Thread 106312727

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• Tempotec Variations V1 - $130
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106284387

Trypophobia pos.

Sean Olive's new work appeared on AES today

https://mega.nz/file/GeohWKpB#twBhFiBZKZSJc4muagvy8A2_CQdHgCYBhCLcrssgEyQ

So softears makes customs? Can you get them from ali? Animal IEMs are endgame.

>>106312807
they always had the option in China but i'm not sure overseas, their weibo is full of examples https://weibo.com/n/Softears

>>106312780
>A Sennheiser Momentum IE headphone waschosen
When will he learn.
>3kHz is useless
We know. Mids don't exist. Should have adjusted 5kHz or 200Hz, or both.

>>106312780
even class 3 listeners didn't like raw 5128 DF...

>>106312972
5128 has a bad pinna.

>>106312780
Is no one going to comment on the fact that preference is also variable and changing dependent on listening time?
What might sound good for 2 minutes could get horribly fatiguing after hours of listening. What sounds dull and boring for the first minute may actually be the real preference for long sessions and be more “accurate”

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106313176
discussed ad nauseam, preference is mostly static through time
read toole

>>106313176
the way you perceive sound also changes because of mood, weather, fatigue or time of the day.

>portable MUSIC player
>just about the lowest fidelity way to listen to music in 2025
What went wrong.

>>106313839
Inaudible.

>>106314440
The lack of PEQ is very audible.

>>106312780
They use music that sounds too bright and has no bass, and then they find out that people increase the bass, wow! How about using properly produced, modern music, not this no-bass 80s shit.

>>106310402
EQ guide is useless the way it's currently written.
The guy from the last thread who called it "scientistic drivel" is pretty spot on.

I just went to a random spot in it and copy and pasted a random paragraph

>In a (unreleased as of writing) MOA (method of adjustment) study, listeners had three possible adjustments they could configure on the B&K 5128's DF response: ±12 dB shelf filters for bass and treble, and a +6/-10 dB peak filter at 3 kHz. Listeners were first able to tilt the response in both ways, then fine tune the bass and treble filters, and finally adjust the 3 kHz filter. Results indicate that on average, listeners preferred a -1 dB/oct. slope in the first step. Small increases in bass and decreases in treble was common in step 2, and step 3 had little changes. Cluster analysis revealed 4 different classes, all having varying levels of bass and treble preferences: the silhouette score, a measure of cohesion and separation of objects to their own and other clusters, of most of them are on the weak side due to the MOA having 3 separate variables.

This reads like an academic journal or something, and most of the guide is written this way. It's just an absolute slog and a chore to get through and to extract anything meaningful out of.

Hey idiots new endgame just dropped

I have added the batch of AES papers that just became available. Most (if not all) of them are from the Headphone Technology convention, so they are all relevant. The title of each paper has been modified to match the paper title, as both the AES and files have errors (mainly with spaces between words).

While I haven't read all of them, many are very interesting and cover a wide range of topics. Only one or two are of questionable quality/rigor, but I have included them anyways.

I will not highlight any particular paper, please read whichever interest you. The MoA study is now also available for those that were wondering about its description in the EQ guide concerning the Harman Target. There is one open-access paper that is currently locked/encrypted, I will include it when it becomes accessible.

As for the other anon, I will modify the wording with regards to measurement procedures involving IR to minimize potential confusion, but the specifics of measurement processing is not within the scope. It might be interesting to create a page on the history of measurement methods; if you are interested in doing that, feel free and I will include it in the guide.

>>106314845
As explained multiple times, the guide is not only meant to provide instructions and steps to using EQ, but also in-depth information on relevant acoustics and research for IEMs. The Rigs, Curves, and Targets section is one such case, being the most technical of any section. Targets and their use for EQ are covered in earlier parts of the How to EQ section without being technical.

>>106314914
Nobody gives a fuck about acoustic research, most of it is for companies who want to develop zogchow that appeals to the lowest common denominator.

>>106314900
looks like a kz iem

>>106315001
Then you do not have to read the technical parts of the EQ guide.

>>106315001
>zogchow
food for the zionist occupation government?

can't decide between hane and fission, fml
i want both

Let me translate what this >>106314845 troglodyte is actually saying. This is what he calls "scientistic drivel". He did not get to the "press the EQ button on the Autoeq website" stage. He did not get to the "try different targets" stage. He did not get to the "try using different IEMs as targets" stage. He did not get to the "adjust things by ear to your liking" stage. No. His brain turned off at the intro. This is the absolute limit of his cognitive ability. When he says nobody read it, he means he didn't read it, and he did have breakfast this morning.

>>106315448
nobody got anywhere because nobody has read the eq guide

>>106315615
How would you feel if somebody read the EQ guide?

>>106315625
nothing since nobody has or will read the eq guide

>>106315625
happy for guidezo, but it will never happen

>

/iemg/ facts:
>nobody has ever read the eq guide
>epz is shit
>half the thread is troons
>the other half are brown thirdies
>soience is a psyop

>>106314914
You should create a section only for Spatial Audio related topics outside of "How to EQ", it looks too cluttered as it is.

Juzear Defiant or Kiwi Ears Cadenza for a first IEM?
I bought a QKZ VK4 many years ago, but since then moved into TWS (currently using a Huawei Freebuds Pro 3), but want to dip my toes in IEMs again.

>>106315861
I got the Juzear defiant today, it's very nice. Running it with Dunu S&S tips
for less than 100 bucks its a good package, nice IEM, good cable and travel case

>>106315861
nothing impressive about both
check the op and shopping guides
if you to dive super deep, read the eq guide

is guidezo behind all the "no one reads the eq guide" posts, or does this guide really make some retards seethe? or are these company shills?

>>106315972
Could be any one of us...
Hell, it could even be Jim...
Anyways remember to buy the Nora!

>>106316000
I mean if anything this makes me want to read it RIGHT NOW, so it must be someone who wants people to read it. I'm calling guidezo is samefagging

>>106316014
Have fun then, I can't read...

>>106314914
The only interesting paper you missed. https://aes2.org/publications/elibrary-page/?id=22943
>inb4 i can't open it! it's restricted!
Open it on Edge with a school account.

/iemg/ facts:
>no one itt listens to music
>no one itt enjoys music
>everyone itt has no friends
>everyone itt thinks contrarianism will make them cool
>everyone itt are seething virgins

>>106316084
We only listen to real music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj2rmoSryfs

>>106316040
The file is locked and requires permission from the file author. It seems to be from Harman's Sharepoint so only users in that organization can access it.
Either way, the file is meant to be open access, so this is an issue on AES and the authors' side.

>>106312727 (OP)
>• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
should I buy whatever the fuck this is or buy another pair of final e1000s?

>>106316146
tanch has a thicker nozzle. hit-or-miss fit, otherwise decent. zero ultima is fine as well if you don't care about replaceable cable (cables cost as much as a whole extra pair of zero/one anyways)

>>106315936
nobody has ever read the eq guide

This is real music according to sean olive: https://youtu.be/bWCBNx4emfY
harman is shit because THIS is what they use for their listening tests. sorry guys, if I say I eq to 5128 DF, then it is because I don't listen to music with dogshit production (and if I do, then I can apply high- and lowshelf filters in my music player for this track only). If you listen exclusively to Jennifer Warnes, then by all means avoid raw DF like the plague and make deliberate use of shelf filters until the sound is bearable.

>>106316181
>cables cost as much as a whole extra pair of zero/one anyways
well that's the only reason I was even considering them. I've gone through three pair of finals because of cable fuckery, time to get a fourth I guess.

>>106316217
not my type of music but it was fine

>>106316217
You're listening to jazz lmao.

>>106316224
In comparison to what you usually listen to, this recording did have enough bass and it was not too bright? Now I start to understand...

>>106316287
seems pretty average for this style of music, bass is not meant to standout here, and it gives more space for the other tracks

>>106316040
downloaded it no problem

>>106316302
>bass is not meant to standout here
apparently it is, when even the class 3 listeners cranked up the bass in the listening test

I listen to stuff like
https://soundcloud.com/sapisvr/50g
and still prefer more bass and less treble than in Harman.

>>106316316
what does that have to do with the music program? this is a matter of listener preference, we already know that class 3 listeners prefer a bit more bass than whatever baseline harman is using

>>106316331
>I listen to a 30 Hz sine wave and some white noise

>>106316352
Nothing important above 100Hz anyway.

>>106316344
The problem is that the Harman curve is based on three songs that are, in my opinion, too bass shy and bright. We don't know how strong the influence of the music is in the listeners' decisions; would they set the filters the same if they listened to these songs on flat speakers in a typical listening room? Only if they don't apply any filters on speakers, then I'd say the study is valid; but if they set the bass to, say, +2 dB on speakers, then it's the recording and they should subtract these 2 dB from the results when listening to iems. I'm not buying the "the music doesn't matter, even when it's overly bright or warm it doesn't have any influence on the filters applied".

>>106316436
read the whole body of work, check the papers in the gazette archive
the sean olive blog folder has the papers on music program, preference testing, etc

>>106316436
>We don't know
you mean you don't

>>106316461
you are right, I should study the material, as I don't know anything about this. In the end, I don't develop audio hardware and I don't have to tune stuff that I want to sell to people, so it's not important to me, and I'm not going to spend much time on this. I'm confident in how my audio gear sounds, to me it's just fascinating to see this boosted bass everywhere, and I really don't get it. I will stop with the "raw DF" memes. I am the odd one, Olive wouldn't even classify me, he would just discard my data as an outlier.

>>106316507
top kek

>>106316525
i say don't worry about it too much, you're not all that strange in the land of audiophools. seriously, you can find others with taste 10 times weirder than yours which in the end is just a brighter than average sound signature

>>106316525
embarrassing
the most confident ones are always the most fucking stupid

>>106304840
>No Patrina, you still won't be a woman

>>106315908
How's the comfort? I have a quite small ear canal on the left side

>>106316507
Zeos Pantera listening to something that's not anime music and/or child porn

>>106316525
I'm so tired of reading your fucking drivel
Look at this and explain to me how possible can you hear bass when you EQ to raw DF. Are you listening at 100 dB or something?

>>106316567
>bitch with stockholm syndrome
kek, so fitting
>slopchi the dogshit
>shartman tranny tuck
seems about right

>>106316799
>the trannies are posting charts again as if they could eq their gender or that it would mend their relationship with their father

well?

>>106316884
marketing fluff like every other semi open pos that has come out in the last half decade

>>106316884
Semi-open... so... not open...

>>106316799
>I'm so tired of reading your fucking drivel
>Anyway, tell me more about it

>>106316751
pretty comfortable for me, using medium size tips rn
the previous set i was using (KZ ZS10 Pro x) did hurt my ears though, these don't fwiw

>>106316884
>ALLOWING DYNAMIC DRIVER TO BREATH
fucking idiots

>>106316834
>>106316901
gay answers that fail to address the substance of the question
embarrassing

>>106316969
why argue charts in circles for the nth time, shake it up a little

>>106317022
people have been discussing auditory hallucinations for decades

is there a way to compare the simgot EW300 DSP against the aria 2 red? I keep trying to do it with the guide but one wont show up on the graph unless I open another tab

>>106317022
bro you aren't even intelligent enough to understand what equal loudness contours are. Exclude yourself from the discussion

>>106316969
here's your answer: 60 Hz is 6 dB lower when eq'd to raw df than without eq. Why would it not be audible?

>>106317083
https://graph.hangout.audio/iem/5128/?share=EW300_DSP_Pink,Aria_2
https://jaysaudio.github.io/?share=ARIA_2_RED,EW300_DSP_RED
click the +, clicking on the name removes every other model

>>106317051
>>106317114
>I can hear a chart
Chart fortunetelling was DOA desu

>>106317116
it's in the picture
Read the equal loudness contours and tell me how loud 60 Hz should be to be equally loud to 1k?

>>106317178
>oh yeah time to trust this 56 yo war veteran with multitone tinnitus

>>106317182
If I have anechoically flat speakers, and put them inside a good listening room, and I'm playing two sine waves, one with frequency 60 Hz and the other one 1 kHz, are they equally loud? (The room is big enough to not have a room mode at 60 Hz.)

>>106317215
no because speakers are really bad and distort like crazy

>>106317215
why 60? why not 20? fucking thing should be 40 dB louder to be equal to 1k
Bass should be pretty loud to be hearable in the first place. The point is EQing bass the fuck out is insane in the first place but then complaining about harman's choice of music for testing is doubly insane

>>106314914
>As for the other anon, I will modify the wording with regards to measurement procedures involving IR to minimize potential confusion,
>but the specifics of measurement processing is not within the scope
It was a mix of commentary and thoughts on the subject. It wasn't delineated clearly as guide suggestions. Conversation point more like.

>>106317779
Right, but it was still valuable insight and commentary and so happens to be useful for parts of the guide, so I appreciate it a lot.

>>106317779
Eli5 picrel

>>106318207
its tranny gibberish

>>106318207
Posted while half asleep. Slide from a presentation by Wolfgang Klippel around 76 minutes in.
https://mega.nz/file/2pohyTAb#DNaoGwo_jI60-ZhtjLVYu39SZXhoA4PtFl3sVieHLvU

Electrodynamic drivers (moving coil, planar dynamic) move by the Lorentz Force. Force = B-field * coil Length * Current. Or
F = B*L*I

Increasing BL can increase available force, although it's not that simple at all frequencies (see Faraday's Law and its interaction near the driver's mass-spring frequency Fs).
>that pic
It shows BL plotted against voice coil position. BL is central to how the driver works, and modulating it with voice coil movement is a central cause of audio distortion. By shortening (or lengthening) the top plate past the voice coil, BL can be stabilized over some small displacements. But this does not ideally focus the magnetic field onto the coil.

>more efficient
Even hyper-compressed music still has a 6dB crest factor: peak power level is four times greater than the average. A driver spends most of its time near the center point, so you could extract more driver efficiency by sacrificing driver linearity over stroke length. Most loudspeaker drivers are somewhere between 0.1 to 1% efficient. Small telephone speakers and headphones are even worse, so any efficiency increase is appreciated.
This doesn't work if the driver needs available displacement for low frequencies. Klippel's goal is to incorporate the driver into a feedback and prediction system to control the distortion products.

>>106318891
that's not eli5
also what does it all mean for sound quality music etc? what does "efficiency" means here on practice?

>>106318891
Do you have a consistent method to downloading the AES Live videos?

>>106319082
>bro doesn't have Video DownloadHelper

>>106315304
fml im still debating
any thots?

>>106319420
Get fission if you're going to use the USB C termination w/ PEQ, otherwise get Hane. The analog tuning options on the Hane are better, but the downside is it needs more power than most pos which could be a problem if you're listening at extreme volumes.

>>106319065
nta but the gist of it is that you can have more efficiency by optimizing for BL at cost of increased linearity
just makes shit louder and stuff, not really important in our case

>>106319065
nta but the gist of it is that you can have more efficiency at the cost of increased distortion
just makes shit louder and stuff, not really important in our case

Hiby R1 vs Fiio JM21 vs M300? US based anon, looking to play locally stored music

!!NEW!! Sony Inzone 1DD (5mm driver) $110

>>106319621
Comes with a dongle too, aimed for gamers but... looks COMFY

>>106319621
sony are fucking out of their fucking minds LMAO

The end of squiglink is near! Get ready! Better EQ, better AutoEQ algorithms, easier to use.

>>106319856
cool stuff shartur, now fuck off

>>106319621
>literally copied bl-03 shell (fucking terrible choice, shit fit that never seals)
>5mm driver
>90% likelihood it's tuned worse than a bl-03
pffffffffffffft ahahahahaha

>>106319856
buy an ad smelly retard

>>106319912
>designed by honorary aryans
>no metal shell, no condensation issues
>clean design
>dongle with dsp
you can't understand the superiority..
but i got the price wrong, it's $150 outside of Nippon

>>106319942
>rubber cable will disintegrate like OG chu, prob microphonic as fuck
>yeah no condensation issues because people can't actually wear it or seal
>dongle is prob hissy dogshit
"nippon superiority,"... assembled in taiwan with chinese components

Can someone advise as to whether Chinese companies have finally solved microphonics with IEM cables, and if so, who did? As of 2023 they were all still very microphonic.

>>106320006
>As of 2023
get with the times and stop buying pos gramps

>>106320013
Okay, so what is not a “pos”?

>>106319856
that's cool
still useless cause it's taking 711 measurements from random sources

>>106319856
auto eq button on any squig will do this in 1 second automatically

>>106320188
Not random. Only the best couplers. You can also upload your graph.

>>106320197
define best couplers

>>106320200
Low delta error against RA00045.

>>106320196
PEQdB Studio will take 0.2 sec.

ummmm.... snowsky echo nano when bros?

Recently, all samples for Lost Manor have been confirmed, and each component will gradually enter the mass production phase in one week. If everything goes smoothly, this mass production process will take at least one month (the headphone faceplate process is very complex, with low production efficiency). After all components are mass-produced, they will need to undergo screening, assembly, testing, and other processes, which will take at least one week to complete the first batch of official products (a batch might consist of around 100 units).

This is just my conservative schedule estimate, as there are too many uncertainties in the production process, so the official announcement has been delayed. Please wait patiently
>t. jim

>>106320284
wait for the 2026 Pro version soon(tm)

>>106320288
See you all on the flip side!

>>106320030
4-16 core cable, soft plastic sheath, moderate gauge

>>106319545
hiby r1:non-Android
jm21:most power
m300:most battery life
+shanling m1 plus:non-Android,volume wheel

>>106320335
I'm probably between the r1, m1 plus, and m300. m300 I read changes the sampling though.

Any reason to not go with the R1 at current sale price? Below 60 shipped

>>106320359
in context of sales price, can't really criticize r1. plastic, not "flagship," screen or cpu, but that's pretty irrelevant for simple use case. it works well enough as an audio player, with clean output.

>wired iems with pmps are coming back in fashion
oh boy.

>>106320389
previously I used a sansa clip+ and then a hidizs AP60 II which the back literally seperated from the dap after heat melted the glue. The battery also went to shit on it.

I have a couple old iPods I could flash mod but surely those aren't better than a modern dap, even entry level?

>>106320615
they are probably better than the chinkiest of chinkshit like for example the surfans in the op

>>106319621
Legacy companies are so behind China it's actually insane. These cables belong in 2016.

>>106321222
cable looks better than anything chinese other than the turdear gato.

>>106321584
it looks like old kz cables from 2016 lmao

I dug out my failure of an ipod out and started syncing my library to it yesterday
The stock software is pretty nice honestly think I'm gonna remove rockbox.
I'd rather something smaller but chinks still can't into UI.

>>106319621
Sony now have three companies doing audio lmao

Hey so, I'm wasn't that interested in good audio but someone left this out near my house and I already have two decent bookshelf speakers lying around.

Is there a way I can unfuck this? I am comfortable with soldering basics, but I know jack shit about the workings of electrical stuff.

>>106322116
That looks like you only need to solder in a new power cable.
Of course, disassembling it will be a chore, based on how fucking big it is.

>>106319621
>>106319636
>>106319942
absolute dogshit

>>106322134
Am I understanding correctly?
>disassemble
>unsolder the cable from the mobo
>solder new one
>reassemble
Do you know what kind of cable I need? Also is it easier to snip a new cable and solder the new to the old one?
I found this cable so far 'IEC C7 Power Cable Figure 8 Power Extension Cord'

>>106316884
This will make the trannies seethe uncontrollably.

Bee approved iem, I will purchase this, send link.

Is it me or is the sound more or less the same across the board. I can't hear yhe dffierence had the original tinhifis, several kz and 7hz. All the same, went down the bass head path and got me a legato, want that subwoofer csr vibe. Thoughts?

Anybody here with experience on Aful 5+2? I'm thinking to upgrade from my Arias which sound great but one side went quiet in the classic Niggerdrop fashion. Metal/folkfag btw.

>>106322735
>Is it me or is the sound more or less the same across the board
everything is tuned to harman so yeah
there's still difference

Is there an iem or flathead that sounds like the ksc75? I just want a more portable version without bothering other people in the office

Working my way toward PR3 and PRX

>>106323772
why?

>>106318207
here

>>106322462
>Fall hook, line, and sinker for audiophool jargon to own le troonies xD

Another successful day of IEM shopping

>>106324712
why do you buy so many KZ IEM's?

>>106320508
PMPs are an incel childfucker meme

>>106324749
AP80 Pro X chads rise up

>>106324388
what color is your iem?

>>106312780
>>106314707
nigger cattle opinion don't matter studies like that are almost worthless shartur has more credibility than them unironically

>>106322766
>aful 5+2
we've had a variety of user impressions over time. hit-or-miss (like any iem, because frankly impressions don't matter much).
simply put versus aria:
p5+2:clinical, technical
aria:natural, smooth
doesn't necessarily mean better/worse, just different. if you want a sharper edge to treble details, 5+2 prob a fine choice. if you prefer music to sound warm, bassy and "chill," there may be better choices.
>one side went quiet
it's just the nozzle filters, quickly replaced for a few $

>>106323746
just get any like listed in op or shopping guide. they sound good for the cheap price, which is why they are rec'd.

>>106324712
2 superb IEMS for $11 WOW
feelsbad for the people going for bunny and gate

life really is a continuous cycle, guess we're going back to kz shilling

>>106325394
more like newfags are a continuous cycle. prominent guy spamming here and hpg is the retard driving 20 different $5 pos off tube and r2r. he'll get tired of the shit in 6 months and realize how much money he dumped into trash gear.

>>106324712
you're buying the same drivers btw. kz makes a few first batches of models, then silently revises them to have worse drivers, altered tuning, etc.

and they're always profiting off you no matter how cheap you think you're getting them. they sell the same driver for as cheap as $2.50, still profiting. you're just scamming yourself with different exterior shells like a total dumbass noob.

>>106325428
>realize how much money he dumped
20 times $5 is $100. That's $100 spent on 20 IEMs

very gratifying to see that during my 3 day ban, people shat on epz and eqguidefucker for me as I sat and watched. quality driver believers, rise up. I salute your adam's apples

>>106325170
thanks for the response
I used to suck on the nozzle and that'd fix it for a few hours
guess I'l see if I can find my Aria box again with the extra filters

>>106323772
>PRX
pr3 has insane treble extension. prx is way more balanced with good and full bass response.

>>106325644
I kneel...

>>106325644
>no VPN tech in india
it's so over

man what is wrong with /hpg/tards, they can't even manage a single thread let alone a whole gen

>>106325394
>>106325428
>>106325479
>>106325549
>>106325644
thank you saar I won't redeem the earbud

>>106325735
>going out of your way to hammer shitposts on 4chan
noty lol. I came to the conclusion that at the very least, eqguidefuck/epzfucker are jannies. will bait you into a flame war and then simply ban you. best cope I have ever encountered

>>106325752
i'm about 96% sure that guidezo and foxzo are one and the same

>>106325786
honestly, taking into consideration they samefag and pretend to be like 2-3 anons at any given time...even replying to themselves for validation.

either way, techs and shit.

>>106325752
Schizobro... I got a 3 day vacation for shitposting too...
(I didn't screenshot my b& but they did delete my shitposts, compare with desu w/ 4chan's archive)
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106284387/#q106284592

>>106325479
Realistically, is this any different than buying IEMs with anime characters on the boxes?

>>106325934
tfw I learned true aryans have big lips, wide nose, nappy hair, resting angry expression and a moustache with a gap in the middle

>>106325981
And they wear airpods upside down.

>>106326012
of course!

>>106325846
yeah my ban was for the reply to yours that got you banned HAH

Aful Explorer or Ziigaat Arcadia? They use the same drivers. Want something with good bass and mids and non-existing treble. Explorers are cheaper.

>>106326083
>They use the same drivers
drivers do not matter for 99.99999% of users, including you. stick to FR
>Want something with good bass and mids and non-existing treble. Explorers are cheaper.
both have similar levels of treble (very low) but the arcadia sounded more natural in the mids for me. bass was also a lot of pronounced
i say go for the explorer and if you're not satisfied return them. they're decent and fit your wants

My portable music player is a phone. Are HiBy Music, UAPP, Neutron and Onkyo still the only players that can bypass Android resampling while using an external dac? Android 14 has been out for some time... Wasn't it supposed to introduce some way to bypass resampling? I don't really like the four players I listed, but I am able to tolerate HiBy Music for now.

>>106326197
Resampling has no real disadvantages and a couple of real advantages.

>>106326197
>resampling meme
>in 2025
every day is a new low

why is epz g10 so good, bros?

>>106326212
>>106326232
Lol. I know it doesn't matter subjectively or objectively. I just find it fun to do bit-perfect playback. No rational justification, sorry.
>a couple of real advantages
What are they? Is it because some dacs might perform worse at higher sample rates? I always listen at 44.1khz.

>>106326321
if you eq, do you ever set any negative pregain? if yes, what's the lowest you set it?

>>106326321
>What are they?
Some DACs have a delay when you switch sample rates so if your library has mixed sample rates you won't have gapless playback. If the DAC has a slow reconstruction filter it can reduce some audible frequencies. Resampling solves both of these problems, even if they are quite niche.

feels weird seeing iemg be a lot more caught up with modern literature and science compared to hpg

>>106326410
It completely tracks with 30 years old models still dominating the headphone market. They have defined hd600 as neutral... why bother researching anything else?

>>106326335
I have an eq profile from oratory for one of my headphones, and the pregain is set according to oratory. But I rarely use those headphones anymore, so 99% of the time I use no eq.
By the way, dac is the Qudelix 5k, and it has dsp so it's technically never bit-perfect if I have any kind of dsp feature active. I always use the channel balance feature, so depending on whether it's hardware or software volume, I might never be listening to bit-perfect audio. I don't concern myself with it. Bit-perfect playback is an irrational thing I do for fun/because I am obsessed with inconsequential things.
>>106326349
I see, good points. Thankfully everything I have is at 44.1khz.

>irrational
>headphones
headpos law remains undefeated

>>106326522
Using IEMs right now tho. I like both.

>>106326496
I only brought it up because negative pregain does reduce bitrate

>>106325074
>shartur has more credibility than them unironically

>>106325834
its funny how they always tried to keep their identity as epzfags on the down low, but once they were poked a little bit they couldn't resist outing themselves as constantly butthurt and the worst coalposters on iemg
suffer not a tranny to live, praying for ukraine's killer drones

>>106326871
add to the equation the self-entitlement and god-complex, emotional immaturity and basically reverse-dunning-krueger since he thinks he knows shit about fuck because the bigger picture is "FR is everything".
nobody in audio production/recording history has said that particular string of words, mind you.

Jesus Christ.
94 dB.

Did I get the right one?

>>106327220
nope.

>>106327202
Holy shit I'm going insane. I don't know what the fuck is happening.

>>106326977
>nobody in audio production/recording history has said that particular string of words
Yeah that's probably because producers/mixers have more things to worry about than just Frequency response. The reality is you as an end-user only have to worry about picking an iem that fits your preference and a transparent source, which is almost anything on the market, but hardware utilizing CS431xx are being scrutinized at the moment over their 'distortion hump'
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/on-the-distortion-of-cirrus-logic-cs431xx-based-devices-a-comparative-review.63038/

What's the best open back IEM under $100?

>>106327349
>open back
that's not a thing

>>106327361
The Lafitear LF3 Pro is open back

>>106327367
Bruh

>>106327330
Most producers don't know even know their speakers have a "frequency response". They can hear that something is off but that's it.

>>106327202
>>106327292
Go too high and it craps out. Very cool, they baked a CS hump right into the IEM.

>>106327367
you can remove a faceplate and open back iem still won't be a thing

>>106327557
>>106327202
Looks expensive.

>>106327788
Not expensive but it is an all BA set.

ok nerds, what's the difference between IIR and FIR

>>106327869
one goes wabang, the other goes wooooshhh bow

>>106327330
>hardware utilizing CS431xx are being scrutinized at the moment over their 'distortion hump'

Absolutely brutal

>it was found that the headphone output of Apple MacBook products, adopting a custom Cirrus Logic DAC chip, also suffers from Cirrus hump distortions

Does this include the Apple Dongle as well? Grim

>>106327965
read part 2 man, even cs43xxx sources that have no humps will still have measurable distortion for dynamic signals
applel dongle is still the most no fuss option if you don't listen at very high levels

>>106327438
>most producers
don't use outdated shit sounding monitors from the 80s that actually need a tissue over the supertweeter because it sounds like ass without it. ns-19s are only used because the logic is if you can make your audio sound good on those shits, it should sound good on just about anything. using ns-10s is straight preference at this point.
you're also saying they (producers or even recording/mixing/mastering) have no idea what they're listening through. what an absolute failure of an attempt at sounding informed.
the fuck?

>>106328056
ns-10 not ns-19*

>>106319856
Needs tools to fix resonance in ear like on owliophile.

>>106327640
Ok I'll stick to headphones then.

>>106328081
you know what we need?
something like squig/peqdb tool above that has the usual graph and eq features, but if you upload a song you can see the spectrum as it plays
this would let the user see where the bass tones are, what parts are hot, if the spectrum is darker/brighter, etc.

>>106325428
>scammed
You're just jealous that you didn't get 20 IEMs for $100

>>106328131
Yeah fine grained song depended EQ would also be neat.

>>106328131
This is actually a neat idea, you could profit off it if you're the first to do it

>>106328194
that could be a use, i think it's just more intuitive and useful, people don't really understand how music works in terms of frequency so having that is a good way for people to learn
>>106328264
it's not anything special, literally every eq plugin will have this feature, the problem is doing this through the web is not so straightforward (idk shit about this topic)

>>106328056
>you're also saying they (producers or even recording/mixing/mastering) have no idea what they're listening through.
They actually have no idea what they're listening through. Studio equipment is just as much of a cargo cult as headfi. If you've ever seen a directivity graph you'd never use speakers in this >>106327438 orientation. Regardless of how bad the on-axis response is.

>>106328332
he's not the brightest so i don't know why you're talking about directivity
he's stuck at marketing blurbs, i don't think he has the ability to read a graph, let alone understand one

>chink reviewers
>embraced the asian monkey joke
>most of them use sound demos instead of graphs
what the hell...

>>106328518
You better start learning chinese bitchbrownboy

>>106328332
>>106328347
you say 'cult', yet you parakeet each other with FR worship. it's well established here that it's dogma so what you're doing is being fake contrarian for validation

>>106328635
>he doesn't know what "cargo cult" is
lmao

>>106328666
no I do, I was only using cult, in the context that I used. faggot

>>106328666
Nta but I gave a quick search and it was actually pretty interesting to learn what it meant.
Thanks Satan

>>106328764
cult is irrelevant in this context
you also don't know what "dogma" means

funny how the "cult" has data and explanations that haven't been debunked by anyone

>>106328920
Nigger you worship a chart that you believe to justify your buyer's remorse and shill your phones with

>no debunking
>just mad
i'm starting to see a pattern

>>106328518
that's jay's audio

Are there any PMPs where I can install Jellyfin and stream? That would be great, because I wouldn't need to store it locally

IMPACT2

The IMPACT2 (“Impact Squared”) is THIEAUDIO’s tried and true subwoofer solution consisting of two latest generation of 8mm composite diaphragm drivers arranged in an isobaric design. The new 8mm dynamic driver focuses on speed and hard-hitting slam for a powerful, yet clean sub-bass thump. The usage of two 8mm subwoofers significantly enhances the power and texture of the bass, while our in-house isobaric chamber design keeps the frequency and pressure constant. This means you can enjoy better quality bass without sacrificing tonal integrity.

im gonna buy INZONE E9 and no one can stop me

for anyone using musicbee, i implore you to use the cooledit nostalgia plugin
https://www.getmusicbee.com/addons/visualizer/485/cooledit-nostalgia/

what if... headpos... isn't... that... bad....

>>106329179
bros, join the schizo lissajous side

>>106329126
BA pos, avoid.

>>106329126
Isobaric configuration in IEMs has to be one of the most successful marketing points in the last 3 years. Tied with "open" IEMs.

>>106328946
you are projecting real hard here

>>106329126
lol bunch of gibberish bullshit

>>106329179
for what purpose?

will it be a mistake to buy hiby r4?

>>106328782
>"you don't know anything"
try harder than that fucko
>>106329551
>"can be easily fixed with eq blah blah blah"

>>106329804
You avoid BA pos precisely because you can't fix it with EQ >>106327823

>>106329447
>$279 for what looks like a non-detachable cable, non-detachable mic, and mediocre comfort.
>No cute gimmick either like having Miku's pig tails or something on the headpos
Audio-Technica's super behind on researching the headset market if they think this will sell decently. I dunno, for headphones, I'm happy enough with slapping a sticker on the side of one of the ear cups. Why pay $300 for a color scheme of a very bland looking headphone?

>>106329822
I thought eq can fix everything?

>>106329886
you didn't think

>>106329886
Except BA pos. And EST pos. And piezo pos. And some planar pos, if they're made by KZ.

>>106329991
I bet you're fun at parties
>>106329997
I don't think 30 years of research dictates that.

>>106330013
Measurements dictate that.

>>106329886
Hard to fix highs because your measurement rig will show a different peak depending on insertion depth

Oh yeah, each time you insert IEMs into your ears the peak will shift based on the air volume

>>106329886
This particular IEM (or rather one or many drivers) is defective.

>>106330030
>>106330044
>EQ can't fix distortion.
now you got me thinking

>>106330133
By design.

everything leads back to chuzo and his eac hrtf synthesis and distortion vst plugins
beautiful

>>106330141
The other channel measures perfectly fine, and so does my other unit.
Definitely a driver-related defect.

>>106330143
omg that's amazing!! how to get matlab for free?

>>106329864
>cute gimmick either like having Miku's pig tails or something on the headpos
absolutely troontastic

Is there any relation between KZ and QKZ?

>>106330235
surprisingly no, anons probably have the pic of a kz representative saying that qkz is basically copying their name

>>106330235
Both stealth revise their crap.

When will people realize that KZ stealth revising is a good thing? They have cutting-edge tech, so even if they replace the DD it'll be an amazing one

>>106312727 (OP)
Question, but not about iems or portable media. I currently have a general Yamaha audio receiver, and I don't think it's doing justice to my speakers. So...

Is there a DAC/AMP combo on a budget I can put on a shelf that will power a robust 2.1 system but not cost me an ungodly amount of money?

>>106330172
Nobody even mentioned trans people?

>>106330442
what is your godhood threshold?

>>106330452
i mentioned them

>>106330395
What QKZ did with the VK4 was gay as fuck

>>106330409
Based retard

>>106330491
But why?

>>106330499
why not?

>>106330454
like 200 usd.

>>106330514
i don't even know why i asked, i don't have the answer lol

>>106330501
Well, you see, this general is an area where we discuss audio. What exactly do trans people have to with audio? To bring them up out of nowhere is quite odd.

SoftEars RSV MK2 Measurement!
Tots?

>>106330535
cat ears or similar accessories on headpos are very popular among troons, idk why your upset about that

I have the iBasso DX90 and Sennhaiswr HD650, how do these devices compare to what's out there for budget devices? I understand what I bought wasn't budget friendly necessarily when it released. Most of my collections has been ripped to 44.1Hz 16-bit FLACs

>>106330569
>DX90
old as shit, overpriced for what it is
>HD650
old as shit, fine for what it is because other headphones suck even more donkey dick than it so you have little to no choice anyways at the budget
4/10

>>106330566
No, they're popular in general with gamers and streamers. I'm not upset, just wanna know why a gamer headset causes your mind to think about trans women out of all things?

>>106330598
Thanks for the reply, how do they compare to what's listed on the OP? I'd like a reference point but I'm very interested in trying some of these monitors. I guess for $18 I might as well give them a go. As far as the player I'm not sure desu.

What's the best IEM for listening to vinyl rips from tonepoet.fans with?

>>106330139
>now you got me thinking
doubtful
distortion is largely irrelevant for IEMs because it's inaudible in 99% of cases

>>106330551
KINO

>>106330566
and you know that how exactly?

>>106330569
$20 pos is better
>Most of my collections has been ripped to 44.1Hz 16-bit FLACs
irrelevant

>>106330676
you are wrong its exclusively a troon/fag thing

>>106330713
it's unhelpful to compare an openback headphone versus iems. they are different form factors. inexpensive iems and earbuds are pretty good. pick one that looks the least gay and is easily available.

>>106330713
HD650 is tuned to DF(more or less) while most cheap IEMs are tuned to harman ie 2019.
Closest to more "neutral" IEM tuning most likely will be bunny DSP. But frankly most $20-30 IEMs should sound fine. With EQ even great.

>>106325479
I have an actual EDX Lite, I'll compare my ZEX, Castor, Krila and D-Fi against it. If they're the same then I just lost like $12 versus buying 4 more EDX Lites

>>106330898
Just looking through Amazon reviews shows that can't be true. Where are you pulling your information?

>>106330569
>Most of my collections has been ripped to 44.1Hz 16-bit FLACs
FLACebo is just a placebo audio coding format!

Looking for some in-ear earphones that use USB-C with a neutral sound. What are my options?

>Budget
Under $100
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Music, indoors and outdoors.
>Frequency response preference and music examples
Neutral.
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
I like my ATH-M40x

"some people claim Headphone and IEM are "Minimum Phase Device" so only frequency response matter, first it's not proven by measured brain neural signals, second they will never show you a graph that actually represents everything to a human. You should know data is just data, you better trust your ear and decide which gear you want to get by giving them a demo"

>esl third worlder quoting another esl third worlder
grim

>>106331090
why are you so interested in defending faggy cat ears? odd

>>106331129
bunny dsp as suggested above>>106330928
>inb4 why not other usb-c iems
because tanchjim has the least flawed implementation

>>106312727 (OP)
>budget
Preferably close to 500$ if the returns are too diminished after it, 1000$ AT MOST
>intended use
Skiing while listening to both music and calls. I would have prefered to use bone conduction but the quality is too shit and I think using foam tips might give me better awareness while not sacrificing audio too much. FOAM TIP RECOMMENDATIONS PLS.
>past gear
Never had a good IEM, At most had a good home setup with a HD600 and later on a DT1990, really liked the bassy sound from the 1990, but the HD600 was more natural. I guess I don’t care too much about natural sound anymore but I want IEMs that sound fun.

PS: I would prefer to have a versatile setup where I can use both wired and TWS connections. I thought about using a shure aonic 5 and then buying the TWS kit but I don’t know if it’s worth the money or if I can get something better for my usecase within my desired budget. I want to buy the best that my money allows me to but without getting scammed (i.e paying 500$ more to get a fee extra ohms or a slightly better soundstage

>>106331396
You've been avoiding all my questions so I don't think you're really entitled to an answer from me.

>>106331555
these?

>>106331569
stop thinking about price, there is no correlation between sound quality and performance
>skiing
go for something low profile. something plastic will be ideal if you want to avoid condensation issues
most TWS connections nowadays are filled with compromisess. the pricier ones are usually fine (fiio utws series, ifi go pods) but you can probably do the same with a bt receiver (eg q5k) which can help with sound quality thanks to EQ (see the guide for more info)
bunny, q1 pro, alba, etymotic are some choices that come to mind

>>106331638
>stop thinking about price
I think you misunderstood me; I actually agree with you. That being said, I did not regret going with the dt1990s back then instead of the 1770s or even some other alternatives from sennheiser that were cheaper, which is why I described my situation regarding price as such (I don’t want to be scammed by paying more for nothing or close to it)
Using an EQ would be great but I am trying to minimize bulk with my alreadh quite bulky setup (5 kg on the backpack is already way too much in my honest opinion as it shifts my center of gravity towards the back too much and makes skiing weird).
Will check out fiio and ifi, but it would be cool to get some foam earbud tip recommendations.

Thank you for the reply.

>>106331684
you can check the shopping guide for foam ear tips, but you'll have to test out a few
hard to say especially with skiing and how well you cover yourself up and how much body excretions you will get
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide#ear-tips

>>106331604
yeah

>>106331569
get a nicer pair for wired.
get some twshit beaters to use while skiing.
no need to mix. wireless adapters tend to suck and are cumbersome, which is counterintuitive to the "convenience," aspect of wireless.

>>106331569
and fyi foam will not help whatsoever with "better awareness." in fact, people often use foam ear tips for more isolation (more reduction of outside noise), not less.
for awareness, you want either: TWS with a transparency mode, which feeds outside sound into your ears (may bug out quite severely if you factor in wind noise and such from skiing), or non-sealing earbuds as they are known (earphones that don't have the ear tip fitting over them, ie 3.5mm wired apple earpods, airpods non-pro, etc.). because they don't fit sealed in your ear canals, outside sounds can be heard.

>>106331789
In this case I need an option that gives me enough clarity over tws or wired to differentiate between both music and call sounds when having both playing at the same time. TWS would be better simply for convenience and/or to get more usage options. Is there really no option that I can use both wired and wireless that will be good ?
>>106331815
Thank you for the tip. Too bad those probably won’t be as comfy as foam.


I was looking over some of the Hall of fame options on the guide, what do you guys think of the Hisenior Mega5est ?

>>106331876
>what do you guys think of the Hisenior Mega5est
solid option for a relaxed neutral sound, smaller than average size shells for the configuration. up to you if you really want to use a pair like that for skiing. i wouldn't. if you have money, getting a beater pair is cheap insurance rather than ruining a more expensive pair. typical wired iems are not designed for humidity, they are susceptible to problems from exposure.

>>106331638
>no correlation between sound quality and performance.
proof?

>>106331924
http://www.jeroenbreebaart.com/papers/jasa/jasa2017.pdf
https://www.soundguys.com/no-relationship-between-price-and-sound-quality-139284/

>>106331897
I see what you mean. Also, if it’s a more relaxed neutral pair, then I’d probably want to avoid it for other uses beyond skiing, albeit for my specific scenario it would be better to have a neutral pair. I think I should look into IP ratings for these and maybe filter from that then, or maybe get a fun pair for day to day usage and beaters for the slopes. Any beater recommendations ? With a more neutral sound ?

>>106331984
higher quality drivers sound better when implemented well. price is a crapshoot through and through

>>106331572
i answered all of your question foxbum

>>106331876
i've used different iems for different things (cycling, skiing) and trust me you do not want anything bulky, which the 5est is for this purpose
most iems will sit past the tragus and anti tragus, horrible if you plan on wearing anything over your head
>>106331924
see the studies
>>106331998
quite literally not, you can see in both FR and MDAQS testing; in fact the trend line is slightly negative.

>>106332041
explain why at the very least, reviewers that get sent pos left and right, expensive and cheap, haven't flipped the table on all this since supposedly these things can't be heard

>>106331145
>irst it's not proven by measured brain neural signals
are you retarded lol?

>>106332041
>see the studies

>>106332052
first of all, people are very flawed when it comes to perception, this is a known and studied fact.
we are very susceptible to biases, and if we rely purely on our senses to define and quantify measurable metrics, then this is a fool's errand. people's preference is important, but we have to figure out how that correlates with measurable, physical properties. what we found is that FR is by far the dominating factor
second is that people, including experts, are inconsistent in their hearing ability if not trained properly. they will give different ratings for the same product, or hear differences when they think something has changed when it hasn't, etc
third is that there is a whole (and very interesting) socio-cultural way of thinking about products and price, and it is something that while applicable to certain topics, not the same for audio. but people still gravitate towards this line of thinking. the clearest example is from people that still believe that the price of a product is based on its quality, when it is purely based on supply and demand, and the both of these can be manipulated very easily for products that rely on our senses (ie IEMs).
fourth is that while we know FR is responsible for most of the preference, there are still some things we are a bit unsure of. i won't go into the weeds (read the guide) but there are certain things that cannot be personalized for. this also explains the variability in "techs" perception

>>106332103
you're the one that asked for proof, don't know why you always go for pics or insults when we give you what you want

>>106332112
i didn't ask for shit schizo

>>106332119
then why reply to me?

>>106332124
because i felt like it bitch

new >>106332141

>>106332124
rent free. don't dish it out next time if you can't take it.