Thread 64164079

Aside from
>We kidnap chairforce families!1!1!!11
Is there any realistic solution for militias to counter a properly funded air force?

>>64164079 (OP)
Hiding, decoys, preventing recon through either direct intervention (shooting down shit) or by making it hell for ground command. Planes need good logistics to truly shine, a proper well armed militia/guerilla force should have no major issues hindering local activities, it is the long range higher altitude shit that's a problem.

Air power cant be around 24/7 in full force, if a guerilla group is to actually succeed, they will learn to camouflage their activities. This is easily done through the use of decoys, proper spacing of potential targets, and learning to work around the schedule of the enemy.

manpads

>>64164094
>Unobtanium

>Airplanes need a runaway
>Do lots of observation
>Bring in a ton of light mortars
>Start pounding the airfield
There you just killed an airfield.
Ukranians did that at the start of the puccian invasion(who had helos and jets).

>>64164098
mujaheddin had plenty and they were a bunch of dirt poor goat farmers

>>64164105
They also didn't really help them against a proper air force. Useful against helicopters though

>>64164079 (OP)
Destroy parts depots, cyberattack/disrupt their maintenance and supply systems, prevent any fuelers from making it on base, FPV drone their jet engines, mortar their barracks, mortar their flight crews every time they scramble, MANPAD them when they take off, cyberattack their pay systems, doxx the command and staff, destroy on-base power systems, kidnap the crew chiefs, spike the fuel, disrupt their tasking orders, gas the barracks, poison their food, kidnap their kids from the local schools, jam their comms, prevent them from from getting new encryption keys, destroy their encryption hardware, disrupt their staff’s network, cut off their HQ’s internet access, blow up their maintenance facilities, blow up their ammunition holding areas, drone the bombs and missiles once they’re on the jet hard points, kidnap their commanders, booby trap their fuelers, kidnap their spouses, prevent the pilots and mechanics from getting any sleep, keep the base on constant lockdown so they can’t fly, kill the ground observers, prevent them from being able to get any BDAs after strikes, blind the pilots with lasers, blow up or at least get smoke fire missions on the runways, kill all their cooks and poison their food supply, hijack their tasking orders and make them bomb civilians or friendly forces, etc.
Get creative with it, man.

>>64164079 (OP)
You come out of the woods with your hands behind your head.

>>64164124
Pussy

>>64164105
>Backed by the biggest state actors including the United States
>Dirt poor goat farmers
Yeah

>>64164079 (OP)
>>We kidnap chairforce families!1!1!!11
I honestly don't think that would work, that would just piss em off even more and cause them to fight harder, than you and your Organization get ass fucked and it turns any public support against you.

>>64164079 (OP)
Don't stand in isolated areas and rebel hotspots?
What are they going to do? Drop bombs on civilians?

>>64164238
I remember seeing some /k/ommandos saying they can and will do this if SHTF. The thread was some 2A ragebait asking what they are gonna do against B2 bombers. And we have one here too >>64164120.
But aside from that, I agree with you. This will probably drive away potential state actors glowies trying to help you with material support.

>>64164101
Attacks by special forces have been seen by some commanders as a way to level the playing field when faced by superior numbers or technology. Given the disparity in effectiveness between their own and South Korean and US fighters, North Korea maintains a large force of infiltration troops; in the event of a war, they would be tasked, among other missions, with attacking coalition airfields with mortar, machine gun and sniper fire, possibly after insertion by some 300 An-2 low radar-observable biplanes. This strategy has been practiced in active conflicts even in recent decades; during the asymmetrical warfare of the War in Afghanistan, 15 fedayeen destroyed or severely damaged eight United States Marine Corps Harrier jump jets in the September 2012 Camp Bastion raid, one result of which being pilots fighting as infantry for the first time in 70 years.[7] Similarly, during the Iraqi War, four Apaches were destroyed on the ground in 2007 by insurgents armed with mortar, which were unintentionally aided by web-published geotagged photographs taken by coalition soldiers.[8]

>>64164353
>after insertion by some 300 An-2 low radar-observable biplanes
Is this actually viable or is it worse than helicopter insertion? Would be kinda glorious to see (stealth) glider insertion return.

>>64164238
>and your Organization get ass fucked and it turns any public support against you.
Depends on how many civilians the air force is bombing. Kidnapping a family an O6's family isn't going to be frowned upon if that same O6 ordered a town to be flattened for whatever reason. "Public support" does not mean "we have to be squeaky clean."

>>64164364
>(stealth) glider insertion
I wonder if you can get a biplane to run using some sort of high-tech upscaled rubber-band engine?

What I mean is, ditch the internal combustion engine and use something powered by some form of potential energy such as compressed air or possibly even torsion with an appropriate material, something where the engine can be very low metal and mostly low-density materials.
Maybe even launched with a solid-fuel rocket which is discarded once burnt out.

>>64164238
I always hated this meme spouted by retarded edgelords
>we have been unjustly declared terrorists by the tyrannical state, how can we stop people from wanting to bomb us?
>oh, I know!
>just murder and torture som women and children!
>nothing can go wrong with this!

>>64164079 (OP)
Cutting the fuel supply by targeting refineries, can't fly a plane without gas. Aside from that you'd need some form of infiltration and sabotage to either directly damage the planes and the surrounding infrastructure or just have a maintainer on the inside who can say the planes have been serviced despite being long overdue for care. That or "accidentally" order the wrong parts and keep the birds grounded longer

>>64164079 (OP)
so your question is

Aside from the actual counter, guerilla tactics and terrorism (but you included sarcastic exclamation points for no obvious reason), is there any way for unsupported infantry to counter an object flying at 35,000 feet several miles away?

... no. I have a question for you, why did you feel the urge to ask /k/ this stupid question?

>>64164079 (OP)
yes
drones at taxi time

>>64164079 (OP)
Do nothing. Let them bomb suburban neighborhoods and show it on TV. The government’s legitimacy is rendered null with such a spectacle

>>64164079 (OP)
By being inbedded with the civilian population. Although recent history shows no one gives a fuck about droning 200 civilans to kill 1 guy anymore.

>>64165292
>we shouldn't get our hands dirty because the people calling us terrorists and locking us up forever might get angry with us
Quellcrist Falconer said:
>“The personal, as every one’s so fucking fond of saying, is political. So if some idiot politician, some power player, tries to execute policies that harm you or those you care about, TAKE IT PERSONALLY.
>Get angry. The Machinery of Justice will not serve you here—it is slow and cold, and it is theirs, hardware and soft.
>Only the little people suffer at the hands of Justice; the creatures of power slide out from under with a wink and a grin. If you want justice, you will have to claw it from them. Make it PERSONAL. Do as much damage as you can. GET YOUR MESSAGE ACROSS.
>That way you stand a far better chance of being taken seriously next time. Of being considered dangerous.
>And make no mistake about this: being taken seriously, being considered dangerous marks the difference, the ONLY difference in their eyes, between players and little people.
>Players they will make deals with. Little people they liquidate.
>And time and again they cream your liquidation, your displacement, your torture and brutal execution with the ultimate insult that it’s just business, it’s politics, it’s the way of the world, it’s a tough life and that IT’S NOTHING PERSONAL.
>Well, fuck them. Make it personal.

>>64165469
>make it PERSONAL
>that way people take you seriously
My point is that torturing and murdering people's families is not going to deter them from wanting to bomb you

>>64165491
>My point is that torturing and murdering people's families is not going to deter them from wanting to bomb you
I think the idea is not to be someone they can dismiss.
I more or less support this idea and it aligns with my experiences in politics.
If they can "handle" you then you don't rate a mention, if dealing with you has a cost, then maybe they negotiate.

>>64165520
>let's negotiate with the guys who murder and torture women and children as a matter of course
Yeah dude

>>64165542
>murder and torture women and children as a matter of course
Not as a matter of course, as a matter of revenge.
Why did you make that mistake?

>>64164079 (OP)
Preemptive spiderweb at every major installation, followed by further sabotaging operations.

>>64164079 (OP)
>Is there any realistic solution for militias to counter a properly funded air force?
It depends on your definition of "counter" but the Taliban did it.
They survived a well funded air force and made life hard enough for the occupation and their puppet regime to endure and then pop up again in full strength the moment the occupiers decided to leave.

The strategy is obviously to morph from militia into guerilla insurgency and then operate as such.
Maintain observation posts near every enemy airfield and provide warnings when patrol or strike aircraft take off.
Have other watchers track direction of aircraft and provide warnings to regional contacts.
Infiltrate or recruit informants in civilian aviation so that you can track military traffic and leak this to the insurgency.

Ultimately, you have to go to ground whenever the enemy aviation is active and then pop up when they're gone.
And you have to keep this up for years, though it's much cheaper for you than for the enemy.

>>64165345
In theory. But I'm going to put a red hat on the blown up corpses and it becomes popular, supported.

>>64165550
>don't fight us or we'll murder your family
>were the good guys actually

>>64165606
his point wasn't to be the good guy, but to be the guy they can't simply ignore and dismiss

with how much you seethe at the prospect that crimes against civlians can be reprimanded by said civlilians i'd say he got that right.

>>64165626
Anon is switching from "you won't be effective" to "you have to be good guys" because that's how they keep us under control.
You can't speak up about what's happening, because that's "making a fuss"
You can't refuse to cooperate because that's "resisting arrest" or "obstructing justice".

It's always the enforcers that insist that we obey the law and keep quiet. That's their job after all.

>>64165606
>>64165626
Years ago, I was a minor official in a governing political party that sent police to beat the shit out of protestors, after repeatedly staging provocations using police infiltrators and isolated but brutal direct attacks which the protestors failed to overreact to.

The party had anticipated a rank&file protest to this and sent political hacks to their branches to "handle" the protest. They made sure most of the branches voted down the protest motions, got wording altered in others to water it down, only a handful of complaints went up to head-office where they got ignored because obviously, it was just a minority of branches, more passionate than most, that had strong feelings about the issue.
So absolutely nothing happened inside the party, not much outside either.

Letting yourself be handled, cooperating with the system, this makes you prey. And the predators who seek power don't give a shit about people like this, they eat them alive.

>american infrastructure is shit
>nightmare scenario happens and the super retard libshit government orders a few redneck neighborhoods destroyed.
>insurgents start thinking about kidnapping or killing the families of the people who order... hey who turned off the lights?
I would have shot every single transformer in every single street corner in DC from 500 yards away with my deer rifle.
Assuming its still possible to drive, i would have shot the transformers in every street corner in New York.
I would have then driven back to DC to see them try to set up new transformers and shot them as well.
I would find the little electric stations that are protected by CHAIN LINK FENCES and maybe tossed something flammable in there.
Hey is that crew trying to repair the ones in the more affluent part of town? They're moving targets and probably just innocent bystanders but you know what's not a moving target? That replacement transformer they have leaning against the pole.
I wonder how New York is doing with no power to the large population areas? Oh they set them back up, looks like its road trip time again.

>>64165626
>>64165686
Your point is retarded because targeting people's families will get you noticed, that's my entire point.
It's gonna make people more willing to bomb you and to buy propaganda that you're terrorists if you murder women and children you stupid fucks

>>64165746
Do it once and turn yourself in, you're a criminal.
Do it twice and get caught, you're a monster.
Do it three times and get ambushed on your fourth, you're a terrorist.
Do it repeatedly, over and over, every single time, and when you fail your buddy keeps it going, and when he fails the other guy keeps it going, you're suddenly not getting bombed anymore and the enemy is flying home while they left all their supplies in the airfield and its as if they were never here.

you cant say it wont happen because it has happened exactly like this several times, many even in your own fucking lifetime you dumbass.

>>64165775
>le Afghanistan
America isn't Afghanistan you fucking moron

>>64164079 (OP)
Shoot the fuel trucks

>>64165787
>terrorism never works but only if you exclude the dozen or so times that terrorism has definitely worked and was probably the best course of action because of the disparity in forces, which is what the argument is about

Yes, america is not set in the middle east and run by the taliban, you are correct. By simplifying my post into "america is afghanistan" you have correctly and quite soundly defeated my argument, much like how you can pummel a man made of straw.

>>64165746
>It's gonna make people more willing to bomb you and to buy propaganda that you're terrorists if you murder women and children you stupid fucks
if they are already bombing me then this is a well deserved response that will have an effect, despite bootlicking serfs like (you) crying over it until it's you who gets bombed and then thrown out like a used condom.

>>64165811
Did you forget the part where the US army had complete military dominance over Afghanistan for 20 years?

Yes, they left in the end but America isn't Afghanistan, where is the US army supposed to leave to retard?

>just surrender to the people who regularly murder and torture people's families
Yeah dude

>>64165433
>By being inbedded with the civilian population.
As you've said it yourself, doesn't work if you're fighting God's chosen circumcisers. They'll just massacre the civilians to get to you. And collect the foreskins later.

>>64165812
>hey man do you want to fight the tyrannical government with me?
>aren't you they guy who tortured and murdered that family recently?

>>64164079 (OP)
Plenty. Air Forces don't bomb HVAC vans, they don't usually spy directly on those who own them and what those closed boxes the owner brings from their houses into them. As for actual air force disruption, these vans can carry equipment shockingly close to airfield perimeters, then infils can take asymmetric weapons like molotovs to buildings and parked planes at awkward times. Lastly, resupply of the air bases can be harassed using traditional asymmetric means, helping ensure that billions of dollars of equipment is not operating at full capability. Capability collapses exponentially, not linearly.

>>64165843
>the us army will be completely alone and under siege Vs literally every single American citizen who operates in a hivemind to perfectly coordinate

>>64165257
This but big.

>>64165855
>block an HVAC with the Ford Focus you still have payments in while driving down the highway
>shoot the confused drivers
>toss whatever dumb bullshit they were carrying on the side of the road, fuck it
>fill the whole thing with gasoline from the gas station, use one of the dead guy's credit cards, of course you're not going to actually pay for that lmao
>drive the HVAC back into the base and take the road clearly marked thanks to OSHA right up to the target
>blow up the truck thanks to a brick on the gas pedal

bonus points if you have a single friend that can drive you back home.
This works once, twice, maybe a few times, then suddenly HVACs start getting shot at if they're too close to airplanes all over the USA, important vehicles are escorted, supplies get rerouted, troops get sent to help guard the base, maybe all bases, all of which is a big fucking strain, and that means less bombings on your neighborhood.

And it didn't need a magical hivemind of people, just one dude with a good credit and a car.

>>64165899
So your genius plan is to murder a random innocent person and then somehow enter a military base assuming that you won't get stopped at the entrance and then somehow manage to drive the truck to something worth blowing up?

>>64164079 (OP)
VX or Anthrax crop dusting using fpv drones. Dealer's choice on what weapon to use in particular based on which country is sending my scrappy band of ragtag fighters aid, but they're essentially the same thing for this type of use. The goal is to catch as many airmen on the ground unprotected as possible before they can cut the locks to the supply cabinet where all the JLIST suits are.
Can't scramble jets if all the pilots and maintainers are choking on their own saliva, and there is the added benefit of forcing the survivors to be stuck in MOPP gear for several days, which will have a strong effect on morale and complacency for follow up attacks.
source: just taught an integrated defense class and took a deep dive into how unprepared the Air Force really is for a CBRN attack

>>64166100
>You won't let us kidnap and torture civilians?
>Fine we will conduct biological terrorism
Edge knows no bounds.

>>64166100
Yeah bro, just pull some VX out of your ass lmao

>>64165828
>still parroting the same accusations while refusing any scrutiny of a tyrannical government and its instruments
i don't normally approve of torture but since you're such a disgusting kike that you'll project it onto everyone at every opportunity i'd make an exception for you and your family. you deserve to die a slow, miserable and painful death and then burn in hell for all eternity.

>>64166130
>nooo, stop fighting back, this is not faiiiir
>also defending yourself is actually torturing civilians, bet you feel stupid right now
what federal agency do you work for, rabbi?

>>64164079 (OP)
>Is there any realistic solution for militias to counter a properly funded air force?
Men on the inside. Do you really think there is any country on earth that has a military that would 100%, without dissent, fire on its own people?

It only takes a few rockets to make an entire airbase unusable.

>>64166172
>Do you really think there is any country on earth that has a military that would 100%, without dissent, fire on its own people?
there are a few

>>64166176
>Iran
>Russia
>China
>Best korea
>Worst korea
>All of africa
>Israel
Am I missing any

>>64165824
>Did you forget the part where the US army had complete military dominance over Afghanistan for 20 years?
>yet still failed to achieve victory and it remains the biggest stain on US military history
Lol. Lmao.
>just surrender to the people who regularly murder and torture people's families
Yes, the feds do this. No, you are not clever for brining this up. At the end of the day the US government has done nothing in the past 40 years to earn the trust of its citizenry, including those in the military which is why they did a soft purge in 2014. The true believers will hold onto the bitter end and those who were victims of circumstance will fade into the background. Its like you don't read any history.

>>64166193
SEA shitholes like Myanmar and Cambodia

>>64166172
>It only takes a few rockets to make an entire airbase unusable.
post-attack recovery is actually one of the few ground based things that the USAF is really good at and invests a lot of time and money into. Any ground based action needs to be focused on taking out either the people or the planes, filling a cratered runway or fixing up an alaska tent can be done in hours

>>64164094
can't reach aircraft flying at their usual altitude

>>64166153
Ooh watch out everyone!

>>64166262
Whoa dude you're such a badass man!

>>64164079 (OP)
planes have to land somewhere eventually, odds are they will be stationed in the country they're invading and will be within reach of a guerrilla group.
russia lost a good chunk of its airplanes and helicopters while they were parked at airfields.

>>64166381
>he chirped hoping this would distract from what was actually said
I remember when glowies could actually shitpost.

>>64166398
My point, retard, Is that if your goal is overthrowing the government or whatever then murdering and torturing innocent people isn't conductive to your goals, especially in a western society.

>>64166419
>murdering and torturing innocent people isnt conductive to your goals
Yet they are allowed to do it to us. Its actually how this theoretical event started.
But the moment we fight back, to actual enemy combatants and instigators, not innocents, then we are the real baddies

OY VEY

>>64166434
You fucking mouthbreather

You build a successful guerilla movement by building rapport with the population, not terrorising them.


>to actual enemy combatants
The entire discussion is about targeting non-combatants

>>64164079 (OP)
Drone bomb the air fields with weaponized RC jets that go 500+mph. You can take out helos and slow moving aircraft with these bad boys.

https://youtube.com/results?search_query=rc+jet

Just literally weaponize RC toys, upgrade your arsenal.

>>64166463
>building rapport with the population, not terrorising them.
what does killing the murderers of children and innocents and targeting their families has to do with this again?

>>64166463
you terrorize the enemy. Specifically the family and children of the enemy. The population knows that they are not targeted and will ACTIVELY CHEER at the flayed but still alive and screeching corpse of a child if it belongs to the person who bombed the local orphanage

>>64166475
>murderers of children and innocents
Ah so murdering the children and the innocent is wrong now?


>and targeting their families
So, is it or isn't it?

>>64166484
You write like a faggot 12yo who just discovered creepypasta. Go cool off.

>>64166419
>My point, retard, Is that if your goal is overthrowing the government or whatever then murdering and torturing innocent people isn't conductive to your goals
No. Your point was some snarky comment. History is made of violence. The American Revolution is littered with slaughtered families and burned farms on both sides including the men who signed the Declaration of Independence. You do not read history.
>western socitey
It's dead and we killed it.

>>64166469
/k/:
>Puccians can't deal with drone threats because they are retarded. NATO is properly armed with jammers and doctrines.
Also /k/:
>My dollar store RC car can raid USAF airfield

>>64166486
>now
the whole premise of this all was that government is doing it.
>So, is it or isn't it?
it's not wrong if it's reciprocated, then it's a justified response. well poisioning kikes like you are a special case and you specifically deserve worse.

>>64166494
The American revolution was a conventional war, not a guerilla war against a central government

>>64164154
if the US falls into widespread civil war do you expect China not to flood weapons through Mexico

>>64166513
any guerilla war is a conventional war once it snowballs into a large enough scale

>>64166505
No, the premise was that to defeat the is government, you're supposed to murder and torture their families to get them to stop fighting you.
Which isn't going to work.
If the government murders your family, would that make you stop fighting them, or would you fight harder? If your answer is fight harder then you see why it's a stupid proposition

1. Request their presence.
2. Airships with mounted
3. Muon beam.
Try fixing your fucking flight computer now asshole.

>>64166513
>the american revolution is the northern campaign
Thank you for confirming you do not read history.

>>64166525
>No, the premise was that to defeat the is government
that was not the premise, just your strawman.
>you're supposed to murder and torture their families to get them to stop fighting you
and this goes beyond a simple strawman. do you get paid to repeat this over and over like a parrot?

>>64166536
So enlighten me then what is it "actually" about?
Since you clearly know better than everyone in this thread

>>64166546
you're not "everyone", you're a single seething shill from reddir hellbent on turning this into a one sided straw manning fest and disrupting any discussion on reprecussions of attacking their own population for federal employees.

how much do you get paid? is it per hour or per post?

>>64166554
You're calling me a redditor while you write multi paragraph long masturbatory sessions about your gay ass edgelord fantasies

The OP asked what other options were there besides going after pilot's families and you fags immediately started with your shadow the edgehog shit

>>64166564
>You're calling me a redditor
i'm calling your for who you are. you even format your posts like a redditor, which is distinct from using paragraphs.
>while you write multi paragraph long masturbatory sessions about your gay ass edgelord fantasies
another attack on the same strawman you've latched to. aren't your departments full of fags and trannies these days? why not find yourself a partner among these instead of begging for it here?

>>64166570
>mentions trannies unprompted
Damn, I made you that mad?


So why don't you actually contribute to the thread instead of writing the same edgelord
>le just murder and torture them xddd
Shit we have every thread

>>64166581
>same strawman again
wow, you really must be a real tranny. i just used it as an insult to compare you to a disgusting disfigured abomination but you ended up being one. no wonder you're from reddit.

>>64165606
>were the good guys

Anon it's war. Do you think anyone has ever won a conflict while being morally clean?

>>64165746
>It's gonna make people more willing to bomb you

Anon there is no "more willing" you either getting bombed or you aren't and if you're getting bombed there's no getting more bombed, the glove has already come off.

>>64166513
Anon you're obviously and glaringly incorrect.

>>64166513
You do know that they would kill or maim loyalists to the crown tight? Even if they were civilian?

>>64166593
And if you want to stop getting bombed then going after families isn't the way to do it

>>64164101
>get within 20km of an airfield
>get shot and killed by guards
if you try and do it in wartime, then you will have to push through the frontline filled with troops before you even see an airfield

>>64166565
This

In light of OP being a glowie, here’s a good answer: militias will operate within civilian areas, so the collateral damage of any hypothetical Air Force strike would be leveraged by Russian Bot Nets and Domestic Extremist Messaging Platforms to erode the legitimacy of the US government since they would be engaged in killing their own people

>>64166683
>>64166565
>anything anti government is CIA glowops
Life must be pretty hard for you guys.

>>64165604
It becomes a lot less abstract when it’s a neighborhood just like theirs that got leveled.

>>64166800
lol “anti government”

Non zero chance OP is gonna make a powerpoint slide about this thread “I asked the autists at 4chan…”

>>64167065
>Please please please do not talk about how to potentially take out one of our assets
You glow

>>64165811
>america is not set in the middle east and run by the taliban
One of those things is definitely true.
The other is trying to turn women into baby factories with a little rights as possible.
America is currently ruled by a high-BMI Taliban that prefers red caps to pakols and turbans.

>>64165899
>put a brick on the gas pedal and have it drive straight at a base
I'm fairly sure that base security manuals are wise to the idea of a non-steering VBIED or even human-driven VBIEDs that rely on speed.
There's almost certainly a rule about not letting the entrance from the exterior be a straight line with a run-up.

Your brick isn't pulling a 90d turn off the highway and if you made it through a fence or gate anyway, it's not going to be a direct straight-line approach to the officer's mess or anything worth hitting.

>>64166176
>a military that would 100%, without dissent, fire on its own people
It's not even true of Russia.
In an invasion of Taiwan, there would be a small but significant number of Chinese defecting from PRC and possibly even from the PLA, sabotaging stuff on their way out.

>>64166463
>You build a successful guerilla movement by building rapport with the population, not terrorising them.
You probably have to do a little of both.
It's good for people to know the consequences of collaboration and of what happens if they turn you in but your buddy survives.

Mostly, you cultivate the support of locals by rescuing some people from arrest, breaking prisoners out of local holding facilities, taking revenge for atrocities and if circumstances permit, providing material support like food&water, phone charging stations, community out-reach stuff like that that the local authorities can't or won't provide.

The people who aren't local to you don't see all that because it's not reported in their news, they only see the propaganda so there's no preventing them from hating you but their hate doesn't directly affect you, you can terrorise them safely.

You need to operate like a NYC mafia, don't shit where you eat, keep the locals happy with generosity and compassion and a low-level awareness of how bad it is to fuck with you, then do your business in the next neighbourhood over.

>Aug 2025
>I am forgotten

>>64164091
Like this anon said, you hit them on the ground. Doesn't even have to be the aircraft. support vehicles, spare parts storage, fuel/ammo depots, radar dishes. Thermite is incredibly easy to make, and a few dozen of these can overwhelm an air field

>>64166367
that is why you set them up on approaches to runways, d-oh! run out some fiber optic, ez.

>>64167725
this
power drill to the kneecaps for pimps and drug dealers also works wonders

>>64166469
those things don't even need a payload, yep
hit a wing and it's good-bye, Shoshanna

>>64167730
>power drill to the kneecaps for pimps and drug dealers also works wonders
Realistically, you probably need to recruit the drug dealers to fund your resistance.
Some brutal vigilantism on pimps won't piss anyone off though and lets you show you mean business without anyone feeling like you're targetting them.

You're not short on enemies though so it's better to target officials and such unless you have some rookies you just need blooded on a conveniently soft target first.

>>64166132
putang will be happy to provide
no insurgency happens in a vacuum
even Kurds, who are landlocked, managed to get external support

>>64164079 (OP)
There are none.
Whatever you are doing other side with air superiority can do better.
>we gonna do terrorism!
>gets hes home and kids acked by JDAM

>>64164364
it's quite viable, nape of the earth for them means like 5 meters, no way you're seeing them on ground radar and even AWACS will have trouble with the clutter because they are so slow they can easily be mistaken for fast cars
hell on a windy day you can have your troops rappel down, those things have an insane stall speed, like 60 kph or something

>>64167734
oh, you don't kneecap all the pimps and dealers
just most of them, and have the rest laser-focus their bizness on contractors, military and government personnel

>>64166651
>>get within 20km of an airfield
>>get shot and killed by guards
Operation spiderweb was a thing you know.

Anyway i also wrote a way egypt if it pulled it off could beat Israel.
>Move a lot of abram tanks over the years to the border to israel
>Stockpile a shit ton of rocket artillery and cruise missiles
>Stockpile a shit ton of drones
>Stock pile some precision hypersonics
>Secure some way to gain intelligence on israel(be it people on the ground, chinas satelite)
>Have the neighboor of israel start attacking them and pull the army away frok your border hell even pleadge some support troops too
>Start war with cruise missiles on the airports and runaway
>Immediatly follow with a shitton of drones and rocket artillery
>As that happens have your tanks steamroll trough the front toward the airfield and park them there
>Have Mobile Short range Thermal SAMs move close in behind
>Since they are gonna move some planes toward makes shift runaways use your intelligence assets to bomb those too with hypersonics
>have your airforce run anti air OPs to protect the tanks and logistics
Once you run out of fuel its going to be though but youll have your IFV secure ground and the airfield which you could also use for your own Air ops.
After that Israels air capability should be sufficiently degraded that youd be able to continue the advance.
And read that i said it needs to do it in secretz and america doesnt intervene.

Fuck is an air force gonna do, go full Israel and bomb schools and hospitals? If it comes to that every last person touting a gov job or mil employment is already shoot on sight.

>>64167778
>>64167785
CIA derail & wellpoison bots

>>64167787
The fuck I am motherfucker. Gov mil goes full on hardware decimating the streets, you duty is to blast every last motherfucker with an association to it.

Anyway arent modern planes just Jdam/Stand off missile carriers, Since the surveillance aspect of it is done by drones and they dont use their guns anymore.
>Drone spots target
>Calls in artillery/Missile/Plane
Idk how they are any different.

>>64165859
I have seen this once, at an airshow in the late 90s. It was on a trailer, there were photos of the owner flying it. He decided it was too dangerous because the unwinding band shook the whole plane violently and he was afraid it would tear the plane apart. He had another experimental glider and an ultralight he had built exclusively with parts from Ace Hardware (and a salvaged motorcycle engine). I wish I still had pictures, all that stuff got lost in a move about 15 years ago.

>>64166588
>>64165626
In a civil war, your goal is to win support by showing the people that you can offer them a better life than whoever is in charge. If you start by raping and torturing people's families, the number of people willing to not rat you out will be very small.

You can only win if you look like the good guy. Public support is everything.

>>64168094
>laughs in summary execution of peasants caught hiding produce
>the laughter is internal

>>64167785
>Fuck is an air force gonna do
I dno, kill your little ragtag band of militia that is totally gonna stand up to an army with you not having any way to fight back?
What does this scenario even entail? Urban gorilla warfare? Probably just gonna get rooted out by infantry. Bogaloo militia running into da woods to resist da gubment, a fucking helo takes potshots at you and then survivors surrenders.

In a silly this side of the country vs that side, well then both have airforces.

>>64168055
If an inflatable rubber plane can fly, his engine less plane should definitely be able to withstand the vibration.

>>64168114
Insurgency is not like that. Cletus signs off from his day-job and goes to take a pot-shot at a checkpoint. Jamal sets up a soldier with an HIV-infected whore. Timmy sabotages the software running oil pipeline pump stations while pretending to fix a bug Ranjeet introduced.
it's a whole-of-society effort, there are no frontlines, no bands of muh litia to chase through the woods either, most you'll ever get to shoot at is the occasional 3 man drone team in a technical

>>64168055
He should have applied some sort of brake so the propellar doesn't spin so fast.

>>64164101
ya just "bring in" ""light mortar""

all these citizen militia plots fall flat the moment you realize getting explosives in america is hard

>>64166381
Lol

>>64168182
>citizen militia
i thought he said insurgency/foot soldier.
The talibans did that, he ukranians too.
Idk what to tell you nigga.

>>64166262
>the US government has done nothing in the past 40 years to earn the trust of its citizenry
Except, yknow, running a country that is somewhat functional.
Having electricity, clean water and food goes a long way.

>>64168395
>laughs in Flint, Michigan

>>64168398
Well, mostly.

>>64168398
Explain how Flint was the fed's fault.

>>64168131
>it's a whole-of-society effort
If it truly is a WHOLE of society, it's a non issue to begin with. If it's just some dinguses trying to be disruptive there'll be no need for the airforce to gun their sorry asses down, it'll be a police effort.

>>64164079 (OP)
By executing your own operation spiderweb against planes in airbases

>>64164079 (OP)
Tunnels, hide in civilian infrastructure, destroy aircraft in the ground with drones/sappers, harass airfields with shoot and scoot indirect fire, sniper attacks on airfields, attack logistics, disrupt supply, ect
The options are only limited by your imagination. Reminder the win conditions for both sides are not the same.

>>64165491
It’s about breaking them. You wont be on you a game mission planning / flying the sortie if you came home from the last one and you find your spouse looking like a fallout raider got done with them.

>>64168650
regulator capture

>>64168753
>If it truly is a WHOLE of society, it's a non issue
no bureaucracy will ever lay down and die just because its serfs want it to. even the soviet union, perhaps the most enlightened totalitarian regime ever, had to be bankrupted from the outside and corrupted from the inside before it gave up
>If it's just some dinguses trying to be disruptive there'll be no need for the airforce to gun their sorry asses down, it'll be a police effort.
yes

>>64164079 (OP)
Sneaky shit

>>64168848
>le break them xdd
Again with the edgelord shit

>>64168906
>Hmmm no planes here, only a bunch of tires

>>64168938
Nice counter argument

>>64168943
You literally have no point aside from an assumption that people will magically not want to fight the people who threaten their families

>>64168943
>no argument
>his argument is "I are invincible edgelord who is very scary"
Retards like you are why regan was wrong to drop asylums

>>64168947
>>64168968
I think you’re missing anons point. If your loved ones were harmed, would you have a good day at work?

>Do thing that was done succesfully by insurgent
>You are an edgelord
Do you have any other insult?

>>64168987
I feel like its feds that are like nooo u cant do that its not fair!!! Just let us bomb u with impunity!! Op asked, anon answered.

>>64168999
Idk man, it asked what a irregular force(guerrilias) can do.
The guy got angry when he was told what guerrilias/states without airplanes had historicaly done about enemies with air power.
idk what answer he seems to be wanting

>>64169005
he wants someone to tell him that he will be safe in the soft warm dark womb of the State, that there are ways to deal with the Evil Outside

>>64169016
>>64169005
>>64168999
>>64168987
This conversation looks so legit.

>64169107
>tagged 4 posts by 4 different posters

they're not sending us their best, are they?

>>64169107
Its the kinda talk the homeless man under a bridge has with himself

aww
poor widdle babby fedboy is scawwed

>>64169201
I'm sure the feds are frightened of a dude posting during working hours that can't even work up the courage to reply to someone.

>babby feddie getting angwy now
soon it will be time for the pacifier and a diaper change

>>64169226
>such a schizo you think feds care what you say here

>babby feddie starting to get scweamy
definitely time for a diaper change

>>64168650
the municipal government is under the authority of the state government, which is under the authority of the federal government.

>>64169388
Retard

>>64168977
Of course I wouldn't, in fact I would probably dedicate even more effort to killing whoever did harm to my family

>>64165491
They're already bombing you and your wife and your child and your neighbors and their wives and their children. But you won't consider killing their wife and child because...? You're a cuck? Violence is ALWAYS the answer.

>>64169674
>be drone pilot during civil strife
>come home and find family eviscerated
> commit war crime the next day
> turn more of the populace against you
See how that works for them but not you? Its not that difficult

>>64166646
If you kill enough families of pilots no one will want to fly, no one will want to even live on base because at any moment their family could die.

>>64167787
It reminds me of that federal court case where the fed left his (you)s visible in screenshots. He was also spamming off topic shit about Israel and mossad to stir up replies and derail an active shooter thread on a Chan board

>>64164101
Now what

>>64164120
read this in dagoth ur's voice i.e. the "KILL ARGONIANS" pasta

>>64169692
What populace? The one who was evidently willing to kill your family already?

>>64169782
rc boat loaded with hexogen

>>64169678
You are not wrong in ghat regard but you will keep getting bombed. Also how do you get their families?

>>64169692
>be other drone pilot
>hear how your buddies family got eviscerated by Johnny reb
>next time your commander orders you to level a building you do it with relish because youre killing people who are willing to do that to families

>Be guerrilia guy who joined because countrys shit
>Family get bombed by drone pilot
>Next time you catch an enemy soldier you torture him with bayonets
Yeah,

>>64169831
>tyrannical country uses horrific torture as propaganda against you
Reply to me like a man you pussy

>>64169782
You just fill a boat with explosives and drive it nearby the thing for days under the guess of Fishing or some shit.
When they come to near you just accelerate to that and explode yourself.

>>64169842
>What is guantanamo
Both the taliban and the US both did Le Good side to garner support and we will kill to demoralise the opponent.
Acting like its no true is severly retarded.

>>64169806
>>64169796
And then this is how it gets out of control and nobody wins. Everybody loses except some fat banker.

>>64169852
But it obviously worked with the taliban

>>64169802
>how do you get their families?
anon we live in a country where you can buy military, active duty or veteran, apparel and merchandise at gas stations and people are extremely proud to buy and display such things to show their support for their military family
>my neighbor's been gone for a bit and didn't say where he'd be going like he usually does
>neighbor's wife's car is always home and it has a bumper sticker that reads "air force wife"

>>64164079 (OP)
Guerillas are notoriously difficult to uproot even with air superiority. Vietnam, and the Middle East come to mind. Dig in, hide, be persistent, be as difficult as possible to wipe in concentrated strikes, decentralize command and act independently. Be irregular, be unpredictable, and by God, be fierce. Superiority in tactics and equipment means nothing when you can't kill fighters as fast as they're replaced, or disrupt their central command structure.
Aircraft are only useful in target-rich environments. First-strike on a near-peer. Aircraft do not matter in a years-long guerilla hunt

>>64169831
>Next time you catch an enemy soldier you torture him with bayonets
Not something you will be able to, because they just dunk you, simple as.
You get policed out when trying to hide in urban environments and just shot up in wilderness.

>>64170022
>laughs in Pashto

>>64170138
The taliban spent a generation dying in the hills against a force most of america forgot was there. If thats what you want, expect to die in the hills.

>>64170144
>laughs in Vietnamese

>>64170158
Again, another generation dead and filled with tumors to this day. Both examples not on the homeland, where you'd have collaborators.

>>64170165
>tumors
many mutts dead from Agent Orange. whole of vietnam is communist TO THIS DAY. you lost.
>muh homeland
whose homeland?

>>64166513
yeah a lot of major actions were fought conventionally

>>64170171
Ah, got it. Hi, hapa shill. If you wanna die for nothing in an unpopular uprising, feel free you muttified shame to your family.

>>64164079 (OP)
>Is there any realistic solution for militias to counter a properly funded air force?
No, we have no chance against the Mig-29's, IAR-93's, Mig-23's, IAR-330's, simple civilians with penis-foregrip AKM's can never win.

>>64170171
>"whole of vietnam is communist TO THIS DAY"
>Immediately picked a fight with Khmer Rouge
>Fought off Chink invasion
>Has McDonald's
>Has a stock market
Total cultural victory

>>64170183
whatever you need to be able to sleep at night, little fedboy
gotta grow big and strong for the birthingpersonland!

>>64170221
tell that to the hundreds of thousands of south vietnamese who died in labor camps lol
>dun' worry buddies, in 50 years there will be a mcDonalds on your mass grave
lmao

The syrian freedom fighter defeated A military eith airpower yes.

>>64170228
No really, schizos should be shot. Trump is right about sending you looneys to work camps.

>>64170289
>nu-uh, I'm not a pig just a random pigsucker
okay then

>>64170301
>t.mod of r/azean
Bark for me mutt

>>64170320
>r/
you need to go back

>>64165469
>science fictional character whose plot arc is about how a failed revolution led to huffing her own propaganda too hard to cope
>with a fantasy sequel about winning by deus ex, ruining everything and becoming the new boss worse than the old boss

What is it with edgy retards' propensity for missing the point?

>>64166616
Why didnt we burn down philadelphia then? Loyalists there lead to bennie arnolds defection.

>>64166570
You dont know what reddit spacing is newfag.

>>64170254
Turkey defeated syria.

>>64170426
I am not sure if they are well poisoning agents or mentally deranged edgelords at this point.

>>64168395
>Except, yknow, running a country that is somewhat functional.
I didn't notice.

>>64170426
>describes the TV show strawman instead of the book which actually made sense
Even in the show it only failed because of betrayal.
The core of Quelcrist's revolution was about how to wage long-term revolution in a world where the ruling class are immortal, death often doesn't take and identity is mutable.

>>64171558
do you have access to food, water, electricity and roads?

>>64168848
This reads like the reversed equivalent of
>If we just massacre ENOUGH suspected terrorists then the fear will surely bring them to heel!

Worked great historically (disregard Sri Lanka)

>lawl dawg we'd just be able to indiscriminately walk around and take potshots at airfield what is security? Also we'd just instantly disappear into the population who is of course 100% on our side all the time and no police action would never root us out.

I mean it's just say you're dreaming up an action movie, the happening boogaloo is a fantasy anyway

>>64172155
>the happening boogaloo is a fantasy anyway
For some people it's a fantasy, for others it's a psyop they use to turn an enemy population against itself.

>>64172155
>take potshots at airfield

The ukranians did that yes

>jamming doesn't exist
FPV's
>jamming does exist but the enemy is too incompetent to perform a perimeter sweep the moment something explodes
fibre optic FPV's
>there is jamming and the enemy is actually competent
pic related through the front gate and exploded next to where the ammo or spare parts are

>>64171558
>things are silly and sort-of annoying
>that means the government must be overthrown

>>64172237
Yeah and I am certain bubba gump militia industries will have the capabilities of the ukranian military.

>>64172267
Lmao, that VBIED isn't doing jack shit to a gate barricade
And you presume people wpuldnjusy let it saunter over to an ammo dump? It's not gonna do shit anyway since ammo dumps are compartmentalized bunkers

>>64172267
The humorous thing about edgy militia larpers is how reliably they're outdated. Their super tactic is always something which the government learned to beat in the last war. It's never something modern and no matter how they chestbeat about realism they subconsciously refuse it.

It seems to be a historical thing in America. 1990s militias larped like it was the 1970s, 2010s about the 1990s, 2020s about the 2000s. Its like their whole world is based on retired soldiers bar stories twisted to be 'but what if the other guys had somehow won!!'

>>64172365
Just like the British did that operation with local Ukrainian help, there would be state actors like China assisting a hypothetical civil war faction in the US

>>64172726
>the perfidious anglos did it!
lol,lmao even

A boog scenario is basically untenable for either side in the US so it will never happen. We can’t even indiscriminately kill goatfucker thirdies across the globe without the population turning against government. What goal are they working towards that couldn’t be achieved without pulling the ripcord on society?

>>64172790
>What goal are they working towards that couldn’t be achieved without pulling the ripcord on society?
Eliminating a whole other segment of society.

Of course, that's only because both they and the people they want to disappear are constantly being riled up by psyops from hostile geopolitical rivals.

>>64172733
>buzzword slop

>>64172805
Such as? Legal deportations are already walking a thin line and you think direct military action wont lead to a collective chimpout?

>>64172817
Feel free to cope with it actually being the british skullfucking a third of russian strategic aviation, but thats not what happened

>>64172825
>you think direct military action wont lead to a collective chimpout?
I'm not sure that's the question >>64172790 was posing.
They seemed to be asking:
>what is it that X wants to do that they can't do without a boogaloo?
I think the fact that direct military action would (or even just could) lead to a collective chimpout is kind of the point.

I'm reminded a lot in these threads of the radio hosts in Far Cry 2.
They were obviously based on the biggest Rwandan radio station which was explicitly founded because the other stations were too impartial and weren't taking sides. The RTLM station was created with massive reach through the nation, much more than any local station and more than newspapers, it was well funded and organised for blatant political purposes and featured constant propaganda between music aimed at the youth audience.
It was months of propaganda that shaped resentment against Tutsis and spurred the genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_T%C3%A9l%C3%A9vision_Libre_des_Mille_Collines#Prior_to_the_genocide

As one commander said:
“The only thing we Afghans need is the Quran, and more stingers.” >>64164094

>>64172830

This is about how similar to the British using Ukraine for stunts like that, foreign actors like China would be active over here. Try to read the context of the thread before deploying your buzzwords and script. This should have been your “countering domestic extremism” response script not your stupid /int/ bong land /lbs vatniks script

>>64172876
The British really do live rent free in your vatnik brain.

When strong, appear weak.
When weak, appear strong.

Airforce are susceptible against militia style forces.
But I'm not gonna tell you glowie fucks. Clean up master card, visa and PayPal, then we'll talk.

>>64172876
What I'm laughing at is the fact that you think the brits are using the ukes to do this shit instead of the ukes just doing it of their own volition.

>>64172888
sorry you can't buy loli rape hentai games on steam anymore, anon, that must be really rough

>>64172895
?
It's deny, deflect and defend, do I not get the full course?

>>64172890
>the glowie trying to convince people that he is laughing
I bet you wish there were downvote buttons on here like your main assignment on Reddit

You should be glad we’re talking about the successful British led operation not their embarrassing ones, like Krynki where they made ukes pile up dead on the same beach spot for months. China would do way better helping US civil war factions

>>64172887
It finally makes sense why they dress Zelensky up like a little bargain brand Churchill for his begging act

>>64172922
>warriortard tries to go a day wothout seething about britain
>>64172938
>fails spectacularly

>>64172918
what are you talking about schizo? im specifically saying your payment providers comment you just made makes zero fucking sense with no context

>>64172954
>he said warriortard
Watch the thread fill up with noguns euro shills and a bunch of posts get deleted

Its one of those madeup words they setup alerts for

>>64172967
Yes I'm sure it is, didn't you catch a ban yesterday during one of your sperg outs?

>>64172965
Behold /k/! The latest advancements in AI technology!

>>64172726
Right but they have actual infrastructure behind them as well. Are you gonna be a standing force or super cool ninja dudes operating in enemy cities on your own? You really can't have it both ways.
Civil war where it's the actual military against some uprising, just gets you bombed my dude.

>>64172999
yeah "boogaloo boys" / preppers would not stand much chance on their own. Guess the hypothetical situation was not clear, but I assume militias in this scenario would be some type of state defying the feds (like imagine gavin newsom with testosterone), or separatist movement, getting help from others who have an interest in the US breaking apart

>>64165491
Having my community bombed and my friends and family killed isn't going to deter me from wanting to kill their families in response. Do you know how war works?

>>64173191
>this shoe can never be on the other foot
absolute chinese lack of horizontal thought

>>64172938
>like a little bargain brand Churchill
You're centuries too late, the peak British trolling of vatniks is way earlier.

>>64173191
What if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>64171995
Sri Lanka fucked up so hard that they not only got their largest airbase in the country overrun by insurgents, the insurgents were able to achieve AIR SUPERIORITY over the base with fucking Cessna 172s. The pilots just orbited and threw grenades out.

>>64173215
Dressing zelensky up like churchill is not a "trolling of vatniks", it for groveling and begging your former colony

>>64164101

Not even that

>vast majority of Air Force Bases in the United States are poorly guarded, with only a small ring of security fences separating them from the outside world
>get an 18-wheeler, weld a bunch of hillbilly armor to it
>find suicidal enough retard to drive it
>plough through the security fencing and start ramming aircraft parked on the tarmac
>F-35s are fragile enough that even a glancing blow will render the $90 million aircraft a total write-off
>United States Air Force either has to accept the risk of losing billions of dollars in often irreplaceable aircraft to a couple of $150,000 trucks (of which tens of thousands are available for use) or has to start fortifying all of its bases and patrolling them with greater regularity, which sucks down huge numbers of personnel and materials

>>64173505
>Dressing zelensky up like churchill
I'm not sure Churchill actually started the trend, I think it's older than him but he was just the first leader who was doing it when broadcast television took off.
Quite a few leaders have done it since then, Zelenskyy is merely the latest.

Of course the reason why is more primal than you're suggesting but I don't expect a vatnik to understand concepts like empathy, solidarity, loyalty to those you command or for that matter, democracy.

>>64171995
>disregard Sri Lanka

>>64169831

IIRC the one time the Taliban actually managed to capture an American alive, they actually treated him relatively well.

>>64164079 (OP)
If you can access the bases or their logistics that is always the best option, if they are flying from territory you can't strike the options are hiding or pulling a Spiderweb.

>>64173538
>base just puts some HESCO barriers and spike traps on entrances
>retard driver gets ventilated

>>64164238
>I honestly don't think that would work, that would just piss em off even more and cause them to fight harder, than you and your Organization get ass fucked and it turns any public support against you.

The goal isn't to make the Chair Force guys already serving lose heart, it's to

>intimidate prospective enlistees, which in turn results in the Chair Force losing increasing numbers of men to natural attrition (retirements, non-renewal of enlistment contracts, removals due to disciplinary issues, etc.) and being unable to replace them
>increase turnover for high stress positions such as drone pilots (who already have a notoriously bad turnover rate)
>counter the United States government's narrative that it can simply bomb whomever it wants with total impunity
>sow the seeds of doubt in the politicians running the war by showing what will happen to them if they keep fighting and wind up losing
>induce defections (this usually happens in the later stages when the government is very clear a lost cause)

The Taliban used this strategy of targeted killings of personnel and their immediate families against the Afghan Air Force and it was highly effective at whittling down its effectiveness.

>increase turnover for high stress positions such as drone pilots (who already have a notoriously bad turnover rate)
The entire point of this discussion is that it would just motivate them to fight you harder instead of giving up.
Because giving up would mean the guys who torture and murder women and children would win
Get it through your thick mongoloid skull already

>>64173618

Turnover happens for more reasons than just a pilot losing heart. Increased stress leads to poorer physical and mental health,, which in turn leads to poorer performance and increased disciplinary issues, and thus increased likelihood of a pilot being removed by command.

>>64173618
Just let the schizo have his last stand hero fantasy before he inevitably 41%s himself

>>64166193
>Israel

The Israelis don't consider Palestinians "their own", but foreign pests (whether or not this assessment is fair is another matter).

>>64166281
>Myanmar

Actually, a fair number of the rebels are either Tatmadaw deserters or men who had previously served (Myanmar has conscription after all). Things got so bad that the Tatmadaw at one point offered and general amnesty and cash rewards for any deserters who voluntarily returned.

assassinate pilots. Theres only so many of them, and they take a lot of time and money to train.

>>64175070
They put the drone pilots in a base in a different country behind 3 layers of security. Now what.
Larpers are always multiple wars behind reality.

>>64176868

I'm not OP but I'm pretty sure the scenario he has in mind is a Second American Civil War where the bases that all the drone operators IRL fly their missions from are the battlefields so they can't simply hide on the other side of the ocean.

>>64173546
>democracy
Didn't realize this was bait until the last word of the post.