If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
DO NOT REPLY to crabs, nodraws, talent debates or howies and instead focus on posted works!

>STICKY:
Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
Hardcore: https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>WHERE to get study materials
annas-archive.org
>>>/ic/artbook
>>>/ic/video

>Want to practice figures?
quickposes.com
sketchdaily.net
characterdesigns.com
lovelifedrawing.com
posemy.art
line-of-action.com

>PYW and give your feedback
What can be improved?
Are there any resources videos or books you'd recommend to them?
Maybe a redline or a technique, be specific.
Try to reply to someone as you post your own work.

>Cool teachers
Glenn Vilppu
Michael Hampton
Steve Huston
Brent Eviston
Marco Bucci
Andrew Loomis
George Bridgman
Hikaru Hayashi

>Cool books
Keys To Drawing
Drawing With the Right Side of the Brain
How To Draw Comics the Marvel Way
The Art and Science of Drawing
Framed Perspective
Figure Drawing For All It's Worth
The Complete Guide to Drawing From Life
Last: >>7613408

big tiddie challenge

small pp challenge

>>7615986 (OP)
>pic
He's my GOAT. Redblob BTFO.

>>7615986 (OP)
There's something off about the shape

>>7615991

Spent the day grinding some torsos but managed to sketch out a small idea for this new OC I'm working on.

this thread is kind of hard to read when you have so many people who don't know what they're talking about giving advice. extremely grim and demoralizing

>>7616055
>this thread
>7 replies
uwot?

>>7616040
some suggestions
mostly the waist forget everything else

>>7616064
last thread I mean

>>7615994
Couldn't draw the head

>>7616069
i got some good news for you
if you you dont wanna read it you can always just draw instead

>>7616055
I demoralized everyone too much at the end of the last thread, out of hatred towards me, regular anons stopped posting here, I feel a pleasant wind in the middle of an empty meadow

i started drawing an antelope skull with this yesterday and realized very quickly, despite superficial similarities antelope skulls look like literal fucking birds for some reason instead of ungulate and it freaked me out and I stopped. idk if ill have time to draw today but if I draw something new I will, no more avatarfagging I'm a changed man

Tried to cel-shade but the latex pants confused my brain so I resorted to oonga bonga in the end.
How do they make cel-shade look so easy bro.
Critique and advice much appreciated.

>>7615986 (OP)
I just finished this

Don't you guys think we need to separate /beg/ and /int/ threads now?
These threads are going too fast

>>7616081
There's already a seperate int thread and its filled with begs too so its not really relevant. >>7578388

>>7616081
you are not int im sorry bro

>>7616083
Never noticed that.
I'll start posting there

>>7616084
If you already know anatomy, then you are /int/
Everything else is just crab

>>7616085
Don't, you are high beg at best.

>>7616040
Looks cool anon, is he supposed to be an arms dealer?

>>7616088
did you not see the face on his drawing? it's render monkeying

>>7616096
what in god's name is render monkeying

Happy midsummer to all

>>7616096
???
There's no rendering in his work.

>>7616079
Oonga boonga you fucked uppa
There were some good infographics about latex floating around, if you search pinterest im sure they'll pop up

>>7616079
sex

went to my grandfather's grave and told him I'm gonna keep drawing no matter how much I suck and buried a shitty drawing of a dragon next to his stone.
godspeed, old man .I'll get there someday.

>>7616107
Next time bring furry porn so he can goon in the grave

>>7616068
>Turbo plug
Genius, why didn't I think of that? Thanks for the suggestions!
>>7616095
Appreciate it! I don't really have a story yet for him but that seems like a fun idea! Intergalactic arms dealer. Been thinking of an assasin/bounty hunter but I'll see which direction I take.

>>7616107
>local anon so bad at drawing it killed his granddad

>>7615986 (OP)
HUMILIATION RITUAL

>>7615991
Slow thread huh, pretty nice challenge tho
>>7616040
Cool!
>>7616076
Why skulls looks always so nice?
>>7616079
This is looking awesome! About the latex thing, there are lots of tutorials, out there, it's pretty easy, you need two subtle strips of "shine": the white and the grey (mid tone) and that's it. The white strip of light should be more subtle one and it should reflect one light source. In your pic the light source is all over the place. Maybe I can try a re-painting later.
>>7616081
Nice work anon, it's hard to get something finished like this. Congrats. I don't see that big of a gap between levels in this board. The artist pool is small enough to spread it even further.
>>7616100
Nice! I love when drawings describe a character, a place and a situation like this. I hope you do more of these.

>>7616120
big words from a pre/beg/

>>7616120
>i sit down next to her
>not even looking at her tits
>start traumadumping
>she gets "the ick"
>she is disgusted and bored to tears
>tells me to rape her right now or fuck off
>i skulk away

>>7616120
>titillating
I can't believe it's a real word

>>7616127
I wonder if there's a /beg/ thread for illiterate retards like you on /lit/.

>>7616128
Don't be so niggardly with your credulity, anon.

More figures. I like them, they're not exactly good but better than the crap that was before. Need to think more...

Physical Media Painters:
Do you draw on your canvas with a pencil before painting? Why or why not? I tried drawing first but couldn't manage to erase pencil lines. Using gesso doesn't change the issue. I ended up making that mistake part of the piece and it looks like shit.

>>7616128
As opposed to a thread for advanced smut readers?

>>7616137
I use a 2H to sketch stuff and I erase half of it before I start painting. You can still see the lines but I'm not good enough to just paint an entire image without sketching anything.

>>7616136
time limit per figure?

>>7615991
>>7616037

Can't decide if I like this or think it looks like shit.

>>7616079
Shoulders are mismatched

>>7616161
Turn on your monitor, also learn how to complete a sentence or shut the fuck up.

>>7616163
uh huh

>>7616163
Hes not wrong
Hands are small too

>>7616163
ngmi

any ideas to finish the page? Has to be sfw because I'm drawing on the go
>>7616120
very nice caption on this one peril, here's some more skulls (:

>>7616079
There I tried some latex quick tests. I'll look for the Infographic tutorial

>>7616185
An skull rocking a cool mane?

>>7616195
Alright, I'm doing a lion skull with a mane rn

>>7615986 (OP)
something aint rite with this one

this one is okay
he is sad because i didnt draw him with his tits out again

>>7615991
I can't be bothered to try hard. This girl is unappealing to me. I'll call this a warm up for something I actually feel like doing.

I'm not drawing the guy either.

>>7616205
what are you using to draw? cute monkie

>>7616207
thanks :3
i use clip studio paint :D

>>7616163
lmao a melty for what you asked for… hmmmmmm

I'm getting mixed signals, some people like the bright one and some people prefer the dark one. Not sure what to do

yo

>>7616216
pick the on that you yourself like
>at that moment the student became enlightened

>>7616218
please forgive the unasked-for critique
even though i get what you are going for with her neck and head to support her mood... i think her neck is scrunched down too much, and unless you want her to be a little playful, she should turn her head the other way since she feels disgust at the viewer (people turn their heads away instinctively)

>>7616218
kino

>>7616226
>please forgive the unasked-for critique
I'm always open for critique here. Third option is great, thanks for advice!

>>7616218
I'll give it a mid/beg/ because of the french fries fingers. Don't feel too bad at least you're drawing.

>>7616218
>Copying tomboychad
grim

a blob, but red

>>7616242
mogs that guy who constantly replies "mogs me"

>>7616242
mogs him

>>7616206
pussy
draw the guy

>>7615994
this isnt a small penis. its an average flaccid penis. apologize now.

>>7616237
>>7616239
The heck anons, it's just rough sketch i put in 15 minutes or so. I will work on it tommorow. I promise.

>>7616242
mogs that guy's >>7616251 micropenis

His names Ronnie
I haven’t drawn him in his hazmat suit in a while so any advice is greatly appreciated

>>7616255
I’m pretty sure this was my last drawing of him

>>7615994
>>7616247
Not a pussy, I just don't feel like it, putting in the effort I mean.
Still, a (you) is a (you).
Here ya go.

>>7615991
Thanks for those 2 great refs.
I started with the female one, but I'll do the other one, too (t-tomorrow hehe).

>>7616206
Just draw the girl differently, how you like it. Reference the pose only.

>>7616204
clip studio paint seems to have a great brush to imitate watie color

>>7616120
very cool.
I like the effort you put into giving your drawings a narrative context.

>>7616163
Devilish falseflag

>>7616247
Less shitty face.
>>7616266
I guess, but looking at her makes me not want to draw. She reminds me of the chick from Oblivion(Tom Cruise) but with less appeal.
>Draw her how you want, reference the pose.
I have a tendency to short stack out my subjects as it is. Maybe I'll try that next.

Drawing a work to completion takes more time but I love the coloring phase so I end up just coloring the sketches anyway. Even If I burnout for a couple days afterward.

>>7616266
Nah, I'm not feeling it. I'd have to break out the pencils and the good eraser. Shitting these out with a fountain pen on a lined yellow pad doesn't lend well to anything but fast renders and moving on to the next thing.
I feel like I'm getting something out of it.

>>7616280
I like those booba
Also it seems like you got the pose down better this time
Faces are your weak(est) point

Another face today.
I feel like I haven't drawn a cat in only fountain pen for a while now. Need to do it more often because drawing in pencil or conte makes me slow down too much I think.

>>7616282
Yes, that's why I have the guys face a second go.
I think my issue is that I didn't do the "draw a box" thing so Loomis type shit doesn't work for me since I'm drawing the construction lines wrong.

I'll do some faces. Make I'll watch some John Singer Sargent videos first. I find that he makes more sense to me than Loomis (I know they aren't the same category of thing.)

blobs are red
roses are blue

>>7615629
holy fucking jesus christ
I've found this guy's book and it seems like a good introduction to gesture since it assumes zero prior knowledge of anything and I simply can't fucking do it
the lines I've just committed to paper are the worst most reprehensible pieces of shit I've ever made
and I'm not talking about accuracy to the contours of the reference or anything it's awful stylistically in line accuracy in lack to capture any movement or expression in anything, I couldn't even draw a convincing stickman
this book is going to kick my ass and it seems like this is as easy as it gets kek, I'll post something once I manage to fill a page

>>7616274
Cute drawing anon, I wish I had your love for colouring, every time i attempt it i just put in 2x the effort of the initial sketch just to make it look worse somehow

>>7616282
And thank you for the encouragement.
I think this is working for the moment. Getting slightly less off each time and trying to make it work despite that it's already fucked because the eyes don't line up.
You're actually helping. Thank you

>>7616286
really interesting face study
>>7616299
Thanks! I know it sounds straightforward but I think the more you do it the easier it gets and therefore you have more fun with it. Initially didn't like my results with coloring either, but I needed an excuse to use a 150 pack of prismacolors I had laying around.

>>7616154
Do more 2 value studies and group as many shapes together keep them simple. Keep comparing the shapes on the canvas to the reference and don't get caught up in the details. Use the same brush you used for this portrait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACJqXFyFVQw&ab_channel=Proko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEMU21F7GcM&ab_channel=Athoro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P6gaSJCgBo&ab_channel=brokendraw

>>7616317
Thanks. Here's the ref which I forgot to post.

>>7616327
Maniacally progressing on multiple WIPs since I don't have access to my color pens

>>7616328

Why does this feel off?

>>7616354
tell me the name of the manga and i will answer your question

>>7616354
Bottom half doesn't match top. From the tits up it's an above view but the torso on down is directly forward.

>>7616329

>>7616354
>>7616357
i believe the perspective on the body is actually correct - my gut tells me the unfortunately misshapen foot is weirding the viewer out... combined with my assumption that the foot was drawn well after the actual illustration was done, to edit-in that effect of her lifting her leg out of the panel/page... that is making the viewer get mixed signals about depth and perspective. i cant redline it though to support my claim of
>perspective is correct

however when editing out the foot and "coming out of the page" effect, it looks less off in my opinion

what is the source? i like the style very much

Another face study

>>7616370

>>7615898
>>7616298
yea I just don’t get it, tried like 5-10 mins on each form which is far longer than necessary, I guess I need to study proportion and maybe perspective before attempting this because as soon as I get below the ribcage I’m completely lost
I don’t get how to mark the hip line in an angled pose and what contours I’m supposed to mark with it, I don’t know how you’re supposed to sculpt a torso from a rhythm line, every attempt I make at a rhythm line is a different line shape altogether from the author’s example, I don’t know how you’re supposed to indicate a limb pointed away from the viewer without it looking like a degenerated stump
I think I managed to salvage some appeal in the form with some harder lines but the gesture’s missing in all of them
believe it or not all of these are supposed to be the same model, even the two full body forms

>>7616356
>>7616368
Seitokai ni mo Ana wa Aru!

>>7616374
Whoa buddy, we speak eigo here.

>>7613674
Page 26 done. I think it will be finished in the next three pages. Finally.
>>7616185
Thank you DeerBro! Those are some kool skulls, you're doing some pretty nice drawings lately with those hot demonesses.. Are they Dragonettes?
>>7616123
h-h-hot...
>>7616269
Thank you so much anon! Yeah, after crossing the primal "appeal and composition" threshold, an "artist" ask oneself, what's the point of drawing? And the point is to tell a story, to stir through a visual symbol a real intense emotion, to me is Love and Desire. If I can do that for myself every time I doodle something quick, then I'm set for life.
>>7616286
Wait you're the same sketchy guy? Doing those faces? Oh wow! R.O.T membership guaranteed.
>>7616296
Artistic kino
>>7616320
Delightful design and composition, look at her hands on her back! Regal style
>>7616329
Cool and based GAR enjoyer

Conte is so goated but I can't control it well enough to draw detailed faces yet
>>7616387
Thanks. I sketch yeah, but I'm not sure which sketches you're referring too lol

>>7616392
Yep, you're the one! Unbelievable range, love your sketches.

>>7616354
looks fine to me

>>7616372
fuck i wanted to see if i have old figure sketches of mine that i can show you so you can see me struggling in the same way as you are... but sifting through many layers deep old art folders i gave myself an emotional gut-punch of seeing art of a long gone time ;_;

instead you get another bird

>tried like 5-10 mins on each form which is far longer than necessary
as long as you were drawing with focus you can assume that every minute of those were contributing to your improvement

>I guess I need to study proportion and maybe perspective before attempting this because as soon as I get below the ribcage I’m completely lost
yes and no. yes you do need to get a better grasp on proportions and yes you will benefit from understanding / intuiting perspective better... but how do you think you would be training those? the most effective way is exactly this: figure drawing and struggling
you are struggling well! this is what, your first page of figures? or the tenth? when you have a hundred, then you are "allowed" to doubt whether you need to study something else first... and chances are by that time, you will have come to see figure drawing as one of the most intense methods of studying those subjects

those problems you mentioned which you cannot solve during figure drawing, is what you will gradually find answers to by keeping drawing. you will experiment, get lucky, recognize patterns, and find the solutions to those problems. i would carefully advise against following another artists method / shortcuts / landmarks too closely. you run the risk of boxing yourself in a rigid thinking that is not your own and reduce your struggle in the short term (following step-by-step guides to make better drawings) but create a long term, low level discomfort because the steps you follow are not fitting you
[cont]

>>7616372
>>7616402
[cont]

that said, you absolutely can look at how other artists draw, what measurements they mark down, etc, and experiment with them. the ones that fit you, copy. the ones that feel awkward even after many attempts, drop.

you are already simplifying the head well. no details, just the form and an indication of its orientation. on the other hand (lel) your hands show that you are overwhelmed by their complexity. using this as an example that is representative of many other parts of your figures: ...
why not simplify the hands too? think of action figures that have a rigid hand with all fingers in one plastic shape... think of the claw like "hands" of lego figures... think of "cartoonish" cold weather gloves...

why not simplify the hands into pic-related-like shapes?

try it! you will be forced to make a decision where exactly that shape bends to show the hands "expression". you will be forced to melt together the fingers in most poses, and then to decide to "break the rule" when a certain hand pose requires you to split the shape into 2x2 fingers rather than all 4 as one blob...

these kinds of simplifications will allow you to have more control and be less overwhelmed

and sooner or later you will find that the torso can be simplified, at which point understanding its rotation will be as easy as drawing a label on a whine bottle :^)

the drawings are getting worse
I'm afraid I'll never be good enough to make that visual novel and it makes me want to kill myself

Probably too high to keep going
>>7616395
Glad someone appreciates my scribbles, thanks!

>>7616415
What's your study routine?

>>7616387
yess dragonette ladies ive been really into em as of late
glad u like my red sketches too
ahh her sad face in the last panel ): I wonder where you're going story wise for these last few.. I see something building, but I'm not quite sure as of yet for the eventual conclusion..."now I understand the blasphemy of at all" just as I imagine you're feeling the blasphemy, haha

>>7616372
>>7616402
>>7616410
>I don’t get how to mark the hip line in an angled pose and what contours I’m supposed to mark with it
feel your own hip bones at either side of your stomach. the hard spots which feel uncomfortable if you lie down on your side or stomach
one possible hip-angle-indication you can draw can just be a line connecting those two bumps

or you could indicate the whole pelvis a box, or do a very rudimentary bone-approximation, and so son. it is up to you to experiment, understand and develop your own, personal set of shortcuts and tools <3

>I don’t know how you’re supposed to sculpt a torso from a rhythm line

here again, there are many approaches. dont copy one beyond its usefulness to you. experiment, be willing to abandon or change. but the "bean" method is pretty easy and i think allows you to use the rhythm line pretty directly. sorry for this cringe youtube short video, the actual video is age restricted. ignore the cringe, just watch it until you see the bean torso shape and try it. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NTbi5b8XeC0

>every attempt I make at a rhythm line is a different line shape altogether from the author’s example
yeah this main "rhythm line" (i never give them names in my head, i just think of the "longest" line or the one that carries the biggest part of the persons weight) i sometimes seemingly arbitrary. if your main gesture line differs from the artist you are copying, it does not have to mean that you are "wrong"! but... since you are a beginner, chances are it does mean you are off with high probability lel
it comes down to practice until you can confidently identify it "correctly"

>>7616372
>>7616402
>>7616410
>>7616422
... but there is one thing you can try: imagine the pose of the figure exaggerated beyond the limits of what a human can do without feeling pain in their joints and muscles... the more exaggerated the rhythm line, the clearer it is to see and the more likely that different artists with different tastes will nonetheless "agree" on the same rhythm line

if the ass is pointed out and up, exaggerate it into a borderline doggystyle fuck me pose

if the leg is bent slightly more than the other... exaggerate it into a comical ballerina-esque contortion

if the torso is twisted slightly, exaggerate the folds that indicate rotation and even rotate the hips and the ribcage further than in the actual reference

>I don’t know how you’re supposed to indicate a limb pointed away from the viewer without it looking like a degenerated stump
foreshortening and 3d forms that overlap each other are difficult yeah, but you can simply do the "rubber band around a transparent limb" approach of cross contour lines. make a habit of drawing one such rubber band around the upper arm, forearm, thigh, calf, belly

>>7616417
try drawing when I have the time and energy for it
either look at real life studies and try to draw them
look at drawn references and try to copy them
look at drawn references and use them as a rough guideline for drawing from imagination
or drawing from imagination
I normally cycle between these, depending on how I feel
I just feel severely depressed a lot of the time and even though I do enjoy drawing when it goes well, it hardly lasts bc nothing feels good and when I mess up it hurts a lot bc I really care about it but I feel too scared to dedicate more effort to improving bc I already have so little energy that I don't want to burn out
I just do what I can when I can, sometimes even when I don't want to, but it feels like a total crapshoot
just wish I'd been more confident in doing art when I was a kid but I got bullied for being gay and I felt like being an artsy kid would just make it worse so I stopped really engaging with it until now that I'm in my early 30s and it feels like it's too late to really be good at it
doesn't mean I can't try, but it's really hard sometimes

THREAD CHALLENGE.

Ooopsie>>7616431

ia it bad to repost shit from the end of last thread where ppl don't see it or no? Like this
>>7616415
it happens to everyone, I had a bad regression period when I first started trying to clean my lines, it sucked

>>7616431
>>7616433
>GUYS PLEASE DRAW THIS GIRL ON INSTAGRAM I JUST FAPPED TO! THREAD CHALLENGE YOU GUYS!!!
kys

>>7616415
Before you kill yourself, go down this simple checklist
Hydration
Potassium
Cardio
Sleep

Also, change mediums now and again.
This will eliminate most issues. And remember, you can always procrastinate suicide. You'll be just as dead if you do it later.
Good luck!

>>7616435
Do you want to draw a fucking stil llife then?

>>7616434
Whatever man. I like the aesthetic of your shit, it's got a Renaissance vibe to it. If you got to repost it for the (you) to keep motivated then do it.
Having said that you do need to diversify your repertoire a bit.

>>7616443
what would you consider diversification? Like what should I try? I did some copies recently..
this sucks sorry

>>7616434
dont let others bully you into posting less wtf
many people posting many drawings is good, not bad

i think the harsh white highlights are very nice
the balance your soft drawings very nicely

>>7616444
sure the face is rough and the dark lines of the face are ruining the whole vibe of your style... but the hair and the ear on the other hand are very, very, nice!

also those red sketches are erotic as fuck, i just saw them~

>>7616440
Yes or a proper life drawing model in am imteresting pose with good lighting

Practicing figure drawing. Any tips?

>>7616448
idk, i don't want to annoy people anymore than I already do. thank you
the elf lady there was meant to be older so harsh features but the colored pencils ruined her wrinkles I love colored pencils but they don't love me

>>7616422
Hi redblob senpai, I saw your answer to my painting question from the last thread, and I'm really astounded at your philosophy, but it's really fascinating, and I want to practice this way and get as gud as you

as for light on form, and using tones to quickly describe forms, did you ever do any separate lighting studies to learn how tone can describe form? Like, did you go through a Sam Nielson course or do plaster casts or anything? Or has literally 99% of your study been those quick iterative drawings?

thank you again for being so generous with all your advice. I'm saving all of it for future reference for myself

>>7616454
Draw multiple versioms of the same reference

>>7616444
>what would you consider diversification
Anything you don't normally do.
>this sucks
I don't think it sucks, I think it's compositionally inconsistent. Just take what works and discard what doesn't.

Also, I can't recommend enough proko's Vilpu interview. It's not any the technical side, it's his attitude. Just put it on in the background and absorb his optimistic energy.
https://youtu.be/rbN8wbRz9i8?si=FQ04hn3R_DnJK8oM
>>7616457
>annoy people
I get it, but this is literally the /beg/ thread. If you aren't spamming stick figures and ranting in caps lock you're fine. Save that hesitation for more refined venues.
>colored pencil
It's not the best medium. Are you using solvent?

>>7616466
What do you mean, from different angles?

>>7616454
Loosen up. Looks competent (for here) but really REALLY stiff.
Do a shot (just one) get a massage, go for a walk. Something, just loosen up.

>>7616415
You, depressed guy!
You listen to this as well
https://youtu.be/rbN8wbRz9i8?si=FQ04hn3R_DnJK8oM
Try to absorb Glen's optimism. Cheer up!

>>7616471
no solvent, was just raw. i found some Prismacolors in my closet.
people yell at me a lot and I don't want to annoy them
I tried drawing some spaceships recently/designing some and have been studying perspective, I can only really do top down on the ships for now though, not there yet with perspective. I don't really know what to draw besides the fantasy stuff..

>>7616454
listen to everything this guy >>7616422 has to say

draw the same image 5x quickly and try to improve it each time

study Vilppu sensei and memorize his every word

stfu whore

>>7616478
im gonna hack into your computer and slighty alter your art line work until you go clincally insane.

>>7616472
If you're drawing a figure from reference, redraw the same figure multiple times.

I find it suicidal that art is such a fucking bullshit field to learn that if you dont have the talent to learn by yourself you have to deal with esoteric and random bullshit language like
>>7616477
>>7616422

>>7616485
every term used in all fields is esoteric and bullshit language until you familiarise yourself with their definitions and contexts in which they are used

>>7616477
>>7616483
Alright thanks for the tips guys.

>>7616487
No it isnt.
Math and science and engineering fields can be explained and reproduced.
This bullshit "just feel the form bruh" and bullshit like gesture where you can be given 20 different definitions by the top artists is just fucking bullshit.
Ask metalworkers how to make a certain grade of steel. Everyone of them will give you the instructions to get to the result,

>>7616485
art is the least 'bullshit' field imo

i had to learn linear algebra in college. if there's such a thing as a bs field, it's that

if you want to simplify your practice down to one simple exercise, it would be Jason Brubaker's cognitive drawing. Just copy an image, then draw it from memory (with no ref in front of you, nor your previous drawing), then copy the image again, fixing all your mistakes, then draw it from memory again

just 繰り返す this exercise, and you will improve a lot

https://youtu.be/Xj0lSGVgH3w

>>7616489
np <3

Made silly gif.

>>7616485
Just pick something else to learn.

>>7616491
you're given 20 different definitions because they work for 20 different people, there's not a correct answer for anything
art doesn't exist in the natural world like math or engineering does, you're comparing apples to oranges

>>7616476
Well either your anatomy is improving fast or you're better then you let on. You just do that?
>Pencil
My limited experience with colored pencil has taught me that it's all about the paper.
>Prismacolor
I haven't used them. I hear the quality is all over the place. I've used shitty hobby lobby colored pencils and some very expensive ones and between those there's a world of difference, but without a lot of paper tooth you might as well be using markers or crayons. I mentioned solvent because it makes blending more like wet on wet panting although simple layering is doable with the right paper. I didn't have any luck with the white pencil blending, but I gave up on the medium since I need work on drawing, not coloring as much.
>people yelling
That's the price you pay for freedom of speech. There's a bot, shill, troll and glownigger behind every thread. But the upside is that it's as real as you can find these days. You just got to ignore the assholes.
>>7616485
I'm the guy pushing the Vilppu interview, but I disagree. You don't need to "memorize every word" and Glen wouldn't agree with that either. Glen is a guy jerking himself off and describing why it feels good. He's really good at it, but you don't have to stroke it like him. It's about the attitude, not the technique.
The guys you're reacting to may it may not have good technical advice, but if that's your reaction then ignore it either way.
>Talent
No such thing. The late master Kim was literally insane. He obsessively drew constantly from a young age. His only "talent" was OCD and opportunity. If his dad beat him and made him do his homework he'd be nobody. It's about time in, not genetics. This isn't bodybuilding. It's an aesthetic field and there isn't an objective correct. It's a feel thing and it comes out through your work. That's the secret of Vilppu. You got to love what you're doing, even if it sucks. Yes, you have to work hard and try, but with self love.

>>7616496
Very silly. I anticipated the punchline. It's become cliche.
But thank you for contributing all the same.

>>7615986 (OP)

>>7616513
Modern cars are fucking hard to draw, that's not bad.

>>7616503
Yeah its recent I've been studying anatomy a lot, glad it's showing, I am studying even if it looks like I'm not. These drawings are my studies. I just add my oc designs and stuff on top of what I'm studying unless it's like, fat deer man or fife.. basically anything or a woman is usually a study in some extreme. I'm just slow as fuck to improve because I have lots of bad habits
I think colored pencils feel nice but may suck for anything but really specific types of hyper realism or whatever, they look. Great for that, or sticker like drawings but suck for everything else
I'll watch the interview soon
I try to go out of box sometimes. Tried drawing spaceships, ds9 style stations and weapons. It's just hard to keep drawing something when you're so bad at it.

>>7616107
watch vilppu and pretend he's your grandpa

>>7616519
>Watch the interview
You only need to listen if you're busy. It's actually kind of boring for your full attention. Great for driving.
>Rest of what you said
This is where the asshole usually comes out and says something mean for no reason. IDK why they do it. I think he's asleep tho.

>>7616079
seems like you're trying to draw the upper torso facing a bit left, but the center line for the neck is messing it up. Also the pec/top of booba should follow the shoulders for this pose.
The thighs look a bit weird since the widest part of them isn't at the groin.

It's a pretty good effort though, and your rendering is cool. Keep it up bro

How do I stop procrastinating and draw? Even when I'm drawing I draw some unrelated stuff instead of the ideas I have or studies.
I try to draw, it looks bad and I switch my attention to something else, then I go back to drawing and the cycle repeats.
Sometimes I have an idea and I just lock in and draw until it's done and sometimes I can't even draw a gesture.
Please guys I need your advice

>>7616526
oops I picked the wrong image kek

>>7616527
just fucking do it bro
you mess up, you fix it
do it enough and it becomes a habit
>>7616513
luv me some eg hatch

>>7616524
no im here
kill yourself
sorry, im just busy right now ;_;

>>7616286
great job!, love the broken line on the lip, about the girl I think knowing the main 3 masses on the lip helps, because in that angle it helps to draw an overlapping T to express the volume on the lip that little bulge on the upper lip is really helpful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc1tBcs8lg4

this video is great

>>7616360
the way you draw explosions is really good

>>7616138
beautiful colors love the windshield

>>7616194
nice

>>7616202
great skulls

>>7616513
incredible work, love the hatching

>>7616524
>>7616535
wait... are you the schizo, or are you the other guy who replies to him sometimes? fuck me i might have replied to the wrong person
sorry if that is the case! you all know who i actually mean, so pretend i did not fuck it up~

>>7616239
where is he now?

>>7616536
Oh, interesting. That extra line in the upper lip really does go a long way to show the volume. I like how you shaped the nose too, I think mine came out a bit too flat. Thanks for the help.

>>7616433
terrible ref, way too much photoshop

>>7615994

this is you

>>7616491
yeah it's an art, not a science

>>7616553
Smaller

>>7616555
art is science but science isnt art

>>7616540
>That extra line in the upper lip really does go a long way to show the volume
yeah the T pattern is really powerful it depicts perspective in a subtle way, is the barebones of overlapping.

>I like how you shaped the nose too, I think mine came out a bit too flat.
thanks dude, you are proficient I've seen the other work you jhave posted and i look very loose and fluid, but i feel you would benefit from lightly sketching before I feel that your pencil work goes into detail way too soon and that constraints your ability to fix stuff (from the looks of the cat's tail I know you are not afraid of fixing things mid way) if sketching lightly is not comfortable you can sketch in different color, for example non photo blue.

The other thing you can do is to start observing more art to increase your visual literacy, the more you observe, analyze and copy the more language you have to solve things, the nose is from what I remember from john singer sargent - emilio bassi portrait.

>>7616593
This is awesome. Are you making a comic?
>>7616595
I start light when using anything but pen but I do have a tendency to want to rush into the details like you said. Sometimes I get fixated on an interesting feature even before I've lightly sketched out the broader idea so I'm trying to kill this habit. The worst part is when I get tunnel vision and miss an important feature like the length of the jaw and need to make a late correction.

Up to now I've mostly been drawing from photo reference (animals, landscapes) and from life (objects, nature, animals). Today I was saving a bunch of Chommang's drawings to try and learn his designs, but my art literacy is still virtually nonexistent. That's a great pic and it's going in my reference folder. What other artists would you recommend?

the /int/ thread seems dead

got a request some weeks ago didnt completed even now im still working on it (i know a lot of time has passed but with a good purpose, i needed a lot of knowledge i didnt have back then) about dante fuckin ingrid, nice anon gave me the refs and the pose, wanted money so i aproached it with courtesy and open to take it for a future work if no pay was made (already has some works posted), i am grateful it didn't scaled up to a paid requests hahahah (didnt knew how to draw a mans face, but after some trial and error i got it kinda workin), know i will make sure i know what im doin and reflect it with examples in my social media, i have hope to be able to attract people to my work... btw i love women in high heels platforms they are such a gift to humanity ngl

searching for references thought of boku no hero male characters and saw some Hawks and Aizawa very manly and beautiful illustration or ai shit idk... i thought i should give male characters a try in my studies idk

>>7616618
i dont' like to point out foreigner's bad grammar usually, but i literally can't understand what you're saying

I recommend buying a basic book on English grammar and studying from there

>>7616194
damn you made it looks so effortless. I wasnt sure how much airbrush I should use. Much appreciated senpai.
>>7616210
he's not me lol
>>7616120
>>7616526
>>7616530
These are so helpful. Thanks a lot senpais

>>7616372
pain
this is only the second sheet I’ve managed to draw today because I’m doing more study than drawing, idk how much of it is going to stick
the background leg on the gestured mannequin is awful but the paper’s worn and tearing around that area so I can’t really erase it physically, a redline would be appreciated so I can see what I should’ve done (how I could draw the foot in 3/4 view instead of perpendicular or something)
>>7616402
>>7616410
>>7616422
>>7616426
thanks very very much again, frankly that stupid mannequin pose has broken my spirit (and my hand) for now so I don’t have the energy to reply, I applied what you said and incorporated techniques from two different tutorials (one on basic wire skeleton posing, one on basic geometric mannequin proportions) into that one sketch; it helped but I’m cautious that I might overwhelm myself with too many ways and methods to do the same thing (like that cowboy analogy at the very start of keys to drawing)
I’ll remember to implement the specific critique and advice you’ve given once I’m ready and gotten comfortable with posing basic skeletons, I tried to use cross contour lines on the legs to find out what the fuck is going on but it just made them look like baguettes since I haven’t looked at any tutorials on them yet
in future I’m going to actually try to find a reference that resembles what’s in my head because holyyy fuck I cannot intuit this stuff, and trial and erroring every line until it happens to “work” without actually thinking about it doesn’t seem like an effective way of learning for me, especially if I end up destroying the medium I’m practicing on

>>7616615
maybe try using either a different color or hardness (H) to make your sketch distinct or softer no matter what.

>What other artists would you recommend?
the classics, Raffaello Sanzio, francois boucher and john singer sargent 3 masters from different eras. after those just start mindfully observing the art you like, notice how I mentioned literally a japanese smut artist as a reference last thread is just as the ratatouille quote "a great chef can come from anywhere"

Not much time to draw due to work. Messing around with anchoring features less to the circle method, and instead just setting the eyes as the anchor and going from there. It also helped to space out the eyes which i realized i always put too close together. This one reads specially young

>>7616653
you're improving!

>>7616314
Just keep trying my man. It's all a matter of practice
Those faces don't look bad at all, good job!
Working bigger seems to help too so you have enough space for the features

>>7615991
>>7616146

>>7616674
Getting better
Keep practicing brother

>>7616692
thank you

I tried focusing more on construction but idk how well it turned out, if anyone has any advice or pointers id be happy to hear it

>>7616387
Since I'm almost done with this, I'll post a WIP step sequence of this page, in case anyone cares lol. I blurred the text, but it's important to show that this time I need to place the text first to accommodate the drawings below. Also the canvas size is important, to draw anything like this in such an small canvas like that (1000px actual panel height) is extremely restricting, it forces you to draw almost thumbnail style figures. I'm using the standard hard brush at 3px, if I use 2px, it won't work with the bucket fill correctly. So first I make a pretty rough sketch, then the "lineart" still rough and crude to be honest, but at that resolution I can do that extremely fast (that's the catch), and then a simple bucket filling with the basic colors already at hand in the color palette on the side. To erase the "over-spilling stuff" I "color select" all of the inside panels, then "invert selection" and erase in one go everything that's not inside the panels. Easy. I'll post the next steps later. I'll take a nap now... maybe... heh
>>7616421
Thank you Tremorbro! Well I guess that I'm showing whatever I was cooking in this page's WIP, lol. I blurred out the text though.. Yeah I guess most of the text are personal thoughts.. sigh.. the pain is real.
>>7616422
These rough sketches are so beautiful is hard to believe. Saved!
>>7616264
Sorry man! I forgot to comment on this one before! This figure drawing is freaking hot! I saved it as soon as I saw it, lol. I'm obsessed with this one, you did the right use of the ref. Love it. Everything about it. That belly contracting, those forearms, the thighs, everything.
>>7616618
Can't get enough of her freaking hot tits! Great job man! This look excellent all over the place, even just by having a hint at her legs and feet, I can tell you did an amazing job with that as well. Thanks for sharing dude.
>>7616477
I'll always love your figgies, a pleasure to look at, every time.

Dios mio

Did a little portrait, is it good

>>7616729
It is

>>7616711
>I saved it as soon as I saw it, lol. I'm obsessed with this one, you did the right use of the ref. Love it. Everything about it. That belly contracting, those forearms, the thighs, everything.
thanks.
Also thanks for sharing your process - I wouldn't call that sketch rough unless it's already the last stage of the sketch. I have much more trying-to-find-the-line going on in my stuff and it ends up very messy before I reduce opacity to like 10 and draw a second, cleaner sketch layer. The proper lineart is then the 3rd layer. One of the reasons I waste so much time per drawing, while you have a crazy output.

>>7616732
Thanks anon.

Is copy Bridgman twice real advice or crab advice?

these are one year apart. Which one do you prefer?

>>7616745
They were drawn on the same day, right?
Can't fool me.

trying to render

>>7616741
meme catchphrase advice like "needs more loomis"
but bridgman is fine to study from for anatomy once you're /int/

>>7616759
carchad, how do you do it

>>7616745
Right one

>>7616267
yeah but im using these for the water coloring

but the rough wash from csp itself is neat for clouds n stuff

>>7616763
What exactly? poor work with markers?

>>7616770
no, get the perspective right on the car

>>7615991
>>7615994
ref
also, a passionlip doodle that an anon requested last time

>>7616782
I think I was just lucky with this attempt. But in general the main book for me is "how to draw"

old hag protects innocent man from peach eating maniac

>>7616457
maybe watercolors?
>>7616759
thats a neat car :3

>>7616476
im not even joking but maybe fantasy enviroments to put your elves in
like some magical forest (i should take my own advice )

>>7616783
based
time per figure?

>>7616785
>I think I was just lucky
so you get lucky with every attempt? i swear ive only seen you post bangers. racing manga when?

made this a while ago but redid the face today cuz it bothered me. the head still looks wrong but oh well.

>>7616798
Damn, you have no idea how much I'd like to do something like that. At least for a couple of pages.

>>7616808
do it, you'll for sure learn a lot. making a manga forces you to draw things you usually wouldn't. even if it looks bad at the beginning (besides the cars) it'll be worth it

>>7616796
I didn't time it but I draw very slowly
probably about 1h-ish per figure

>>7616711
thanks man, my hand hurts after almost 13hrs of drawing

I think Asuka could be my next illustration, how do I get to the advanced thread? I didn't see an advanced thread anywhere in /ic

>>7616711
holy fuck your sketches are unbelievably clean dude what

A few more figures, shitty again, yesterday's improvement was a fluke as always

I had fun

>>7616808
Do you only draw vehicles? Expand your repertoire a bit and draw different things. Learn environments and put your cars into them. Learn figure drawing so you have characters for your story. Little by little you'll build up the skills needed to reach your goal of making a short manga. You have a strong foundation to start with thanks to your perspective studies, so I'm sure you'll be fine. Just make sure you're always stepping out of your comfort zone a little bit when studying. Don't be afraid to fail.

>>7616832
>detailed modern fishing rod laying on ground
>uses string attached to a stick instead
Why did she do it?

>>7616836
moar fun

>>7616832
>>7616837
how do i have fun when drawing

>>7616841
Goon with your other hand or do drugs (or both)

>>7616841
not him but i also have fun when drawing, some rules i abide by when drawing are:
1. draw a character or scene youre passionate about (like anon here drew a girl having fun fishing, he either likes fishing or wanted to draw someone having fun)
2. dont be over critical of yourself, draw with an empty mind, dont care too much about mistakes
3. dont try to make "perfect" lines, its gonna take forever and not be fun
4. some projects are meant to be sketches and not meant to be polished, avoid turd polishing
5. studying is cringe, only do it if you wanna torture yourself for a while if youre struggling with drawing certain things. I do a 10 minute a day study routine i had chatgpt write me and its been great and doesnt tire me out or overwhelm me with information

>>7616845
>he either likes fishing
true

new day new start
tried drawing a reference more closely
I think it's ok but not great, proportions are tricky
might try again with something else later

>>7616847
Given your subject matter (not just this drawing), I'm afraid to hear the answer if I asked what your trauma or mental illness is.

Reposting because I asked on the Stupid Question thread and got no replies.

This is the best work I've ever made, but the shading/painting is too dull, even after an editing glow-up.

What am I getting wrong?

>>7616847
cute penis

>>7616850
watch this short
https://youtu.be/-2uFFexbUb8

>>7616849
nothing good but nothing earth shatteringly horrendous
abusive boyfriends, online promiscuity from preteen years, narcissistic dad, sexual trauma from multiple sources, self harm eating disorder suicide attempts and other mental illness stuff, etc
honestly pretty standard stuff for a gay zillennial who grew up on the internet
sorry for the blog post

>>7616852
ty I find it's difficult to get detail on small penises but I feel it's important to practice and not just draw large cocks all day plus it makes it easier to self insert as the bottom
in yaoi, too many bottoms have average rather than small penises and it can be alienating

>>7616850
his lack of lips and heavy nasolabial folds make him look like an old man

>>7616856
I like how so many /beg/ drawings can be vastly improved just by broadening the value range

>>7616856
Thanks, I will save this video and try to implement it.

>>7616860
That is the first time someone called that angel a boy. I wanted it to be ambiguous.

>>7616865
I am also a gay man and I also thought it was a boy
maybe we just see what we want to see..

>>7616834
Not at all, I study faces and figures a little. I just tried to make a storyboard for fun, and I realized that I can't. It's not just a car, but also the environment, the interior, I can't make so many different shots. All I can do is just floating cars

>>7616866
I did use a boy and a girl as references. I also like to imagine the angel as a boy.

Look it up, Joseph McManners.

>>7616867
Well now you know what to practice. Why not try drawing a car from a reference photo but also draw the environment along with it? Drawing from life will be especially valuable as well, with or without cars. You can also go to car shows and do life sketches there to broaden your subject matter.

>>7616867
honestly that storyboard doesnt look bad at all
when i make manga i try to have references for every complicated panel or panel that i dont know how to draw well. it makes your life so much easier

>>7616850
no matter how much blending mode you throw at it if your values are wrong and don't reveal the surface

>>7616783
Lmao artists always hold back when portraying her insane chest bigger than her height.
Thanks a lot for drawing her anon. Please start uploading art to pixiv again!

Name my creations.

>>7616595
>>7616636
Forgot to mention this last night but that sketch from John Singer Sargent seems so ahead of its time to me, I never would have guessed it was drawn in the early 1900s. What an incredible style, thanks for introducing me to him.

>>7616903
Hansel and Gretel

>>7616903
Golzyck'idth destroyer of dicks and Heidi

>>7616372
Have you tried drawing your way and not following a rule? btw you already answered your question, you can't draw what you don't know... For example if you need to pose your character you need gesture and then structure, for gesture read the Force book by Michael Mattesi, for structure use basic 3d forms not plain 2d shapes also look on internet examples of mannequins by other artists and design your own one, don't get stuck with one you found somewhere, stick like mannequins like the one from Loomis don't work I think they try to merge gesture and structure but we learning here so don't use them, it's normal to loose the dynamism of your gesture when adding structure you just need to exaggerate the pose... After those two steps comes the anatomy, and finally the lineart, you must study them individually and then construct the bridge between phases, you need to understand what you are trying to draw, take care of the way you draw lines, Mattesi explains what are good lines and what aren't, follow the rules for some time and then question them, your path can vary between getting in rabbit holes and magical understanding, just keep pushing, I drew for almost seven years but only this year made significant progress and my attempts doesn't looks near as bad as other years...

some people needs to make their own mistakes before learning from others, I did lost a lot of time drawing my own way or should I say breaking stones with the head, but it helped me understand and know myself better

beware of comparing yourself to your favorite artists, you still need to do it to know where you are and where you want to go but taking into account that they have a lot of implicit knowledge on their process and that they might make things look easier than they are

here is a head

>>7616945
can you show some of your drawings over the years?

Some simple figures drawing i made today

>>7616850
I fucked the eyes but you get the idea. Values, palette, anatomy, edge control. You’re over blending your shit basically

>>7616974
It's so alien to see someone get my drawing and fix it for me, thanks, man.

>I fucked the eyes
You made her naughty

>>7616819
You'll always have good and bad days dude. Stop treating your successes as luck and gain some confidence in yourself. When you draw a good figure it's because you worked hard and earned it. When you draw a bad figure it reveals a weakness that you need to target. You should analyze both your good and bad drawings. What worked and what didn't? Try drawing the same figure again to solidify the concept, or go a step further and draw a figure in a similar but slightly different pose. Don't just grind figures, work with focus and intention. You have to have a goal.

>>7616966
sure, first year after buying my wacom

>>7616966
2019

2020

current level, you get the idea, the only way is forward

>>7616992
>>7616993
art genes sure do wonders

>>7616966
somewhere between 2020 and 2021, changed photoshop for clip studio, I didn't know what I was doing or why it worked, but it looked good so I kept trying to copy the style

how is it?

>>7616993
>>7616992
>>7616995
>2 years to pro
Grim

>>7617002
I don't think I have artistic genes, and since I don't have them, I was forced to record the session and take notes to analyze them later, always analyzing myself and my incompetence to draw. If I have one thing for sure, it's perseverance, greed to be able to do what others do, and a goal.

notas, me salvaron varias veces

hi guys im red blob anon

Another drawing :)

>>7616120
Thanks, i try to do those more often :)

>>7617010
thanks for sharing

did a reference drawing of a posed model kit of the pallas athene from zeta gundam

>>7617011
inverted foot

>>7617043
god I'm such a fucking retard loser

>>7617043

>>7617045
Ok, that's embarrassing. Thanks for pointing out.

>>7616079
Really like the texture of the drawing, so crunchy yum yum

>>7616815
Nice lines

>>7616903
Schlubi and grubi

Open for criticism but pls be nice

>>7617030
>>7617026
Can I see your notes and what helped you get to your level?

slop

>>7617060
She is cute

>>7617011
is this raxav? solid piece, besides the foot you are good to go.

>>7617060
Is this your oc, I love her, can I draw her? I have a purple elf girl as well

i hate the redslop faggot so much

>>7617068
Not my OC, but I‘m sure you can draw here!

>>7617065
Thanks~

>>7617074
*her

>>7617071
why
>>7617074
cool!!

at least it's cheaper and more edible than acrylics

>>7617032
Tits too small.
You could probably make money drawing portraits of retarded boomers and their dogs btw.

>>7617085
lol yeah I've done a few dog drawings for boomers and gotten one funeral portrait request but accepting felt wrong
I asked someone how big his tits should be and they said perky bs so that's why they're small, I wanted to do giga tiddies

boobs too big

>>7617066
>besides the foot
let's not talk about it haha

>>7617089
Happens to the best of us. Isn't that the whole point of posting here?

>>7617086
Only you can correct the mistake. You will NEVER improve unless you draw Trump with saggy triple Ds

>>7617095
it will be next on my warm up list. for now have this modern au deer man
>>7617116
peak

>>7616815
There are no advanced threads. Not sure if there ever have been...

>>7617130
weren't there ADV/Pro threads?

>>7616538
I'm the clown that hides from gay people at Walmart.

how do i draw the connective areas here?

>get an idea
>set a deadline
>try to draw
>it doesn't come out right
>procrastinate until the last day
>spend the whole day polishing a turd
>it looks bad and the original idea is gone and the moment is lost
>realize that time and effort is wasted
>repeat
the only time I can draw effortlessly is when I don't care about the final state of the thing I'm drawing so I can't even do practice during my artblock
why am I like this and how do I fix it

>>7616673
>Working bigger
Before I decided to try art myself, the only art education I got was from watching the only reality show that ever held my attention; Inkmaster.
The two hardest days for the contestants were portrait day and pin up day.
Pin up was the worst.
Here, use this permanent ink to make a face the size of a nickel on a sexy girl. One dot of ink out of place and it's ruined.
I learned a lot from that show, but understand I had zero art education when I watched it. Even so, there's good lessons buried in the drama if you're bored.

Thank you again

>>7617131
The dunning kruger must have been crazy there

>>7617131
It would have like 6 people posting in it and they'd all be telling each other to go back to /beg/. It would be the worst thread on /ic/ easily.

>>7617094
True. Nice dynamic angle, i like how you play with proportions.

alright, big titty trump for the requester
captcha: H2gag

>>7617154
Isn't this just a normal shirtless Trump?

>>7616674
>>7615991

>>7617155
yeah I soul red him

>>7617154
sex

>>7617154
sex

trying to use the reilly method hack

im getting overwhelmed bros there's so much to learm

>>7617184
Just draw :)

It's time to get serious

>you gotta FEEEEL the form
>take this muscle here and PULL it towards the front
>PUSH the hips closer towards you
what the FUCK is this old nigga saying man

>>7617219
>he doesnt feel the form
yeah bro you're ngmi

>>7617219
You have to see the form to feel the form
Work on your fundies

>>7617219
this faggot only does copies and is larping like he's kim jung gi or something

>>7617224
>>7617222
I don't feel it mr krabs

>>7617225
I covered this already
>>7616503
Here.

Talent exists, nothing you can do

>>7617230
you covered something else, but its true too, the shit he's saying makes no sense, the other thing, which im talking about, is that hes not even doing the thing he claims to be teaching

Some people here think Peter Han is shit but at least he's really drawing from imagination not just copying

It's gatoday

>>7617219
that's a way of saying draw 3d shapes

>>7617230
>>7617219
>Doesnt have enough spatial awareness talent to draw in 3d
It is literally over for you. Better start tracing from 3d models.

>>7617234
how do i get talent

>>7617236
Glen has demonstrated the ability to draw without reference, but that's irrelevant. He's a former Disney animation trainer.
>You didn't cover that
The part where I said he's jerking himself off and describing why it feels good? Too subtle for you?
The lesson from Glen is to not give a fuck and draw because you like to. All that "feel the form" nonsense is just a verbal mantra to get into a headspace. He's describing a process for which there is no conversational English words for. More accurately he could say "bisect the central curve of the torso then circumscribe it at regular intervals perpendicularly" or some shit but he would lose the whole class of it even occurred to him to say shit like that.

>>7617246
Why did you include me in that reply? I was describing is act, not my ability.

>>7617246
Also
>Vilppu can't draw without reference but if you can't draw like him you'll need a reference
Go jerk off on a piece of paper and trace it, then make a drawing out of it, cube back and post it when you're done. Contribute something other than (you) fodder.

Not that anyone draws it in here anyway but good God am I getting filtered trying to draw graffiti, even anime feels less complicated to draw somehow

>>7617251
>Glen has demonstrated the ability to draw without reference
where?
>He's a former Disney animation trainer.
The studio where they traced their scenes from live actors or from previous movies?

>>7617219
hard

tried drawing a woman who just happens to be trans but u would never know!

>>7617265
I wouldn't guess in a million years.

>>7617265
Um bro, are those cumstains on your screen recent...?

having a problem drawing this from a different angle

>>7617276
Middle finger being so straight is probably an error

>>7617278
theres nothing wrong with the fingers? Im talking about the rest of the arm not the hand, you know the thing i didnt even draw?

>>7617280
I thought you meant you had trouble making the hand on the right palm down.

>>7617258
>where
If you want me to play his videos, link it and timestamp it, post feet.
>The studio where they traced
As I said, his ability to do that is irrelevant. He and the majority of his students were employed artists. What do you want?
DaVinci fucking gives instructions on how to trace your subject. Who gives a shit? If you want to be the next Kim, God speed, but do understand that's between (you) and (you). No one else cares.

>>7617285
you are fucking retarded have a nice day, woe is me that i wasted my time replying to you

>>7617286
Struck I nerve I see.

>>7617290
yes idiocy strikes a nerve with most

ok time for something cute

>>7617268
snot desu, I sneeze a lot
plus I haven't wanked in months and when I do I don't have my laptop open, I just use a dildo, a vibrator, and my imagination
no need for porn plus I think as an industry it's mass rape and exploitation and I don't want to support that at all

>>7617267
Fr fr

>>7617297
didnt ask for all this explanation

>>7617251
those cant reach, teach

>>7615991
>>7615994
my sad attempt
I need to force myself to do more gestures so I can become as good as Deer noonie

>>7616819
never give up

>>7617304
forgot file

wow....
>>7617297
kino

>>7617305
cute but you forgot the other leg on the woman and you should really draw the hand and face on the dude

>>7617304
you're better than me already did you see the awful trump doodles lol

>>7617239
el gato

>>7617297
>>7617265
>obsessed with trannies
>prebeg
always

New bad figures, composition doesn't match references, torsos look flat as always, as always pointless practice.
When you draw the lines of the torso and pelvis curved to set the angle you think that it gives a normal shape, but it does nothing, it's just crap, even these flabby lines are already enough, but nothing changes.
The figures seem to be out of space, I don't know how to explain it, it's just impossible to do it so that it has volume and normal perspective, it's just not clear, damn crap

>>7617315
He might be obsessed and not that skilled, but he imagined a scene and drew it. I can respect that. That skill is often lost somewhere when learning the fundies.

>>7617320
post one of those references

>>7617309
ill do it later got called for vidya

>>7617323
Here. The legs are not at the level of the pelvis, I am too retarded to position them correctly, and so constantly, all these little moments that spoil everything and because of which there is no point in even continuing

>>7617292
Lol, that's not it. Plenty of idiotic posts on here (yours included) but you instantly snapped at that one. Best of luck, chum.
>>7617303
Another factor is that Glen is tech friendly. He jumped on board every new media without hesitation to stay relevant.
My position hasn't changed on him. It's all about attitude. Mr. "You have to do it this way" above is anxious because of his unrelaxed attitude. Glen (I hate typing his stupid last name) is an example of attitude to have. He's happy and appreciates his position and opportunity. That's more important to success than if you use reference or are even good.

>>7617334
you were the only person i was talking with, you fucking retard, you're not nearly as smart as you imagine yourself to be

doodlies

>>7617320
ur not as bad as u think fren

>>7617336
So you're the janny, got it. Good luck on finding work.

Could we call you both retards and be done with this?

>>7617339
what the fuck are you talking about? stupid and schizophrenic? what a combo
go suck off that old faggot some more

>>7617336
Wait, are you saying that you responded to that and then got lonely and then responded again?
That's funny! Yes, I recognize the irony, but I'm not the one triggered, so it's all good.

>>7617343
Why does an old man with a lifetime successful career trigger you to such unlikable behavior, anon?

>>7617341
I mean, I guess, but we'd have to include (you) for posting as well.

this almost seems like a slam dunk

>>7617347
Deal.

shading is reminding me of Masamune Shirow stuff (shittier of course but), it might be the slighty browner skin tone + frontal shading but whatever

>>7617313
Noonie he looks great and so do his fat tits

I tried to move away from forms and use gestures, it got even worse, there was at least logic in the shitty figures, it's just some kind of mess and fuss, crap
>>7617338
No, I'm at the level of newbies who are posting here for the first time and who are already being looked at by talented cattle, or worse, for a year now

>>7617366
yeah this is how i feel right now working on a dogshit drawing at the moment

>>7617359
Be honest. How well are you sleeping? Your mind is probably unwell.
I posted the list earlier. Drink water, get your vitamins (ideally from food but pills of that's what you got) do some cardio, get sleep.
Then draw something you like from a reference. Copy it, fuck, trace it if you have to, just so long as it's your hand doing it.
Trust me, whining won't help.

Vilppu is very mad at me.

>>7617372
Kek! I'm imagining this in his Mickey mouse voice.

drawing is too hard how do I lower the difficulty

>>7617350
At what resolution are you drawing?
I love those o-ring bikinis but I cant make the rings look right.

>>7617359

>>7617371
NTA but 24/7 stress from selling my house and moving to a new place, along with bad sleep and this killing heat and I'm noticing how I don't perform well with drawing, sadly your stupid mental health really can dictate how well you perform with drawing

>>7617380
5000x3535 (A4@350dpi)

finished this one.
To the anon, who suggested me changing the rotation of her eye, sorry I didn't do it. It just looked weird for me.

>>7616945
thanks for the advice
>stick like mannequins like the one from Loomis don't work I think they try to merge gesture and structure but we learning here so don't use them
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here, are you suggesting that learning how to draw pose by using stick-like frames as the form isn't helpful because it's merging gesture and structure? because I was planning my learning around that very idea, that idea being to learn beginner concepts in both gesture and proportion then trying to apply them in tandem, are you saying I should get proportion down to a T, then understanding abstract rhythm and flow of poses before trying to incorporate both into sketches?
>it's normal to loose the dynamism of your gesture when adding structure you just need to exaggerate the pose
interesting, I didn't realise this from what few videos I've seen on gesture, so the exaggeration isn't just a stylistic choice but is to "counter-act" the stiffness that rendering applies, so that some sense of gesture is preserved when the form is drawn over it
>you must study them individually and then construct the bridge between phases
is this your own opinion or is it general consensus that learning each topic one by one is the best way to approach it?

and for the suggestions on designing my own structures and questioning the rules laid out by senior artists, it's an interesting thought but I imagine these things come much later, right now I'm focused on crystalising what I'm learning now in a rigid manner instead of thinking "how will I apply what I've learned once it comes to drawing stylistically?" if that makes sense, if you think this approach is wrong and I should be looking to adapt and focus on finding out what works for me individually as soon as possible then let me know and I'll reconsider my approach

Another face study today
>>7617154
If you ever make it big, art historians will find your sketchbook and hang this in a museum
>>7617314
Here's a messy imaginary gato for you

why are self portraits only allowed if ur a furry?
https://x.com/purrkiko/status/1936191003024859154

>>7615991
quickie

>>7617413
i want to, heh, i wanna have a quickie with her, if you're, heh, if you catch my uh, my drift...

Any suggestions before I start coloring?

>>7617350
Is she outside or in studio lighting?

>>7617423
In my bed

>>7617385
Also vitamin d is big, but not so much in the summer. Although if you're inside hiding from the heat you might still need it. Good luck with the moving.

>>7617417
GOTTA GO FAST

>>7617424
You have a ring light in your room pointed at your bed? Also the stand would have be just above her head or somewhere along that line for the reflections to be in between her breasts. What kind of setup is that? Why are you letting someone soaked in water onto your bed?

self portrait lol

>>7617434
I have a Kemonomimi in my bed and you worry about my light setup?

>>7617438
Please tell me you stood in front of your mirror and actually had a gun to your head when you drew this

>>7617442
for legal reasons I don't have a gun

>>7617397
>>7617307
clone

>>7617297
>haven't wanked in months
>95% of his drawings are hardcore porn
What

>>7617446

>>7617445
she is way hotter than I could ever dream of being lol and a (woman)

don't think the red works for larger scale pieces, guess I have to finish it and add highlights to see

I feel like i suck with graphite. what should i do to improve?

A little illustration from a photo gf took.

Funny enough the only thing that hurts while practicing is realizing I'm turning 32 this year and could have started 10 years ago
God I wish I died at 26 or so to save myself from being so embarrassing

>>7617441
I don't care about your fantasies with the tulpa, anon.

>>7617151
Glad you like it

>>7617459
You learn faster at that age anyways. You didn't miss shit.

>>7617459
10 years in the future you'll keep saying this

>>7617454
Is the paper that dark or is your lighting shit? Makes a difference.

>>7617479
Lighting shit the dark paper is like this >>7616434

>>7617350
Please give her some slight areola tint.

>>7617484
Please light your balls on fire, scrote

>>7617483
Maybe not enough contrast. I know that the red chalk on brown paper is a trad thing, but so are the white highlights.

I think it will be fine in the end and you're worried over nothing.

Good light sources are cheaper than ever, get better lighting for photos you post here. We're all digital artists unless we are having guests over.

>>7617452
stop putting yourself down or im gonna throw hands

>>7617389
oc or fanart? nice regardless

>>7615994
had to rush.
Yet since I promised to draw the man as well I had to get it done and post it.

>>7617303
>those cant reach, teach
Dumbest mid mindset.
Unfortunately so ingrained in society that schools are stuffed with mediocre educators.

>>7617514
thank you
>>7617510
you just made me realize how horrible the lighting is on every picture I take holy shit lmao

>>7617458
nice.
But where's the anime girl?

>>7617484
I would love to, but I really like this over exposed light effect.

>>7617438
are you... uh... biological?
L-London?

someone said i should create a patreon

>>7617535
biological gay male
men can have long hair and be effeminate bottoms without being women
being a woman is a factor of whether you're an adult human female, and I'm male which means regardless of how I present or perform femininity I'll always be a man and that's ok.

>>7617533
Just for you, anon.

>>7617510
I tried some brighter lighting and photo adjustment. What lighting set up do you suggest? I'm broke but I can put comm money toward

More gato

>>7617438
Didn't see this. Actually looks exactly like you. Damn

Man these threads hit bump limit real quick
>>7617337
i've been seeing you post a lot lately, your drawings look like they'd go well in a comfy fantasy novel

>>7617570
Based saggy enjoyer.

>>7617568
Thank you, beautiful piece and design

pushed it too far

>>7617574
I love it

>>7617459
this mangaka is 18, how do you feel?

>>7617580
Mid

>>7617580
Why would he compare himself to this person anyway?

No cats

>>7617592
Man that's amazing

>>7617320
>>7617332
It doesn't look that bad, you're paying attention to the negative shapes, and the back silhouette is also fine. I think you’re dealing with two main problems: workflow and understanding of the shoulder.

The issue I see with your current workflow is that it feels too linear. It looks like you start with the head, but then struggle with the torso’s proportions and have to go back to adjust the head with that weird triangle shape to add volume. It also seems like you draw the limbs in a linear way, without enough mileage results in problems with hand and foot placement. I think that’s what led to the large gap between the feet.

As for the shoulder, it feels fused to the chest, in reality the shoulder is incredibly mobile. When you see rotation in the torso, it’s usually a combination of movement of the shoulder and the latissimus dorsi. The ribcage itself is a stiff structure (your spine doesn’t really rotate much). Try to picture the shoulders as separate, blobs that move independently from the torso.

try different workflows there is reilly, loomis, jack hamm, bridgman, etc

>>7616387
>>7616711
Alright Page 27 done! It made no sense to do another "WIP" post. Once I have that flat color layer, I put two layers on top with 20% opacity, one for shadow, one for light, using the same brush on full black or full white. And that's it. The "backgrounds" tho, are the first thing I do, it has to be simple, just a hint is enough to put the characters in the right scene. The white moon and the plants mean that they are in the river bank the night before, the yellow old sun and some grey angular forms means that they are on the town square upon the scaffold. Easy. I did some minor fixes here and there. Added the text bubbles, some "SFX", and it's done.
>>7616733
>>7616817
Thank you so much anons! As I said the canvas size is so small that I don't have much room for "brutal mistakes", there's only so many options to pose a figure in such an small panel, but sometimes, specially in the sex scenes, I surely take a minute to come up with a nice pose. Hard Sex scenes are tough to draw. These ones are easier.
>>7616815
>how do I get to the advanced thread? I didn't see an advanced thread anywhere in /ic
There's no /ADV/ thread in /ic/.. because there are no advanced artists in this board lol, the only one could be you, I mean it for real. Don't worry, any anon posting his work here is a blessing. No one is a complete beg or a complete int here, everyone have their strong points and their /beg/ weaknesses. Nothing is absolute, Everything is relative.
>>7617063
>>7617077
>>7617337
RED Tremor vs RED Blob??! Gotta admit that Red Tremor has the advantage of a clear style and a whole bunch of established OCs, RED Blob needs to up his game now
>>7617350
PFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!! s-s-saved...

>>7617532
Hey, it's easy improvement!

>>7615991

>>7615986 (OP)
character consistency (side profiles for instance)

>>7617543
That's already way better. I just have whatever Amazon bullshit was the cheapest.
This was what I learned looking into weapon lights for my Luigi special, but it applies here. Basically the high end lights from 3 years ago are getting logged by the latest chinesium. The cheapest crap on amazon today is better than the most expensive thing you find buy 5 years ago.
https://a.co/d/0IxjdYw
t.This is 20 bucks and I bet it will be more than you need. I spent 2 minutes on Amazon, so if you want to look harder go ahead
(Pic isn't the weapon light, but it was 70 bucks and can literally blind you in a fight.)

oh my fucking god WHY can't I draw even a basic fucking stick figure I'm going to kill myself

>>7615991
Eternal /beg/ here. Picked up the stylus for the first time in a year. How’d I do?

study

>>7617624
5yo girls can draw stick figures, you must be retareded

>>7617604
>>7617616
lmfao you've changed my life, I just realized how I've taken my pics has literally made some of my lines fucking disappear?? LMFAOOO like you can actually see all the lines if you edit it
>>7617601
Thanks tremor! I'm just a pale imitation of him haha, I'm inspired to try the red since it seems to help him.
beautiful first panel both the faces and dialogue! lovely! poor girl and her tears..Life, joy end it all
her adorable nervous smile
his flashes of memories
very nice

>>7617632
WAIT I FORGOT THE IMG bc of trump address >>7617616

>>7617630

>>7617632
wait until you figure out that your phone can't display certain colors

>>7617593
Thanks.

>>7617653
DON'T EVEN TELL ME MY ENTIRE LIFE HAS CHANGED ALREADY WHAT IS HAPPENING

10 min doodle before I sleep.

>>7617671
She could crush me with those thighs... haha...

i wonder how many permabegs are also schizos, i think there's a relationship

been watching invincible

how do you bros overcome bouts of frustration with drawing? do you take a break, study masters or break the bout with more drawing?

asirpa but 21

>>7617692
CUTE

>>7617696
THANKS it's all I can draw when I'm drunk lol

Couple doodles/twitter refs after finishing my daily practice of 1 min figures. I haven't been drawing that much outside of my daily practice but I've been a bit busy, I want to continue with Bridgman tomorrow. I want to draw more.
>>7616274
Cute gay horse.
>>7616081
Cute

High me picks the hardest poses and can't draw cat faces, so I guess it's over for the night.

>>7617714
what are you using for pencil here?

>>7617719
Conte crayons

Late night stuff

>>7617632
Thank you Tremorbro! Looking at that page again, there's a couple of things that I wanted to fix, just ultra minor details, but, since you're collecting these, you may appreciate it.
>beautiful first panel
Doing those first two panels, the second one in particular, literally provoked me a real sensation of vertigo in my guts... That's the kind of shit that I seek when doing art. The anguish of having my guts up to my fucking throat. It's almost done.
>>7617633
Epic assemble! Amazing stuff Tremor.

>>7617630
Dude you're crazy talented, saving that hot lady

>>7617721
Really cute, saved

>>7615986 (OP)

Trying to figure out some proportions for some torsos. Does anybody else think that tall hips look sexy?

>>7617711
Damn, these are looking good. Hope you find more time to draw.

>>7617633
>>7617663
I wish my phone could take photos half as good as these...

>>7617568
This from smt?

>>7616457
>idk, i don't want to annoy people anymore than I already do. thank you
you are not annoying
you are hard working, you are humble, you are kind, your presence is a net positive on this thread

>>7616463
thank you <3 you are very kind
>did you ever do any separate lighting studies to learn how tone can describe form? Like, did you go through a Sam Nielson course or do plaster casts or anything? Or has literally 99% of your study been those quick iterative drawings?
in terms of painting i have never followed any course or even semi-strict exercise like i do for drawing/sketching. i did paint way more in the past... just passive absorbtion of experience and other artist's insights. even if i did not "work through" them i can recommend these two books on painting: "light and color" by james gourney, and "alla prima" by richard schmid. above all else, paint a lot and experiment! your own experience will outpace any theoretical resource sooner or later, and the more you practice, the more it is "sooner" :^)

as for quick, rough tone / shading during sketching: that is simply a simplified / degenerated application of what i would normally do when finishing a sketch. the usual, formulaic passes of form shadows, cast shadows, local value, reflections etc. only done roughly, and all on the same layer. so that part of my sketching did evolve from the rigid practice, namely the time limit forcing me to compress more and more of the rendering stages at the end, to fit into the limited sketching time. and since it is so helpful in describing form to have a good base for subsequently placed marks, these shading passes stuck around to become part of "construction" and lose their stance as "rendering" / "polishing"

>>7616496
i dont get it, but i like it <3

>>7616476
i am going to yell at you if you dont stop listening to people who yell at you >:(

>>7617721
Suicidemogsme.

>>7617711
what pen is this

>>7616513
exceptionally cool

>>7616630
as flawed as they are, these sketches show a decent amount of the "good kind" of struggling. even if it might not feel like it in the daily grind, you are improving!

>I tried to use cross contour lines on the legs to find out what the fuck is going on but it just made them look like baguettes since I haven’t looked at any tutorials on them yet
really? i dont see them... or maybe you mean the edges of those limb-cylinders count as cross contour lines? in any case, you should draw them all the way through as if the limb were transparent (you can press a bit lighter on the far side to hint at its position). the point of cross contour lines is to give a visual indicator of position and rotation of a body part (for example). being clear by "drawing THROUGH" the form is of greater value than making the sketch look like a realistic, solid limb!

>n future I’m going to actually try to find a reference that resembles what’s in my head because holyyy fuck I cannot intuit this stuff, and trial and erroring every line until it happens to “work” without actually thinking about it doesn’t seem like an effective way of learning for me, especially if I end up destroying the medium I’m practicing on

as a beginner, most of your figure drawings should be from reference, not from imagination
of course you are hitting a cognitive wall when trying to draw something that you do not understand fully yet. you learn by observing a real figure and trying to break it down (by drawing it). when trying to conjure a flawed figure out of your underdeveloped "visual library" you will just struggle with little benefit
i understand you are following tutorials and eagerly doing whatever practice you can lay your hands on, so i dont want to discourage you! but... doing multiple short reference sketches is more efficient than longer imagination drawings
[cont]

>>7617742
NTA but any fineliner marker pen will do. Don't need to worry about the brand in all honesty. Check sakura pigma, pilot, mono, uni, kurutoga, Steadtler, etc. Personnally I really like 0.8mm, very fun and not too small like 0.1mm. Cheers

>>7617740
awww thanks buddy, means a lot to know you don't think I'm that irritating lol
maybe i will try listening less!

>>7616630
[cont]
those skeleton and mannequin conceptualizations that you are practicing... ideally, you would be doing them in your sketch from reference! and ideally, you would not stick too strictly to them too~ what you describe of painstakingly trying and retrying to make accurate lines and just how your lines look... these approaches to figure drawing are mindsets, not strict step-by-step guides. you do not necessarily have to *draw* a mannequin's cylindrical thigh, as long as you can *visualize* a womans juicy thigh in a reference pic as being a large, cylindrical and slightly squishy hunk of 3dimensional meat...

you are very welcome by the way! if i can have a positive impact on beginners, that makes me glad. the fact that i keep getting showered in "thank you"s has been the highlight of my day for the past days ;_; it means a lot to me! and please dont feel bad, or pressured, or needing justification for anything... seeing you post work and improve and struggle is gratifying for everybody else in this thread too!

>a redline would be appreciated so I can see what I should’ve done (how I could draw the foot in 3/4 view instead of perpendicular or something)
first of all, you should have been drawing from a ref instead of from imagination :^)
second, how the fuck am i supposed to correct a drawing that is an imperfect approximation of YOUR imagination? i dont know what angle the figure's leg was inside your mind :^)
third, im not actually that good at anatomy, only large gesture style blobs, so all you would receive is a softer, more rounded version of you angular foot approximation :^)

i do hate to disappoint you though... i want to offer to draw refs of your choosing so you can compare our sketches, but i cant draw right now

>>7616711
>These rough sketches are so beautiful is hard to believe. Saved!
thanks! but you are being too kind lmao
seeing your comic progress always gives me the itch to draw something with a story myself...

>>7617711
Thanks.
>tamamo cross in casual clothes
Adorable hors. I wanna try drawing her soon but gremlin proportions might be hard for me.

>>7616729
its not bad
some parts are still a bit symbol-drawn
but the biggest weakness are the proportions - the facial elements themselves are pretty decent, but their positions relative to each other are slightly off here and there. eyes a bit wonky, mouth protruding too far forward compared to the nose, the ear is placed wrong too... i know i cant see it, i just KNOW beneath all that hair, the ear is wrong :^)

on the other hand you managed to carry the girls prettiness (in my opinion) over into your drawing, which is more important than technical aspects of drawing

>>7616759
still cool
still not fappable >:(

>>7616783
i have nothing particular to say, you already know that you are good. i just want to give you a (You)
you art is vibing japanese!

>>7616803
maybe the head is too small? hard to tell, especially since i rarely consume your type of style...
your bold values and shapes are very cool, but your lines seem a bit timid and weak in comparison... maybe try bolder lines and more aggressively sharp angles~
in any case, neat!

Car sketch

>>7616630
here’s how my day has been
this is the only time I’ll post something that I’m going to throw away since I don’t want to fill the thread with shitty scribbles but I didn’t even touch my sketchbook today
working on printer paper for stuff like this is pretty neat, I could burn through a dozen sheets of this shit in a day so long as it doesn’t make me want to kms in the process
I did an hour or so of copying from references and then tried to produce a page of imaginative poses to see if any of it would stick in the short-term and, to absolutely no surprise, nope, still not there yet (the referenced poses weren’t any better)
I’ll trust in the process that this is indeed forming good long-term habits and that I’ll begin to memorise proportions through brute force, but I think I need to spend some cognitive load on doing some self-assessment and iterative correction next time since I was mostly blasting these out without much thought
>>7617746
thanks again redblob (idk if that’s a pejorative name but it’s what the rest of the thread seems to call you)
>or maybe you mean the edges of those limb-cylinders count as cross contour lines?
you can see the remnants of it on the figure’s right leg, I gave up quickly once I realised I had no idea why I was doing it kek
>the point of cross contour lines
yeah I found tutorials from richard smitheman and I understand it better now, at the time I did that sketch I only understood cross contour lines to show the topology of some form, but now I learned that they also show the perspective of the whole volume and not just the curvature of the form’s surface

>>7617746
>you learn by observing a real figure and trying to break it down (by drawing it)
this sounds silly in retrospect but I was hesitant to study from reference previously was because I didn’t feel as though I have enough experience with thinking volumetrically to construct using 3D shapes, and I thought abbreviating a>>7617746
reference into basic 2D shapes involved so much abstraction that I may as well draw it from my mind… but now I realise that training my ability to view real models in terms of abstract shapes and lines is kind of the point lmao
I’m going to incorporate quickposes into my daily practice now, so I’ll be forced to use references whether I like it or not
>doing multiple short reference sketches is more efficient than longer imagination drawings
interesting, good to know, I’m following the drawabox course and it mentions the 50% rule (i.e at least 50% of your time drawing should be from imagination rather than study and practicing skills), but I’m not sure how helpful that rule will be with my non-existent visual library… or, the point of that rule could be to draw without that knowledge and to learn to cope with failure and frustration… do you think it’s ever possible for drawing to be unhelpful, or damaging to long-term habits? or should I continue experimenting and attempting to do still lifes/imaginative stuff while I can’t do it well (and don’t enjoy it)
>>7617752
>ideally, you would be doing them in your sketch from reference!
absolutely, those “no ref” sketches were just to make sure I could remember the ratios and relative positions I’d just learned in the tutorial lol, I think I’ve gotten them memorised now, even if I don’t always portray them accurately in posed sketches
>if i can have a positive impact on beginners, that makes me glad
at this point if I ever make it I am citing redblob as my tutor, it’s fortunate for me that you find fulfilment in helping beg shitters otherwise I’d be even more lost a week in lmao

>>7616832
>I had fun
unironically it shows in her pose and face, very soulful
<3

>>detailed modern fishing rod laying on ground
>>uses string attached to a stick instead
>Why did she do it?
>moar fun
unfathomably based and soulpilled

>>7616867
>carchad draws a human for once
>it is not a big tittied anime girl
>still not fappable
>:(

>>7616971
they are much prettier and more skillful than your presentation gives them credit... before posting figures like this, edit them to be bigger and arrange them neatly in the center so they form a nice composition together
i like 2 3 4 and 8 very much

>>7616992
seriously admirable progress in just 2-3 years... even the first sketches in 2018 are more hit than miss
out of curiosity (and envy), how much did you draw per day or week on average over those 3 years?

>>7617011
very nice!
if you use small, dark, slivers of linework to show deep crevices and shadows like under her chin... consider to use that technique in other areas too for consistency. for example where her breasts press into each other, between her butt cheek and achiles tendon, in the dip between breast and armpit, etc...

>>7617752
>first of all, you should have been drawing from a ref instead of from imagination :^)
it’s good to learn this the hard way
>second, how the fuck am i supposed to correct a drawing that is an imperfect approximation of YOUR imagination? i dont know what angle the figure's leg was inside your mind :^)
idk you’re supposed to be the drawing guy now fix my work
but seriously the pose just kind of “happened”, there wasn’t much intent behind the legs since I couldn’t even visualise how it was supposed to look in my head kek

>>7617524
oc of someone else

>>7617032
i feel responsible and guilty for influencing you to create this abomination lmao
now if you can be cruel to the local schizo, i can retire from art peacefully :^)

>>7617063
>>7617413
okay seriously though, i am becoming envious, those are very clean and yet expressive lines
good job!
and this too wtf
>>7617154
>>7617264

>>7617047
lmao

>>7617133
i dont know what you are talking about
ive never seen any clowns at walm-
oh no no NO NOOOOOOOO

>>7617136
perhaps rephrase you question, i dont know what you mean. it looks very nice though!

>>7617395
very pretty!

>>7617455
draw bigger
if you hatch, do so deliberately. dont do zig-zag squiggles, but individual and parallele lines
when erasing highlights (eg hair), outline the highlight shape with a faint line, giving it a "graphic" look. the erased white spot becomes its own shape, and for consistency's sake, should get its own outline!
when your drawing is nearly finished, consider redrawing the most imprtant lines in a stronger and more deliberate way, like you did here with the outline of her face and eyebrows

>>7617033
>>7617516
cute!

>>7617626
>Eternal /beg/ here. Picked up the stylus for the first time in a year. How’d I do?
that depends on how long you have been drawing before that year long break~
the line drawing is catastrophical, the construction sketch is difficult to gauge. it might be that you are rusty or it might be that you are going "through the motions" of drawing boxes and skeleton parts without actually, consciously, trying to construct the figure...
trying to find something nice to say... your proportions are mostly correct though. size and position of the body parts are mostly accurate, so you can definitely measure visually!

>>7617630
>>7617637
lmao
into my inspiration folder it goes~

>>7617659
im sorry to say this anon, but your cats pale in comparison to your humans
this is actually cute

>>7617711
i admire how nice your faces look with so few careful yet expressive lines
saved

>>7617738
>Trying to figure out some proportions for some torsos. Does anybody else think that tall hips look sexy?
no. nobody. you are the only hetero man on the planet, actually.

this concludes my multi-post spam to catch up on all the posts of the previous 30 hours

now *begins* my multi-post spam to catch up on all the posts that were made while i was mass replying for the past
>checks timestamp
2.5 hours
what the fuck

thoughts on the anatomy before i render it?

>>7617309
did it

>>7617592
I- I kneel...

>>7617775
I was doing my last sheet for the day with longer 3 min poses and I finally managed to make two that I’m happier with than usual, at least to an extent that I can sense my first slightest bit of marginal improvement
they may be total shit, indeed, but they’re the first “feel” sketches I’ve made where I myself don’t “feel” like total shit once they’re completed

>>7617804
gestures, 90 seconds
always open to advice

>>7617804
good boy

>>7617797
Your character is very square

>>7617815
Youre very square irl and we dont mention it either

yeah, and this guy was fantasizing about his manga yesterday... Fuck, I'm so weak, I can't do anything

Man I am fucking trash

I AM TIRED OF NOT BEING ABLE TO DRAW FROM IMAGINATION.
I AM TIRED OF SEEING FUCKING NICE WORK I LOVE AND BEING UNABLE TO DRAW LIKE THAT.
IT IS EITHER CLONE THE FUCKING REFERENCE OR DRAW IN MY RETARDED SUBHUMAN STYLE.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Why do these people keep drawing if they clearly don't enjoy it?
Just have fun mr. autist.

>>7617833
Why do people run marathons if they puke and shit their guts out?
Why do people climb snowy mountains if it rots their fucking fingers off?
Why do fatsos starve themselves for diets?
Why do gymbros tear their bodies up with weights?
Why does salmon swim upstream only to fucking die?
What kind of filthy fucking NPC only does what he LIKES and not WHAT HE MUST?

>>7617825
just copy a few initial d pages

>>7617834
Yeah sitting your ass down and enjoying a hobby is clearly comparable to all of that.

>>7617805
Dude, don't draw the shapes like that, I do it because I'm angry and I lost my eraser, and make the lines smoother, they're crazier than mine

>>7617836
Maybe for talentfags who get to enjoy it.
Us, untalented trash, have to bleed for every single line.
Toil ten times more for something a hundred times worse!

>>7617833
I have a duty to see this through

>>7617833
I want to draw even if I am untalented trash.

Time to sleep. A picture from yesterday just to add something.
>>7617738
Thank you. I really like your drawings.
>>7617742
A pretty cheap fine pen pack I found on Amazon. A pack of 12 for less than 6-8 bucks if I'm not mistaken. It's a 0.5 I just refilled it with Newton ink.
>>7617764
She is my biggest motivation to draw right now, I really like her. I hope I can get better for when the second season drops, I'm going to try a lot.
>>7617795
Ty friend. I plan on working on my heads/faces pretty soon.

>>7617836
You enjoy a hobby when you succeed in something, in drawing, for example, not necessarily a finished drawing, but simple figures, the correct drawing of which motivates you, this is what talented nits do, and they do not understand why others suffer so much and react to them

>>7617837
yeah I‘ll use pencil for these exercises once I’m more familiar with them, if I were to try now with a pencil I wouldn’t be committing any definite marks at all and would be even more indecisive and schizophrenic with my marking (and would probably be tempted to pick up an eraser)
with pen it kind of sucks since I can only “commit” to or emphasise a line by superimposing more lines over it

>>7617845
to clarify I realise that all lines with pen are “committed”, I meant marking lines that actually exist on the form and not just guidelines is tricky

>>7615994
Does he look stiff?

>>7617849
no, he looks flat

Haven't had time to draw recently. But I did this today. I really like it. How did I do? Coloring confuses me sometimes, but I feel like doing this in gray is helping.

>>7617797
flat, unsymmetrical

>>7617852
Appealing, but her pelvis and legs are confused

>>7617852
mogs me

>>7615991

>>7617852
I like it.

>>7617852
mogs this guy >>7617855

>>7617855
pyw
pro tip: you won't

>>7617833
how do i have fun when it comes out wrong and I can't fix it

>>7617790
thanks! I can do cleaner lines just not with the super thin ink pens hahaha, thank you very much

>>7617812
some more 90s gesture
Im gonna try to do this everyday hoping it will click one day

A penny for your thoughts?

>>7617917
sex

>>7617843
>horse girl
>naked woman bleeding through from back of page
The yakuza will be in touch shortly.

My little sister just artgod mogged me....

>>7617830
mfw

>>7617949
Draw me a face...

>>7617849
Did you draw the girl again? She looks better now. You're on the right track with the guy too, his neck may need a couple of verticals lines to separate the trap muscles from his neck.
Keep at it anon

Figures...

When did you start drawing?
If possible post your first drawing with it
I wanna measure my begness

>>7617962
The first drawings are crap 2d boxes from hide's lessons, useless nonsense, when he started talking about 3d figures and drawing box people it was all over, looking at how everyone here draws using simple shapes I started the same way, this crap is not an improvement

>>7615991
>>7617951
Nope, it is old drawing (>>7617159). The newest is picrel

why it looks weird compared to the reference? are the legs wrong?

>>7617962
>When did you start drawing?
In February
>if possible post your first drawing with it
Here

>>7617968
Nipah~

>>7617793
Jesus, that unredeemable, huh? Having the reference right next to the sketch is how I manage proportions so everything else is just me attempting to break down shapes and gestures. I’m super tense when I draw and I feel like it shows. I only have a few months of cumulative experience at best so I’m hopeless at line work. But I thought I was being conscious with the construction lol.

Wat do?

>>7617974
my niggah

>>7617962
If I would I will become the next /ic/ meme

>>7617978
You have correctly marked the angle of the pelvis, the rest is easy, you can just make a simple figure, I can't even do that

>>7617984
We need more memes, so please post it.

>>7617779
so much work still... so many areas to improve on...

>>7617968
put it above and see your mistakes

>>7617963
>>7617970
>>7617984
Hate to admit it but I might be a talented rat
Need to see more first drawings to compare

>>7617998
schizo redemption arc

>>7617962
Could probably dig up an older drawing but this one's good for comparison. I've been drawing mindlessly since 2010, only started studying fundies and all that this month. If I had an example from before it would not look much different from the 2019 version, for me that was the skill ceiling I could reach by 'just drawing'.

>>7618002
I am afraid im a talent rat. This affirms it even more
The schizos were right all along
Kill me

is someone willing to redline this?

Made this yesterday.

>>7617968
You failed to make it feel three-dimensional. In the reference picture, notice how the forward knee and elbow are subtly bigger than their background counterparts, which creates an impression that they are closer to the camera. Also notice how the shading and clothing folds in the stomach work to give an impression that she's leaning forward, whereas your subject, without depth, feels like it's just tilted to the side.
Also, you made the limbs too thin, especially the legs.

>>7617998
@caposketch on instagram got all my progress

>>7618008
No
Reason: its too fucked

>>7618002
FunGOD detected. This is the true source of talent. The NPCs who study for many hours a day and hate every minute of it will be left behind once you gain a better grasp of your fundies. People who hate the process of drawing will always lose.

>>7618011
Im not scrolling for 5 hours just to see the first post
Post it here

/beg/ here
are there any specific areas I'm especially shit at or is it all fucked?

>>7618024
anatomy

>>7617962
I started last December, these are some of my first drawings :v

>>7618024
>>7618026
It’s not just anatomy there’s no construction

>>7618008
yw

>>7618024
I'll be honest, it is quite prebeg
Just about everything needs work.

>>7618009
>whereas your subject, without depth, feels like it's just tilted to the side.
ah yeah it does look like that
>Also, you made the limbs too thin
not trying to replicate the ref's proportions
thank you for the advice, I think I can fix it now

>>7618027
Aiza anon?

>>7618034
Yeah

>>7618035
What does your latest drawing look like?

>>7617968
well the drapery is noisy it doesn't convey form, look at her right tricep that overlap tells you are drawing drapery without considering whats underneath.

what I really dislike is the rigid shoulder, same as >>7617594 it feels fused to the torso consider the shoulder as a independent. mass. if you are going for the relax feeling of the ref you have to overlap the head over the torso.

>>7617978
good shoulders, start with simpler subject, draw an apple.

>>7618024
if you are just going to do lineart copy work that is only lineart. you still don't know how to resolve many problems you will encounter going form colored work -> lineart.

>>7618038
Something like this:
>>7616100
>>7617033
>>7617773

>>7618024
Mostly your ability to see, measure, and reproduce proportions. Can't really judge your sense of anatomy from redraws like this. If you haven't, I recommend trying the exercise from the /ic/ sticky where you redraw Picasso's Igor Stravinsky portrait upside down. Iirc the first few exercises from Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain also cover this. The biggest tip is using your pencil to measure/check angles although that's more annoying when drawing trad copies using digital refs.
>>7618008
Did you trace the pose from a reference? A lot of the things jumping out at first glance are issues that would arise from tracing the shape of a pose without understanding what's happening in it. For example- the left arm and torso- the arm should be in front of the torso but the line, which is one smooth line for the torso makes it look like the torso is in front. The shape of the line isn't exactly wrong, you've just made a poor choice in how you drew it.

>>7617951
>>7615994

Ill post my first drawing
September 16th last year
Am I a talented rat

>>7618050
King of the manlets

>>7618015
Early on I barely drew honestly. My only goal was to crank out at least one drawing a week. Like 90% of it was just messing around for fun,
mostly on weekends when I had nothing better to do.

I wouldn’t say I’ve ever really “taken it seriously” but I’ve been trying to lately mainly because I just want to get better. I’m not trying to make money off it or anything (doubt I could anyway). I just draw what I like or sometimes stuff for friends.

Okay, someone bake. No one wants to post this low on the bump order.

>>7618059
No. you WILL post your art right before someone makes a new thread, you WILL get 0 (you)s

>>7617843
I recognize top left ref

>>7617962
LOOMIS'D

>>7618056
Believable progress of a hobbyist, from total untalented prebeg to int. Very inspiring.

>>7617795
Thanks. I mainly use cats to practice gesture and form and try to draw them quickly so they usually turn out ugly. My human drawings take much longer even if it's just a face.

>>7617870
Is it really that hard to believe?

>>7617857
some self-criticisms before the thread's over:
1) couldn't properly convey perspective on the arms so they look short.
2) couldn't figure out the lines to describe her armpit and knee.
3) weak gesture, didn't exaggerate enough so the pose doesn't read as her stretching. there should be more flow coming from the back and through her arms.
and that's just the stuff I can pinpoint myself. I've also found this drawing in another thread that I liked:
>>7615908
this guy uses the same brush I do, line weight turned off as well, but his shapes are so much better! look at those confident strokes! and the lines on her legs, I could never hope to understand and replicate that.

>>7618089
>before the thread's over
If it's anything like the last couple of threads we still have a day left with this one.

>>7618090
okay then maybe I still have time to draw the male challenge

Guise I am permabeg.
I can kinda draw correct faces now but they are UGLY! My style is SHIT!

>>7617962
This is the earliest drawing I could find on my drive. Drawn with a mouse in paint.net, july 2022