Thread 213513544

>invents balding
>kills children for making fun of a baldcel

I wonder how outlandish a Bible story would have to be before believers say "ok this is obviously bullshit"

>>213513586
no limits
for proof read islam book

>>213513544 (OP)
>hmm yes, i think i will create the material world so that conscious beings can exist in a near constant state of stress as they continuously try to sustain their existence under the pressure of vast external forces far beyond their control or comprehension
You are supposed to be thankful for this btw.

everything makes more sense when you remember that god is probably jewish

>>213513544 (OP)
>hair thinning out on top
>starts growing out of your nose for some reason
what was his plan here?

>>213513544 (OP)
>>kills children for making fun of a baldcel
Which story is this

>>213513813
>>213513544 (OP)
>the hair on top of your head WILL fall
>but the hair that grows around your asshole won't

>>213513544 (OP)
Not that you care

But he wasn't balding, his head was ritualistically shaved as a monk. They weren't laughing at his baldness, they were being irreverent

Furthermore, true morality belongs to God. You cannot say something in the Bible is morally wrong without appealing to a greater authority

>>213513940
>get going baldy, get going!
wow they deserved it god is so kind o algo nigger

>>213514065
You're putting the cart before the horse
Who decides who deserves what, you or God? Who decides what is kind?
Now if you want to discuss whether or not the God of the bible is real, this would be more appropriate. But your feefees on 2500 year old portion of scripture (or however old) is no metric.

>>213513544 (OP)
I just ordered min spray and tomorrow will buy a pack of fin pills
>>213513840
Don't remember the name but there was some prophet who was walking somewhere and the kids were making fun of him and calling him bald ass nigga and he told them that God will smite them and then a bear appeared and mauled 42 children

us norwood chads are divinely protected

>>213514430
Damn lol

>>213513840
Mega based! According to the bible, 2 kings 2:24, Elisha, the prophet of Israel, summoned 2 bears to kill and brutalize 42 children that were mocking him for his baldness. These children certainly learned their lesson. Based God!

>>213514430
yeah well women would rather meet a bear that has mauled 42 children in the woods than a bald man in the woods.

>>213513586
This is probably why priests had a meltdown when the Bible started being printed in languages other than Latin. Cant let les paysans know about these silly stories o algo

>>213513888
>Let’s Satan tortue his most pious follower because reasons
>Turns another follower’s wife into a pillar of salt just because she turned around for a split second
>Condemns people to hell because they wanted curtains that depicted animals

There’s no doubt that Y*wheh is a demon.

>>213513544 (OP)
>You had doubts that you would be able to take this land I promised you after you sent scouts ahead? If you're going to treat this like an RTS how about I fuck with your pathfinding for the next 40 years, bucko.

It isn't clear if they were children or not. The word has a broad range that can span from infants to young adults. This is the word
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5288.htm

If you'd like, cross reference it with exodus 33:11. The phrase that many translations render "young man" is the same word

>>213514806
and that makes it better how?

>>213514833
You're 100% right

As I said earlier in the thread here

>>213514245
It entirely depends upon which authority you appeal to as to whether this is right or wrong. The question should not be "was it ok for God to do things" it should be "is this God real" in which case he could do whatever he wants

>>213514673
>summoned 2 bears to kill and brutalize 42 children that were mocking him for his baldness. These children certainly learned their lesson.
When you're bald you'll understand

>>213514797
they let themselves be wololo'd by a golden calf o algo

>>213514245
It's to test whether the individual is being consistent in their morality. The same people who'll believe this stuff will act incensed at someone blowing their kids head off because he called him bald. It's often clear their personal morality conflicts with the god they claim to believe in because they don't actually take it seriously.

>>213515139
>The same people who'll believe this stuff will act incensed at someone blowing their kids head off because he called him bald.
That would not be a divine act from God.
Now we can make another example, believers experience loss of their children regularly. Events like this are certainly struggles for believers. And while I can't say for certain why God allows things like that to happen, I know that for their suffering to be truly meaningful (as opposed to just be a byproduct of a cruel and indifferent universe) then this presupposes the existence of a God. The question remains, which God will you believe in to this end and why?

I ask a reverend why the focus on the new testament and he seemed to get a little defensive about this.

Given the old testament is such a large body of text comparatively, why is this not given more focus? Who focuses on it? Can you be a chosen person without being a Jew? Does this make you Christian? Why do I even go to ask such questions. The church just think I am schizo. A reverand told me the bible is very boring to read wtf. I enjoy and want to understand the symbolism more.

>>213515250
I personally still think God made everything then melted into everything alive whatever. The only thing in control seems to be evil. Living beings are only able to overcome it by working together.
The master of lies created religions

>>213515324
>The only thing in control seems to be evil.
No you're just angsty or watch the news too much. Or maybe lived a particularly difficult life idk. But goodness happens every day and you should be thankful for it. You're extremely privileged just for living in the age of internet and electricity

>>213513940
Also the kids following him were literally ghetto tier kids, iirc that city had more crime than favelas

>>213515384
Those are given to us by our ancestors
Not "God"
We did not invent cancer, suffering or death
"God" did
God is evil.
Whatever made the universe is dead and we are the good side.we have free will. "God," does not.

>>213515533
Why are you only willing to attribute evil to God but not good? Why couldn't the ingenuity that invented the internet, or the fundamental building blocks of the internet have their source from God?

>>213515250
With an omnipotent god, their suffering by definition isn't meaningful, since his omnipotence invalidates the value of everything and reduces everyone to weird sims who exist for entertainment and nothing more.

>>213515638
I think your use of "entertainment" is the reduction here. We would say we exist to exhibit God's glory. This encapsulates the entire spectrum of experience, so as to exhibit God's goodness, there would need to be evil. And to exhibit God's justice, there would need to be punishment. Etc. Just like if you were born with a silver spoon and got everything you ever wanted from the time you were born, you'd probably get bored pretty quickly. I hope this doesn't trivialize suffering, but we are using simple phrases to explain something that is occuring on a cosmic scale.

>>213515782
>you'd probably get bored pretty quickly
Won't we get bored in heaven then? Wouldn't this also mean that eternal damnation would eventually just feel normal? How does that work?

G*d has a weird little trick for incels to lose their virginity and get married for only a hundred silver shekels (Deuteronomy 22)

>>213516009
I think the state of the afterlife is more ambiguous than most Christians think. The word translated as eternal is aionion if you'd like to look it up. It doesn't need to mean eternal, it can just mean an indefinitely long period of time. It's where we get the word aeon from. As for damnation, the word translated punishment is kolasis and it indicates correction, which I take to mean that hell is a place where nonbelievers will eventually be saved. There is a separate greek word that could have been used for punitive punishment just for satisfying the punisher.

As for the state of the afterlife, I can't say much authoritatively. I have faith in God and see death as the start of another adventure.

>>213514673
>mrophet of israel
>kills childrens

>>213516156
By faith in God I do mean faith in Jesus as Lord and Savior ofc

>>213515782
>Just like if you were born with a silver spoon and got everything you ever wanted from the time you were born, you'd probably get bored pretty quickly.
Damn, I wonder if an almighty being could resolve this problem, I guess we'll never know
>>213516208
What does it say above the crucifixion

>>213516301
This is the resolution though, at least in part. You disliking it is utterly irrelevant and something you'd need to come to terms with if you're going to maturely engage with the material. Sorry if I'm misunderstanding your point.

>>213513586
You got killed if you dared question it at all which is why such insanely stupid stories could exist to begin with.

>>213516370
Christians were killed for believing it, not for disbelieving

Remember when Yahweh, the supreme creator of all reality, was defeated by iron chariots?
I do! See Judges 1:19 to read about it yourself!

>>213513586
They don't care, they ignore or it's a metaphor
>>213514759
I don't understand why they didn't just remove all these clearly retarded texts, they have shown they have no problem removing stuff since there is this thing called the apocrypha texts(non canon gospels and texts). So why keep all the children mauling and some clearly retarded jewish garbage in the canon? Very shortsighted and stupid

>>213516384
>Christians were killed for believing it
You realise Christians killed far many more pagans than the reverse right?
Proof: The continent you Americans colonised and genocided

>>213516156
It's ambiguous but generally understood as a place with no suffering or evil by most Christians. If suffering and adversity are part of life or even necessary to it (which makes sense to me, this is completely rooted in reality), then why would that not be the case for the kingdom of god?
It's much easier to believe that god or the gods are flawed and so is their creation, if they exist at all.

>>213516443
Not in it's inception, which is the important part as to the truth of the text. Christianity started because large numbers of people truly believed they experience the risen Jesus and were killed for it.

>>213516509
>If suffering and adversity are part of life or even necessary to it (which makes sense to me, this is completely rooted in reality), then why would that not be the case for the kingdom of god?
Because the suffering and adversity would have already been demonstrated and experienced and overcome.

>>213516547
Are you saying you would not get bored for eternity, or indefinitely long, whichever you want to pick, as long as you suffered before?

>>213516627
No, the suffering was regarding why it's necessary as to demonstrate God's attributes
The boredom on my behalf is separate. I'd probably not get bored because it is a totally different dimension operating under completely different rules. It's incomprehensible

>>213516409
Here is the grammar of the text
https://biblehub.com/text/judges/1-19.htm
They are giving God glory for their victory and blaming themselves for the defeat. If you're wondering why God wasn't with them against the iron chariots, I don't know. But taking L's is just part of every believers life. God isn't blamed for their defeat.

>>213516679
>It's incomprehensible
Bit of a cop out answer in my opinion, we could give you a fent IV right now and you'd have eternal bliss, but would you really want that? I don't want god to pump me with the cosmic equivalent of antidepressants.

>>213516799
But that's the answer. It is literally another dimension. Nobody can give you a satisfying answer as to what that entails, it would be like trying to explain a universe where 2+2 equals 6.

>>213516725
>When we win it's because of God
>When we lose it's our own fault
kek, I'm sure I don't need to explain why this is retarded

>>213516865
No, that's how it works. God must necessarily be the primary source of all goodness, in order for good to be a real thing that exists. This extends to all true "meaning." We don't say the same for evil, (although God is sovereign over evil) because evil is not true a thing, it is the deprivation of good. The same way the bible says God creates light and darkness, but darkness is not a created thing, it is absence of light. You might say "the AC is making the room cold" but it's not making cold, it's dispelling heat.

>>213516902
So he gives babies bone cancer out of goodness?

>>213516986
No that would be a deprivation of his goodness.
Why he deprives everyone of goodness to some extent is something you'd need to argue with God yourself about. But without God, you don't remove the suffering, you only remove the meaning of it.

they werent really children they were sectarians

>>213516341
If he's omnipotent he could make it so people didn't get bored. You're applying limitation to an omnipotent being. Also what you described is basically heaven, people sitting around doing the same thing for eternity and not being bored.
This is the problem with how Christians try to argue this, they try to argue individual aspects of Christian theology as if each is in a vacuum, the problem is actually that it doesn't make sense when you bring the whole theology together.

>>213517101
If God's omnipotent, he could have made a universe where I'm 3 inches taller. The limitation is not on God's part, it's on the part of our understanding.

>>213517101
>If he's omnipotent he could make it so people didn't get bored.
He can't because of satan, or he needs to demonstrate that children can get cancer.
It all goes back to why did god create evil if he's capable of making everything go away (he's evil, or not all powerful)
The idea of an all powerful god is fundamentally retarded.

>>213517310
But we went over that already, don't circle jerk it's cringe

God does not create evil, evil is not a created thing. God allows evil on principle because evil is necessary in order to truly experience goodness. Just like sin is necessary to experience justice (sin is bad, justice is good.) there is more personal real world application you can find as to the meaning of your own suffering, but that is something you'd need to personally seek out.

>>213513586
The Bridegroom of Blood/Foreskin Blood on Feet incident is kind of like that. Most modern readers and scholars find the whole thing really strange and some even pretend it's not canon.

>>213517354
>this 6 year old HAD TO experience brain cancer to truly experience goodness because uuuhhh god something something evil uuhhh they should have found meaning of their suffering, sin bad o algo (they died 2 months later)

>>213517433
Do you find more comfort in the idea that they suffered for nothing? That their pain has no actual meaning behind it?

Not that you should believe it simply for the comfort, but it is self evident that meaning is a thing that truly exists, so therefore we apply this to our suffering.

It seems more like you're using this fake 6 year olds suffering as a weapon to mock me rather than genuinely caring about the suffering

>>213517354
>But we went over that already
You just hand-waved it away with "it's incomprehensible".
>God allows evil on principle because evil is necessary in order to truly experience goodness.
Yeah but what if it wasn't necessary? Why does he need to demonstrate anything? Why not recreate his kingdom here and be done with it? Isn't he all-powerful?

>>213517499
>You just hand-waved it away with "it's incomprehensible".
How would you describe an alternate dimension?
>Yeah but what if it wasn't necessary?
What if I had wheels and was a bike
>Why does he need to demonstrate anything?
God doesn't need to do anything
>Why not recreate his kingdom here and be done with it?
Because it wouldn't glorify his attributes
>Isn't he all-powerful?
Yes

Try to keep it one question at a time in the future please. I'm not trying to be snippy, I'm serious, it isn't feasible to discuss all these things at once

>>213513544 (OP)
God is punishing those children for making dun of his creation

>>213517357
>The Bridegroom of Blood/Foreskin Blood on Feet incident

please explain

>>213517559
>What if I had wheels and was a bike
God could have wheels and be a bike if he was truly omnipotent.
>God doesn't need to do anything
If he doesn't need to make us suffer, instead of simply imparting us with whatever divine revelation he deems necessary, why does he do it?
>Because it wouldn't glorify his attributes
Why do this at all if he doesn't need to? Is god vain? Is he a sick bastard?

>>213517482
>>213517482
>Do you find more comfort in the idea that they suffered for nothing? That their pain has no actual meaning behind it?
It's not about comfort, it's about truth, there is no meaning to their suffering nature is cruel, religion is comfort
>You're just mocking me
Yes

>>213517639
>If he doesn't need to make us suffer, instead of simply imparting us with whatever divine revelation he deems necessary, why does he do it?
Why God "allows" (not makes or causes, as once again this is a deprivation of his actions) you to suffer is something you'd need to talk to him about. I don't know your life. I can only assert that meaning exists, so your suffering must have meaning.
>Why do this at all if he doesn't need to? Is god vain? Is he a sick bastard?
Because he wants to be glorified in his fullness of character. It could not possibly be vain or selfish or sick as God himself would be the author of these definitions, not your finite personal whims. If God said wearing blue shirts are evil, then wearing blue shirts would be evil.

>>213513586
Perhaps the omnipotent god losing in wrestling? Or the omnipotent god not being able to predict Eve would eat the fruit?

>>213517656
>there is no meaning to their suffering nature is cruel
"Cruelty" implies meaning. Otherwise all words and notions are rendered arbitrary and there's no actual point to us having this discussion or having any worldview one way or another (including the madman who thinks he's a tree)
>Yes
I'll be disengaging with you now unless you apologize. Have a good day

>>213517828
>"Cruelty" implies meaning.
how so? I don't even understand the point you are trying to make, it is cruel because it is unfair and unjust to the kid in question, he did nothing to get cancer but he still got it, this cruelty has no meaning behind it, it just happened because of chance
>Otherwise all words and notions are rendered arbitrary and there's no actual point to us having this discussion or having any worldview one way or another
I literally don't understand what you're trying to say
>I'll be disengaging with you now unless you apologize. Have a good day
Snowflake

>Here’s your free will so you can decide for yourself
>BTW I will torture you for eternity for disobeying me

>>213517949
>how so? I don't even understand the point you are trying to make, it is cruel because it is unfair and unjust to the kid in question, he did nothing to get cancer but he still got it, this cruelty has no meaning behind it, it just happened because of chance
Because you are saying there's no meaning, while asserting your own meaning
"Cruel" and "unfair" are words that in themselves are loaded with meaning. You are simply asserting yourself as the author of meaning, when God himself is a higher and more meaningful source of meaning, as only through God can you get meaning that is truly objective. Meaning your idea of unfair, without God, is entirely subjective and arbitrary, so there's no real and true reason for me to not brush it off as simply your opinion.

>>213513544 (OP)
Balding is fine

Jesus was a pretty cool dude, but the stuff God did was really bizarre and just plain weird.
Are we really sure he wasn't that evil spurdo snake thing?

>>213517776
>Why God "allows" (not makes or causes
As an omnipotent being and prime mover of the universe, he shares some responsibility i think. I can't flee the scene of an accident, or refuse to render aid. Why can god?
>something you'd need to talk to him about
How do i reach him?
>I can only assert that meaning exists, so your suffering must have meaning.
I'm not arguing against the notion that adversity creates meaning, i'm asking why an omnipotent god would do this on purpose in the first place. If he created everything and he's truly all powerful and lives in a perfect kingdom then surely he could make everything like his perfect kingdom, yet he didn't on a whim? Does god play with us like a scientist plays with mice?
>Because he wants to be glorified in his fullness of character.
Again, whim, vanity. But it's not whim or vanity because god says so?

>>213517590
tl;dr
God got pissed at Moses at one point and went to go kill him. Zipporah saved Moses by taking a sharp rock, cutting off her son's foreskin, and washing the blood of it on Moses' feet.

>>213518135
that sounds like some sort of black magic ritual unironically

>>213518080
>"Cruel" and "unfair" are words that in themselves are loaded with meaning. You are simply asserting yourself as the author of meaning, when God himself is a higher and more meaningful source of meaning, as only through God can you get meaning that is truly objective. Meaning your idea of unfair, without God, is entirely subjective and arbitrary, so there's no real and true reason for me to not brush it off as simply your opinion.
Says you, cruel unfair unjust meant things long before humanity ever conceived the idea of God, monkeys and other animals know what cruelty is, they know what is just and what is not, it's not just le my opinion or me being the author of meaning

>>213518129
>I can't flee the scene of an accident, or refuse to render aid. Why can god?
God made the whole game. God makes all the rules that you just referenced yourself as being subject to.
>How do i reach him?
Talk to him and look for him with pure intentions. He will run to you if you walk to him
>If he created everything and he's truly all powerful and lives in a perfect kingdom then surely he could make everything like his perfect kingdom, yet he didn't on a whim? Does god play with us like a scientist plays with mice?
Why God allows suffering overall and why he allows suffering in your personal life are two separate discussions so I'm not sure which one you mean. Why God allows evil and suffering overall like I said is so that the entirety of his character can be expressed. Whether or not he could have made a universe where they isn't necessary, I don't know. I'm just a small ant compared to that scale. As for why suffering happens in your personal life, you'd have to go to God yourself for that.
>Again, whim, vanity. But it's not whim or vanity because god says so?
Yes exactly. God is the maker of the game. He made those words. He made everything.
>>213518242
>Says you, cruel unfair unjust meant things long before humanity ever conceived the idea of God, monkeys and other animals know what cruelty is, they know what is just and what is not, it's not just le my opinion or me being the author of meaning
Even if this were true, did we discover meaning or invent it? If we discovered it then where did it come from? And if we invented it, then why is it not arbitrary?

>>213513888
It's for making gay sex harder o algo

genuinely, how do christcucks exists in 2025?

>>213518389
You should find the smartest Christians online to explain it to you. There's lots of videos on YouTube.
Have you ever looked into apologetics?

>>213518297
>God makes all the rules, you are just a subject
>I don't know
>I'm just a small ant compared to that scale
>Ask God why you got cancer, lol
>He made everything
most cuckold coded shit I've read today

>>213518135
That's just vile

>>213518433
The reason I asked for an apology is to demonstrate you'd start taking the discussion seriously. Then I gave you the benefit of the doubt and here you are being unserious again. I'm not offended, just disappointed

>>213518415
yup, ive seen many videos, its just pure mental gymnastics. Religion is a cope for people who can't accept reality. I am not saying a God(s) doesn't exist exist but christcuckery is a stupid thing to follow if you are an educated person. A waste of time and money

>>213518470
It doesn't cost money to be a Christian. How would you explain the Christian argument in your own words? I mean the Christian argument, not argument for God

>>213518457
Well be disappointed, I concede, because I just can't argue with you, you go into insane depths just to explain your ideology but for me none of what you wrote makes a lick of sense either I don't even understand what you're trying to say or I simply don't agree with you

>>213518545
Just focus on this part
>did we discover meaning or invent it? If we discovered it then where did it come from? And if we invented it, then why is it not arbitrary?
I don't mind trying to break this down for you as much as I can to help you understand.

>>213518505
>Christian argument in your own words
no argument per say, its just fake
>It doesn't cost money to be a Christian
the church is a system, they aren't tax and work off scamming pipo

>>213518297
>Why God allows evil and suffering overall like I said is so that the entirety of his character can be expressed.
If his character encompasses things like genocide and giving people cancer but also making statues cry sometimes, does that not make him a little evil? Or at least morally dubious?
If you simply deem your god's actions as beyond your understanding, he's good despite being evil, he whips you (but that's a good thing, actually) doesn't that just make you subservient? a slave?

>>213513544 (OP)
laughing at the physical characteristics of other people is wrong, children too should be taught by their parents to not make fun of people for things they can not affect themselves

>>213518505
The argument is you want eternal paradise. You would not follow this religion if the percieved reward was bad, even if it was true.

Reminder the Greek and Roman God's make more moral sense because I don't pretend to love humans they are just doing their own thing and want some cheeky tributes

>>213518643
they don't pretend*

>>213518592
>If his character encompasses things like genocide and giving people cancer
It does not encompass those things. These are deprivations of God's action
If you're asserting anything God does is evil, you must assert another moral authority that is more credible.
>>213518627
That is not the argument
Regardless I could just say the same to you, you don't believe in God because you want to watch porn and take dick in the ass. But that wouldn't be fair of me right? So why make such an assumption of me instead of genuinely finding what the argument is

>>213518389
Why do atheist redditors always go after christians? Never muslims and especially never jews

>>213518702
Because they're mostly white westerners who don't know anything about those religions.

So let's learn about the dumb shit Muslims believe, they think Muhammad split the moon in half and then put it back together, what else?

>>213518693
You don’t think I want eternal paradise? You argue in bad faith or are retarded.

And yes that is indeed why anyone chooses a religion, very obvious human cope.

>>213518693
>But that wouldn't be fair of me right?
Unfair*

>>213518770
>You argue in bad faith or are retarded.
That was the point. I was demonstrating why your own logic was flawed. Do you know what the actual argument is or not? Why would I choose Christianity over any other religion that offers paradise? Let me guess, just because I'm dumb right? But I am the one speaking in poor faith?

>>213518805
I don’t care about your personal reason, this is why 99% of people choose a religion.

>>213518760
Jews believe souls can reincarnated into animals or trees. What else?

>>213514430
>>213514673
sanest bible chapter

>>213518848
Yes the majority of any group are NPCs
You should be investigating that 1%. But if you don't care then I can't make you care

>>213518693
>These are deprivations of God's action
If you lock 20 people in a small cage and they all die of disease, starvation or kill eachother, would you say they died of deprivation of your own actions, and because of that you didn't actually kill them/were responsible in any way?
>you must assert another moral authority that is more credible.
Is it not his own word that we should not murder?
>>213518702
Jews don't proselytize, Muslims just behead people they disagree with, while Christianity is all about conversion.

>>213518624
So why did he kill them instead of educating

>>213518890
Tell me your powerful reason then

bumping this gem

>>213518913
>If you lock 20 people in a small cage and they all die of disease, starvation or kill eachother, would you say they died of deprivation of your own actions, and because of that you didn't actually kill them/were responsible in any way?
That is a good example of your point. Are you looking to satisfy this logically or emotionally? Because logically I would still appeal to principle, that God ultimately must necessarily be the one who decides how definitions like murder and responsibility is applied. As far as emotionally, like if this literally happened to you and you were the only survivor, is a separate discussion. I know you've been through suffering like anyone else, and might be having trouble making sense of it.
>>213518938
If you really care, look up "the minimal facts argument." Sorry that I don't have the energy to explain it to you. There are also YouTube videos of this argument being debated against Muslims and atheists/agnostic

>>213518702
>>213518760
islam is also retarded, why are you guys doing whataboutism?

>You wanna know my argument?
>Look it up!
Fuck you, cunt

>>213519168
>Because logically I would still appeal to principle, that God ultimately must necessarily be the one who decides how definitions like murder and responsibility is applied.
This is a principle of subservience, though. It's the same principle used by any despot or slave master, is that all God is? A despot can give you some bread, a slave master can give you respite from his whipping, what concrete thing can God give you?

>>213519256
If you care then you care. If you just type it into Google, it will give you a blurb on it. Sorry I've been here for a while and have already typed many paragraphs
>>213519260
>This is a principle of subservience, though. It's the same principle used by any despot or slave master, is that all God is?
Well God is the king of all kings. We all serve someone or something, so why not serve the highest possible authority
>A despot can give you some bread, a slave master can give you respite from his whipping, what concrete thing can God give you?
Once again, operating on principle, all good things find their ultimate source from God. Even when the evil despot who has that tiny ounce of kindess to give you bread, that kindness is ultimately from God.
I'm not saying this because it makes me happy, it's of philosophical necessity.

>>213519248
I don't know much about Islam and want to learn silly stuff they believe

>>213518925
You don't have to take the old testament literally, for christians the new testament and psalms are the ones from which the main guidances are drawn from. Proverbs too are also accurate and many of their teachings are still lost on the modern man: proverbs chapter 5, for example, teaches us to be vary of women who cheat on their husbands with you, loose women will always be loose and unstable, or simpy put whores will always be whores. There is a lot of eternal wisdom to be found in the bible that many men still haven't learned about, within that wisdom there are also guidances on how to live more fulfilling lives, how to be happier and many other such things. It is not a waste to read the bible even if the religious aspects don't interest you, it has a lot of wisdom useful for every man and woman.

>>213519248
Judaism is pretty retard too. Why do they never mocked it? Always christianity or islam

>>213519359
>Well God is the king of all kings. We all serve someone or something, so why not serve the highest possible authority
Yeah but you worship the idea of a brutal king, you're imposing despotism upon yourself instead of tolerating it out of necessity.
>that kindness is ultimately from God
Isn't the despot also supposed to have free will? Why couldn't he free will some kindness unto you? genuinely confused by this.
>I'm not saying this because it makes me happy, it's of philosophical necessity.
So you believe in god because you fear him? Why should i fear him over werewolves or vampires or any other god besides the christian one?

>>213519577
You keep putting the cart before the horse. You use words like brutal or kindness but with apparently no authority behind them other than your personal whims
>Isn't the despot also supposed to have free will? Why couldn't he free will some kindness unto you?
He free wills me plenty of kindness. More than I deserve
>So you believe in god because you fear him? Why should i fear him over werewolves or vampires or any other god besides the christian one?
No, my religion makes me happy. But that's not why I believe. I believe because it's true, and the truth just happens to be good. Furthermore, as I keep saying, goodness has no actual, real meaning without the authority of a god behind it. I favor Christianity over any other God because of Jesus and his historical footprint.

>>213519453
yeah i know, its all desert fables
>>213519535
yes judasim is also stupid, all organize religion is stupid

>>213519624
>You keep putting the cart before the horse. You use words like brutal or kindness but with apparently no authority behind them other than your personal whims
Not my personal whims, just common sense and western morality, we all know what despotism is and what that means.
>He free wills me plenty of kindness. More than I deserve
I was talking about the king, you misread. If we have free will so we can do good things and bad things, but God is responsible for all the good actions, then how do we have free will? How are we ever good?
>I favor Christianity over any other God because of Jesus and his historical footprint.
Human civilization is older than Jesus and Christianity is just one belief system of many

What’s wrong with that exactly

>>213519794
"Common sense" means nothing and "western morality" is a weak and fallible authority that you probably disagree with on an arbitrary "common sense" basis.
>If we have free will so we can do good things and bad things, but God is responsible for all the good actions, then how do we have free will? How are we ever good?
You can freely choose whether to act out God's will (which is good) or to behave contrary to it. "How are we ever good" is what you should be asking yourself since common sense and western morality are not objective metrics for goodness.
>Human civilization is older than Jesus and Christianity is just one belief system of many
So? What religious figure do you think is as credible as Jesus insofar as miracle working and power over death

>>213515252
The New Testament overwrites the old testament. Jesus made a new covenant with the people.

>>213519535
Because USA is like 2% Jewish, nobody knows much about it. Same reason Hindus or Buddhists aren't mocked very often.

>>213519974
>I CHANGED MY MIND, OK?

>>213520064
God actually does change his mind in Genesis as a means of highlighting his free will

>>213520081
he knew he was going to change his mind ahead of time because he's omniscient though

>>213519871
>"western morality" is a weak and fallible authority
Do you agree that murder is bad?
That cruelty and oppression are bad?
We've already established that God does all of these things, directly or indirectly.
>You can freely choose whether to act out God's will
So God just takes credit for things he's not responsible for, and doesn't assume responsibility for things he's indirectly responsible for. When he does something, it's never bad, because he's the one doing it.
God is narcissistic.
>miracle working
Pick any modern technology or feat of engineering.

>>213520117
>Do you agree that murder is bad?
>That cruelty and oppression are bad?
Yes
>We've already established that God does all of these things, directly or indirectly.
No we haven't. Because you create your own definition of murder and then project it onto God.
>So God just takes credit for things he's not responsible for, and doesn't assume responsibility for things he's indirectly responsible for.
I find it interesting that you're willing to attribute indirect responsibility to God for evil, but flat out assert that he's "not responsible" for good at all. Feels like you've got something personal going on there.

>>213514673
>>213514430
strangest part of this story is that they specify the bears are female

>>213517354
This is why no one takes theists seriously, total refusal that if there is a God then he's creating both good and evil, this drumbeat on no god is ONLY GOOD is retarded when meaningless senseless suffering is inflicted on innocent individuals
>uhh it's only meaningless and senseless TO YOU there's just a hidden meaning that actually makes this good
No actually. Especially if you're trying to say bible good is all good when LITERALLY IN THE BIBLE it says he creates both good and evil,translations from the hebrew Isaiah are supremely uncomfortable with this fact but that is in fact what Isaiah is saying.
Stop this nonsense. If there's a god and you claim him to be just he cannot be the god of the bible, full stop.

>>213518693
>It does not encompass those things. These are deprivations of God's action
god literally commands the israelites to commit genocide against the canaanites

>>213520176
It also says he creates darkness, when darkness is not a thing that exists. The same applies to evil. I broke it down here
>>213516902

>HOW DARE YOU TRY AND THINK ABOUT BUILDING A TOWER TO HEAVEN
>AS A FITTING CURSE... WE MADE THE COUNTRY WITH THE MOST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SPEAK THE MOST ANNOYING LANGUAGE

>>213520198
That is a fair point. But it isn't evil when God does it, as God is necessarily the author of all life and purpose. I meant genocide as a general rule is not something anyone has permission to do, in light of Christian revelation

>>213520231
um im giving you the ability to goon which feels really good as per my design... BUT NEVER EVER GOON, OKAY?

>>213520251
Aphrodite says GOON!

greek gods are based

>>213520154
>God doesn't do anything bad because he's God, it's not murder when he does it
Despot, he creates arbitrary rules that don't apply to himself. We've been over this.
>I find it interesting that you're willing to attribute indirect responsibility to God for evil, but flat out assert that he's "not responsible" for good at all.
He's either responsible for everything or he's not. In the former he would be evil or morally ambiguous at best, in the latter he would not be omnipotent. We've been over this too.

>>213520251
Everybody, including you hopefully, believes gooning should only be done in particular contexts. Like surely you believe rape is wrong. So what exactly is the implication that you're making? Are you mad that you don't get to watch porn or what

>>213520273
No, when God makes a rule it is not arbitrary. When humans make rules, it is arbitrary. Why would I take your definition of murder as more credible than God's? We've demonstrated that common sense and western morality are flimsy metrics. If God changes the rules of the game, it does not render the rules arbitrary, the players must still adhere to them.

>>213520203
Retard. Here.
>I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, YHWH, do all these things.
>Isaiah 45:7
I am not talking about darkness, even though the hebrew clearly says that darkness is something he creates, it also says HE CREATES EVIL. Full stop. Cope all you like it is there.

Gooning is a form of lust which is a sin

>>213520307
You're being dense. It's poetic imagery. As I stated in my example, are you going to get all autistic if someone says "I made the room cold"? "ERM SWEETIE YOU ACTUALLY JUST DISPELLED HEAT".
You're holding God to a separate standard because it's convenient to your argument

GOOOOOOOON
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>>213520331
>You're holding God to a separate standard because it's convenient to your argument
>>213520227
>But it isn't evil when God does it

>>213520348
>But it isn't evil when God does it
I expanded on that in the post you're quoting

>>213520348
>>213520357
Which you also left out because is convenient to your argument
I hope you're trolling on purpose and not being dishonest outside of your own awareness

>>213520203
>>213520307
Furthermore, if you actually took the time to study hebrew and the roots of monotheism you would know that this is one of the roots of monotheism, this was the cope Israelites HAD to come up with in the babylonian exile to turn Yahweh from a parochial storm and war/raiding god into a universal god
>>213520331
>refuted with direct source from text
>err it's poetic!
No. This is the honest meaning of the text. There was no other way for the israelites to keep any sort of faith in Babylon besides formulating Yahweh like this. It wasn't "worship yahweh because he's the good guy and the babylonian gods are the bad guys" it was "pick yahweh because there's only yahweh and he creates good and evil"
Utterly insufferable means of arguing.

>>213520299
>God's rules are just different, ok?
>He can judge you, but you can't judge him, he judges himself (always innocent), like a bizarrely corrupt judge.
>But he's not corrupt, he's a different kind of judge.

>>213520271
Common Aphrodite W

>>213520415
Do you mind answering what I asked you? Why should your definition of murder be considered more credible than God's?

>>213520331
Requiring the most plain reading of the text to be wrong for your interpretation to fit is like what not to do 101 in bible studies, Jesus Christ

>>213520425

https://theancienthome.com/collections/greek-roman-god-statues/products/venus-de-milo-statue-medium

might buy this, love me aphrodite, goon for her everyday
not a bender just a Hellenist, simple as.

>>213520401
>>213520433
No I'm reading it in the same way I'd read a person saying "I made the room dark."
All text should be read in the way that is most charitable. I would do the same for non Christian texts as well

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

>>213520467
For me, it's the Aphrodite Kallipygos

>>213520432
Because it's the same definition he's supposedly judging us by?

>>213520488
i goon for my goddess

>>213520493
Definition? This is googles definition
>the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
How can God commit an unlawful act if he creates the laws that we are appealing to? And I don't mean in the sense that the state creates the laws, I mean God creates literally everything as we know it, including reason and morality.

>>213520483
Embarrassingly weak argument. If it says "I create good and evil" then he creates good and evil. It does not say "i create good and take it away, I create light and take it away", you are inserting your own post-hoc christian reading onto an ancient hebrew text written to justify why israelites should not assimilate into babylonian culture and worship their pantheon.
Also congratulations on deciding there are certain things god cant create. Like philosophy 101 shit and you faceplant immediately.

>>213520538
>If it says "I create good and evil" then he creates good and evil. It does not say "i create good and take it away, I create light and take it away"
Exactly the same way you say "AC made the room cold" and not "AC deprived the room of heat."
I'm applying the same logic to God and scripture that I would apply to you or anyone else.

>>213520565
>I apply English sentence structure grammar and comprehension to a translation of a hebrew text that does not mince words
Okay man

>>213520593
>a hebrew text that does not mince words
Hebrew is full of poetic imagery, especially in Isaiah

>>213520601
>poetry means I can read anything i want into it even if it contradicts what the plain reading of it is
Hebrew poetry is not English poetry. If you're going against what the text plainly says in its original language why even say that this is your god?

>>213520649
It isnt what I want, it's what makes the most sense, especially paralleled with light and darkness

>>213520663
>it isnt what I want, I just reinterpret the text to make sense in the way I want
Come the fuck on. You know this is weak. Just believe what you want and be done with it.

>>213520706
And lastly I'm done, I know you feel super proud for standing your christian faith but you just make Christians look like idiots for not understand the texts and religious thought their deity is coming from

>>213520706
I think you're the one who doesn't want to believe and is therefore asserting an uncharitable view to make it weak

>>213520728
It seems like you've resorted to shaming me instead of making a point

>>213520524
>How can God commit an unlawful act if he creates the laws that we are appealing to?
'How can a legislator commit an unlawful act if he creates the laws that we are appealing to?'
This what you are asking me right now. Even if it's a monarch that created the rules, the fact that he broke the rules doesn't exempt him from criticism for doing so. I'm judging God right now for his genocidal behavior and arbitrary rules, even if he's beyond my reach.
>I mean God creates literally everything as we know it, including reason and morality.
This is reason 2 as to why an all powerful god is retarded, it's paradoxical. If Reason is absolute like a stone he could not lift then God could have created it, if it's not absolute then it never was reason.

>>213520271
Damn that is based.

>>213520777
Because those monarchs did not actually *create* those laws, just like by building a house you did not *create* the materials. God *owns* these things. Just like you get to do what you want with your property? Literally everything is God's property. Now if God takes someone's life and you don't like it, that does not constitue murder. Life *belongs* to God. If the devs of a game decide something that used to be cheating is now allowed, it doesn't mean they broke the rules. The devs get to do that, as part of being the devs.

>>213520271
fortnite has the best girls

>>213518643
>they are just doing their own thing
The illusion of choice

>>213520857
Being powerful enough to get away with all evil doesn't make you good, it makes you more evil.

>>213520935
That wasn't the point
God is not powerful enough to get away with evil
He's powerful enough to define evil.

>>213520935
Killing sinners isn’t evil

>>213520950
>He's powerful enough to define evil.
Clearly not since we're discussing this.
So he's just powerful enough to get away with committing evil.

>>213521004
What is evil is already described in the bible. You are free to disagree but you will be punished for doing so if you don’t repent

Everyone ITT needs to get spinozapilled right now and stop thinking there's a guy watching you who cares if you jack off

>>213521037
Like a smart politician, God hired a really good PR team, they can make any scandal go away.
Still evil.

>this world was made for humans
>97% salt water

>>213521073
You burning in hell won’t be a scandal

i honestly dont think anyone can seriously believe literally in the bible in 2025. you'd have to be legit psycho

>>213521004
Evil isn't anything that hurts your feefees

>>213521125
I’ve read it start to finish. I believe it

>>213521157
no you don't you are just trolling. just like flat earth schizos

>>213521246
I suggest you read it in its entirety

>>213521283
why exactly would i waste my time reading garbage? next you'll tell me to read mlp

>>213521125
book religion is still the best model for hypnotizing yourself into believing shit so i don't blame em
usually people just flip around between books cal lit a 'phase' but by syaing that god says it they stop flipping through phases as fast

>>213521798
You're too emotional, like a woman, to appreciate the teachings given in the bible. There is a legitimate reason, it seems, to disallow female priests. One swayed by their emotions can not teach the word of god to others

>Whites will defend their Jew book tooth and nail instead of just admitting they got tricked into worshiping a Jew
You're not worth saving.

>>213522277
The new testament doesn't tell us to worship the jew though

>>213522307
See what I mean? You're so ideologically demoralized that you can't even admit it. You were conquered without firing a single fucking bullet.

>>213522277
it is kinda funny that the core religion of europe is from the middle east though

Is it true your boy Jesus loved Mary Magdalene?

>>213522367
Sure it's funny in a tragic kind of way. Keep in mind that the jewbook was never in public hands until after the invention of the printing press, meaning that during Christianification, nobody could read or have access to the information available. And now christcucks complian and islam taking over. I have zero sympathy for anyone that still believes in Abrahamic filth.

>>213521132
Youve done well to intellectualise everything but ultimately you believe a jewish guy was flying around casting magic spells and raising people from the dead, a bush talked, a guy was eaten by a giant fish and lived in it for 3 days, and other ridiculous events actually happened kek

The very name “Easter” hints at its pre-Christian heritage. Scholars trace it to Eostre (or Ostera/Ostara), an Olde English goddess of spring and fertility celebrated around the vernal equinox. Her festivals, held in what we now call March or April, honored renewal, rebirth, and the awakening of the earth after winter’s slumber.

“Easter” likely derives from the Proto-Germanic austrōn (meaning “dawn” or “east”), related to Eostre.

The timing of Easter isn’t a coincidence, it was deliberately synced with these ancient rites when Catholicism spread across Europe, blending the gospel with local customs to ease conversions.

>>213514759
crazy how a single demon that figured out what delayed gratification is managed to pretty much conquer the whole world

>>213523082
You don't believe in miracles? I think that everything even exists is a miracle

>>213522307
Bro you LITERALLY worship a dead jew as your god.

>>213515252
the old testament only exists to give context to the new testament, you aren't actually supposed to follow anything but the 10 commandments. all those other rules are in fact just laws that they made up and put in there because they used the bible as a lawbook
source: my parents and church

>>213513673
If you don't fight you wont be good ie. strong, beautiful, righteous etc.
Just look at western people now.

>>213513940
>circular logic

>>213525322
>If you don't fight you wont be good ie. strong, beautiful, righteous etc.
seems like a design flaw to me

>>213517482
>comfort
Opium for the masses is an apt way to put it

>>213513613
Hadiths and Talmud are both batshit insane
The old testy is pretty insane aswell. New testy has some insane shit but overall its mild

I mean in the Talmud theres a Jewish rabbi debating law with God and the Rabbi ends up winning the debate so he gets to set the law in the Talmud

>>213525399
It's just natural.
Only through struggle, can we find strength.

>>213525536
>It's just natural.
We're talking about God here. Why did he design it this way?

>>213518702
Muslims have zero hindsight on their own religion. literally zero. they just believe everything at face value, something only a fraction of Christians do. going after them is just boring, like banging your head on a wall.
the vast majority of Jews in Western countries are secular. actual religious Jews by definition live in closed communities and barely ever talk to goyim, let alone about religion. they don't want to convert you.
in short Christians are the easiest target because they stand out more and are more permeable to logic.

>>213518702
because they live in christian countries

If you don't take these writings seriously you will go to hell you fucking nonbeliever

>>213515252
And everybody clapped

>>213524508
People were celebrating Jesus' resurrection before the English learned about it. Look up what it's called in other languages and get back to us.

>>213519248
>Stop noticing patterns

Jesus is not a Jew. He has existed since before the world was created

>>213530343
he was born 2025 years ago, don't be a heretic

>>213530502
That’s only his physical form in our world.

my favourite bible verse is the one where god literally tells the israelites to eat shit (he changes it to cow shit instead of their own shit to be merciful)

It's kinda weird that christianity ever caught on when it's blatantly obvious from the new testament that Jesus hated gentiles and didn't give two shits about them. Paul was a genius of marketing in hindsight.

>>213525048
No I don’t believe any of that happened nor should any rational human

>>213530834
Enjoy burning

>Be city planner
>Build a road so shitty that a car driver not having attention to the road for a split second will crash in any case
>Blame the car drivers and not yourself because theoretically a car driver with full attention could drive the road without crashing
>Also give the traffic signs and speed limits to some jews 2000 years ago instead of making them perfectly clear
>Just have faith in the traffic laws haha
>Also your streets are perfect because you are perfect