Yes there was. It was focused on Slavs and carried out in the open behind the advancing armies.

>>17900899
Nazis cope about that and deny it but I have seen an uptick in those who are proud of it and unashamed

>>17900892 (OP)
Why isn't this a picture of Gaza?

>>17900892 (OP)
Work release program. Of a sort.

>>17900892 (OP)
They did kill a lot of jews, slavs, gypsies and other minorities, though

>>17900899
>be poles
>invent the holocaust
>be jews profiting on the war
>manage to force the german government to pay out billions in reparations every year to kikes
>how do we convince people this actually happened?
>uh lets just say there's no evidence!
>sweet

>some retarded commie on 4channel.ru
>"actually they were gunning down poles and putting them in mass graves!"
surely there's some... bones?

>>17902130
Also how can you be polish and believe in the holocaust when supposedly the same amount of poles died but you didn't get a penny of that holocaust money?

>>17900892 (OP)
You hate Jews.

>>17900892 (OP)
Hitler was the number one shabbos goyim. This is known.

>>17902130
Threads like these get old real quick. Just point out that shit like "Night" by Wiesel are a fucking joke, and the kike shills ITT will immediately say, "How do you know the Nazi's *weren't* using infant babies as machine gun target practice?"

>>17900892 (OP)

Related.

Pagan "gods" are demons.

>>17900892 (OP)
Well it's happening now, for our mistake we are now being targeted and slowly killed because there wasn't one.

I've been on this site for like 15 years and I still can't figure if these Holocaust deniers are serious or if they're just very elaborate trolls

>>17902309
you're just low IQ

>>17902309
You tell me

>>17902309
>>17902297

>>17902309
Everyone knows that the Holocaust was fake and that Adolf Hitler, after writing extensively about his hatred of Jews in Mein Kampf, made no attempt at killing any of them, just Poles and Romani, all while millions of white Europeans died in a bloody war for nothing

>>17902325
>Hitler hated Jews
>So much so that he convinced his military brass and soldiers to waste time and massive amounts of resources so he could genocide Jews on a Dr. Seuss tier level

Yeah makes complete sense actually

>>17902330
>guy who can do whatever he wants does whatever he wants
whats so nonsensical about it

>>17902330
I'm agreeing with you. Adolf "Hitler" Schicklgruber did not kill any Jews. Millions of white Europeans simply died in a war while millions of Jews were sent to luxury summer camps.

>>17900892 (OP)
How then do you explain the countless survivor testimonies, German confessions and documents all pointing toward the same thing? Please try reading on the subject.

>>17902330
It's not difficult to carry out a genocide. If Rwandans can do it, and pretty much every primitive tribe could do it, why couldn't Germany with its advanced technology and centralized state?

>>17902337
Why and how can he do whatever he wants? Is he magic or something?
>>17902338
>for nothing
Not really, Bolshevists and communists are the enemies of humanity, they were the ones that should have been exterminated and Patton realized this too late.

>>17900892 (OP)
If 1.8 million Cambodians were killed by the Khmer Rouge in such a teeny tiny country, why is 6 million jews such an unbelievable number?

Also fuck you bigot. I’m gonna message my 4chan AIPAC contact and backtrace your IP

>>17902345
I meant more in the way he was an absolute leader so any type of action he wanted such as rounding up group he didn't like he could order without much hassle

So it's settled

The holocaust is fake, which means Hitler did not kill any Jews whatsoever, which makes both his and the Nazis antisemitism out to just be toothless gesturing and virtue signaling. They literally could not do anything right. Couldn't kill any Jews, couldn't even win the only war they ever fought. No wonder Hitler killed himself.

>>17902360
Yes most of the narrative that the war was about jews was push by con artist jews trying to make money off of the holocaust

>>17902364
Pretty much this. Which is why the 'Night' thing isn't being addressed ITT, just prissy seething

>>17902360
Worse
Hitler didn't even kill himself, he fled to Argentina, which means he was actually alive to witness Germany devolve into two rump states by the Soviets and a US lead coalition, completely undermining the German Nationalism he spent his whole life promoting.

>>17902309
Its insane to me that people can simply accept that Germans were insane murderous psychopaths that would rip infants from their mother's arms, toss them in the air, and let their machine gunners practice by shooting all of the babies.

>>17902402
Anon, ever consider the idea that the reason this sounds so alien to you is because you were never born or raised in a society that normalized systematic violence against people that are deemed enemies of your state?

>>17902402
You don't need an entire society of psychopaths, only a small handful of people to be given free reign. Besides, most of the deaths in the Holocaust happened in gas chambers, out of sight, out of mind.

>>17902404
Ah yes, because society was so backwards and Neolithic 80 years ago. Quite frankly I wouldnt be surprised if my own grandfather could take a baseball bat and just smash jewish baby heads like whack-a-mole

>>17902416
>a tiny small handful of people exterminated 6 million people and nobody noticed or cared
Lol.

>>17900892 (OP)
Is this a thread about functionalism-intentionalism or something else?

>>17902420
>Ah yes, because society was so backwards and Neolithic 80 years ago
It didn't have to be you strawmanning retard. These actions were justified as eugenics programs. Hell, in many ways they were seen as more "refined" versions of Pogroms, something people living in Central and Eastern Europe were certainly no strangers to.

>>17902420
>tiny small handful of people
You could argue that anyone contributing to the German economy at the time was involved, and certainly anyone in the German military. Many people unknowingly had a part in the Holocaust in small, undetectable ways. But of the people who actually carried out the killings by firing guns or dropping Zyklon-B down the chutes, that was not a huge number of people.
>and nobody noticed or cared
Quite a lot of people noticed, and that's why we have witness testimonies from perpetrators, survivors and bystanders. Also, documents taken from German archives.

>>17902427
God you freaks are pathetic. I wish the Germans had ethnic cleansing programs

>>17902420
>and nobody noticed or cared
More like it happened as Germany was also invading countries like Poland so there was no time for the reality of it to set in until after the war was over

Also, people were very much aware during the war that Germans were systemically killing Jews, they just didn't know the extent of it. Hiram Bingham IV and Varian Fry for example, helped smuggle 2,500 Jewish refugees out of France between 1940 and 1941. So no, the idea that the holocaust was fake because "people didn't know about it until after the war" is factually bullshit.

>>17902427
>>17902432
>dude, the nazis just really were shooting infant babies in the air with machine guns, just trust me bro
Both of you are absolutely fuckin pathetic.

>>17902434
Werent those just squirrelly Jews that were scared

>>17902434
Im referring to the fact that every single "testimonial" in reference to these "atrocities" are pants on head retarded comical nonsense

>>17902438
That's not true. The other half are somewhat logical but do not corroborate the Holocaust at all

>it was real in my mind

The holocaust is a GREAT story, but it doesnt need to be pushed anymore. 1, we know it didnt happen. 2, WW2 is already interesting enough. 3, its more important to focus on current day holocausts and how to stop them, such as the ongoing Holocaust in Gaza. Talking about ancient jews does nothing and helps no one. But we can stop the current Nazis in Israel

>>17902438
Personal Incredulity Fallacy
Just because it sounds too outlandish for you to believe, doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. Especially since German scientists were onboard and often wanted to use Jews and other prisoners to test their hypothesis' into the human condition or with regards to human anatomy and felt like this was their only real opportunity to do so, and felt like the research being done justified the means.

>>17902439
Like what? Military brass allowing their soldiers to waste ammo setting up comical shooting galleries using Jews? Trying to win a multiple front war but diverting insane amounts of resources to supply your "death camps" with Tim Burton tier death traps?

>>17902445
>Muh fallacy
You know what's a fallacy? Saying 6 million people died but that you have no evidence because it was destroyed

>>17902446
Like "we want into the showers and they weren't gas chambers and lived out the rest of our lives"

>>17902445
>Just because it sounds too outlandish for you to believe, doesn't mean it couldn't have happened.

>>17902447
>Saying 6 million people died but that you have no evidence because it was destroyed
Except, you know, mountains of photographic evidence and firsthand testimony
https://www.eisenhowerlibrary.gov/research/photographs/world-war-ii-holocaust-images

>>17902447
Thats just the Personal Incredulity Fallacy brah. In fact we went to the moon and drove around and shot golf balls and shit using t9 calculator tier technology too! Its so crazy it works!

>>17902438
It sounds like the only testimonials you've heard are from /pol/ infographic memes. In any large event involving many people, there will inevitably be some unreliable testimonies, some based on hearsay, rumours, etc. There will even be people pretending to have been at the place when they really weren't. That doesn't mean ALL testimonies are false or unreliable. For example, take a look at the testimonies of Henryk Tauber, David Olere and Yehuda Bacon, and see how they are corroborated not only each other but also by confessions of Nazi camp officials, and by documents from German archives.

>>17902447
Census data shows that the Jewish population of Europe dropped by between 5 and 6 million people (pic related)

>>17902453
Evidence of what?

>>17902453
>photographic evidence
Oh my goodness look at these black and white photos of people looking sad this is clearly proof 6 million people were murdered in record time!
>eye witness testimony
So about as much validity as a game of telephone?

>>17902454
I'm not believing history on faith. I'm not a 16th century peasant

>>17902456
No, I'm referring to "survivor's totally real memoirs"

>>17902453
Very odd how the Buchenwald prisoners look exactly like Gulag prisoners from Russia..

The Holocaust never happened and Adolf Hitler failed to kill a single Jew despite naming them as his enemies in Mein Kampf, instead he lead a violent war where millions of white Europeans died, then fled to Argentina when it was all over where he was alive to witness his country become a rump state of the Soviets and Americans, completely undermining the German Nationalism he spent his entire life promoting.

>>17902469
It's odd that European Prison camps all look similar?
It's not like we don't know the exact names and locations of these facilities
Oh wait yeah we do
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/en/a-z/photo

>>17902477
Im crying, this is so fucking pathetic. Hahahahahahahahahh you expect me to entertain this silly bullshit? Ahhhahhahahahah

Science says it's fake.

>>17902466
I don't know whose memoirs exactly you're referring to, but I'll say there are ways of telling which testimonies are reliable and which aren't. One that appears many decades after the war and contradicts what we know from the evidence can be discarded as a fake. But ones that appeared during or immediately after the war, which are corroborated by independent sources, can trusted. Another thing to consider is that not all our knowledge on the death camps comes from the Soviets or people held in captivity by the Soviets. Multiple former Sonderkommandos from Auschwitz were moved to concentration camps in the West in the final days of the war, and they were liberated by the Western Allies. Also, several commandants of Auschwitz-Birkenau were transferred to the West, where they were captured and interrogated by the Western Allies.

>>17902494
>corroborated by sources
Oh shut the fuck up

>>17902486
It's listed alphabetically my slow friend, and you're lazy so you just chose something from the front page

Pic related for example, is a Jewish forced laborer at the Im Fout Camp in Morocco. This photo was taken circa 1941

>>17902507
>oh my goodness a man pushing a cart 6 million died!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>17902507
This man looks strong and well fed.

>>17902509
You:
>"Jews weren't made to do ridiculous things that's just propaganda!"
Also you
>"A Jew forced to perform ridiculous and dehumanizing labor? Th-that one doesn't count okay???"

>>17902500
Here's a source for you. Why did Auschwitz have capacity to cremate 4756 bodies a day? They could cremate nearly the entire prisoner population in one month. What was the purpose of these crematoria? Document is from the Auschwitz construction office.

>>17902517
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH HUMILIATING LABOR??? AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>17902522
Looks and sounds like complete bullshit that was made up

>>17902477
Thank you for sharing this source. Checking it out it seems the Holocaust myth is even more flimsy than I previously imagined

Jewish inmates at the Monopol Tobacco Factory circa 1943, the factory was used as a transit camp before being moved into the Treblinka Killing Center

>>17902542

>>17902542
>>17902543
These people seem perfectly fine.

>>17902531
Anon, I don't know what to tell you. I could give you a list of documents with their archival numbers but even that is all madeup bullshit to you. Do you have this much skepticism over any other historic event? No? Only the one involving Jews?

Jews being forced to undress prior to execution. This photo was from the collection of a German Military Photographer

>>17900892 (OP)
>They were just concentration camps intended to hold people temporarily before they were deported to Israel or Madagascar Guys. They all died because they couldn’t feed them because the allies were bombing supply lines.

>>17902554
It sounds like your upset I'm not taking weak bullshit at face value.

Actually this picture really pulls at my heart strings. You can really tell all these people were exterminated right after this pic was taken!

>>17902556
Bullshit. Looks no different or worse than this
>>17902559

>>17902559
This picture shows the Japanese getting ready to use flame throwers to burn up all these chinese women and children you can clearly see it

In this picture you can see Chinese prisoners being lined up before being tossed into a human sized wood chipper that just grinded humans into meat 24/7, you can clearly see it

Here we can clearly see all of the stuff confiscated by the Nazis taken from Jewish children and orphans

Here are a group of starving prisoners you can see how skinny and weak they are! Any photo of a skinny starving prisoner is proof 6 million people were murdered

>>17902559
What's your explanation for the document I posted here: >>17902522

A mistake by the German engineers? A Soviet fabrication? A fabrication I made last week on photoshop? Please, let's hear your excellent historical interpretation.

>>17902584
Maybe Jews are just really good packers

>>17902590
Its a blurry bullshit jpeg. Thats it.

>>17902593
It's actually stuff taken from US japanese citizens in an internment camp in California, but whatever.

>>17902595
Brilliant answer. Should I find you one in higher resolution? Would you like a transcription?

>>17902603
Go for it, I'm sure if you search wikipedia hard enough to might also find a mentally ill tranny that cares

>>17902608
Clearly you care if you insist so strongly that it's a lie. Try reading a book. And if you don't even care to engage with the evidence then keep your mouth shut.

>>17902618
I did, I read Wiesel's Night and it was comically over the top and not believable at all. You know this too which is why you're so upset, furiously googling low brow shit expecting me to give a shit. There's literally no way for you to verify that random crumpled paper as being legit other than blind faith, you know it too.

>>17902622
The crumpled paper gives nearly identical numbers to those given by Rudolf Hoess, commandant at Auschwitz. He had a lot to say at his trial and even more in his own writings, all available online.

>>17902636
Yeah it'd be pretty easy to just copy numbers and fake this. Extremely extremely easy.

>>17902636
>>17902639
Here, read this article.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-a-wwii-era-forger-saved-lives-one-fake-document-at-a-time/

You weak, rat faced piece of shit kike

>>17902644
>It's well known the French government collaborated with the Nazis during World War Two, helping send tens of thousands of Jews to their deaths. What is less well known are the heroic efforts by members of underground resistance groups to save Jews in France. Many of those who risked their lives are now gone or have been reluctant to share their stories. 92-year-old Adolfo Kaminsky was a Jewish teenager when he joined the French resistance. He had a unique talent he had picked up while working at a dry cleaners, an expertise that helped him become one of the greatest forgers in France during the war. Incredibly, he and the resistance networks he worked with created fake identity documents that helped save the lives of as many as 14,000 Jewish men, women, and children.

How interesting..... And convenient.

WOW here's another interesting tidbit
>Behind the well-known battles and campaigns of the Second World War lies a secret history. Covert operations and deception plans aimed to confuse the enemy at every opportunity.

>Operation Mincemeat was a deception conceived by British Intelligence to fool the Germans regarding the true target for the Allied invasion of Sicily. A dead body would be ‘planted’ off the coast of Spain carrying secret documents which purported to reveal that the targets for the forthcoming invasion would be Greece and Sardinia, with Sicily only intended as a feint. To ensure that the Germans swallowed the deception, it was necessary to create a detailed false identity for the body, which was that of a homeless labourer who had died after swallowing rat poison.

>>17902639
Now we're getting somewhere. Who do you think faked this document and why?

>>17902654
Jewish communists.

>>17902658
Just to be clear, you mean the Soviets?

>>17902662
No I mean Jewish communists, who were everywhere, not just in the USSR

>>17902665
How did it get into the Moscow archive?

>>17902671
The same way bleeding heart holocaust made it's way into the West during the same time as well. With all that we know from the Yuri Bezmenov types I dont understand how this is so illogical to you

>>17902677
>The same way bleeding heart holocaust made it's way into the West
Which is how?

>>17900892 (OP)
This thread is the perfect encapsulation of why the Jewish Question should be gatekept from midwits, wignat types. These people's brains are melting out of their ears. So tiresome

>>17902522
This is old. Only crematorium 4 and crematorium 5 were ever built to capacity. 2 and 3 were never completed and 1 was converted into storage

>>17902815
Why not? Sonderkommando Stanislaw Jankowski estimated that Crematoria 2 and 3 each had a capacity of 2500. Rudolf Hoss said 2000 for each of them.

>>17902815
Or no it was the other way around. Only 2 and 3 were completed. There's no pictures of the interior of 4 and 5.

Actually the sonderkommando photos from Auschwitz show naked women outside of crematorium 5 indicating that it was probably redesigned into a shower facility

>>17902305
That's rough. Are you in Palestine somewhere?

exactly. the prewar jewish population just vanished into thin air, yiddish happened to suddenly become forgotten around that time, and all the nuremberg defendants tried to minimize their involvement rather than argue it was a fabrication because uhh...

>>17902680
Reinforcement through media and education as if it were dogma

>>17902517
It's a state of total war, everyone will be made to either fight or work. Makes way more sense than shipping them halfway through Europe just to gas them

Another dishonest /pol/shizo thread.

>>17902339
>countless survivor testimonies, German confessions and documents all pointing toward the same thing?
the talmud encourages lying to the goyim, confessions obtained through threats and torture aren't trustworthy and documents can be easily forged
try again Shlomo

>>17903655
Indeed. This is why there's no proof the so called "Second World War" ever actually happened. Prove it. You cannot.

>>17902554
>Do you have this much skepticism over any other historic event?
People tend to be more skeptic about things they aren't freely allowed to question.
Expressing doubts about any other historical event doesn't get you fined or jailed in supposedly "democratic" countries.

>>17903664
Holocaust denial and neonazism is pretty much one and the same so it's kinda logical that in most of Europe claiming that the people who destoryed their countries were "good guys" will get you in the trouble.

>>17903674
yet complaining about the niggers who are currently destroying their countries also gets you in trouble

>>17900899
There was no extermination of slavs.
Slavs waged an illegal partisan war and when the Germans cracked down on them slavs screeched and bitched like they do today when ArchSlav Banan man is cracking the whip on holhols.
>>17902054
No you havent, you have seen an uptick in people not caring if it happened or not which you are trying to pivot to an affirmation because you are losing narrative control.
The holocaust did not happen.
>>17902213
You hate Germans.
>>17902309
The Holocaust myth will die on the hill of gas chambers, yet there is no evidence whatsoever gas chambers were ever used for mass execution
>n-not all were gassed
no one claimed they were, we are saying NO ONE was gassed.

>>17903691
yes, being racist is a crime since it's an evil thing, and you just proved my point that along with holocaust denial comes being a neonazi and an evil asshole in general

We have motivation:
>1.
jews were a problem people, much like they are today, and they needed to be isolated from the general population.
>2.
jews were overrepresented among partisans, this is from Data we have from the Red Army, the Free French, and Betar, an avowed zionist paramilitary claiming 300,000 active members by 1936 alone, this number includes traditional "civilians" such as women, children, and the elderly.
>3.
We have a mechanism, mass starvation, disease, and a literal war being fought over the land where jews were concentrated, we have well documented mass exodii of jews from ports in Romania, Ukraine, Bulgaria, and Greece out of Europe and into Turkey or the Levant directly.
>4.
We have explanatory and predictive power, -what would we expect to see given all of these circumstances? -
mass casualties, which is what we see, as well as mass hysteria (stories of gas chambers, eagle pits, rollercoasters, nuclear testing) which is also what we see.

This is a much more reasonable explanation than the fantastical holocaust which through special pleading asks us to abandon our reason and trust the naked word of people who werent even there.

>>17903694
ok so youre just anti-White.

>>17903700

>>17903703

>>17903694
you sound very triggered Shlomo, why don't you take a shower to relax?

>>17903708
why won't you relax like those german ladies in 1945? :)

>>17903711
>the kike reveals his true form

>>17903721
it's Mr.Chosen for you, cattle

>>17903729
Chosen for what, to be a dysgenic inbred mutt race from the desert

>>17903753
to slaugther g*rman "people"

>>17902309
its half and half
started as a way to troll normies and then actual retards thought they found a safe haven and created pol

I've noticed that Holocaust deniers are always Amerisharts and it doesn't seem like they get taught about it in school because all their knowledge comes from retarded /pol/ memes.
>how could that many ovens cremate 6 million people that's mathematically impossible11!

There were more camps than just Auschwitz, literally thousands, and a large portion of the killings were done by the Einsatzgruppen, basically just guys in trucks going from village to village shooting people. Also, it was 6 million Jews, when you include political opponents, gypsies, the disabled, etc its around 11 million. This is all pretty common knowledge in first world countries where we have a module in History class dedicated to it almost every year from the age of like 8 onwards. Actual fucking retards. The US history curriculum is a joke

>>17904030
If I decided to just troll on this site from now on I'd definitely play a Holocaust denier to cause maximum butthurt. Some of those "infographics" they post are legitimately hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FTxBdWZcv4

>>17903788
source?

>>17904108
again you're just low IQ, the events in marvel movies dealing with multiple gods is about as fatalistical as you can get and it still has a beginning middle and end. The thing that makes the holocaust stand out is it has none of those elements. They're not sure when it started, who was involved, how it happened or if it even happened because the main foundational truth of the Holocaust is that "there is no evidence it was destroyed".

No scientific mind believes for a picosecond that "all the evidence was destroyed".

>>17902493
>shows undisturbed soil where there would be buildings

>>17900892 (OP)

>>17904061
>Also, it was 6 million Jews, when you include political opponents, gypsies, the disabled, etc its around 11 million. This is all pretty common knowledge in first world countries where we have a module in History class dedicated to it almost every year from the age of like 8 onwards.

Even if there was, so what?
A mere historical curiosity.
Similar things have been done before and since and will happen again. A matter of scale, perhaps but to the dead it makes no difference.
It doesn't even put a dent in human population figures.
The damn things breed like houseflies, despite incessant wars, plagues and what have you-

>>17900892 (OP)
If I wanted that image photoshopped with the "Arbeit Macht Frei" replaced with "Y'all Can't Behave" should I ask in /wsr/ or /r/?

>>17902309
Being edgy is the only way most of the people on this website can get any sense of power in their lives. Much like the kid who shits himself for attention during class. Terminal fatherlessness.

>>17900899
This. Far more Slavs suffered because of Germany than Jews

>>17902372
>Some crackpot makes a bullshit claim
>This makes all of the documentation and evidence collected by people at the time and afterwards completely null
It isn't worth addressing because it's retarded, and you're inherently disingenuous so no one is going to waste the time and energy dismantling your bullshit. I know you're gonna give me some smarmy feminine reply so I'm just gonna head you off at the pass and say no one is impressed by this nor does anyone believe you, and I shan't be giving you another reply because the only thing you're good at is languishing in obscurity where you belong.

>>17902130
>>be poles
>>invent the holocaust
Anon, the Nazi leaders admitted to the holocaust at the Nuremberg trial. There are German maps from the war showing areas in eastern Europe that had been marked as “free of Jews.” There’s videos of German death squads and photos of dead bodies in concentration camps

>>17904615
Anon won't believe it short of being Quantum Leap'd into a Jewish child at Trebliknka.

>>17904615
None of these things are related

you know how leftists use dialectics to cherrypick things from history to support their claims? yeah the entire holocaust is basically a modern left wing cult belief system.

>the holocaust happened
>why
>because the nazis were evil
>okay and?
>and they didn't like the jews
>anything else?
>they put a number of jews in camps
>and what did they do in the camps?
>well they either vaporized or worked
>do you know which?
>no

A death camp doesnt have hospitals
A death camp doesnt do transfers to better ones if youre sick
A death camp doesnt have swimming pools
A death camp doesnt identify each prisoner with a code if theyre just planning to kill them
A gas chamber doesnt have wooden doors

>>17904613
People have already refuted this too. There's a documentary called "1/3 of the holocaust" where two million of holocaust deaths rely on the shaky testimony of just a handful of people

>>17904676
You're forgetting, a holocaust doesn't have more survivors than there were before said holocaust

>>17900892 (OP)
The Nazis just wanted to send the Jews to a nice spa and vacation resort and the Jews had the gall to shave their heads and go on hunger strike.

>>17904681
see the problem with the holocaust is that people will stop caring no matter what because jews are dishonest cretins

>>17904676
>A death camp doesnt have hospitals
Even Siberian gulags had hospitals
>A death camp doesnt do transfers to better ones if youre sick
Slaves dying isn't good for productivity
>A death camp doesnt have swimming pools
They do if the guards and their families are the only ones using them
>A death camp doesnt identify each prisoner with a code if theyre just planning to kill them
If you're as autistically obsessed with bookkeeping as the average German is, you do.
>A gas chamber doesnt have wooden doors
Apparently they do

>>17904677
Incorrect

>>17900892 (OP)
Genuinely curious about the standpoint of the posters in this thread.

Are you arguing that:
A. The Holocaust never happened at all.
or
B. That it happened on a far smaller scale than the 6 million figure that is commonly quoted.


If you're going with A, I'm gonna have to say that you're an assclown who's willfully trying to "rehabilitate" the Nazi image.

If you're gonna go with B, I'd say you're correct and I agree fully. It's almost mathematically impossible given the logistics of the camps that 6 million could be accurate.

I'm gonna say about 1 million died, and mostly of starvation and disease. Though prisoners were gassed and shot frequently.

Does that make it any better? No, not really. It was still a genocide. Just not quite on the scale that they like to say it was.

>>17904688
Yup, 6 million instantly evaporates when you realize how little actual testimony corroborates it

>>17904695
>Yup
You do realize you just agreed with me right? F- on the reading comprehension.
>How little the actual testimony corroborates it
That's why no one cares what you think and your position is exclusively touted by crackpots and ideologues.

>>17904699
go ahead and post a single person that says they witnessed a gas chamber operating

>>17904694
>It's almost mathematically impossible given the logistics of the camps that 6 million could be accurate.
Most of the killings were the result of extermination campaigns with death squads. Africans with machetes killed a million people in less than a year and the Holocaust occured over about six or so years. I'd like to know exactly how you imagine the Germans were beaten at the genocide game by black people and Cambodians.

>>17904704
On scraps of notepaper Marcel Nadjari, a Greek Jew, described how thousands of Jews were herded into the gas chambers daily. He saw them "packed in like sardines".

In 1944, the 26-year-old was burning with a desire for revenge. He had heard from fellow Greek Jews that his mother, father and sister Nelli had died at Auschwitz-Birkenau camp, in Nazi-occupied southern Poland, the year before.

So in November 1944 Nadjari stuffed his 13-page manuscript into a thermos flask, which he sealed with a plastic top. He then placed the thermos in a leather pouch and buried it near Crematorium III.

"The crematorium is a big building with a wide chimney and 15 ovens. Under a garden there are two enormous cellars. One is where people undress and the other is the death chamber. People enter it naked and once about 3,000 are inside it is locked and they are gassed. After six or seven minutes of suffering they die," he wrote.

He described how the Germans had installed pipes to make the gas chamber look like a shower room.

"The gas canisters were always delivered in a German Red Cross vehicle with two SS men. They then dropped the gas through openings - and half an hour later our work began. We dragged the bodies of those innocent women and children to the lift, which took them to the ovens."

>>17904705
>>17904705
I will always give credit where it is due and you really got me thinking.

While I never denied the holocaust happening, the numbers about the camps (size of crematorium, chambers, number of bodies, etc) never quite added up to the point that I was inclined to think the numbers couldn't possibly be 6 million.

I was not realizing that the einsatzgruppen killed quite so many.

I thank you for the correction. And I always have an open mind for new information. Maybe the 6 mil is an accurate figure after all.

>>17904707
>arrives at auschwitz
>spends his entire day in the main sauna
>Hangs out in one of the bunkhouses for a couple weeks
>becomes prisoner guard
>tries to start a rebellion and fails
>gets evacuated
WOWOW

>>17904705
No way, hitler had an afrika korps full of tribal blacks wielding machetes?
Is that the truth about the hololcaust? It was africans chopping 3 jews per second, every day, every month, for 4 years?

>>17904710
You're a better man than most for admitting this anon.
>While I never denied the holocaust happening
didn't say you did
>the numbers about the camps (size of crematorium, chambers, number of bodies, etc) never quite added up to the point that I was inclined to think the numbers couldn't possibly be 6 million.
Orderly disposal of the undesirables in German territory didn't even scratch the surface.
>I was not realizing that the einsatzgruppen killed quite so many.
They certainly went to work. Read Ordinary Men. It's pretty eye opening and it's all firsthand accounts from the executioners themselves.
>I thank you for the correction. And I always have an open mind for new information. Maybe the 6 mil is an accurate figure after all.
Depends on who you ask, some say more, some say less. I'd say it's pretty accurate given the relative populations and reports from the Nazis themselves. They killed another five million gays, political prisoners, Slavs, and other undesirables as part of the extermination campaigns, and no one really disputes those. Strange how the only extermination campaign people try to deny is the one centered around the Jews.

>>17904729
Man I wish they killed 5 million gays

>>17904723
This one's not even pretending to be retarded, he just is.

>>17904719
Court will note that anon provided no rebuttal to the witness description of the gas chambers in action.

Court finds anon guilty of retardation in the third degree and sentences him to fourteen weeks of touching grass and eighty eight months of no screentime.

Case dismissed.

>>17904694
>A. The Holocaust never happened at all.
There are many different definitions of what this means that have been used. Ultimately, there is one reality, but people have developed completely different perceptions of what that reality comprises, including what the purpose of the camps were, how many people died or were killed, what methods were used for the alleged atrocities that occurred, and so forth. See pic related as one of many examples. If you deny the claims made in this book, are you a denialist?

>That it happened on a far smaller scale than the 6 million figure that is commonly quoted.
Usually people who are labeled as denialists will not only insist that the claimed number of victims is grossly exaggerated, but also that the alleged atrocities never actually happened and were only fabricated after the fact by unscrupulous individuals.

They'll also argue that the mainstream narrative has created a false view of the original alleged intentions of the Nazi leadership. The often-cited word "extermination," for example, can simply mean deportation. The Haavara Agreement was a well-known Nazi policy. Nevertheless, the word "exterminate" is now often loosely insinuated or implied to have meant "killing," rather than deportation. That is to say, when the word "exterminate" was used, people will imply it wasn't referring to the well-known Nazi program of deporting these people out of the country, but it is instead implied that the word "exterminate" was originally meant to refer to the frequently-alleged atrocities, e.g. alleged gas chambers, combined with ovens that erased all evidence of the millions supposedly killed.

Many people, importantly, also question the characterization of the original intent. They question whether any of these camps were ever intended to be used, in reality, for mass execution of prisoners. And for the people today who choose to question that, this doesn't mean they agree with the Nazi propaganda or program either.

>>17904736
Surely you can find a testimony that doesn't say that your first day at Auschwitz wasn't hanging out in a sauna

>>17904736
*Surely you can find a testimony that doesn't say that your first day at Auschwitz was hanging out in a sauna

>>17902339
>If Rwandans can do it, and pretty much every primitive tribe could do it, why couldn't Germany with its advanced technology and centralized state?
I think that’s the argument, why couldnt the Krauts do a more thorough and fast genocide if they had wanted to when there’s multiple examples of primitive people killing a larger share of their population with little effort in a faster timeframe?

>>17904749
the rawandan genocide didn't happen and they just counted the amount of people that fled the country as having died

In my personal opinion, arguing over to degree to which the holocaust was carried out is entirely pedantic and is almost never done in good faith.
If you believe the holocaust outright didn't happen, then you have brain damage
At best you can argue that the holocaust wasn't exceptional, but that's missing the point. Nobody is defending the Armenian Genocide either. By the UN's own standard, you don't have to be successful in a genocide for you to be tried for genocide, it's about intent, and does not even have to involve killing, but rather forced assimilation and culling of large amounts of a given noncombatant population against their will and uprooting their lives. This is what the Germans did to multiple different peoples regardless of how severe you think the holocaust was or not.

>>17904753
>It doesn't have to be genocide to be genocide
>If you believe the Holocaust didn't happen you have brain damage
Kek

>>17904744
Court has already ruled anon. Your appeal is filed out of order and is thus dismissed with prejudice.

>>17904758
Genocide is the intent to destroy in part or in whole a nationality, racial, ethnic, or religious group. Actual killing is not necessary for genocide technically speaking, although it is often involved.

>>17904749
>I think that’s the argument, why couldnt the Krauts do a more thorough and fast genocide if they had wanted to when there’s multiple examples of primitive people killing a larger share of their population with little effort in a faster timeframe?
Probably because they were fighting a world war at the time and were busy getting their shit pushed in

>>17904763
I'm sorry but I can be the only person to find it ironic the first testimony you choose to prove the Holocaust has the Jew in Auschwitz hanging out in saunas and in relative luxury as a camp guard

It kind of discredits their claims that the people they were separated from all died

>>17904753
>Nobody is defending the Armenian Genocide either.
Turkish nationalists are.

>>17904767
>I'm sorry but I can be the only person
Nice Freudian slip there. I don't give a fuck what you think is a sufficient answer. You asked for it, and I gave it to you. You lose. Again.

>>17904767
can't*

>>17904771
Okay so if we can get past the fact that this guy was a Jew and arrived at Auschwitz and was almost immediately promoted to essentially a guard post and that he wasn't killed in a homicidal gas chamber, which is insane, let's get to his story about gas chambers......

>>17904707
>Under a garden there are two enormous cellars. One... is the death chamber.
Uh..... Was this ever found?

>>17904774
>Nazis gave some Jews a job they didn't want to do and incentivized them with some creature comforts
Explain how this doesn't make sense. Incredulity isn't an argument.

>>17904780
Look it up. I'm not going to spoonfeed you.

>>17904781
But that's exactly what they did

>>17904704
There are plenty of people who claim this, if any of them are still around now, but they came up with it later. You can claim something all you want, that doesn't make it real.

>>17904780
I think they probably destroyed it along with all the other evidence with their infinite fuel supply. According to some sources, blood or other bodies could be used as fuel, which if true would be very convenient for them to carry out these cartoonish schemes.

THE HOLOCAUST is 6 million jews were killed on purpose in gas chambers by eeeevil nazis
If you cope with
>oh w-well it wa 1 million
Its not the holocaust anymore
>b-but they tried! Thats enough to consider it a genocide according to mr shekelberg
If 6 million jews werent killed on purpose then the entire story is fake
These "people" want you dead and youre defending the most insane, illogical lies possible, what for, you can still be a leftist, still oppose nazism and deny the ridiculous claims made up only to take advantage after the war

>>17904783
Auschwitz garden death chamber? Yeah I'll look it up in a second

>>17904788
He's just saying there was gassing in the basement but he's not giving any details. Remember i said testimony of the gas chambers in operation. Not vague descriptions of gassings in a basement with pipes leaned against the walls to look like showers

>>17900892 (OP)
>Gives their super-secret slave labor rape&death dungeon a slogan at the entrance
Why?

>>17904806
>They then dropped the gas through openings

>>17904813
"Arbeit macht frei" (Work sets you free) was a common phrase used in multiple German war facilities anon

>>17904806
>People were packed in like sardines
>Two SS men drop gas through openings
>After six minutes they die
>We dragged the bodies to the lift
If a crowd of people walk into a room, someone drops a gas pellet in, and six minutes later, you walk in and have to cart out all the corpses of those people, what do you imagine happened in the intervening time? They died. It was a killing chamber. Criminal convictions are won on much less clear cut evidence and eyewitness testimony.

Being purposefully obtuse isn't an argument. You lost and you're trying to play dumb, but ironically you're too retarded to play dumb correctly. Get fucked.

>>17904820
so suffice to say he's using the "they dropped pellets through the ceiling" narrative?

>>17904823
Yeah. That's how they killed people in the chambers.

Remember that episode of Spongebob where Man-Ray is trying to trick everyone into thinking he's good and he's trying to convince Patrick that he dropped his wallet, which Patrick denies, so he lays the entire scenario out to Patrick in terms that even a retard can understand, and Patrick agrees with every step, but when he's asked to take his wallet back, he just repeats that it's not his wallet? That's what it's like talking to you guys. I'm glad to know you have nothing going on in your life or I'd feel sad that you choose to waste your time in such a manner.

>>17904819
I didn't know that. Thanks, anon!

>>17904838
okay so you think they killed 3000 people in 30 minutes with zkylon b, a pesticide, in a basement disguised as showers which was actually a morgue?

are you aware of how zyklon b worked?

>>17904843
I'm aware that when your mother gave birth to you she shat you out to leave her pussy free for fucking the doctors.

>>17904846
Why isn't there a single reference in existence left to the brochures for the dosage and proper usage of zyklon b pesticide?

>Another non-answer
Boring.

>>17903788
>gets exposed as just another dune coon larping as White
well at least you tricked the mutts for 80 years.
but I guess those iranians exposed your entire race for being cowardly women hiding in bunkers getting railed by Hamas BVLLs.
Your women choose to keep the babies too lmao

>>17904886
so they were releasing highly concentrated explosive gas below a 15 oven crematorium rocking steel forging temperatures and this doofus was running in with a gas mask pulling out bodies and hurdling them into the ovens at a rate of a body every 2 minutes 24/7 for a year?

Funny how all he mentions was the wacky showers

>>17904838
Is there any hard evidence pellets were used to actually execute people?
like bodies that show signs of overexposure?

>>17904707
>scraps of notepaper by a notoriously unreliable people describe how what looks like a prison camp isnt actually a prison camp but an unnecessarily elaborately wasteful extermination facility

This does not pass the smell test.

>>17904916
>Nadjari died of a heart attack on 31 July 1971 at the age of 54 in New York.
>On October 24, 1980, Lesław Dyrcz, a student from the Brynek Forestry Vocational School, found a leather briefcase buried at about 40 centimeters deep in the ground while clearing the area around Birkenau crematorium III of stub and roots. Inside the briefcase was Nadjari's testimony
:O
allahu akbar

>>17904838
Do you have any source besides an episode of SpongeBob SquarePants

>>17904934
Sonderkommandos were essentially what kept the camp running. They stole from the prisoner's belongings that was stripped from them on arrival. This guy's entire story sounds fabricated by people after him, all the sources are garbage. Sonderkommandos would be ashamed and not want to come out and publicly announce that they are one. Interestingly there were only 3 others that ever came forward.

Another by the name Filip Muller said he tried to commit suicide in a gas chamber but that one of the jews recognized him and told him to spread their message before presumably walking into the gas chamber. He also spins that odd tale of the little village next to Auschwitz being gas chambers. These seem like characters trying to sell books. Even the people selling the transcription of the Nadjari notes they found in a hole magically come off like they're just trying to sell me a fucking book about bullshit they made up and somebody will buy it because it's about jews/holocaust

>>17904613
No but the thing is Night is still treated as a completely reliable source by the educational system at least in my country, the United States and by academia. Despite the fact that Wiesel has been proven to be a liar. This shows that there is a problem and that academia is not open to treating the subject honestly. Not a denier by the way. I do believe there was an extermination program I just don't believe that there was gas and I don't believe the numbers are realistic.

>>17904677
Post it. Can't find it anywhere online. I think I saw it many years ago.

>>17905204
https://archive.org/embed/onethirdoftheholocaust.part1bydeanireboddakadenierbud

>>17900892 (OP)
>All documentation is a forgery, pictures are fake, all of witnesses are lying, confessions were extracted by torture and Nazis ackchually CARED for the Jews!!
>Also, I am smart. Kikes won't fool me! I just KNOW what happened!
Yeah, whatever.

>>17905235
>jews were killed in gas chambers
>source?
>uh this guy who is obviously retarded and lying

>>17905240
>source?
Documentation, pictures, testimonies, confessions. History of prior use of the execution method by the same perpetrators and of its feasibility. Stated intentions of the perpetrators. Means, motive and opportunity.

>>17905244
>Stated intentions
See >>17904739

As I explained there, you are playing on a misconception of the German equivalent of the word "exterminate," which could mean "deportation" and not killing.

It was well known that Hitler's regime wanted to deport those people, and they did deport many voluntarily at their own expense to Palestine under the Haavara agreement from 1933 to 1938.

>>17905247
>you are playing on a misconception of the German equivalent of the word "exterminate," which could mean "deportation" and not killing.
No, Ausrottung means eradication.
Also: obvious anti-semitic bias and lack of objectivity by the deniers.

>>17905249
>No, Ausrottung means eradication.
Eradicate is based on the root word "radix" meaning "root." To uproot something means to remove it, not necessarily to kill.

Similarly "exterminate" can mean to "drive from one's borders," since it is based on the root word "terminus" meaning "limit."

It's the same pilpul word games. They are relying on a double-meaning and playing on the ambiguities.

>>17905244
>source?
>history, as written by the winners.
Case closed, eh?

>>17905251
No, you use Ausrottung when talking of weeds. If you replant something to a different location you wouldn't chose that word.

>>17905253
>Case closed, eh?
certainly. All methods of ascertaining the truth known to man are against you.

>>17905255
Believe it or not, but the Haavara agreement was part of the zionist agenda at the time, and Hitler's regime went along with it. They were entirely complicit. The zionists were opposed to another faction, the bolsheviks or communists.

The majority of those sent to the work camps were of the communist persuasion, since they had chosen not to participate in the Haavara agreement from 1933 to 1938 and stuck around in Europe. The zionists wanted to "eradicate" them since they wanted them to move to Palestine. That is most likely what they would have done if they had somehow won the war.

I'm not arguing for them, by the way. I'm opposed to their agenda, and their policies of persecution, just as I am against the communists.

>>17905257
What's the number then?

>>17905267
The estimation is between 5.1 and 6 million of Jews plus many millions of non-Jewish victims (mostly Slavs) of a deliberate extermination program.

>>17905294
>estimation
>margin of error: 900,000
After how big you talked...

>>17905413
There are worse margins than that.

>>17905413
The genocide is a fact. The exact number of victims is difficult to ascertain due to war conditions and the perpetrators purposefully destroying the evidence. (Destroying the records of what has happened is an another incriminating evidence btw).
The Germans themselves don't know exactly how many of them have died during a single - and relatively short - Kursk offensive. This should give you an idea of problems with estimating the exact number of victims.

>>17905413
>heh you thought nazis were commiting genocide but they actually only killed 5.1 million jews instead of 6 million, that exonerates and absolves them of any sin and actually means that it didn't happen even if it would have been great if it did

>>17905244
>testimony
How come every guy that said he witnessed the holocaust has some bugs bunny acme rocket nonsense in his testimony every time? And it seems like he's just trying to sell a book wit the most outlandish stories to serve as masturbatory material for jews?

>>17900892 (OP)
Yeah, just like there's no war in Ba Sing Se, there's no list, yadda yadda...

>>17900892 (OP)
But there should have been

>>17904676
>A gas chamber doesnt have wooden doors
Why not.

>>17906075
the doors shown on the tour of the gas chamber are not original and they will tell you this, at least they used to

What did they do with all the people who couldn't do labour in labour camps?

>>17906085
do you have proof they were sending elderly people to work camps and then just killing them? oh you're just assuming it happened?

>>17906091
I wouldn't know.
Which is why I am literally asking the question.
But apparently there was some sort of selection for those who could and couldn't do manual labour.

>>17906123
>>17905216
this video takes a while to load but it thoroughly goes through the process of camp selection and largely debunks the narrative of gas chambers

it would make no sense to send elderly people to work camps, the selection process was to separate men from women to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the prison population. The able bodies males, highly valued, were often shipped out of the main camp across germany. All the women said all their male relatives were gassed and all the men say all the women were gassed and it was because of this selection process where they likely never saw each other again

>where's the evidence
>there's eyewitness statements, surviving military records and archaeological remains
>that's not evidence
>it's evidence for every other historical event
>reeee you're a jew reeeee
Every thread.

>>17905413
Now do the supposed death toll of the entire war.

>>17906175
>it would make no sense to send elderly people to work camps
Even though they did do that fr.
Like even in that photo you can see an elderly woman in the foreground.

>>17906199
and why was she at a work camp?
>surrounded by children

Here's another elderly jewish woman on the ramp, once again surrounded by children

uh oh I'm starting to recognize a pattern

>every jew that alledgedly died actualy didn't and kept this secret among each other for the rest of their lives with the ammount of leaks for this collective conspiracy being less that 1%
Once again proving that Jews are, in fact, the superior race, sinply due to thwir strongler inherent racial allegiance that they all carry from birth.
I want to be a shabbos goy from now on.

>>17902130
Funny how this vast conspiracy to claim that nazi holiday resorts were death camps never had any whistleblowers and the nazis themselves never denied it.

>>17906210
See the train in the background?

>>17906215
Funny how there's nobody actually in existence that confirmed or denied the holocaust and all "first hand recollection" books are about stuffing jews into V2 rockets and shooting them into the moon

>>17906214
Their commitment to the bit is truly remarkable. Even when they're old and have nothing to lose and could make millions for their families, or simply through dementia and alzheimers, they all stuck to the story for the rest of their lives. Remarkable.

>>17906216
and? where'd they go?
>they were all killed
weird how there's not a single witness of this

>>17906218
>all "first hand recollection" books are about stuffing jews into V2 rockets and shooting them into the moon
Post a book that is all about this.

>>17904600
this is a very accurate description of this site, with the difference that most of these guys are past the age where it's allowed to be edgy without being a loser

>>17906223
Here's one of the main sources of the holocaust complete with acme rockets

>>17906222
>weird how there's not a single witness of this
Except not and you're going to burn in hell fire for lying.

>>17906227
And that's all about shooting Jews to the moon in V2 rockets is it?

>>17906234
>burn in hell
okay post a single person that said he was chucking 50 child bodies at a time into a furnace, I'm sure somebody remembers this

>>17906237
essentially

>>17906240
Essentially? So you're already walking back on your statements that it's "all about shooting rockets full of V2s at the moon"?

>>17906227
Did credible historians take that book seriously ever or anymore

>>17902330
What happened to the millions of jews sent to camps in the east who were never heard from again?

>>17906243
Keep in mind the claims by believers in this thread
>you have to believe the holocaust because there's testimony about it
There's only like 4 books in existence about testimony of the holocaust and that's one of them. The actual holocaust with murder machines

So that book should be your holy bible

>>17906249
>There's only like 4 books in existence about testimony of the holocaust and that's one of them.
Lol. You cunts get more laughable by the day.

Where does it say Jews were shot at the moon in V2 rockets anon?

>>17906253
So one of like 4 books detailing the actual function of nazi mass murder is "a pile of garbage" to believers?

>>17906254
Where does it say Jews were shot at the moon in V2 rockets anon?

>>17906255
You lost jew

>>17902297
I guess the vietnam war didn't happen because some people told stories about it that aren't true.

>>17906256
See >>17906189

You're a man of honor, yes? Will you kill yourself if I can prove there's nothing about V2 rockets, much less V2 rockets filled with Jews being shot at the moon in that book?

>>17906265
I'm a man of honor because I show the jew the testimony of the holocaust murder machines and he turns his nose up at it

>>17906268
Will you vow to kill yourself if it's proven that there's nothing about shooting Jews to the moon in a V2 rocket in that book?

>>17906270
We can look at the book if you want jew but something tells me you don't want to read first hand testimony of the acme rocket murder mystery that was going on

>>17906273
If there's nothing about V2 rockets in that book you'll kill yourself though? On livestream as proof? You can even shout "heil Hitler" as you do it.

>>17906275
It's so funny how easy it is to break you ridiculous kikes

>i'm not owned i'm not owned i'm not owned i'm not owned i'm not owned the man proceed to cry

>>17906227
This is the author describing morning exercise at Auschwitz and people having their skulls crushed with sticks

Auschwitz had its own
laws and macabre values. At Auschwitz gold teeth might buy a
bowl of turnip soup; at Auschwitz a camp orchestra would play
cheerful military music, not only in the morning when the
prisoners marched out to work, but also at night when, bruised
and battered, they struggled back carrying their dead comrades.
At Auschwitz Kapos* were given rewards and privileges for
reducing the number of men in their working party ; how they did
this was their own affair. At Auschwitz, in Block lo, women were
sterilized while in another block men were castrated.

it was
also a place where people died from being battered to death, killed by having
phenol injected into their heart, or driven into the gas chamber.

Anyone who failed to get up was lost. A
blow from a truncheon, followed by several more if necessary,
finished him off.

Meanwhile the dead bodies had been collected and laid on their
backs side by side. Their hands were crossed on their chests and
their unseeing eyes seemed to stare questioningly up into the sky

>>17906285
Why are
you talking like
this

>>17906277
So you're not vowing to kill yourself if it's proven you're a liar? You're a coward?

>>17906285
That doesn't say anything about being shot to the moon in a V2 rocket...

>>17906288
Because he's copying it from Archive.org. He clearly hasn't actually read it before and is furiously scanning through to find something wierd so he doesn't have to slit his wrists out of shame.

>>17906288
copying it from the book

After delousing we were made to soften the stiff leather uppers
of our wooden clogs with dirty oil. This was followed by the
painful weekly ordeal of a soapless cold-water shave with razors so
blunt that the hairs of one's beard were torn out rather than
shaved otf. The thought that at least they had been spared was all
that flashed through my mind as I watched the bearers fling the
corpses of the slain on the wooden cart which was to take them
away.

>>17906299
To the right my glance skimmed over
the black wall, the wall of execution. I did not look at the gallows
in the corner. My attention was drawn to the left where two
wooden vats brimful of tea were standing side by side. Crazed with
thirst we pounced. For one brief moment I caught sight of my
gaunt and distorted face reflected on the surface of the dark liquid,
and I was shocked - but only for the fraction of a second. Bent
over the rim of the vat I first carefully moistened my lips, then I
drank, greedily

>>17906301
I felt my neck gripped as in a vice : someone had taken
hold of me and was forcing my head into the vat. I tried to wriggle
out of the iron grasp. In vain. Desperately I opened my mouth to
gasp for air, but my head had been forced well down and the tea
penetrated into my lungs. My head was throbbing, I choked:
someone was trying to drown me like a rat

Jesus Christ, the great tea vat drowning of AUSCHWITZ

>>17906299
>>17906301
Why are you posting these random extracts anon?

>>17906306
>bullies give swirlies to nerds every single day
>a Nazi would never do it to a Jew though, it's not in their nature

>>17906308
>stop posting eye witness reports of what was going on in Auschwitz
nah

The damp stench of dead bodies and a cloud of stifling,
biting smoke surged out towards us. Through the fumes I saw the
vague outlines of huge ovens. We were in the cremation room of
the Auschwitz crematorium. A few prisoners, the Star of David on
their prison uniforms, were running about. As the glow of the
flames broke through the smoke and fumes, I noticed two large
openings: they were cast-iron incinerators. Prisoners were busy
pushing a truck heaped with corpses up to them. Stark pulled
open another door. Flogging Maurice and me, he husded us into a
larger room next door to the cremation plant.
We were met by the appalling sight of the dead bodies of men
and women lying higgledy-piggledy among suit-cases and
rucksacks. I was petrified with horror. For I did not know then
where I was and what was going on. A violent blow accompanied
by Stark yelling: 'Get a move on! Strip the stiffs!' galvanized me
into action. Before me lay the corpse of a woman. With trembling
hands and shaking all over I began to remove her stockings. It was
the first time in my life that I had touched a dead body. She was
not yet quite cold. As I pulled the stocking down her leg, it tore.
Stark who had been watching, struck me again, bellowing: 'What
the hell d'you think you're doing? Mind out, and get a move on
!
These things are to be used again !' To show us the correct way he
began to remove the stockings from another female corpse. But
he, too, did not manage to take them off^ without at least a small
tear.

>>17906315
It took some time before I began to realize
that there were people lying there at my feet who had been killed
only a short while before. But what I could not imagine was how
so many people could have been killed at one time.

>>17906315
What exactly is unbelievable about this anon?

>>17906321
why did you not wanted it posted, kike?

Cautiously I began
to look round. I noticed that there were some small greenish-blue
crystals lying on the concrete floor at the back of the room. They
were scattered beneath an opening in the ceiling. A large fan was
installed up there, its blades humming as they revolved. It struck
me that where the crystals were scattered on the floor there were
no corpses, whereas in places further away, particularly near the
door, they were piled high.

Stormfaggots are posting evidence that proves the holocaust happened as described. What a time to be alive.

>>17906324
Yes as described, poisonous crystal magic and all

>>17906326
Out of the corner of my eye I
noticed a half-open suit-case containing food. Pretending to be
busy undressing a corpse with one hand, I ransacked the suit-case
with the other. Keeping one eye on the door in case Stark returned
suddenly I hastily grabbed a few triangles of cheese and a
poppyseed cake. With my filthy, blood-stained fingers I broke off^
pieces of cake and devoured them ravenously.

>this book says Jews were shot to the moon in V2 rockets
>no it doesn't
>yes it does
>no, it really doesn't and you should kill yourself
>I'll post extracts from the book, look! Bet this makes you mad!
>Are they extracts that talk about Jews being shot to the moon in V2 rockets?
>..... REEEEEE YOU'RE A JEW REEEEEE

>>17906328
Yes, this confirms the accounts of sonderkommando surviving by stealing the food left behind by those who were killed. Thanks for proving the holocaust anon!

>>17906329
mindbroken sub 100 iq kike

mindbroken by holohoax testimony

In another suit-case I found a round box of cheese and several
boxes of matches with Slovakian labels. And as I looked a little
more closely at the faces of the dead, I recoiled with horror when I
discovered among them a girl who had been at school with me.
Her name was Yolana Weis. In order to make quite sure I looked
at her hand because Yolana's hand had been deformed since
childhood. I had not been mistaken : this was Yolana. There was
another dead body which I recognized. It was that of a woman
who had been our neighbour in Sered, my home town.

>>17906326
Zyklon B is literally blue crystals anon.

>>17906336
>Zyklon B is literally blue crystals anon.
are you blind

>>17906338
No, are you?

>>17906342
>white is blue/green crystals
I guess jews aren't very good eye witnesses

>>17906345
Oh, you are not only clueless about history, you don't have idea what "crystal" is.
Summer holidays I guess - hopefully your next semester will cover it.

>>17902297
>>17906261
Rambo II and III didn't happen on real life.

>>17906348
Can't you just admit that maybe he's not the most reliable witness?

>>17906354
>twenty minutes for cremation using low temp ovens in a shed
>modern cremation with modern high temp furnaces take 2-3 hours for a single body
okay

>>17906249
>So that book should be your holy bible
Why? You are arguing like a creationist arguest against evolution.

>>17906369
The holocaust is a religion with no proof, just like christianity/judaism

>>17906354
Dude, he has seen blue crystals and you can see blue crystals (among white crystals) in an example photo.
He actually is a terrific witness because he confirms the crime without (most likely) knowing a thing about chemistry of poisons OR crystals. YOU would not came up with a lie like that - because you don't know that blue crystal poison even exists. And neither did he.

>posting extracts from a book written by a Jew, describing what he saw happened to Jews, that matches in with what Jews say happened during the holocaust, is going to windbreak a hypothetical Jew

Are you going to post the part about Jews being fired to the moon in V2 rockets and/or kill yourself any time soon anon?

>>17906372
>He actually is a terrific witness
He actually isn't because he still can't accurately describe the holocaust despite being in the same building

Proof that the Battle of the Bulge didn't happen.

>>17906378
What exactly do you think the holocaust was stormfriend?

>>17906382
>the holocaust was some vague description of crystals, holes and fans
so... nothing

>>17906383
>massive gassing of civilians using zyklon B, with a few slave workers kept barely alive to loot the dead and dispose of the corpses by burning

This all confirms the holocaust anon...

>>17906210
>and why was she at a work camp?
I don't know.
You tell me.

>>17906385
This guy's literally walking into the supposed gas chamber to undress bodies and he has no idea what zyklon b is, how it's delivered, the fact that the gas is explosive, or that you probably shouldn't eat food from cyanide gas rooms

the holocaust didn't happen

>>17906389
>this live witness couldn't articulate in exact detail the chemical composition of the gas chamber he got shoved into that means it didn't happen

>>17906389
Where does it say the food was in the gas chamber anon?

>>17906392
So he was in fact eating sandwhiches full of cyanide from gas chambers containign highly explosive gas next door to his thousand degree furnaces, yet he had no idea how the people in the next room were dying, just that they made good poppyseed bread or whatever which he ate with corpse blood on his hands

Man what is happening in here?

For those who have trouble reading this one the article says:

>He said that at Minsk Jewish babies, all under 12 months, were placed within the stadium arena, and Jewish women were forced at bayonet point to sit in the seats and watch drunken Nazis play football with the babies until the arena was covered with blood.

This is obviously fake looney tunes tier nonsense, but here you see it published as fact in a newspaper with zero pushback by the publishers.

>>17906419
I can prove that there are no Native Americans because Iron Eyes Cody lied aboit being one.

Another one:

>800 to 900 yards from the place where the ovens were, the prisoners were squeezed into little cars that ran on rails. In Auschwitz these cars had various dimensions and could hold up to 15 people.
>As soon as a car was loaded, it would be set in motion on an inclined plane that traveled at full speed down a corridor. At the end of the corridor there was a wall, and in the wall was the door to the oven. As soon as the car hit the wall, the door opened automatically, and the car would dip forward and pitch its cargo of living people into the oven. Right behind it came another car with another load, and so on.(101)

>>17906435

>>17906425
It's called atrocity propaganda.

>>17906432
>All we need is a single witness that says they witnessed the gassings
>there isn't one, all we have are accounts from the people that cremated bodies
>there's not a single eye witness that ever describes the maintenance or development of gas chambers despite removing bodies from them every day
>they don't even seem to e aware the dangers of cyanide despite it being used to kill people
The holocaust makes sense when you realize these people cremating bodies were cremating people that died on the train ride which is why they can't actually ever describe the killing method

>>17906397
Where does it say the food was in the gas chamber anon?

>>17906441
You said the room the corpses were being pulled from was full of cyanide a few minutes ago? Can't you remember?

>>17906450
So he was opening the door to a room full of explosive cyanide gas into his room full of blazing furnaces?

Notice how the stormtranny is no longer interested in the book that apparently is all about shooting Jews to the moon in V2 rockets because it's revealed the holocaust did happen as described, and is once again, shitting up the thread now it's near the bump limit?

>>17906435
>>17906437
Is there a single other historian who claims this as true.
Anybody?

>>17906455
notice how the jew is still retarded and low IQ

>>17906454
The room had been filled with gas? You confirm this, yes?

>>17906462
The room full of explosive gas that every time it had to be emptied would result in an explosion

I guess the jews didn't know about that when they made it up

>>17906460
>stormtranny accidentally confirms the holocaust
>n..no! YOU'RE the retard!

Delicious.

>>17906463
You confirm the room had been filled with gas? Yes or no?

>>17906455
You never replied to my original posts up here: >>17905259
>>17904785
>>17904739

I don't care about your argument with some other anon. You are the one who is lowering the quality of this thread.

>>17906469
>brings up a book about Jews being shot to the moon in V2 rockets
>won't post the extract from it where Jews being shot to the moon is mentioned, confirming his is right and the holocaust to be a total lie
Hmm...

I just read all this shit posted by a denier. Literally 80% of this doesn't even sound outrageous.

>>17906454
You remember that fan? Yes, there was a ventilation system in the chambers.

>>17906466
>

>>17906472
You are continuing to lower the quality. Is this really all you have to say for yourself?

>>17906441
>The holocaust makes sense when you realize these people cremating bodies were cremating people that died on the train ride
Doesn't placing people into a situation (train carts with minimal protection from the elements or disease for long periods of time) like that count as an extermination campaign?

>>17906483
don't bother they're a quivering mess after being show eyewitness testimony

>>17906484
If jews claimed that the inhuman conditions they were put in was the holocaust I wouldn't have problem. But jews decided to create a fairy tale for profit

>>17906483
Post the extract that talks about Jews being fired go the moon in a V2 or cut your wrists in shame.

>>17906491
>Jews
You realize it's not just Jewish testimonies? Man, you're boring and extremely ignorant. You clearly know very little about this topic.

>>17906483
>a literal who spouts schizobabbel
I kneel...

>>17906487
>Jews are a quivering mess after being shown testimony that confirms the mainstream holocaust narrative
???????

>>17906498
you know for a fact there's non jewish testimony about the maintenance, production and usage of gas chambers?

>>17906491
The concentration camps do sound like they had pretty inhuman conditions.

>>17906503
Why would there be if they weren't responsible for this?

>>17906509
>Why would there be
Yeah why would there be a single person from WWII that was intimately aware of how gassings worked. Apparently most the people in the same building as the gas chambers thought cyanide was magic and not explosive

>>17906511
We have reached the shitting up the thread stage.

>>17906515
But you've been spamming non stop jew

>>17906511
I read it wrong. There are obviously many German testimonies. Jews weren't responsible for gassing, they just took care of the bodies.

>>17906511
>Yeah why would there be a single person from WWII that was intimately aware of how gassings worked.
Those people were probably the people who actually operated the gas chambers, not the randos chosen to help remove the bodies.

>>17906524
>Those people were probably the people who actually operated the gas chambers
Odd how there's no testimony from any of these people

>>17906530
If someone posts a testimony will you kill yourself out of shame for lying?

>>17906535
Anyone can claim anything once the propaganda narrative exists. People can also be forced to say things as well, the communists (Soviets as well as Chinese Communist Party) were well known to torture people into saying things that were patently untrue.

>>17906535
If proving the holocaust was that easy jews would already have it in their arsenal after 80 years

In reality jewish testimony can't alone prove the holocaust happened, and SS testimony doesn't corroborate what the jews claim at all

>>17906530
But there are. They're just in books. Hoess himself confirmed all of this during his interrogations.

>>17906545
>and SS testimony doesn't corroborate what the jews claim at all
Except it does.

>>17906549
hoess was tortured, not a very reliable witness (still didn't say anything about the maintenance, production or use of gas chambers)

>>17906545
>If proving the holocaust was that easy jews would already have it in their arsenal after 80 years
The best they really have is a misrepresentation of the word "extermination" that existed in official state documents. This word actually meant deportation, but they keep implying (after 1945) that the word meant "killing." Many people have been deceived by this pilpul wordplay over the years. It was utilized often during the Nuremberg Trials as well as can be seen here.

>>17906560
>deportation
Where? That's your problem, really. You can't tell where the Germans deported them because Germans themselves never mentioned it in any of their documents.

>but they keep implying (after 1945) that the word meant "killing
Nope, that already happened in 1942. In fact, the very first reports about Treblinka and other gas chambers claim that Jews are being killed there.

>>17906567
>You can't tell where the Germans deported them
The Haavara agreement.

>Nope, that already happened in 1942. In fact, the very first reports about Treblinka and other gas chambers claim that Jews are being killed there.
If true, that doesn't substantially change the point being made.

>>17906567
It's funny watching jews squirm into a new line of disingenuous thought

Why did the allies kill Himmler if you guys wanted to know where all the jews went?

>>17906570
Forgot pic that shows the Haavara agreement was official policy of the time.

As already mentioned here >>17905259 the people sent to these camps would have been deported in similar fashion if they had somehow won the war.

Since this thread will probably be dead by the time I get back, posting one more for now. These show how these "eyewitness testimonies" are nothing more than campfire tales told and received uncritically.

>>17906570
>if true

>Zełman Frydrych (1911–1943) of the Bund was sent on a mission to follow one of the trains and to check what happened to the deportees. He managed to reach Sokołów Podlaski, where he learned from locals that the final destination of the train was a death camp in the village of Treblinka, located about 31 kilometres away. Based on his account, the Bund published an article entitled “The Jews of Warsaw Are Being Killed in Treblinka”, in: Ojf der Wach [On Guard], 20 September 1942

>>17906573
>himmler died of cyanide!
>source?
>uh well it was common for germans to do this
>source?
>uh well hitler did it!
>no he shot himself
>oh... well goebbles did it!
>no he shot himself
>himmler did it!
>himmler was in allied custody, how could he kill himself with cyanide?
>...
>goering did it!
>let me guess, he was also in allied custody when he secretly was executed and was claimed it was a secret cyanide capsule?
>yes
>.....

What are the odds that the "cyanide capsules" is propaganda?

>>17906574
Haavara agreement wasn't an official policy during the war. Also, you're just posting a complete fantasy now.

The Germans liquidated ghettors, deported Jews to "Russian East" (they never speciefied where exactly) because they wanted to deport them to Israel.
2 million Polish Jews.

That's your narrative. They deported them behind their own frontline somewhere because they wanted to deport them to Palestine.

Also, since late 1942 rumors spread that these camps are death camps and the Germans decided to do nothing about it. In fact, they made those innocent camps a secret Reich matter and demolished all of them before the war ended. Yup, nothing suspicious about this. A perfectly rational behavior.

>>17906613
again if you actually cared about figuring out where the jews went why aren't you more upset about the allies executing the one man who knew?

>>17906591
>Goering was secretly executed and it was claimed he killed himself with poison
>this was after he had been found guilty and could have been executed without any secrecy needed
????????

>>17906619
exactly, all more weird behaviour to add to the pile

Hermann Goering, the man that couldn't shut the fuck up during the entire nurmeburg trial who maintained his innocence was found dead in his cell somehow

>>17906626
Why would they make up a lie about him poisoning himself to cover up that he had been executed, when it was perfectly OK to execute him?

>>17906618
Because it's your retarded conspiracy theory? We have plenty of testimonies of people who worked there. They all claim that Jews were killed there.

>>17906634
how could a man condemned to death pull a cyanide capsule out of thin air despite being in custody for like a year? How could himmler?

Don't you think it's odd that Goebbles is claimed to have killed himself with cyanide capsules and his family, despite no evidence?

When in actuality it looks like Goebbles was burned alive and his family strangled to death by russians?

>>17906647
Goebbels*

>>17906647
Nice, so now we're in a complete schizo territory. Everyone was tortured, every document forged, Germans never killed a single person, lol.

>>17906668
>Holocaust testimony from jews is unreliable and can't prove the holocaust
>the only SS testimony jews want to hear about is from the guy that was tortured
>show a jew Goebbel's burned alive corpse and he will claim it was post mortem

>>17906677
>>Holocaust testimony from jews is unreliable and can't prove the holocaust
It's not.
>the only SS testimony jews want to hear about is from the guy that was tortured
There are literally hundreds such testmonies collected during different trials, including in West Germany (I'm guessing Adenauer also tortured those poor SS men).

>>17906683
>I want to know where the jews went
>okay? so are you made that we killed the people that could answer that?
>no because I have testimony of the thing I have no knowledge about
are you mentally retarded? like actually clinically retarded

>>17906687
>could answer that
So Himmler was so powerful he wouldn't break under torture? Because according to you those hundreds of testimonies were all obtained that way.
>are you mentally retarded?
Are you? You believe that every testimony is fake, but for some reason you believe that Himmler wouldn't be tortured to say that holocaust was real? Do you think he was some kind of Super Aryan?

>>17906699
>trust the testimony goyim
>don't trust the testimony goyim
god jews are so fucking stupid, can't even begin to have a coherent conversation

>>17906702
But that's your argument. You believe in some giant conspiracy and that every German was forced to claim that the holocaust was real.
Then you say that if Himmler survived he could debunk the holocaust.

Why would the conspirators allow Himmler to do this in the first place? If they forced so many people to lie for so many years why do you think it would be different with Himmler?

>>17906713
Most germans didn't even know what the holocaust was even in the 80's

>>17906716
I'm talking about people who worked in the camps. And no, most Germans knew what was the holocaust in the 80s.

>>17906713
>every German was forced to claim that the holocaust was real
>the 1979 Holocaust miniseries in Germany did play a significant role in raising awareness and prompting national reflection... [because] Germans were [un]aware [of] the full extent of the systematic genocide (of Jews). The series, which depicted the horrors of the Holocaust through the story of a fictional Jewish family, was watched by a large portion of the West German population and sparked widespread discussion.

>>17906647
Why would they burn Goebbels alive and strangle his family when they didn't do that to any of the other Nazis they captured?

>>17906741
why indeed

>>17906745
Because you're retarded and mentally ill, that's why.

>>17906749
Are you mad because you can easily debunk claims that goebbles committed suicide by showing his writhing in pain burned alive corpse?

>>17906756
Where does his corpse show that he was writhing in pain?

>>17906761
Oh are you pretending you're not seething with anger now, kike?

>>17906765
Where does his corpse show he was writhing in pain anon?

>>17906769
The jews claim he was burned after he was dead of course

>>17906774
Yes, that tracks. Where does his corpse show he was writhing in pain?

>>17906780
Yes the narrative tracks that the jews are hiding that goebbels was executed and not killed with hidden cyanide capsules

>>17906783
Where does his corpse show he was writhing in pain anon?

>>17906788
did they autopsy him and his family to find the cyanide? no? they just lit him on fire you say? strangled his family you say?

I surely trust these people with the historical narrative

>>17906756
I'm mad because this thread isn't even about history anymore, but about your schizo conspiracy theories you can't back up in any way.
You clearly know fuck all about the holocaust so you didn't even bother to argue against available evidence and came up with a retarded theory that Himmler and Goebbels were killed to nor revealed the "truth" about the Holocaust.
And now you expect me to argue with your schizo delusions.

>>17906790
No, it's you saying those things. Where does his corpse show he was writhing in pain?

>>17906797
Himmler was 100% the only guy that knew definitively what was happening and he mysteriously died in custody before answering a single question!
haha, convenient

>>17906801
I'm sure the people who worked in the camps and actually gassed the Jews knew what was happening.

>>17906808
>the people who worked in the camps and actually gassed the Jews
too bad they didn't give testimony, almost like they didn't exist

>>17906801
>killing your main source of information before he can give you any information
I thought the Jews were genius masterminds dominating the world? Where does Goebbels body show he was writhing in pain?

>>17906811
They did.

>>17906819
they didn't, otherwise you wouldn't be playing this word game and would be posting actual proof of the holocaust

>>17906816
>kill the guy that would go "gas chambers, are you retarded?"

>>17906828
>they didn't
Here are some examples.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Fuchs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Bauer

Now you will claim that wikipedia is Jewish and not a reliable source.

>>17906876
That man worked at the reinhardt camps which used diesel engines to execute people in gas chambers, surely you understand that carbon monoxide is not lethal in the concentrations emitted from even a poorly tuned diesel engine?

I guess it's safe to assume since you're pulling this nonsense in response you your claim that there's tons of testimony of operating gas chambers that that was actually a lie and the holocaust is actually an improvable religion

but I already knew that

>>17906876
>Larry Sanger: A Wikipedia co-founder, has been critical of the project since leaving. In 2007, he described it as "broken beyond repair". He has also voiced concerns about ideological bias and a perceived lack of respect for expertise. He once stated, "I think Wikipedia never solved the problem of how to organize itself in a way that didn't lead to mob rule"

>Jimmy Wales: Another co-founder, has acknowledged that Wikipedia may not be an ideal source for all academic uses but emphasizes its value as a starting point for information. He believes that Wikipedia's open editing model, supported by community-generated policies and guidelines, contributes to its quality. He has also defended Wikipedia against accusations of being overly liberal, arguing that the community is diverse and strives for neutrality.
Possibly not.