Thread 64243476

why did the gazan war plans not include defense of these?
you'd think the gazans would want to keep them given the economic importance

>>64243476 (OP)
so the hostages are effectively dead right?

>>64243476 (OP)
>gazan war plans
Yeah ummm see when your IQ is below 80 you can't do such things as "planning"

>>64243541
it would be detrimental to bibi if they weren't. the moment they are all confirmed dead any protest against the government and the military actions in gaza would immediately cease.

So, it happened AGAIN! We can blame Jews, we can blame air defense. We can praise Hamas effort. But the truth is, its simply not enough. Tactics, determinations you name it, it all stinks!

>>64243476 (OP)
Interesting, looks like a secondary explosion too.

>>64243476 (OP)
I'm genuinely interested to know what sort of plan Hamas has that causes them to not surrender. Is it really just "allah will save us?" Is that their actual fucking plan?

>>64243541
They tried to kill the negotiating team, they have no intention of saving the hostages.

>>64243773
imagine being so retarded that you still don't realize bibi needs constant war and antisemitism to keep himself in power to avoid jailtime

>>64243773
Probably just to hold out for as long as possible. Hamas won't win but the longer they resist, the more time Bibi will have to destroy the public image of Israel.

>>64243790
Nigger what the fuck does that have to do with hamas not getting steamrolled?

>>64243811
good morning sirs

>>64243476 (OP)
>that fireball
hit something spicy there for sure

>>64243788
>>64243541
somewhere along the way of manufactured outrage, the West "lost" the meaning of
>we do not negotiate with terrorists
it was not always thus. the entire concept of CT special forces was based on previous attempts by pro-Palestinian / Communist terrorists' hostage-taking during the Cold War. nobody ever cried about hostages being shot because CT fucked up and saying "hurr durr this means we have to negotiate and give them what they want"

>>64243773
Hamas will continue for as long as the liberal bleeding hearts cry about muh genocide; they're winning that war conclusively

>>64243773
Hold out for as long as possible
Hamas' only goal now is to stay maintain control of the gaza strip after the war (a "technocratic government" where they're not officially in charge but are still armed and thus maintain a monopoly over violence still counts as in charge)
The Israeli government is under serious pressure both internally and externally.
Internally it's opposition demonstrators demanding returning the hostages at all costs including folding militarily and the risk of elections after the outrageous fuckup that was Oct. 7th without a victory to show for it.
Externally it's mounting diplomatic pressure and the escalating risk of irreparably alienating the west.

So Hamas is gambling that if they can hold out long enough and contribute to these pressures (publishing hostage videos right before Israeli demonstrations and showing tent cities and children in Gaza to the world) Israel will eventually fold.

>>64243885
Can they still be called the CT forces if they purposely kill the hostages?

>>64243917
>implying CTs don't kill the hosties constantly
Never played cs_office, have you?

>>64243541
>>64243702
>>64243788
>>64243790
>MUH HOSTAGES
Russia has kidnapped thousands of Ukrainian children. Essentially hostages also.
Go ahead and scream that every Ukrainian shot fired at the ziggers is ENDANGERING THE HOSTAGES REEE

>>64243945
russians and israelis are basically the same people

>>64243964
According to Wikipedia, only 12.4% of Jews in Israel are of "Soviet" origin.
"Soviet" in this case including but not limited to Russia

>>64243964
unironically true. The israeli kibbutz were literal communist in nature, you couldn't own anything, not even your kids who had to be raised together.
theys stopped doing that only when they realized people who grow up together tend to not want to marry each others.

>>64243964
irrelevant

>>64244028
>who came from the ex-USSR in 1989 or later
Most of them fled the soviets before 1989

>>64244196
why?

>>64244344
why don't you try to explain why, in the context of the analogy posted above, Russians and Israelis being the same people or not being the same people somehow alters the conclusion?

>>64243476 (OP)

idf civillian targeting doctrine:
>The Dahiya doctrine, or Dahya doctrine,[1] is an Israeli military strategy involving the large-scale destruction of civilian infrastructure, or domicide, to pressure hostile governments.[2] The doctrine was outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot. Israel colonel Gabi Siboni wrote that Israel "should target economic interests and the centers of civilian power that support the organization".[3] The logic is to harm the civilian population so much that they will then turn against the militants, forcing the enemy to sue for peace.[3][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

>>64243773
>allah will save us?
even after all these years peoples in the west have such a fundamental misunderstanding of muslims
they do not consider their time on earth as life, they just see it as test to allow them to go to heaven for eternity, dying for islam is the fastest way to heaven
so yeah being killed fighting jews is the plan

>>64244578
Did they miss the part where the Jews are supposed to be the chosen people of the Abrahamic God they profess to worship? Or where the Messiah has already spread his testament and spilled his holy blood for the new covenant between God and Man?

>>64244578
Then why not just line up in front and get killed en masse if that's all they care about?

>>64244510
DO IT AGAIN HARRIS

>>64243773
>>64243906
Hamas (and Iran et al lmao) are absolutely getting their shit pushed in on the battlefield and absolutely winning diplomatically. I gotta chime in that I'm not one of those "IRAN SHOT DOWN FIVE F-35s" shitheads.

There's two important charts I want to post here. One, in the last year Palestine has won statehood recognition from the UK, France, Canada and Australia. For some reason the fuckers broke their 70 year stance and went "Actually Hamas rule looks pretty based right about now"

Of course, being /k/ we all know that no country on earth's opinion actually matters except for the US, which brings me to...

>>64243705
did the plan just not include those buildings? theyre the biggest ones in the city
why did they vote for the war then?

>>64244757
The partisan gap on the conflict has become astonishing. A few years ago there was a remarkable Zionist consensus in the US, but now an entire wing overwhelmingly just wants the Palestinians to win.
Given that partisan power swings are as predictable as the tides in the US election cycles, that means that Israel is three to eight years away from getting thrown under the bus like the Shah, Panama, South Africa, etc. by a future Jimmy Carter

>>64244770
>Given that partisan power swings are as predictable as the tides in the US election cycles,
No, not really.

>>64244775
>Israel will be fine as long as we get President Trump followed by President Vance followed by President Taylor-Greene followed by President Techno Mechanicus Musk

>>64244781
>non-American literally cannot comprehend how US governance works.
Many such cases.

You're also skipping over what the recognition of "Palestinian Statehood" actually looks like.
>Pro-tip: It isnt what you think it is.

>>64244785
You are accusing ME of not being American with your card being "Republicans will just win every election forever bro"
Get the fuck out of here

>>64244791
Did I say that Republicans will win every election ever? Or did I say that you were wrong in saying there "partisan power" swings were predictable in US elections.

Control of the House and Senate is actually thematic in US politics. Generally, parties tend to establish control of the House or Senate and hold it for long stretches of time. Further, per your own graph, Republicans and Independents have a stronger correlation than Independents and Democrats which means that indies will vote with Republicans on this issue and indies win elections. This means dem politicians will have to be pro-Isreal to get them indie votes if they want to stack up W's.

Get out of here with this nonsense and cope.

>>64244791
I think he's saying the dems will just get another old milquetoast dem in that will basically just do nothing. That is assuming gaza survives the next 4 years in any state that looks like what came before oct 7.

>>64243773
It's the same sort of plan that Hitler had in 1945 and the Japs had that same year.
>"Well, we lost. Let's use our cities and people as our funeral pyre."
I mean, this outcome was also entirely predictable (perhaps not quite how bad Iran and its Axis of Resistance got raped though).

If the Hezbollah disarmament plan goes through (which DESU, it probably won't) this will have been an unmitigated disaster for them. I would say that's extremely unlikely but Bibi has been so hot in war that he might end up helping, in which case its totally possible that the Lebanese army with Israeli support could dismantle Hezbollah. To be honest, it would be better for Lebanon in the long run.

Let's not forget that Assad also collapsed during this cluster fuck and Israel seized all the strategic land around the border to build forts on.

>>64244809
>Generally, parties tend to establish control of the House or Senate and hold it for long stretches of time.
This hasn't been true since Newt Gingrich. In the past thirty years the House majority has flipped five times and the Senate has flipped seven times (although two of those are an asterisk thanks to senators dying and switching parties in 2001)

>>64243773
Bibi doesn't want peace because that would force an election he will lose and then he goes to prison for corruption.
What Hamas wants doesn't matter if Israel isn't going to stop.
As for what effect the ongoing attacks are having Israel is increasingly politically isolated with only pressure for the US stopping santions so far, as the US continues to isolate itself this won't last forever.

>>64244810
I would imagine that a good portion of the population will ultimately choose to leave and that the remaining part will be forced into a smaller area with the border areas and north annexed into Israel.

Which is fucked, but to be fair the rule during 99% of history is that if you start a "genocidal war to the death" and lose you don't get to keep the land that gets conquered. Unconditional surrender was honestly their best plan for keeping Gaza through the end of 2024.

And to be fair, moving on might be better. The descendents of the 13 million Germans driven out of Eastern Europe in the 40s are fine. The million Jews driven out of the Middle East after 1948 are fine too. The Palestinians who became Jordanian are fine.

>>64243541
Here's the kicker about this conflict.
Nobody fucking knows, not even Hamas.
If Hamas had a total change of heart tomorrow and begged for unconditional surrender they would be able to release some hostages and tell Israel all the rest are probably dead in a collapsed building somewhere.
Israel would have no way to know that one or a dozen hostages aren't being raped in a tunnel for the next 2 decades until Hamas brings them out as leverage.
And a single Israeli hostage kept in reserve is worth more to Hamas's cause than literally any other resource they have, so Israel will only suspect duplicity.
I can't figure out how a peace can possibly be made.

>>64244770
you know how far-right conspirators are always making lists of how like every single person in the media has a certain early life section?
If Israel can find a way to make peace in the next few years after successfully utterly fucking up every mortal enemy they have in the region, the Palestinian cause will resonate more with the next generation of the West but I think not so much it becomes a dominant voice in politics any more than we went and killed Kony in 2012.

>>64244837
>Palestinians who became Jordanian are fine.
Now they are, but they weren't at the time. Theres a very fucking good reason no one wants to take these people in.

>>64244837
What disturbs me is how Palestinian expats safe in Western countries and other Arabs are absolutely, positively demanding that no one be allowed to leave, even has they say Israel is commiting genocide. How does that make sense? Why would you trap civilians in with their genociders? No one claimed anything like this for Rwanda, Syria, etc. "No, if the refugees flee instead of dying then the bad guys win!!!"

Only in this case do people say this. Meanwhile, there are videos of people desperately pleading to be let into Egypt and stories of people offering their life savings for low probability chances to bribe their way out. The whole thing is basically the very influential expat and Arab lobby saying "no, those kids have to stay there and suffer so that we have a cause for war to retake the Holy Land. Nope, we won't support them now, or next decade, or probably the next 5, but they will just have to fucking deal with it because we don't want to lose 'our' claim."

>>64244752
>DO IT AGAIN HARRIS

instead this time its 'shoshanna' and she isnt coping very well with the stress of being a genocider

>>64244315
You know what? fair enough
putting more than 1 minute of effort into Wikipedia gives me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Israel
>As of 2022, Russian-speakers number around 1,300,000 people, or 15% of the Israeli population.[3][4] This number, however, also includes immigrants from the Soviet Union and post-Soviet states other than Russia proper.[1][5]
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews
>According to Israel's Central Bureau of Statistics, in April 2023, of Israel's 9.7 million people, 73.5 percent, or 7.145 million, were Jews of any background.[51]
So "Russian speaking" Jews (including but not limited to Russians and including first-generation immigrants as well as their descendants) makes up ~18% of the Jewish population in Israel specifically

>>64244863
>The whole thing is basically the very influential expat and Arab lobby saying "no, those kids have to stay there and suffer so that we have a cause for war to retake the Holy Land. Nope, we won't support them now, or next decade, or probably the next 5, but they will just have to fucking deal with it because we don't want to lose 'our' claim."
Precisely.
Same logic behind "immigration":
>no we will not help our people using our copious amounts of oil money to settle in our under-developed lands, we want them to go to your nicely developed country, take it, and then vote you out
on the last point, the West is finally now coming up against the tolerance paradox for reals and hopelessly failing to cope

>>64244855
Of course. It didn't work out in Lebanon because they topped the country into civil war and carried out all sorts of 10/7 style massacres against their hosts (Christian and Shia). Kuwait ethnically cleansed their 500,000 Palies (really for no good reason) and Gaddafi expelled his because he was butthurt about two state negotiations instead of "total victory." But that isn't all on the Palestinians. When 1948 broke out there was no plan for a Palestinian state, just a race to annex land. But then Egypt and the others didn't let them become citizens (like Israel did) but instead forced them into squalid camps and held them under corrupt, violent military rule and told them they would have to "fight for their freedom." The problem isn't one sided, the Jews have obviously acted horribly at times and the Arabs were arguably even worse to their fellow Arabs. But no one gave a fuck when the Palestinians got ethnically cleansed from MENA countries just like they didn't care when the Jews got cleared out of 2,000+ year old communities. The sentiment seems to be "Arabs gonna Arab."

>>64244841
Y'know what? I completely respect your post. Thanks for helping me find someone on /k/ who isn't a fucking idiot, because I am tired of blind zionist cocksuckers and I am even more tired of everyone who isn't a blind zionist cocksucker being an illiterate delusional goatfucker. Also, if a single Israeli dies in the war I really do hope it's this guy in particular >>64244710 as he's one of those recognizable and prolific autists

It is a fun paradox that Israel's position in the Middle East is getting STRONGER as their position among erudite western governments weakens. As I said I'm not a shithead so I don't doubt that Iran got fucked up, the new regime in Syria is remarkably cooperative with Israel, and my favorite talking point over the last few days is that Qatar is somehow furious at Israel doing something they clearly wanted

Did you guys see Qatars' reaction to being bombed? "We are going to investigate Israel for bombing us"
Them's fighting words

>>64244757
>For some reason the fuckers broke their 70 year stance and went "Actually Hamas rule looks pretty based right about now"
Because they perceive jews as white and palestinians as black.

>>64244890
>I am even more tired of everyone who isn't a blind zionist cocksucker being an illiterate delusional goatfucker
so what's your genius peace plan then, Mr "Centrist"?
how's this: we give Hamas a small town with all working mod cons, as a gesture of goodwill, and let them prove their peaceful intentions, and go from there?
isn't that how all de-escalatory processes work? step by step, little by little

>>64243773
Surrender means the end and deportation of palestinians because all negotiation offers by israel are either "hey please sit here in the palm of my hand and we promise we will be nice" or just an excuse to bomb their diplomats. You don't surrender to an enemy that doesn't want to negotiate.

>>64244907
That won't work because they're ragheads, retard
And anyway my argument has never been about what should happen, it's been about what's going to happen. For instance I leave in the "what should happen" file Patton's wish that the US had stayed out of WW2 longer and let Germany kill more Russians

>>64244917
>um I don't have a plan
so shut up and sit down

>>64244921
Didn't know I was talking to Henry Kissinger or that /k/ circlejerks carry this much weight in Washington, Tel Aviv or Gaza

>>64244912
Is that right? Because before the Oslo accords Israel had complete military control over Gaza as well as the west bank and today there are still plenty of palestinians there.

>>64244928
no doubt this is only a Sri Lankan tea-bagging discussion board, but even so, if you shit on every other option on the board, but you don't have even a vague proposal of your own, you literally don't have an actual opinion, you're just saying everyone else's sucks "because it just is okay!"

>>64244928
/pol/estine is butthurt because they lost the war they started, anything besides agreeing with their groupthink that you should be allowed to invade a country, murder, rape, and abduct civilians, then run home to hide behind your wife and kids without consequences is tantamount to treason to /pol/estine. Their seething has yet to save a single member of Hamas.

>>64244967
>you should be allowed to invade a country, murder, rape, and abduct civilians, then run home to hide behind your wife and kids without consequences
fucking this

every single peace proposal is torpedoed by the fact that Israel just asks "Okay so can you (the UN) guarantee that this won't happen again? you will punish the perpetrators if they do it?"
and they can't
even the fucking Arab League tried, just a couple of months ago
Hamas spat in their faces

>>64244912
>deportation of palestinians
I just asked the penguins in Antarctica if they want the population of palestine and they started aggressively pecking me and making squawking noises
Not even Europe is dumb enough to be an option
They have to be where they are, one state or two state or prison camp where the fertilizer and water pipes are policed.

>>64244770
>>64244757
Dude, who gives a shit. If a group of people come onto your land and get medieval on your citizenry you respond in a way that ensures that it never happens again. Political fallout is irrelevant, its not part of the equation.

>>64244988
Bingo.

the amount of (yous) in this thread is actually sickening.
death to israel, from a loving catholic man.

>>64244841
>>64244890
this dude always has these redditspaced conversations with himself jerking his own posts off and whining about American righties lmfao.

>>64244967
In all seriousness why are you like this?
Not "why are jews like this"
Why are YOU like this in particular, that you have a couple dozen ritualposts and you've spammed them literally hundreds of thousands of times across /k/, /pol/ and /tv/

I sometimes suspect that you're a muslim who acts as obnoxious as possible to make anons dislike Israel

>>64244991
Europe isn't dumb, it's cucked by the US. It's not like europe took millions of displaced middle easterners for the last 20 years because it's economical or good hearted or anything, it's just a release valve for zog atrocities.
>>64244948
Israel was thinking in the long term, they have been successfully forcing the palis out the west bank for decades. You can't trust yourself to a people who explicitly say that children in gaza are the enemy.

>>64245076
Swing and a miss, you fucking jerkoff

>>64244757
>Hamas (and Iran et al lmao) are absolutely getting their shit pushed in on the battlefield and absolutely winning diplomatically.
Iran's latest chimp out just ensured every single one of their neighbors besides direct proxies will work directly against them.
>Oh but (Random Euro country)supports us!!
While being physically boxed in by your neighbors means jackshit

>>64245083
>they have been successfully forcing the palis out the west bank for decades
What? than how come there are still Palestinians there?
How are they forcing them out?

>>64244863
>What disturbs me is how Palestinian expats safe in Western countries and other Arabs are absolutely, positively demanding that no one be allowed to leave, even has they say Israel is commiting genocide. How does that make sense?
There is something disturbing about an intellectual in London saying "you staying there is a sacrifice I'm willing to pay." But one reason for this is because they think that they won't be able to return ever, and the Israelis will take land, and shift the demographic balance in their favor. That is not a crazy theory. But the Israelis complain a lot about UNRWA (which is a specific agency for Palestinians) because it keeps Palestinian refugees in a permanent state of limbo. Now, of course, it's rich that Israel complains about this because Israel drove those people out and they wound up in refugee camps (really, cities) in the surrounding countries where they are not citizens of those countries. I guess Jordan has given them citizenship over the years? But many of these refugees are stateless people, however, in practically every other case of this (i.e. the entire 20th century) refugees (a lot of them all over the world including Jews) were kicked out of places and there was no expectation of ever going back, so it was better to assimilate the refugees into their new country.

>Meanwhile, there are videos of people desperately pleading to be let into Egypt and stories of people offering their life savings for low probability chances to bribe their way out.
The Egyptians do take bribes but it's expensive, up to $10,000. Apparently around 100,000 Gazans have left since the war started.

>>64244887
>Kuwait ethnically cleansed their 500,000 Palies (really for no good reason)
I think it was because many sided with Saddam during the Iraqi invasion? Saddam put himself forward as the big champion of the Palestinians in the 1970s, 1980s.

>>64245101
i see your face in the reflection with a few filters

>>64245101
based
>>64245076
>more than one person couldn't possibly disagree with my idiocy
sucks to suck, /pol/turd

>>64245130
It's gradual you poor faith JIDF dipshit

>>64244823
>Bibi doesn't want peace because that would force an election he will lose and then he goes to prison for corruption.
And he shouldn't. Why the fuck would anyone accept anything other than unconditional surrender when their opponent sucks dick at fighting wars as much as Muslims do? In real life your enemy is not going to save you from your own retardation. As the kids say; "it sucks to suck."
>>64244912
>You don't surrender to an enemy that doesn't want to negotiate.
Yes actually, you do when you are completely incapable of contesting them in the battlefiend in any capacity. It's called unconditional surrender and it has existed for as long as warfare has.

>>64244890
Unfortunately for you i'm not a yid, though sandniggers being put in their place after they thought they could kick off another intifada was the worst calculation they could have ever made

>>64245245
I noticed you engaged in a non sequitur.
>"Netanyahu doesn't want a peace deal because he'll go to prison".
You didn't respond to that at all. Not even
"You can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time".

It reminds me when one of your types posted in the sks thread and it got jannied.com. You're not here to actually engage with people, just to propagandize. Same as the brown jihadists who shit this board up too.

>>64244394
Both are subhuman vermin with a thirst for the blood of innocent civilians and an inferiority complex with a side of constantly claiming to be the victim? Don't see how that's hard to figure out.

>>64245226
How? that is, what's the method(s) involved with gradually forcing Palestinians out of the west bank?
Explain you're point instead of just saying "because it's a FACT dipshit"

>>64245140
weak bait
>>64245079
NTA but it's good to know there are other anons making you disgusting /pol/turds seethe. Palestinian civilians participated in October 7 and the rest cheered them on, now the chickens come home to roost.
A better question is, why are you shilling for cowardly cousin-fucking gangrapists with a negative K/D against civilians and police on /k/, a board dedicated to weapons and warfare? Why do you think someone should be allowed to shoot your kid, rape your wife and daughter, then parade their corpses through the streets before running home to hide behind their family and expect the victims to do nothing? Are you a tankie, Muslim, or just a terminally-online contrarian?

>>64245279
>I noticed you engaged in a non sequitur.
>>"Netanyahu doesn't want a peace deal because he'll go to prison".
>You didn't respond to that at all.
Are you illiterate? He wrote "and he shouldn't." That is, quite literally, responding to it.

>>64245389
Whoever he is, someone that mentally ill should just check themselves out sooner rather than later, it improves the world just a little bit when contrarian morons kick the bucket

>>64245389
>this much seething
Israel had a debate in the Knesset over whether or not it's legal to sodomize POWs. You guys are nothing but desert dwelling Russians with clipped dicks.
>https://youtube.com/shorts/wUhdh8NLe0s?si=utrzRPOYl8ds3YtU

>>64245447
>ha! I'm a bronze age warrior! I kill, I rape, I pillage!
>HEEEELP! HEELP I'M BEING RAPED!
kek.

>>64245447
>poleshitstainians rape pillage and murder: I sleep
>kikes do it to them in return: real shit

>>64245283
except that the "Russians" in the analogy presented was clearly Hamas, so as you yourself admit, Hamas are:
>subhuman vermin with a thirst for the blood of innocent civilians and an inferiority complex with a side of constantly claiming to be the victim? Don't see how that's hard to figure out.

>>64245485
>>64245469
Is there any evidence that Palestinians raped any of you on October 7th? It just seems like Israelis doing the raping of captives.

>>64245447
TZD and THD are all part of the same plan. You will keep watching mobiks get kubed and /pol/estinians get pancaked, and there's no amount of seething that will stop it.
If you really cared If anybody cared about Palestinians, you'd be in the streets demanding Hamas release whatever hostages weren’t butchered for a ceasefire so that Israel would lose its primary casus belli. You won't, because like vatniks and /pol/estinians, your hate is more important to you than their peace.

Morality does not matter in war, only strength. Palis are weak and pathetic, whereas the yids are strong. If the Palis were completely exterminated or expelled for failure to surrender in a war they'e been objectively BTFO in it would be justified.

>>64245515
>sure they burned babies alive, but /pol/estinians wouldn't rape
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/un-women-statements-on-the-7-october-attacks/
https://in-cyprus.philenews.com/international/hamas-had-instructions-to-use-sexual-violence-as-a-weapon-israeli-lawyer-tells-phileleftheros/
saturday-october-seven.com
hamas-massacre.net
hamas.com
thisishamas.com
hamasisisis.co
I hope it happens to you, too.

>>64245536
>morality doesn't matter in war, only strength
3edgy5me
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials

Remember how based war used to be? It used to be when you told your enemy to surrender, and they said no, no one would bat and eye when you nuked them.

Why are palis supposed to get my sympathy but not the Germans or Japanese, who are objectively better people? In fact kill every single pali and give Gaza to the Japs as reparations for those islands of theirs the Russians stole.

>>64245569
Friendly reminder that German civilians were expelled from every single country in western, central and eastern Europe not named Germany or Austria after the war so your retarded emotional non-argument fails immediately.

>>64245425
I agree, anyone who makes mass reply wojak spam posts should be executed
No one who does that can be described even vaguely as a human

>>64245569
The Germans LOST the war, you retard. They're the palis in this analogy.

>>64245602
So you believe that all Palestinians abroad should be sent back to Palestine after the war? How progressive of you!

>>64245569
>t.

>>64245417
The non sequitur is that he didn't address why Netanyahu wasn't interested in peace. That it was domestic political considerations that chiefly motivate him. So anon replied with why he shouldn't in terms of geopolitics, completely ignoring the user's main thrust that the motivation is not geopolitical but rather domestic. For christ's sake man I'll divorce it from the Israel situation because that makes people become unthinking fucking animals.

Person A: "X wants a war to keep going because it benefits him politically. If the war ends then he will suffer domestically"
Person B: "he shouldn't end the war because of geopolitical considerations ABC"
Person A: "That's irrelevant to what I am talking about. I'm talking about the domestic politics shaping decision making."

Person A is talking about the theory that it's domestic politics shaping the decision making. Person B doesn't address that, they just go for a non sequitur about a different theory. They are not interested in addressing the domestic consideration because it's something they are weak on, rather they want to pivot to another topic.

Stop shitting up our fucking board with your maudlin hysterics. I can't fucking stand either side of you bronze age demented savages, you behave with a kind of shrill overly emotional hysteria that marks you as vividly as third worlders as that chink who spams historical rape cases or armatard.

>>64245650
>The non sequitur is that he didn't address why Netanyahu wasn't interested in peace
He doesn't have to. The reasons are irrelevant if it's the correct decision militarily. He didn't even disagree with you, just correctly pointed out that it doesn't fucking matter.

Not reading the rest of your essay as I assume it'a equally irrelevant.

>>64245633
Yes, I agree it would be justified to expell a bunch of habitually war losing Arabs back to Arabia.

Friendly reminder that "Palestinians" can't even say the word Palestine because they're Arabs and Arabic has no letter P.

>>64245667
>The reasons are irrelevant if it's the correct decision militarily. He didn't even disagree with you, just correctly pointed out that it doesn't fucking matter.
this

>>64245650
>obviously Zelenskyy is fighting the Russians because he wants them to kill the Ukrainian hostages so that he gets to stay in power and won't go to prison
same "logic"

>>64245650
>So anon replied with why he shouldn't in terms of geopolitics,
Uh, no. This, is military not geopolitics:
>>64245245
>Why the fuck would anyone accept anything other than unconditional surrender when their opponent sucks dick at fighting wars

You very much seem to want to talk about politics though. Fun fact; there's a board for that, and it ain't this one.

>>64245137
Egypt and Jordan controlled that land for decades and crammed the populace into camps and denied them citizenship or mobility. Israel took over that land after they wanted to try to reconquer all of Israel and implemented a blockade, which Israel said would constitute and act of war (also they massed soldiers on the border and gave public speeches at the highest levels of government about the immanent extermination of the Israelis).

That's how they ended up there. Arabs in Israel were given full citizenship.

Yeah, people got displaced in 48. More Jews were displaced in the aftermath than Arabs. They moved on.

>>64245725
It's worse than that. When Israel have Egypt the Sinai back they tried to make them take Gaza. They absolutely refused. Note, in 1948 Egypt attacked to annex the land because they wanted it for prestige, and only lost it because they started another war to try to retake more again. But then when they decided to make peace they refused to take back the very people they had conquered and who have long historical ties with them.

>>64245447
>says others are seething as hes emotionally invested in a conflict that supposedly has nothing to do with him
Since you don't like da jooooz very much can we can assume you are a "person" of the subhuman variety?

>>64243790
>bibi needs constant war and antisemitism to keep himself in power to avoid jailtime
Well, he's doing just fine on the antisemitism front, I hope it continues towards shutting up "much Shoah" and answering it with "what about Gaza?".

>>64244770
Conservatives skew older and rely on traditional media to tell them what to think. Plus there really isn't a faction of conservatives that is hostile to Israel, but sympathetic to Palestinians.

Meanwhile everyone else is watching kids get killed on TikTok just to keep Bibi in power, and the voices traditionally hostile to Israeli occupation and war crimes have access to their viewers in a way never before seen.

>>64246947
It's the opposite here, retard. Virtually everyone is just tired of the retards screaming about gaza every week. They're seen in a similar light to just stop oil. The only people supporting them are non-STEM college kids getting HR degrees.

>>64245489
>the jew proceeds to cry about the hall of cost

>>64247039
Look man, hezbollah is now dickless, iran got fuuucked up in less than 2 weeks, and the leadership is outstaying their welcome in qatar. If all palishills have is "only 2 more american generations", just let the retards have that cope.

>>64243476 (OP)
Oh look a genocide by people who were once genocided.

>>64244991
lmao what a stupid argument. There have been plenty of dictators that have been willing to "take on" undesirables from their allies throughout history. Israel literally just needs to find a dictator who doesn't hate Israel.

>>64247039
>I live in a media bubble

>>64243541
Every time the Israelis find hostage bodies, they've been dead for weeks with clear execution wounds.

>>64243790
I honestly can't even begin to imagine being up to date with the internal politics of israel

>>64243773
>Is it really just "allah will save us?" Is that their actual fucking plan?
Since the neighboring Arab countries didn't bite on intervening, it's presently "Allah will save us by making the Western kuffar will feel sorry if the Yahood explode enough of our women and children and force them to stop and sanction them, then we can finish them off in 10 years after Israel has been isolated and weakened because something something Algeria, something something South Africa".

I never said it was a *good* plan, but it's literally the cornerstone of their current strategy given that they're literally shooting people for leaving Gaza City to flee to Al-Mawasi and distributing fake IDF evacuation leaflets that mark coastal Gaza City as a safe zone right now.

>>64244912
>Surrender means the end and deportation of palestinians because all negotiation offers by israel are either "hey please sit here in the palm of my hand and we promise we will be nice" or just an excuse to bomb their diplomats. You don't surrender to an enemy that doesn't want to negotiate.

Fighting things out to the bitter end means that the entire Gaza Strip becomes Quneitra-on-the-Med under Israeli military rule, with exit visas given out like knafeh and resulting in the halving the population within the span of 5 years through "voluntary emigration".

The closest avenue remaining to a win for Hamas right now is accepting exile the way the PLO did from Beirut in '82, and attempting to get their sugar daddies in Qatar and Turkey to buy off the West into eventually allowing their surviving leadership to return to the West Bank.

Hamas has already effectively lost, the only question is if they want a loss where between 50,000 and 100,000 people leave Gaza in exile, or one where a minimum of a million people will.

>>64243773
If you surrender to kikes, they'll kill you anyways

>>64245389
this is a question about warfare
when the gazan government planned this war did they ignore the biggest centers of economic activity of their own city?

this is like the US going to war and leaving NY and LA with no naval/air defense.

>>64243541
Hostages? This is about genocide

>>64248554
if i did this in gaza it would probably be those big office towers. the local main industry is foreign NGOs

>>64248679
for >>64248675

Damn that sticky doesn’t really seem to have any effect on Israel/Ukraine. Only US left wing murders. Weird

>>64248683
this isnt a sticky, its too specific of a scenario to go board-wide desu

>>64248688
>> 64246310
Read the sticky. No current events on /k/ now for some strange sudden reason

>>64248688
>>64246310
Read the sticky. No current events on /k/ now for some strange sudden reason

>>64248690
well this thread is about historic events/millitary strategy

>>64248678
Better genocided muslims than a fulfilled holocaust done by hamoods. Plus palestinians have plenty of food, nothing in the Quran says cannibalism is wrong and they're morlockizing already.

>>64243541
the hostages are a small price to keep bibi in power :^)

>>64248868
>the hostages are a small price to keep Zelenskyy in power :^)

>>64245713
Shut up you fairy fruitcake.

>>64248694
I think it's because of the Baltic invasion thread a yesterday/a couple of days ago. I got warned for posting in it too.

>>64248694
>>64248950
I imagine it is over the shooting of Charlie Kirk.

>>64248963
no shit sherlock

frankly I only found out when I saw the sticky
I figured straight away there was a Happening(tm)

>>64243541
When they're dead, most of the time it's because the Gazans execute them if they see the IDF getting close. The IDF probably knows, or at least knows enough about the general location of the hostages, and doesn't bomb there.
But there were probably a few cases of hostages who died from bombings.


>>64244510
When you're fighting an enemy that doesn't fight in a standard way, you need to adapt your methods.
This is what happens when you don't separate the fighting force from the civilians.

>Israelis killing hostages which Hamas took is Israel's fault
>Hamas killing hostages which Hamas took is Israel's fault
>Israelis continuing to fight is because the PM wants to stay in power
>Hamas continuing to fight is because Hamas wants to stay in p... no, is because they are Freedom Fighters
lol
lmao

>>64244510
got any better ideas?

>>64249075
Yes.

>>64249073
show IP schlomo
Diaper force is getting btfo'd when they're not shooting kids. Someone post the webm of the kike APC getting toasted.

>>64248675
What Gazan government? kikes killed them all decades ago. you're retarded aren't you?

>>64249075
Lmao are you forgetting you white kikes came over from europe to steal land and kick people out of their homes and you rape kids and brag about it? 60% of your kind thinks rape is okay.

>>64248773
Talmud says all Goyim are slaves and that you can rape goyim children. Rot in hell.

>>64247690
Your entire argument is based on a prediction which contradicts decades of history, you are the equivalent of a communist thinking it will work this time because "the young generation supports me".

>>64252990
>I want to act medieval in the modern world
I accept your confession

>>64252983
theyre in a war rn that they started back in 23

>>64243541
The vast majority likely are, yes.

>>64243541
i guess we'll never know ;-)

>>64243541
>retard thinks (((they))) ever cared to begin with
if you cared about hostages shooting concert goers with canon fire from a Helicopter wouldnt be something you'd do

>>64253751
I dont think that actually happened

>>64253766
How else do you explain all the deaths?
>inb4 hamas
Hamas never existed.

>>64253779
We don't need to explain shit, /pol/turd, your beloved Palis livestreamed themselves killing everyone they could >>64245545

>>64253153
That's you retard. Show IP

>>64253779
go back /pol/nignog

>>64243773
Is there even a Hamas left? I’d be surprised if it was more than just localized cells doing their best not to die off

>>64244809
>This means dem politicians will have to be pro-Isreal
Miggers are just volcal pro isreal deceived goyim while democrats are actually dual citizenship jews.

1h ago, they failed again

>>64261857
Watching the IAF collapse buildings with bombs is my favorite genre, Il never get tired of it.

>>64245051
I agree wholeheartedly, fellow Catholic from Shiraz, Israel must be exterminated.

>>64261857
There are at least two journos filming the building waiting for it to get bombed, what the fuck were the other people doing there?

>>64261875
Actually at least three, a third guy walks into frame at the end

>>64258910
Not one person on this list is an Israeli citizen or has an Israeli passport

>>64252990
>Arabiac screeching nosies
Lose less wars plz

>>64252979
IDF KIAs have been 12 since may

>>64246947
>>64244770
Don’t worry 2 more generations and Palis are saved

>>64252990
this is all christian land and muzzies deserve to be bombed 24/7