>All turbolasers at full power! Execute protocol Base Delta Zero.

>>63800401 (OP)
>sends a small cheap single seat fighter that flies through your shields and crashes into your bridge

heh, nothing personnel

If they weren’t terrorists this wouldn’t be necessary

Anyways, I have to go to a briefing, have a deployment to Hoth coming up. Yall enjoy the show.

>>63800409
there's no plot armor around here. they'll just shoot it down or grab it via tractor beam (assuming cap didn't mop it up before even leaving the atmosphere).

The best thing about dtar wars is sucking Jar Jar Binks dick while shoving a lightsaber up your asshole.

>>63800486
their lasers are slower than the speed of light and inaccurate as fuck (not helped by being so slow)

plus they have no missiles, flak, or point defense weapons making small attack craft extremely lethal to them

>>63800500
Enjoy TIE cannon blasts shitass

>>63800512
>TIE

you mean the fighters that catastrophically explode if they take a single hit?

>>63800409
>sends a small cheap single seat fighter that flies through your shields and crashes into your bridge
>>63800486
>they'll just shoot it down or grab it via tractor beam
convert the fighter into capital ship torpedo by loading the cockpit with antimatter and letting drone piloting engage the hyperdrive to microjump the fighter into hull contact with the capital ship

>>63800533
As opposed to your cheap, single seat fighter which doesn’t?

You ain’t a main character retard, you gonna die

>>63800547
x-wings have shields so they can't not immediately explode

>>63800550
Three TIEs clap an X-Wing and ISDs had a lot more than three

You gonna die

>>63800401 (OP)
>buy probe droids in bulk
>program them to do the Holdo maneuver
>kill entire enemy fleet without ever leaving your home
>tfw drones ruin wafare once more
Star Wars is a silly fictional universe.

>>63800557
fighters or escorting ships providing screening fire find themselves out of position if instead of trying to get into position to fire missile you are the missile and just jump past them

>>63800557
>can't win 1v1

sad

>>63800550
A direct hit from a tie is more than enough to take out an X-wing.

>>63800569
You dyin

>picrel, you and your terrorist friends

>>63800571
That’s got nothing to do with me, I’m a ground pounder Stormtrooper Corps all the way

>>63800587
Forget picrel

>>63800589
should've brought right class of warhead and 100% of casualties would've been empire and one airframe carrying warheads for rebels

>>63800600
Shouldn’t have been terrorists and 100% of casualties wouldn’t have happened

>>63800603
I have confidence in my ability to forcibly extract an outright military victory over the imperials if I was in command of rebellion

>>63800611
You couldn’t extract a military victory against Ryloth, your only use is laboring in the shipyards that builds the star destroyers that rule the stars

>>63800617
imperial navy *transporting imperial troops* is such a fat, juicy, helpless target and even the capital ships are actual prey against competent naval power

>>63800623
>competent naval power

You have blockade runners and a handful of Mon Calamari cruisers, I’m not worried

Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use deactivated CIS droids?
Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use Venator-class starships? Everyone in the Clone Wars had one
Why did the Empire pick the TIE fighter over the X-wing?
Instead of blowing up Jedah and Alderaan why didn't Tarkin and Vader blow up Mon Calamari instead? They're the central hub for all Alliance starships
Why did General Veers and Vader land planetside? If they knew the rebels are in Hoth they could have just bombarded them from orbit

>>63800630
>a handful of Mon Calamari cruisers
converted into capital missile cruisers, have combined firepower to annihilate a force of several hundreds of star destroyer in matter of minutes.. then retreat to re-arm

>>63800545
>convert the fighter into capital ship torpedo by loading the cockpit with antimatter and letting drone piloting engage the hyperdrive to microjump the fighter into hull contact with the capital ship
the shielding of an imperial-class far exceeds that of an antimatter warhead the size of a fighter.

>Pick random cruiser
>Hyperjump it into ISDs
Nice triangles, faggot

>>63800644
>the shielding of an imperial-class far exceeds that of an antimatter warhead the size of a fighter.
the tiny bomblets the "tactical bombers" dropped on screen had significant effect, an actual capital class bomb would straight up destroy the ship

>>63800577
It took like 5 hits though

>>63800401 (OP)
Transitional SD formation actually kinda based tho

>>63800401 (OP)
more like BASED Delta Zero

>>63800635
>Why did General Veers and Vader land planetside? If they knew the rebels are in Hoth they could have just bombarded them from orbit
if you want chance to capture intelligence about enemy assets you need to send someone to gather it

>>63800635
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use deactivated CIS droids?
Droids were a senstitive issue after the last war.
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use Venator-class starships? Everyone in the Clone Wars had one
Still part of the Imperial Navy or were mothballed at secure locations
>Why did the Empire pick the TIE fighter over the X-wing?
INCOM and the whole design bureau defected to the Rebels with all the data because Siennar Fleet Systems was sad about competition and had connections high up
>Instead of blowing up Jedah and Alderaan why didn't Tarkin and Vader blow up Mon Calamari instead? They're the central hub for all Alliance starships
And Alderaan was one of the main supporters of the rebels. Good riddance
>Why did General Veers and Vader land planetside? If they knew the rebels are in Hoth they could have just bombarded them from orbit
Orbital bombardment when shields are up takes a lot longer.

>>63800635
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use Venator-class starships?
sci-fi staple is to have obsolete warships of old wars in a ship graveyard in orbit of some planet, possibly thoroughly irradiated

*obsoletes your naval doctrine*
Girlboss...

>>63800635
The majority of CIS battledroids were rounded up by the Empire which also took control of the factories. Venators actually made up the early Imperial fleet but were steadily phased out of active service as newer SD designs were developed. Costs and naval doctrine. Mon Cala was already under Imperial occupation by the time the Death Star came online and wasn't liberated until after the Battle of Yavin. Echo Base was protected by a shield emplacement that could withstand orbital bombardment and a planet defender ion cannon that outranged Star Destroyers' turbolaser batteries.

>>63800691
>hero
achsually.. she threw away her fleet for nothing when she could've actually opened the fight with a decisive move then press on with the whole task force still otherwise intact on now disorganized enemy

>>63800635
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use deactivated CIS droids?
Because they were basically none around left to reactivate?
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use Venator-class starships? Everyone in the Clone Wars had one
No they didn't the Republic had them and the Empire used them in their early years before scrapping them
>Why did the Empire pick the TIE fighter over the X-wing?
Because the TIE Fighter entered service at the end of the Clone Wars and X-Wing hadn't been invented yet?
>Instead of blowing up Jedah and Alderaan why didn't Tarkin and Vader blow up Mon Calamari instead? They're the central hub for all Alliance starships
Mon Calamari was on the list but not a pressing concern at the time
>Why did General Veers and Vader land planetside? If they knew the rebels are in Hoth they could have just bombarded them from orbit
That was the original plan till a certain someone exited light speed too close to the planet making a ground assault the only practical means

My only conclusion to your post that you are rebel scum.

>>63800660
>>63800661
>>63800512
ISD cannons have less explosive power than WW2 BB guns and tie fighters operate between average biplanes and the better range of WW2 prop aircraft scene to scene.

>>63800635
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use deactivated CIS droids?
They did. The reason they weren't in more widespread use is because the Empire got to them first after the shut down order, scrapping them or pressing them into their own service
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use Venator-class starships Everyone in the Clone Wars had one
Because they were all in Imperial possession and it's not like they were handing out surplus capital ships to anyone that seemed remotely disloyal. Most of them got scrapped immediately after they were replaced. The only case of widespread and standardized use of milsurp capital ships was by the CSA, which was loyal to the Empire and only possessed naval forces proportional to their own size.
>Why did the Empire pick the TIE fighter over the X-wing?
Politics (Sienar Fleet Systems was in good graces with Palpatine whereas Incom got mad and turned to the rebels after the nationalization of the company) and cost per unit
>Instead of blowing up Jedah and Alderaan why didn't Tarkin and Vader blow up Mon Calamari instead? They're the central hub for all Alliance starships
Jedha was blown up to mop up loose ends for the Death Star. Mon Cala was already under occupation, on the opposite side of the galaxy from where the Death Star was built, and was not the political center of the Rebellion and its sympathizers, hence why Alderaan was blown up next.
>Why did General Veers and Vader land planetside? If they knew the rebels are in Hoth they could have just bombarded them from orbit
Ozzel dropped out of hyperspace too early which allowed the rebels to get their planetary shield up.

>>63800811
>The only case of widespread and standardized use of milsurp capital ships was by the CSA
I should say, that I recall. Smaller vessels and equipment were plenty elsewhere, but getting ahold of a Venator or Victory-class, as well as the crew to man it and resources to feed it was more difficult and probably not worth the expenditure for an organization like the Alliance prior to Yavin.

>>63800401 (OP)
>laughs in absurdly overdone multi-type layered planetary shield array

>>63800635
>droids
Battle droids were basically gone. Only some busted and buggy remnants excluding Hypori, which had a foundry that survived the war largely unscathed meaning the first to find it could have started production back up. Droids had their own "orders" like 66 including a shutdown code.
>venators
The empire used them briefly scrapping them ASAP because they were also known as "Jedi cruisers". The only ones left were mostly disassembled scrap heaps on junkyard worlds.
>TIE
Because the TIE came much earlier. When they did have the chance to adopt the X-win the TIE fit imperial doctrines. Also fit their lack of caring for pilots and budget concerns better. The TIE is there to support the ISD, not the other way around. It was also legitimately a good fighter when it was adopted. The X-wing was basically the equivalent of LockMart's Skunk Works creating a whole new generation of fighter. The empire tried to destroy the blueprints and Incom with them but the designs were smuggled to the rebels.
>Jedah/Alderaan
Jedah was a kyber rich world and had a lot of Jedi artifacts and sites, including a prominent ancient temple. Alderaan was a show of force perfectly in line with Tarkin Doctrine meant to instill fear and obedience across the galaxy. Mon Calamari wasn't openly in rebellion. Like many worlds it had sympathizers.
>why land on hoth?
Because the rebels (who knew they were coming) detected the fleet and raised their shields immediately. They could have just sat there in orbit blasting away until the shields failed but that would have taken significantly longer than the worst timetable Vader would have seen as acceptable. Slow things can walk, roll, or fly through most shields but those same shields could often stop an absurd amount of weapons fire before failing.

So how many of you guys enjoy the Disney EU or are you Legends fans?
Which is your default canon?

>>63800904
Pre-Disney EU (Legends) is generally better to me. Disneyverse could have been good but they let retards run and ruin the sequel trilogy. Only good things I've seen are Rogue One and The Mandalorian's early seasons. What they did to Temuera Morrison was fucking disgusting Boba wasn't even the main character in his own god damn show.

I do really like the Resurgent Class Star Destroyers though. With some relatively minor modifications they could be really solid warships.

>>63800833
Dont forget the ion batteries, they could severely damage the imperial fleet if they stayed in orbit too long

>>63800904
I for one recognize the EU from the X-Wing/Tie-FIghter simulator games only, besides movies and series.

>>63800917
Looks ugly and most importantly - BORING.

>>63800904
In my stick of the woods, even Zoomers stick to Legends and stick to that framework first, mouse canon second and only when prompted to do so.
Aside from the flagship films of their reboot being infamously bad for innumerable reasons, the worldbuilding and the way the universe fits together as a whole is categorically inferior. It's riddled with gaps in the timeline, plot holes, poor writing, etc. which is partially due to the mass decanonization of decades of material, but also due to subpar skill and management on the part of Disney. There's some good or even superior content, but it generally comes from standalone/small scale stories distant from the sequel narrative and certainly not worth taking the rest of the canon.
>>63800917
First Order design language was the only good thing to come out of the sequels. In any other Star Wars media or other science fiction, it would have been goated.
>Disneyverse could have been good but they let retards run and ruin the sequel trilogy
They completely wiped EU off the board and made the deliberate decision to only keep the worst and most controversial elements of it.

>>63800486
>grab it via tractor beam
what if it's rigged to blow with a nuclear weapon once inside

>>63800917
Legends, but only for civil war(some parts of it), Kyle Katarn and Luke's jedi order

>>63800968
Meant for >>63800904

>>63800951
I figure it looks like a more modern warship aesthetically, but aesthetics are not really the biggest thing for me. It's definitely got a lot of firepower to it and many of the larger guns are better positioned to actually be useful without needing to be damn near broadsiding. My big complaint is the open forward flight deck. Close it up with large shield ports with shutters and I'd be happy. I would also like to see at least 10 more octuple mounts, especially where I've added circles.

>>63800964
That and they closed down Lucasarts giving EA exclusive rights to ALL STAR WARS GAMING which they did just shy of fuck all with.

>>63800691
Sequels arent canon

Star Wars fans are gay

>>63801022
>If you are Luke Skywalker and she is Princess Leia, you already know what to say to each other
Based incest roleplay enjoyer.

>>63800401 (OP)

>>63800917
Andor's pretty good.

>>63801066
>that file name
>that image

>>63801066
Jar Jar was key to all this

imagine....

>>63800401 (OP)
Why dont people just pust astromech droids in single seat fighters and have them do that hyperspace thing from the movies? Surely every fleet is just confronted with hundreds or thousands of dead drop fighters turned into relativistic torpedoes?

>>63802706
get some construction workers, italian deli/pizza shop workers, taxi drivers, and harlem niggas and they'd capture it in no time

>>63800401 (OP)
My cozy planet clearly deserves it. Long live the Empire!

the battle of hoth has to be the most retarded battle in star wars

>have complete endo and exo atmospheric superiority
>only send down some gay AT-ATs with no infantry support or artillery
>take down hoth's shields
>don't use orbital bombardment from star destroyers, ground based artillery, or TIE bomber sorties to pound the trenches
>don't use transports to drop off troops behind the trenches while they're distracted dealing with the AT-ATs
>the only way for the rebels to escape is by space ship
>literally have hundreds of TIE fighters in your flotilla of star destroyers
>don't have them flying in circles directly over the base (hoth has no anti-air defenses)
>don't have them patrolling higher in the atmosphere in case they slip by the CAP on the surface

why doesn't star wars understand the concept of combined arms warfare?

>>63800401 (OP)
eh. launch a freighter and have it jump to lightspeed a kilometer or so off the now directly into it.

>>63802926
forgot my pic

>>63802928
>freighter
you don't even need something that big

force = mass times acceleration. accerlerate a fucking golf ball to near light speed and that would wreck a planet let alone a space ship

>>63800904
Any EU that was used in official LucasArts videogames should have stayed canon. That decanonization angered lots of fans, even casual ones.

>>63800409
>flies through your shields
You mean goes splat on those shields.

>>63800500
>inaccurate as fuck
Owing to levels of ECM so far beyond anything in the modern day we may as well be cavemen.

>>63800533
Like any modern plane?

>>63800736
>itt, retard doesn't understand differences between DEWs and ballistic projectiles
Also, show me a biplane or WW2 prop aircraft that can independently reach orbit. Retard.

>>63800904
There are three movies.

>>63802949
>You mean goes splat on those shields.

rewatch return of the jedi. the a-wings flew right up to the star destroyer and rekt their shield generators at point blank range. the star destroyer's shield did absolutely nothing

>>63802984
what's the point of shield generators if you can shoot the shield generators through the shields?

>>63800635
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use deactivated CIS droids?
Probably because countermeasures were developed to scramble command relays and individual droids.
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use Venator-class starships? Everyone in the Clone Wars had one
Shit wears out. Venerators were cranked out in huge batches and quality control was probably not much of a priority. most of them were probably used up during the war with the survivors remaining in the Imperial fleet until being replaced and scrapped for materials.
>Why did the Empire pick the TIE fighter over the X-wing?
A combination of cost and difference in combat doctrine. TIEs are faster, more agile, and well armed enough in comparison to the X Wing. They're carried wherever they need to go by Capital ships and their agility is seen as enough to compensate for their lack of shields.
>Instead of blowing up Jedah and Alderaan why didn't Tarkin and Vader blow up Mon Calamari instead? They're the central hub for all Alliance starships
The Senate hadn't been dissolved yet and they were keeping the Death Star secret until the Emperor got rod of the Senate
>Why did General Veers and Vader land planetside? If they knew the rebels are in Hoth they could have just bombarded them from orbit
First, the planetary shield prevented orbital bombardment initially forcing General Veers to make a surface attack to destroy the shield generator. And Vader's primary goal was capturing Luke and possibly any other Rebel command personnel.

>>63802863
Because in pre-disney lore it just flat doesn't fucking work against anything with respectable shields, post-Disney it's a crapshoot that requires very high precision to actually work and ignores that most shields stop high velocity objects and hot objects. While that scene was visually spectacular lorewise it was dumb as fuck and shouldn't have worked period. If an Executor can tank a fleet of ISDs accidentally hyperspace ramming the Supremacy sure as shit could have taken that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1TFYzYects

Ramming as seen in Rogue One where it's done at sublight is the way it'd typically be done. Shields typically allow slower cool things through from outside allowing fighters and other such things to be recovered without having to drop shields. Ideally you come out of hyperspace as close as possible then gun it into the other ship, hopefully before they can light you up. Some CIS ships also did this to Republic Venators over Coruscant.

>>63803007
You can't. Turbolaser bolts are both fast and hot. Shields stop them. The fighter is slower and relatively cold. The idea is your fighters can go in and out rather than being in or out the second shields go up. You never have to lower them or open holes unless your ship is fully rayshielded, in which case you couldn't shoot out either.

>>63803031
then it makes the fact that they don't use missiles even more retarded since they'll completely ignore shields

>>63802898
its a mile up, how will those mopes get there?

>>63800401 (OP)
>sleep soundly
Alex Rogan has our back.

>>63803053
a ladder on top of the freedom tower, duh

>>63803024
Clone wars droids weren't common literally because Supreme Chancellor Palpatine was leading the Republic and Darth Sidious the CIS, in other words, the same guy running both sides. The whole war was a con. The droids had a shutdown "order" baked in. Only ones that didn't shut down are the ones that were broken already or those led by a supertac droid that rejected it as fake. Only other way to do it is to make new ones without those "orders", which is possible, but the facilities and tooling were mostly destroyed.
Venators, widely called "Jedi Cruisers" by the public, were quickly dismantled as part of efforts to eradicate the Jedi entirely.

>>63803041
They do, often. Concussion missiles and proton torpedoes are common ship armament with protons typically being the stronger of the two. One of the nastiest rebel ships is armed primarily with launcher tubes. Thing with that is point-defense gunnery is usually a thing and capital ship armor is extremely durable. People desperately need to start realizing that it's not that the guns are weak, it's that the defenses are generally ridiculous. If you want to do kinetic kills you'd be better off building artificial asteroid belts where big ass rocks are just kinda zipping around probably 10% below what a shield will block. The asteroids that were taking down ISDs in ESB were huge btw. Basically like another ISD slamming into them.

>>63803053
If it's a movie they'll figure it out and it'll be crazy and "would never work". If it's real they die the second they get close when a TIE/In eviscerates their aircraft or a gun on the SSD nails them.

>>63800635
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use deactivated CIS droids?

The B-1s had already proven to be of incredibly limited battlefield utility, the CIS lost more engagements than it won with them. Also the shutdown command on Mustafar presumably would have effectively bricked them and made them impossible to reactivate without a software patch overriding it at the very least. You wouldn't want besieged Separatist garrisons to be able to just turn their droids back on with the flip of a switch.

>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use Venator-class starships? Everyone in the Clone Wars had one

1. Virtually every Venator in Republic service at the end of the Clone Wars was subsequently grandfathered into Imperial service

2. The Venators had already been phased out of frontline service by the time of the Galactic Civil War and replaced with the Imperial-class

3. The overwhelming majority of decommissioned Venators would presumably have languished at a reserve fleet for a few years, then been demilitarized and sent straight to Raxus Prime for scrapping. There would have been very little opportunities to acquire a secondhand Venator with functional weapons without stealing one

>Why did the Empire pick the TIE fighter over the X-wing?

X-Wings were supposed to be the Empire next-generation starfighter, but then a whistleblower told Incom's executives that they were up for the next round of purges, so the entire design team defected, taking the blueprints and prototypes with them. There was also the competing TIE Advanced x1 (the ship Vader flies during the Battle of Yavin), a design comparable to the X-Wing in terms of capability, but only entered limited service.

>Instead of blowing up Jedah and Alderaan why didn't Tarkin and Vader blow up Mon Calamari instead?

1. Rogue One is not canon, fuck Disney

2. It was an open secret that Alderaan had been the Rebel Alliance's primary financial backer for years and Palpatine was looking for an excuse to make an example of it

>>63803070
>If it's a movie they'll figure it out and it'll be crazy and "would never work"
But of course it does work and our heroes destroy it without it falling on NYC or an explosion so large they call it New York Bay from then on

>>63802926
Since you obviously weren't paying attention to the dialogue half the shit appearing onscreen. Echo Base is protected by a shield that can withstand direct bombardment. It only has to be lowered very briefly for the transports to escape. Echo Base also has a planet defender ion cannon capable of one-shotting a Star Destroyer that forces the Imperials to position themselves far enough from the planet to be ineffectual. The transports immediately jump to hyperspace the moment they're able. The shield doesn't reach the ground so the Imperials land a force outside its perimeter and march in to destroy the generators which bring down the shield and ion cannon and allow the fleet to move on the base directly.

>>63803031
>>63803041
As depicted in the films, typical shields don't seem to be contiguous like in Star Trek, as the destruction of the Executor's deflector shield tower only brought down some of their shields.

>>63803053
Reminder that due to a powerlevel autist getting a position writing EU works turbolaser impacts that close to the ship would damage it. Also because no one in the EU knows how distance and scale work turbolasers have a maximum range of 100km and an optimal range of 15km.

>>63803167
>turbolasers have a maximum range of 100km and an optimal range of 15km.
wtf millennia of warfare and no one builds nuke driven x-ray lasers n shieet

>>63800401 (OP)
since hyperdrive ramming was retconned into existence by Disney, any hyperspace capable shitbox freighter or shuttle is an unstoppable capital ship killing torpedo

>>63803167
>turbolasers have a maximum range of 100km and an optimal range of 15km.
isn't that smaller than the length of a super star destroyer

>>63803271
>Base Delta Zero New York

>>63803279
>by Disney
Tartakovsky SW had hyperdrive ramming

>>63803167
Safe bet a massive ship like an SSD is using multiple generators to project the full shield simply due to size. The big difference between Trek and Wars shields is Trek seems to get absolutely catastrophic feedback causing consoles and conduits to explode and all sorts of other when they start getting low while Wars shields you're generally protected until they actually fail (excluding disney slop that behaves just like Trek). Another difference is Wars shields can be "form fitting", not just bubbles.

Also, turbolasers very definitely have longer ranges than that. The SSDs shields would undoubtedly laugh off splash damage from it's own relatively small guns blasting the piss out of the city. Something like an Eclipse firing it's main weapon straight down from that close would probably do some damage, probably. Other thing is you don't have to fire at max yield every single time and probably shouldn't. I'd expect it to be like firing the spiciest rounds you could without grenading your gun, parts are gonna fail much quicker. Ships would be worthless if they had to go sit in drydock to get their barrels and other critical replaced constantly.

>>63803304
Technically correct but not quite. CIS ships were exiting hyperspace close enough to be too sudden to really stop, but with enough time to actually slow down. They were not performing true hyperspace ramming like the Holdo that thought maneuver.

>SSDs
A meme. Anything bigger than Bellator is a meme

>>63803321
Executors are basically Tarkin doctrine slop designed to bring fear and thus obedience. Something like an Eclipse, Assertor, or Sovereign is there very specifically to fuck your shit up and can very capably do so.

anything bigger than a corvette filled with hyperspace missiles is a meme, star wars is jeune ecole territory now

>>63803349
If you're wondering what an Assertor is btw, pic very related.

>>63803351
>CIS destroying Venators by flying buzz droids with thermal detonators strapped to them into the bridge windows and engines

>>63803287
19km for the Executor.

>>63803306
It's more accurate to say that Trek shields operate on nonsensical rules designed to maximize tension while Wars shields are plot devices that only exist when needed for the story.

>>63803317
No one actually goes FTL in realspace in Wars. You approach lightspeed which allows you to jump into hyperspace, a subreality where you can GOES FAST, then drop below lightspeed when exiting to realspace. if you're ramming people by dropping out of hyperspace and not using your ships as relativistic kill vehicles it's either intentional or you're an idiot.

>>63803433
It's intentional because if you try to RKV a shielded ship the shields will laugh at you. You have to be going slow enough that it doesn't trigger the shields, which is why it's important to slow down to normal speeds before you interact with those shields. Again, they typically stop fast things and hot things.

Why wasn't Thrawn in the Battle of Endor?

If the Empire had like 2 million ISDs where the fuck were they?

Even if the Rebels won in Endor they still had to contend with the billions remaining in the Empire.

>>63803461
All explained in the EU

>>63800904
I pick stuff case by case.not a fan of operation cinder and the empire scrapping most venators.Andor and Mando are ok but Ignore the disney movie shitology

>>63800635
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use Venator-class starships? Everyone in the Clone Wars had one
Because the Empire was still using them.

the cis made the best warships.

their fleet was far more diverse, and even their "small" star frigates were more than a match for the main line republic star destroyer in groups of 3. and they could build and deploy fleet killers like malevolence in short order. their battleships were virtually unassailable by a task force of venators.

looking at the movies and tcw only, you can deduce from this that the empire made larger star destroyers and dreadnoughts like executor from lessons learned in the clone wars against the cis.

>>63803450
Why did that big evil First Order ship not have shields?

>>63802967
You'll never squirm out from under the boot that is what we've all seen on screen for half a fucking century warsie. The old faggot days of sci fi forums and made up nuke numbers are long since over. You losers had your day in the sun and it was fifteen fucking years ago.


Star Wars numbers are in the fucking shitter. Always have been, always will be. The "big" feats are all outnumbered fifty to one. The Grand Army of the Republic would barely be a match for the Grand Army of the Potomac in a ground engagement.

>>63809571
Either it did but because they didn't realize how stupid that'd be lorewise it didn't matter or it straight up didn't because Disney. It was only afterwards when the fandom brought up how badly it ruins combat in Star Wars that they partially retconned it saying it's really really hard to actually pull off.

Disney doesn't actually understand Star Wars, which is a huge part of why their content has been mediocre at best. They are more worried about aesthetics and THE MESSAGE. Disney lightsabers bounce off the ground harmlessly instead of leaving a molten slash, getting run through with a saber is easily survivable, and turbolaser shots arc like naval shells for no reason. There are far more examples to be given.

>>63809711
>numbers
>feats
Deathbattle faggots all need to rope themselves

Fantasy versus wankery is so fucking tiresome.

>>63809571
they do, but shields can be flown under; you see this when kylo flies under radus' shields as lasers from supremacy impact above him.

"lightspeed" is one of those infinite energy deals where no shields could stop it.

>>63800401 (OP)
I remain calm because this does not exist and this thread belongs in /tv/.

>>63803461
It was a Trap.
Did you not get that?
If they had moved more then Vaders fleet there the rebels never ever would have tried to run full force into it.

The Trap was that the DeathStar II was weapons operational. Taking out capital ships in every shot.

okay but if they could do that the whole time why bother with the death star in the first place? how many fleets of star destroyers could have been built and crewed for the time and money used to construct the death star that got BTFO immediately after its first real world use?

>>63800557
>and ISDs had a lot more than three
something like 60 fighters and additional 12 bombers. And embarrassingly low number for its size.

>>63800409
rebel NATO tactics, hate em

>>63802706
Imagine hundreds of nukes hitting it

>>63803461
>2 million
25k spread over entire the known galaxy
>Even if the Rebels won in Endor they still had to contend with the billions remaining in the Empire.
Except there wasn't anyone left powerful enough to reign in the rest of the Empire. It's not like they just conducted a decapitation strike on the most top-heavy political clusterfuck in the galaxy.

>>63803090
Didn't Thrawn also have his own TIE design that just got lost in bureaucracy(also partly due to his autism)?

>>63810237
SW has always been aesthetics and the EU was never canon except when the films took something from it. Most of the shit people are talking about in this thread has no canon source. In fact, post-Disney SW is far, far more likely to canonize EU since a lot of the people working on it are EU fans while George famously didn't give a single shit and used his own ideas.

>>63800635
>Why did General Veers and Vader land planetside? If they knew the rebels are in Hoth they could have just bombarded them from orbit

>>63811715
>/co/
>fellating Filoni
/co/ considers everything after the original run of TCW pozzed shit and Filoni a pathetic waifufag.

>>63800705
>find out later the Holdo Maneuver is 1:1,000,000
>so she evacuated everyone to the planet as a distraction
>tried to flee in the opposite direction and died fucking it up

>>63800486
Shot down how?
Star destroyers have no AA/point defense and they only carry 72 Tie fighters now in the Disney version vs the ~20 they carried in EU.

>>63810409
>this thread belongs in /tv/.

Star Wars threads on /tv/ are nothing but

>malding at RLM (I don't like the Plinkett reviews either but they've taken on a degree of infamy that they just aren't deserving of)
>RLM shills counter-malding at the Prequels (and getting shat on)
>Disney shills desperately attempting to rehabilitate the Sequels (and fooling no one)
>Hayden Christensen shitposting (albeit it's actually funny)
>RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE (more recently because of Andor)

It's even worse on /co/ where it's nothing but Communists, racemixers, and pedophiles fellating Dave Fagloni.

/k/ and /tg/ are the only place to have a decent thread on Star Wars (plus /v/ if it's a KOTOR thread)

>>63800401 (OP)
I am owed a cute virgin Twilek wife

>>63811753
>Star Wars threads on /tv/
>You have been banned for 3 days for posting in an off topic thread
Posting on /tv/ is like playing russian roulette anymore with what is considered off topic or not

>>63811720
>/co/ considers everything after the original run of TCW pozzed shit
>implying it was ever good to begin with

>>63811753
Star Wars threads if they are to stay on /k/ need more gear porn.
Like how the Y-Wing is the correct choice for Rebelfag Starfighter and X-Cucks better leave.

>>63810316
I speak the language they understand.

A couple times a year they come here to get laughed at, we have become increasingly efficient at making them cry.

>>63800401 (OP)
NOT SO FAST HERETIC

>>63811747
they have multiple point defense laser cannons and smaller turbolaser canons (some of which are internal manned guns). you can see them hitting asteroids and the millennium falcon in esb. the big guns are the turrets flanking superstructure.

>>63811525
they wouldn't do anything at all since the shields will deflect it (the shields run off the magic hypermatter fueled reactors that can put out gigatons, teratons or more of energy per second). kinetic impact is something they seem to be weak against, but you need to disable the shields for that to work.

>>63802984
you'll note the ackbar told the fleet to concentrate fire on executor, meaning they were being bombarded by multiple capital ships and escorts, which would have lowered the shields for the generators to get hit by nuclear missiles.

>>63802967
>retard doesn't understand differences between DEWs and ballistic projectiles
Turbolasers are never ever ever shown working at actual DEWs in the movies despite laser in the name

pic related: a projectile moving at sublight speeds

>*blows up your gay stone-age retro-futurism ship with a single phaser shot*
Nothin' personnel, kid.

>>63800401 (OP)
Majority of developed civilized planets had planetary shields that could protect anything short of the Death Star, for the most part.
>>63800409
When did this ever happen? The A-Wing bridge kamikaze at the Battle of Endor (by Galactic Hero Arvel Crynyd may his glory be always remembered), only was able to happen because conventional attack of the Alliance starfighter wing knocked out the bridge shields.
Yes ISD I class had a slight weakness if a defensive starfighter force could knock out the shield generators, but in a vaccuum the ISD's TIE screens would block that.
>>63800635
I'm sure a lot of the CIS assets were acquired by the Empire or scrapped during the transitional period. Palpatine had all the CIS idiots under his thumb anyway.
>why TIE over X-Wing?
Doctrinal, and I think Incom engineers ran away and took a lot of their plans with them.
>Why did General Veers and Vader land planetside? If they knew the rebels are in Hoth they could have just bombarded them from orbit
Because the Rebels had a single planetary shield array on Hoth. A SINGLE ONE. Which makes OP's thread stupid. This was mentioned in the fucking film, and why Veers had to land, to get inside the shield zone to knock it out.

>>63813622
>frequency
Star Trek weapons are literal joke and if that asian nerd's autistic site wasn't hijacked for boner pill advertisements I'd look more data up but I can't be bothered.

>>63813651
A single hand phaser is more powerful than most SW ships, shut up faggot

>>63800635
Sweetheart, the CIS ships and droids went to live on a big farm upstate where they can run and play in a big field with B-17s and Me-109s all day.

>>63813651
>*transports a tri-cobalt bomb into your engine room*
Oopsie! Should've invented teleportation technology, Star Wars!

>>63813659
Not even fucking close.
>>63813667
>transport
>except there is a wierd quirk in the metal that stops it, or some frequency buffer shit gets delayed, or some other shit
Star Trek technology is bullshit and flaky as fuck. And fuck you nerds for even getting into a Trek vs Wars nonsense fight, Trekkies always lose because you're literaly midwits. Star Wars knows it's space opera bullshit and doesn't try to explain technology because it's just used for what it needs to be used for, but Trekkies actually believe their retard technologies are viable in the least bit as the shows display them!

What is your favorite starship?

For me its the Arc-170

>>63800409
>Ignoring the entire rebel fleet including multiple ISD+ sized Mon Calamari ships firing at the SSD for about half an hour
>And strikecraft nailing the shield generators with torpedos
>Only after all of this did an A-Wing nail the bridge

>>63811753
>NPC still saying everything he doesn't like is communists
Nazis, Confederates and Russians are all the same drool authoritarian slop.
Of course you hate fun discussions and don't know one of unwritten rules of 4chan boards.

>>63813708
If you're talking about supplies, at least in legends, the Empire used Field-Secured Container Vessels (FSCV), which transported cargo around in massive force fields and could be longer than super star destroyers if they were 'fully loaded'

>>63813698
While not a true starship, LAATs will never not be my favorite vehicle in SW.

>>63813644
How come you can fly through a planetary shield to land and knock it out with ground, but a bridge shield on a star destroyer can stop a star fighter from crashing into it?

It stands to reason that the planetary shield powerful enough to stop bombardments is also much harder to pass through with physical objects like ships or bombs - unless shields do not block physical objects only blaster/laser weapon energy, in which case why not just fly a star fighter into the bridge again?

>>63813806
They didn't fly through a planetary shield they landed on the planet outside the shield, why they had the walkers to advance.

>jumps in
hey guys what's going on in this system

>>63813608
they're either invisible lasers with tracers or magical things beyond our comprehension, since they aren't affected by gravity.

i think the first is more likely, since there very much is lasers with visible beams shown.

>>63813663
kek
>where seldom is heard
>a discouraging word
>and the skies are not cloudy all day

>>63813644
>only was able to happen because conventional attack of the Alliance
's entire fleet focusing ALL FIREPOWER on that Super Star Destroyer!

>>63813742

Found the /co/mmie. Take your orange butt cheeks bestiality fetish and brain chip cope back to the fetid sewerpit of contemporary Western entertainment where it belongs. Or better yet, get on the Chilean Air Force helicopter and get an all-expenses-paid parachute-less skydiving lesson into the ocean, courtesy of Augusto Pinochet.

>>63814020
They are objectively by all metrics magical puffs of glowing bullshit and any "theory" that steps away from it is fanciful fan masturbation.

>>63813449
>Niggatons
You're never going to sell the ICS numbers here spacebattler give it up.

>>63814289
Now type that again without crying.

I just want to see an AT-AT take a jdam

>>63817454
that's just the scientific facts of what's shown on screen. the superlaser and acceleration of various things.

in tcw (lucas canon), there was 100 megaton battlefield warheads shown: they didn't cause the same damage as we would think, meaning they're capable of directing that amount of energy into smaller areas.

>>63818546
and disney canon as gigaton+ cannons on a mandator-iv dreadnought and planet destroying lasers on star destroyers.

starkiller base sucks up solar masses and destroys planets with lasers that move faster than c.

>>63818546
Don't be such a nigger

>>63819008
Don't be such a faggot

Post your guns with timestamp or get the fuck out btw.

>>63818546
>>63819008
For every nerd calculation that suggests nuclear scale commonality in Star wars there are a hundred scenes that deny it. The setting literally shatters to a million pieces when you try to force the square peg that is big numbers into the round hole that is a setting where ships fruitlessly bombard infantry, tank scale weapons can penetrate ship armor, men hide from tank scale weapons successfully behind wood and snow and packed earth fortifications, infantry fight inside of rock throwing distance, and personal armor can be penetrated by said rocks.
These displays exist from front to back through all levels and all versions of the text, from books to original films to prequels to sequels to tabletop roleplaying games it's always one nuke and one thousand firecrackers. One ship that reaches orbit in a second for every thousand that moves incontrovertibly at less than mach 1 flat out pedal to the metal.

Star Wars is a setting where infantry that would be out of its league in WW2 use armored vehicles that can be destroyed by 1800s cannons supported by aircraft that they can watch slowly meander through the air and miss aimed shots at 500 feet or less even sometimes against stationary targets, all under the umbrella of ships that fight at distances measured in double digit miles at best, and can't consistently protect themselves from single to double digit fighter craft moving so slow their pilots have on screen reactions and exchanges of words before they can even clear a ship stem to stern.

>>63800635
Because the prequels are retarded and thr clones should have been the antagonists the seperatists used while the republic used conscripts.

>>63819192
fuck you the clone betrayal was the only thing that made the prequels worth it

>>63800973
>underbite-class ISD
no thhank you

Imperial I and II classes are gay and only look nice. Empire would've won if they just spammed Acclamators and Victory Is.

>>63819097
>For every nerd calculation that suggests nuclear scale commonality in Star wars there are a hundred scenes that deny it.
if two things are true, it means both are, anon. there's nothing inconsistent with the death star vaporizing a planet or a handheld blaster knocking over a droid. the the highest energy shown in star was is "infinite", via lightspeed.

we have small arms to 100 megaton bombs. there's nothing inconsistent for both of those to exist.

>>63819360
Sure just so long as you accept that said 100 megaton bomb would instafuck any ship in the fleet up to and probably including the super star destroyer.

>>63819192
>thr clones should have been the antagonists the seperatists used while the republic used conscripts.

Nigger, it was implied from the very first fucking movie that the Republic had been the side to use clone soldiers.

>>63825860
How? Hard disagree, reading heir to the empire.

>>63825869
>identical sets of identity-less armor (i.e. obscuring their appearance so you can't tell them apart on an individual level)
>identical voices
>identical übermensch physical builds (to the point where Leia is able to recognize Luke as a phony purely due to his shorter stature)
>identical mentality and group ethic of mindless unthinking obedience, to the point where it actively impedes their chances of winning the war because they can't improvise or adapt the way the Rebel Alliance (or even the Ewoks) can and fall for the easiest Jedi mind tricks

Did you even watch the Original Trilogy?

>>63825957
You're being retarded, that's just the cliche nature of villain's henchmen in face obscuring impractical armor.

>>63825860
No it wasn't and the idea that the Stormtroopers are somewhat descended from clones undermines half the grievences with the Empire. Star Wars came out in the 70s and one of the "bad things" the "evil" Empire did was conscript its forces to impose it's will on the galaxy. But coddled ass millenials wouldn't understand this grievance.
>>63825957
>avatarposter is a retard
Who'd thunk?

>>63825967
>that's just the cliche nature of villain's henchmen in face obscuring impractical armor.

Congratulations, you've managed to refute a grand total of one of four points. Nevermind that the face obscuring impractical armor makes them seem inhuman, as if they had been manufactured (and that's what cloning in Star Wars is, the industrial scale manufacturing of people).

Even the interiors of the Imperial starships have this sterile and hostile feeling to them. That everything is mass produced with the cold efficiency of machinery, which circles back around to cloning as the mass-manufacturing of human beings.

>>63826013
>>63825957
You're literally just making a headcanon up long after the original movies and treating it as objective fact

>>63825990

Where in any of the original three films is it implied that Stormtroopers were conscripts. I could understand this argument with regards to the Sequels since Finn from his very introduction is shown to be suffering a crisis of conscious, but the Stormtroopers in the original three films are basically non-characters.

>>63825990
>Who'd thunk?

>>63817700
shitjam wouldn't even scratch the paint off an AT-AT, besides the shields would negate any damage anyway

>>63825990
>the idea that the Stormtroopers are somewhat descended from clones undermines half the grievences with the Empire

So far as I can tell, the only grievances with the Empire that are portrayed in the films (not counting EU for a second, because that was mostly produced after the release of the films by people who were essentially interpreting George's work using cliff notes he provided for them) are

>general authoritarianism
>general untrustworthiness ("I have altered the deal, pray I don't alter it any further")
>state-sanctioned murder (slaughter of the Lars homestead)
>oppression of non-human races (massacre of the Jawas, derogatorily referring to Chewbacca as a "thing")
>genocide (destruction of Alderaan)

At no point, does the Empire's recruitment of Stormtroopers (be they clones, conscripts, or volunteers) come in as a factor.

>>63826084
Lmao muh nuclear ATATs with cannons weaker than hand grenades.

>>63817700
>>63826084
120mm APFSDS would be better. I'd expect a JDAM to do damage but not actually down the walker unless you accurately hit the right spots. I figure a tank would have a much easier time slapping it in the dick.

Star Wars armor is primarily focused on stopping blaster fire via energy dissipation. They typically aren't made to take hits from weapons nobody has used for potentially thousands of years, like that APFSDS round. An AT-AT's actual plates (made of capital ship armor) will probably still stop it, but there's plenty of spots that bitch will go right on through or at least fuck up on impact that would otherwise still be fairly protected from blaster fire. Imagine thinking you're untouchable then some primitive shitbox fucks up your walker's knee joint ruining the whole show with a projectile going about 5k fuck yous per second.

>>63827124
>Capital ship armor
That's nothing to be proud of

>>63800401 (OP)
>Appears on your cozzy planet's orbit
*blocks your path*

>>63829796

I don't think a MAC gun is getting through a Star Destroyer's energy shields...

>>63826084
what are you talking about, AT-ATs got fucked by all sorts of threats in both legends and canon all the time
>>63827124
It could work but the AT-AT would be hugely advantaged against tanks in the open in terms of detection and effective firing range simply because if its height. Also better gun depression than most real tanks have gun elevation.

>>63800401 (OP)

>>63830096
Why are you brown?

>>63830098
low iq

Why did anyone have a problem with this? It's a staple of classic science fiction.

>>63832417
Because it makes no sense that no one ever tried it before until that point.

>>63832458
Well, even then they did it wrong.

>>63832417
In pre-Diney lore shields typically stopped that outright. In Disney lore after that scene the question immediately became why the hell would you even bother with traditional in-universe weapons and massive ships when you could just make trillions of TIE sized RKVs? Why didn't that just become the standard when hyperdrives first showed up?

>>63802945
A golf ball moving at the speed on light "only" has about 500 kt TNT of kinetic energy.

>>63832417
>It's a staple of classic science fiction.
so is teleportation beams, but it's still not Star Wars and makes a mockery of previous films

>>63825860
Literally all that's said is that Obi-wan and Luke's (unnamed) dad fought in a conflict (or conflicts) called the Clone Wars. The only line of dialog in ANH that could even obliquely imply that the Republic used clones was Leia saying "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" Which:
1. Refers to a military force that Obi-Wan very explicitly connected with the Empire ("only *Imperial* stormtroopers are so precise"), which implies that either the Republic didn't have stormtroopers or that the Imperial stormtroopers were somehow different than 'Republic stormtroopers' (the prequels obviously established otherwise, but the Phantom Menace wouldn't come out for another 22 years after ANH)
2. Only means the stormtrooper corps has a height requirement and that Mark Hamill (5' 9") doesn't meet it. Napoleon III's escort troop (minimum height: 5' 11") weren't clones, so why would it mean the stormtroopers are? (p.s. I only brought the Cent-Gardes up so I'd have an excuse to post picrel because their uniform was baller af. Deal with it.)

>>63825957
>>>identical sets of identity-less armor (i.e. obscuring their appearance so you can't tell them apart on an individual level)
Do you mean a uniform?
>>identical voices
They clearly don't though (link related)
https://youtu.be/lHLlyVIkXdU?si=0T1hXDbry3jtthBw
>>identical übermensch physical builds
They clearly don't though (picrel).
>>fall for the easiest Jedi mind tricks
The only person shown to be resistant to Jedi mind tricks in the original trilogy is Jabba, and that was the third movie not the first. Obi-wan saying the trick works on the "weak-minded" might have been his way of saying "normies" (i.e. all but the exceptional)

>>63826013
>Nevermind that the face obscuring impractical armor makes them seem inhuman, as if they had been manufactured
Behold, clones!

>>63832417
>It's a staple of classic science fiction
SW ain't sci-fi

>>63800401 (OP)

>>63813733
>And strikecraft nailing the shield generators with torpedos
those are radar ("sensor") domes, destroyed to demonstrate the shields are down, not the shield generators themselves, that is a flanderization carried on by westend games and other shit houses for decades now

they knew exactly where to hit us

>>63811753
>/tg/
Come to /swg/ some time and tell me how decent the threads are. They exist, which is why I'm there, but it sucks. At least activity picks up when a new show is running. Outside of that, it's hours or days of life-support, until one of the two local retards wakes up, and then they argue with each other for several threads, and then go back to sleep or work and the threads return to life support.

There are no good SW threads on 4chan.

>>63836018
Tough shit, the domes have been shield generators for like two decades now.

>>63836041
nope

>>63813742
>Nazis, Confederates and Russians are all the same drool authoritarian slop
Now you know this isn't true.

>>63813990
Galactica would get flash boiled by a single phaser hit

>>63836047
>Bigass sphere blown up by fighters
>Fighters can enter capital ship shields due to how starwars tech works
>"Sir we lost our bridge deflector shields!"
>Totally unrelated BTW

>>63836065
>shields are down
>thing covered by shields now able to be destroyed
>bridge officer realizes shields are gone
I can't imagine going through life being too stupid to figure this out on your own. You have my sympathy, even though I think you should probably be put down for the good of the gene pool.

>>63836076
The point of strikecraft in Star Wars are that they bypass shields
Been like that for a really long fucking time.
Go back 2 preddit.

>>63836065
>>63836084
>Fighters can enter capital ship shields
No, they can't, it's why Lando tells the fighters to pull up so they don't smash into the shields, and why they have to wait for the shields to be down before they can complete their mission, otherwise they'd have flown inside and blown up the reactor already. Are you really too stupid to understand something like Star Wars or are you just pretending for attention? Be honest.

>uh oh our shields are down now we're vulnerable to fighters
>but sir, fighters can enter our shields at will

>>63833167
You're right, it's become shit.

>>63811753
>RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE RAPE (more recently because of Andor)
Mfw PAFPoster doesn’t Krole post

>>63813698
Unironically the Mankvim, I love this little retard rocket ship like you wouldn’t believe

>>63830052
According to Halo's lore an orbital MAC gun can fire a projectile incredibly fast, so it might be able to take down a star destroyers energy shields. They can one shot covenant capital ships with their shields at full power.

https://www.halopedia.org/Er%C5%91d-class_orbital_weapon_platform

We saw what a ship going light speed could do to a star destroyer in one of the movies, so just shoot it 3 or 4 times?

>>63830052
Lmao yeah how could that equal the power of turbo lasers that blow ten foot holes in the ground, or a crashing A Wing moving at 500 miles an hour at best.

>>63836036
I blame both the sequel trilogy and the death of the tabletop side via Asmodee stupidity for the enshittification of the /swg/ threads. Doesn't help that /co/ refugees and filonifags have fully entrenched themselves there and keeps on horny posting for orange cheeks. The last good period for Star Wars threads was back in 2016.

Wound up leaving /tg/ since the last place I used to go there were /btg/, which went to hell after the Clan Invasion kickstarter and the actual camfags coming into the threads and looking for upvotes and sheeit, /swg/, which I just talked about, and the Dungeon Meshi readalongs that finished.

>>63836989
Entirely depends on which lore era ISD you're putting the Bag MAC up against.
>Pre-Disney
It isn't getting through. You'd be better off using modified Archers to try and slip them through the shields "slowly" instead of overpower them with continual bombardment.
>Disney
It's got a solid shot of getting through. Heck, they might even forget to raise shields (instead of just running them all the time like normal) because Disney bad guys are dumber than a sack of potatoes to allow the good guys a chance.

>>63837012
Buddy, we get it. You really REALLY don't like Star Wars. You can stop desperately trying to convince us of that any time now.

>>63837206
>Pre-Disney
You niggers always try this "oh the lore was consistent inside XYZ partition and it was all big numbers" and it's never held water. We didn't fall for it the first 1000 times you tried it and we wont this time either.

>>63836084
>they bypass shields
idiot
the entire fucking Rebel strategy of the Endor battle just went over your head
>the shields are down, commence attack on the Death Star's main reactor!
they probably cut the scene from the movie, but the novelisation (which is basically a direct copy of the original script) describes a couple of fighters blowing up from impacting on the shield

>>63837095
/btg/ went to ratshit because CGL got pozzed, the time jump is a shark jump, and we didn't make NiceDaemonette and Bansheefag's life a living hell for being utterly clueless pseuds
>t. fellow refugee

>>63837695
At least with the time jump we got a few things to laugh about like the Stoners being retarded, Wolves Dragoons getting fucked over and the Bears being shown once again that they were hypocrites.
>NiceDaemonette
Was it him or Bansheefag the one who tried to off his mom by dropping heavy furniture on them? Though a big reason I left was due to Bottomfag and that apparently a good bit of the newblood at that point were just attention seeking faggots. Doesn't help that the oldfags were leaving one by one at that point.

>>63837716
>tried to off his mom by dropping heavy furniture on them?
I try not to remember

Bottomfag at least fucking played
it was obvious that the pseuds not only just theorycrafted, they were dead wrong about most tactics as well but wouldn't admit it, and being terminally online could shit up the thread faster and louder than anyone else

>>63800401 (OP)
I distract you with a prank call and then approach with three Y-Wings with paper thin armor at about 20 miles per hour to drop gravity bombs on you. Your move.

>>63837432
You really should stop being such an uppity faggot. Your whole opinion boils down to "REEEEEEEEE!"

>>63838930
>Standard warsie strategy when invading a site they don't belong in
>Try to pass off the ICS and other thirty year old science fiction forum drek as consistent with the films hoping no one has heard these arguments before
>Try to suggest that all inconsistencies in the scale of lore come with convenient sections; books vs movies, this movie vs that movie, etc
>When sufficiently embarrassed by own lies, just accuse anyone pointing out the truth of "hating Star wars"
>Repeat strategy for decades from the dawn of fan forums to the death of the Internet.

>>63840602
>I don't like Star Wars weapons!
>I don't like Star Wars warships!
>I don't like Star Wars threads!
>I don't like Star Wars!
>I'm going to deliberately go into a Star Wars thread to tell everyone just how much I don't like it!
>REEEEEEE!

>>63841265
>Come to a board that doesn't want you to lie about a fictional franchise
>If you don't accept my lies you hate my show and you need to leave this board I've invaded
Lmao I see you're well into the pissing and shitting because you've been discovered phase.

Post gun with timestamp btw

>>63832620
Going by the canon numbers giving for the volume of the Raddus, assuming it has the same mass as ordinary air, and assuming it is traveling at 0.9c when it impacts the Supremacy if my math is right that impact should have produced 40 petatons of energy. Based on what we saw in the film, while the Supremacy was split in half and its support fleet heavily damaged, the Supremacy remained functional to the point of the First Order being able to carry out a ground assault on the scale of Hoth within a few hours of the attack. Given that 40Pt is the equivalent of over 500 Chicxulub impact events and the Raddus is clearly not made out of air, one can assume that due to shield technology the floor for effective hyperspace ramming starts at "build something roughly the same mass as a Star Destroyer."

>>63836989
Going by your source, the largest MAC installations only output 5.87 teratons per shot.

>>63837736
>at least fucking played
I have played, I've even run a game by now!

>>63800635
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use deactivated CIS droids?
Didn't exist anymore, destroyed by the Empire
>Why didn't the Rebel Alliance use Venator-class starships? Everyone in the Clone Wars had one
Didn't exist anymore, scrapped by the Empire
>Why did the Empire pick the TIE fighter over the X-wing?
Incom defected to the rebels
>Instead of blowing up Jedah and Alderaan why didn't Tarkin and Vader blow up Mon Calamari instead? They're the central hub for all Alliance starships
Lore at the time was that the Mon Calamari made first contact with Empire space only shortly before Yavin and was therefore not a member of the Alliance at the time. The prequels retconned this. In the lore of the prequel era, the Mon Calamari were not full Alliance members until after the Battle of Yavin.
>Why did General Veers and Vader land planetside? If they knew the rebels are in Hoth they could have just bombarded them from orbit
Literally explained in Episode V, you adhd zoomer.

>>63800904
DisneyWars sucks and is not canon. The only canon Star Wars films were made by George Lucas. EU was never canon but George tried not to contradict it much, so it's quasicanon. The only good stuff to come from the Disney era is Rogue One and some early Mandalorian, maybe Andor too but I haven't watched it so idk. Anyone proclaiming to be a DisneyWars fan is a soulless corpo shill faggot.

>>63841516
trvke. As surely as day follows night, the next posts are "40 petatons" "5.87 teratons" powerlevel cope.

>>63811753
>they've taken on a degree of infamy that they just aren't deserving of
Basically everything wrong with DisneyWars was suggested by Plinkett in that terrible "review", and we know for a fact that JJ's buttbuddy Simon Pegg was a big enough fan of it that he posted it on his Twitter encouraging people to watch it. Theres a 99% chance that the Plinkett review had a direct influence on the DisneyWars films. I like RLM when they're talking about other stuff, but the Plinkett reviews (and their opinions on both TFA and R1) are just awful.
>>63813742
Kill yourself, commie.

>>63844092
>opinions on both TFA and R1
what are they?
I liked R1

>>63844092
>JJ's buttbuddy Simon Pegg
both are irrelevant; it's Filoni who fucked DisneyWars
everything he touches becomes a retarded continuation of his clonewars fanfiction

>>63845075
>TFA
Mike literally said it was everything he wanted
>R1
Somehow it's blatant nostalgia pandering (but TFA wasnt?)
>JJ and Pegg irrelevant
Nope. Watch Nerdonymous's "Star Wars Apocrypha" videos on youtube. JJ was the person who got George's sequel trilogy story outline thrown out in favor of his bullshit mystery boxes when he pushed Michael Arndt out. Pegg is tangential to this, but is clearly good friends with JJ and hates George's ideas (see Spaced and his numerous prequel bashing interviews during TFA promotion).
>Filoni
Yes, another retard who fucked up Star Wars after being given way too much leeway.

>>63845632
>Somehow it's blatant nostalgia pandering (but TFA wasnt?)
Plinkett better hope he doesn't meet me down a dark alley
thanks for the eli5

>>63845658
>eli5
Please don't use that gay reddit language here ever again, thanks anon.

>>63846921
I can't be arsed to keep updated with the wrongspeak du jour

>>63843989
>The only good stuff to come from the Disney era is Rogue One
Feeling daring today aren't we.

>>63845632
It is still baffling to me. You had Disney, who owned Marvel, now owning the single biggest sci fi frachise of all fucking time. They, again, literally fucking owned Marvel and had seen them meticulously plan out all the movies. And so when it comes time to make their Star Wars TM movies, what do they do? Go in with no concrete idea of the story. Fuck it, Abrams can shit out a minefield of plot mystery boxes. Scatter enough of them in the ground and eventually we'll walk over enough to make a solid trilogy. Plot twist, the guy making the 2nd movie fucked up whatever plans so hard that the third movie is basically just a TVTropes list.

How in the fuck do you go into making a movie series as big as Star Wars and not have ANY sort of barebones "ok so the general plot is X across all 3 movies?" You can say what you want about Lucas but he was not up the night before Revenge of the Sith started filming throwing out half the script and typing a new one where fucking Nute Gunray is actually the super emperor with a fleet of emperor class trade federation lucrehulks. Seriously why did they even move forward on production if they hadnt sat down with the writers enough to know what the plan was?
>In a weird way it almost reminds me of Russia in Ukraine where their initial idea ran out of steam and it turns out no one really had any backup plan or general strategy for what to do. Disney almost singlehandedly killed one of the greatest media franchises of the modern era through greed and outright baffling incompetence.

>>63851156
Marvel has two great advantages DisneyWars doesn't: zero fan expectations, and a comic background rather than a movie background.
this means that they could vastly warp the story to fit the movie, and they did. the MCU movies and characters actually bear very little resemblance to the comics, and fans are generally okay with this because the comic storylines are so fucking huge that nobody expects a faithful adaptation. besides, comic adaptations have always gone their own path, and within comics itself continuity is all kinds of fucked up. (Iron Man for example has been a vaguely 30ish fella for SIXTY YEARS.)
DisneyWars suffers from not having that excuse. the OT and even the PT are there as direct comparisons to benchmark against. fans can say, "Star Wars is a much simpler story that Lucas could tell in a trilogy, don't tell me you can't manage that", whereas Marvel fans are way more forgiving that, for example, Civil War didn't involve literal HUNDREDS of named characters from across the entirety of the Marvel comic franchise.
(picrel is a mere fraction of the event)

also, Marvel basically cornered all the good writers, actors and production staff in Hollywood. that's why DC and Disney both struggle to follow in its success. the MCU only started shitting the bed when studio execs - with Feige as their spokesman - increased their meddling with directors and writers. talent matters.

lastly, DisneyWars from the start had intense studio control via Kennedy and fucking Filoni. they dictated the direction in a way that Marvel didn't (until 2015, after which Marvel jumped the rails too). passion matters also.
it's not coincidence that the only good DisneyWars media comes from people who were passionate about the old Lucas-style Star Wars and not about either writing their fanfiction or taking over a male-dominated franchise to push their "God Is Female" expy, i.e. Jon Favreau and Gareth Edwards.

>>63800401 (OP)
Bump

>>63850220
Rewatch it, it's pretty good.

>>63851156
>Plot twist, the guy making the 2nd movie fucked up whatever plans so hard that the third movie is basically just a TVTropes list.
The most baffling thing of all is that right up until the release (and subsequent savaging of TLJ by fans), JJ said multiple times that he loved Rian's script and was fully on board with it. Like, to the point that one of JJ's friends told the media that JJ was jealous and said he wished he had written that script, it was so good. Only after TLJ cane out and people hated it did he and Disney change their tune and throw Rian under the bus.
>Seriously why did they even move forward on production if they hadnt sat down with the writers enough to know what the plan was?
Because Disney mandated having a movie out in a time frame of 3 years after the acquisition so they could make a return on their 4.5 Billion dollar investment, JJ threw out pretty much everything George came up with in his story treatments that Michael Ardnt was going off of (or changed it to make it a mystery box like Rey's parentage), and Disney couldn't replace JJ as director for his bullshit because they had a hard enough time finding anyone who wanted to direct it in the first place. Even JJ turned down the job multiple times before finally agreeing. So in order to meet their timetable, they were stuck with JJ even when he was basically sabotaging the production because he didn't like what George did with the prequels and thought he knew Star Wars better. Sure Disney made their money back, but I wonder if they still think it was worth it.

>>63856193
>Only after TLJ cane out and people hated it did he and Disney change their tune and throw Rian under the bus
wrong
it was only after TROS came out, was utter dogshit, and Disney had reaped their profits that people were allowed to say TLJ was bad. and even then the process was gradual and took year
until then they stuck to their guns that we were watching Oscar material and accused everyone who said otherwise of being sexist
today of course, we had always been at war with Eastasia and TLJ had always been bad

that was my first brush with the inequality of modern feminism
I left sites that I'd been on for decades over TLJ
to this day I feel a quiet pleasure that DisneyWars gets the hate it does
no, I will never forgive them this

>>63844092
RLM has always been far too kind and tolerant of shitty Star wars media. Prequelfags not only deserve the bullying they got, they actually deserved far more.

>>63857324
Found the Gen Xer. Did George Lucas rape your childhood as well?

>>63856193
Disney wanted JJ's bullshit because he's literally "nostalgia: the director." And do you really think Disney would be okay with anyone talking shit about their production or any of their employees risk their careers criticizing it?

>>63861290
Disney had many indications that they were going to go with Lucas's story treatments and worked on it for a year of preproduction, then JJ ousted Arndt and threw out all of that work to start the script from scratch, now with Kasdan helping out. Do you seriously think Disney was happy about a whole years worth of work being thrown out for a movie they wanted in theaters ASAP? Or do you think they gritted their teeth because all the other directors they tried to hire said no?
There's a difference between being nice for the press and fellating. TFA had enough positive reception at the time that fellating Rian wasn't necessary, JJ just felt like doing it. And when TLJ came out and fans hated it, JJ turned right around around scapegoated Rian. Also keep in mind that JJ was executive producer of TLJ and confirmed to be working on the TLJ story with Rian. All evidence points squarely to JJ loving Rian's script until doing a 180 when fans hated it, because he still had to be in charge of tRoS.
>TLJ was awful you say? No no, don't blame JJ. JJ made the first movie that you all loved. TLJ was a mess because of the evil Rian Johnson "subverting your expectations" (even though JJ was the executive producer and worked directly with Rian on the script). Please buy tickets to tRoS, directed by the beloved JJ Abrams, who will surely right the wrongs of TLJ!

>>63861252
Lmao the perennial prequel nigger in the woodpile slithers out again.
Back to the locker with you.

>>63861485
Sounds like I struck a nerve. I hope JJ gave you everything you wanted :^)

>>63862498
>Bad movies came out later which magically transform my movies into being good!
Ah my favorite prequel nigger argument, the "grading on a curve" chestnut.

>>63800500
>>63813608
At no point in the OT does anyone refer to star destroyer weapons as 'turbolasers', even the handguns are blasters.

The usage of the word 'laser' might be an in-universe technically inaccurate colloquialism. Star Wars isn't big on pretend-science nerd speak

>>63864667
There's nothing wrong with making a cool space setting where everything's the approximate scale of WW2 weapons with big ships fighting from a few miles apart and struggling to shoot down subsonic aircraft with guns that shoot puffs of fire instead of bullets but point out that's what's on screen and the """fans""" who skulk around the internet talking about nuclear explosions react like you were the one who diddled Carrie Fisher.

>>63866596
...the fans high five you and ask you how good it was and whether they could sniff your fingers?

>>63863650
Prequels are good, you just are a midwit.

>>63867344
Liking the prequels is the definition of midwittery, cavemen (sand line dumb. Council scene dumb. Padme dumb) and the shrewd (the prequels are vapid, full of logical problems, overwrought, childish, and have the tone of a brick in a clothes dryer) agree that the prequels suck.

>>63800401 (OP)
Galactic Empire < Japan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vV0x4XHdbyc

>>63869676
I’m assuming you’re on the caveman spectrum.

>>63867344
>Prequels are good
Prequels have good moments, as a whole they're a boring mess. Better than the Disney shit, but still not quality movies.

>>63869705
>prequels are boring
>le ebin reddit Andor is le best muh slow burn

>>63800401 (OP)
"Lieutenant? Fire a salvo of torpedos at them, engage ramming speed, brace for impact and ready the boarding pods."

>build a light saber, but much bigger, point it at the approaching ship

>>63800401 (OP)
Clearly no match for the Lexx and its crew - a plucky security guard (class four), a love slave, an undead former assassin, and a love-crazed robot head.

Did the Mon Calamari ever build a ship that could take on an Imperial-class Star Destroyer and win? Were there ANY other alternative shipyards which could build these super capital ships?

>>63869724
I said the opposite you unstoppable fucking faggot