I'm reading this book, and it's really interesting, everything is super informative, but it fails to show a clear step-by-step process.
How do you guys usually draw poses?

This is what I’ve understood so far:
Start with an outline sketch (gesture)
Add a rough sketch (basic details)
Finish the drawing (add 3D form and anatomy)

I've seen some people use a mannequin first and then slowly add details until the figure is complete. I'm curious, how do you guys do it?

Also, are there any other good books you'd recommend? I want to learn cel-shaded rendering too, that would be really helpful.

Just watch manben and urasawa youtube videos. Hiro mashima and a bunch of mangakas also make instructional videos.

>>7623181 (OP)
>Start with an outline sketch (gesture)
>Add a rough sketch (basic details)
>Finish the drawing (add 3D form and anatomy)
Yeah that's kind of how I do it. For awhile I was messing up the pose . So i did a preliminary sketch of the pose first, which seems to work better

>>7623181 (OP)
Could you post your wok, anon?

>>7623219
Post yo work, NIGGA

>>7623230
I just did . I'm the creator of Sonic the Hedgehog

>>7623230

>>7623232
Taking credit for other’s work is a bannable offense here, but I wont report you if you say ‘Sike’

>>7623235
Ok sike. But , I won't post my work

>>7623239
Booooooooooooo
*Throws tomato at (You)*

>>7623248
ok fine. you got me in a corner so here. the topic is female figures so here's an example from my comic

>>7623318
very cute, anon

>>7623181 (OP)
You dorks all make the same boring shit and have the same shit uninspired taste. Anime coomer gooner waifu garbage.
Porn addicted incel weebs are the worst,

>>7623653

You sound like a woman or a gay man.

>>7623653
>Anime coomer gooner waifu garbage
>Porn addicted incel weebs are the worst
Go back to Tumblr
>>7623655
>You sound like a woman or a gay man
Gay bros don't care about stuff like that, so it's either a w*man or a troon, I'd bet oj a feminist fem*id because they hate "male gaze" with a burning passion.

>>7623653
You're arguing with children. That's why they can't imagine someone being sick of seeing anime pinups unless they're an SJW. Of course they're going to want to draw coom. I started out copying hentai I was into. At that age your horniness is the strongest drive you got. If you can hook it into working on a skill rather than just beating your cock until it's raw. Find a place that skews older if you don't like it

>>7623715
I'm 31 and still as horny as ever. Maybe see a doctor for your low libido.

>>7623653
Well, at least anime artists can draw from imagination xdd. Not like those who spend 20 years learning how to photocopy photos, but can’t do shit when asked to draw from imagination.

>>7623772
BRVTAL TRVKE

>>7623718
If you want to draw anime pinups forever, that's fine, but what kind of 31 year-old is this defensive?

>>7623795
Hentai is serious business no matter what age you are.

>Learn female figure
>???
>LESBIAN WEB COMIC!

>>7623715
>At that age your horniness is the strongest drive you got
You just outed yourself as younger than 30 lmao.

>>7623181 (OP)
Anon, the truth is that there's no "manga female figure." There's just the female figure, and you are probably better off learning it from western sources like Loomis and Hamm, which are the same books recommended by many mangaka. Hamm in particular has lots of step-by-step instructions. There are, of course, different ways of proportioning and stylizing the figure, but again, there isn't one "manga" figure — it varies from one artist to the next. The face is where it's more important to study Japanese artists if you want to draw in the manga style. FWIW, the relationship between the nose and mouth on that cover image seems off.

>>7624103
Oh hell nah, brother. I really don’t want to spend more time on observational drawing. I get that it’s a useful skill and all, but it’s just annoying. I want to draw cute anime girls with good proportions, animate them, make them blink, breathe, move, and none of that is taught in those books. Not even Loomis covers that stuff. They don’t teach construction, animation, or how to put figures in perspective. I mean, they’re fine if you just want to draw thousands of poses from photos, but what if you want to create something from your imagination?

>>7624210
>but what if you want to create something from your imagination?
That's why practicing drawing from memory is so important. And why having a lot of experience and visual library is crucial for drawing from imagination.
Yeah, talented people can bypass this. And using references is easier. But that doesn't apply to you.

>>7624213
So you're saying I need to spend 20 years learning how to render realistic human photos at a 1:1 ratio before I can start drawing from imagination? Bro, that’s crazy. I’d rather read what Japanese artists are doing and learn their workflow than waste more time drawing Loomis heads, fr.

>>7624210
>..draw thousands of poses from photos, but what if you want to create something from your imagination?..

>but what if you want to create something from your imagination?
>draw thousands of poses from photos
FTFY

>>7624210
There are no shortcuts

Master observational drawing, then learn form, then learn memory drawing

>>7624210
Anon, Loomis and Hamm aren't about observational drawing (except in the sense that almost every book recommends you observe what you want to draw). Have you even looked at these books? They absolutely teach construction, and Loomis has a whole section on putting figures in perspective. There's nothing to do with drawing from photos. Animation is a whole other topic. I have the Tezuka School of Animation book, and that's a good primer, but it's not about drawing cute girls specifically. You have to use your brain to apply the principles to your subject matter of choice.

>>7624229
>>7624233
>>7624247
I get your point, guys. In the end, I think it doesn’t really matter whether you learn from Japanese, Chinese, or Korean artists, the method is mostly the same: draw a gesture, build a mannequin, add details and anatomy, and there’s your drawing. Then repeat that thousands of times to create a frame-by-frame animation. I think the truly important part is the illustration style and the visual library you start building from the beginning.

>>7624276
Also, and I can't stress this enough, once you've got some mileage find a live drawing session near you. Nothing else will help you learn to draw the human body like seeing a person in actual 3D space and interpreting that onto the page. There are some that are classes with instructors, but some are just a session with a model where everybody does their own thing for a few hours and you don't have to interact with anyone if you don't want to. I'm fortunate where I could go to 3 or 4 different ones each week near me, but hopefully you can l find at least one.

>>7623653
I can draw other stuff too. Like apples and boxes

>>7623219
>>7623318
Dunning Kruger Effect in all its glory.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you are nowhere near doing figure drawing.

>>7623715
I'm sorry about your ED

>>7623181 (OP)
> but it fails to show a clear step-by-step process.
this is not inteded for noob artists, its asumes you a have basic foundation on how to draw basic bodies. Same as Morpho, stop reccomending Mopho to noobs.

>>7623715
>you're arguing with children
Nah, adult weebs are all like this. Dont try to justify it using your magic powers to know anon-s age.

>>7623234
This was a fun thread

>>7623181 (OP)
I usually draw the angle and position of the shoulders and hips first, then connect them with the general action line of the spine. Then I add the head.
After that I place the hands, and connect them to the shoulder with arms that make sense in an IK sense.
Then it's just filling out the form.
I also try to map out my shading with this really sketchy nice pencil brush I have as I fill out the form before I add details. It helps me get a clearer handle on the figure.
I still mess up frequently on little details, though, so maybe it's not the best approach.

>>7624276
Stop your lame theorizing and draw, none of what you said was correct and is only what a beginner regurgitating drawing textbooks would say. If you really wsnt to learn something, exit this site and DRAW

>>7624712
that's fine. back to not posting my work.

>>7625143
Well, true, you're right, I'm overthinking and not taking action. I seriously need to just start doing it. I'm finishing this Coloso course right now, and honestly, it's insanely good, 100% recommended. After that, I'm going to start drawing croquis like crazy. Thanks, guys, for being here and giving advice, you're all actual GOATs.

>>7625039
You're insanely good, anon

>>7625039
good stuff

>>7623181 (OP)
damn this book is insane thanks anon

>>7624852
so whats the book for noobs

>>7626345
This one is nothing. I found a Chinese one that’s absolutely wild, like seriously insane. It’s a shame I can’t understand anything because I don’t know how to read Chinese, but just by looking at the book, I’ve learned a ton.

>>7629525
cant find it

>>7629525
>>7629641
It’s tenten anatomy book. I personally think it’s useless. But feel free to copy it twice.

>>7624641
Id rather die than stare at 3dpd for any extended period of time

>>7629674
thanks

>>7629674
Why is it useless? Is it because it's in Chinese or because of its content?

>>7629862
Almost all chinese books are plagiarized from other books and I'm surprised nobody is saying this. All they do is poorly redraw the same pages.

>>7623181 (OP)
howie

>>7629877
Really? So you're saying this book is a rip-off? Which books is it copying from? I'm curious, 'cause it's the first one I've read with these kinds of exercises and info, and honestly, I think it's pretty good

>>7629918
I was mostly commenting on the
>Is it because it's in Chinese
Part. The tenten book is genuine. Most of the H2D books in mandarin are plagiarized.

>>7629926
That reminds me of the day I saw some motherfucker selling AI-generated images as manga tutorials on Instagram. And the worst part? Dude’s probably making bank off it