Thread 106266689

I'm thinking of going back to school to become a quant or something...

Tech is boring and evil now.

Capitalism ruined tech. Indians did nothing wrong.

>>106266743
Saar many good needfuls in designated street saaaaaar.

>>106266689 (OP)
Tech is still fun as a hobby, but I wouldn't want to be the employed guy fixing things for people I don't like. Too many control freaks sought careers in tech to build a police state. Stop building/automating questionable things enrich wicked people.

>>106266689 (OP)
With an honorable mention to whoever decided to give women MBAs

>>106266689 (OP)
>wrong foundation
It was fine before the turn of the century. The Dot Com boom and bubble was the start of the end. Though the H1B program was introduced in 1991, initially it was used as intended, bringing in a small number of specialists to work temporarily until a local worker could be trained up. The Dot Com boom gave them justification for wholesale importation of generalists to make up a bulk of workers.
Once the tech world had a taste of cheap labor, it never was willing to go back the way things were. That's also when they got interested in lobbying the government to keep the cheap labor flowing. Early issues of Wired commented on how little interest Silicon Valley and the tech industry had in politics, especially national politics. DC might as well have been on a different planet. It wasn't 100% their newly found cheap labor addiction as the Microsoft antitrust trial also spooked the industry, but when Microsoft got a soft tap on the wrist as punishment, that factor was reduced.

>>106266766
Programmers gotta eat.

>>106266787
I wouldn't necessarily blame t he dot-com boom, it was the middle managers and bean-counters. But you're right: MS's anti-trust being a slap on the wrist instead of completely breaking them up (Facebook [formerly: Facebook] needs to have the same shit happen to them but without the slap, break them entirely up IMO) meant these companies could be emboldened and there wasn't shit the regulators could do.

You can ironically see it with Edge begging you to not install Chrome. The only reason they DON'T stop you is because they know the government would kick in and Europe (the only place that seems to give a fuck) would immeditately throw all Windows DVD-USB's into the ocean.

>>106266766
Some of us still don't have ipv6 address, a common problem in white countries.

this is ridiculous.

>>106266689 (OP)
>>106266787
>>wrong foundation
the problem is the modern world wide web, you retards. companies even decided to transform web browsers into desktop and mobile applications, as well as putting javascript everywhere. and that's only the tech side. then you have ads, social networks, glowies, etc. and the shit becomes more complicated and shittier.

>>106266743
99% of tech innovation comes from the most free markets, sorry rajesh

>>106266743
Endless greed from MBAs who don't know up from down is the root cause, but the flood of indians is clearly the most prominent, horrible expression of the problem. It's underrated how demoralizing and soul destroying it is to have to talk to indians who don't know anything and can't be understood, it's extremely stressful.

>>106266766
coding linux is cool if you dont value your time

>>106266689 (OP)
This is like blaming mexican immigrants for ruining arm jobs

normies need to get the rope
or a trowel
or a table saw
this is why the seething about H1bs is retarded
you're literally incapable of giving a shit about technology

>>106266743
Indians are the weapon that MBAs used to murder tech.

>>106266689 (OP)
the whole economy is a ponzi scheme, is that what you're saying, OP?

>>106267600
It's asinine to pretend that filling up communication heavy jobs with people nobody can understand is a good or even a neutral thing. It makes the world worse in a huge way.

>>106266743
Capitalism invented tech you dumbass

the glowies won https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmV49ogMDEI

>>106268503
passionate people invent tech, capitalism just roadblocks any progress unless there is some jewish pedo that would profit from the invention

>>106266689 (OP)
At first I kinda had mixed feelings when my life choices forced me to switch from CE to regular engineering studies but now, I am kinda happy with my choices.

>>106266689 (OP)
>I'm thinking of going back to school to become a quant or something...
Who's going to tell him?

>>106266689 (OP)
No one cares about third world like India or USA.
Also sounds like he surrounded himself by grifters who do CS only for money.
Programmers I respect do it out of passion.

>>106266689 (OP)
The pressure of responsibility for past and ongoing decisions, often made under stress, diminish IT job satisfaction.

>>106267210
>99% of tech innovation comes from the most free markets
What a load of horseshit.
All innovation comes from state-sponsored institutions.
Private companies don't innovate shit - it's too expensive and risky for them.
They may put what was innovated by someone else into a neat consumer-friendly package but that's it.
They never create anything new.

>>106268630
>unless there is some jewish pedo
I wonder...

>>106266689 (OP)
None of these people would go into trades without first getting rich off IT.
A carpenter would swap his job with a FAGMAN code monkey in a heartbeat

>>106266775
Racist bitch. Say that in public, not online, and see what happens.

>>106268816
>All innovation comes from state-sponsored institutions.

>>106266689 (OP)
>Tweet is about developers feeling alienated by working jobs so abstract and specialized that they never derive any gratification from it and waiting a career in which they produce something tangible which they can share with others
>election tourists make it about H1B workers instead

>>106266689 (OP)
>become a quant
so you are a faggot crying nobody will pay you millions for nothing

>>106269086
>and see what happens.
You mean a street shitting incident? Didn't your father die like that?

>>106269251
fucking kek

>>106269208
>what is DARPA

>>106266689 (OP)
I started keeping bees a few years ago

>>106269208
>he smugly hits post before remembering what internet is

>>106266743
Do not fuckin redeem bloody

>>106266743
SAAR!

>>106266689 (OP)
due to outsourcing and automation, i think the only sustainable long-term careers for really any field of work are now in state and local government. (definitely not federal government because zognald re-set a precedent of mass firings at every regime change.)

>>106268816
You either die a hero or live ling enough for the cia/nsa to start secretly running your company like google, microsoft, intelaviv, all of telecommunications, etc. I'm sure they also secretly have a hand in aws and pushing cloud as well.

>>106266743
Is this even in the Jeet Copedex or is this a new cope?

>>106269292
>>106269368
You know the way xe worded xis shitpost I can destroy it with one instance of a non-state sponsored innovation?

Tech is cool as a hobby. Nothing more.

>>106270688
You do realize that even when a private company does something remotely innovative it's only because they got a public grant for that, right?

>>106266780
Does matter how good the tech is if the software is shit

>>106269230
mosquito repel.

>>106266689 (OP)
>No one is willing to publicly admit it
You just did tho?

>>106267161
>then you have ads
Advertisement, in itself, isn't bad: buy a car magazine, see car ads. The problem is they used advertising as an excuse upon which to latch the surveillance state. Now the (((advertisers))) need to track your every move to know how to better manipulate you into buying their products. Then whether the gov saw the potential and coopted or the corps just bought the gov, doesn't matter. It's now one single entity taking more of more of your remaining freedom while shifting the blame to the other side whenever they get caught.

>>106266689 (OP)
What is that nixCraft post about?

>>106266743
Everything indians do is wrong

it's always codemonkeys bitching about their jobs because they're too low-iq to get into an interesting field.

Tech under white men was a craft. It was deliberate, it was focused on the process, on quality, on standards and patterns and design. They would spend weeks arguing about the right way to do something. This is why things were performant, optimized, reliable.

Tech under jeets is a factory. A slop factory where their only metric is speed and quantity of deliverables. It doesn't matter how it's achieved. The word "tech debt" doesn't exist. Everything cascades and snowballs and turns into dogshit that breaks daily. It's a crisis for sure. Most of us went into this for the craft and then got turned into factory workers with retards at the whips, and we want out.

>>106271708
>Pooja Supplies
Kek.
Ja, ja, poo please!

>>106266689 (OP)
90% of tech workers hate it. It just paid very well

>>106270688
I'm really looking forward to the newest advancement in psychological warfare and Stasi technology, uh sorry marketing that the private sector shat out this week.

>>106271962

At this stage in time, with everything they expect us to do, know, learn on the daily, I'm actually confident that your average senior level SWE is 98th percentile in terms of cognitive load. It's been made worse by the rise of cloud services/DevOps (they expect you to handle the infra now), the rise of full stack (you need to know multiple languages, frameworks), and distributed systems. It's actually positively insane. Any time I talk to someone else about their job it's straightforward, contextually limited stuff. Modern tech wants their SWEs to be Atlas, and if you're not, they're sending your job to India.

indians are putrid vermin.

>>106271989
so why did whites let jeets take over tech?

>>106272028
bean counters and execs who have no experience working with indians just see how much money they can save by paying indians one tenth of what they pay whites/asians

>>106272028

The process went like this

>original founders are doer/engineer types and hire/promote similar engineer types to lead engineering
>the founders retire/sell out/get bought, whatever
>MBAs and pure business types get hired into the leadership roles instead and have 0 knowledge of how engineering actually works
>they quickly hire jeets for the lower pay/higher hours to make their books look good, as far as they know deliverables are keeping pace so they're happy
>those jeets get into manager/leadership roles and only hire other jeets
>now the problem is rapidly picking up
>eventually they take over 80% of the department

It's like an invasive species. Naive, retarded white business types don't understand that these people are playing the clannish long game and avidly prefer their own. They got gamed and scammed just like any other white grandma picking up a scam call, except it was corporate scale.

>>106266689 (OP)
People burn out in code because it's utterly fake and soulless. Many software projects are creating problems and selling solutions, when you're a plumber you're actually making people's lives better.

>>106272062
Having a co-worker sitting next to you smelling literally worse than excrement can cause rather rapid burnout regardless of the soulful nature of the situation.

>>106266689 (OP)
>No one is willing to publicly admit it, but pajeets permaruined IT for everyone
and who let them in?

answer that question and you'll know who to actually blame.

>>106272223
You can point to the cause of a problem.
But the problem is still there.

>>106268503
>>106267210
If you faggots knew anything about tech history you wouldn't say such dumb shit

>>106271708
>putting cow dung near your baby as a mosquito repellent
are poojeets serious?

>>106271789
>Advertisement, in itself, isn't bad: buy a car magazine, see car ads
I find this an extremely funny assertion when it comes from lovers of capitalism and free markets.
you know what usually drives capitalism? greed, the lust for power and more and more money. isn't that usually said to be part of human nature? then ads are INHERENTLY bad, because human greed has no bounds, and as long as there are technical means to manipulate people into buying your shit, people and especially companies will always try to exploit them.

>>106272410
They are very serious when it comes to ingesting cow excrement and urine alongside exposing their children to said practices (as well as protecting from mosquitoes, of course)!

>>106272411
>lust for more and more money
You're a fucking retard.
Now explain where money comes from.

>>106271989
>Tech under jeets is a factory.
No wonder they love Java and the factory design pattern.

>>106272410
To be fair its not that dirty and has antimicrobial properties, its basically old grass.

>>106272524
>To be fair
About eating cow shit?
Sure... sure...
Pull the udder one, pajeet.

>>106266743
thank you

>>106266711
this is the actual cause >>106267552

>>106266743
Yep. Capitalism uses Indians as scab labor. Beat up the scabs all you want, they deserve it, but don't forget that the bosses deserve it more.

>>106272223
Bill gates and Bill clinton, faggot democrats hand in hand flooding the united states with nonwhites after giving them our technology.

https://news.microsoft.com/source/1997/03/04/bill-gates-technology-investments-will-make-india-an-economic-and-software-superpower/

>>106272458
>deflecting the topic with technicalities
good goy

>>106266743
what the fuck kind of retarded jeetcope™ is this?

>>106266801
remember when orrin hatch extorted bill gates live on CSPAN in front of god and everyone?
tech companies famously spent zero on lobbying up until then. now microsoft has one of the fanciest, most palatial buildings in DC, and that's saying something. it was a slap because the money started flowing into DC. all of the other tech companies followed suit.

>>106272857
*Starts money printer*
That was easy!
>Note: your failure to comprehend the basics of this matter is not just why you are woefully wrong, but completely fail to understand capitalism and hence unable to correctly or convincingly critique it as a concept or any implementation

>>106271789
Can we just switch to mining crypto in the background to fund the web already?
The fact we haven't yet tells you what the real purpose of ads are.

>>106273013
Exactly. When Brendan "cancelled before it was cool" Eich first proposed it, Big Tracker came out of the woodwork to claim it was le bad and everybody fell for it.

>>106272947
how does central banking and the money printer contradict ANYTHING of what I said?
you keep moving the goalposts, because you are afraid of admitting the truth: your ideology is fucking retarded, it exists to justify this system, and the world sucks because of it.

>>106267210
Everything you used to type your shitcovered message was invented by the state or by monopolies.

>>106266689 (OP)
What ruined IT is that idiots heard that tech is a stable career with high pay and rushed to pig out at the trough of VC money.

>>106269086
The funny thing is that being racist toward Indians is the one kind of racism that the leftsts in the tech industry are dead quiet about. They'll scream their stupid heads off about the most trivial shit but not anti-Indian or anti-H1-B slurs. Fucking hypocrites.

>>106272061
>"rich white Christian bankers".
lol.

>>106273334
This anon got it. The investment is drying up. Simple as.

The problem is not just (in) tech, the rot runs deeper.

Fundamentally, society is just polluted. It feels unhealthy. Like bathing in open sewage.

You just instinctively want to get out of it ASAP

>>106266689 (OP)
I left IT to become a geologist. I think it was worth it.

When I first started studying technology, tech was fun and cool and there was hope for the future. Now there's only despair. The only tech "innovations" we can look forward to now are more dystopian bullshit and more subhuman AI slop shitting up the internet. Silicon valley soidevs wake up every day trying to come up with new ways of making everything worse for everyone. It's a horrible time to be alive.

>>106266689 (OP)
Most tech isn't for smart people anymore. That's why OS autism fails. OpenBSD is 10x faster than Linux. Does anyone care?
https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/is-OpenBSD-10x-faster-than-Linux
So tech isn't ruined. IT is mostly a mature industry for semi-competent wagies sipping their pumpkin spice lattes.

>>106271989
>>106271989

As much as I'd love for a simple explanation such as this one to explain reality, it was the white man who outsourced IT jobs to India because of greed...

Open your mind.