Thread 24672530

Calm Before The (Shit)Storm Edition

Stubbed >>24665064

>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing web serials:
alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

Recommended web novels
rentry.co/d2yvczro

Anon's guide to success
rentry.co/RRBasicGuide

FAQ
rentry.co/pytefpxn

>>24672530 (OP)
Why would anyone read this juvenile escapist tripe
Explain

>>24672554
Probly because they're all caught up on monster girl evolution stories and are bored with nothing else to read.

>>24672554
They don’t. The people in these threads are all trying to write webnovels, but they make it a point to never read. They consume hours upon hours of anime, cartoons, comics, etc…..but reading? Nope.

And it’s hilarious just browsing this and seeing all these sad people posting their writing samples. They get all the same advice, but because of the nature of this site and their fragile egos, none of the advice is retained. They just continue with the same horrible writing conventions and grammar, and wonder why no one likes it.

Probably the only writers who completely lack perspective on what their audiences like, solely because they refuse to read.

>>24672554
aura farming
hype moments
mewing streaks
on that grind
rizz
no diff 1v1s

>>24672571
I tripped on a curb once and that gave the girl next to me the ick. I wonder how they’ll feel about men who read this.

>>24672554
because it's fun! literature bores me to death

>>24672572
>They don’t. The people in these threads are all trying to write webnovels, but they make it a point to never read.
probably some people here, but i've seen many sloppers giving long lists of recs & I've talked about them with them
hell, we had like 3-4 anons arguing about The Wandering Inn, and even being up to date on that shit means you've read more than 99.99% of people. TWI is 16 million words long

/wng/ reads more than /lit/ (and /wg/) on average, i am very certain of that fact

>>24672572
Excuse you I'm actively following like 20 webnovels on RR and another twenty novels getting translated on J-novel club and regularly reading Yen Press and Seven Seas LN releases and other books. If anything I read too fucking much; I'm behind on my anime watching.

I don't post my webnovel or writing samples here on /lit/ because of spergouts, but I'm doing okay for not having followed the precepts and having made several large structural errors with my narrative and plot, but my next story will do better and have a built in couple hundred readers pointed at it. I might make RS forreal.

>>24672582
you shouldn't live your life framing everything you do around "what do others think of me for this?"
it's very insecure beta energy which is poison to all social interactions

>>24672583
Okay you sold me are there any with gratuitous sex

>>24672582
>at the dentist
>reading RR
>hygienist comes up
>oh what're you reading anon
It's a webnovel called Cat Girl Evolution, the cat is a reincarnated human trapped on an island killing monsters for now but eventually she'll get a human body and escape the island!
>get the look
>when I leave everyone's staring at me
They don't understand I'm on the bleeding edge of literary innovation. This is ART.

>>24672593
Godspeed you crazy bastard, you're actually gonna make it. Remember to send us a postcard once in a while.

>>24672596
Mostly on AO3, I got you my family.
https://archive.transformativeworks.org/works/44275453
Unironically better prose and narrative construction and characterization than 99% of webnovels. It's polished as fuck.

>>24672603
You could get away with it as a six four Harvard law grad 30th in line to the British throne or under

>>24672606
For sure. In the meantime I do critique writing samples and I mean to rate and review works posted here but it's hard to cram into my reading schedule, and I don't want to just leave a bad review after one chapter. Maybe I'll start just reviewing and posting the critiques in /wng/ instead of RR.

>spent 11+ hours trying to get AI TTS to work
>can now turn web novels into audiobooks that sound pretty good
>only takes 2-3 hours to generate 1 hour (5 chapters) worth of text
now i can efficiently catch up to all of my favourite web novels faster by listening to the audio at 2x speed

>>24672621
We'll never know; nobody asked me what I was reading today. I'm going for my first pumpkin spice latte of the year in a bit, and I'll be reading Phoenix Girl Evolution there, so we'll see what happens.

BTW here's my ratings so far:
Fish Girl Evolution: 4.5/5, story a little too slow paced
Puppy Girl Evolution: 4.5/5, a little weak on technicals but the stakes are high, super excited to see how the story develops
Magpie Girl Evolution: 5/5, best characterization by far, love the magpie, overall conflict is a little weak but the story has legs
Cat Girl Evolution: 5/5, started slow but the cat is fun, there's good chemistry with the snarky AI, good conflicts, and the pacing is the best so far

>>24672638
which model u using?

>>24672642
kokoro

i tried to use edge tts, but it sounded bad, so i tried to use a script to teach it grammar and pronunciation, but it ended up breaking everything 100 times. then when i finally got it to work it didn't really sound much better.
i couldn't get kokoro to work locally though, so i had to run it inside of google colab, but it also generates a new audio file for every line break, so you end up with 350+ audio files for 5 chapters of a web novel, so i had to make a ffmpeg script to take all of the audio files and put them together.

>>24672649
i use kokoro too
5 hours for 2-3 hours of audio is crazy. my 3060 generates at like 30x realtime. a 20 min chapter takes like 40s or smth
i have it set up so that it parses the text and generates all dialogue in a different (universal) voice, so that narration and dialogue is easily recognizable

>>24672657
it takes so long because i run it my browser. i wish i could run it locally, but i really couldn't figure out how to do it.
it just won't let me download the dependencies for kokoro, even after i downloaded 101 things to try and make it work. the troubleshooting that i could get was:
>The error shows that the system can't find 'clang.exe' when trying to compile the 'blis' package. This is a complex dependency issue that's difficult to resolve on Windows.
so i wan't sure what to do from there. i know nothing about coding or using computers so i was wrestling ai models and searching up error troubleshooting to try and make it work.

>>24672662
>so i wan't sure what to do from there. i know nothing about coding or using computers so i was wrestling ai models and searching up error troubleshooting to try and make it work.
you did do
>pip install blis
and all the other packages rite

>>24672662
actually just use Docker, less bs to deal with
>https://github.com/remsky/Kokoro-FastAPI

>>24672657
Also kokoro user
I wander if anyone has any luck with automatically splitting dialogue by character and narration so I can use multiple voices? Right now I pipe the text to qwen separately but it’s not as reliable in all cases. Hell there are some very simple cases where even a gofai NLP rule like “every new paragraph is a different character. The same character cannot speak in two consecutive paragraphs” would catch but the llm fails. I get why of course, it has to account for training data exceptions in the form of wrongly formatted text or even things like a split personality character talks to themself.”

Chatgpt works better but I obviously I don’t want to use that for degenerate shit

>>24672675
been done before
>https://github.com/DrewThomasson/VoxNovel

>>24672667
yup. everything installs fine, but then finally running 'pip install kokoro' keeps throwing errors at me when it tries to install build dependencies.

>>24672670
ty anon, i'll give that a try tomorrow morning.

>>24672684
I tried that and it doesn’t work. It’s just BERT with some classical NLP scaffolding and is very brittle, like 65% success rate What makes you think a late 2010s model could succeed when much larger cutting edge models fail

ngl my power system is getting kinda spicy

>>24672691
Seeing how even humans can struggle to determine which line of dialogue goes to who, I think it's inevitable AI models can't

What voices does everyone use for Kokoro? I mostly use the Ava voice on edge-tts because of how quick it is and I think it sounds decent, but I'm willing to try now Kokoro now that I know about the docker setup

I edited my story to get rid of modern dialogue, as several people in here and /sffg/ shat on me for it. Since then I have continued to get new viewers, though I haven't gotten any new comments. Might possibly be over for me

>>24672805
What do you mean by modern dialogue?

Just want to share this, I thought it's quite a neat piece of writing.
>barely any prose or description
>simplistic dialogue
>yet it still hits me with feels despite me having nothing to do with Korea
This is the kind of writing I hope to achieve

>>24672820
I don't think this is something you want to ape, at all.

>>24672812
The most common word I got rid of was “gonna”. But there was other stuff that would seem very informal, and more fitting of a modern urban setting than high fantasy.

>>24672572
I can't write because I'm too busy reading

>>24672805
>>24672827
Whenever I hear modern dialogue as a term, I now think of brainrot zoomer slang.
>Rhogar pulled out his treasured battle axe for his companions to see, rusted over with the blood of worthy foes.
>"No cap, this blades been slaying baddies for generations"
>"Deadass?"
>"Frfr."

>>24672805
I think there's more incentive to comment chapters that were just posted than ones that may be ignored; but I sometimes get rep for comments I've made weeks after the chapter's release. So who knows what's going on in commenter's heads.
>>24672820
Whenever I find my own writing anemic, at least I can know that eastern web sloppers are skipping iron in their meals.

>>24672572
I've been reading more than I have been actively working on my draft desu. I think I got some nice advice last time I posted a chapter which I want to revise later with the advice in mind, but I pretty much stopped posting chapter excerpts after the second chapter since it seemed there was no interest or probably people didn't want to humor there being another FF. There was that guy in /wg/ who bothered opening my rentry chapters and gave me solid advice but he would always full stop on the first chapter and never read the others. It's a shame he never came over to /wng/.

>>24672820
this is awful anon...

>>24672827
modern dialogue is very normal in web novels, it's actually VERY rare to see "old-timey" fantasy style dialogue
make sure you're getting advice from good places, anon. im surprised fellow sloppers advised you away from modern sounding dialogue.

>>24672820
This is garbage.

So are there any decent Cat Girl/Beast girl/Mermaid/Harpy/FAIRY/Elf/General monster girl stories that don't have a system, or if they do have a system don't have a focus on evolution or strength progression? I'll post some good stories below as thanks for recs

我变成了女精灵 - I became an elf
转生成精灵的我不想当宠物 - I'm reincarnated as an elf and I don't want to be a pet
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DGdAJJJsAMVAFOxZ9CMWM75ySBi1VYTR1iUwIhdbmig/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.3hzjup1lxi38 - Intro to the bunny
变身之红龙女王 - Transformation of the Red Dragon Queen
魅魔当自强 - Succubus Should Be Self-reliant

any webnovels with character relationships as disastrous or surpassing catherine and heathcliff’s?

Why do you need one of these weeb generals breeding trannies and schizos on lit? Fuck off to /jp/

>>24672969
>catherine and heathcliff’
The only Heathcliff I know is from SAO and I don't think there's a Catherine

>>24672596
>Okay you sold me are there any with gratuitous sex
I have a three (soon to be four) volume fetish erotica. Thin on plot. heavy on (femdom) action. If size matters (ha!) this has thunk factor. The three volumes are something like 100k words, 90k words, and 80k words each. Number four is baking at 20k or so words at the moment.

>>24673036
Post it

So are any of these Russian series any good? I already have Last Life on the tbr but what about the other ones like Dragon Heart, The Last Paladin, Oleg Sapphire or whatever else.. anyone have anything to say on the subject?

>>24673132
I've never read a series I've enjoyed. They've all seemed weirdly 'dry' is the best way I can describe it. Maybe it's a translation issue.

>>24672638
will you be posting the files for the rest of us?

>>24673214
anons half cocked shit is worse than any of the github repos lol. Just go there

>>24673231
link me or is it in sticky

Are fantasy webserials really good? It seems to be the most popular theme. I've tried to read one about a mage on a mage school or something but it just felt stupid.
I've only ever read Worm, and am in the middle of Katalepsis, and I'm still on arc 1 of SEEK, not really sure if I like it yet.
What are some good non-fantasy non-level non-otherworldly setting webserials? Or do I give another shot to the fantasy stuff?

>>24673252
>Are fantasy webserials really good?
The answer is:depends on both the work and your tastes; someone's shit series may be the goat of other person. But there's one thing that is certain, is that there's a lot of shit. Fantasy is easy to write and popular setting with readers as it's the unholy encounter of Tolkien's fantasy races, RPGs and isekai japslop.
>Recs
We have this from the OP: rentry.co/d2yvczro
I can personally vouch for REND, which is a super-hero-like with a psychopath femMC. The setting is modern day in an universe where people can turn into monsters if pushed too far emotionally.

>>24673036
>>24673091
Here I am writing mostly sexless fantasy stories without any LitRPG or progression elements.

>>24673309
Fantasy stories don't have to use Tolkien's races. Entire fantasy stories can be told using only humans and obviously less than sentient monstrous species. Dragonless, goblinless, elfless, slimeless, koboldless, and orcless.

>>24673327
The point is on can anon, you could spend your time and energy creating your own specific race for the setting... Or you could just call it an elf something and it will be instatly understood by the reader.
Authors and readers like it because it's common language understood by all. Of course, an author can create an entire new and original setting, but for web slop? You can just pull from the cultural fantasy box.

>>24672554
Sometimes a silly fun story is what you want. Not everything has to be a masterwork that'll change your view on life.
Sometimes you even find a diamond in the rough.

>>24673335
And to your point specific (because I completely missed your point), of course you can write stuff with only humans, but I guarantee that 99% of works out there are just lifting the same concepts that have existed for almost a century at this point: mages, classes, spells, kingdoms in a setting or whatever, all lifted from Tolkien, D&D and so on.

>>24672572
>They get all the same advice, but because of the nature of this site and their fragile egos, none of the advice is retained
Its actually the complete opposite here, 99% of the time. Most people here will barely if ever read even more than a line of your story. And to be blunt, a lot of the times you just get shit advice here.

There are anons here whose advice I will take, but they are actually reading the story and pointing out parts of it which need work.

>>24673348
As one of the anons who tries to read what gets posted here: I'm now worried that I am giving shit advice. I won't stop though.

>>24673357
I think I recognize you and no, you aren't giving shit advice I can assure you that.

>>24673252
>Are fantasy webserials really good?
No
>Worm
Don't bother, its a huge waste of time (its also shit)

I like it when novels introduce characters that make me hate them, really hate them.
It makes me anticipate the catharsis of their downfall. I don't like it when they go unpunished. Everyone knows the third rate villain that harrasses one of the protagonist's bitches and then gets pwned in some way or another. These people are usually retarded and thus sympathetic, not worthy of my hatred, and boring. No, no, characters that get my blood boiling must be excellent.
They must be beautiful/handsome, intelligent, powerful, and popular - everyone is on their side, no one is on the protagonist's side, and they are overwhelmingly at an advantage. Ideally, they get all this with minimum effort, and they do nothing with their advantages but cater to their own desires, whoring about or living it up rather than struggling tooth and nail for the betterment of humanity. Ah, they can fight for the betterment of humanity, but if they aren't depicted as suffering for it, thenit's worthless.
Yes, such characters who are self-assured and fearless of their position in life; I want the protagonist to drag them down, I want the stars in the sky to be torn down into the filthy mud on the ground. Ah, it's really exciting. Unfortunately, most of the time they continue unobstructed by the narrative or even take the place in a moral high ground and condescend others self-righteously. It's really disgusting when this happens...
I think the closest I can get to a 'trope' in this sort of manner are the capture targets of an otome game when the protagonist reincarnates into the villainess, that sort of story. However, the feeling is completely different as the protagonist is always portrayed and super smart and they're always portrayed as borderline retarded, so the story becomes the protagonist becoming the target of hate rather than them, because the narrative favors the flawless protagonist who doesn't suffer or struggle for anything instead of the pitiful capture targets with intelligence deficits. Most revenge stories (villainess, shoelacers) fall into this trap, where the protagonist only suffers initially and then is blessed by the world with effortless smooth sailing the rest of the journey.
No. The protagonist needs to be portrayed as in a state of disadvantage, and the target of revenge/the hateful person in a state of advantage for it to be worthwhile. If the narrative overwhelmingly supports the protagonist, every "advantage" the hateful person has is rendered transparent and superficial, as it's clear what will be happening to them the rest of the story. It's predictable and boring. The protagonist suffers no setbacks, the antagonist will always suffer a setback. A story should be an unpredictable tug of war or course of events, knowing the conclusion of something takes all the excitement and interest out of it.
I remember [No to Being the Suffering Heroine!] doing this excellently to an extent as a subversion of the shoelacer genre.

>>24673490
Have you read the Red Rising series? Sounds like something you'd like. Lots of hateable villains.
The problem with doing that in serialized format is that it takes too long for the reader, to have to wait hours or days or weeks between chapters while the story, frozen in time, has the villain living it up and the protagonist suffering. It goes beyond setup to catharsis and just becomes tortuous. Arcs can't really last hundreds of chapters and years of real time to set up the kind of fall you're looking for. Hell, lots of readers literally can't stand a single chapter cliffhanger where the protagonist isn't winning: see all of korean and chinese power fantasies.

>>24673252
>I've only ever read Worm, and am in the middle of Katalepsis, and I'm still on arc 1 of SEEK, not really sure if I like it yet.
>I've read and now I'm reading and IDK if I like it
Bro what is your sense of scale

>googled it
Oh shit SEEK is wildbow's newest serial? Okay fair enough

anyway yeah fantasy is obviously the most popular speculative fiction category, that's true in SFF and tradpub in general too
I don't have any strong non Specfic recs because that's basically this whole space. non specfic is what...romance and thriller/crime? that's not really suitable to an online web novel lol. you're in the wrong general

>>24673252
FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist'

>>24673642
buy an ad

which would be a better personality for an MC that gets isekai’d as the Creator God of their game?

>unhinged menace that needs to be put down for the good of society ala REND, with an abnormal thought process who does things based on their own whims with apocalyptic consequences for everything other than them
>well meaning person absurdly unready to cope with the responsibilities and powers of their sudden position, and goes step by step figuring things out while also entirely ignoring the issue of them suddenly becoming God
>a possibly sociopathic observer who treats their creation the same way an autist treats their ant farm, trying to figure things out while deciding to only intervene if the “ants” almost succeed in wiping themselves out
>almighty idiot who tries to do something, accidentally does something else, and in trying to troubleshoot the problem ends up doing something entirely different that ignores the whole issue and makes an unrelated problem

>>24673729
>a possibly sociopathic observer who treats their creation the same way an autist treats their ant farm, trying to figure things out while deciding to only intervene if the “ants” almost succeed in wiping themselves out

But not actually a sociopath, it's just that he can't see the world as 'real' and feels a sense of loneliness or distance from it, an unreality or fakeness from knowing or thinking that it's a fabicatedand therefore false existence.
Would be fun to see how they handle aspects of the world that they never created or addressed coming completely out of nowhere, like fairies, harpies, werewolves, different countries or factions existing outside of his knowledge, and him coming to the realization that despite creating the world he doesn't really know anything about it. The world and reality itself is a tangled web of interconnected histories and events that he'd only created a very small part of.
Also, while he can be the creator god, he shouldn't be omnipotent. I hate reading about all-powerful MCs the most, they're boring as fuck. He should be given special privileges or powers, like being able to temporarily adjust stats or erase things from memory, but nothing too overpowered. Protagonists need to struggle and suffer setbacks.

>>24673760
i plan on having the MC have all the power and strength of a creator god, but entirely lack omniscience. the only difference between the MC and the Demiurge is that the MC actually did create the material and metaphysical/spiritual world of the setting.

the MC’s situation would be like using a toaster as the main personality or AI of something like the Allied Mastercomputer.

>>24673760
Also, ideally, he should be a special existence or hold a unique identity outside of being the creator. Such as being the only human being in the world (think Arknights), having a race that others find strange, or something else. Something that cements the isekaijin identity well, otherwise you might as well just write nativesekai. Kazuma's tracksuit is a good example of this. Isekai is best when the protagonist has a difficult time adjusting to the world, and he should accordingly behave stranger to the residents - the residents should find him weird or strange due to coming from entirely different cultures and worlds.

>>24673766
If he's omnipotent, then where will conflict come from? Will there ever be a time that he truly suffers or encounters a setback? If the scope of his duty comes from things like preventing wars or disasters, why should we, the readers, care about that? How would war or disaster affect the protagonist, he's obviously going to be fine? Will it come from other characters? Why should we worry about other characters? Because the protagonist interacted with them? There's too much of a power imbalance to create care in the first place, there's no sense of going through and overcoming tribulation, no sense of connection between an omnipotent being and a powerless person. And even if there was, the reader wouldn't be able to worry about it since the protagonist can just handwave any threat or stakes that threatens them.

>>24672554
You wouldn't get it , you are too young

>>24673760
>>24673768
>>24673778
let me explain the plot, since i didn’t do so and my original question does have misleading connotations.
>MC is an autist who plays games for autists
>particularly likes an especially autistic game called God Simulator, where its key characteristics are its absurd depth and customizability, like an unhinged mix of dwarf fortress, Dominions, and hidden Japanese autism games
>MC has played nearly every deity type from member of pantheon to lesser deity to household deity, etc. multiple times from sheer depth of said game
>Eventually grows bored of current playthrough and decides to start a new one as a Creator Deity
>for sheer RP reasons makes a weird build that essentially locks the creator deity in its own plane from where its creation exists
>MC gets through the absurd and autistic process of designing his first three deities, since the type of Creator Deity he’s playing as through the game relies on delegation as its main gimmick
>Immediately fatigue sets in, MC quits the game and goes to sleep
All of that was the background, now for plot
>MC wakes up as the Creator Deity in its realm and does not fully breakdown due to disassociation and autism level
>MC quickly comes to accept his current situation
>First thing MC does is decide to continue the act of creation
>Finds his one of his three deities sitting around him in said realm, guarding him
>Expected to find three deities since he stopped playing immediately after their creation
>The one deity informs him that the “plan” which he has no recollection of has hit a hitch
>Asks her to elaborate
>She repeats the same thing rephrased in a different way
>MC remembers the random flavortext he wrote for said deities, essentially making them little better than sentient tools
>Instant regret
>Uses authority to try and summon back all three deities so the world can actually be created
>Only summons back the other one
>Asks them both where the third went
>They say that it almost immediately perished doing its task during the later phase of creation
>MC is dumbfounded and takes a look at the world
>Sees that it’s pretty much an almost complete universe, with its own cosmology, parallels, etc.
>Also sees that it is inhabited by mortals and Gods ascended from said mortals
>Recalls that he distinctly did not give any of the three deities the ability to create mortal life, planning to do it himself via dropping a specialized object onto the world specifically designed for the mortals that object would make
>Most conflict comes from the MC giving a task to his remaining deities, who then delegate said tasks to their lesser deities made by them who then also delegate some to mortals because they lack free will and can’t do some of said tasks
>Resulting in MC trying to rein the world’s most high stakes game of telephone resulting from profoundly retarded/machine-like servsnts

>>24673808
yeah so standard "got reincarnated into an RTS" premise, gotcha

>>24673808
If the deities basically don't have egos then most of my questions still apply. That is, what is supposed to keep the reader emotionally invested? What characters exist and how does the protagonist interact with them?

>>24673853
i think i will go to bed ruminating that thought. it might be better off for me to just finish/refine my story, then figure out the hard way what works and what doesn’t work.

thank you for your time regardless anon for immediately helping me despite the clear lack of polish nor much effort. though if you’d accept one criticism from me, then it is so:

your first two criticisms/suggestion read less like criticisms and more like a command or dictating what ought to be as what is, as if they were as absolute as Newton’d first law, or the color of the sky. though i tried to be objective the way i read it made it seem as if you were telling me exactly how to write my story, and that if i were to diverge in any way than as written, it’d be a failure and i’d be better off not trying. thank you regardless of whatever miscommunications might inherently exist as a result of the nature of esoteric hyperborean vril cultivating boards.

>>24673864
>your first two criticisms/suggestion read less like criticisms and more like a command or dictating what ought to be as what is, as if they were as absolute as Newton’d first law
Ah, no, don't take my nonsense seriously, I was just trying to share my experiences sifting through different writing guides and reading books. In the end, writing is a hobby meant for fun, and you should write whatever you enjoy.

>>24673864
Yeah, dumb people have to do everything the hard way and we have a lot of dumb people in these threads

>>24673214
it's 'kokoro' on github, but i'm tech illiterate and the way i did it was very dumb, so now i'm trying to get >>24672670 to work.
so far i've had to make a windows subspace for linux to install ubuntu and then docker on my pc.

Is this it? Is this where humanity ends? Endless content farms? We all understand genre fiction, but how can, one willingly write The time I reincarnated as a 40-Year-Old Loser in the body of a young girl, with 999+ Cheat Skills?

Tolkien died for this? Ten thousand spergs, gasping for consoomer bucks? He died so middle-class basement dwellers could name their protagonist Kai Number 429#

I mean, it's not like you're going to make it. Why write slop? Might as well write porn and erotica at least there's money there. How many of you have had a successful Patreon? I think four or five people have earned more than $20. It's a sad affair, the state webfiction has become. And the creatures at the top are encouraging this behavior. It's all around disgusting.

Why not write your passions, your magnum opus? LitRPG? Are you writing it in the vein of a TTRPG? No. Then what the fuck is the point?

>>24672670
IT WORKS ANON! IT ACTUALLY WORKS! OH MY GOD!
it can generate a 10 minute chapter into audio in 10 seconds now!

>>24674043
that's a cool analysis
what's your favorite power/magic/progression system?

>>24674043
Stupid strawman argument.
Truth is , last year top 10 webnovels are better than last years top trad fantasy books.
And you know it. Deep down you know it , otherwise /sffc/ wouldn't just be decades old book spam.

Also , didn't the old guard start out with serialization on magazines? (Moorcock, Asimov , etc)

>>24672670
>>24674052
as a curious techlet, what's the difference between doing this locally versus using something like https://vadash.github.io/EdgeTTS/ ?

>>24674056
90% of everything is and has always been shit, including published books and fantasy, but web novels are just fundamentally broken amateur garbage and not comparable at all.

>>24674056
More popular does not mean more better.
>Atlas Shrugged

>>24672593
I also don't post my fiction here because of spergouts.

>>24674056
>didn't the old guard start out with serialization on magazines? (Moorcock, Asimov , etc)
Also, those magazines actually had high professional standards and didn't take shit even from established authors. Meanwhile, wn sites have no quality control whatsoever

>>24674063
MTL Reverend Insanity mogs

>>24674062
I dought you knwo what the fuck you are tal,ing about.
Name your top 10 trad ssf books from last year. (assuming you even read 10)

I will write the next Reverend Insanity and get banned by the East Timorese, Uzbekistani, AND Nauruan governments

>>24674061
kokoro has much better, more natural-sounding voices.
i tried to run scripts to help improve the grammar/pronunciation on edgetts but it didn't really help. i'd recommend kokoro over that.

>>24674065
Brave of you to label Moorcock magazine stkries "quality". Same with Asimov , but at least he had good ideas.

>>24674071
Thanks for clarifying. I might try setting it up as my weekend project in-between writing sprints

Do I just kill myself or...?

>>24674095
Just say that it's the Narator and that it's on purpose. Then try to add small mistakes to keep up the facade.

>>24674095
tell me what your fiction is and i'll even it out for you.

>>24674068
Why would I keep a top 10 list of shit, or force myself to read it in the first place? The first page is enough to tell what I'm in for and most get filtered there

>>24674123
What do you read?

>>24674123
Better than Bakker gay slop

web fiction is just a natural evolution of pulp

>>24674125
I've been through this conversation so fucking many times, it's like I'm an eternal regressor. Can we just skip to the part where you try to invalidate my tastes and I call you a retard?

>>24674138
Just name ONE title from 2024 that you liked.

>>24674142
You read fiction that comes in "titles"?
You really are fucked.

>>24674138
I won't invalidate, I'm asking in good faith. Don't you invalidate my curiosity now

>>24674162
If you don't read contemporary trad ssf then you are in no position to compare the two. You are just an old man yelling at a cloud.

I've been enjoying Can You Conquer The World With Martial Arts? more than I thought I would
looking forward to those wuxia backlog anons posting, think there's a few of them

pearlescent armor SEX
these guys were supposed to be grunts but now I have no choice but to give them a higher-level role
i was planning to have a scene written for them by the time the commission was done but i ended up focusing on a cool old man ship captain instead so shameless artpost

>>24674142
You seem to be pushing this into some bizarre matchup of "my trump card can beat the best you've got if we limit your choices to last week", but I have no idea why I should entertain this game. Shit is shit, no matter how you turn it around.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/1n04ghv/x_girl_evo_misconceptions/
>2. They are manipulating the algorithm.
>Again, no. This was a collaboration project between several authors who all decided to post their stories at the same time.
lmao

>>24674337
dumb retard

>>24674329
Aww , you poor baby. Lets make it easier for you. Name the MOST RECENT ssf book you enjoyed

>>24674337
"Collaboration projects" by people who just decided to do stuff at the same time is the very definition of manipulation lol

yeah boss we're not striking or anything we're just all deciding collectively not to come into work today

>>24674329
The point is your frame of referance. You don't know jackshit about the stories being told after the cold war ended.
Did you enjoy Will of the Many?
Maybe you read the Sun Eater?
Anything by Sanderson?
A.Tchaikovsky?

>>24674370
Can you shut the fuck up already, retard? I'm not talking to you. Whatever I say, your response will be "he calls THIS shit but enjoys THAT lmaooo". Writing quality isn't dependent on some "frame of reference". The general quality of literature has nothing to do with your favorite WN being a plotless, cliche-ridden piece of crap with elementary tense errors and terrible pacing

>>24674393
You really haven't read any of them?
What was the last thing you read , Harry Potter?

>>24674398
I'm currently reading a harry potter fanfic.

>>24674393
I swear nobody will hurt your feelings this time, sweaty...
just share what you like. let's talk this out.

>>24674061
FastAPI Kokoro is pretty easy to set up even if you're techlet. My Ava voice for edge-tt is good enough for me, but maybe that will change as I use Kokoro more. My main gripes with Kokoro are that it words seem to slur at higher speed for the voices I've test, making them impossible to understand + it doesn't have the Vadash feature that allows you to auto break up the mp3 file that's generated, which is pretty useful to me for managing space on my phone.

>>24674476
>slur at higher speed
don't use the speed slider lol, just speed it up on the audio player. always keep at 1.0x on the actual generator

>>24674476
also I like af_heart the most for voice

>>24674043
>Might as well write porn and erotica at least there's money there.
it's harder to make real (significant) money with erotica than it is litrpg, by a lot
erotica just has a very low floor where you can probably make a few hundred bucks, but going pro in it is way less likely than litrpg or other slop genres

>how can, one willingly write The time I reincarnated as a 40-Year-Old Loser in the body of a young girl, with 999+ Cheat Skills?
because sloppa is fun! I try reading "real" genre fic here and there and I'm always disappointed. for example I read Blood Over Bright Haven recently and just found it miserable compared to comfort slopfood

also, you're Tina, aren't you? the broken sentences and comma usage is very distinctive. regardless of if you are or aren't, you should learn how english works before you take an elitist stance and condemn sloppa lol, it comes off very ironic

>>24674551
>>24674556
Yeah, I understand. It's mildly annoying but not deal breaking. af_heart is nice. Kind of vibing with af_santa oddly enough. Also does anyone know if you can if you can upload epubs? I don't see the option, but converting to txt isn't that big of a deal so it's fine i guess.

>>24673893
you telling me someone who reads without writing can suddenly write a Great American Novel as their first work?

>>24674231
>He got machine arms
I've never noticed the stamped seals, reminds me of WH 40k. The armor itself screams Bionicle though.
>>24674043
Making money from this is a long shot for me, I just want to write stuff that other fellow autists might enjoy. Having fun writing a shameless LN rip-off right now even though it's tiresome.

>>24674579
>Also does anyone know if you can if you can upload epubs? I don't see the option, but converting to txt isn't that big of a deal so it's fine i guess.
don't think so
but if you're looking for all-in-one epub->mp4 solutions, im sure there's a github repo out there that does it

>>24674579
>>24674592
yep only took a second to find:
https://github.com/aedocw/epub2tts-kokoro

>>24674586
>purity seals

yeah the seals are supposed to be a mixture of 40k purity seals and chinese fulu talismans, not necessarily intended to be a direct 40k homage, I just like the aesthetic

>armor looks like bionicle

huh
yeah you know what it kind of does
i'd say the shapes are much simpler than bionicle but i understand why it might give a bionicly vibe

>>24674197
Same. It can get surprisingly evocative for how simple the prose is.

Is "The Last Angel" any good?
What are the best scifi web novels?

I'm writing a smut story about a lesbian woman with a scat fetish living with a colostomy bag. Thoughts? I wonder if it would sell well on amazon. I'm also curious if anyone has suggestions about other disabilities to write about? The main character would have a scat fetish of course.

>>24674594
>>24674594
I meant with the FastAPI Docker setup specifically, but thanks. I'm too lazy to setup up a whole new thing for this so I'll probably just stick to converting since it takes like two seconds.

>>24674582
There are writers who listen to advice and learn, and then there's anon

>>24674043
Jokes on you, I'm lifting ideas for my LitRPG out of my own tabletop homebrew, AND I'm having fun doing it!

>>24674337
Hopefully public opnion is negative enough that we won't be dealing with this drama again.
>old.reddit
A dying breed, reddit is a site with a shitty userbase, but it also became a shit site once they rolled the new interface.

11 of the top 15 RS being X girl evolutions is pretty funny, all drama aside

Alright, fess up. I know one of you did this.

>>24674043
>Why not write your passions, your magnum opus?
I'm trying but I'm mentally disabled

I'm at a passing stage in my life and need to make a quick dollar. Are these web-novels lucrative? I don't care to learn the codes and canons, or even what's presently popular; in fact I want to do as little research as possible. What I chiefly want to know is where to find the biggest paydays. Are there high-yield websites or competitions with big prizes? I'm not interested in small-fry sweepstakes or building an audience one person at a time. I want to write one pseudonymous piece of work and make off with my swag. I ask you, is it possible?

>>24674793
>I ask you, is it possible?
Not at all
Try niche erotica

>>24674786
I mean, it could've just been some redditor being cheeky. But they should hit the others up and ask for a shout-out swap. If they refuse, call them on hypocrisy, accuse of cabal shenanigans.
>>24674793
That sounds like a shitpost, but there's a Honeyfeed comptetion open right now with a prize money of 5k USD. They want you to suck each other though.

>>24674793
They're stupid lucrative for the top 1%. For everyone else who tries it's a couple of bucks per month, if that.

>>24674793
it's possible but you won't make a dime

can we use The Rant as a copypasta whenever some retard thinks he can "just" make some serious cash writing a web novel?

>>24674689
What even was your advice given, in layman’s terms?

>>24674821
what rant

>>24674821
It's always someone thinking they can make a quick buck or some highbrow writer who sees this beneath them—and suspiciously they always pass the opportunity to make a bunch of money from 'easy' writing. One guy did try though, but got clowned for being so out of touch and generic that I think he gave up.

>>24672572
I lurk the thread as a webslop reader and have never done creative writing in my life.

However I rarely ever use the actual royalroad website so I couldn't give these anons clicks/reviews even if they wanted them. Instead I download rr stories as epubs and throw them on my ereader.

>>24672603
>infodumping to the hygenist about shit she obviously doesn't care about when she asks a smalltalk question instead giving a simple answer
anon your social impairments extend far beyond merely what media you consume

>>24674711
>Hopefully public opnion is negative enough that we won't be dealing with this drama again.
I think it's too late. Doing this obviously pays off with no consequences. The mods even run cover for you when you do it.

>>24674810
Why not?

>>24672610
i wont complain about the sissy stuff since that's obviously the whole point of the work but why does every smutslop written by weeaboos contain futa.

>>24674668
just make the colostomy bag a rich vampire man, but he is a lesbian

>>24674861
Not really I think, if you follow the link the top answers are giving honest and actual reasons for why they don't like it—no cabal sperging or AI accusations—just plain annoyance.
And if the authors keep having to defend themselves, that means that they're getting some heat outside the usual hugboxes.

>>24674802
It's onlyfans for basement dwellers

>>24674841
read every /wng/ thread that has ever existed and maybe you will begin to comprehend the immensity of heaven and earth, junior

>>24674826
I wasn't one of the advising anons in this case, but I'd echo the sentiment to not build your story around robotic gods and god-like robotics that nobody can understand or care about. You don't need to test it to find this story has no endgame or payoff

>>24672898
>web novels without a focus on strength progression
even most systemless ones still do this, unfortunately.
i bet there are some villainess stories out there with elf/catgirl/vampire femcs but I don't know of any to recommend

I wrote what anons are calling The Rant and honestly my underlying line of argument is quite jumbled. some of the responses were much more accurately articulated and actually strike at the heart of the problem(s) I only touch on.

>>24674043
>Why not write your passions, your magnum opus?
Anon, the people writing slop are doing so because they genuinely enjoy reading it. Same as pulps 100 years ago. 90% of media really is that shallow. You have a narrow view of the past because most of that sturgeon's law stuff is forgotten by the passage of time, except the really standout literature.

>>24674095
Suicide note better not have any improper dialogue tags.

>>24674337
trvke. it's not any special manipulation.
literally every story on RS is doing the same precepts-chapter-schedule discord-shoutout-swap shit for marketing, besides the rare hits like arcanecadence that get there through views alone. the only difference between this wave of 9 stories and the top 9 on RS the week before them is that these make it OBVIOUS to previously clueless readers and writers who didn't know the rules of the game.

>>24674668
>scat fetish
>literally can't shit
how poignant. you should apply to some literary awards.

>>24674793
>I don't care to learn the codes and canons
you will NEVER get rich off patreonbux. give up now.
even the most lucrative slop field (romance/romantasy) is extremely heavily dependent on feeding your reader cattle the exact mixture of tropes and genre conventions they're used to or else they'll violently revolt

>>24674043
>The time I reincarnated as a 40-Year-Old Loser in the body of a young girl, with 999+ Cheat Skills
Where is this one getting posted and is there a fan wiki of all the different cheats revealed so far?

>>24675015
>Najimi ajimu
my wife....

>>24674786
Goddammit I had a review all written up, clicked on the wrong part of the screen, and it fucking disappeared. Piece of shit website, I'm filing a bug.
Anyway can't wait to read more.

Death to all millenial bugmen marvel consoomer authors that write shitty fantasy with cringe ass snarky humor and asexual protagonists

>>24675115
>reading web novels at all
>not a bugman consoomer
?

>>24674860
>infodumping
Dude, there's nothing wrong with telling someone the title of what you're reading and what it's about, especially if it's not really common like Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings or whatever. If someone asks, they're interested. And in that case, the hygienist never asked what I was reading, so I didn't tell her. Touch grass.

>>24674337
>https://old.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/1n04ghv/x_girl_evo_misconceptions/nayd3iq/
all the responses agreeing with the comment were posted roughly at the same time
the cabal is butthurt

>>24674656
>What are the best scifi web novels?
In my backlog, ready to be serialized(tm)

>>24673091
>>>24673036 (You)
>Post it
>
https://sharetext.io/ea2dfc1d
>
that's volume one.
Couple pages devoted to basic plot. Trust me the guy ends up quick with a new job in the city, and... there you go. From the moment the action starts, its fairly constant throughout. No pretense needed from that point on.

>>24674567
>also, you're Tina, aren't you? the broken sentences and comma usage is very distinctive. regardless of if you are or aren't, you should learn how english works before you take an elitist stance and condemn sloppa lol, it comes off very ironic
>
Tina-anon checking in.
No that wasn't me.
I own up to my posts.

>>24674796
>>I ask you, is it possible?
>Not at all
>Try niche erotica
I'm working on some pornographic erotica. a couple hundred bucks would buy some gourmet tendies. ha.

>>24674656
I like it anon. To be honest the first book to be just ok and has some annoying things about it and then it opens up and it's fucking great. Lots of horror and sci fi elements that merge and I'm not a big fan of horror but like how it is in this story. I've read all the way up to around chapter 20 of The Hungry Stars.

Anyone else here a fan of the Wisher Beware series?

if the main theme of my wn is “if superpowers suddenly existed, autists and schizos would become the number 1 cause of death and apocalypse”, would the RR mods sniff out said theme and thus reject my work?

>>24675430
fuck around and find out?

Still waiting for that anon to drop his mental illness litrpg progression fantasy based on psychological disorders listed in the DSM

>>24675430
no you're fine
I keep seeing people being schizo paranoid about this kind of stuff and the line is much further than you think it is, and even if it would cross the line if you set it in the real world if you fictionalize it then even that hair thin veneer will be enough
just tag the content warning tags or something

Can something tagged with sexual content get on RS?

>>24675455
>Still waiting for that anon to drop his mental illness litrpg progression fantasy based on psychological disorders listed in the DSM
>
would be fun. Each chapter is another waking up in another mentally ill person.

>>24675466
yes.
source: me, i did it with a lesbian sex scene in the first 30k words

>>24675487
But did you use the content warning?

I don't want to sound writerly anymore
I'm embracing the slop

>>24675494
yes

We're all authors yet this thread is slow as fuck.

>>24675754
writing

>Write happy and silly story
>Feel happy
>Hours later
>Feel depressed and wanting to delete all my stuff
Readers may never know my tortured artist self.
>>24675754
It's been rather uncomfy lately.

Archmage v2.0 hit #1 on Rising Stars.
When are you releasing YOUR clone?

>>24675466
Princess of the Void did it.

>>24675779
I need 1-2 more chapters and a cover. Will launch when I'm less moody.

>>24675754
yesterday i wrote for 20 minutes before realizing I had forgotten to include a character in the scenes.

are warhammer clones popular or existant in litrpg

>>24675754
I've been binge-reading through Zucchini, and will give On Foreign Soils We Die a try https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/75359/on-foreign-soils-we-die because it got a lot of praise in reviews. Got a bit of writing done today and yesterday and thought about posting the excerpts for critque but I'm not all that confident about it and I don't want to pause to line edit them. Reading it is.

>>24675455
I'm not actively writing it. If someone else wants to take a crack at it they can be my guest. I don't want to try to write mental illness and accidentally become mentally ill, you know?

>>24675829
i've had that one in my suggestions for awhile but the litRPG part didn't interest me very much so I never looked at it.

>>24674043
https://graphtreon.com/patreon-creators/writing

>>24675837
One review said the whole numbers thing "stays in its lane" and isn't part of the story at all (my guess is it's just about battle statistics and stuff), but I'll find out in a minute when I start on it.

>>24675838
Missing Selkie with 6,237 members making $14,120/mo. Selkie just finished BTDEM and is starting a new story about a magic academy.

Take that list with a grain of salt it's not capturing everybody.

>>24675754
Crabs are obnoxious. Also, people are actually writing.

>>24675829
>Got a bit of writing done today and yesterday and thought about posting the excerpts for critque but I'm not all that confident about it
I'll give it a read and critique. Only fair as you're doing the same for me.

>>24675857
https://graphtreon.com/creator/SelkieMyth
There's also adult writing and other categories.

>>24675884
https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/other
Selkie is here.

>>24675884
Ah, casualfarmer is top of adult writing. Not sure why he classified it NSFW.
Frankly I think it's a bit silly the way they have the categories, but it must be a patreon and creator thing.

>>24675838
>https://graphtreon.com/patreon-creators/writing
that zogarth number looks very high

There are people making 10k a month on patreon with a single incomplete book less than 80k words.
Who is the Pirate Software of Royal Road?

>>24675911
Hopefully nobody. I'm fine with talentless hacks, but I don't want to deal with a loudmouth telling me how writers and publishers should have the right to destroy books I bought remotely.

>>24675911
as in least writing for most money? i was convinced i could give an easy answer but most of the works i follow are guys grinding away at multimillion-word works for around or slightly above minimum wage

>>24675908
https://www.patreon.com/Zogarth
In what way? All the info is public.

>>24675917
i didnt mean it was sus i meant he makes a lot

>>24675911
It's not the number of words, it's how good the words are.
You must cultivate and refine your slop.

>>24675875
I'm even less confident of a crit swap, moreso in my ability to give anything meaningful. Sorry.

how do you anons write on a daily basis. what techniques do you use to build the habit?

>>24675925
I don't write LitRPG or progression stories. So I'm already better than all of you tranny faggots.

>>24675942
I don't write every day. All a matter of opening the word processor and writing. Outline thoroughly. Ashwagandha has helped me a lot since first taking it in May~April when it comes to writing too, other than its stress anxiety management.

Has anyone in these threads ever made real money writing these? And I don't mean a dollar here and there.

>>24675942
When I pumped 1k words a day 2 or so months ago, I just did it; Open the word processor, and wrote the scene I had in mind. But in that case it was very mechanical: fight chapter followed by character focused chapter. I also wasn't trying to hit a word quota, which makes it a lot easier.
This probably isn't the kinda of response that will help you, so I'll give you one that you can use in your life: habits are hard, but they always begin somewhere. Make your bed, drink your coffee and put writing as an hour in your routine. Doesn't matter if by morning or evening, just setup an hour, close all tabs and focus on writing something. It helps if you have small, reacheable goals, so, setup writing the first act in a month, for example.
And of course, be passionate about what you do (this one is the hardest desu).
>>24675952
One anon here is actually published.
>Who?
Lurk moar and so on.

>>24675952
Making a dollar here and there 1,000,000 times is what being a best selling author is.

Why are isekai'd characters always so boring? They come from Earth, but somehow the authors never treat the knowledge the characters have as valuable. The only times that knowledge is valuable is when they are done know-it-all that makes guns

But imagine you're a ruler and some guy comes along and tells you how they have cities with 20 million people. They have farms that use fertilizer that's produced in a factory from some gases. That shit is invaluable information, because it shows what's possible.

>>24675969
I keep telling people if I get isekai'd the world I arrive to have they would have transistors by the end of week 2.

>>24675942
Background info: You can build mini-addictions into your brain by using dopaminergic substances and pairing them with an activity. It's how gambling addictions form, for instance. Caffeine is a bit safer as it only takes a few days to reset your tolerance and there's no or very minor long term effects to prolonged use (other than messing up your sleep).

Here's my routine:
>wake up, shower
>grab an energy drink
>sit down, play some music (dopaminergic)
>open up librewriter docs: main story on vertical monitor, notes and outline on horizontal
>have my first /sip/ of the day (dopaminergic) reading the last one or two chapters I wrote to get in the headspace (make line edits if I spot problems)
>get to the end and keep writing according to the scene in my head and outline
>continue to drink energy drinks (one to three, been keeping it to two or less lately) while I write until I hit at least my target wordcount (was 1000, now I'm up to 2k)
>once that's done, check outline to see if it needs adjustment based on how the chapter turned out
>if my outline has problems, work on those next
>THEN and only then, do the rest of my internet dailies (you know what I mean)
>have brunch, go to gym, story bounces around in my head at the gym while I do my reading (RR, JNC, etc)
>have dinner, go home, watch anime unless I feel particularly inspired, in which case I do some outlining (I have first draft outline for a whole ass nother story, a story from years ago that needs adjustment, and now a premise and very rough plot for another story I came up with the other day)
>go to bed, fap, and think about what I want to write tomorrow as I fall asleep

Now obviously I'm a degenerate NEET so not everyone can do this, and I feel bad for y'all. The use of caffeine to train myself with dopamine to enjoy writing works wonders (I get more dopamine in the gym from reading, too). And yes, even the serotonin from fapping gets used to fuel my writing-brain as I fall asleep at night. This is what peak human performance looks like.

>>24675969
Bro you think other worlds don't have crazy people spouting off? You think we didn't burn witches and put incredibly smart people in prison and torture them because they were weird in our own history? Even today?

There are plenty of isekai stories where the MC goes in and rebuilds technology and civilization. Dr. Stone is even one, kinda. It gets old pretty fast. Besides which, it's hard to self-insert as Dr. Stone, because he's too smart and has too much shit memorized. Even Myne in Ascendance of a Bookworm got comments from readers about how she knew WAY more about household crafts like soapmaking than is normal, and it DID alienate readers a bit (since she was confirmed for not remembering much of what she read).

>>24675973
That's nice and then what? You create computers. Cool. You put the Calculators Guild out of business, they're mad at you, and you can't do much more because goblins are stopping you from setting up internet cables between cities.

>>24675995
>you can't do much more because goblins are stopping you from setting up internet cables between cities
Implying I'm not using centrifuges to enrich uranium by month 4.

>>24675995
Implying I didn't get the Calculators Guild in on the ground floor to begin with

>>24675995
That's the best part. You tell the goblins that helping you put down internet cables will give them a much wider range of people to swindle, and they become the fantasy version of indian tech scammers.

>>24674197
>>24674639
Just fucking noticed all the special weapons in the cover art.

Have they all appeared by now? I think we're only missing the sword on the very right.

>>24675930
That's fair. The hardest thing you can do as an author is put yourself out there.

>>24675999
Lvl 999 smart isekaijin
My man

>>24676001
lol

>>24675998
I sure hope you're up to date on metallurgy and metallurgic techniques and you have the right metals in your general vicinity!

>>24675487
Post it

>>24675983
Can I read your webnovel? I wanna see the fruits of this high-octane work ethic.

>>24676025
yeah i can't see this kind of high paced style producing anything other than peak or utter dreck, with a strong statistical lean towards the latter
i almost want to guess the author of Revenge of the Slop King probably writes like this

>>24676025
You can! It's on RoyalRoad!
I won't link it here because I don't want my author's identity ruined by association with 4chan in general, although the potential for spergouts here in /wng/ caught me off guard too. So, sorry, you'll have to stumble upon it organically.

>>24676022
>the chara-frisk poster from deltarune and undertale threads on /v/ has breached containment
Great, another schizo on this general

>>24676036
Give us some tags to narrow it down. You can keep it vague enough for plausible deniability.

>>24676036
Post a sample of your writing, then, something unpublished.

>>24676058
>>24676063
I'm going to post a sample that will only be live for 10 minutes. Be fast.

https://pastebin.com/8rXtgXQj

it would probably be too on the nose to have a bunch of retarded filthy headbobbing pirates get executed by being bound to the muzzles of cannons and then having the survivors fight in the open pit grave while shouting BLOODY BASTARD BLOODY YOU etc etc at one another right

>>24676036
>>24676081
i thought the eldritchcantoposting was just a shitpost

>>24676081
Wait, I was away. Do it one more time.

>>24676100
>eldritchcanto
Took me a second lol. I do wonder who that anon is, I've seem lots of Index posts in this general but I thought they were made by the anon writing a space opera.

>>24676110
Are you going to pay attention this time?

>>24676114
oh fuck see this is why I didn't want to paste anything
Now my whole index folder is burned

>>24676119
Yessir.

>>24676121
I'M SORRY!

>>24676123
You're lucky you're cute.
https://pastebin.com/e8Tk48G5

>>24676127
Thank youuuuu.

Have just written in the first collection of system levels into my fiction. Numbers, columns, and all.

Feels like the most self indulgent writing I've ever done.

>>24676127
I remember you posting before, an excerpt where your protagonist applied at the guild and didn't know how to read a clock or something like that. It's nice that you're able to enjoy what you do.

>>24676162
d-does number go up?
I need more of that number go up mang

>>24676172
Number went up in the chapter it was introduced imo. Quite a huge disparity right out of the gate.

>>24676170
I'm a little surprised I enjoy writing as much as I do. I had tried to start a few times in the past and real life kept getting in the way, but now that I've got a routine it's a lot of fun.
I hope I can make some real money from it someday, but if not, at least I enjoy reading what I wrote.

>>24676174
It's not actually Squid Girl Evolution is it?

I hope everyone is working hard on their [Animal] Girl Evolution webnovels!!!!

>>24672603
you dropped this *crown.jpg*
the only fake part of this story is that no woman here was shifting around in embarrassment that they're all reading romantasy slop that's twice as bad

>>24676114
But wait, I never posted one and there hasn't been that many index reaction img posts...

>>24676188
Sorry, but sword girl evolution is taking a backseat for her wielder, gamer boy battle master.

>>24676192
By 'lots' I mean something that points it at being one specific person posts. I thought you were the one posting because (until now) I knew three anons who usually posted anime reaction pics: me, you and the anon writing about a vegetable.

>>24676185
No... Its Zucchini

>>24676205
I'm not caught up; forgive me nyaatastic-sama.

>>24676198
I'm unironically a little miffed that there isn't a sword girl evolution story. You lied to me!

>>24674845
Was that Michael J Sullivan? The Riyria Revelations?
Those were passably-acceptable fantasy pastiche like 15 years ago, and they sold well at the time. Sullivan plastered it for free on Royal Road lately where it got roasted by noobs not knowing what they were looking at.
Tastes change I guess.

>>24676222
No no no, it was an anon here, posted an excerpt so painfully generic that everyone shat on, then proceeded to post on the catalog to be shat once again. It started with a kid jumping from a boat or something like that.
By the prose, it seemed like a /wg/ migrant.

>>24676231
Here, found it in the archive: https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24492191#p24496334

>>24676033
Peak or dreck: call it.

>>24676232
This is alright, honestly. He just needed to focus on some brevity with the prose, however.

Would have been better off for him if he wasn't arrogant about it.

>>24676251
I'm not going to re-read it but I remember it being all over the place, cluttered, and basically incoherent from being too much in the moment and not easing the reader into the scene. Way too many proper nouns and attempts to imply relationships, without actually managing the implications.

I hope he found the time to do a good rewrite.

>>24676251
Honestly, I just remembered him being shat upon and something about bad, flowery prose. I'll leave you with this FFF bonus that I thought was funny.

>>24676221
Oh, but there will be. She's not the main character, though, she will be the first weapon in the arsenal.

>>24676276
So GB? How woke.

>>24676038
I'm not them I just thought the picture was hot

>>24675973
Obviously that's not reasonable, but there's a lot that's left on the table in stories.
>>24675995
I'm not talking about rebuilding civilization. I'm talking about a high school math textbook revolutionizing maths for a medieval fantasy world.
>Even Myne in Ascendance of a Bookworm got comments from readers about how she knew WAY more about household crafts like soapmaking than is normal, and it DID alienate readers a bit (since she was confirmed for not remembering much of what she read).
I'm not talking about the MC going and making things, I'm talking about this from the perspective of the natives. Imagine an alien lands on Earth with a space ship. Absolutely everything about the alien and its technology will be scrutinized down to the most minute details to try to glean improvements of our own. Surely a fantasy world would try at least 1% as much as we would.

We wouldn't just go "hello, Mr alien. Oh, you can't actually do anything useful for us right this second? Well, fuck off!" And yet this is what I see in Isekai series.

>>24675983
Gwern used nicotine patches to build a gym habit: https://gwern.net/nicotine
Apparently it worked.

>>24676375
I mean this in the kindest way but you sound like an academic who lives in an ivory tower. Please visit a walmart or an underdeveloped country, or at least imagine doing so, and consider how they would react to a flying machine landing and strange looking people coming out and speaking a weird language.

Sure, if you isekai'd into a particularly curious wizard's tower, or before a particularly ambitious king, they might try to maximally utilize the knowledge another person would bring. Otherwise I think it's unlikely.

>>24675952
A few, I started last year in August, have made about 300 usd, over the course of the year. It gets easier the more you get into it, the best thing you wanna do is start immediately.

And there's at least two heads, here, who write full-time. If you saw that earlier bait post, ignore it, don't be discouraged by the cynics.

>>24676382
This is beyond even academic knowledge though. Have you never been abroad? Average people are often interested in foreigners, especially foreigners that are rare where they are. Like go on YouTube and watch some of those travel vlogs and you'll see people being swarmed.

>>24676390
I've been all over, although I must admit Cairo rather turned me off to the whole travel thing. Never go there, trust me.
Other than that we seem to have differing real world experiences on the topic, and we cannot find common ground.

>>24672554
>"Why would anyone read this juvenile escapist tripe"
>juvenile escapist tripe

you've answered your own question

>>24676221
>>24676198
Reincarnated as a Sword already exists, don't be a copycat

Gotta say, On Foreign Soils We Die has been interesting, only finished up to ch5 and the numbers stuff is a little offsetting but I'm slowly getting used to it sinc it's interwoven into the prose and doen't get too in the way. It's description gives me tarkov vibes and it gives me inspiration for writing a litrpg. a burgerpunk extract shooter. mm yes.

My magic school meets GoT story is missing its wow-factor. I think it's pretty interesting, but it's "just interesting", and not "holy shit this is awesome!" That's not good enough.

>>24676512
FFF-Anon?

>>24676400
You went to Cairo and didn't get swarmed by the locals? How?

>>24676512
fuck do you mean magic school meets GOT

>>24676478
Burger punk lmao

>>24676512
what's something you're personally wildly and uniquely passionate about? something you could talk to someone about endlessly?

Has anyone had success posting LLM stories?

>>24676714
I think the whole problem here is that I'm endlessly talking about something I'm passionate about, but listening is not the strong point of people, and there should probably be more action.

>>24676512
Add big titty goth succubi

Anthropomorphic Food Boy (Male) Devolution With System [OP to weak MC] [harem] [It's Serialized™]

>>24676748
The harem so far includes a vengeful underdog, masochistic genius, low-IQ swordmaster, and a rich aunt. Planning to add later: a deer, a rabbit, a pixie, and a vampire.
It's a story about particle physics

You know what we haven't discussed in a while?

Cabals.

>>24676003
It might be Asura's necklace on the monk girl's sword

Why do you guys enjoy this if you have to obey the same plot points, tropes and archetypes that have been done to death? Why participate in an arena of writing that penalizes you for originality? Don't you feel your creative spirits cut off at the knees? It would be one thing if this were purely a mercenary exercise - a way to fill up your pin money - but most of you, I see, put a prideful spin on your work. You think it requires a talent above the average and a work ethic twice that. Some of you goose your productivity with drugs. That's all fine, but what are you working toward? The RS is an almanac animals evolving into women, and ironically the plots don't evolve new ideas but delight in rehashing each other. It's a cannibalistic feeding frenzy. Doesn't that touch your souls at the quick, or are you totally unfeeling about the art you trade in?

shut up bitch

Post your work

>>24677113
>Why participate in an arena of writing that penalizes you for originality?
webnovels tend to be way more creative than pubslop.

>>24677113
FFF-Anon's words:
What is the meaning of life?” I know it’s a bit cliché to open a book with that question, but I’ve always admired how authors can offer their personal take even on the shallowest of stereotypes. You know, clichés, since are carved into us by our culture, are powerful tools that make it easier for the author to express complicated ideas concisely and for the reader to easily understand them. For example, suppose I introduce a female character named Charlotte, readers will instinctively assume she’s a spoiled lady from a noble family, or if a man is shown drinking early in the morning, we know something is very wrong with him---just a few words can communicate what entire paragraphs might fail to convey.

That’s why I believe artists shouldn’t obsess over breaking boundaries just for the sake of chasing or becoming the new avant-garde, which is just a different ingredients arrangement of the same dish. Instead, they should embrace these cultural cornerstones to sharpen their skills, using these solid foundations as support to break limits vertically, elevating their art into a new era. A dumb yet fitting example might be us humans, who, despite the physical limitations of our bodies, have never stopped pushing our civilization forward.

>>24677113
>Doesn't that touch your souls at the quick, or are you totally unfeeling about the art you trade in?
Going into the thunder dome is quite literally the best way to improve as an author. So many anons work on halfcocked purple prose, never writing anything more and always floundering. Never even publishing their works.

End result? You have a collection of bitter regulars here without any understanding of basic narrative structure. Who delete 90% of their work over and over in the pursuit of perfection, never learning anything.

>>24677113
>Why do you guys enjoy this
I want to write what I'd read.
>Don't you feel your creative spirits cut off at the knees?
No?
>That's all fine, but what are you working toward?
Writing and finishing the story I always wanted to write and read?
> Doesn't that touch your souls at the quick, or are you totally unfeeling about the art you trade in?
I simply couldn't care less.


>>24677174
People aren't that batter compared to wg, or at least I'd think so. I'm not that fast to write a chapter or except or post it here, and I don't want to set a precedent to start spamming them with what I do have.

>>24677224
They write nice purple prose (sometimes) but prod them into trying to write anything approaching a coherent narrative and they fall apart. Ask them to write something with a schedule and they can't do it. Ask them to publish something and its never happening.

Anons here are actually writing multiple long form series. Which is just not a feat the vast majority on /lit/ can lay claim too.

>>24676599
No, I was, but the motivation behind it was the big turnoff. They were just beggars. Just there to collect the dew dripping off tourists, the one or two euros from us that was a hundred egyptian dollars to them; a few tourists an hour is maybe ten euros, do that all day that's a hundred euros, and that's more than they'd make working an honest job. It was all short-sighted, because they didn't care about foreign culture or technology (other than what westerners market to them anyway, mainly smartphones); they just wanted a couple euros.
And if it wasn't beggars it was very aggressive and dangerous scammers. Golden-goose killers.
None of it was flattering or made me feel good. If a european isekai'd into the middle of cairo with no way back, the president of Egypt wouldn't find him and make him a government minister or researcher; he would be beaten for his clothes and anything else he had, and he'd be forced into the same low productivity labor race to the bottom as everyone else there, because as soon as he accumulated more property, he would be beaten and it would be taken. Or at least that's the sense I got.

And no before anyone asks this would make a terrible story. Nobody wants to read that depressing nonsense. That's why isekai people get cheats and beat up a bandit in the first few chapters. It's to resolve that unconscious conflict while demonstrating moral superiority in addition to physical superiority. NOW the hero can get on with introducing crop rotation and the printing press.

>>24677237
>Anons here are actually writing multiple long form series
Which don't approach a coherent narrative and can't maintain a schedule.

>>24677113
I write webnovels for the same reason as I wrote fanfic. No one else was writing what I wanted to read.

>>24677306
>Which don't approach a coherent narrative and can't maintain a schedule.
You haven't been reading any fics in /wng/, anon.

>>24677113
>Some of you goose your productivity with drugs.
I hardly think less than 500mg of caffeine qualifies as 'drugs.' I drink that much anyway, the only difference is that I consciously use it to enjoy a productive activity more than playing video games or reading passively. I could also have set that caffeine to studying, or even cleaning around the house. It's just a matter of understanding how to live your life according to a rhythm that works for you.

For instance, I don't eat until I'm mostly done writing. I write better on an empty stomach, and eating too early makes me feel off all day. Additionally, I shower first. I find skin oil distracts me. Other people might do better to roll out of bed, grab a bagel and coffee and sit down at the computer immediately.

More to your point: I made a conscious decision that I'd rather do something badly than never try, as a general life principle. I'd rather have one self-published book that's objectively bad and die there, rather than never have published at all. Eventually I'll improve, or I won't, and after my death people can take my measure as a man and say "damn that guy sucked at writing but he sure kept at it didn't he?"

I think it's just ego that keeps people in a cycle of trying to self-express and self-actualize with creative activities, but they keep polishing and never actually DO the self-expression or self-actualization. Too much worry about how other people will react to them taking something from their inner world and putting it in the outer world.

>>24677332
yeah man, i feel that. lots of people get stuck in the "polishing" phase and never actually put their stuff out there. it's all about that ego and the fear of what others might think. but fuck that, right? better to have something out there, even if it's not perfect, than to never share your stuff at all. keep grinding, bro! your dedication will pay off eventually.

>>24677237
>nice purple prose
Purple prose is a pejorative. The fact you don’t even know this, implies you’re in no position to critique or even remark on others’ writing. You’re a retard.

The funniest thing is that the people here claim they love tight plotting and interesting narratives, so they have to strip down the prose and descriptions to make room for all that. But then you read their shit and half of it is just abject garbage. Obvious grammar mistakes, meandering plot, dialogue that makes you want to gouge out your eyes….

The truth is that good writers can do all of these things: prose, plotting, dialogue…none of these things should be written in isolation or deliberately excised, they are all interconnected and flow together naturally. Stop coping about how you’re focusing on one aspect over another: you’re just deeply untalented and too lazy to make up for your shortfalls.

How do people feel about switching from first person to third between volumes? I greatly prefer third, but the genre I'm pulling from, hardboiled noir, leans heavily into first to the point where it feels necessary to at least open with that classic narration.
I'm hoping to do a duology in first that introduces the characters and world before switching to third, maybe justifying it with some point of view changes after having the cast expanded, but there's that ever present fear of the fickle whims of readership.

>>24677373
>Purple prose is a pejorative
Yes. Because I don't respect you as a writer, congratulations for figuring it out.
>truth is that good writers can do all of these things: prose, plotting, dialogue
You are not a good writer. Its immediately obvious from the way you type, that you are the type of meandering retard who writes a few paragraphs, deletes 70% of it and then starts over in his pursuit of perfection.

You can't even talk about other anons writing, because, in reality, you are almost certainly the type of fag who will not even read past a singular sentence.

You will never be a good writer. You are a meandering "purple prose" fag, and you can seethe on that prejorative.

this argument is extremely autistic.

>>24677396
>You are not a good writer. Its immediately obvious from the way you type, that you are the type of meandering retard who writes a few paragraphs, deletes 70% of it and then starts over in his pursuit of perfection.
>
Is this TINA? Or do other anons misuse too many commas like that when they post. And if this isn't TINA why aren't you being made fun of the same way.

>>24677405
It is, honestly. Talking to crabs is basically a massive waste of time.

>>24677405
no u

>>24677406
No? Why are you posting "Tina" with all caps like an ESL btw

>>24677378
>How do people feel about switching from first person to third between volumes? I greatly prefer third, but the genre I'm pulling from, hardboiled noir, leans heavily into first to the point where it feels necessary to at least open with that classic narration.
>
anon? Like you were there when I went through the same thing. I never mixed. If you can mix and pull it off report back on it. What I like about true first person is this. It forces* the author to limit everything to one person. What that one person sees and hears and thinks. This prevents the reader from knowing too much information. It guarantees some mystery and suspense. Because the reader doesn't get that info until the first person gets it. I feel there's something more intimate when first person is used.

>>24677307
>I write webnovels for the same reason as I wrote fanfic. No one else was writing what I wanted to read.
join the club. I grew up reading dad's and grand-dad's basement shelves of paperbacks. I want to make paperbacks that recreate that period. Just let a book be a damn book. No... preaching or woke bullshit.

>>24677396
You said “nice purple prose.” If you wanted to insult someone, you would just say “purple prose.” Nice purple prose doesn’t exist, that’s like calling someone a smart retard. Or a skinny landwhale.

See if I called you a retarded faggot, there is no confusion there, no contradiction. We can all see how you failed to scrape the cum off your teeth, presumably because you haven’t figured out how mirrors work. Once you learn what words and phrases mean, instead of meekly repeating things other people have said, you might make some kind of progress. At some point you should also learn how punctuation works, but one step at a time, my retarded faggot friend.

>>24677307
Same, but I think I lost my way; this writing business is harder than I thought.

>>24677430
>Nice purple prose doesn’t exist
Do you understand sarcasm? Are you actually autistic, anon?

Be honest.

>>24677430
damn, that's embarrassing

>>24676038
>Great, another schizo on this general
Cool. TINA and FFF and this new one can all go have lunch and enjoy a little writer sperg-fest.

>>24677434
>They write nice purple prose (sometimes) but prod them into trying to write anything approaching a coherent narrative and they fall apart.
>yeah bro I was totally sarcastic
Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>24677451
>Stop embarrassing yourself.
Understanding sarcastic language is basic reading comprehension. Do you know how to read?

I'll make a simpler, more straight forward insult for your autistic, seething, ass. Perhaps you will understand it?

You are a retard. You do not know how to read. You do not know how to write.

>>24675245
holy shit. I cut and pasted into my text editor. Once you get past the introduction it starts getting naughty. I skimmed. It stays naughty as hell all the way through. There's three more of these? Holy shit. Its like a 600 page Penthouse Letter.

>>24677456
Unless you were implying that people who write purple prose can also write coherent narratives, then no that sentence wasn’t sarcastic. So we have three items on your agenda now: learn what words mean, learn punctuation, and then learn what sarcasm is.

You can’t write until you finish that curriculum. Get back to me once you have that down!

>>24677465
Are you fucking retarded? I was stating all you know how to do is write meandering purple prose.

You are actually ESL, because I know you do not know how to parse the most basic understanding from a simple fucking sentence.

Holy. Fucking. Shit. Dude.

>>24677465
>You can’t write until you finish that curriculum. Get back to me once you have that down!
>
and who the fuck are you? You sound like one of those purple haired retards screaming at everyone. You're obviously unhinged. Seek medication.

>>24677465
everyone was having fun and then this massive faggot showed up.

>>24677315
No, they're unreadable

>>24677470
>>24677477
>>24677484
Autistic retards think I’m actually prescribing a curriculum….you faggots can’t even maintain a consistent release schedule, I have no faith in any of you.

don't worry, my upcoming web serial should be bretty gud

>>24677497
Not even me?

>>24677430
>skinny landwhale
lmao

>>24677498
Mine will be shit.

>>24677499
There is hope for you. Meditate at the shore of Liter-ah-sea and you will find enlightenment.

>>24677497
>Autistic retards think I’m actually prescribing a curriculum
No? Look, we've been shit talking each other this entire time. Let's just call it quits, I made a mistake falling for bait in the first place anyway.

>>24677511
You’re an ESL faggot and I’ll never stop making fun of you. The way you type is so idiosyncratic that I’ll recognize it like trip. You’re Tina 2.0 but at least Tina writes things. You are nothing.

>>24677515
>You’re an ESL faggot and I’ll never stop making fun of you.
Mr. "You retards think I'm actually prescribing a curriculum." Nobody did. You are actually an ESL retard. My bad for thinking otherwise.

>>24677517
Retard says what?

Wait, what...?

>>24677526
>what?
Spotted the retard.

>>24677528
Retard.

There's no reason for this.

All of you suck at writing. No im not just saying this for attention, all of you just plain suck. None of you know what a good plot is, even if it walked up right to you and started slapping yer balls. Also you’re gay. I just know you’re gay.

>>24677536
I agree, there isn't. I apologize for making Mr. Curriculum actually mad, because now he's not stopping.

>>24677536
Autism and pride are a dangerous combination.

>>24677536
Namo Amitabha.
There's a reason for everything.

>>24677539
Your mom would be skinny if she wasn’t a landwhale. I’m going to harpoon her now stand back

Just saying, I'm on anon's side

>>24677537
I'm good at writing.
How many civil wars within a civil war has your story?

>>24677566
Zero. I’m writing erotic autofiction. Never had sex yet though so I can’t get to the erotic part yet. Already written ten chapters

Guys...I have a confession to make
I'm not actually ArcaneCadence

>>24677497
>you faggots can’t even maintain a consistent release schedule
I actually haven't missed a day since I started posting. MWF, every week, without fail (although twice a chapter went up several hours late because I forgot to schedule it properly, haven't made that error in months). It helps massively that my normal writing routine produces seven chapters a week and I only post three, so even when last month I took off to go to a convention, I had plenty of backlog to take the hit, and now that I'm home my backlog is growing once again.

Why would someone blindly make this accusation? There's only a few open RR authors in this thread. I know ONE of them doesn't miss releases because he posts it here every fucking time, and I don't think Zucchini is missing days either. Honestly, who hurt this guy?

Guys...I have a confession to make
I'm not actually Buddhist

>>24677728
Quit coping you missed a deadline a week ago. Get to work!

>>24677406
Most of the retards ITT are illiterate. You point out their posts are incoherent, and they’ll respond “no I’m just not taking this site seriously.” Ok, fair enough.

But later they’ll post their work and you’ll see the exact same mistakes, in the exact same places. The truth is that good writing is evident through the technical habits people keep up. If their posts are repeatedly sloppy and formatted strangely, their writing will also be disordered. Many such cases here…

>>24677113
Webnovels will take over regular books, especially among men. Of course there will be mediocre authors who's only in it for the money, as we can see by the pathetic ones that spammed royal road with their monste girl slop.

>>24675911
the nature of webnovels makes it impossible to string people along the same way that patreonscam games do. you've gotta actually keep releasing chapters or people will unsub

>>24675969
This used to happen in a shitload of different stories. Basically any japanese isekai WN would pull it for a while. Guess people got tired of it.

>>24676188
let me know when someone writes one of these with proper darwinism instead of this litrpg slop.

>>24677803
>Webnovels will take over regular books
Webnovels are your coping mechanism for not being able to draw manga or code a video game. Webnovels have never been anything other than the vestigial gonads flapping across the pale curve of the landwhale known as PopSlopCulture.

Everything you write is the runoff of concepts that have always worked better through a visual medium. Whatever you write, an anime or comic book has done it better, fifty times over. Have fun playing catchup when everyone will literally watch a movie instead of reading your drivel.

>>24677822
but i can code. autism levels are very elevated among the litrpgslop audience.
however i wont touch vidjagaem development with a 10 foot pole, what a cancerous industry

>>24677822
It's not really, writing is my third hobby, I've already gone pro in the other two and live on royalties. There's always hacks like you who never made it, turned bitter because you suck and try to discourage others. Many in this thread will make it, as long as they don't have your traits.

>>24677803
>Of course there will be mediocre authors who's only in it for the money, as we can see by the pathetic ones that spammed royal road with their monste girl slop.
nah man, don't be ignorant. the people who wrote the monster girl slop did so out of a love for the game. it's well known among successful authors (which most if not all of the evo girl sloppers already are) that Female Protagonist and Non-Human Lead are MASSIVE debuffs when it comes to making money. quirky stories like that do well on royalroad but horrible on amazon, which is where $$$ is made
so you have it completely wrong. accuse them of gay collusion and whatnot, but it wasn't for the money. it would've been male MC sys-apoc if they wanted cash

>>24677831
>Many in this thread will make it, as long as they don't have your traits.
Rare white pill.
But seriously, just ignore that guy. It's clear that he has problems and opnions that no one can change. You'll gain nothing by engaging with him.

>>24677826
>>24677831
>>24677850
>first reply is: ”uh I code bro I just don’t wanna make video games…please believe me”
>second watches more slop than writing, hence why it’s a “third hobby”
>last is anime image
Many such cases.

>>24677822
Lel, the two creative areas you should never touch is animation and comics. The work is immensive and the output is meager, that czech couple have worked on their animated movie since the 70s and are going to die before they finish. If Miura choose the novel format instead Berserk would have been finished 20 years ago and he would probably still be alive.

>>24677860
>man it’s so hard don’t do it
>write fanfiction-with-extra-steps because it’s easier
Retard.

>>24677822
>Everything you write is the runoff of concepts that have always worked better through a visual medium.
Naw there's never been a cosmic horror lesbian adventure nearly as good as Katalepsis. Nor have I read thoughtful, inventive fantasy stories like Alexander Wales' serials. APGTE is better fantasy than any comic, movie, or TV show I've watched too. And so on.
Visual mediums have extreme production limitations. You can't tell million-word stories when it takes a full week to pump out even low-quality webcomic sloppa, much less animation.
Clueless take through-and-through. You clearly aren't a reader, since the major benefit of writing-as-a-medium is plain as day, and somehow you missed it.

>>24677870
>I love slop so you must be wrong
A picture is worth a thousand words. And you faggots aren’t exactly known for prose. Keep coping.

>>24677844
I'm not going to argue about the cabal shittery as I'm too tired about it, but:
>Female Protagonist (...) MASSIVE debuffs when it comes to making money
Is it true though? We've got Archmage recently, BTDM made a lot of money. Maybe you could say that they are exceptions, but there's a market for femMC stories.

>>24677855
>>first reply is: ”uh I code bro I just don’t wanna make video games…please believe me”
youve gotta be some kind of twitch brained high schooler if you actually think the majority of programmers secretly want to slave away in the game mines

>>24677881
>yeah if you want to make a game you HAVE to slave away there isn’t any other option
>not like there’s a way to make a game INDEPENDENTLY….like an INDIE GAME….hmmmm….
No major company would take you anyway, so you can stop coping about that. You’re just a lazy retard.

>>24677874
>but there's a market for femMC stories.
Yes, but it's many times smaller
Even the biggest femmc money-makers (Azarinth Healer, BTDEM) make a fraction of what the big-boy male mc power progression sloppa does. DCC, Primal Hunter, DOTF, etc are pulling in unbelievable amounts of money on amazon (and generally just have bigger patreons too).

When it comes to formulaic, I-want-to-make-cash approaches, pumping out a sys-apoc male mc story is no doubt the standard.


Also, FemMC is the smaller debuff. Non-human is the big one that almost never succeeds on amazon

>>24677893
Maybe you should let out your own inadequacy of being unable to make gaem on /v/ instead of insisting in fucking /lit/ of all places that anyone claming to not care about vidya as much as you is lying.

>>24677899
I see, thanks.
>Non-human is the big one
Yep, that was why I skipped when I quoted you.

>>24677905
>more coping
You would rather write paragraphs on things people are already creating through visual mediums. Either you’re inept or you’re a bugman. The cope is real.

>>24677914
visual mediums are for children. grow up

>>24676910
Oh shit you're probably right. Then I think we've seen them all.

>>24677916
>visual mediums are for children
>but all I write are stories attempting to invoke those visuals
So you have the mindset of a child. Very helpful self-tell there.

>>24677916
Not just children, also philosophical zombies with no imagination or IQ too low to truly think about text.

If someone gives me the dry bones of an isekai plot, I can flesh it into a masterpiece and we'll divide the competition prize 80-20. I don't read web novels, but I do write grammatically, so the competition should be soft work. Just lay forth the plot chapter by chapter, and I'll shape the characters and dialogue, shade in the scenery, and we'll have a novel to conjure with. Now I could go through the spadework of reading four or five Isekai novels and choosing among the common elements for my plot, but that would mean reading reams of eye-watering prose, and why do that when people like you all delight in these novels and know the plot beats cold. So, any takers?

>>24677925
>isekai
Lmao

>>24677925
ok so theres this guy right. and hbe gets hit by a truck or somme shit. and the goddess is like "oh FUCK that wasnt supposed to happen here have some op shit"
and he gets a Cheat Power that makes him win every fight but not before a wordcout bloating fight scene where he easily blocks every enemy attack before oneshotting them.
the plot is uh. the church is Evil. and they keep sending bad guys at him every week. and also elf wiafus

>>24677925
>but I do write grammatically, so the competition should be soft work
The hubris is off the charts. Post your portfolio. Surely you have some published, recognized quality work to share?
I mean your post contains a number of bad comma splices so you're not putting your best foot forward.

>>24677931
Sounds like FFF unlucky ant tangonist.

>>24677939
I tried to get into it, but it wasnt for me. I can appreciate the author’s world building, and I’ve tried to enjoy it, but I just can’t.

The constantly switching viewpoints when you haven’t really defined your mc’s motivation. The oveeconvoluted situations that make way more sense when characters have been previously well established (which they have not]. The author has chosen a really difficult style to pull off and imho he hasn’t. it is really hard to read .


hope it can get better. And I know the author has been working hard for all to make sense. It just feels way too much, way too fast, way too early.

>>24677939
>>24677931
Fuck off my MC ain't OP and the Trinitarian Church ain't evil.

>>24677945
you better not steal my story idea kinoman. im patenting that shit

>>24677945
I tried to get into your story but I just can’t.

The constantly switching viewpoints when you haven’t really defined your mc’s motivation. The oveeconvoluted situations that make way more sense when characters have been previously well established (which they have not]. The author has chosen a really difficult style to pull off and imho he hasn’t. it is really hard to read .


hope it can get better. And I know the author has been working hard for all to make sense. It just feels way too much, way too fast, way too early.

>sit down
>writing mode on
>write about 1/3rd of what I expect to
>suddenly have to check something in a previous chapter
>forget where exactly in the chapter it is
>read the whole chapter
>it was one of the better ones
>"wow I can I be such a good writer, I need to believe in myself more. anyway time to do laundry and dishes and feed the cats and take medication"
>get up and do a bunch of other things
>writing left unfinished(it is NOT serialized)

everyone in this thread knows that there are no goyim posting here, right?

>>24677948
Don't worry
my Elf-GF ain't an elf.

>>24677956
Rabbit-anon?

>>24677956
NOT based rabbitanon. You gotta finish your shit, lest readers lose trust in your serialization skills.
>>24677957
I never paid a cent to any writer and I don't expect anyone to do the same for me.

Crossed the 300k mark lads.

>>24677966
Congrats man
Here's to another thousand pages

>>24677925
>Just lay forth the plot chapter by chapter
thats the magic sauce tho
writing grammatical sentences doesn't even matter, lots of sloppa doesnt

>>24677925
chapter 1: MC fucking dies
chapter 2: MC meets cute girl 1
chapter 3: MC meets cute girl 2
chapter 4: MC meets cute boy 1
chapter 5: MC goes on an adventure with CG1/2 and CB1.
chapter 6: at the climax of the adventure it is revealed that cute boy 1 was a cute girl in drag! Oh no(?)!
chapter 7: MC meets cute girl 4(CB1 became CG3)
chapter 8: while traveling with CG4, MC befriends a cute animal/monster companion.
chapter 9: MC, CG4, and CA/MC go on an advanture!
chapter 10: at the climax of the adventure, CA/MC evolves into a cute girl!(CG5)
chapter 11: MC becomes a cute girl for a chapter!
chapter 12: MC is no longer a cute girl!
chapter 13: MC meets cute girl 6!
chapter 14: MC meets an old lady.
chapter 15: MC goes on an adventure with CG6 and OL.
chapter 16: At the climax of the adventure, OL reveals her magical transformation technique and turns into a cute girl!(CG7)