Thread 17919258

Why is it that only the poor, less educated, and unemployed are attracted to fascism?

>>17919258 (OP)
Uneducated people don't have the tools to analyse what's going on. Fascism offers a simple narrative with bad guys you need to defeat because they are simply evil and depraved, self-assuring sense of entitlement (we are a great nation which has been sabotaged by the bad guys...) and is also not challenging, it doesn't ultimately seek to change anything about society and builds up on pre-existing indoctrination.

>>17919258 (OP)
They aren't
Fascism is primarily a "middle-class", veteran and intelligentsian movement
>>17919264
Please read Gentile

>>17919258 (OP)
Idk in my cunt the poor, less educated, and unemployed are attracted to communism

>>17919278
Communism is an offshoot of the poisonous tree of fascism.

>>17919258 (OP)
all forms of extremism attracts those who feel like society has failed them, those that feel succesful generally support the status quo. it really just makes sense if you stop thinking of people as poor or uneducated but rather as either being part of society or alienated from it

>>17919295
NTA but the reason they both resemble eachother is because both rely on leveraging industry through command economies in order to achieve an ideological ideal, for fascists it was more like "real monarchy hasn't been tried!" while for communists it was more like "real liberalism hasn't been tried!" and both failed because retards keep trying to apply these principles to a post-industrial context.

>>17919269
There are several groups fascism appeals to in different ways
For shopkeepers and other such retards the appeal is supposedly securing their material position, and being able to morality police people while themselves being above criticism. But the 50 years old tire dealer isn't going to crack skulls on the street for the furher, the uneducated lumpens who think they are fighting the evil judeo-bolshevik-woman conspiracy that's keeping them down (while secretly getting off on the obscene enjoyment of being able to brutalise people) are the ones that will.

Wasn't Fascism a middle class phenomenon in England? In Germany it seems like sole proprietor tradesmen and small business owners made up the bulk of the early DAP support.

In far right circles today you typically find a lot of lawyers and IT workers.

>>17919306
It's a mixture of HVAC salesmen, codemonkeys and a seething mass of unemployed basement-dwellers

>>17919306
>In far right circles today you typically find a lot of IT workers
?? Great bait, though.

>>17919258 (OP)
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>>17919303
I have no doubt that pathologizing the common man feels very enlightened. What you must understand is that through all that, all you are doing is associating enforcement of public order and social/tribal cohesion with fascism. Thereby you are ceding ground to fascism and elevating its legitimacy.

>>17919314
It's true though. ITards are very often extremely right wing, anti-union (while being fucked over by their bosses with crunch and so on) and into weird volkist-style mysticism and "naturalism" (carnivore diet, "raw water", healing crystals, muh sneed oils, antivaxx, etx.)

>>17919322
The common man isn't an uneducated basement dweller thoughever. The average person is employed and has at least a high school degree. Fascism appeals to the wannabes and dregs of society, and only gains mass appeal in times of collapse like the great depression if there's no strong communist movement to address the discontent instead.

>>17919331
I guess it depends on what you label as fascism; The average person today supports mass deportations for example.

>>17919258 (OP)
>Why is it that only the poor, less educated, and unemployed are attracted to fascism?
Because it gives them a false hope that things will be better from them in the future.

>>17919336
No, they don't.

>>17919341
Polls say otherwise, and that with established polling response bias in favor of liberalism.

>>17919258 (OP)
I don't think I've heard any serious discourse around fascism since the 90s. These days it's just lumped in with accelerationist views.
>>17919336
Mass deportations of which groups? In America they're deporting illegals. But everyone has been doing that ever since "immigration" became a legal concept itself. I think that the recent talk about deporting people who criticize Israel was a good example of the head of state directly overstepping the bureaucracy as it would in many historically fascist nations.

>>17919346
All 'opinion' polls are rigged.

>>17919258 (OP)
>>17919264
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>>17919331
>FASCISTS WERE UNEDUCATED RETARDS ;)
I hate reddit. Do you not see the irony in sitting bleeting "U R STOOPID" over and over the way actual retards and little kids "argue".

Yes, I get it, fascists are le bad, but they are not stupid, that is simply incorrect. It is actually detrimental to antifa to court this delusory view, when it comes to something like impact of diversity and immigration on crime rates, wages and social welfare you just essentially drop some surface level argument and refuse to debate it in any more detail, then people flock to someone else for answers, like Trump.

>>17919362
People with high IQ can be retarded too.

>17919362
>It is actually detrimental to antifa
Boomer moment

>>17919295
That's the other way around : communism predate fascism. And fascism is a capitalist reaction to communism.

I beg you people to read even the most basic texts of ideologies you do not understand.

>>17919295
/his/ might be the dumbest board on this entire fucking website, /pol/ included

>>17919314
>>17919328
A Seattle white nationalist conference a few years back was filled to the brim with programmers who travelled up from San Francisco, who were discussing ways to get around the anti-white discrimination in tech. Apparently it's getting really bad and is becoming a threat to their way of life.

The eccentric : normal people ratio has really changed over the last fifteen years, the last five years especially. Back in the 2000s I'd agree that the movement was mostly strange weirdos. But nowadays the next generation coming up is very clean-cut, well spoken and less filled with grifters.

>>17919258 (OP)

>Why is it that only the poor, less educated, and unemployed are attracted to Neopaganism?

FTFY.

>>17919258 (OP)
>founder of fascism was a highly educated poet
What did they mean by this?

>>17919390
>who were discussing ways to get around the anti-white discrimination in tech
They'll never go after richfags like Musk who actually were behind importing more jeet code monkeys to pay slave wages. They'll always blame it on the brownoid wagies themselves. Embarrassing.

>>17919362
>le reddit
>muh antifa
>muh diversity
>muh immigration
>muh crime rates
>muh Trump
Balding, obese, divorced election tourists are the cancer that's killing 4chan
Kill yourself

>>17919258 (OP)
It's the opposite. Fascism is the logical political stance of every affluent group that ever existed. There's a reason it only works in homogenous nations.

>>17919331
Of course, dregs of society are anyone who still attends church and not hood thugs and schizophrenic homeless

>>17919390
These are the "weirdos"
Putting on a suit doesn't mean you aren't an unhinged schizophrenic
It's more filled with grifters, because there's more money to be made, as now its plugged directly into the same cash pipeline that is funding the RNC
It's just that these are the middle class cohorts of fascism, the other side of the coin are the larping neo-nazis in shitty uniforms getting bused around in u-hauls

>>17919418
4channity isn't an actual church, go outside

Its a system for securing cult agendas by enforcement of the state for the subjugation of the common man

not to be confused with vain symbols branded on cattle involved in dialectic theater...aka useful idiots

Because the Elite are fascist,
and the plebs are nothing but an expendable means to an end

>>17919258 (OP)
You're probably one of those faggots who thinks that "fascism" is when you don't what a gorillion brownoid immigrants to genocide all the whites in your country.

>>17919408
The conversation was a productive one about how they can utilize nepotism themselves and carve out a white sphere in tech. And yes, they do blame the tech elites for relying so much on visas.

>>17919422
There's no any easy money to be made because you can still get debanked on a whim and fucking banned from everything. You can spend 8 years grifting like Nick Fuentes and on a whim lose everything. You risk imprisonment in many western nations for being a white nationalists. They locked up a Belgian WN leader because someone posted edgy holocaust memes in a discord group chat he was in. VDARE was absolutely gutted by lawfare and had to shut down, they might not even be able to keep their awesome castle. Lauren Southern wasn't even a proper white nationalist, but she wasn't lying when she completely broke down over the level of targeting she got from the government. The sword of Damocles is always hanging over you.

More people lose money getting involved in far right politics than people make money. Jared Taylor had his entire consultancy business dry up. The lawyers like Sam Dickson that get involved have to work in areas of law where they can run a sole practice.

>as now its plugged directly into the same cash pipeline that is funding the RNC

Not yet, but hopefully soon, the RNC is still massively controlled by jewish and neo-con finance. They are massively freaking out over how many crypto-white nationalists there are in the GOP youth organizations, basically everyone under 30 is a WN. To the extent that the mainstream conservative organizations are saying WN talking points, it's out of necessity, they're being dragged in that direction begrudgingly. They're trying to steer and mellow the conversation, but they're increasingly finding they can't.

>>17919431
The people who are getting debanked or whatever are the ones who aren't towing the line. You follow the leader and the capital backing him or you get punished for being a bad dog. If you follow Trump, support Israel and the corporate agenda you can be as chuddy as you want in public short of openly calling for a race war and grift like crazy. You seem to be under a delusion that fascism is an organic movement, though.

Reminder that Trump's had his house raided, was arrested, and was literally shot

>>17919426

Even THEY worshipped BBC, damn.

>>17919435
>you can be as chuddy as you want in public short of openly calling for a race war and grift like crazy.

No you couldn't actually. The cornerstore argument for white nationalism, race realism, was completely barred from platforms and the media. It still gets prosecuted as "hate speech" in European countries. You simply cannot tell the truth as to why there's such disparities between the races.

Mainstream conservative grifters resorted to either dog whistling, employing a black token to say it for them, or by conceding ground by saying it's a "cultural issue". The last of which was the most usual, and is why the left has been completely stomping on conservatives for the last few decades.

>You seem to be under a delusion that fascism is an organic movement, though.

It really is, fascism arises from the ground up. The DAP and then the NSDAP met in seedy pubs and most were just average joes at the start. It's by the definition grassroots, the same with mid 20th century Hindutva and Ba'athism. It's fueled by people's natural desires for their race, blood and heritage. And the more that is put under threat, or the more national humiliations they face, the stronger their tendency to turn to fascism. Piling millions of non-whites into western countries and discriminating against whites is the reason for for far right politics becoming normalized. It's a healthy and normal counter-reaction.

>>17919403
Oh yeah, and a literal prince.

>>17919448
>>17919403
Leaders =/= retarded followers who will get purged after the takeover

>>17919258 (OP)
probably because they want to become rich, educated and employed?

>>17919418
Jesus doesn't like fascists even if they go to church.

>>17919468
Good thing they're not fascist then.

>>17919475
Yes.
Love thy neighbor, church anon (even the hood thugs and schizophrenic homeless).

>>17919499
They're not my neighbor, and it's no act of love to let them roam the streets

>>17919548
I see someone forgot about Luke 6:31 and Matthew 7:12
It's not too late!

>>17919548
>Therefore, behold, I am going to give you to the sons of the east for a possession, and they will set their encampments among you and make their dwellings among you; they will eat your fruit and drink your milk.

>>17919669
I believe it's right justice to hang murderers and drug dealers and lock up violent thieves for life, and I believe schizophrenics need to be locked up in the asylum. This of course holds up if I were any of the aforementioned myself.
>>17919676
Are you aware that this is described as punishment upon the Ammonites?

>>17919429
And you're one of those faggots who has never read any fascist literature and think fascism is when niggers aren't allowed to order a sandwich in your flyover amerimutt shithole town.

>>17919823
>flyover amerimutt shithole town
Shithole towns are typically the ones running rampant with crime like Washington DC, and when somebody tries to do something about it you cry fascism

>>17919827
D.C. isnt even in the top 30 of cities when it comes to crime
Trump is just making shit up to have an excuse to be able to consolidate power there

>>17919846
Washington was one example, there are indeed plenty of shithole cities to pick and choose from with ghettos and no-go areas.
Or do you genuinely believe DC has no crime problem? Double-digit homicides per 100k residents is shithole status.

>>17919258 (OP)
>poor, less educated, and unemployed
those are communists

Because Fascism can provide stability. Also, many wealthy, educated elites were drawn to Fascism as well.

>>17920274
Same with Communism. Horseshoe theory is real

>>17919306
>Wasn't Fascism a middle class phenomenon in England? In Germany it seems like sole proprietor tradesmen and small business owners made up the bulk of the early DAP support.
A lot of them back then, yeah. Also in France. If you ever look at any of these right-wing organizations that existed in the 1930s, that was the core of it. Obviously there are no pure political ideologies or movements, and they draw in people from different social classes. But you see some of this stuff today with hipster fascist (or adjacent, politically reactionary) scenes around tech and they try to have a "dark" and edgy hipster vibe.

Fascist aesthetics are also often about trying to well-dressed and "clean." Sleek. Sharp branding. Greco-Roman symbols. Toss in some military stuff. It's supposed to be aesthetic and kind of erotic.

Look at Passage Publshing for an example.

>>17919328
>into weird volkist-style mysticism and "naturalism" (carnivore diet, "raw water", healing crystals, muh sneed oils, antivaxx, etx.)
Yup

>>17919435
>You follow the leader and the capital backing him or you get punished for being a bad dog. If you follow Trump, support Israel and the corporate agenda you can be as chuddy as you want in public short of openly calling for a race war and grift like crazy.
At least here in the U.S., the Republicans have always been like this, really. During the Bush administration, there were white nationalist side-conferences going on, and the establishment didn't really care, provided that people, at the end of the day, supported Bush and the war.

>>17919431
>Not yet, but hopefully soon, the RNC is still massively controlled by jewish and neo-con finance. They are massively freaking out over how many crypto-white nationalists there are in the GOP youth organizations, basically everyone under 30 is a WN.
Well a plot twist is that there's a trend of Jewish guys getting interested in fascist ideology. They exist in the Republican Party, and right-wing Zionists who see a tradition going back to Jabotinsky and the right-wing groups within the Zionist movement who modeled themselves after the Italian fascists and received support from Mussolini.

Like the publisher I was talking about is a Jewish guy (Jonathan Keeperman). A lot of alt-right aesthetics have also worked their way into Israeli culture too:
https://youtu.be/ha-8LO0seaM

>>17919258 (OP)
Marxism and Nazism (and its servant, fascism) are at the end of the day just two pieces of the old gnostic puzzle - there is something divine in me and this environment is only holding me back, I must rebel to find the reality behind this reality and behind these overlords. Except nazism stresses the fact we are in some way 'divine' and the overlords are not whereas Marxism stresses that we are in particular ways 'held back' by whatever system exists at the moment. But they really are just two ways in which you can pretend that there exists meaning in your life and that you participate in it by virtue of:
a) identifying with a group of people in a pub (the uneducated, the unemployed, the poor)
b) dissecting systems from the comfort of your chair (the impotent, the daydreamers, the lazy)
Neither does anything.

>>17919306
Lawyers have to spend a lot of time around Jews. When you're a lawyer who is not Jewish the whole thing about familiarity breeding contempt comes into play.

>>17919258 (OP)
Real Answer:
Most Fascist and Communist Leaders adopt a Populist approach to their policy, which is literally designed to appeal to the lowest-common denominator.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism
Keep in mind, "Populism" does not describe an ideology, it describes a series of political campaign and rhetorical techniques that both Fascist and Communist leaders employ in order to garner support from lower class/less educated citizens. This is one of the reasons why Fascism and Communism share some superficial similarities even if they are both fundamentally different.

>>17919388
for a board that is apparently about history, doesn't seem like many here understand a thing about it

>>17919362
You apparently fall on the low end of the IQ spectrum as you didn’t even understand what OP meant by “attracted by fascism”. This is not about the leadership. Those are always smarter people who also coincidentally know that the ideology is a sham to keep the sheep in line. Or did you actually believe that a brown-eyed, brown-haired Austrian man actually was convinced of the fact that the Übermensch was blue-eyed blonde and northern?

>>17919258 (OP)
>Meanwhile research shows that fascism was enabled through elites

>>17920431
Dunning-Kruger post of the day goes to you

>>17920436
Learn how to read before you throw around concepts you don’t understand you absolute retard.

>>17920436
Dunning-Kruger in of itself is an ideology to keep lower class people in line, too.

>>17919258 (OP)
We are in danger of producing an educated proletariat. That's dynamite! We have to be selective on who we allow to go through (higher education). If not, we will have a large number of highly trained and unemployed people. That's what happened in GERMANY. I saw it happen.

>>17919258 (OP)
Because class is a rather abstract concept. And abstraction is not something they do very well. Those people tend to like and understand what they can see. Those relatively petty grievances are therefore more attractive relative to grander designs.

>>17920450
Intelligent post.