bs and outsourcing. Lazy and incompetent workers will get protected by the union and nothing will get done.

>>106154508
so... are you gonna tell us what went wrong?

>>106157235
>this is why you needed unions
everytime I hear someone say unions are a good thing, I want to punch them in the face

>>106157235
In my country, software engineering has been unionized in the last 5 years.
It has become absolute dogshit, there are software engineers making minimum wage here. The unions are just commieposting all day long, as always.

>Sit in on interviews as the next highest on the rung for a department (Most of the guys above me are on leave)
>mfw the interviews.
The absolute state of the job market. Either we get people who don't know what they are doing (HR likes them though so my input means shit) or they know what they are doing (HR dislikes them though so my input means shit). This shit is unsustainable.

>>106157599
What stories did you run into? Ive never done one before but I dread what I will have to do

>>106157499
I wish I knew....

>>106157608
So it is for a simple analytics job, nothing too major, had to make some questions for the interview on the technical side of things. Some highlights include
>Guy who didn't know basic data types
>Guy who fell for the causation vs correlation fallacy on an open ended scenario I put forward to test their analytical mindset.
>Guy who admitted he thought this was a web developer job (wut).
>Guy who was what we were looking for, but didn't give the answers the HR people wanted (The deal breaker was his 4 month job gap from his previous company actually going bust)
>Mostly people that fit most of the skills but felt "off" to the HR people
I don't want to do it again, it is so soul draining. If you have to do it, I would suggest making any technical questions you do have be simple open ended stuff so that you get to see their thinking rather than giving them a task they probably had time to create a rigid checklist for. That said, it means shit if the HR people don't give a toss about that side of things. I dunno how my higher ups handle it, especially my immediate manager who gives 0 fucks about social skills if you can provide good output.

>>106157675
Oh yeah, also as a professional bullshit artist myself, I can tell when they were lying through their teeth at the usual HR centric questions like "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?" and "What made you want to apply for this job?"

If you have kids you will retire at 70
If you don't have kids you will retire at 45

Make your choice

>>106157675
>>Guy who was what we were looking for, but didn't give the answers the HR people wanted
>>Mostly people that fit most of the skills but felt "off" to the HR people
why are you letting HR decide who gets hired? why aren't you complaining to their bosses or whoever is above them? how about you stop being a fucking coward and a cuck?

my jeet coworker who i thought was one of the good ones turned out to be a sneaky backstabbing weasel

>>106157903
with jeets and jews, you lose

>>106157705
>almost 40

I'm entering my "high chance of death" years sadly. Even though Im healthy, any random thing can take me.

>>106157441

unions consistently get higher pay and better benefits than non-unionized labor, shill

>>106157971
nta but the only people who get higher pay in unions are the union owners. That's why it's popular with jews and mafias.

>>106157890
Because I got told "You are only here for the technical side and to give some input, not doing the actual hiring".

>>106157432
israel exported jeets to you? israel controls your housing market? israel makes niggers nig?

>>106157441
>Lazy and incompetent workers will get protected by the union and nothing will get done.
how is that different from how things are now?

>>106158115
Yes to all three.

>>106157235
the problem with unions among techbros is they invariably edge away from "protect local workers" to fart-huffing "we're ARTISANS of LE MACHEEN SPIRIT" shit and just become codes of conduct organizations that actively try to get people fired and replaced with cheaper workers while skimming money off the top and not providing any of the services unions usually do

techbros are literally incapable of teamwork, they're psyopped eachother into believing it's a zero sum competition for too long and loathe the idea of any kind of market protection

>>106157599
> Either we get people who don't know what they are doing (HR likes them though so my input means shit) or they know what they are doing (HR dislikes them though so my input means shit).

Yes I just resorted to shit talking the company I work with during interviews. Now they don't want my input anymore. The HR at my current company likes to bring in people with masters or phds and academic research for every position. That while I clearly state I rather have someone with a bachelor or even associates and 3-5 years of exp working on a production DB so he can assist me. Instead they will probably hire some phd in chemistry or physics with 0 database knowledge or experience to be a data engineer / devops support. I really want another job soon since I just keep getting additional responsibilities without any additional pay. It's insufferable really. Seems like this is another key reason why people nowadays just job hop after 3-5 years.

>>106157675
>Guy who admitted he thought this was a web developer job (wut).

I've made this mistake at certain points in my career where I was mass applying jobs. It sucks for both parties but at least you can close the interview in 5-15 minutes.

> deal breaker being a 4 month job gap
Retards.

> how to test candidates
I would come up with a case that's relevant for the business. For example for a backend dev I would give a scenario. Suppose you have a shipping company, what if you were to put customer order columns, customer information, personal information, warehouse locations, addresses, order information from warehouse side all into one big table? What problems would you run into?

Then I just see if they understand basic concepts like normality, star vs snowflake schema, creating tests, designing solutions for read / write or data analytics. The most brilliant answer I've received was a guy who suggested splitting columns across multiple SQL servers with hybrid on prem and cloud (???, he wasn't trolling).

>>106158183
>The HR at my current company likes to bring in people with masters or phds and academic research for every position. That while I clearly state I rather have someone with a bachelor or even associates and 3-5 years of exp working on a production DB so he can assist me.
I do wonder why they do that. All it does is create more experience inflation and doesn't even give them the productivity they want.

>>106158232
because phds are le smart and ppl with lesser degrees are le dumb

>>106157441
>>106157526
>>106157594
>>106158150
what if you think 2 more seconds and, instead of being negative and a bunch of retards, form an association instead of a union?
JFC, no wonder you faggots are being scammed by big tech and jeets are overtaking the whole industry. for all the "smarts" you brag about and the "solutions" you say you create, you are fucking UNABLE to move a single finger or think for a single second if you are not being paid.
useless fucks. enjoy being laid off, I guess kek

>>106158086
yet you are here complaining and crying about it.

>>106158126
Unions will prevent them from being fired.

>>106158242
>form an association instead of a union?
No.

What you probably mean is a guild, but it's the same shit.

>>106158246
How come unions prevent people from being fired by never increases worker competency? One of the big reasons I don't support unions. They seem to only exist to persist bad workers.

>NOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!1
ok then. stop complaining, faggots.
I'll just ignore that shit from now on.

You ever have that immediate manager that you like ever get taken away and get replaced by an obvious nepo-hire?
Fucking hate that.

>>106154914
I make like 78k on 36 hrs in Netherlands. Only reason I'm keeping the job is that my actual work hours are more like 20ish hours since I just work at office and put my jiggler on at home. I still have to sometimes do an online meeting while at home, so therefore 20 hours instead of 16. But I'm only in the office for like 6 - 7 hours at most. I come in late and leave early.

> engineers working on critical projects

I don't think these projects are deemed very critical if they outsource it all to jeetland and pay them a little bit above median. You will always earn shit in the eurozone since there are additional taxes, retirement and so on that your employer all needs to provide for. Then in my country you have the ability to be burned out for 2 years straight and your employer has to pay 100% for 1 year, 70% for the second year. Typically people find a new job in the second year, work a year hard to get an indefinite contract and then they can claim burn out shortly after again. Every leftie system enables fraud and abuse. You either abuse the system or get abused, its a zero sum game.

>>106158232
50 + year old managers who still hold academics in high regard. I'm not sure why. All the phd's I have worked with have only been good at writing things down (documenting). Understandable, since writing things down is the only thing that matters if you're an academic. The merit of the actual work is irrelevant when publishing.

>>106157995

literally the opposite of truth, faygo

>>106158384
Back in the day it meant something because outside of a select few autists the knowledge and skill could only be gained in university.
In the 90s and early 00s university labs were critical for education. Doesn't matter these days when people can run labs on their gaming rig.

>>106155807
MBA at HSM => do a startup where I get my AI LLM code slaves to make my product for me

>>106158281
Unions don't have accountability to the companies they're attached to, so they don't care about profitability, efficiency, and the future prospects of the company. There's also favoritism and nepotism, which works against new workers regardless how good they are and are the reason why bad workers aren't fired.

learn a trade

>>106158357
>every leftie sysmem enables fraud and abuse
>every current capitalist system is based on fraud and abuse

you're tarded

>>106158669

my cousin became a pipe fitter on onlyfans

>>106158678
Can I fill his pipes

>>106158242
>association
bRO???? yOU`RE CISSP!??!?!?!?!

any good resources to transition to embedded? currently worked as an fpga engineer

>>106158673
I didn't mention ''capitalism''. If you were in the shitshow called western Europe you could get a glimpse of social democrats governing things like shite.

>>106158577
I guess so, knowledge was mostly only available in physical books and papers. When I was in uni I think I learned more from Indian youtubers than actual teachers.

>>106158242
Has any union or association that represents software engineers ever taken a stance to explicitly help white people? Of course not.
Shut the fuck up, every single union is a commie fundraiser and they're willing to import a trillion more jeets.

>>106158577
It's almost unimaginable how unattainable knowledge was not so long ago. If you weren't in a big city and wanted to learn a subject it might have been impossible. If your local library didn't have books on the topic and you couldn't order them (which wasn't a one-click at amazon operation) your dreams would be dead in the water. And don't get me started on books with no translations, better start learning german if you wanna pick up on this subject. That's why universities meant something back then.
These days I can watch university courses on youtube and have Grok fact check and update the info in real time.

man, 4chan really is full of bots
>baww jeets are taking over tech!
>>then unite and do something about it
>omg, NOO! unions BAD, associations BAD, UR A COMMIE!
lmao. as if having stormfront absolutely brainwash /pol/, now we have these demoralization bots here.
I hope you guys realize you are fucked

>>106158958
>>106158918

>>106158973
>omg white people baww
cry some more, bot

My experience with copilot

>Create a class for testing that generates realistic user input for this other complex class
Here you go, 2000 lines of code, unit testing, example programs, and full documentation, only took me ten seconds :)

>Rename the “Comunnication” class to “Communication”
*gets lost, starts chading hallucinations, deletes half the file, shits itself and dies*

how is it going, ameribros? are you tired of winning yet?

>>106159301
WE DID IT GUYS

WE ENDED WOKENESS

jeets rights has to be removed

Time to join the marines anon's

start doing this

This is all happening whenever americans decided to stock up 20 years of toilet paper during the pandemic. Without their shitting purchases being spread throughout the market we now are in a situation where there is not enough money to go around after that economic bump.

>>106160168
Shut up faggot. I know you are 14 years old, and never read a history book, but economic crisises happen every 20 years
Even the scamdemic wasn’t new. It is 1:1 identical to the spanish flu panic from 100 years ago, it even came from China

>>106160194
Imagine malding over being low on toilet paper.

He doesn't have all of this stocked up due to the future WW3 shortages every industry is going to see.
>2000 trash bags
>800 rolls of toilet paper
>200lbs of rice / 200lbs of beans
>100lbs of flour
>Half a cow in the freezer
>50lbs of salmon
>multi vitamins, Vit D3 and iodine for radiation
>Enough cleaning supplies to wash an entire indian village
You will starve while frozen butter is being diverted to make drone wings.

Guys I have an interview set up with an MLM company
A normal recruiter hit me up on linkedin being very secretive with the company they were sourcing for. I'm use to this cause there's a lot of gov adjacent jobs around me so it didnt really seem that odd.
Found out it's some "health and wellness" company, again didn't think much of it.
After setting up the interview I googled the actual company name in the email they sent me and found out it's some MLM.
The pay is on the sorta high end and I'm extremely interested in seeing how a MLM operates. But also I feel like i'm gonna get rug pulled or something in the middle here.
Do I continue?

>>106160251
No. stay unemployed

>>106159143
the devil is in the details, this technology won't replace real human beans

>>106160251
Fuck no, stay as far away from MLMs as you can.

>>106160301
Upper managers would rather have 500 Tea debacles than admit they were wrong about AI

>getting a new hire into my team with higher salary rather than promoting me
Happens in your company? I feel MASSIVELY fucked over

>>106160440
This is why most programmers constantly hop around. My father got a plastic trophy for staying at the same corpo for 30 years. Yeah, nah, fuck that, I’ll take the salary boost, you don’t get any benefit for being loyal

Get to work on new project

>no documentation
>edge cases all over the project in between business logic writtem by programmers who are no longer with company - with no explanation
>start working on critical bugs from the get go and to make production stable again
>write on tickets for confirmation/feedback before pushing so we make sure things are ok
>feedback ok
>create MR to review
>DENIED, please do X and we don't need Y
>okay.jpg
>push new fix
>goes through

Repeat this several times and be hit with:

>please follow our guidelines type of shit, we can't afford that shit doesn't go through smoothly all the time

This is the second time people throw me into some weird bussiness logic without proper onboarding and expect miracles while crying, fuck you retards what do you expect is going to happen

>>106160468
I just don't know what to do anymore man. We do promotions only at specific points, and the next one is several months away. My current plan is to wait until then, and if they pull any kind of bullshit like not promoting me, I'll start looking for a new job.
Honestly I like this one a lot and the salary is already decent, which is why the decision is not so clear cut. In terms of salary there's obviously room upwards, but in terms of work environment and work life balance it doesn't get much better from my limited experience

>>106160440
I think growing up in an environment where you're awarded gold stars for having neat handwriting back in school gave people the impression the world functions primarily as a meritocracy. It's deeply embedded into a lot of people's psyches. It causes a huge amount of friction when they arrive in the workplace and realize nobody cares how many good boy points they have.

>>106160585
Yes that’s what most people do. I am also waiting for the christmas boneses and the January raises and if they are too lower I jump ship
Every february we lose 20% of the young guys at my company

>>106160590
It's obviously not about good points, I'm punching above my weight which is why it's extra annoying. If I was just a good boy doing just my duties albeit fast I wouldn't complain

>>106160576
Luckily for you, you live in the era of chat gpt. You can just ask copilot to sum up the code for you. I had to tardwrangle some of the most eetarded cosebases some drunk slavs wrote in 1998, and not only helped me understand how 10,000+ line classes work it also helped me refactor it to be more manageable

>>106160617
There's literary nothing chatgpt can help me with here, since you have to understand shit for start to finish or you'll break something by mistake.

>>106160604
Not saying it was for good boy points, I'm saying those good boy points that you've accumulated are not rewarded with money. dw, not taking a dig @ u.

>>106160819
>not saying it was for good boy points, I'm daying it was for good boy points
How retarded are you

>>106160617
>10,000+ line classes
slav here, no way this is real

>staff member asked me for help with her laptop
>she slid Edge halfway off the screen and didn’t know how to get it back
After looking at the screen for a few seconds I had to ask her what the problem was because I didn’t even think she wouldn’t know to just drag it back

I have such little drive to learn about coding because if I don’t use it regularly then I’ll completely forget all of it quickly and will have to relearn. I bet I could do some useful stuff using Power BI and stuff like that but I just can’t be bothered. Thanks for reading

>>106154342
It could be worse. You could get interviews with dream companies but know you've got no chance of passing the jeet code meme so you have to stay at your current position that is hell with a nice salary.

I am just sitting here eating beans.

>>106160997
The guy on the left is happily married and has a house btw
He successfully baited the entire internet into thinking he's a depressed loner with this video lmfao

>>106161001
>The guy on the left is happily married and has a house btw
He has a BMW shirt on so I have my doubts on both.

>>106160440
>slave to make 100x in company profit for your kike boss
>OMG SOMEONE ON MY TEAM IS MAKING 1.1x MORE THAN ME
jesus christ anon, this is what it took for you to realize you are being exploited and unfairly rewarded?

>>106160843
slightly less than u

>>106160576
>Please follow our guidelines
>Yeah sure, where are the guidelines?
>It's some confluence page out in Africa with three bullet points
I hate it here

>>106160911
It was a winforms file that managed multiple screens at once (the ones not in focus were made invisible) and handled the businesslogic for all of them. All variables had a names like ucWindHelper or petersArray. When you make a winforms form in visual studio it creates a .designer file with a header that says “do not manually edit this file”, well they decided to add thousands of lines of business logic into that.

If anyone else is forced to deal with Copilot at work

I recently found out that if you add “Ask me if you have any questions” to your prompt, then the agent will behave much more nicely and let you specify what you a tually want to do

>>106161317
I'll keep this in mind because I'm getting "gentle suggestions" to use AI more since we're in a hiring freeze.

>>106161355
is this a universal thing that's happening? ive been bitching to my boss about my hires and then he asked if we thought about using ai
i thought he was joking at first but then called him a delusional bitch

>>106154440
my favorite question:
>hurr durr do you have experience with JSON

>>106161221
Sounds like pure hell, I will take huge layered monolith any day. Makes you wonder if that's how the average /g/tard writes non-OOP code.

>>106161435
Probably, but for private projects it really doesnt matter
Never forget, they want you to write clean and readable code so when they fire you then Rajesh and his cousins can keep easily working on the code

>>106154874
If you make $100k as a programmer you are doing better than 95% of people on planet Earth.

I've worked in semiconductor manufacturing and software. The manufacturing people are smarter and work harder, yet they make dogshit compared to software.

At my software job I can get away with blowing off entire days of work -- do you honestly believe this is the norm?

>>106161393
Yeah but I don't think it's some particularly deep conspiracy.
CEOs keep saying AI AI AI and then it dominates the tech news cycle and then middle managers everywhere start parroting it.
It then becomes a convenient excuse to try and squeeze some extra output from employees while times look rough.

>>106161449
Well it doesn't matter if it's throw-away code or the project is very small. After half a year you don't remember anything even if you wrote the code yourself. I agree this is a double-edged sword and makes the programmer replaceable.

>>106161454
>The manufacturing people are smarter
If they were smarter, they wouldnt be working in manufacturing.

>hey can I call you on teams so I can do a test call before a meeting, can you tell me how it looks
Do people really not realize you can do this in the Teams settings?

>>106160440
Happens in every company.

>actually you DESERVE to be working with 90% foreigners at an American company

No I don't and I'm never accepting it as normal

>>106160440
>higher salary
how do you know?

>>106162183
>how do you know?
Fancier title, and at our company titles approximately determine the pay range. Somebody with a lower title certainly doesn't make more than somebody with a more senior title, although there are obviously variations when it comes to salary within the same title

How easily could I fake my way through being an AS400 administrator? I lied a lot in the interview and now they want to move ahead.

>>106162346
You don't fake your way into jobs.
If you get hired for a position, you are qualified for it. No ifs and buts about it.

Anyone ever switch from being a dev to a "solutions engineer"? I suspect with AI becoming more prevalent that the "soft skills" of tech will be more and more valuable, and being able to demo/sell software will become key. I am tempted to try to make the switch over, but I realize it's likely a one-way street. The only thing that puts me off a bit is having to talk to customers all day, but I guess if you get fat commission checks when you close deals that can be pretty motivating.

>>106160440
All the time. Staying with a job is usually a mad move. The best way to get promoted to s certain point is to leave.

>>106159485
You might as well flip burgers it pays more nowadays. If you're in a western country don't ever go into defense especially not for critical roles. If I would've gotten hired some 10-11 years ago in my country as ground to air artillery officer I would've likely been send to Poland or Ukraine to educate Ukranian meat. Since that's what my country did (Netherlands). I'm very happy I got declined with a bs reason in the end. I'm pretty sure that educating and leading people who would 100% die would've given me PTSD.

>>106160251
> Do I continue?
If you're in the US, definitely no. You might be held responsible for assisting a pyramid / ponzi and the government might even issue a clawback. In the EU it's a bit better, but being on the payroll might mean you will be held partially responsible.

You should only consider engaging with this party as a contractor. This enables you to avoid a lot of the legal issues.

>>106160468
I feel like this only works in US. In Europastan hopping is largely irrelevant as a FTE. Most companies have a SLA for its workers which also covers any compensation for inflation.

>>106162885
It's the best move if you have a job where you're doing very little. Because if your job takes only 16 hours a week instead of the full 40 it can feel like a massive pain when you get a new job that requires actual 30-40 hour weeks.

>>106162970
>In Europastan hopping is largely irrelevant as a FTE
Maybe in eastern Europe. In western Europe you either job hop or you'll only be earning 60K after 40 years of loyalty.

>>106162970
I think the benefits diminish severely after you get to like $120k (pre-Covid equivalent). But if you aren't there yet, you should probably try to job hop into the Cadillac positions at American zaibatsu.

>>106163008
I was talking from a western European perspective. Maybe I'm biased since I only worked in banking or with the government. When you work for the government it makes no sense to hop. Salary for a senior dev caps out at 97k for 36 hrs a week, for some 110k. Typically you only work like half those hours if even that. There are extremely strong labor protections and sick leave on top of that.

>>106163037
After a certain pay treshold it becomes increasingly difficult to job hop for pay and the companies that could afford to pay you more in the area become a handful. So then after you've submitted your 10-15 applications for the month you're done.

The best in my opinion is a hybrid between good pay and comfy work environment.The public sector in west Europe offers you that and typically pays more than private sector except for a few companies.

How do you cope with 4 hours of mandatory meetings per day? I can feel them causing me burnout, because I still need to work on my deliverables afterwards and my brain is fried. I work through those meetings but a cams always on culture and the manager asking random questions at any time keeps me on edge. And no, I can't decline them because that makes the manager think we are not working and a "low-performer" was fired already. Basically, if he marks you, game over.

Anyone else overemployed/side-hustling? I feel that 3 gigs is too many even with contractors working for me. I'm trying to find a balance between quality of output, meetings, and free time while chasing the dollars. I've been leveraging Claude to perform some tasks, but the work it produces needs a watchful PR eye just like these Eastern Euro slaves I have working for me.

>>106163433
I wish that was legal in my country
Having worker protection laws is a double edged sword

>>106163565
(it is legal, you just have to notify your employer and they have to allow it)

>>106163568
technically, it's because they're white and have no niggas

>>106163631
based

>Graduated with CS degree during COVID slump
>Went into IT to pay bills
>Still stuck in $60,000 hell despite nearly 5 YOE
If any anons are dooming ITT about their career prospects as a SWE, please please please just soldier on. Do not compromise, even if you have to live out of your car and eat tins of dog food to survive while you're applying.

>>106163631
Yet

>>106163750
That's sad to know, too. Normal white people would look at Norway and go

>nice. I want to keep it clean and temperament

Brown skins will go

>a place we can trash and take advantage of

>company outsources stuff to our jeet dept.
>managers face when when it turns out the jeets have been lying about working on things for months without any progress
lol
lmao

>>106163876
lol was like that at my last job. my manager had to suck it up cause thats what the execs wanted.

>they're cheap so we'll accept this. it should pay off eventually right?

>>106163669
>>Graduated with CS degree during COVID slump
>>Went into IT to pay bills
>>Still stuck in $60,000 hell despite nearly 5 YOE
we repeatedly told everyone to job hope in this general. you should have done that, RETARD. how the fuck did you fuck it up this bad?

How close are you to your FIRE number, /twg/?

>>106163943
>job hope
i lost all hope

>>106154440
>sad you can't be a good slave

>>106159301
learn to code, retard.
>i wanna be the smartest person ever but I won't ever ever ever ever hold a real job if needed!

>>106159312
>woke was a jewish ideology aimed at attacking whites
>brown retards forget who they massa is and conflate jews with whites, celebrate October 7th as an anti colonial liberation movement
>woke ends immediately, practically overnight
>you must swear allegiance to Israel to get FEMA aid or university funding
How do people still pretend like jews don’t run this country lol. It has to be willful at this point

>>106163669
60k isn't that bad in a low col area

>>106163893
I guess it's true that the higher you go up the company hierarchy, the more retarded the people are. With the exception of jeets lol

>>106163876
>manager gets promoted and a ten million dollar bonus
>company goes bankrupt
>manager goes to another company at an even higher position
lol

>>106164034
I still believe ending USAID was a punishment for democrats for not being able to control the “antisemitic” protests at universities. That’s why Elon left, his autistic ass genuinely thought it was about budgeting and finding corruption, and not mommy halving your allowance after crashing her porsche

>>106164075
High level management and executive layer is the most blatant clownworldery I know from the corporate world. Even company takeovers make more sense despite often being evil and cynical. CEOs are supposedly brought in for connections or similar things, but in 90% of cases they just shit up things even further and then hop to the next company with not only zero repercussions, but also a golden parachute kek

>>106163631
Norway's special advantage is having a lot of oil and having a massive oil slush fund managed by the government.

>>106154442
I think I've tried like two of them. They are incredibly shit.
I'm actually thinking about building my own using a self-hosted n8n instance.

>>106164179
It is feudalism with extra steps

>>106161454
>If you make $100k
you're a poorfag and should off yourself

>>106164340
No it's even dumber. At least with feudalism you head a semi clear succession and marriages happened strategically
It's more like voodoo combined with fantasy football, except it's the worst parts of both

>>106156123
>electrical engineering
>>>/utwg/

>>106158183
for a shipping company that would make sense though. some stuff (mostly client and address inf) can be passed down through microservice slop since the user is likelier to have entered their address info properly for their bank than they will for your five-person dropshipping operation so just peel it off of what comes out of whatever BNPL suite youre using. meanwhile the 3 products you offer can happily reside on the mac mini you use for a webserver

>>106157675
>company closes
>look for job
>it takes time because fucking nobody hires fast
>hr gets the ick and says no
What is the point of that entire department?

>>106164466
>What is the point of that entire department?
(Female) adult daycare. I'm not joking in the slightest.

>>106164496
How big are your hr departments lmfao? We have like 3 people per country which makes perfect sense

>>106160617
Yeah, so lucky we live in an era where low IQs who should be mopping floors get jobs as "programmers" who ask chatbots to hallucinate meaning from something and shill it for free.

>>106164531
Depends on the company size.
20 people? 4 of them are doing HR tasks.
50 people? A department of 8 isn't unheard of.
HR usually gets given misc financial tasks as well.

>>106159933
her nipples are hard
I wanna suck on it

>>106159933
But i am already wating gas station nachos

I've had an unglamorous but mostly stable IT/infra job at a midsize company that got acquired by a much larger dinosaur for a few years now
Am I retarded for sticking with the stable job?
i make decent money but this nagging voice in my head keeps saying something bad will happen soon so don't make any drastic moves
did i just miss the point? is life just making moves despite bad things happening and just rolling with the punches?

>>106164825
Yes roll with the punches. Learn new shit that aides you in the job and always be prepared to move. If you are stable, make great pay then you can chill for a couple years but at the end of the day promotions/pay raises really only happen when you move.

>>106163968
Learning to code is a meme.

>>106165064
This. Programming is for chumps. Designing architecture or just plain managing people is where the money is at.

anyone ever use the salary negotiation service from levels.fyi? about to get a meta offer

>>106165151
you should sign up for interviewing.io's salary negotiation. she is absolutely worth it (TC increased by 100k+). do not email your recruiter anything until you talk to her

>>106165360
even if im not that high up (expecting ~150-180k offer, maybe 200 tc)?

>>106165498
talk to her and tell her everything, she'll let you know what your options are. she was amazing for me for my meta offer

>>106164825
if you can get a job that pays much more thant he current one (20% or more), then just jump. otherwise just stay, but keep looking for jobs.

>>106154440
>"hurr durr how do nodejs timers work"
I would fail this interview.
>t. node dev

>>106165546
ok but it literally asks for my credit card, how do I know how legit this is or who im gonna be talking to

>>106165617
you are gonna talk to a WOMAN

>>106161393
Yes. They've shifted from telling normies ''we're going to use data analytics'' to telling normies ''we're going to use AI''. Typically without any sort of functional data analytics team and without backend devs.

>>106161490
I hate that it's being used as an excuse that ''jobs are disappearing'' rather than the economy being in the gutter ever since the coof money printing stopped. It's just that people don't see it since their assets are still sky high overvalued.

>>106162041
This. People very much undervalue ITT the amount of knowledge you need about systems to perform well as software engineer. It's just that ever since AI became a thing that this profession faces the same challenges as with traditional engineering. That is a combination of outsourcing and machinery / automation overtaking simple tasks. This leads to a lack of demand from the labor market and stagnant wages. Engineering output in the west is low and it will likely remain low relative to its competitors in the east.

Me sitting in a 1 on 1 with my manager talking about goals for the upcoming year knowing full well that I have no intention of being here past a month from now

>>106165617
you'll talk to aline: https://interviewing.io/blog/how-to-negotiate-with-meta

>>106165608
>"hurr durr how do nodejs timers work"
Isn't the answer "something something, event loop, single threaded execution etc. etc." not the most comprehensive answer but I think even that throwaway meme answer is most of the way there.

>>106165621
>This leads to a lack of demand from the labor market and stagnant wages. Engineering output in the west is low and it will likely remain low relative to its competitors in the east.
Who isn't fucked desu? CPA have stagnant wages too. I guess it's BigLaw, Financebros, or Doctor as it always has been.

>>106165622
Did you get a better job or wishful thinking?

>>106165622
That's what we all think, and suddenly a year later you're in the same position at the same company.
Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

so i grad comp sci in 2023 (womp womp) couldnt find jobs and found some part time rlhf labeling gigs as a "data analyst", spent the last two years honing my craft and building non toy projects but real shit people use (like 1000+ users across my shit) How do break into the market?

>>106164825
Take your meds and stop being paranoid. I'll bet there isn't a single sign that your job is in danger right now.

>>106165882
Oh cute anon, you made your own little project? I'll make a picture of it and put it right in front of the company's fridge for everyone to see.

>>106165900
FINISHED WITH MY WOMAN 'CAUSE
SHE COULDN'T HELP ME WITH MY MIND
PEOPLE THINK I'M INSANE BECAUSE
I AM FROWNING ALL THE TIME

>>106165922
not one, but several. What else was I supposed to do? fuck yourself if you wana be a bitch ass

>>106165882

Take an SWE job for lower pay, like $70-80k, get a couple years in and start trading up

>>106165945
The market is impossible to break into right now. You need to have a degree, five year or more of relevant job experience using the right technologies, leetcode medium skills and enough social skills to not give HR Stacy the ick.

>>106165968
ok well im a square jaw chad and i can look people in the eye (humbly)

>>106165965
i dont mind the lower pay, i just want to break into the market literally anywhere.

>>106165965
Fuck man its over. The age of SWE's getting 200k starting is it. You are asking for SWE's to make IT mid career money instead of late career money.

>>106165622
are you europoor by any chance?

>>106165622
You definitely work at the same company as me...

Why do you have to be a professional negotiator to get a job these days?

>>106165945
Grad school

>>106166143
I got a job despite 4chan-tier autism because I was apparently the only person willing to work 40 hours a week with 2-3 days in office nearby.

>>106165622
hi me, i'm you!

why is every single white java dev bald

>>106166252
This is why I only program with Kotlin and take finasteride.

>>106166171
>They told you that
>You actually believed them

>>106166335
My salary is in line with what would be expected given my education and yoe. And I only have to drive like 10 minutes to work.

Is it over if I'm not a staff engineer at 26 yet?

>>106166171
This
There are people who bring their switch, steam decks, xboxes into the office every day and spend nearly 4 hours per day playing video games on the clock
I am considered a high quality employee and all it took was just doing the bare minimum of my job

I have been videogame-free for a week.
This is the longest amount of time I didn't touch videogames since my early childhood.
I'm very close to relapsing.

salesforce "development" doesn't feel real

>>106166405
>I'm very close to relapsing.
Funny, these day I almost have to force myself to start. Even when I do I only have the stomach for an hour or two.

>>106166405
I grew out of videogames as soon as I started working full time kek
I don't even know why, they just don't give me any joy anymore

>>106166405
I need to drop caffeine again. I'm super tired atm, it's fucking with my sleep -.-

>>106166462
I didn't play much after I started working, but I did eventually get back on it. I think the biggest turning point was getting a gaming PC.

>>106166405
>>106166437
>>106166462
>>106166510
You are so based and adult. Video games are for children.

>>106166405
I can't get bothered to play vidya anymore. Probably need to hit the gym again to get more motivation.

>>106166405
Been busy fixing the house up. Not that many projects but bored people tend to give themselves alot more shit to fix than what is actually required. The real churn is flipping in 5 years and moving. That is what causes you to pump more money and time into the house for ""<Renovations>"" that mostly pay off or atleast pay back the same amount that was put in. If you intend to keep it for longer like i do or for rent then basic maintenance can be completed in a year or 2. People say shit always breaks but often forget that these are the same people always upgrading shit.

>>106166547
Part of my adulthood is doing whatever the fuck I want.

>>106166547
>Video games are for children.
Not the kind of games I play.

Does anyone have a helpful resource to navigate job titles for this god-forsaken industry?
I've done 8 years of Help Desk 1/2/3 and System Admin.
Everyone I ask tells me that I shouldn't be looking for such low positions anymore, but they never say what I SHOULD be applying for.

I literally just want a job where I fuck with servers all day. Now they're telling mee I'm overqualified. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>106166643
Unironically ask ai.

>>106154302 (OP)
What's the state of tech jobs in Canada like right now? My coworker whose kid is in Waterloo says they can't find a job and that they're looking for "AI native" people. WTF is going on?

>>106166660
Jeetpoocalypse

>>106166643
>fuck with servers
Maybe if you worked in a maid cafe you could.

look up cloud, system admin, linux admin, and data centers. These job listings are mostly the same lane as working on servers just slightly different roles with major overlap.

>>106166676
Aren't the jeets on the way out? I've been seeing less and less recently.

>>106166643
Job titles don't mean anything anymore. I've seen companies where staff engineers work under senior engineers

>>106155512
newsflash: they arent meant to be passed. people are hiring friends, family, and alumni first before they will ever actually hire a cold apply. unless you are the 1 in 5 thousand rockstar that they are looking for.
this is assuming its not indians doing the hiring too

>>106166791
Tell me about it. I would do Azure architecture work under a Help Desk 1 contract.
Someone should [Insert fed-post here] some of these recruiters, MSPs, and agencies.

>>106166829
Hey azure how come i cannot find my email :C , this migration sucks ass btw.

Does anyone else hate how pajeets seem to randomly spawn in the office. Just saw three new pajeets that I never saw before on my floor. It’s like when the bathrooms collect enough poo a new stinkjeet spawns and picks out a desk

my company has no jeets but has remote dominicans

>client wants something that has specific restrictions due to laws
>client finds restriction is too cumbersome, asks for bypass
>client only uses thing with bypass now
What was the fucking point? To show that the system can respect the law and they just rather not?

>>106167202
Now THIS is relatable

>>106167202
Island spics like to fight over who is the top negro in the caribbean. Meanwhile their lazy cultures leaves most of their countries trashed filled heaps.

>>106166643
Get cloud certs and apply for DevOps jobs

Is a year or two job gap after school a death sentence? Is there any way to recover from it?

>>106167474
Nothing is a death sentence other than your death

any one else has a tech org with literally zero women
besides the hr roastie who phone screened me I have never seen another woman
it's not even awesome, it's weird and statistically puzzling

>>106167665
the overall engineering group has a handful of women; it's probably like 10 total out of 150 or something though kek. my specific team has none

I have a girl in my office who looks just Sydney Sweeney is so unfair bros

>>106167893
Ask her if she wants to grab drinks after work with you and some other female colleagues

>>106164421
Why would students and the chronically unemployed know anything about specific parts of the job market they've never been in?
Moreover it's full of drooling rice fever niggers and crabs in a bucket, get fucked

>>106167903
Shes for Chad in the integration or sales department. She doesnt want a low tier normie dicklet software developers

I only interviewed with this chinese girl for 1h and I'm sure I couldnt pick her out of a line up but I would marry her already

>>106167930
>sales
>chad
everyone in sales is pic related

How do I get a FAANG job? I want more money.

>>106164034
>>106168009
a lot of luck

>>106168009
Honestly Amazon or Microshit. They are both large enough to warrant a high churn over rate by proxy of their size. Amazon being notable for having bare bones entry standards into the company but it likes to run its workforce ragged. Good experience if you can land it. Microsoft, IBM and Oracle are more long term jobs but every now and then a niche field is open that pays bank.

>>106168049
Microsoft is filled to the brim with indians and you will get auto rejected if youre not one.

>>106168071
So Cisco & Google. Man the government is going to have to swap suppliers eventually.

>>106165900
i dont have any meds.
should i?

>>106168089
My buddy's been working at a big data company for like 6 years, that was acquired by cisco in the last couple years. He is the only remaining white person in his big ass division where he wrangles a hundred pajeets all day. It gets worse every day there somehow

>>106168282
splunk? yeah cisco is fucking cooked, their software is DOGSHIT

>>106168288
Yup lmao. No clue how he doesnt kill himself

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>>106168298
Forgot to mention as of late all his reports have started talking to each other in hindi in all their slack channels lmfao

>>106168314
The licenses, certification renewals and setting the standard for overpriced products has not helped them at all.

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>>106168288
yeah it's sad but still, I got the CCNA and landed a 130k job with no experience. Cisco ain't going anywhere

>>106165656
Yep. Medical fags will never get fucked, nor will they get replaced. Maybe some jobs in pharma will get automated but those will likely be lower level ones.

> BigLaw
That one is a lot shittier. With law the big bucks only come when you have your own business. Big law firms underpay their lawyers. It's similar to working for a consultancy in software engineering. The law firm sends the client a big bill but as lawyer you get paid maybe 1/10th of what the client is paying you per hour. The higher ups have it nice but you need a solid network to get there.

Finance has always been prone to automation and actual finance fires underperforms quickly. Accountancy and bookkeeping are still worthwhile pursuits but I feel like most of the number crunching is already automated so only the human and business process side of those jobs remain in tact.

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>>106165656
In addition the demand of medical professionals will increase in the west due to the increased amount of elderly who will experience all kinds of physical symptoms and problems. While a healthy 20-40yo will see the doctor maybe once every 3-5 years.

>>106163956
i retired in may with $850k net worth and now at $1m.

>>106163956
Idk what my number is. I'm just trying to save enough. Should hit $1m in April if things to to plan, but who knows

>>106169619
31 and have 80k USD in savings. Fiance got scammed building her house and owes the bank 500k. FML

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>>106156300
>You're a sensible person that focus on shit that matters and not at what doesn't?
>Here's a stale drawing!