Thread 64121618

Do euro nations have contingencies in the unlikely scenario that one of their neighbours (both EU and NATO member) goes commando and tries to attack them? Or do they just trust each other after 80 years of pax americana?

Hopefully it involves bombing S*rbs

>>64121618 (OP)
More important matter is that Euro nations should have plans to support potential future allies, as Ukraine has shown. That is: there should be enough spare materiel stockpiled(spare artillery, tanks, even fucking planes) that your potential ally/allies should be able to easily win any war if you immediately start to supply them, at least in Europe(winning against China would be a bit of a tall order).

>>64121618 (OP)
France probably does
Germany almost certainly doesn't
Poland is THIS close to mining the oder bridges

>>64121618 (OP)
yes, the contingency is called the EU and NATO.

More factual: none of us have the military budget like the US has to afford dedicating entire teams of wargaming nerds to produce contingencies like "what if Chad suddenly goes nuts, somehow hijacks hundreds of freighters, and invades the continental US?"

"Why worry?"

>>64121671
Germany took a decade to decide on which hat to wear. One day they will decide if they want it or not.

>>64121679
>yes, the contingency is called the EU and NATO.
It isn't THOUGH
EU and NATO mutual defense clauses do not apply if the aggressor comes from within the alliance.

>>64121686
Yes they do.

>>64121618 (OP)
Greece vs Turkey would by far be the most likely chimpout

>>64121686
Please point out in the treaty where it says that.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/official_texts_17120.htm

>>64121618 (OP)
also are there any contingencies btw. if a country were to have a civil war?
like AFAIK it wouldn't trigger NATO but maybe there is some other stuff?

asking for a friend btw.

>>64121707
I wonder how Greeks will react when the inevitable Israeli chimpout happens.

>>64121707
Greeks and Turks are armed because Greece and Turkey. Anything else is incidental.

>>64121707
nothing finna happen dougbite

>UK
Nuclear submarines
>EU
They probably have an extra big dildo to sit on

>>64121618 (OP)
It's too late desu, Ukr were only ones that would be needed for. Unless Russians want winter war 2.0.

>>64121707
it's an easy match up tough
Greece is NATO and EU
Turkey is NATO but not EU
so the EU countries back Greece if attacked and the non EU NATO countries stay out of it and try to get a ceasefire

>>64121633
Wholesome fun for the whole family!

>>64121834
I doubt it has crossed their minds with how stable things have been through the coldwar.

Whenever you think about a military scenario involving European countries, remember this list

France and UK have nukes, so their response is 'fuck off or we'll nuke you'. There was an old joke in the UK
>Do you know why we have nukes?
>Because of the Soviets?
>No. Because of France.

>>64121895
not as easy as you think. greece may be more european culturally and socially, but turkey has a much stronger economy and close ties to many nations when it comes to numerous enterprises. especially now they're growing fat over the skyrocketing demand of drones in european militaries.

for fuck sake, we don't have contigencies against our actual enemies, let alone our friends

>>64121918
>implying an older country would never go to war
oh you silly billy, war is not about meatwaves like for you turd worlders. one man can control enough firepower to kill millions, and that's without even considering nukes.

Afaik the only real 'threats' in Europe are Spain invading Gibraltar, Turkey invading the rest of Cyprus and Cyprus/Turkey invading the British territories in Cyprus. The rest is very much 'who cares' tier. I guess Morocco has an issue with Ceuta but w/e.

>>64121934
Spain wouldn't invade Gibraltar, that would require spending money.

>>64121942
Gibraltar is so lightly defended they could do it within about 3 days with their mountain divisions. The UK is also so cucked that Labour would probably just give it to them. It's not a case of 'would Spain win a war with the UK' it's a case of 'would the UK even try?' and they're too busy trying to control and suppress their population than caring about 'foreign events'.

>>64121918
so?
i think high media age actually has the opposite effect
we all know the way boomers act

>>64121946
argies also gambled on the british's apathy in parliament, and look what they got. tbf thatcher basically sacrificed what was left of britain's world hegemony to win over those meaningless rocks.

>>64121953
> tbf thatcher basically sacrificed what was left of britain's world hegemony to win over those meaningless rocks.
i do not believe you

qrd?

>>64121955
both britain and argentina faced serious social unrest at the time, and the falklands were the perfect red herring for the dumb masses to cling on while ignoring their societal issues. on one hand, the argentinian junta wanted a quick conquest to bolster support, on the other, thatcher used this invasion as the perfect excuse to make people forget about her predatory reforms and mass privatizations. this came at a cost however. the argentinian navy barely exists as an institution, while the british one suffered from further stagnancy and labor budgets cuts.

>>64121933
>war is not about meatwaves like for you turd worlders. one man can control enough firepower to kill millions,

Weird take anon, if this was true Europeans would win in SAHEL and Afghanistan. But they got kicked in the ass.

>>64121618 (OP)
If Swedes cross the sound by foot (if it freezes over) we can legally beat them to death with sticks.

>>64121987
> Tecumseh
ajo
do americans reall?

>>64121994
jej
at first I thought you were memeing
then I memeberd that this is the way chinks and indians fight inside their DMZ too
so i choose to believe its true

>>64122019
It's one of those laws that were relevant in 15-1700s that never got abolished because everyone forgot about them. Not really relevant because we're not at war and that it hasn't been cold enough for that to happen in 150 years.

>>64121970
Thatcher didn't need a war to remain popular with her expanding lower-middle class voters however

>>64122035
Being able to operate a longbow is probably still on the books in Blighty.

>>64121987
one man can control a lot of firepower, but he needs more men to operate and mantain the weapons

>>64121924
>but turkey has a much stronger economy and close ties to many nations
A lot of european countries are already fed up with Erdogan and his shenanigans, thus there is no way (in an hypothetical Greek-Turkey War) for the EU to lose such an opportunity to "denazify" Turkey and install a different ruler more aligned with the EU.

>>64122074
Thatcher was busy smashing the lower classes and the unions Civil War might have been a way away but that tiff bought her time and an election.

>>64121618 (OP)
You can't fight a war without soldiers and the idea of attacking your neighbours is absolutely alien to everyone normal except maybe balkan retards, there's simply no politician who could ever get elected with war paltform.

>>64121618 (OP)
the only somewhat feasible scenario is Greece vs Turkey and yeah they are ready

>>64122544
greece is not even remotely ready. turkey has over half a million infantry force and a shitload of tanks, they have a huge navy and the main suppliers of drones this side of eurasia. greece is gambling on nato to help them in case erdogan wants to try a hail mary, which is honestly not ideal. italy would help, being the most prominent power in the med, but still.

>>64121679
This is why the US has every right to conquer Canada and all of Europe. Europeans have lost all sense of self preservation and responsibility, and instead think "oh but we have expensive social programs, unlike the US, so haha why worry?"
Fuck you.

>>64121946
you’re brown

>>64122705
Too late, Rajesh already demoralized me

>>64122600
>italy would help
Would it amount to something given the historical warfighting capability of italy since its formation.

>>64122600
not on NATO
the Greeks are a part of the EU but Turkey isn't
so it's counting on intervention by other EU countries
no EU NATO countries would probably not get involved aside from intel and diplomacy trying to get everyone to stop

>>64122705
Spain is a white country.

>>64122600
france would help too and has already stationed Rafales somewhere there a couple of years ago (cyprus maybe).

Austria has this:
> Total personnel strength—both standing forces and reserves—is to be materially contracted under the new plan.[17] The fully mobilized army will decline in strength from 200,000 to 120,000.[17] The standing alert force will be reduced from 15,000 to 10,000.[17] Reaction time is to be radically shortened so that part of the standing alert force can be deployed within hours to a crisis zone (for example, one adjacent to the border with Slovenia).

that 10-15k QRF is basically around 2x the total Slovenian army.

>>64122600
>italy would help
All of the mediterranean countries would help Greece. No med country would want Turkey to expand any further from their actual borders.

>>64121918
Russia and Ukraine are barely younger than that, so your point seems retarded

The only risk situations are
>Greece and Turkey
Maybe someone attacking Albanian. I can't keep track of which Slav mystery meat is in the EU and which isn't so I can't speak to that.

>>64121707
While it is I think pragmatism is the rule of the day with how Armenia is looking to do some economic deals and cooperation with Turkey and Azerbaijan. The only people who give a big wiff about ancient feuds are either the retarded public vatnik equivalents in the regional dialect or retarded politicians who aren't gravy-train sorts.

>>64122931
They might actually be a vision of the future where younger men are your precious commodity and older men are your liabilities you want to get rid of (Less pensions to pay) so wars might get fought more and more by older men.

>>64121618 (OP)
Of course. There have been conflicts between NATO members. Turkey and Greece of course, but also the UK and Iceland Cod Wars.

>>64121618 (OP)
>NATO 2015
Here is the updated image, bro

>>64123066
Turkey had some beef with Sweden and Finland joining because of politics but it was probably more of a bargaining chip because the US blocked sales of f16 and such because the Turks bought s300 instead of patriot. Turks are just retarded in general

>>64122931
>>64121918
>Russia and Ukraine are barely younger than that, so your point seems retarded
Russia has a younger median age only by virtue of having a life expectancy on par with African shitholes.

>>64121671
>France probably does
Anon, who do you think would BE that goign commando country in the first place?
Nothing pains France more than seeing anyone else be the biggest and bestest hotshot in Europe. Has always been like that and has been the source of most wars.

>>64122751
tbf, Turkey has been plotting for a place in the EU for quite a long time. Attacking an EU country would just make that slim, but existing, chance ZERO with a capital 0.
The US would probably try to intervene because Turkey is an important NATO asset (solely due to its strategic position mind you).

>>64122600
>3-Day special operation to de-Rhomaioiify Athens ends up facing the surviving Greek navy, the French navy, the Italian Navy, the Spanish Navy and the Bong Navy after invading Southern Cyprus and taking the Bong bases.
>The Sultan ends up strangled by the ghost of Ataturk
I just want to see the GDG and the 2 QE working together

>>64123750
I think we would fight for Turkey m8, or sit it out. They are a bigger customer than Greece. Unless your specific mention of our Israel defence base attacked being our only pretext for war.

>>64121955
As you can tell from his reply she didn't sacrifice anything to win the Falklands War and he's just being randomly salty about Thatcher.

>>64121707
I feel like the Greece/Turkey conflict is just going to be India/Pakistan all over again with swarthy ESLs claiming great victories over a handful of destroyed cold war surplus and no territory exchanged. Turkey on paper can bully Greece but in reality I doubt either country is going to be able to mobilize forces in any useful manner which would lead to isolated conflicts.

>>64122948
>older men are your liabilities you want to get rid of
Only problem with that is many of the older men not yet in retirement are actually in senior positions or have tribal knowledge at jobs. Older men are only used in desperation as defensive lines, which is why the average age of people KIA/WIA is so high, since most of the battle is static. The scenario you're describing only makes sense in wars of attrition with limited movement, older men's usefulness usually ends in defensive and rear echelon roles as while they may be more competent and willing to hold positions than younger guys they will not be able to keep up in an assault.

>>64123458
Delete that shit.

>>64123796
the eu masses have a much more positive opinion of greeks than turks, aside from old german boomers maybe. western europe could potentially side with turkey, but they sure won't make it a popular war.
>hurr durr muh dumb cattle
vietnam ended because the cattle got fed up.

>>64123836
>invades ukraine to prevent it from becoming a nato member
>three more countries join nato
bold move, but he's a 5d chess player, he sure thought of it

>>64123458
Who will the western aggression target next?
Moldova, Armenia, Belarus or someone else?

>>64123508
EU membership is pretty much dead until Erdogan is gone and then it will still take at least a decade or two of reforms
the only way that Turkey is going to do something so stupidly destructive as to start a war with Greece is if Erdogan sees it as the only way out and he knows that if he loses power he's gonna get the Qaddafi bayonet treatment
considering the only people that could oust him are the liberals and they want EU membership that isn't an option for them
so there isn't a way that he's gonna do that
it's a nice thought exercise. but it's as likely to kick of as the second hundred years war over the channel islands

>>64123840
>Finland
>Sweden
Who's the third?

>>64123796
>>64123837
you are both forgetting that Greece is an EU member and Turkey isn't
So the rest of the EU is legally beholden to side with Greece
>it's just a bit of paper
but it's the bit of paper on which all EU economies are build, it societies are based and daily life resolves around
>it doesn't do that
just think of everyone living or working in an other member state, every supply chain that crosses borders, every bit of regulation and so on heck even the money you use for most of them is all due to the EU

>>64123808
Turks can't into expeditionary warfare. Neither nation has the means to reach the other aside from missile chimpouts, which would be terrible for the roaches because it would disrupt shipping and for the greeks because it would disrupt tourism

>>64123916

Classified.

>>64123916
north macedonia apparently. after what happened in 2014 they wanted in

>>64123904
Turkey will never join the EU. We might as well let fucking Botswana in at that point.

( ) White
( ) Christian
( ) European culture/history

You need at least 2/3. Algeria has a bigger chance of ever joining.

>>64123968
Please let it be Belarus. It would be so fucking funny.
>>64123985
If we're counting since 2014, it's four countries.
Fun fact, Russian intelligence tried to do a coup in Montenegro.

>>64124003
Belarus is definitely getting glowie attention to try and rip it off from mazza rashia, even after the war.

It continues to surprise me that ziggers think that after the war everything will be "business as usual, just like before". As if the West will collectively forget ziggerstan is a bunch of bloodthirsty skin-walkers pretending to be a normal country that stands there smiling asking to be let into your house.

Like thinking you could just go about your normal life tomorrow, having just brutally murdered someone in the streets today. Maybe it's some sort of built-in "why worry about tomorrow?" thought-stop that you need to not go completely insane upon realizing you're a russian in russia.

>>64123797
His daddy was probably some mobster pinko who abused (and ruined) unions and attacked poor men trying to work to put food on their families table

>>64124036
I read picrel, and long story short, Feb 2022 was very traumatic for Western businessmen living in Russia and corporations invested in Russia.
Even if the war ends, none of these companies or businessmen will go back until Putin is gone. Russia is toxic now. Investor confidence might as well be negative.

Furthermore, the EU will never again put any stock in any form of Ostpolitik.

>>64123851
Hard to say.
Moldova, Armenia, Georgia, Kosovo and Serbia should be out due to "outstanding territorial disputes". Bosnia-Hertzegovina has no incentive to join unless the Serbs get very silly indeed. Austrians are mountain cocksuckers. The Irish are cucks.
Belarus would be funny as all hell and given that Potatoman announced just this week that he won't be a candidate in the upcoming elections there is like a 0,001% chance of a more liberal candidate being elected. But then again Russia can't allow something like that to happen so they might actually over-react and attempt an actual occupation

>>64124053
>The Irish are cucks.
To be fair, defense is probably not such a priority when they have the entire EU as a defensive buffer against any actual threat.

>>64123851
Ireland is possible by the 2030s/2040s by a few different paths (ie as part of a Unification deal) but don't hold your breath. The 2022 war finally spooked the Irish government and bureaucracy to take defence seriously for the first time in the states history buts it's going to be a real slow burn and that's assuming the two parties behind it stay in power despite their domestic issues.

>>64124066
True, plus all their treaties with the bongs should be more than enough.
It does seem to me that the Irish are kinda trying to take the role of mediator in different conflicts around the world, similar to how Finland often acted in the 90's and early 00's

>>64124053
>Armenia
>outstanding territorial disputes
What do they have left?
And West Germany was able to join in 1955 with territorial claims well beyond the current German borders.

>>64124089
I'm pretty sure Armenia hasn't officially recognized the loss of Nagorno-Karabakh yet.
And I'd argue West Germany was a different case due to the need for securing Central Europe againts the commies

>>64124096
>I'm pretty sure Armenia hasn't officially recognized the loss of Nagorno-Karabakh yet.
They're working on it. Armenia never officially claimed the area, they merely recognized and supported a separatist government.

>>64121618 (OP)
the way the greek pm is doing things and basicly dearming greece i expect a skirmish to happen soon (5 to 10 years)

>>64123986
>White
>Christian
>European culture/history
This isn't the point of the EU. It's a transfer mechanism with an half-baked single market bolted on top.
The west gets cheap labour, the east gets large subsidies (It is poor people in rich countries paying for rich people in poor countries)
Cheap labor migration isn't politically sellable anymore in the west so there will be no more new countries that are net recipients.
This is why Poland will have a giga euroscepticism brainwave if they turn into net contributors (for example by Ukraine joining)
The only solution is a new treaty

>>64123986
You forgot to mention that Turkey IS NOT EVEN IN FUCKING EUROPE.
Even if they were white christians, they would not belong to Europe PERIOD.
Fucking hell, Rhodesia and pre-1990 South Africa would also not belong to Europe.
Same with Israel, it's enough of a farce that they are allowed to participate in the Eurovision and get points solely on account of being jews.

>>64123502
Sure, but the French plan is labeled as the “what if le germs go le commando plan” (the plan involves a preemptive invasion of Germany and Belgium)

>>64124154
Poles have already engoodened their infrastructure, they don't need more gibs. In fact they should have rerouted those gibs to the UK in 2015

>>64124155
>thinking eurovision has anything to do with location
Read book anon, any book please.. stop being such a fucking retard holy shit

>>64124179
He has got a point though, I have middle east-fatigue (along with most of the rest of Europe). For the remainder of my life, the only news I ever want to hear from the middle east + north africa anymore is reports that the daytime temperatures are a pleasant mild 60 degrees (Celsius). And that includes America's greatest ally.

Kick out all non-Europeans, seal the borders. Drone patrol the Mediterranean 24/7 and bomb refugee rafts to Poseidon's realm. Europe for Europeans.

>>64124179
Eurovision is based on location
>The "European Broadcasting Area" is bounded on the west by the western boundary of Region 1, on the east by the meridian 40° East of Greenwich and on the south by the parallel 30° North so as to include the northern part of Saudi Arabia and that part of those countries bordering the Mediterranean within these limits. In addition, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia and those parts of the territories of Iraq, Jordan, Syrian Arab Republic, Turkey and Ukraine lying outside the above limits are included in the European Broadcasting Area.

>>64122762
The post quoted had fuck all to do with Spain, but you know that. It was yet another attempt by brownoids to seethe about the eternal Anglo. Nonwhites/ziggers cannot help but shit up /k/ with disinformation and bad faith posts about anything and all UK related.

>>64125455
Ziggers would be happy about the UK giving away sovereign territory a la Chagos Islands, Russia carried the UN int law injunction against the UK, with India.
While the post you are referencing acted miffed about this Labour strategy in bowing to bad-faith international laws.

>>64122771
>that 10-15k QRF is basically around 2x the total Slovenian army.
The Slovenian army is planned to more than double in size to 20.000 with an addition 30.000 in a 'mandatory' reserve to be filled via conscription.

That's beside the 60 thousand people that have passed at least basic military training and could be called up. However legally speaking every male over the age of 17 is liable to be called up.

In other words, the war time mobilization strength, being optimistic and taking this at face value, would be about 110k.

>>64121618 (OP)
for now most of euro nato part has finally gotten around to taking vatnikstan invasion as a serious possibility. Mostly in the form of pouring investments into ukranians military industry while enabling long term contracts for domestic hardware producers and slowly culling the peace time lethargy bureaucracy around military procurement (too slow, expensive and inflexible)

as for agent orange attacking and occupying canada, greenland and iceland you will have your answer when iceland reestablishes its military and alongside denmark+norway start stacking up anti-ship cruise missiles/anti ship drones with 100% non american production chains

>>64122035
See how much the d*ne fears the Swedish BVLL

>>64122614
Lost against Rice farmers

>>64124661
Are you republican by any chance? I'm asking as you seem to be only semi literate and have a penchant for embarrasing yourself in public

>>64125881
Iceland never had a military to begin with, and it would be pointless to resist invading.

The absolute omega-tier shitstorm of a Canadian insurgency wreaking the US from within (with gleeful support from Chang, as all guerillas need a foreign sponsor) would be a cool "what if" Tom Clancy-tier book, though.

I am so fucking hyped for that Panzerbrigade in Lithuania to reach full-strength.

>>64121671
>Germany almost certainly doesn't
they gorilla glued themselves to the cuck chair
tragic really

>>64125904
Europeans also lost against them.

>>64123851
>Belarus
>Moldova
already russian puppet states
>Armenia
not if turkroaches have anything to say about it

>>64125904
>>64126872
You're a peasants lost in a far more retarded and humiliating fashion

>>64123952
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_invasion_of_Cyprus

>>64122948
albanians are not slavs

>>64123851
Georgia is next. Russia still have the unsolved disputes in the Ossetian Lands, plus no one will give a fuck considering it is in Asia and not Europe.

>>64124003

What’s this stance called?

>>64127814
The "STALKER zombie animation mocap actor"

>>64121618 (OP)
My sweet summer child, "goes commando" does not mean what you think it means.

>>64123986
>Algeria has a bigger chance of ever joining
They don't want to join, but funnily enough Morocco actually wanted to and they have asked the EU several times in the past.

>>64127815

I’d guess he very recently received non-gay disciplinary action from his superiors.

>>64121918
Would be interesting to list it as median age / retirement age (or life expectancy).

>>64125905
Yes. Monarchies are archaic.

>>64127828
Algeria was part of the EC.

>>64127893
Yes, because it was still part of France. Same shit with French Guiana.

>>64121618 (OP)
I'm sure every country on earth has potential battle plan for scenarios where their neighbour attacks. That being said, they probably trust each other enough not to waste soldiers and hardware on constantly manning the borders they consider safe.

>>64127998
>I'm sure every country on earth has potential battle plan for scenarios where their neighbour attacks.
Does that include immediate surrender?

>>64121618 (OP)
France?

>>64121924
>but turkey has a much stronger economy
The Zimbabwe-tier "economy" that STILL deals with double digits inflation? Strong?

>>64123458
NATO countries should annex useless freeloaders like Switzerland and Austria and bomb Serbia again

>>64123482
it wasn't the F-16, Turkey knew Sweden couldn't change a thing about that.

It was about the retarded liberal Swedes being a literal hub for commie Kurdish rebels and supporters, literally having them both in government and tens of thousands in diaspora.

>Greece/Turkey
You're all focusing on the wrong place. You have to look at the actual traitors instead.

>>64123904
turk here hes not gonna get the qaddafi treatment
worst case scenario(a political comission to the 2016 coup attempt if opposition takes over)hell escape to qatar or pakistan
remember erdogan and akp enabled gulenists for years akp is still full of people who once upon a time glazed him like theres no tomorrow

also you know our situation is grim when two of his likelies successors are
bilal erdogan(his son)
selçuk bayraktar(likeliest one/son in law largest defensive contractor)
>>64123904
ill be ok with not joining the eu if they were honest about it and offer a deal
maybe adopt the euro preferential treatment of visa

>>64128062
I genuinely believe Orban could start a war with a neighbor country if he begins to feel the heat at some point of his mandate.

>>64128024
why do you think he arrested his biggest political rival if an election happens hes fucked
(and he has to call for an early one if he wants to run for a third term unless he wants to put his son or bayraktar there and become a supreme leader like figure)
>>64128181
with who? ukraine slovakia?

>>64128213
Genuine question since you're Turk, how do you deal with such high inflation when you're a regular Joe? The richs won't care, they always have 9000 solutions to get away with it, but as a regular Joe, do you end up buying gold, BTC, silver, USD, EUR, maybe invest in stonks as they tend to at least track inflation? Maybe you use the money you have to at least secure real estate/a home?
I suppose salaries bump up quite a bit, but we just know companies won't track inflation 1:1, far from it. Not like they could even if they wanted to.
Inflation going up even a tidy bit too much is enough to destabilize economies, and even lead to funny elections (see the US). I can't imagine having to live through peaks of 80 or 90% inflation, even if temporary. It just feels so alien to me. And probably feel alien to the entire West. Just the measly covid inflation was perceived as dramatic, even if it was a nothingburger in the grand scheme of things.

>>64128227
if you are an average joe youre fucked for the lack of a better term(keep it in mind we have a nearly one third widely defined joblessness rating and a heavily competitive job market)
ill tell you this
back when we dumped our parliamentary democracy in the favor of a presidential one(2018)i worked in a cash exchange i remember going this idiot at pic related(berat albayrak other son in law turned finance minister)doing a presentation and lira flipping its shit going from 5.2 to 6.7
if you told me the state the lira is now i would have told you to go fuck yourself

>>64127120
Dien Bien Phu went down as one of the biggest military blunders of the 21st century for France.

>>64128251
It's far less embarrassing for a post-WWII wounded France running on decrepit forces to not be able to fight in Vietnam compared to an US losing while it's at its prime, at the top of the world, with extraordinary cold-war military manufacturing capacities going full steam.
By order of magnitude.

>>64128267
Cope.

>>64128245
Must be harsh, recession-tier I suppose. Though looking at unemployment, the trajectory doesn't look that bad. Though if the data isn't cooked, which I assume they are to some extent considering the nepotism you're describing. We shall see such a turn in the US as well, considering the very recent events. Let's just pray the head of the central bank doesn't get overturned like in Turkey.
Also I assume any foreign imports are priced completely crazy and are now unaffordable? Like, I dunno, a Switch 2, an Nvidia card (not that they aren't crazy priced in the first place), a recent smartphone, and so on.
I assume the general population can hold up as long as unemployment stays contained and salaries at least are enough to keep eating and having a roof and some other basic shit
But if unemployment was high and you couldn't consume shit, it would end up in a revolution here. Eating and having a roof are not considered sufficient.

>>64128142
you have better EU deals than the UK. The comission also give you money every year for the past 15 years despite Erdo boiling Idlib into a terrorist hotspot, not to mention the laundry list of hostility he engages in.

>>64128213
>with who?
Romania. Orban has some contacts with the Hungarians nationalists in that country, he is just waiting for the correct time to attack.

>>64128380
in fairness i was specifially talking about the broadly defined unemployment
smartphones/tech are ok i suppose in the lower end/chinese unless you are talking about the higher end of the spectrum in the higher end ones you buy 1 for you 1 for the govt due to taxes
as for nepotism everyting about bayraktar t3 foundation teknofest next sosyal makes sense once you remember who his wife is

>>64128062
>>64128181
Hungary starts a war with one of their neighbors to 'recover' their lost territories and they're going to get ganbanged by literally every neighbor they have because they all control lost Hungarian territories.

>>64128436
Hungarian nationalists in Romania are pro-western. Its also the reason why Orban withdrew his support for the right wing candidate in the recent elections and it was the Hungarian vote that massively favored the pro-EU one.

>>64128467
Not if they attack Austria.