Thread 64001447

Why the fuck are winchester small pistol and rifle primer sleeves almost identical Edition
It is once again Friday homies, post ya loads
got 75 rounds of 5.56 loaded up with RMR 75gr, 25 each of CFE223, varget and N540
ended up using 30 small pistol primers before i realized so all 25 of the CFE loads have them and the first 5 of the N540 loads, fingers crossed it doesnt cause any issues

Got 50 rounds of 458 win mag made up this week, the savings even on the first load with this brass was substantial

>>64001447 (OP)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yNNb9V2cPk

tl;dr: You're probably gonna blow a primer.

>>64001447 (OP)
I mean they pretty much are the same thing, IIRC you can use SRPs as SPP replacements in some loads. For SMPs you can use them for just about any load, although you may have light strike issues depending on the gun.
>im too lazy to buy small magnum primers for loading .357

As a Californian, would it be worth it to reload 2K+ once fired winchester AA hulls? I dont have a shell press, wads, 209 primers or lead shot.

>>64001763
I also dont have smokeless powder:/

….want to reload 44 mag…. No where around me has LMPP…. Life is pain..

>>64001475
The big stuff is like that…. Compared to buying 444 marlin… loading it feels like a cheat code

>>64001763
You'd legit be better served saving that money and using it to move out of the state.

>>64001825
I nearly paid for the press with just this first loading, the second round will do it.

>>64001825
it's really sad to say 20rds of 7x57 cost 53$
or that 50rds of .44mag will set you back nearly 70

>>64001842
I crunch the numbers every year and moving would just result in me losing money, and that is dependenton if a job in my field is available in a low cost of living area. I love guns but I need to save for retirement, I cant have both unfortunately.

>>64001859
Anytime the box size is “20rds” and that’s the only option….

Glad I reload 500 and 454… couldn’t afford to shoot them much otherwise…

>>64001763

A Lee shotgun press is like $80. Powder is about $50 a pound, primers about $80 for 1k, shot is cheap af and you can get it off Amazon for $30 for 4 pounds of #7.5. So for about $250 you can load at least 1k shells. Birdshot is about $10 a box here in CA before the 21% Bonta-fucks-you tax and $5 ammo fee, so roughly $500 for 1k loaded shotshells. Doing the math you'll save a fuckton of money, but you'll pay for it in time because you'll be cranking that press all day. Well, at least if you're not at Turners where the boomers monopolize the sole gun clerk with shitty boomer stories while there's 20+ people in line behind them to buy ammo.

tl;dr: You'll save a lot of money but unless you're buying shotshells from fucking Turners it'll take a lot more time.

Almost forgot to add wads in, but those are like $13 for 500. Not even a real expense.

>>64002917
>>64002938
Hmmmmm
It doesn't seem too bad, two flats of Rio 7/8oz 1350 fps is already almost $250 for 500 rounds, and a youtube video showed a guy cranking out 25 shells in less than 30 minutes. So about 2.5 hours a week gets me 5 rounds of trap or about 3 to 4 hours of practice per weekend. I think it would be worth my time to reload, either spread out over the week or in one go in the morning before I go shooting. Thank you anon, I'll prolly grab a press here soon.

I butchered ~50 rusty shotgun shells and saved the powder in a jar, thinking about using 3-4 grains of it behind a 158gr lrn and shoot them in my .357 Magnum.

>>64002960

Getting your press set up and dialed in with your specific powder charge data is going to take a while, think hours to get it all worked up. That guy is probably both very experienced and has his charge data all dialed in already. My experience with pistol handloading is that you'll never find the exact powder you're looking for locally (again fuck Turners boomers hoarding every kind of powder/primers, never using it ever since they're always chatting at the gun counter instead of shooting/loading, then having their retarded libtard zoomer kids throwing away literally hundreds of pounds of scarce powder when they die) and will need to resort to a digital scale to get the charges right using alternate powders/Hodgdon website powder data. I use a Frankford Arsenal scale and a Lee powder dipper set, but am going to get some static-free microdose supplement scoopers soon so I can really dial in my charges.

That said, if it's a static-free plastic scoop, you can use it for smokeless powder right? The Lee dippers don't look much different than all the cheap Amazon ones, which get much finer measurements.

>>64003019

>unknown powder
>just shoving grains of it into pistol cases
>expecting to keep your fingers

>>64001819
You don't necessarily need magnum primers. They're ideal, but non magnum primers will work too.

>>64003413
I’ve got about 150 rounds left before I have to resort to desperate measures….

Got 300+ 150gr .451 bullets
No clue what my cartridge length will be, but I'm thinking 5 grains of Titegroup should be good.

Bump

Bump for static-free plastic microspoon question.

>>64003041
>>64005442
If it's advertised as antistatic you should be good, you can test them by sprinkling some Styrofoam crumbs on them and see if they stick on really hard.

>>64002960
Hey Anon, got a bunch of shotgun reloading shit I have no interest in keeping as part of a bulk deal, including a lee press, giant bag of wads, couple ketchup bottles full of lead shot, and I'm pretty sure a bunch of empties. Would happily ship to a fellow /k/ommando for a steal if you’re interested, can get photos together

>>64005803

Sounds good. I can get a whole handful of those little spoons in different sizes for under $10, will help dial in my loads better than the trickler which takes forever and spills powder around at the first bump to the table.

>>64005442
I learned a trick from a powder materials chemist that running part of an object under a sink kills the static charge buildup.

>>64007982

Interesting, like run the handle of the spoon under water and the rest will be static free. Problem is getting it dry to prevent any water from getting in the powder later but without building up static from rubbing; maybe pat it dry on a paper towel?

Anyone have any experience with enforcer in 357? I’ve got some mystery 125gn jhp bullets that I’m gonna try.. from Hodgesons online database it seems like they get the 125 gn Barnes and xtp bullets up to 1500-1700 on it… which seems optimistic, but I’m game for trying it….

>>64007950
I have one of these and it works terrible, crushed primers, upside down primers, failures to feed.
had I not broke one of the arms on my lee single stage trying to swage .338 bullets down to .329 I probably would have kept it screwed to a board for priming, maybe I can order a replacement piece.

>>64010615

Ironically I've been using a Lee priming tool and have none of those issues. That said some priming tools have certain brands of primers the manual literally tells you NOT to use or you risk severe bodily injury. The Lee manual mentions one, for example.

>>64011098
>>64010615
Have the Lee, both the handheld and base mounted version, have tried both the priming tube on an RCBS single stage, and the handheld RCBS primers. And no longer use any of them. The Forster is worth every last penny.

>>64009891
It's going to be optimistic for sure.
It's really difficult to get light bullets to move quickly with a slow powder unless your barrel is unusually long. Used both Enforcer and AA4100, which are alleged to be the same thing. It's a better in larger cartridges.
They are close in practice to H110/296.

>>64010615
>crushed primers
I've had that on brass with too heavy of a crimp. So yes.
>upside down primers, failures to feed
You should be checking that every Primer is good before seating. That's on you.

>>64011559
>It's really difficult to get light bullets to move quickly with a slow powder unless your barrel is unusually long.
Gotta load pretty hard or else it goes both slow and inconsistent.

>>64012479
Loading heavy doesn't fix it from a short barrel, even if the ES is small. 100fps slower than alleged from several different guns isn't unusual.
The slower powders turn in much more expected results with heavier bullets.

Can someone explain shoulder bump to me. I understand what it is, but I’ve been resizing some once fired .308 brass and where I have the die set, the case body and neck resizes but the shoulders don’t move at all. Headspace when measured is also smaller than minimum SAAMI spec, so is it just a case of the factory brass being quite undersized and it will take a few fireings before bumping the shoulder is actually necessary/possible?

>>64006057
hell yeah. How can I reach you?

>>64011559
I originally got the enforcer I have for 454 casull. It’s been my go to for that with 240gn Hornady xtp rounds for accurate consistent rounds.. h110 is more fun for pure loud boom and power though…. 1500-1700 definitely seems optimistic,

>>64013382
Nta, but i've got a can of blue dot and one of green dot and never used either, sometimes you just buy powder you cant use for anything until you need it, thing is I haven't seen either in stores since 2018.

>>64014787
Somewhere out there someone got like an 8 pound jug of bullseye that they bought under that philosophy..

>>64014990

Sounds like me buying an extra pound of Autocomp because it was available. It's not ideal for my mild 9mm loads but it's around when nothing else is.

>>64014999
I have a half jug of autocomp that I’m probably just gonna use in 45 acp, that I kinda want to test in 10mm auto..

>>64015089

Hodgdon has some load data for Autocomp in 10mm. Seems fairly mild IIRC, like 900 fps range.

>>64015102
After running 135 gn jhps on 11 gns of power pistol and getting 1560 fps out of a 4.6 in m&p I could go for something a touch more mild…

>>64015237

Jesus that's Underwood tier energy. Did you shoot gelatin with that?

>>64015298
No. And while I did put a heavier spring in the m&p it still cycled hard. As much as it’s fun to shoot that, I think I’m pushing my luck for oomph on those. I loaded and shot 200 all on brand new brass.. i don’t think I’ll be reloading it that hot again.. I do have a bunch of those bullets, and honestly if I back it down to around 1450-1400 fps I think it’ll be a lot more consistent and less kicky.. I think underwood’s are at 1600 fps, but I don’t know what they test it out of… if it’s out of a 1911 with a 5 inch barrel, then I’d bet I’m closer to that than it looks for the 40 fps velocity difference. Were both using 135gn nosler jhps.

>>64001763
yes because thats 2k rounds of ammo that isnt registered to your name like if you had bought it at the store like a cuck

>>64015476

Ow. And I thought shooting those shitty flashbang-worthy Magtechs out of my Glock 20SF was a handful. Palm of my hand started getting numb after about a box and a half of that shit, and the 2-3 stovepipes didn't help.

>>64004504
>>64003936
what is the purpose of such stubby light 45 bullets

>>64012633
if your sizing die is a full length die it is bumping the shoulder down for you. if you have a neck size die only it isnt touching the shoulder. the shoulder expands forward in bottleneck cartridges because the chambers and headspace are usually bigger than the spec to allow for some tolerance for fouling or because of wear. your shoulders are getting bumped you just arent noticiign or paying attention. or your rifle chamber is so tight and undersized. or your loads are so comically light that the brass doesnt even expand

>>64015515

Looks like CAS match fodder with mild charges.

>>64014999
>>64014990
how long does powder last if you keep it sealed and stored in a normal place thats dark, 50-80 degrees F year round maximum range, with average to low humidity around like 50-60%

>>64015532

Not sure. I've only been reloading for maybe a year or two. Live in a somewhat humider spot but I keep all my containers sealed, and inside a sealed plastic box as well for good measure.

>>64013000
^email

>>64014999
>>64014990
how long does powder last if you keep it sealed and stored in a normal place thats dark, 50-80 degrees F year round maximum range, with average to low humidity around like 50-60%

>>64016094
I’ve got some powder from estate sales that is probably 20 years old… old enough to be stored in a metal tin with a screw on lid.. it still performs to speck.. but I also live in a desert… so our relative humidity is in the low single digits….

>>64015526
It’s a full length die I’m using and I’m measuring the headspace pre/post sizing just not seeing a difference. The rounds chamber fine so I guess it’s fine.

>>64014787
I burned up my only # of Blue Dot in 357 and mid 44 loads.
I really liked it in 357 with 110 and 125gr bullets.(they tell you not to do this anymore and refuse to elaborate)

>>64003413
Most my .357 mag loads are spp. 2400 is nice like that

>>64016481
I was told that was from psi testing vs cup.. if you cup test blue dot undrr 125 gn bullets at common loadings it looks ok. If you psi test it then you find out it’s apparently really really close to a pretty significant spike in pressure…. From a liability perspective most loading manuals assume your gonna push the envelope and put in some margin of safety… blue dot in that load turned out to have significantly less.

>>64016135
Please…. On that note can we return to 9.99$ pounds of imr 4227 in metal tins?….

>>64019428
Forgot pic

>>64011157
looks interesting, I have the lee bench primer mounted to a board and love it, but for someone who doesn't already have all the special lee shell holders seems like a nobrainer. Plus I always worry about the plastic in the lee, seems like you might get a faceful of plastic bits if a primer got squished wrong. I have had a few land 90 degrees sideways but never squished any enough to detonate.

>>64019428
same here anon, my grandpa gave my dad his ruger .44 semi auto carbine, the winchester jfps were 23$ and were purchased in probably 2003. I just don't believe money has any value anymore, at least i've got like 33 guns and 4 cars. No one president has had the balls to accept that the us has been in a recession since 2008 and propped up by fiat currency and weighted debt for fear of being labeled a recession president
>>64019029
that's what I remember being the problem, the pressure spike. probably less of a problem with Rugers

>>64019474
Someone probably stuck one in one of the air weight snub noses…..

>>64019439
Once you get the hang of adjusting the 3 holding tabs it’s pretty straight forward.. I use it on everything from 38 special up to 500 mag. You do have to swap pistons for large or small primers, but it’s a single metal set screw to do so.. the only part that’s a little fiddly is sticking the full tube of primers into it without spilling them… that’s why it’s on a wood base…. Easier to just flip it over and put it on the tube than the other way around..

Hey guys, I got a possibly retarded question for ya.
Local boomer is getting out of competition, and is willing to sell me some berry's .38 super bullets. I don't have anything in .38 Super, just .38 special and 9mm luger. Seeing as the bullets are in the 9mm diameter range, would these be OK to use as a general purpose bullet for reloading my 9mm and .38 special?
>Bullets are pic related

>>64019558
Never messed with them. 9mm is usually .355, 357 mag is…. .357…. My guess would be that at .356 you can probably get away with using them for either but they won’t do as well…. Might try getting a Lee bullet sizing die in .355. That’s close enough you could squeeze them down.. again, I’ve never messed with them, but that’s my gut guess.

I recently got into trap shooting and reloaded my own ammo. It worked great (12ga cheddite hulls and primers, titegroup, wad, 7/8oz 7.5 shot roll crimp)

I loaded up another batch and the only thing that changed was using winchester .209 primers but half my rounds did not fire except the primers and all the shit shot out the barrel in slomo. wtf is happening? same recipe worked perfect first time but not the second? only thing that changed was the primer from cheddit to winchester

Also: wot getting a lee load all or $$MEC 600 press? I just have an RCBS 12ga kit for my single stage press and a roll crimp tool as well that works decently.

I shoot an old Parker Bros. SxS

>>64019918
>half my rounds did not fire except the primers and all the shit shot out the barrel in slomo.
For clarity, did the other of half your rounds fire successfully or did they not fire at all?
Did you cut some of them open after an hour and looked at the powder or primer? It almost sounds like your powder has moisture in it.

>>64019952
I fired all my rounds (5 boxes) and used the hulls to reload those boxes plus 2 more. Those reloads were what were misfiring. Just the primer was firing the loads. The powder did not ignite. I store rounds in either plastic shotgun boxes or reused cardboard shotshell boxes placed in water tight ammo cans filled with silicon packs for moisture control. The reloads all used the exact same bottle of titegroup powder. It's odd.

>>64019558
Yeah they're fine for either 9mm or .38

>>64019558
Yes.
While "357" and "38" bullets are actually .357", the bores in the guns are 9mm dimension. .346" lands, .355-.356" grooves.
If your gun was to slug at an actual .357" then it would be pretty sloppy.

Bump

>>64019918
Shotshell loading is both simple and complicated.
The simple part you already know: insert powder, wad, & shot into the hull and crimp. The complicated part is how all the components interact. Hulls and wads are not universally compatible, if you use the wrong wad with the wrong hull then they won't seal properly and you'll get inconsistent ignition. Primers matter a lot too.

What exact hulls and wads did you use? Be specific.

I highly recommend shotshell reloaders to get the "Advantages" manual from BPI, as it will save you a lot of hassle screwing around with loads that are unreliable or don't pattern well.

>>64019918
>wtf is happening?
Incomplete powder combustion. There's lots of possible causes: wrong powder, mismatch between the wad and the hull, not enough tension in the crimp, wrong size wad for the amount of shot you're using, etc. Without knowing exactly what components you used we can only guess.

>>64024603
>>64024424

Okay thanks for the feedback. I must have something to do with crimp tension or the winchester vs cheddite primers

(12ga cheddite hulls and primers, 15gr titegroup, CB0178 wad, 7/8oz lead 7 1/2 shot, roll and later star crimp)

The first batch performed amazing and I was getting 20/25 on all the round my first time shooting trap. Second batch I experimented with star crimping some boxes and also using the winchester primers. That's when the 50% misfires happened. Powder must not have been compressed properly and the primer may need to be hotter or checked.

I reload difficult rounds like .577/.450 Martini, .577 Snider and 8mm Kropatschek so I though this should be easy compared.

I just bought a lee load all at aution yesterday so maybe my production quality will improve

>>64026827
Shotshell loading is difficult because of the powder charges, space in the shell for wad compression during ignition and shot charge. Nevermind the pressure standard that you need to attain to not nuke Cletus's worn out hardware store single shot.

Anyway any idea how I can kludge together some .43 mauser for a 71/84? I've got .45/90 cases, Imr 4198, a weird hollow base .43 cal bullet and the vauge idea to use the neck of a cartridge to headspace the modified case

>>64026827
>>64026881
Part of the problem, which nobody ever tells you except for the Advantages manual, is that wads and hulls have different internal shapes and they need to match. Some hulls have straight parallel walls. Others are slightly tapered where the hull is thicker near the case head and thinner near the mouth, sort of a "funnel" shape though not that extreme. These hulls need different wads to perform properly. If you try and use a tapered style of wad in a straight-walled hull that can give the problems you mentioned. The CB0178 wad is good for 7/8oz clay loads but it wants a tapered hull. Cheddite hulls are straight-walled. I think this could be the main source of your problem. Try switching to a wad that works with straight-wall cases if you want to use Cheddite hulls, or use tapered hulls like Remington or Winchester with those CB0178 wads.

What others fun things can i do with 209 primers besides reload shotshells?

>>64030792
Stick em in hollowpoints

>>64001447 (OP)
>Get 300BLK from the sto'
>Its absolute dogshit, causes endcap strikes on my suppressor,

>>64030792
stick 'em in the peehole

>>64030792

Inline muzzleloaders usually use these instead of normal percussion caps. Give it a shot.

>>64031322
>modern muzzle loaders

>>64030944
what brand? not likely I'd ever buy loaded ammo in that caliber, just curious.

>>64030792
put them in cap guns, hammer them, use them as pimp top hats for your monacle wearing lego men

>>64019918
>>64019988
Very odd anon. Primer firing and power not igniting is a very, very strange phenomenon but I'd pinpoint the primers as faulty, which is by itself a very strange issue if everything was stored properly. Titegroup should be fine if maybe kind of slow burning for 7/8oz. Another thing I could think of is that you make the closure so sloppy and loose that there is not any resistance for the combustion to build up but really, you should, like, not close the cartridge at all

>>64026827
Try to use euro wads for euro hulls, since they fit way better as these anons >>64024424 >>64028394 pointed out.

>t. shotshell reloader, italy

>>64032662
>Italian
Have you been to the Beretta museum?

Well…. Not as hot as I expected.. the online data for 125 gn copper jacketed 357 on enforcer was expecting between 1450-1650 fps.. but to be honest these felt plenty hot when shooting… debating going full bubba and loading hotter… but I think I might just bulk load the 200 or so of these I have and maybe order a box of the Hornady 125gn xtp bullets to see if i can get the reported velocities with the correct bullet. Every range day is a good day.

They make pellet cannons that shoot using 209 primers

>>64036508
thats adorable i want one

>>64036508
>>64036508
i have never seen this before whas the speed a pellet flies out of a primer only charge?

>>64033605
nah, it's up northern Italy and I do believe that it isn't worth the trip just by itself.
If somehow I'll find myself nearby there, I guess I can spend the time.
But IMHO beretta it is NOT the most interesting manufacturer out there worth paying a visit to their production. Sure, it's the oldest, but their designs are extremely repetitive over time with little innovation. This is my only Beretta gun and took it just because it is kind "out of the box" in design and action, while not the most beautful to look at.
And better not start talking about shotguns, it is even worse there.

>>64036508
awesome.
And that reminds me, I remember reading about people making micro-shotgun cartridges from #209 primers. They would insert the primer into the end of a a short plastic straw, which was then filled with a little bit of very fine shot. This made a tiny rimmed cartridge since the rim of the #209's cup would stick out beyond the straw. I tried finding pics but Nu-Google is being retarded.

>>64037162
What is worth visiting in your area? Im supposed to go to either Barcelona or Rome this winter for Christmas.

>>64037688
>209 primers
>Red Straws
Now i have a fun thing to make out of all my spent primers.

>>64040211
Forgot my pic

Pic related finally came in.
Pretty excited to use it soon.

>>64039870
>Rome
In winter, Italian cities are a tad better since at least you won't be steam cooked by the moist high temperatures there. There is a lot of tourism in Rome but basically it is about the ancient city parts, the monuments and churches tied to the millennials history. Near christmas there are a lot of events and fuckloads of people everywhere is crowded events are your thing. Be aware that Rome is one of the most visited cities in the world so the tourist scamming machine is hot, running and well lubed to steamroll your moneys. A lot of pickpocketers and beggars, etc. as you may understand. Food and lifestyle is good but always tourist traps are everywhere, use phone apps to check out your places.

>>64039870
>What is worth visiting

>>64042439
What the hell is going on in this photo?

>>64045564
Italian gnomes testing novelty lighters,
Source: (I dated an Italian descent scene girl in highschool and she was about as dependable for anything other than drama, much like their cars)

>>64045564
There's a tradition in parts of Germany and northern Italy where people fire off giant guns just to make noise. It's a holiday celebration thing. Picrel is the German version.

>>64047347
From what I can tell the idea is to get completely plotzed drunk and then fire off comically oversized muzzleloaders for shits and grins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix425tc1jks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9GX4y9Evnw

The German ones are called "handböller" and the Italian are "trombini"

>>64047347
>>64047358
>get sloppy drunk
>shoot big ass comic book joker guns
Alpine Euros really are gnomes

genuinely do not enjoy shooting tula or wolf ammo. its not worth it i would say.

>>64048833
Well if you wanna roll your own rounds and eventually get the cost down you've come to the right place.

So guys, I wanna make a highspeed #4 buckshot load, if i load based on weight, would a recipe for a 7/8oz (about 25 grams) skeet load at 1300 fps still carry over? I'm also gonna use my regular skeet wads and just load them in those.
What are your thoughts?

>missed out on the 6.5 Epstein brass
damn

>>64051372
Weight is the key variable, yeah, so if you keep your buckshot load the same weight you can use the same powder and wad. You should expect the same pressure and velocity as the skeet load. That said, some skeet wads are designed to create a lot of spread, I don't know what you're going after or what wads you have exactly but it's something you might want to keep in mind.

IMHO 1300 fps is a reasonable speed for a buckshot load. I don't think it's worth loading any faster than that. Spherical shot has terrible ballistics so even if you punish your shoulder with a really high muzzle velocity, the velocity thirty yards downrange isn't much better.

>>64051564
I don't get it. WTF is the connection between Epstein and 6.5?

>>64051564
>>64052273
>I don't get it. WTF is the connection between Epstein and 6.5?
Nothing from what I can gather
But now I wonder what kind of round would 6.5 Epstein be?

>>64052181
I wanted a good speed and shot size that would dump energy if it hits a wall so I don't worry about shooting into the next house.

Bump

Finally got a lee load all

>>64060600
Post pics

Guess I’m gonna load some 357..

>>64054605
>But now I wonder what kind of round would 6.5 Epstein be?
A very expensive specialized small game cartridge with pronounced taper, with the "base being larger than the tip". Rimmed.

anybody tried the 300wm Peterson long brass?

Loaded some 45 colt Ruger only loads the other day

225 grain Barnes xpb bullet
24 grains H110
Winchester WLP primer

Averaging 1672fps from my 20in Henry. I think the minimum velocity for expansion is around 950fps so this should be a pretty good hunting round out to 150 yards. The drop gets kinda silly after 100 yards though...

>>64060668
Got the Deluxe Perfect Penis Measure too. I Don't trust the charge bars. I think I've become too invested in the game of Trap.

>>64064819
I hated my load all, the trash goblin I am I found a display model mec 600jr for scratch and dent prices and it's leagues better

>>64064894
Nice find! I was debating if I should splurge but the load all and ppm won out because free shipping at the time. If they last about 2500 rounds of 7/8 oz trap loads then I should have made my money back.

>>64064933
Deals are everywhere, except goodwill by the pound outlets, resellers ruined those. Digging in the trash and the scrapyards has yeilded me many many good finds.

>>64064951
Estate auctions.
Got my P-W 800b for the same price as a new LoadAll.

>>64064951
I never tried dumpster diving near a gun store, just the local grocery. I do pick up all my hulls from the trap club, nice once fired Winchester AAs.

>>64064976
Choice! Man, I also get a shit ton of brass and lead from a scrapyard I go to, and all it takes is some politeness and I pay by the pound for every case, wheel weight, lead pipe, and lead roof flashing.
Also idiots throw tools in the scrap piles.