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Anonymous No.106365339 >>106365353 >>106365354 >>106365373 >>106365422 >>106365725 >>106365777 >>106366389 >>106366433 >>106366448 >>106367407 >>106367539 >>106367878 >>106368482 >>106369771 >>106370714 >>106370718 >>106370740 >>106371208 >>106371576 >>106371879 >>106373944 >>106374445 >>106374507 >>106375427
Why did the AMD FX-Series get so much hate? Was it really that bad?
Anonymous No.106365353 >>106369569
>>106365339 (OP)
They copied the name off Nintendo.
Anonymous No.106365354
>>106365339 (OP)
Anonymous No.106365373 >>106365509
>>106365339 (OP)
The FX 15h family had some questionable architectural design choices. It could have been good enough if paired with the best manufacturing process of the era. They did not have that. They could have iterated on it to improve it a bit but they decided to focus on Zen instead (seems to have worked). Keller did an interview with the Computer History Museum if you're interested he talked a bit about the recovery from that era.

It was at some times and in some markets priced so low that it still could be an okay buy.

They original FX series was pretty much the opposite (world beater, stupid price)
Anonymous No.106365393 >>106365408 >>106365509 >>106371421
Yes it was shit. Had lower IPC than the gen before it and the fx 8150 was outperformed by Intel's dual core i3 at the time in gaming by like 30% in some mainly single threaded situations.

Basically anyone that bought this shit was equivalent to someone who bought a Cyrix CPU back in the day instead of a Pentium. Just pure cope.
Anonymous No.106365408 >>106365509 >>106365684
>>106365393
a lot of people who bought that shit got trolled by the insane bulldozer hype on tech forums like guru3d and anandtech generated by a literal amd employee
Anonymous No.106365422
>>106365339 (OP)
Glad I bought the i7 2600k at the time
Anonymous No.106365509 >>106365548 >>106365552 >>106371264
>>106365373
>>106365393
>>106365408
It's a fucking shame because the AM3 and AM3+ platforms were great, very stable and reliable. Great chipsets, great BIOSes, great motherboards, great all around. Unlike the janky mess that AM4 and AM5 are
Anonymous No.106365548
>>106365509
I had built a Phenom II X4 945 system on the cheap, overclocked it to 4.1ghz, threw in 8gb DDR1066 and overclocked the CPU Northbridge from 2ghz to 2.8ghz.

It was quite a bit better than the core 2 quads but didn't have anywhere close to the entry price of Core i* series at the time, the CPU was $130 the board was $80.
Anonymous No.106365552 >>106368009
>>106365509
What were the best AM3 CPUs and motherboards?
Anonymous No.106365684
>>106365408
I remember some new joiner on Anandtech starting a mega thread with tons of FX benchmarks painting bulldozer in a good/ok light. Was my first time seeing shilling. Some people bought into it to my surprise.
Anonymous No.106365725
>>106365339 (OP)
fx57 wiped the floor with everything until conroe.
Anonymous No.106365777 >>106365803 >>106366495 >>106367114 >>106367344
>>106365339 (OP)
>8 cores
>outperformed by a 4 core intel
>insane power draw for such low performance
>motherboards are so bad they die en masse
Anonymous No.106365803
>>106365777
still using an fx and mobo from ~2015
Anonymous No.106366389
>>106365339 (OP)
It was like really shit. Poor single core performance, high TDP and fake cores
Anonymous No.106366433
>>106365339 (OP)
>Was it really that bad?
yes
Anonymous No.106366448
>>106365339 (OP)
The A-series was bad.
Anonymous No.106366495 >>106367153
>>106365777
Cope, my 8320 did rock-solid 4.2GHz on a cheap $20 cooler and mogged anything intel twice the price in multi-core-aware games. Not to mention it mined me quite a few cpu-mineable coins to the point of paying off the cpu-mobo-ram-electricity cost. I sold the combo at a handsome price too.
Anonymous No.106367114 >>106368482
>>106365777
>>8 cores
"8 cores"
Pretty sure they lost the class action lawsuit about that
Anonymous No.106367153 >>106369677
>>106366495
>mogged anything intel twice the price in multi-core-aware games
It lost to a three years older i5 750 in most things multicore use that wasn't reliant on hardware instructions the 750 didn't have.
The FX series were good economy overclocking systems but sucked absolute donkey dick compared to same timeframe i5/i7s.
Anonymous No.106367344 >>106367678
>>106365777
You forgot the Intel costing twice as much part.
Anonymous No.106367407
>>106365339 (OP)
People who buy a CPU in this price range are likely gonna use it for gaming. But this CPU was outperformed in games by pretty much everything from Intel except Celerons/Pentiums. Otherwise it was fine for productivity and it set many overclocking records.
Anonymous No.106367447
because it was shit
so shit they got sued
when they got good they became the leaders
Anonymous No.106367482
their only saving grace was Intel had no products in the $80-330 range.
Anonymous No.106367539
>>106365339 (OP)
FX-8350 was a good alternative to contemporary i7s because of its multi-core performance. It was quite a bit worse at gaming though.
Anonymous No.106367678
>>106367344
Amd were getting bulldozed by $120 i3s anon
Anonymous No.106367878 >>106375467
>>106365339 (OP)
They had terrible IPC and were power hungry.
I was one of the anons waiting for a real 8 core.
What was delivered was slower than a 2 core in most cases.
Back in the day single core performance was KING.
Bulldozer was just hella slow.
There were a few niche things FX was good at in certain workloads.
But by the time 4970k showed up, it was outperforming FX in multi core workloads.
Glad I got a 2600K
Shit lasted me 10 years without a hitch.

Pic is the teenager Gaymer PC I had
Anonymous No.106368009 >>106368213
>>106365552
FX-8370 or Phenom II 1100T (or 960T with 2 cores unlocked) + ASUS M5A99X Evo or GA-990FXA-UD3
Anonymous No.106368213 >>106368754 >>106368991
>>106368009
Why not FX-9590?
Anonymous No.106368482
>>106365339 (OP)
When it came out, absolutely: Intel options were decimating them with their single core performance.
But later it somewhat changed due to Intel-aviv speedhole patches and multithreaded applications becoming the norm, also they are the last processors which lack ME and PSP botnets, so can be said they aged relatively well.
I'm using an FX8300 while writing this: still good enough for everything, and barely enough to run Win11.
My only complaints are power draw, and big FPS drops in games where lots of bots/players are present at the same time. (guess its either thanks to the shared FPU or weak single threaded performance)
Thinking about building a current/prevgen Ryzen machine someday but have better things currently to spend my time/money on.
>>106367114
>"8 cores"
So 486SX and below lacking integrated FPU-s were not considered as single core cpus, sure.
AMD chose the easy way out with the settlement, instead of endlessly arguing about an irrelevant thing while burning lot more money.
Anonymous No.106368754
>>106368213
>220W TDP for 1% extra perf
a 9590 is just a binned and OC'd 8350
Anonymous No.106368777 >>106368826 >>106369023 >>106369059 >>106369088 >>106369148 >>106369783 >>106369838 >>106371119 >>106371250
AMD CPUs were crap until the past couple gens. Like their GPUs still are. They need to get rid of dumbass Lisa Su.
Anonymous No.106368826
>>106368777
AMD GPUs are great if only because they actually work on Linux
Anonymous No.106368991
>>106368213
Insane power draw, ridiculous price yet laughable performance.
It was only ever good for muh niggaherz OC-records, for a while.
Meanwhile the best Phenom II cpus were neck to neck and sometimes faster than their successors.
Anonymous No.106369023
>>106368777
Not true at all
Anonymous No.106369059
>>106368777
Please stop talking shit about the works of Silicon Jesus
Anonymous No.106369088 >>106369148
>>106368777
The 9070XT and FSR4 is embarassing the shit out of nJudea's product stack LMAO
Anonymous No.106369148
>>106368777
>AMD CPUs were crap until the past couple gens.
Liar: they were always good since the first Ryzen, and before their FX lineup.
>their GPUs still are
Liar: their previous RDNA cards were already decent, but the RX 90x0 series are pretty good.
>>106369088
checked: niggerVidya is also gimping the PhysX support of their housefire cards, because the AI bubble is way more important to them than gamers.
Anonymous No.106369569 >>106369581
>>106365353
i understood that reference
Anonymous No.106369581 >>106369585 >>106370895
>>106369569
gura is gone
time to let her go
Anonymous No.106369585
>>106369581
it's just a reaction image
Anonymous No.106369677
>>106367153
He said 'twice the price' and 'multi-core', also
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-750-vs-AMD-FX-8320/2773vs1983 34% faster in octa-core
Definitely slower per-core than intel, but it had some merits.
Anonymous No.106369771 >>106369832 >>106370620
>>106365339 (OP)
Don't tell anyone but i'm still running this right now. It's amazing. Better people don't know and call it shit.

> but muh 900fps in call of doodooo
> meanwhile only uses their machine to fuck around and watch youtube 98% of the time
Anonymous No.106369783 >>106379015
>>106368777
> hurr durr I only rock team blue
> suspiciously needs the government to buy 10% of it to avoid being fucked in its ass
sounds like you picked a real winner there bro
Anonymous No.106369832 >>106373913
>>106369771
If it works it works.
I wish I could stick with old working systems. But inevitably I feel the urge to replace shit after like 5 years. Guess I'm a dumb consumer.
Anonymous No.106369838
>>106368777
My Athlon and Phenom were badass CPUs at the time. The 7900XTX is good, Radeon 780M graphics are good. What are you talking about sweetie.
Anonymous No.106370620 >>106370772 >>106373913
>>106369771
I'm tempted to pull mine out of storage and RETVRN purely because my 9800x3d is unused 99% of the time and I'd rather get the money I wasted back.
Anonymous No.106370714
>>106365339 (OP)
I've used one (FX8350) from 2014 to 2024. It was fine for most games between 2014 and 2018 or so, it struggled a lot for autistic map painters (EU4/HOI) which is why I upgraded.

For everything else it was fine until 2024, at that point the motherboard started giving up (literally caps started falling off) and it wasn't worth getting an AM3 (or whatever socket it was) motherboard. I would've probably kept it if not for that.

It wasn't too bad overall. It just had a pretty weak single core performance.
Anonymous No.106370718 >>106371011
>>106365339 (OP)

It was woeful. They just added more cores but especially back then hardly anything utilized more than 2 cores. I had a FX6300 with 6 cores and in games it got regularly beaten by a used Q6600. The AMD fanboys back then had the same confidence as they do now with poozen processors being actually good. I got that FX6300 system cheap, flipped it and made an okay mount of money. But on /g/ there were plenty of people blaming everything BUT AMD for the awful performance.

It was so bad I still don't buy AMD because they always disappoint.
Anonymous No.106370740
>>106365339 (OP)
I still use an FX-8350
Anonymous No.106370772 >>106370824
>>106370620
or you could just do things that make your purchase have value?
Anonymous No.106370824 >>106374180
>>106370772
Such as? Only place it'd make a meaningful difference is games and anything else that requires huge number crunching can be offloaded to the GPU.
Anonymous No.106370895
>>106369581
She's been gone since she took corpo money.
I was hoping she'd go back to this design like Kson, but I guess she just really likes being a fish.
We're never getting the slightly-awkward overly-crass cowboy again. She got sanitized by management, and now it's all she knows.
Anonymous No.106371011
>>106370718
Zen 1 wasn't stellar (well it was in comparison to shitdozer), but since 5800x3d intel is objectively the underdog.
Anonymous No.106371067
Much in the same way Intel faggots are now delusional about their discount processors so too were AMD cucks delusional about their discount processors.
Anonymous No.106371119 >>106378011
>>106368777
>what is Am5x86
>what is K6
>what is K7
>what is K8
>what is GCN
Anonymous No.106371208 >>106371221 >>106371249
>>106365339 (OP)
It sacrificed single threaded performance for multi-threaded , in a world where most software was largely single or dual threaded, many poor design decisions were made. got way too far along before they realized their mistake.

amd literally would have been better off taking their updated k10 core used in llano and making an 8 core version of that,

graph related, it might not look like much , but when you consider the llano apu has no l3 cache and is matching the older phenoms that have 6mb, , it becomes immediately obvious just how bad bulldozer actually is.
Anonymous No.106371221
>>106371208
double the core count add l3 cache and it would beat bulldozer in basically every senario.
Anonymous No.106371249
>>106371208
>niggas will look at a chart like this and still try to compare Raptor and Arrow Lake to Bulldozer
So wild frfr
Anonymous No.106371250
>>106368777
A dual Athlon MP system 20 years ago was unbeatable.
Anonymous No.106371264 >>106371395 >>106371840
>>106365509
>Unlike the janky mess that AM4 and AM5 are
QRD? I've heard about voltage issues on AM5 but I've never had a problem with an AM4 board or CPU on default settings.
t. owned 2600, 3700X, and now 5800X3D
Anonymous No.106371395
>>106371264
>source: his anus
Otherwise Intcel redditards would be crying about it nonstop, while coping with their yearly socket changes.
Only ever read myself about bios update inconveniences, small flash sizes and whether certain boards support pcie 4.0 or not with AM4 boards.
Anonymous No.106371421
>>106365393
i remember seeing benchmarks that the first 8 core was slower than the 1055t across the board. they dropped a press release saying FM2 wasnt going to be backwards compatible BEFORE FM1 launched, and then they dropped a press release saying they werent going to make desktop cpu's anymore. you could pick up the A8-3870k for under $100, considering it was a phenom quad core + hd6650, it was a steal and i bought one to upgrade from my e6600+8600gts. Intel whooped K10 with nehalen and then doubled down with sandy bridge. they called it quits after ivy bridge and just coasted for half a decade, it sure did cost them.
Anonymous No.106371576
>>106365339 (OP)
I guess it depends on use case and how much one paid for the system. I have 2 desktops with am3+ mobo's that get used daily. FX6300 & phenom ii 1100t. Fx is my daily driver and the pii is the living room media streamer & amazon shopper. Those setups are 10+ years old with 1 RAM upgrade, ssd and usbC front & usb 3.2 rear panels added.
No amd hate here. (Yes gnu+linux, when win7 support ended)
Anonymous No.106371840
>>106371264
No idea what he's referring to either, the only issue I have with AM5 is the insanely long POST times compared to older systems.
Anonymous No.106371879 >>106371896 >>106373935
>>106365339 (OP)
we've been over this a thousand times already, bulldozer was ass and everything until zen 1 remained ass. They leveled up integrated graphics but it only got good framerates from zen 1 onwards because the shit CPU would bottleneck the otherwise banger graphics unit.
Anonymous No.106371896 >>106374192
>>106371879
Anonymous No.106373913
>>106369832
>>106370620
It's never too late to come home.
Anonymous No.106373935
>>106371879
It sounds like you're making shit up.
Anonymous No.106373944 >>106374029 >>106375499
>>106365339 (OP)
They gave you fake cores without FP support in half of them
Anonymous No.106374029 >>106374042
>>106373944
yeah well it was a pretty good idea they copied from Sun Microsystems
Anonymous No.106374042
>>106374029
It was fine for some applications, just not all.
Anonymous No.106374180 >>106374314
>>106370824
>Only place it'd make a meaningful difference is games
>I can't think of a single task where higher IPC is more valuable
you know what, go back to your FX processor and give (not sell, give) the 9800X3D to someone more deserving. You don't deserve the processing potential nor the money.
Anonymous No.106374192 >>106374376 >>106374387
>>106371896
>6 "core" and 8 "core" CPUs struggle to keep with with a 4 core
lol
Anonymous No.106374314 >>106374408
>>106374180
You come home from your job and then proceed to use your personal machine for more work?
Anonymous No.106374376
>>106374192
and still today 24 core struggles to keep with 8 cores in games
but still, both can be good enough at a lower price
Anonymous No.106374387 >>106374401
>>106374192
2 fps difference at over 100 is not 'struggling to keep up with'
Anonymous No.106374401
>>106374387
>Intel sitting around a cool 50W
>FX power draw not even displayed
lol
lmao
Anonymous No.106374408 >>106374448
>>106374314
>You come home from your job
My job is done at home, little office cuck.
Anonymous No.106374445
>>106365339 (OP)
Idk as someone that had one, never really had any problems with it.
Anonymous No.106374448 >>106374469 >>106374517
>>106374408
Companies issue machines and are usually pretty strict about where the work can be done
Anonymous No.106374469
>>106374448
>he isn't self-employed
ohnonononono
enjoy reporting to your masters for your gruel
Anonymous No.106374507 >>106374513
>>106365339 (OP)
>it's time we revisited a 20 year old cpu
retard-level discourse
Anonymous No.106374513 >>106377956
>>106374507
Terminal poors always want to justify their poverty, that's why we have Indians with Xiaomi phones and 6th-hand StinkPads shitting up the board. 70% of the total installed desktop Linux base is in India.
Anonymous No.106374517
>>106374448
>he's a junior-level intern that isn't allowed to work from home
JEJ
Anonymous No.106375427 >>106375444
>>106365339 (OP)
>Was it really that bad?
Nah it was alright i was easily able to run two GTX 970 g1 gaming's and 3 27 inch monitors in nvidia surround with no issues my 8350 back then was clocked to 4.8ghz (photo is from 2015) case was a coolermaster cosmos SE
Anonymous No.106375444
>>106375427
Old benchmark score from this system
Anonymous No.106375467
>>106367878
Why are you talking about hardware you didn't own or use just shut the fuck up AMD is the reason intel had to innovate you stupid cunt
Anonymous No.106375499
>>106373944
Use case for floating point arithmetic?
Scarlett No.106375511 >>106379670
For what its worth, I liked mine. It was cheap, it worked well enough. After lapping my chip was good enough for 5.1ghz without major clock stretching on air at 1.373v.
Anonymous No.106377956
>>106374513
Shitpads were a meme the moment people decided to shill it for muh reliability. Its a fucking laptop nothing on it is built to last longer than 5 years.
Anonymous No.106378011 >>106378023
>>106371119
those CPUs are from back when they still made these chips in Germany.
now its chink-slop like all other chips
Anonymous No.106378023
>>106378011
vgh...
Anonymous No.106379015
>>106369783
Who are you quoting
Anonymous No.106379670
>>106375511
>5.1ghz on 1.373v
pretty good anon, i was struggling to hit 4.6ghz with 1.4v on liquid..