Thread 64148773

Atlantic Trident 2025 (Finland)

https://x.com/martialdcs/status/1958201860596068686

>>64148773 (OP)
Okay, is that with the lens on?

>>64148773 (OP)
Should be noted this was in a scenario where the F-35 deliberately allowed the Rafale to detect it for the sake of having a dogfight.

>>64148780

The F-35 is far from being undetectable.
Houthi Air Defenses nearly hit one recently.

>>64148780
That doesnt matter, shitskins are going to treat it as though its actually getting shot down.

>>64148797
>"allabylladall, we almost hit one you stupid infidel!"
I bet you got this from some website plastered in shitskin runes, too.

>>64148797
>Houthi Air Defenses nearly hit one recently.
Your "nearly" is doing a LOT of work there.

>>64148797
>nearly

https://www.twz.com/air/f-35-had-to-maneuver-to-evade-houthi-surface-to-air-missile-u-s-official

This aircraft is virtually obsolete due to major advances in passive detection in recent years. (Germany, China)

>>64148778
>>64148773 (OP)
and on top of that the F-35 is explicitly not an air superiority fighter.

"Joint Strike Fighter" *strike* F-35 is a multirole fighter bomber and it is just not going to dogfight things willingly. Its for penetrating defended airspace an eliminating ground targets. Its air to air capability is secondary to its primary role as a stealthy strike bomber. It would literally be more impressive to get this image of an F-16 or F-18, they are FAR better dogfighters.

https://xcancel.com/CanbulatP/status/1958216343356047857#m
>Rafale had succeeded in previous years as well against the F-22, but in the real war, I think the F-35 or F-22 would not leave the work to Dogfight.

turks with more dignity than the browns that shill on this website

>>64148773 (OP)
>training exercise set up so it end in a dogfight
>aircraft optimized for stealth loses on of the rounds
>this proves that x is better
that's such shit only retarded turdies think this means anything sadly we are dealing with sale pedos from india and russia pushing US vs. Europe shit like this

>>64148773 (OP)
>high aspect photo from a targeting pod
Doesn't imply a kill was achieved and even if it was, it literally doesn't matter. F-4's have killed Rafales, A-10s have killed F-22s.

Also, you can see the luneberg lenses in the gif lol

>>64148797
And I nearly got to fuck Sydney Sweeney yesterday

>>64148773 (OP)
Muh wargames

>>64148797
didnt they also sink a US carrier?
i remember brownogs screeching about it on /pol/

>>64148773 (OP)
why is it always the french posting snippets like that, no other country does it. It's almost like they need to prove something, does Rafale suck or something?

>looking for a new multirole fighter
>ask frogger if it's bvr or dogfight focused
>he doesn't understand
>pull out illustrated diagram explaining what are the bvr and dogfight capabilities
>he laughs and says "it's a good plain sir"
>look at the combat record
>it's dogfight

>>64148812
If stealth is obsolete then why is China still trying so hard to make all aspect low RCS stealth? Israel flew dozens of sorties over Iran without even getting so much as detected. Also, detecting and being ato acquire a firing solution are to completely different things. I could shoot down an F-22 with a ww2 flak gun if I managed to 'detect' its heading and it kept its aspect and speed but that obviously never happens in the real world.

>frogs gloating
>thirdies delusional as always
>mutts coping

literally every involved nation has gained insight and trained their pilots and they strengthened the cohesion amongst each other. This was a win–win–win for all involved but you have to fall for bait

It's hard to see those billions of dollars go to waste. Years go by, but nothing improves.

Fortunately, our great country manages to threaten other countries into buying them.

And with the F-47 and the Super F-22, things aren't going to get any better.

>>64148871
frogs don't need this to gloat
if anything what makes a frog a frog is his ability be smug absent of any reason

>>64148877
Anon how do you read >>64148871 and immediately write the most retarded shit possible

>>64148869
China is competing with the US in a penis size contest. It's like owning thousands of nuclear warheads....it makes no sense.

Flying over Iran, which has Russian equipment that is not proving itself in Ukraine... What an achievement.

>>64148877
bumping so people see this abhorrent post and laugh at it

>>64148877
I am agree.
All to of waste...We Americanskis should just stop making the weapons of war. It is all waste.

>>64148889
Sounds like thirdie cope to me. Last time I checked BVR engagements don't cause mutually assured destruction. Also how the fuck do you think the Houthis would have better air defenses by any means when they are literally a dirt poor Iranian proxy?

>>64148915

Do you live in a cave? The Chinese are helping the Houthis.

>>64148931
what /pol/bullshittery is this?

>>64148860
>nearly
as in they hit the water about 10 miles away and got deleted because of it

>>64148941
NTA, the Chinese are funding the brownoids through Iran, antagonizing the west at a low cost. It's most of the reason there hasn't been a fatwa against China for Xinjiang.

I am Yanke Americanovich from Ohioblast and I am very Demoralized. I will cease paying department of American Imperialist Aggression immediately

>>64148946
that is just another multi polar shill using the "AMERIKANS ENEMY SECRETLY SUPPORTING EACH OTHER" angle

>>64148974
China has been supporting Al Qaeda and the Taliban behind the scenes, and when we left Afghanistan guess who immediately gained access to their lithium mines?

>>64148984
the taliban

>>64148996
>the Taliban said
Guess what happened

>>64149004
what? china gonna invade afghanistan for "not keeping their promise" to china?

>>64148984
China has been isolating Afghanistan for decades retard, not even the US and their request to open the frontier changed that.

>>64148773 (OP)
I see thurdies are trying really hard to create something out of two seconds of cropped video.

>>64148863
Probably related to India losing 3 Rafales to Pakistan.

>>64148863
other third world countries do it too. remember this shit?

>According to the Pentagon, several limitations reduced the chances of victory of the Eagle drivers against the Indian fighters. .. Second, the air engagements typically involved six Eagles against up to eighteen IAF aircraft with no chance to simulate any beyond visual range (BVR) missile shot (due to the Indian request of not using the AMRAAM).

>>64149016
China and Afghanistan have been on friendly terms since 1955

>>64148773 (OP)
Yes, that's sort of the point of training exercises. Force unfavorable scenarios and see what can be learned to refine operational doctrine.

>>64149099
>China distanced itself from Afghanistan following the rise of the Taliban in the 1990s
And that's why the Wakhjir Pass isn't a dead end despite its potential for the B&R initiative...

>>64148773 (OP)
what's the equivalent of implessive or sublime for frogs?

>>64148871
explain how the F-35 dogfighting is good training. literally anyone who thinks that dogfighting is good training for any jet is either a retard, fag, tourist, or all of the above.
multiple things must have gone horrifically wrong for a fucking stealth jet to be dogfighting. and even then you might not even have the option to dogfight as your last resort because you've already been barraged by short range air-to-air missiles.
training like this is a literal nothingburger enforced by a gigaboomer chain of command with the barest of knowledge on how their own AMRAAMS work.
>"In MY day, I tell ya sonny..."
>t. you

>>64149407
Imagine being so retarded and thinking you're clever.

>>64149407
>planes shouldn't have guns because they already have missiles for shooting down the enemy

>>64149430
>literally nothing to say so just spergs in rage
seems you chose all of the above

>>64149470
You're so far up mount stupid you can't even hear what I'm saying. But here's a little tidbit: low, slow drones that can only be cost-effectively destroyed with closer-range weapons are becoming a near ubiquitous weapon. Probably a good idea to have pilots who can do more than press the "delete with an AIM-120 from BVR" button.

>>64149465
>let's use this stealth jet to fight at a range which deletes every single advantage that a stealth jet has
get your brain off of tom cruise's nuts, queer

>>64149483
>do not prepare for worst case scenario that should never happen
how very chinese of you

>>64149483
Stealth is just one aspect of a multirole fighter. You still need to be able to do other stuff too that's going to occur when the aircraft can't be necessarily stay stealthy.

>>64149478
tourist, other missiles exist. I never said bvr is the only option so you're the schizo making shit up in your head.
plus the anti-drone weapon of choice would be the APKWS II not a gun you mouthbreathing nigger
plus if drones are the point then train against a drone
I say that manned jet vs manned jet dogfighting training is stupid and you literally bring up a non-manned jet vs manned jet situation, something completely different. you're so fucking retarded that you can't even comprehend just how retarded your post is.

>>64149492
who do you think wins the most from Western allies doing retarded training? how it is chinese to want Western allies to do better training? use your ganglia for one fucking second, nigger

>>64149504
You can't even grasp how the skills BFM training carry over to other applications yet call others retarded.

>>64149407
Is there a better way to get familiar with the limits of a planes agility?

>>64149514
>do not practice first aid because you aren't supposed to get shot
tell me, how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast?

>>64149515
>DON'T train for what you need to do
>train for something that is SOMEWHAT CLOSE to what you want to do and then APPLY IT during a wartime situation where your life and the lives of your allies are on the line
you're just another Dunning–Kruger tourist spouting nonsense and can't comprehend the least bit of logic. obtain brain cells and non melanin, mouthbreather.

>>64149520
>compares infantry getting shot to a stealth jet dogfighting
so devoid of logic that you made the most retarded strawman in existence.

>>64149089
Malaysian pilot in Su-30MKM and Mig-29 have proven otherwise against USAF F-15/16, USN F-18 and even F-22

For reminder of what happened during the last Cope Taufan, the F-22 lost to the Sukhois by a 3 time lockdown confirmed kills. the RMAF Sukhoi SU-30MKM were be able to detect and locked into USAF Lockheed Martin F-22A Raptor in stealth mode during Cope Taufan 2014 joined USAF & RMAF exercises.

None other than former US Navy pilot Trevor "Gonky" Hartsock is a Boeing contractor who'd trained RMAF Hornet pilots when MLU prog was initiated to bring the Malaysian D++ Nitestrike variant to Mod25X standard.

Gonky's top 5 toughest dogfight:
>1. RMAF BAe Hawk Mk108/208
>2. Northrop F-5
>3. RMAF Su-30MKM
>4. F-16
>5. Boeing F/A-18

As per Gonky's deduction as former USAF Reserve adversary pilot and former Boeing contractor, the RMAF Su-30MKM is considered as a formidable fighter in the air giving great opportunity for USAF pilots to hav a feel on their potential opponent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duejFDL04P0

The F-22 never comes around Malaysia anymore because China doesn't like the idea of Su-30MKM which is more advanced than their basic J-15 being used by Raptor pilots to develop countermeasures.

>>64148814
>>64149407
>F-35 no good for A2A

Explain how 2 F-35As wiped 6 F-15SGs at Pitch Black 22 and all the other times they've done the same to F-15s/16s/18s at multiple Red Flags and other stateside exercises

>>64149578
>he thinks that A2A means only dogfighting
>he thinks that a commentary on the relevance of dogfighting equals a commentary on the jet's A2A capabilities
I'm the second anon and I have to say that you desperately need reading comprehension skills.
Let me slow this down for you because you and so many others need it:
Everyone and their moms are trying to make better and better missiles and retarded quotes from the vietnam war isn't the slam dunk that you think it is.
Dogfighting with the F-35 is retarded BECAUSE it's an excellent A2A platform due to its stealth. And in the slim case where BVR isn't enough, the WVR missiles are already so fucking powerful with HMD and datalinks that it would take lottery-tier levels of chance for the gun to ever be relevant.

>>64148869
>If stealth is obsolete then why is China still trying so hard to make all aspect low RCS stealth?
Firstly, if your pacing threat is China, you're Taiwan or you're losing, because China's military is for two things, Taiwan, and dickwaving. Secondly, the F-35 does not have good all aspect stealth, its stealth is mediocre from anything other than a frontal aspect.
>Israel flew dozens of sorties over Iran without even getting so much as detected.
Oh, you're an Israeli shill, gotcha. You can't be convinced that you're wrong because you already know it and you just don't care, you already know Israel mostly lobbed standoff munitions from outside of Iranian air defense coverage, and 99% of the air defense suppression was achieved by Mossad rather than from the air, and that was against an air defense network that was barely integrated at all and most of it was Hawk clones. This is like the idiots who crow about how great the Gulf War air campaign was, it's just fucking embarrassing.
>>64148869
>I could shoot down an F-22 with a ww2 flak gun if I managed to 'detect' its heading and it kept its aspect and speed
No you couldn't.

>>64149561
>Gonky's top 5 toughest dogfight:
>1. RMAF BAe Hawk Mk108/208
>2. Northrop F-5
>3. RMAF Su-30MKM
>4. F-16
>5. Boeing F/A-18
I'm gonna assume this was either guns only or Fox 2s only because that is a very different list than one that would be the result of a pre-merge fight

>For reminder of what happened during the last Cope Taufan, the F-22 lost to the Sukhois by a 3 time lockdown confirmed kills. the RMAF Sukhoi SU-30MKM were be able to detect and locked into USAF Lockheed Martin F-22A Raptor in stealth mode during Cope Taufan 2014 joined USAF & RMAF exercises.

Very impressive if what you meant by 'stealth mode' was a clean config, but two things to keep in mind. First, it's well known that F-22 pilots don't give it the beans or push the airframe to it's limits when training outside of the US, especially with such a China neutral ally, second, the SU-30M might've gotten tone with assistance from his IRST pod and HMS, but the chances of an R-73 actually tracking so far off bore when fired is going to be low.

>>64149639
>Dogfighting with the F-35 is retarded BECAUSE it's an excellent A2A platform due to its stealth.
That's cope. The reason it's retarded is because it can't carry any missiles that are good for dogfighting in its internal weapons bay, so it can't be both stealthy and dogfight.

>>64149695
Is this your first second on /k/ or something

>>64149695
this is a well known malaysian schizo

>>64149731
I'm somewhat of a newfag yeah, mostly just hang around on YT >>64149735 ok kek now I know

>>64148773 (OP)
and a t-38 has killed an f22 in bfm. its fucking training who cares
i could fill a library with shit you dumb chinks dont understand about training missions

>>64148974
I mean..... Russia is rather explicitly getting aid from Iran and North Korea. China - Iran ties are rather unlikely i'll agree, India is using Iran as a counter to Pakistan, Iran doesn't like the Taliban who China are looking to work with for natural resources. Iran doesn't say shit about China because China is perfectly fine with making mouth noises against Israel for the Palestinians because it's easy to make the US look bad with that.

>>64149762
I'm pretty sure China buys a lot of Iranian oil. There have also been some rumblings about Iran buying Chinese long range air defense systems, but they're probably just going to buy Russian ones.

>>64148941
Its been known for sometime that China has been passing the Houthis and Iranians the F-35's radar profile from its intercepts of US and JASDF aircraft. Not to mention the US sold F-35s to Singapore as well which is probably even more retarded

>>64149639
The F-35, has already been compromised:

>Americans decided to sell F-35 to Singapore.
>Doesn't realize that Singapore is another Communist China province.
>Singapore allowed PLAAF 'technician' to inspect the F-35 in the name of Chinese brotherhood and supremacy
>Just a year later F-35 got surpassed by advanced Shenyang FC-31 version.

I laughed hard when I saw news that the US is going to sell F-35s to Singapore. The moment those jets land in Singapore there is going to be an army of Chinese spies ready to dig into whatever areas they haven't stolen already.

>>64149840
/pol/ is that way to the right

>>64149861
Stop replying you utter retard newfag
LURK BEFORE POSTING

>>64148773 (OP)
>exercise

>>64149840
>surpassed
lmao

>>64148780
This, these contests are like "I'm gonna have a duel with someone only they are allwoed to start with their gun already drawn and pointed at me."

In actual tests where they had to find and deal with F-35s without seeing them or being told where they are, last I heard (year+ ago) the F-35 had about a 35:1 kill ratio vs 4th gen aircraft. This is good but not like unbelievably good like F-22 bring either 70:1 or 200:1 or something like that in similar scenarios.

And we generally would expect performance like this between gens. That is what the fucking gen marker is for. And, F-35's known ratios are actually better than we would expect for example F-16 vs F-4. In the real world the average F-16 would be utterly helpless against an unknown F-35 trying to not be seen in BVR. Which is what they are supposed to fucking do. Talking about dogfighting an F-35 is slightly less "dude that is not what they are fucking for" than dogfighting a B-2. They can attempt to defend themselves in close range but aren't remotely designed to win that fight like the F-22.

>>64148797
>nearly

>>64149840
>I laughed hard when I saw news that the US is going to sell F-35s to Singapore. The moment those jets land in Singapore there is going to be an army of Chinese spies ready to dig into whatever areas they haven't stolen already.
I like Singapore, so I hope they don't do that. The F-35 is a boondoggle, and copying it is like copying a speds homework. The F-35 is the F-104 of our era, but somehow worse. At least the F-104 was genuinely technologically impressive for its era, even if it was a temperamental bitch, while the F-35 can barely fight WVR, is barely as stealthy as planes we made 30 years ago, and has availability rates that are fucking humiliating. If it was a small arm it'd have been made by Sig. The only reason I don't buy the idea that it comes with a kill switch is that I have no idea how you'd tell that apart from the damn thing just shitting itself on its own. Singapore should save their money and wait for a current generation fighter that isn't dogshit to come along, if that ever happens.

>>64148816
They're a part of NATO for all the shit we put up with for good reason. Their shittiness ratio is frankly better than India's.

>>64148773 (OP)
that's BFM range, the F35 is detectable by both radar and EOTS at those ranges anyways

>>64149931
>be India
>become slightly less poor poohole
>buy fancy new jets from Russia and France
>Superpower by 2020!
>USA hits you up
>wants to do some air combat exercises
>Fine! But only WVR dogfights count!
>BVR is for pussies
>Spend the next decade bragging about how badly you beat America
>Jai hind or whatever!
>BVR is still for pussies
>finally go to war with stinky Pakistanis
>get BTFO by BVR missiles
>BVR is not actually for pussies

>>64149945
India just copes because IIRC they spent more for their Rafales than any country ever spent for a plane ever. That might be adjusted for gdp or inflation or something, but they still massively overspent for a mediocre plane that got mogged by made in China crap the one time they actually used it. I'm pretty sure the Russians were offering them Su-57s for less.

I know the F-35 has always been shit on by a bunch of people but it's crazy how obvious the shilling has become now that it's got a track record of bombing the shit out of brown people with no losses. It feels like they're trying to brag about how well their infantry could win in a knife fight. Like, yeah buddy, I'm sure you'd kick ass at knife fighting, but I think we'd rather just shoot you with all these guns we brought with us.

>>64149963
I just want to add to this post that India's impotence in the air is the ultimate military cuckoldry. They have good(ish) relations with every major military manufacturer on the planet and can pick and choose what to buy. If those morons weren't morons they could be operating Patriots alongside S-400s with the source codes for both and integrating them together, instead to my knowledge their strategic air defenses consist of promises that they're totally going to have great air defenses by 2020. India is a disappointment to me as a /k/ommando because I want Ace Combat shit with squadrons of Su-27s operating aongside export new production F-22s. I know F-22s legally can't be exported, but US law is fucking meaningless these days, so if they weren't retards they could totally swing it. Those retards don't even have AEW&C planes. North Korea has AEW&C planes and their GDP is a fucking rounding error away from not existing at all.
>>64149987
STFU retard. Fucking Indonesia bombs brown people with no air defenses. Does that make Indonesia some sort of major air power? You're just awful at assessing who is good or bad at anything.

>>64150003
>Does that make Indonesia some sort of major air power?

Indonesia currently has
>Brazilian Embraer EMB 314s
>British Hawk 200s
>South Korean T-50s
>Russian SU-27 and SU-30s
>American F-16s
In active use
They also have on order
>French Rafales
>South Korean KF-21s
>American F-15EXs
>Turkish KAANs

If that doesn't make them a major air power, no country is

As a proud Chinese men, this arrives me of hope.

>>64149987
what's funny is i have heard very little fanfare over the fact iranian air defense had a lot of modern chinese radars in it. which proved to be utterly fucking worthless besides for target practice. israel had the pick of the litter being able to put a bomb on the forehead of anyone above ground in iran if they felt like. they went and killed various top brass and then the replacement guy for that brass and then that replacement's replacement. it was the most catastrophic failure of air defense since 1991 iraq and it was all to blame on russian/chinese equipment.

>>64150047
Having that many systems from so many different companies and countries is a fucking mess for logistics. That's a large part of why India sucks, they have so much Russian and western systems that they struggle to have datalinks with the different equipment.

>>64150070
From what I can tell, Iran mostly has russian radars and SAMs, very little chinese equipment

They aren't competitive against real enemies.

>>64148797
>Nearly
They only succeeded in making the pilot actually do something to avoid getting hit. For all we know he dropped one chaff packet and tilted the stick a bit.

>>64150232
>mfw the 3500 degree engine afterburning 30,000 pounds of fuel an hour is not invisible to a thermal camera
Do you realize how retarded you are making this point?

>>64148773 (OP)
Both the F-35 and the F-18 got RAFALED during that exercise: https://x.com/Armee_de_lair/status/1958143283344933111?

>>64150382

the rest is not invisible
at night, they can be detected from a great distance even with the nozzle(s) hidden

since the three farmers with outdated equipment managed to shoot down an F-117 so much progress has been made

the F-35 is only useful against countries that are poorly equipped or have too large a territory to defend Iran etc

And only thanks to infrared.

infrared + passive radar
ready to rumble

https://www.hensoldt.net/products/twinvis-passive-radar-surveillance-of-noiseless-objects

https://ordersandobservations.substack.com/p/passive-detection-and-chinas-counter

hundreds of billions of dollars have been thrown out the window in recent decades

>>64150047
The EX would replace everything else on this list, Indonesia should get rid of the Boramae, the Rafales, and the KAAN if they're getting EXs.

>>64150562

yes

and during other exercises, a french attack submarine virtually sank an american aircraft carrier

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/rubis-class-french-nuclear-sub-sank-navy-aircraft-carrier-207875

the americans don't realize it yet, but their entire collection of aircraft carriers would be sunk within 48 hours in the event of war with China

>>64150232
>>64150575
>>64150581
oh no, I am demoralized

Rafale > F-22
F-4 > Rafale
This means:
F-4 > F-22
THE DAD IS STILL NOT RETIRING

>>64150232
Now let's see how it looks 100km away.

>>64150575
Let me circle back to >>64148869, Chang. And by the way it's 2 trillion dollars, not only a couple billion cause uncle Sam can afford shit you can only copy.

>>64150611

a country like China probably has infrared detection cameras scattered throughout the regions it needs to defend, to complement the work of its passive radars

obvious

>>64150625
China is competing with the united states in a penis size contest
it's like owning thousands of nuclear warheads....it's useless

>>64150634
Fuck off you're that same retarded anon from earlier

>>64150581
>exercises

Arguing about fighters is so pointless
>muh dogfighting
If its not BVR someone already fucked up big time. And no, I am not going to go into details about who and what is better at real air combat.

>>64149840
spot the /sea/faggot: the game

the usual french cope continues
but it seems even funnier after their latest indian demonstration

>>64150577
Malaysia has complained that their F-18s can basically only be used for air shows since they would need the source code in order to program them to attack other countries. I've heard that's why India never seriously considered getting the F-35. So getting rid of all their other planes when they get EXs would be a bad idea, they still need something that can conduct strikes without permission from Washington.

The F-35 is so gay and ugly, I just want to see the F-22.

>>64149465
Replace fighters, missiles and guns with soldiers, rifles and pistols and tell us how silly your position sounds.

>>64150575
>since the three farmers with outdated equipment managed to shoot down an F-117 so much progress has been made
no progress at all has been made, lmao, i like how you're taking that thirdie talking point as a "jumping off point" as if it was ever anything other than a fluke caused by a complacent flightplanner.
>m-muh infrared
doesn't work from 50 km away
>passive radar
doesn't work.

>>64151335
He's kind of right in that a LOT of Chinese overseas (like in Singapore or Malaysia) may dislike mainland Chinese, but they still see them as being worth supporting if they are in conflict against a non-ethnically Chinese opponent. It's very much a "I hate my older brother but nobody can mess with him except me" kind of situation

>>64148812
Is that why everyone and their mother are designing, building, or buying stealth aircraft? Germany is increasing their number of F-35s they're buying, along with the EU stealth programs they're designing now, as is chiner.

>>64148826
The F-35 completely shits on the F-16 in a dogfight. This is a scenario where they put the F-35 in the worst position possible where the Rafale starts behind the F-35, at velocities that handicap the F-35 and favor the Rafale, just as they did with the F-22. It's training for both the US and their NATO allies, not a real world scenario.

If you can't understand that the US routinely trains by putting their forces at a disadvantage in exercise, I don't know what to tell you. Also, look up the F-35s performance in Red Flag.

>>64149407
>multiple things must have gone horrifically wrong
And what you do then is what this training is for, idiot. The worse case scenario. When everything goes to complete shit, what the fuck do you do? Give up, or fall back to these training exercises, and pull that rabbit out of your ass and use that training to win and come back alive? Hope for the best, but plan for the worst.

What happens when you're all out of missiles, in an envelope that favors your enemies' fighter, with that enemy having the better position directly on your tail? How do you handle that mentally? How do you handle that strategically? What's your game plan? Are you going to freak out mentally, panic, and allow your enemy to kill you because you've never been put in such a disastrous position before? No, you've seen this in training multiple times, and it's not new to you. So, you don't freak out mentally. Okay, so you didn't freak out mentally and completely shut down. What's your plan now? Well, good thing we've trained this before, and I now know what I need to do strategy wise to get my F-35 in a position to where I have the advantage allowing me a chance at getting the gun kill against my enemies' fighter. This is literally what this is for: 1) Prepare your F-35 pilot mentally for the worst case scenario in a fight, and 2) allow your F-35 pilots to devise strategies that will allow them to gain the upper hand in the worst case scenario to allow them the best chance of getting a kill, or at least to get them in a position where they can break off the fight and make it home alive. It's a rather simple way of training that's been going on since Top Gun was started.

>>64149561
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZHf4zJLA2E

>>64152241
>This is a scenario where they put the F-35 in the worst position possible where the Rafale starts behind the F-35
That's weird headcanon. It's just a dogfight within visual range. When it comes to copes it's either that or the other plane using only 5% of their power and not activating the ayylmao anti gravity tech.

>>64150232
That's at airshows from less than 1km away...

>>64152348
>That's weird headcanon
See: >>64152316
Not headcannon, objective fact. It's a training exercise, meant to TRAIN your pilots for different scenarios so when they're in combat they can fall back on this training. It's literally Top Gun 101. Just because you're an ignorant idiot doesn't make it not true.

>>64152376
>. It's a training exercise, meant to TRAIN your pilots for different scenarios so when they're in combat they can fall back on this training. It's literally Top Gun 101. Just because you're an ignorant idiot doesn't make it not true.
That's your headcanon that it was an exercise meant to favor OPFOR to that degree. We don't know shit besides the laws of probability telling us it was just as likely Rafale started with the F-35 behind and above it.

>>64152396
>We don't know shit besides the laws of probability telling us it was just as likely Rafale started with the F-35 behind and above it.
That's just your headcannon to cope with the Rafale being a shit fighter. There's a reason they can only post one 10 second clip from this exercise, and not 5-10+ clips from the other engagements we all know they did. They didn't only do one engagement, and it didn't only last 10 seconds. The laws of probability tell use they didn't win in the other engagements, and the best they have is one ten second clip from one engagement.

>>64152454
Correction: a FOUR second clip. KEK

>>64152358

at high speed, the aircraft lights up like a star in the sky at a great distance

but thanks anyway

>>64152396
>That's your headcanon that it was an exercise meant to favor OPFOR to that degree.
Also, I never said the whole exercise was to favor the OPFOR to such a degree. I said this individual engagement was a scenario to favor the OPFOR to that degree. The exercise will have dozens of engagements for a number of different scenarios. Some will favor blue, and some will favor red, and some will be neutral to blue and red. With each scenario being run multiple times within the allotted timeframe given for each scenario when this exercise was being planned. Again, there's a reason we only have one four second clip from one engagement for a multi-day exercise with dozens and dozens of engagements.

>>64152517
>at high speed, the aircraft lights up like a star in the sky at a great distance
Proof? At what speed, and what is the temperature? What is the radiant wavelength of said heat? What is the environmental absorption of said IR radiation? At what distance is it visible in what wavelength?

>>64152517
Holy fuck Chang can you stop writing in poetry as if this is Water Margin? Also stop reddit spacing.

>>64152358

at the 5th second, the plane turns into a supernova while flying at subsonic speed
from tens of kilometers away, a good camera can see a small white dot
since there are no stars in our atmosphere the stealth aircraft is no longer stealthy

>>64152454
>there's a reason they can only post one 10 second clip from this exercise, and not 5-10+ clips from the other engagements we all know they did
Most exercises have sparse footage. There are many exercises where you hear of F-35 dabbing on other planes and not footage at all too.
>The laws of probability tell use they didn't win in the other engagements
They actually tell us nothing here.
>>64152518
>I said this individual engagement was a scenario to favor the OPFOR to that degree.
That's just sophistry and exactly what I said.
> Again, there's a reason we only have one four second clip from one engagement for a multi-day exercise
Your reason is merely assuming that some random pilots were also assholes trying to smear American planes cause butthurt/whatever. If you assume any decency you wouldn't post footage of your one win after 10 losses, especially if the other side could counter it by posting footage of you losing 10x more.

>>64152555
>at the 5th second, the plane turns into a supernova while flying at subsonic speed
>since there are no stars in our atmosphere the stealth aircraft is no longer stealthy
Holy fuck

>>64152556
>Most exercises have sparse footage. There are many exercises where you hear of F-35 dabbing on other planes and not footage at all too.

>They actually tell us nothing here.
They tell use that this was the only win.


>That's just sophistry and exactly what I said.
No, you specifically said this exercise. Not this engagement, this exercise. There are many engagements in an exercise. Learn the difference ESL shitskin copelord.
>Your reason is merely assuming that some random pilots were also assholes trying to smear American planes cause butthurt/whatever.
The pilot has nothing to do with this getting released. It was released by Dassault to shill the Rafale as they're really, really desperate to get sales in a world where everyone and their mother is buying or building 5th gen stealth fighters.
>If you assume any decency you wouldn't post footage of your one win after 10 losses, especially if the other side could counter it by posting footage of you losing 10x more.
The US would never ever in a million years post videos from engagements during an exercise, nor would the US ever talk about the specifics of an exercise and engagements within. The US doesn't want to embarrass their allies, nor do they want to give away performance parameters of their fighters or their allies fighters. It's called having couth. Dassault has no couth, and have already been caught bribing countries to buy their shitty fourth gen fighter that costs up to 2x the price of an F-35A.

>>64152555
See: >>64152531
Also, please learn English. It's extremely hard to parse what you actually mean from your shitty google translated writing.

>>64152241
>>64152348
the americans always get handicap cause the mock fight ends bvr to the americans every time. there is never fly what you brought in these mock fights, cause they are too one sided without handicaps on american hardware.

>>64152639
Pretty much. Even in close range fights, the F-35's EODAS system allows them to fire an AIM-9X in high off boresight.

>>64152609
>>64152636
Well, since you're too stupid to converse with me about IR sensors, I'll just go ahead and dump my cards for others to read.

>>64152752
Go easy on him, anon. He ran out of deepseek tokens mid conversation.

>>64152609
>No, you specifically said this exercise. Not this engagement, this exercise. There are many engagements in an exercise. Learn the difference ESL shitskin copelord.
There is no dictionary definition stating an exercise is composed of engagements for you to use.
> It was released by Dassault to shill the Rafale as they're really, really desperate to get sales in a world where everyone and their mother is buying or building 5th gen stealth fighters.
Locksneed going by the same logic would release counter footage. Again self defeating bullshit since now you're saying that the footage isn't easily released.
> It's called having couth. Dassault has no couth
You literally just boiled your argument to USA GOOD DASSAULT BAD IGNORE EVERYTHING ELSE. Also it's not up to the plane manufacturer to censor exercises between two sovereign countries.
>>64152639
>Americans always win retard
>*losses another war*

>>64152757
>A Tutorial on Electro-Optical/Infrared
(EO/IR) Theory and Systems
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA586864.pdf

>F-35 Air Vehicle Technology Overview
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/eo/documents/webt/F-35_Air_Vehicle_Technology_Overview.pdf

>Aircraft Infrared Principles, Signatures,
Threats, and Countermeasures
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA566304.pdf

>Missile Design, Development, and Systems Engineering with Gene Fleeman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A8GgnXHIAg&t=2388s

>>64152858
>There is no dictionary definition stating an exercise is composed of engagements for you to use.
An exercise is composed of a multitude of engagement and scenarios. This is literally the definition of a military exercise.
>Locksneed going by the same logic would release counter footage.
Again, the US would never ever release footage of them dominating in an exercise composed of them and their allies. LM doesn't need to release footage of them dominating allied fighters; they already have enough data out in the public, and classified test data available to allies interested in buying the F-35 to speak for LM's F-35. Dassault is extremely desperate for sales, so, they have to do these underhanded tactics to desperately bring in export sales of their 4th gen fighter in a 5th gen world. Even with Dassault sinking to this level, they don't get any sales.
>Again self defeating bullshit since now you're saying that the footage isn't easily released.
When did I say it wasn't easily releasable? The US could do it in 1 second, but they won't as they don't want to embarrass their allies, nor do they want to potentially give away strengths and weaknesses of US and allied fighters. As I've said, the US has couth, something frogs lack.


>You literally just boiled your argument to USA GOOD DASSAULT BAD IGNORE EVERYTHING ELSE. Also it's not up to the plane manufacturer to censor exercises between two sovereign countries.
It is when the country building the Rafale is desperate to boost their domestic fighter programs as they're floundering, and need external sales for cash injection to their fighter programs.

>>64148860
The captains dog eats the cookie and the houthis will understand everything

>>64152951
>An exercise is composed of a multitude of engagement and scenarios. This is literally the definition of a military exercise.
It's literally not in a general dictionary, since you called me an ESL an all. Now you're looking like a fool complaining about ACKSHUALLY military jargon.
>Again, the US would never ever release footage of them dominating in an exercise composed of them and their allies
Once again no argument but USA GOOD.
>Even with Dassault sinking to this level, they don't get any sales.
https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/group/press/press-kits/deliveries-order-intakes-and-backlog-in-number-of-new-aircraft-as-of-december-31-2024/
>As of December 31, 2024, the backlog includes: 220 Rafale (164 Export, 56 France) versus 211 Rafale as of December 31
They sell them faster than they can produce. Lying much? Anyway with this we can agree that the whole argument is done since Rafale sells well.
>When did I say it wasn't easily releasable?
Because it has to go through Dassault officially (it doesn't) instead of someone just posting it.
>When did I say it wasn't easily releasable? The US could do it in 1 second
They could but they won't is by definition not easily releasable.

>>64152998
>It's literally not in a general dictionary, since you called me an ESL an all.
You should contact NATO and tell them they're wrong, because your non-military dictionary tells you an exercise isn't what they say it is.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49285.htm

>Now you're looking like a fool complaining about ACKSHUALLY military jargon.
Yeah, imagine me using military jargon for a MILITARY exercise... Who could imagine that. Evidently, not a low IQ ESL shitskin.

>Once again no argument but USA GOOD.
US good, yes. Problem, shitskin?

>>Even with Dassault sinking to this level, they don't get any sales.
>https://www.dassault-aviation.com/en/group/press/press-kits/deliveries-order-intakes-and-backlog-in-number-of-new-aircraft-as-of-december-31-2024/
>>As of December 31, 2024, the backlog includes: 220 Rafale (164 Export, 56 France) versus 211 Rafale as of December 31

Because they are shit at producing them. Even your link proves this. See:

>21 Rafale (14 France, 7 Export) were delivered in 2024, 13 Rafale (11 France, 2 Export) delivered in 2023

The F-35 annual production rate is 156 units. Almost a 10-fold production rate compared to the Rafale.

>They sell them faster than they can produce.
>30 Export Rafale were ordered versus 60 Rafale (42 France, 18 Export) in 2023.
Evidently not, as orders decreased by 60% compared to 2023 figures...

>Lying much?
No, I'm not you.

>Anyway with this we can agree that the whole argument is done since Rafale sells well.
No they don't.
>Because it has to go through Dassault officially (it doesn't) instead of someone just posting it.
"Someone" didn't just post it, it got posted by France to try and boost Dassault sales.
>They could but they won't is by definition not easily releasable.
Being easily releasable has no relation to making a conscious decision to release something. You can easily KYS, but you make the conscious decision not to.

Now suck my nuts and cope, you ESL retart.

>>64153140
>You should contact NATO and tell them they're wrong, because your non-military dictionary tells you an exercise isn't what they say it is.
>Yeah, imagine me using military jargon for a MILITARY exercise... Who could imagine that. Evidently, not a low IQ ESL shitskin.
You're still utterly confused by using "exercise" as a generic term and lacking the reading comprehension to catch up to that.
>US good, yes. Problem, shitskin?
Whiter than you pablo. Fucking France is actually whiter than you.
>Because they are shit at producing them. Even your link proves this. See:
Which still means they don't need even more orders.
>The F-35 annual production rate is 156 units. Almost a 10-fold production rate compared to the Rafale.
>https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-features/Delivering-Excellence-110-F35s-Delivered-in-2024.html
France (70m pop) delivered 21 planes in 2024 vs USA (350m) delivering 110 planes. Per capita their production rates are actually nearly equal.
>Evidently not, as orders decreased by 60% compared to 2023 figures...
Wow the notoriously volatile military orders fluctuated and they only sold 150% of their annual production capacity? 30 is still faster than their 2024 production rate but you obviously aren't good at numbers.
>No, I'm not you.
You got caught red handed.
>"Someone" didn't just post it, it got posted by France to try and boost Dassault sales.
Good job contradicting your previous claim about Dassault releasing the video and about these videos being released further.
>You can easily KYS, but you make the conscious decision not to.
You can easily release classified materials too, but there are consequences for it like kysing your carrier, retard.

>>64153233
>about these videos being released further.
*being easy to release

>>64152900
Forgot to post one more. Here's a good overview on the history of IR sensors and their military use (you have to download the article):

https://dsiac.dtic.mil/state-of-the-art-reports/the-history-of-forward-looking-infrared-flir/

I'll go ahead and post all the volumes of The Infrared and Electro-Optical Systems Handbook, too.

>Vol. 1
>Sources of Radiation
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA364020.pdf

>Vol. 2
>Atmospheric Propagation of Radiation
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA364019.pdf

>Vol. 3
>Electro-Optical Components
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA364017.pdf

>Vol. 4
>Electro-Optical Systems Design, Analysis, and Testing
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA364024.pdf

>Vol. 5
>Passive Electro-Optical Systems
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA364023.pdf

>Vol. 6
>Active Electro-Optical Systems
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA364022.pdf

>Vol. 7
>Countermeasure Systems
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA364021.pdf

>Vol. 8
>Emerging Systems and Technologies
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA364018.pdf

>>64153233
>You're still utterly confused by using "exercise" as a generic term and lacking the reading comprehension to catch up to that.
Only a low IQ ESL would try and use a Webster definition in the context of a military exercise. Cope all you want, you are wrong, and I am right. Deal with it.
>Whiter than you pablo. Fucking France is actually whiter than you.
I guarantee you're not Whiter than I am. Would you like to compare Whiteness, you inbred shit colored mutant? Here's my superior White DNA to prove it.

>Which still means they don't need even more orders.
Sounds like cope to me. Just because they're shit at manufacturing them doesn't mean they don't desperately need orders to lower per unit prices and inject money into their fighter programs so they can increase R&D, expanded production facilities, etc.

>France (70m pop) delivered 21 planes in 2024 vs USA (350m) delivering 110 planes. Per capita their production rates are actually nearly equal.
The F-35 is 10 times more difficult to produce, as it's 10 times more advanced than the 4th gen Rafale. It's not comparable.

>Wow the notoriously volatile military orders fluctuated and they only sold 150% of their annual production capacity? 30 is still faster than their 2024 production rate but you obviously aren't good at numbers.
Cope, cope, cope. Sales in '24 were 60% less than '23.

>Good job contradicting your previous claim about Dassault releasing the video and about these videos being released further.
So, you honestly think Dassault doesn't have pull in France's government, and there aren't people in the French government trying to help their only fighter program? You must be completely retarded. Which, doesn't surprise me with you being an ESL shit colored mutant

>You can easily release classified materials too
Like France did to benefit Dassault?

>but there are consequences for it like kysing your carrier, retard.
>KYSing
lol lmao even, my ESL shit colored fren.

>>64148797
>after israel flew over iran uncontested for two weeks
>it's piss poor proxy ALMOST shot down an f-35

>>64153323
>use a Webster definition in the context of a military exercise.
Kek you retards call everything a tank. Only a total autism would complain about calling one dogfight an exercise.
>I guarantee you're not Whiter than I am. Would you like to compare Whiteness, you inbred shit colored mutant? Here's my superior White DNA to prove it.
>he fucking fell for a Jewish data collection DNA test
Failed the whiteness test so early. I am white cause my I look like everyone else in my 98% native born country. Something you could never comprehend.
>The F-35 is 10 times more difficult to produce, as it's 10 times more advanced than the 4th gen Rafale. It's not comparable.
Massive fucking cope right after getting destroyed in yet another goal post move
>Cope, cope, cope. Sales in '24 were 60% less than '23.
Even your math is wrong since 60 to 30 is a 50% decrease. Really putting those """white""" genes into use. Did you copy that 56 and me results from your classmate?

Still proving that Dassault is selling more than it can produce and not desperate for anything.
>So, you honestly think Dassault doesn't have pull in France's government, and there aren't people in the French government trying to help their only fighter program?
Stop moving goalposts. It's up to the government not a random contractor to release data from some exercise. Nobody is bribing 5 politicians because USA lost another exercise fight.
>Like France did to benefit Dassault?
>Muh evil Dassault again

Also yeah KYSing is completely grammatically correct English and you should be complaining about carrier vs career.

>>64153399
>Kek you retards call everything a tank. Only a total autism would complain about calling one dogfight an exercise.
Only an idiot would think an exercise is one engagement like you did.

>he fucking fell for a Jewish data collection DNA test
Here comes the shit colored mutant cope... Maybe go back to /pol/ where you shit colored mutant infested like you did all White countries and ruined it.
>Failed the whiteness test so early. I am white cause my I look like everyone else in my 98% native born country. Something you could never comprehend.
And yet, you can't prove you're White... Would you like to do timestamp hand pics instead, fellow White man? I know you won't as you're ashamed of your shit colored skin. Here's an old one until you post yours, and then, I'll be happy to post an updated one.

>Massive fucking cope right after getting destroyed in yet another goal post move
The F-35 isn't 10 times more complicated to produce than the Rafale? Holy shit you're retarded.

>Even your math is wrong since 60 to 30 is a 50% decrease. Really putting those """white""" genes into use. Did you copy that 56 and me results from your classmate?
My math is right. I'm going on export sales only. I don't care how many France ordered. Export customers ordered 18 Rafales in '24 compared to 30 in '23. 18/30*100=60.

>>64153501
PART II and that hand pic

>Still proving that Dassault is selling more than it can produce and not desperate for anything.
That means nothing. Just that they can't produce Rafales for shit - even when 90% of the Rafale is foreign parts. Say thank you, US, for making me parts for my fighter because I can't.

>Stop moving goalposts. It's up to the government not a random contractor to release data from some exercise.
Dassault isn't some random contractor. It's France's only fighter producer and the number one military contractor France has. That's like saying LM doesn't have pull in the US gov. Come on now. This just makes you look like a complete disingenuous liar.
>Nobody is bribing 5 politicians because USA lost another exercise fight.
No, they're bribing foreign customers to buy their POS fighter. They're conspiring with the French gov to release positive propaganda to increase sales, which in turn helps the French gov.
Dassault is up to their eyeballs in corruption scandals as far back as the 70s.

https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/law/prominent-belgians-are-sentenced-agusta-dassault-corruption-scandal
https://www.nytimes.com/1976/09/26/archives/the-scandal-in-dassaults-missing-dossier-theres-sex-bribery-and.html
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/mediapart-dassault-aviation-used-false-invoices-to-bribe-middleman-for-sale-of-rafale-to-india/articleshow/87582251.cms
https://tribune.com.pk/story/137400/defence-contract-dassault-executive-accused-of-bribery
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/middleman-got-bribes-from-rafale-makers-in-2007-2012-report/articleshow/87594357.cms

>Muh evil Dassault again
Yes. See above.

>Also yeah KYSing is completely grammatically correct English
Kill your selfing is grammatically correct English?

> and you should be complaining about carrier vs career.
I would've if I could understand your ESL writing and know what the fuck you were even trying to say.

>>64153506
And another, newer one.

>>64153517
And an eye pic for good measure

>>64153520
And timestamped with my ID.
>>64153501
>My math is right. I'm going on export sales only. I don't care how many France ordered. Export customers ordered 18 Rafales in '24 compared to 30 in '23. 18/30*100=60.
I'm sorry, a 40% decrease in export sale year-on-year.

>>64153506
>even when 90% of the Rafale is foreign parts. Say thank you, US, for making me parts for my fighter because I can't.
Shit, I confused one turd for the other. My bad.

>>64153506
>>64153517
>>64153520
>>64153525
kek

>>64153506
>>64153517
>>64153520
>>64153525
Very believable rajeesh

These dogfight contests are retarded. Can't see any credible scenario where a Rafale and an F-35 would be engaged in a one on one dogfight. Yes, a 5th gen multirole fighter should still be able to dogfight but it's like saying tank crews should still be able to operate rifles. It's a last resort that means you fucked up multiple times already if you come to this point.

But I understand it's the only thing they can do since no one wants to show the real capabilities of stealth tech, radars, IR and optical detectors, countermeasures, ECM and so on...

>>64153525
>>64153520
>>64153517
>>64153506
Why are you posting timestamps and shit from years ago? NTA, but what the fuck are these supposed to even show? That a random white person posted on the internet a few years ago?

>>64153399
Also, you're fighting for Dassault when it's solely run by a fucking kike. TOPKEK. With your mention of MUH JEW DNA bullshit, I take it you hate kikes. Why would you shill for a kike billionaire? One that was caught bribing French gov officials like you claimed didn't happen. What a fucking idiot carrying the kike's water for them. Shill some more, I bet mr billionaire kike will give you a shekel or two for your time...NOT. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://www.france24.com/en/20130916-french-billionaire-senator-dassault-paid-votes

>>64153542
Would you like to post yours? I'll be happy to give you an updated one.
>>64153552
See: >>64153501
>Here's an old one until you post yours, and then, I'll be happy to post an updated one.
I'm not going to waste time making a timestamp, taking a pic, uploading it to my comp from my phone, and then posting it for some shitskin just to run away or copepost a billion excuses why he can't post his. Understand now, my retarded fren?

>>64153536
???

>>64153562
>id be happy to give you an updated one
then post an updated one

>>64153570
Sure, once you post that shit colored claw of yours. We both know you won't, as you're extremely ashamed of your shit colored skin. Must suck to hate yourself.

>>64153572
sorry to break it to you anon, but as you have correctly stated that anyone on the internet is brown until proven otherwise, you are brown until proven otherwise too

>>64153619
See, just copeposting. We both know you're a shitskin ashamed of his shit colored skin. What does it feel like to hate yourself and be ashamed of your ancestry?

>>64153624
instead of getting drawn into an argument, i'm just going to point out that exactly what you have accused me of, you accuse yourself in turn because of what you've said here >>64153572

you wont post hand because you can't post a non brown one btw

>>64148773 (OP)
Oh boy is it that time of the year where fucking retards on the internet talk about something that happened in a military exercise as if exercises are some kind of international martial arts tournament?

>>64153662
>>64153624

>>64148797
I nearly fucked your mother.

>>64148812
Explain to your handlers that we aren't stupid

Stealth doesn't mean invisible or undetectable, it just means you can't shoot me before I can shoot you, ground based air defenses are already at a disadvantage due to the physics of shooting a missile from the ground vs shooting it from an flying platform, stealth multiplies that.

>>64153506
Hahahahahaha you posted gripen thinking it was a rafale hahahahahaha
>90% of imported parts
The Rafale is the only western plane with 0% US parts allowing the frogs to export it to any shithole asking for it without being bothered by ITAR

>>64148812
Stealth is so useless that the US was able to bomb Iran for a full night with subsonic bombers

>>64154046
>The Rafale is the only western plane with 0% US parts
it does rely on US parts though retard

>>64154226
Here, talk to a bot you don't deserve any human attention
https://chatgpt.com/share/68a7dba7-4c5c-8005-aa07-9334284494c9

>>64154490
>copes with ai
kek, must be a jeet

>>64154046
>The Rafale is the only western plane with 0% US parts
>Beyond the Scalp, the Rafale itself relied on American auxiliary power units, lighting systems, fuel nozzles, wheel brakes and brake controls, transducer, electro-optical and passive electronic components, cabin systems, canopies, fuel tank sealants, corrosion inhibitors and various mechanical components and electrical power systems.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/rafale-american-inputs-needed

>>64154509
>>64154490
Cope

>>64154506
Probably. One thing's for certain, it's brown and ashamed of it's shit colored skin.

>>64154490
>Source: AI
lol you retard. Try asking ChatGPT how many genders there are next.

>>64154506
>>64154520
I also asked it to expand on its answer since the jeet purposely limited the ai's answer kek

>>64154536
Yeah, along with munitions.

>>64150382
>>mfw the 3500 degree engine afterburning 30,000 pounds of fuel an hour is not invisible to a thermal camera
So they're detectable via IRST which Euro, Russian and Chinese fighters are all equipped with?

>>64151721
The F-22 already got rekt by the Rafale though: https://youtu.be/KOswfrc7Xtg?

>>64154927
Incrediblè

>>64152215
Germany is buying the minimum amount of f35 planes because they need to be able to deliver old b61 as part of their nuclear sharing agreement. Their Tornadoes are too old, new planes licensed for b61 are sparse.

Stop making this retarded shit up about it. The EF is still gonna be their workhorse. And they're not interested in expanding f35 beyond that purpose.

>>64155138
>Germany is buying the minimum amount of f35 planes because they need to be able to deliver old b61 as part of their nuclear sharing agreement. Their Tornadoes are too old, new planes licensed for b61 are sparse.
Germany is increasing their F-35 order by 15 planes once they figure out their budget and planning. Furthermore, it was in the context of everyone buying, or designing stealth aircraft for future use, just as Germany is doing with the FCAS program... Not one country - besides poor coping shitholes - is sticking with 4th gen non-stealth platforms for future use. Which was my whole fucking point. Way to be a complete retarded, though.
>Stop making this retarded shit up about it.
What, that even Germany with this so-called stealth beating technology is buying stealthy F-35s, and designing a stealthy fighter in the FCAS program for future use? Seems that the mere mention of the F-35 makes you seethe like no other, though.
>The EF is still gonna be their workhorse. And they're not interested in expanding f35 beyond that purpose.
Only because they don't have the money to buy more. They're cucks with an abysmal military budget, having to use brooms to train, and running out of ammo because it's too important to give that money to shitskin inbreds instead of investing in their military. The commies in charge think the world is all sunshine and rainbows, and they don't need a military. With that money, instead, being better spent on giving Mehmet, his three wives that are also his cousins, and their 10 inbred hellspawns 4000 Euros a month in cash and a free house to live in.

>>64149407
>explain how the F-35 dogfighting is good training
it's good training for the F-35 because it teaches the F-35 what to do if it really fucked up

not so much for the opponent because duh they've got a faster more maneuverable plane if they can make it to the merge of course they've got the advantage

>>64149465
>USAF Phantoms (with gunpods and later gun)
>k/d = 3.25 : 1
>USN Phantoms (never had a gun)
>k/d = 5.71 : 1
turns out that if you let retards with no air to air combat training fly planes into air to air combat they get shot down.

>>64154506
>>64154536
>using LLMs as sources
do shitskins and zoomers really do this? like do you understand the underlying technology at all?

if you're gonna cite an AI ask it to give you links to actual sources that can be traced to something more fungible than a randomized sampling algorithm running on an NVIDIA A100 2 seconds ago

>>64151326
That cockpit is kino, imagine the views

>>64154922
Up to about 30 miles out, 15 if the burners aren't on, sure. Doesn't mean they'll be able to get a targeting solution. IR systems aren't exclusive to those fighters too, the F-35's EOTS mogs them all.

>>64151695
We learn the hard way after failure of Project PERISTA. The Americans are cannot be completely trusted as the Malaysian sees how the mighty American have to kneel before their economy "partner". The Singaporean lobby.

Malaysian MiG-29 and Su-30 purchases are inherently affected by US export policies. Missiles Americans are willing to sell for US made fighters for Malaysia or Indonesia will always drag couple model generations behind what they have sold to Australia or Singapore. The real reason why RMAF bought MiG-29's is because Americans refused to sell 'em AMRAAM's for Hornets. US strategic partnership with Singapore basically means that US will not supply anything to Malaysia that would pose serious threat to Singapore. They literally approved sale of AMRAAM's to Malaysia only in 2015 and amount was like 6 captive training missiles, 10 live missiles and option for another 10 missiles.

>>64151695
Contrary to what people say, Malaysia bought russian and american aircraft out of necessity, not simply because of shit and giggles. For years malaysia had been denied access to more modern aircraft because the US is playing favorites with singapore, philippines and thailand. At one point they just said "fuck this" and went to the russian instead. America putting both Indonesia and Pakistan under military sanction really spooked Malaysian decisionmaker hence why they're willing to buy russian made equipment which is generally cheaper and russia is willing to accept almost anything as payment.

>Malaysia wanted more F/A-18
>Malaysia looking for second hand USN/USMC F/A-18
>Uncle Sam said no. Instead offered up F/A-18F
>Malaysia tempted to buy F/A-18F but didn't want to surrender their existing F/A-18D as part of buyback option
>Deal went dead
>Suddenly US came back and "hinted" that they may export F-35 for Malaysia if they could permanently stationed their F-15/F-16 in Malaysia because reasons.
>Malaysia said "take that F-35 of yours and shove it up your ass" subtly

Til now American suffering loses because Malaysian opened the market gate for Russian and European arms sales on SE Asia and destroying the American arms sales monopoly.

>>64151695
Singaporean lobbying to the US is to blame. Singapore basically bribes US Congressman to block the sale of the latest US weapons to SEA. Malaysia originally wanted to buy Korean K1 but was prevented as the FCS is American and require congress approval and clinton administration essentially stonewalling the process which forced malaysia to look elsewhere for its tank programme and bought Polish PT-91M instead. Same when we wanted to buy F-15s but were forced to buy Mig-29 and Su-30. We managed to get F/A-18Ds though, as the US wants us to use it against the Chinese navy.

Despite the fact that Malaysia is a larger and more strategically important country when it comes to countering the PRC in the South China Sea, the US ... has chosen to favor Singapore diplomatically and arm it with latest equipment like F-35 and HIMARS and give them basing rights in Guam. While Malaysia's armed forces facing budgetary constraints. Yet US only provides token assistance to Malaysia such as donating maritime surveillance radar, coast guard ship and MPAs. Just because Malaysia in the past adopted a principled neutral stance and refuse to support illegal US war in Iraq, Israeli genocide in Gaza and condemn Russian war in Ukraine.

>>64152204
Ironically, Singapore are nothing but a Chinese bitch. Just another Chinese province. Don't agree? Just look at who in charge of Singapore Armed Forces.

>>64151695
Eventhough the US bribing Malaysia not to join BRICS with sale of F-35, it wont be easy for them if the US Congress keep trying to meddle in and trying to approve it only with terms. Although both countries are friends, Malaysia is not that close with US, unlike Singapore , which the US gave much favour too. Also, Putrajaya (Malaysia) did not recognized Israel and dont have any Diplomatic relationship with Tel Aviv. Unlike Singapore which is the strongest supporters of Israel's war against the Palestinian people. So, you can do the math why Malaysian prefer to get 2nd hand F-18 from Kuwait as a temporary "stop-gap measure" only, as a temporary filling in the procurement of fifth or sixth generation fighter jets that will begin in the 14th Malaysia Plan (RM14 & RM15) 2030-2040.

of course, it's dangerous if the weaponry leans more towards the west, especially America, the strangest policy is, the fighter jets have been purchased but their use requires permission from them. For F-18 Malaysia, the Malaysian technician was not given the source code for the settings when there was a mission, they had to report to America first. And again, Turkiye, just because they bought defense equipment from Russia was kicked out of the F-35 program, remember that before Indonesia was embargoed, the Air Force was paralyzed.

>>64148781
>>64148778
yes, it had the lunenberg lens on and was within BFM distance so it's just the usual impotent posturing from the frogs after losing 3 rafales.

>>64148797
Kek, shitskins are funny

>>64155543
>>64155545
>>64155550
>>64155553
What the fuck is this copy and paste spamming CCP stooge squealing about this time? Same old copy and pasted bullshit for the last 5 years.

>>64149561

Malaysia fighters jet & pilot is far more superior then our neighbours country . I saw what they can do and proud enough to say

>>64155765
>my shit is less stinky than your shit!
Yeah, that's great and all, but it's still shit.

>>64155670
It's the usual Malaysian coping and seething. For some reason they think the Americans are unreasonable to sell gear to Singapore, and not to them, when Malaysia has defence procurement arrangements with both the Russians and the Chinese when Singapore doesn't.

I mean literally today in Malaysia
>RMAF F-18 crash in training
>image leak of RMAF mig29s rusting on a runway

They're having a bad time as is.

>>64156349
He must also be coping extra hard that the biggest ever Cope Tiger was held this year which included both their neighbors Thailand and Singapore in an elephant walk of 21 aircraft

>>64156944
The skidmarks on that runway is causing me physical pain

>>64155254
You're the one making up ridiculous shit over like 20 f35 and a dozen sparepart corpses and training aircraft. There's like a handful of better examples you could have brought up but you literally chose the one country that specifcally only bought it for nato commitment and not because it performs well.

Protip: None of the countries looking into fcas development will buy a significant f35 fleet. It doesn't make sense, not even as a temporary patch for the 4th gen - > 6th gen skip.

>Dozens of BFM scenarios held in a single flight.
>Only point to the single "victory" while ignoring the other dozen times you lost
Remember that showing off your BFM "victories" is inherent thirdie brownoid behavior. The jeets tried to claim they mopped the floor against F-15s in the Su-30s until the USAF was forced to come out and say that India specifically requested that AIM-120s wouldn't be used in the simulation and the jeets were forced to formally apologize.

>>64158000
Holyshit, stop foaming at the mouth like a Pavlovian conditioned inbred mongoloid, every time you read the words F-35. It seems to really set you off when you wee F-35+Germany together. Why? It screams of mental illness, seriously.

>You're the one making up ridiculous shit over like 20 f35 and a dozen sparepart corpses and training aircraft.
What, exactly, and I "making up"? How is stating the objective fact Germany is buying the F-35 because it's stealthy, and designing the FCAS to be stealthy, too? Maybe stop seething because you see F-35+Germany together, lower that heart rate, and actually read what I've posted in the context of the posts I was replying to.

>There's like a handful of better examples you could have brought up but you literally chose the one country that specifcally only bought it for nato commitment and not because it performs well.
They specifically bought it because it's the only stealth multirole fighter that's capable of carrying a tactical nuclear gravity bomb. And the only tactical nuclear multirole fighter with a guaranteed ability to fly into highly contested airspace within Russia and China and deliver said tactic nuclear gravity bomb. They could've bought the F-15E second-hand, but we all know it doesn't have the ability to fly within Russia or China uncontested to deliver the B61. They bought it specifically because of its stealth features, and the benefits of having a stealth fighter gives them. Which, also, why they're designing the FCAS to be stealthy from the jump. I specifically brought up Germany AND CHINA because the retard mentioned Germany's and China's supposed "major advances in passive detection" making stealth virtually obsolete (see: >>64148812). Hence, me replying directly to his post asking why, then, is Germany buying F-35s, along with pursuing a stealth fighter in the FCAS program. Just as China has built, and are building nothing but stealth platforms for future use (see: >>64152215).

>>64159486
>Protip: None of the countries looking into fcas development will buy a significant f35 fleet. It doesn't make sense, not even as a temporary patch for the 4th gen - > 6th gen skip.
Let's be honest, it's because none of them can afford a significant F-35 fleet. I would say, though, for the size of Germany's AF 35 F-35s already ordered, with the potential to increase that number to 50, is a pretty significant fleet. Wouldn't you say? It's nearly 16% of their total fighter fleet (not counting the potential extra 15 they may order). If you want to only go by German fighters that are combat capable, that number is 39 EFs, and 26 Tornados, for a grand total of 65 combat capable fighters out of their fleet of 221. So, that order of 35 F-35s compromises 54% of Germany's combat capable fighter fleet. Seems pretty significant, to me. No? Frogs will never buy the F-35 because they're asshurt frogs, and it would destroy that unearned sense of superiority they have. Spain is too poor to afford F-35s, so that was never really an option for them.

But, let's be honest: the FCAS program is going to fail, or it's going to be a shell of what the program claims, and will be a basic 5th gen larping as a 6th gen. Why in the fuck is Germany going to but a carrier capable fighter when they have no carrier, and can't afford to keep their fleet of EFs airworthy anyway? And how are they going to afford a $150 million fighter designed for carriers just to appease frogs? Spain, again, is too poor to afford the F-35, they're definitely not going to afford the FCAS (if by so chance a miracle occurs and the FCAS fighter is actually built) that will cost at least $150 million per unit. The same for France, how are they going to afford a $150 million fighter? Just hoe many of them can Germany, France, and Spain afford? The FCAS program was doomed to fail from the start.

>>64159488
>If you want to only go by German fighters that are combat capable, that number is 39 EFs, and 26 Tornados, for a grand total of 65 combat capable fighters out of their fleet of 221.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/germanys-air-force-dying-slow-death-25157

>>64148797
sauce? gay if fake

>>64154927
>Imprèssivè

>>64156349
Nothing stopping USA from having good relation with Malaysia. Just stop support for Zionist occupation regime in Palestine and illegal invasion against Iraq, and trying to sanction neutral countries that have relations with Russia.

>>64159488
FCAS seems like a big cope project to me because how does one skip a full generation of institutional knowledge and make something without that experience? By the pace it's going, it's going to be done 15 years after the NGAD reaches service and by then the US will already be flight testing their 7th gen.

>>64159682
France and Germany have more experience with fifth gens than the GCAP partners (UK, Italy and Japan), where none of the companies involved (BAE, Leonardo or Mitsubishi) have any experience as part of the original JSF design program or assembling F-35s locally

>>64159691
Did you get everything about your statement mixed around? BAE and Leonardo were directly involved in the F-35 JSF design program since the CDP in '95 and 2001. Italy assembles F-35s locally at Cameri
, so does Mitsubishi in Nagoya. The UK is the only Tier 1 partner that has real access to more than a couple compartmentalized non critical systems. Meanwhile France and Germany haven't built anything new since the Typhoon and Rafale entered service 25 years ago. They are so far behind it's not even funny.

>>64159682
the major selling point of "6th gen" aircraft is drones/datalink and both France and Germany have some experience with them
the technology they are not familiar with is stealth, though

>>64155559
and what the lunbergs have to do with a TV tracking you moron?

>>64159691
Like anon said, you got it mixed up. It's such an indisputable, obvious situation with factual evidence it can only be that. And it's truly dire in Germany's case, so much so they have zero (literally zero) leverage in the FCAS program. Being stuck with d*ssault.. I almost pity them, but then I remember they let the EF2000 rot for decades.

>>64160120
Are you that retarded?

>>64159706
>>64160280
I think it should be obvious from the very specific phrasing used that he was either being facetious or retarded on purpose

>>64150047
No way the actual buy all of that.

>>64148773 (OP)
who cares, anything with a meatbag inside is soon to be obsolete

and pic related wipes the floor with all of them, before any of them even saw it coming

>>64160562
>AESA
>IRST
>E-WAR offense/defensive
>RAM coatings
>diverterless intakes
>thrust vectoring
>PL-15's (they actually work BVR)

so why doesnt the f16 have a version like this?

>>64160562
>>64160631
implessive!

>>64160648
>implessive!
it honestly is

again, why isnt there an F16 equivalent of this?

>>64160746
Because those funds are better spent on 5th gen development and procurement. All of the modifications that you listed have flown on F-16's minus the PL-15 (instead, they use the most successful BVMAAM ever to see service)

>>64159653
>Neutral
>Relations with russia
Oxymoronic

>>64161125
ok...but China Gen-5'd their J-10's while simultaneously fielding the only publicly seen 6th gens (multiple of them infact)....... explain?

>>64160746
I can't tell if you're a wumao or a paki shitskin but either way you're retarded. If you're the latter, judging by the choice of photo, don't you pakis operate both of them with double the amount of F-16s to J-10s? So you just shit on the plane that consists 2/3s of your fighter component?
>>64160631
>AESA
Block 60s had them since 2003
>IRST
Had them since fucking forever
>E-WAR offense/defensive
The acronym is EW you fucking troglodyte, also had them upgraded since Block 60
>RAM coatings
>diverterless intakes
>thrust vectoring
what's the point of trying to retrofit a 50 year old airframe with all this shit when the F-16V manages to get a reduced RCS without RAM and the instantaneous turn rate of ~26°/s and a sustained turn rate of ~19°/s which is better than the J-10 sustained

>>64161537
>fielding the only publicly seen 6th gens (multiple of them infact)
a flying prototype is not a fielded aircraft

>>64160562
It can't even wipe its own ass. Much like most chinsects. Shitting in the streets like their poo cousins.
>>64160631
>AESA
Say thank you, for letting me copy your AESA radar, Israel! (see pic) Also, say thank you, Israel, for letting China buy the Lavi design and test data to make the J-10! The F-16 has the AN/APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar (SABR) AESA.
https://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/mission-solutions/radars/sabr-scalable-agile-beam-radar-apg-83-aesa
>IRST
A shitty one with a +/- 5 degree FOV, which still needs to use the radar to get a targeting solution for firing weapons. The F-16 has the LM Legion targeting pod with the much better, and newer IRST21 sensor.
https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/legion-pod.html

>E-WAR offense/defensive
What, exactly, is the J-10s EA (EW) suite, and what are its capabilities? The F-16 has the AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Countermeasures (ECM), and AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) systems. They're getting upgraded with the much more sophisticated AN/ALQ-257 Integrated Viper Electronic Warfare Suite (IVEWS), and allied F-16s getting the AN/ALQ-254(V)1 Viper Shield, along with having the AN/ALE-50 Advanced Airborne Expendable Decoy (AAED) systems since the '90s. Along with the ability to carry HARM missiles, and the AN/ASQ-213 HARM Targeting System (HTS) to geolocate threat emitters (radars) and destroy them.
https://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/mission-solutions/electronic-warfare/an-alq-131v-electronic-countermeasures-ecm-pod
http://home.tiscali.cz/falcon4/downloads/alq184.pdf
https://news.northropgrumman.com/ivews/northrop-grumman-integrated-viper-electronic-warfare-suite-cleared-for-flight-testing
https://www.l3harris.com/all-capabilities/viper-shield-alq-254v1-all-digital-electronic-warfare-suite
(AN/ALE-50) https://www.f-16.net/f-16-news-article1958.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/ASQ-213_HARM_targeting_system

>>64161757
>RAM coatings
Proof the J-10 has RAM coatings? I also don't see the canopy treated with a Radar absorbing coating, either. Funny. The F-16 has RAM, and also the much more important radar absorbing/blocking canopy coating. They got these under the HAVE GLASS programs. HAVE GLASS I was the canopy coating to block radar from entering the cockpit and reflecting off the pilot's helmet, ejection seat, etc that are giant EM source reflectors. HAVE GLASS II was adding RAM foam behind the radar structure, lining the intake tract, and painting F-22 derived RAM inside the intake and on 60% of the plane's forward facing surfaces. That RAM gave the F-16 a light to medium gray metallic sheen like the F-22, but didn't maintain too well. That's when they started painting them with RAM derived from the F-35 under the HAVE GLASS V (5th gen) program, giving the F-16 a dark gray almost semi-gloss finish.
https://www.key.aero/article/have-glass-making-f-16-less-observable

>diverterless intakes
Why does the F-16 need a DSI intake? Though, LM did design and install one on the F-16 to help with designing the F-35's DSI. The J-10 doesn't even have a true DSI, as it has boundary layer bleed holes inside the intake you pull the boundary layer away. Which, if designed right like the F-35's DSI, they wouldn't need, the compression hump/bump would do that for them. Same with the J-20, it has a boundary layer bleed system on its shitty designed DSI intake, too. Because chinsects can't into actual DSI.

>>64161773
>thrust vectoring
The J-10 doesn't have TVC, beside one airframe used at airshows for face reasons. Why would the F-16 need TVC, when it already pushes the physical limits with standard control surfaces and a sophisticated FBW system (something the J-10 lacks)?

>PL-15's (they actually work BVR)
The PL-15 works in BVR? Proof? What's its combat record? Got any footage of one used in combat? What about testing? The F-16 has the AIM-120D AMRAAM, which outranges the PL-15, and unlike the PL-15, has seen actual combat, and actually works as intended.

>so why doesnt the f16 have a version like this?
Because the US isn't poor, and don't need an "F-35 at home", the has an actual F-35. Also, the F-16 does have those features - well, the features that actually matter, and aren't just their for face. Now, are you done talking about shit you obviously know nothing about, you inbred shit colored pakoid mutant?

>>64161781
Song Wecong - the designer of the J-10 in Israel, with the Lavi design team looking over the Lavi. So, you can't tell me it isn't a Lavi knock-off.
>>64161537
>ok...but China Gen-5'd their J-10's
What the fuck does that even mean? I guess the US "gen 5'd" the F-16, and F/A-18 SH because they added RAM coatings and stealth features to them, then.
>while simultaneously fielding the only publicly seen 6th gens (multiple of them infact)
Chiner can't even mass produce the engine for their J-20, the WS-15, that would make it a true 5th gen, nor can they produce a radar comparable to the AN/APG-77 in the F-22 or the AN/APG-81 in the F-35 to make the J-20 a true 5th gen. And I've seen zero evidence that the J-20 has sensor fusion capabilities like the F-22 and F-35 have. And their sensor quality is highly questionable, and nowhere near the quality of the DAS EO/TS systems on the F-35. This all means that the J-20 isn't a true 5th gen, and is a 4th gen fighter/interceptor wrapped in a stealth body. The quality and materials of that stealth skin is questionable, too. Once Chiner can produce a TRUE 5th gen, then, you can claim they're producing 6th gens. Even those are highly suspect, and no, chiner isn't fielding them, they have built prototypes of questionable quality with no provable evidence that they're anything but a tailess fighter or medium bomber. IF they can't even build a true 5th gen, how can they build a true 6th gen?
>....... explain?
The explanation is you have no idea what you're talking about. Which, is a surprise with you being a low IQ literal inbred shit colored mutant pakoid, though.

>>64159682
>FCAS seems like a big cope project to me because how does one skip a full generation of institutional knowledge and make something without that experience?
They can't, that's the problem. The other problem is they do not have the funds to R&D and even produce the technology to produce a true 5th gen. Even the bongs acknowledged this when stating that the AN/APG-81 had a $900 MILLION R&D budget alone. That's on top of the money the US already spent on R&Ding and producing the AN/APG-77 which the AN/APG-81 built off and pulling a lot of tech from. The R&D budget for it had to be just as much, if not more. That's just one single component, a rather big one admittedly, to produce a true 5th gen. Not some reskinned 4th gen technologies larping as a 5th gen. Retards don't understand that it isn't just what the body looks like, and that that body is stealth that makes a 5th gen a 5th gen. That's only around 1/3 of what makes a 5th gen a 5th gen, the other 2/3s is the hardware under the skin, and the sophisticated software to run and bring it all together seamlessly. Something like 10 million lines of code just to get the JSF to block 2, and not even at IOC status. There's a reason only the US has fielded true 5th gens.

>>64161888
>Even the bongs acknowledged this when stating that the AN/APG-81 had a $900 MILLION R&D budget alone.
Here's the lecture in which the bong says this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTxUmxUYqcU

And one that mentions the coding that went into just getting the JSF initially working:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37nBqFHqL-g

>>64161907
Thanks for these links anon, this'll make for good background listening considering that there's a lot of new info in there.

>>64148773 (OP)
>we got a lock for half a second on the plane when it was directly in front of ours
>yes the rafale does get blown up by paki air but HYPOTHETICALLY it could be good, see we designed it for dogfighting which could hypothetically happen when we orchestrate it ahead of time
Demonstrates how the F35 is best in its class, all the competition can do is say "it blows us up yeah, but we could maybe blow it up if basically we were given a free shot at it"

>>64153525
>I'm sorry, a 40% decrease in export sale year-on-year.
If you read the source it says '24 was 30 export orders and '23 was 18 export Rafales and 42 for the French air force, my 70IQ brown friend.

>>64163766
>if you get a lock on a jet and shoot it down, it wins (this proves its superiority)
lmao canadian /k/ucks are unreal

>>64163795
>derek jeeters lost an entire fiscal quarters worth of rafales in a single paki engament

>the jidf tard foaming
lol