Thread 23407269

Is there any other people who have recently gotten in to Gundam and watching for the first time or anyone looking for a rewatch of UC shows?

Through Gquacks I've become interested in gundam and it's been really fun going through all the UC based shows after it. I thought it would be fun to discuss and theorize with anyone else who might be watching for the first time. 40 years of content is pretty intimidating to try and work through.

I really was surprised how much I ended up liking kamille and bright noa's characters.

>>23407269 (OP)
I'm also going through UC for the first time. Currently I'm being filtered by ZZ and its classic nipponese comedy.

>>23407340
A lot of Tomino's works are comedic at the start like early ZZ I dunno why it's such a hurdle for people

>>23407340
I understand exactly what you moreso if you really liked Kamille. ZZ just feels so off

>>23407354
ZZ is a hurdle i feel not so much for the comedy, but rather the complete change of vibe in the MC. if you just watch zeta and start on ZZ you just watched the MC mind break, Char is no where to be found, You start with comedy and immediately you think "but what happened to kamille? who the fuck are these people?" It's not the comedy but the characters and the opening writing of zz. I couldn't get over that in ZZ.

>>23407362
>but what happened to kamille?
Kamille is right there nigger.

I'm game honestly for doing an /m/ rewatch. We should also pick up the obscure stuff as well.

>>23407371
Which shows would you consider obscure?

>>23407354
My main issue is that the jokes aren't really landing and there's not much interesting going on. Also, whilst I don't hate Judau, he's definitely a step down from Kamille.
>>23407362
>moreso if you really liked Kamille
Yeah, as I said above, I really liked Kamille. Easily one of the best protags from any show I've watched recently.

>>23407386
the theme park ones. let's be honest probably igloo and evolve too

Oh man. I forgot about Gquacks.

>>23407269 (OP)
Interesting timing for a thread. I finished a rewatch of 0079 (about my fourth or so) and a rewatch of Zeta (my second) a short while ago, showing them to a friend who was seeing them for the first time. We'll be headed on to ZZ soon.

>>23407340
I personally really enjoyed ZZ when I watched it for the first time, I took others' advice of taking a break of about a month or so between Zeta and ZZ. It's been longer since finishing Zeta again, I'm sorry about the whiplash.

Overall, honestly I am just glad to see you guys watching /m/ stuff. It's a cool genre and there's tons of cool stuff to see. Peace on earth and goodwill to /m/en.

>>23407395
It's a bit hard to keep track with novels, manga, ova etc. It's confusing to keep the narrative straight like how cca is based of the novels.
are you talking about this?
https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Mobile_Suit_Gundam_MS_IGLOO:_The_Hidden_One_Year_War

>>23407401
Great timing for a thread then! they're free to come in and join. I'd love for this to be a thread where someone who just watched x.y.z can come in and post their thoughts and feelings on things as they work the series.

When I recently watched 0079 and I had a whole bunch of thoughts on Amuro's characterization during the middle but didn't feel like sharing or get shit on because "you should know xyz happened"

>>23407362
>but what happened to kamille? who the fuck are these people?
I know most people skip episode 1 because it's 99% a preview/recap but the one scene that actually takes place after the final Zeta episode (with reused animation lol) literally has Bright say "Kamille is unresponsive so we have to hurry to a hospital in Side 1"

>>23407340
the start of zz is really good. it's the middle part when it starts to become a slog. it gets good again near the last 10 episodes. tomino shows always end with some banger episodes

I'm up to episode 5 of first series. It's been growing on me but my favourite part so far is still the technology.

Episode 6 was great.

>>23407415
i wish we got more stuff that takes place in the first 8 months of the war where it was mobile suits vs conventional warfare.

>>23407986
I can't deny the mass appeal of shower char. Nice to see you, I'll start with 6 as well then

Episode 7 Fuck old people and fuck Kai.
>>23408113
Sweet

>>23409990
>fuck Kai.
Kai did nothing wrong.

>>23409990
bright is a lot younger and competent than I expected. He's only 19 in the 0079 series with less than a year of service. I kept thinking bright was around 26-30. For him to be a taii for both young in experience and in age means he was most likely a prodigy. He's quick on his feet, perceptive, and level headed. I actually really think him and char are more parallels than amuro. they're also both hot

Kai is really annoying. He acts like your typical shitty unmotivated coworker who thinks they are the best in their unit and hate people for no reason.

>>23407269 (OP)
I used to watch MSG compilation, and then Zeta and ZZ. Right now I'm rewatching them starting with proper 0079 series instead of compilation.

>>23410131
I joined another anon on their watch so we're on ep 7 now, we're trying for one episode a day if you want to start there?

I feel like the compilation movies /zeta new translation are completely different experiences than the show. although more so in zeta new translation. looking forward to reading any thoughts you have

>>23410140
Last episode I watched was episode 4, currently I'm finishing 00 rewatch. Might join in soon.

>>23410088
Kai is a jerk and he has a jerk face.
>>23410124
All I knew was slap memes so I expected him to be a hardass not a guy freaking out all the time. Love it.

>>23410247
>Kai is a jerk and he has a jerk face.
He is merely responding reasonably to his unreasonable situation.

>>23410140
My only experience with compilations are 0079, SEED and G-Reco. 0079 feels like a movie and I see why people recommend it, pacing feels natural. SEED however is the worst, even if I like the montage of Kira fighting, spliced with him having sex with Flay with Zips playing. But it was so breakneck I decided to say fuck it, Imma watch SEED and suffer through Hiraiface.

>>23407269 (OP)
I've been rewatching zeta since it's been almost a decade since I watched it and zz. I didn't rewatch 0079 after gquuuuuux but I did think about it, instead I just watched the few episodes lalah is in

Skip Victory and X, Victory is ungodly and X is a snoozefest, also FUCK D.O.M.E. the n word is absolutely needed, wtf else would you call them? They literally exist.

>>23407269 (OP)
I found a person going through Gundam for the first time on /v/ a while back. I'm at Victory at the moment but i have no problem talking about stuff. If you want you can leave a steam ID or something.

>>23410349
He's being far more mean than he needs to be.

>>23410708
Groomer alert.

>>23410616
I mean, DOME outright calls them mutants. The issue with "Newtype" is that it's a word with pre-existing meaning and expectations that was thrown onto them once they appeared (which also matches up with Newtype theory or expectation of human space evolution coming before Newtypes themselves in UC), the whole idea of a superior enlightened and evolved human or even a divine savior.

>>23410931
Oh, for sure, but what I appreciate about Kai is that he won't be quiet about his resentment over being forced into the role of a combatant, even when he knows that he still has to fight to survive. It makes him abrasive, but it's nice to have a clear voice of dissent among the main cast.

>>23411035
Oh he's definitely an ass and abrasive as you said. I think my problem with him is that having someone like that on your team in war would just make me want to dump them because of how they might defect.
I get the character they were going for but they could've done it in ways that don't make you want to kill the dude yourself

Pick one.

>>23410934
In all seriousness i was being geniuine

Episode 8 time now

>>23411324
Nta but just post it here. Suggesting off site is weird out of context

>>23411358
Its just how i've done it before. Actually can't you use xyz for streaming and get a chat room going? I remember how they did it back on /v/ when they did megaman NT warrior streaming. You could turn this into an event.

>>23411362
Sorry this is what i meant.
cytu dot be
You can use this. I'm down for a watchalong

>>23411362
Personally I was thinking for somewhere to write out my theories with other people who have only just watched to the show because people are quick shit up threads or tell you how to watch something. I would rather stop in and read an Anon's fresh opinion and reply on mine and their own time rather than try to go through a stream of consciousness. you don't need to make events out of everything and just let people post in their own time. /m/ is slow there is no need for constant activity.

I'm also old and miss forums any other anon is more than free to start a new thread for a live watch session.

>>23411384
Based, fuck vedditors.

>>23411373
one thing that's worked outside of "okay everybody here at 8p" is you can rig your channel to have say, two episodes of Ideon on a loop and change them out once a week (or one a day or whatever), and people can tag along at their own pace and discuss back here

https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/15785248/
here's an example of how an Ideon groupwatch went that was largely successful

>>23411443
>>23411455
OP already said they don't like this kind of thing. Thanks for the info

>>23411443
Finding eps shouldn't be an issue. I've just been watching on youtube.

Episode 8: RIP St. Anges. Goodbye hopefully forever, old man. Char seems like a great friend.

Not recently for Gundam itself since I grew up on Wing and then Seed/00 ect, but I recently finished watching all of UC and the 90s AU shows like X. Holy shit Cosmo Babylonia and Zanscare are so evil it's hard to take them seriously.
0079 actually ended up becoming my favourite show of the entire franchise, amd Amuro and Char are god damn amazing characters in 0079. X became one of my favorites too, Jamil is a fantastic character, Garrod is fun and Tiffa is adorable.

>>23410616
You misunderstand, Dome isn't denouncing Newtype powers. Dome is saying that there's no magical god race that will usher in paradise though their magic enlightenment, and that if humans want to bring about a better world, rhey must do it themselves and not wait for a magic messiah. Jamil says that he's just an ordinary human with PTSD, not Jesus Yamato, same with Lancerow. Dome uses Garrod as an example of what really matters, going against fate and fighting for a better future.

>>23411241
I do get where you're coming from, but I think in the long-run he ends up working well. It helps that he gets some of the best episodes in 0079 as spotlight eps.

>>23411805
I've been thinking about a bit earlier when amuro is doing his first battles with char.
Char doesn't doesn't know how to react because Amuro is not acting like the people who fought before. he's used to planned battles while amuro is just a tech otaku. I'm suprised with how much amuro loves tech in general they never made some sort of spin off of amuro working and building various suits considering the level of detail he goes in to explaining to his team. (unless they did but it's hard to find in the hundreds of spin offs kek). I think I would like amuro as a character more if i saw him autistically harping on about his special interest.
Char seems to pilot but amuro understands the fundamental way the tech moves. I'm curious to see if that really affects any future battles compared to 'newtype' status.

>>23407354
>A lot of Tomino's works are comedic at the start like early ZZ I dunno why it's such a hurdle for people
I don't know what the fuck you are talking about when only daitarn 3, xabungle and ZZ starts like that.
even the lighter shows like gainer and turn-A starts in a serious tone, everything else he did starts with a melancholic atmosphere right from episode 1.

>>23407269 (OP)
It's 40 years of content but the meat and potatoes of it is MSG + Zeta + CCA, everything else you want is a dessert or side dish tbqhwyfam
>>23407340
You can honestly skip ZZ and miss almost nothing of value. After 20+ episodes of garbage the show gets decent, then improves a lot in the final arc but you can honestly skip a fuckton of episodes and not miss anything of value either. Be prepared for everyone you like from Zeta Gundam to act retarded and the new cast to fuck each other over time and time again then face no consequences whatsoever.
>Whoops I betrayed the crew and used the other MS pilot as a human shield again
>>23407354
Xabungle and Daitarn 3 execute the comedy fantastically and don't have the baggage of "this is a sequel to a show where 90% of the cast anhero'd 2 weeks ago"
>>23408087
idk man just watch Dougram instead
>>23412315
I think Turn-A balances the comedy, serious and melancholy perfectly. I really wish G-Reco maintained the same atmosphere

>>23410960
>>23411824
At the point they have reached in X, there have been multiple newtypes, none of which have god like wisdom. Newtypes literally are mutated humans, they are humans that have genetic mutations which is how evolution happens. The physical properties of a new type do seem “god like” in comparison to human abilities, but they have interacted with newtypes enough to understand that newtypes do not have “god like” wisdom. Regardless, they are a distinct group of beings, and thus need a word to describe them, much like autism describes a wide range of disorders, you can be an elon musk “super genious” or a barely conscious tard who can only scream and bang his head again a wall repeatedly.
To censor a word, especially one in common parlance, purely because you disagree with it ideologically is stupid and doesn’t even work as another word will appear to describe the thing the old word covered.
If DOME had a problem with people regarding newtypes as Gods, then all he needed to do was say Newtypes are not gods, they just are more evolved than normies in regards to fighting, not ban words like a janny.

>>23412345
Dome was arguing that since there's thousands of different races with dark skin you should never use the N word for any of them because it's uncouth and also gets you range banned outside of /b/

>>23410124
In general the Japanese are weird about age, you see it everywhere.

>>23412442
I don't know, I mean you look at disney movies back when and everyone is like 14 too.

>>23410616
Victory is ok, just a bit heavy on the repetitive misery porn at times
X is good, /m/'s weird relationship with it is funny

>>23412627
Anyone who enjoys victory should unironically kill themselves

>>23412699
based anno hater.

>>23412627
>Victory is ok
>X is good
>>>>>>>>misery porn
Go back zoomer.

>>23412274
Amuro starts as a techie carried by his machine while char is a pilot dragging his inferior zaku to superiority. By the end their piloting abilities and their machines relative powers will be quite different I can assure you. amuro will be the one dragging the Gundam to the finish line in the end

It's like people don't read the op before replying. Bunch of faggots in here

>>23412345
Yeah, I do agree that the show words it wrongly, that one line is sort of dumb. But the conversation that followed the "Newtypes don't exist" line is about the "newtypes will/ will not make a new world utopia" context and not about them actually existing.

>>23407269 (OP)
yeah actually, just got through the slog that was ZZ and man i'm honestly kinda annoyed that kamille got better at the end
if he'd stayed brain damaged then at least i'd understand him not doing anything about char's uprising in CCA, but as is he's a complete no-show when he really should be involved in the situation, if only just to yell at quattro for being a retard again
it's the same with sayla but at the very least there's a few excuses with her (her not piloting for ages, meta reasons to do with her VA), kamille's evidently too busy running around on beaches with fa to even bother dropping him a voice message
also elle's better than roux and she deserves better than beecha, awkwardly waving off all the chemistry she had with judau to put her with that dickhead was a shit move when they didn't adequately set roux up with judau at all

>>23413728
That's the problem I had myself until I looked into the production. So apparently cca is based off a novel and in those novels kamille never gets better but rather he commits suicide (?) before fa gets to him at the end of z. I feel like they should have really made some type of scene in why kamille never shows up in cca because even with new translation you wonder why the fuck he never did anything.
I love kamille deeply but never stating cca is not a continuation of the show but rather the novel series is a great misfortune on the understanding of the series of a whole. I haven't read the novels yet but I'm sure committing suicide had to hurt worse to char and led him off the deep end then in the show and in ZZ. I like kamille getting better though in ZZ and later being a doctor in one of the manga though.

It's incredibly frustrating and feels like nothing makes sense with what you know in the show. So is kind of like what was the fucking point of cca and/or ZZ if it doesn't matter? Cca doesn't make sense with zz and cca doesn't make sense with the ZZ narrative.

>>23414052
Kamille never wanted to be a soldier. He was never given a rank in zeta and he was obviously hurt deeply by the lives he took and friends he lost in the gryps war, even if he felt the aeug was the just faction. It makes sense that he'd have nothing to do with the fighting in CCA - he can't support char's insane plan, he felt amuro was a disappointment, and he was never a federation regular so he couldn't exactly ask to remain with bright and crew once the conflict was over. He matured from the kid who wanted to make the titan bullies feel the fear and powerlessness he felt when he stole the mk.2. If anything, having him in CCA would have been a mistake since 1. the story is really about the unresolved tension between char and amuro, but also 2. the unresolved tension between the philosophies they embody. Kamille never cared about getting people off of earth (whether slowly or quickly);nor did he come to believe that newtypes were the future, so why would he be fighting for either belief? He hardly even cared about the aeug's goals beyond titans bad and fighting to survive.

>>23407269 (OP)
Not because of Gquuux specifically, but I had only watched spin-offs like G Gundam and Wing until recently, going through the original material now, mostly enjoying it.
This series' message about war is really childish I feel and it's annoying only because of how often it comes up and how the viewer is supposed to take it seriously. No, war would not suddenly stop if people could communicate and "understand" each other better, history is filled with wars between people who knew and understood each other very well. "Know your enemy" is a common saying for a reason. I get that a lot of the conflict is around how this methodology doesn't lead to peace but the shows act like it's only because individuals get in the way of that being achieved as opposed to the entire idea being unrealistic

>>23414091
This honestly has nothing to do with what I said. I said they should have included a scene from the book to explain that this is different from the series in adaptation. deciding to make it an adaptation from the novel where he suicided is a lot different for character perspectives than whatever you're talking about.

>>23414116
This in the original series is the one thing that stood out to me compared to zeta. 0079 is a lot more childish than something like zeta which is more teenager / adult. They both deal with themes about war but they both come across it in a different way and targeted to a different age range in the way that they display characterizations

>>23414052
>>23414116
Kamille only dies in Zeta novels. They are their own thing. The film is not an adaptation, but an original work and is a direct sequel to 0079 and Zeta. ZZ is kind of like a part 2 of Zeta that ties up loose ends and shows us Feds going full mask off, setting up the bleak political landscape of UC for CCA to happen.

>>23414124
Yeah, and note High Streamer is not a continuation from the novels. Just like how Zeta doesn't follow from the novel MSG ending with dead Amuro. Amuro blames Char for driving Kamille crazy when he first faces him in High Streamer. Then Char gives his line about it just proving he was weak.

>>23412345
>At the point they have reached in X, there have been multiple newtypes, none of which have god like wisdom.
And yet one of the factions fighting had an entire cult built around the idea of Newtypes being spiritually evolved beings and even the other that doesn't have that still believed they were necessary to control the future's fate. Even an heroic character like Jamil had been led by a vision he saw during the war that newtypes would lead to some kind of heavenly world. You say that he should just have said that Newtypes aren't gods, within the universe "Newtype" had all those quasi-religious presumptions associated with it you'd have with calling them "gods", it's not a neutral scientific word.

>>23414091
thing is this is kamille we're talking about. he is TOO intrinsically linked to the point in time char actually seemed to be trying to improve for once, and arguably part of the reason char decided enough was enough
it's one thing for him to be a main fighter, but at the very least he has enough importance to the conflict that someone should talk to him in the actual movie and not just a mention of him in high streamer

>>23414052
speaking of new translation, i had a quick look at that version of the ending when i finished zeta and i have to say i'm a little irritated that scirocco's attempt to mindfuck kamille just kinda... stops? they have kamille panting after they separate which could've been a good opportunity to show he actually had to fight it off but instead scirocco gets confused at the random women line and dies without doing shit, so kamille's just tired out from the fight or something i guess
just seems like a wasted opportunity

>>23414252
I think I would've even been happy with a shocked face of kamille in a hospital, grave, or just something to acknowledge his existence at all considering he was a large factor of ZZ. new translation also doesn't help at all because the ending is drastically different compared to anything else. I'm just disappointed that they had a character be such a large part of 2 series to not acknowledge his existence ever again in cca or even a cameo in gqucks even.
I'm just disappointed they make such a great character to compliment char in zeta and do absolutely nothing with him. I would argue his large emotions counter char

>>23414280
I watched the movies in succession and i wouldn't even consider them the same series. they are basically an entire series on their own as a standalone. I would think of it like an AU myself. completely different experiences.

>>23414116
Non-Tomino shows usually veer from that a bit more, with mixed results. Not all of them, 00 doubles down on it and because it's aesthetically grittier and more "modern" it went down well with people I guess.

>>23414252
>>23414281
The bigger issue is that there was no char in ZZ

So i'm supposed to believe this whole movie is not a suicide plan to get rid of himself because the weight of his name?
this is the only conclusion i get after watching the whole series in succession

>>23413728
Kamille didn't need to do anything about Char during CCA, nor was he a factor to Char at that point. Writing in him or Judau would've wasted valuable screen time for nothing. Also fuck off, Captain Beecha did nothing wrong.

>>23415529
That's basically it, except it's more like the weight of his experiences combined with having a name that people needed

>>23415890
>Captain Beecha did nothing wrong
he literally sent judau off on a suicide mission with the ZZ, throwing out their best pilot AND their best MS out of spite is about as wrong as you can get

>>23415529
He just wanted to be with lalah again

>>23415981
They all remind me of her

>>23415981
If he wanted to be with Lalah so much he could just kill himself instead of this flashy, dramatic asteroid throwing

>>23416178
Char dropped Axis with good intentions on his way out.

>>23416179
The only good intentions was the suicide murder

>>23414281
dude gets wheelchaired around by his gf what else is there left for him

>>23416178
You only go to newtype heaven if you die in battle with another newtype, he had no choice but to bait amuro into the fight

>>23416176
They say this in zeta but it always makes me wonder - amuro deliberately tried not to kill lalah but she dove in front of char to take the beam saber instead. Four, while sharing the similarity of being on the "wrong side" but having the connection with kamille, at least dies saving him from jerid. really a more comparable death is Sarah's imo. The overall idea still fits I suppose, but at least kamille tried to do what amuro couldn't and save his psychic dream girl.

>>23416685
Did you not watch ZZ or even the retcon movies?

Just started ZZ
Do shinta and qum stop being so fucking annoying? i thought i would stop seeing them after Z and they are here again

>>23416897
You'll hate Mondo and Beecha more

>>23416897
i don't understand why they have to add kids in every series.

>Mmmmn...you know what I could really go for right now? Some delicious 14 year old little boy penis, boy howdy! Mmmmn hmmmmn, eating good tonight~
And that is my summary of Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ.

>>23416897
Why didn't you find them obnoxious last season when Fa's character got railroaded into a live-in caretaker

>>23417615
In case you forgot war orphans exist

just watched stardust memories, not a big fan of nina right now

>>23417632
My run of watching ZZ ended when she successfully infiltrated the Argama and NOBODY sensed her except the one character that decided its not important enough. I'm sorry but that was the end of ZZ for me because there is no universe in which she escapes out of there unharmed. Also i am going to say it...this bitch wishes she was as cunning as Katejina.

>>23417667
I hated them but i thought they wouldn't appear in ZZ

>>23418124
Why didn't you skip the Tigerbaum episodes

>Haman is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time
>ZZ sucks and I hate it
How can I continue to live with myself?

>>23418156
i did skip it..to the end of the last episode where Haman died which was too little to late. I am kind of expecting this to happen to Chronicle and Katejina, by which i mean them dying or having conclusions too little too late to feel fulfilling.

>>23418163
the life of a haman enjoyer is painful, you must simply adapt
and read OL haman

>>23418183
I don't know why you watch Gundam at all. Fulfilling storylines has never been something this franchise can accomplish well.

just finished up hathaway's movie and i feel so bad for bright noa. he's the character that has lived through all the various wars. He's seen amuro, char, kamille. he's now going to suffer eventually knowing that his good friends have all died at the hands of char just for his son to adapt char's ideals. his son will most likely die as well. bright never wins

I also like the chart from hchcsen over on nyaa for the timelines. it's been a bit helpful.

>>23418515
oh if you think it's bad enough for bright already, just you wait for the later bits

I stayed the origin series today can this be considered 'canon'? I really like how strong we see young kycilla so far.

>>23418601
You mean later in the novel or something else?

>>23418744
later in the novel

I've watched, dropped, rewatched, dropped, went for the trilogies with 0079 for the past ten years and right now I'm barely through Zeta
This series fucking sucks ass no wonder westerners get into it with AU settings or side story OVA's

>>23418744
>I stayed the origin series today can this be considered 'canon'? I really like how strong we see young kycilla so far.
Sorta not really. All of the animated works follow from the original 1979 TV series or the 1980s movie trilogy. That said, it's not such a huge difference that you'll be totally lost if you watch the later entries, you just need to know that it's a different version of roughly similar events.

>>23418780
Yeah man, at some point you should just stop if it's not enjoyable for you. There's no point in forcing it.

>>23418754
Bright can't catch a break. This poor man. I should really read the novels but i really liked the audiobook that came with the bds for the movie

>>23418990
well I finished 0079 through hathaway movie 1. I was more looking for something that talks about what started the fighting and zeon vs zabi war. This seemed to fit the bill? So it doesn't really lead up to the start of the show but more of a parallel world?

per the second point of >>23418780 I felt that way at first. If you tried a bit of every series and it's not for you i wouldn't keep trying. I tried the non UC gundam +other mech shows big O or things like franxx and just wrote off the genre. I still am not a big fan of 0079 itself because i didn't like the vibe of the show and the pacing but adored zeta, liked gquacks. In the end i liked various points of each series and respected what they were going for. in the end what kept me interested in each series was characters like bright, kamille, and even in the origin which im watching not is the dynamics of kycilla+her family plus hamon and her romance[?] dynamics with ral. Char is a given just because you get a lot on him and it's fun to think about his trauma. I preefer the characters over the mechs. If you can't find one thing to connect on then maybe gundam itself just isn't suitable and you'll just frustrate yourself by continuing to feign interest in it

>>23418744
It's not canon, but you still have to read the whole manga to understand why G-Cucks mischaracterizes Kycilia.

>>23419079
>I was more looking for something that talks about what started the fighting and zeon vs zabi war. This seemed to fit the bill? So it doesn't really lead up to the start of the show but more of a parallel world?
Well, in general Origin tries to be a more complete version of the 0079 story in that it shows you what was going on with Side 3 politics. Previously details like that were relegated to databooks and were never animated, except for game cutscenes from things like the Gihren's Greed series of strategy games. The Origin manga (which also retells the entire 0079 story) also has some minor story and moderate lore changes, and then there's all the little minor anachronisms like the mobile suits having somewhat different technical details and numbers, etc.

The entire Origin story (the animated movies and the full manga) is not so much a parallel UC, it's mainly just considered a different version of the same 0079 story. Despite all the differences, it still follows the same major story beats that were present in 0079, and outside of Origin having its own aesthetic style, nothing is so different that would prevent it from tying into the rest of the UC world, as far as I know. Sunrise apparently mostly doesn't care - it's not as though one version of the 0079 story was declared definitive and all others were obsolete or wrong or bad. For a while it seemed like the movies were the preferred version of 0079, but then again there's plenty of side material that references the G-Fighter (only existed in the 0079 TV series) so it's not like that thing was retconned out of existence just because the movies replaced it with the Core Booster. Now there's the Origin, and Sunrise seems content to promote that as well - but not as if the 0079 TV series and movies don't exist anymore either.

>>23418744
Not really, it's Yas' own spin on things. He was a character designer and lead animator on the original show but not the writer. Most stuff in it doesn't contradict anything though but there's a lot of overly convenient coincidences in the additional prologue stuff.

>>23419140
Thanks for elaborating anon. I bought a lot of those supplemental books recently to read through the nip and piece it together myself but if this effectively does the job without them then i'll just skim them than anything else. Should i consider it more of the same vein ofo the zeta movies? very much the same story but a different experience?

I really ended enjoying the whole ova series because while char here felt a little super power MC the entirety of the war starting through the school arc and seeing exactly where char started his plotting was incredibly interesting that i didn't even know 6 hours flying by. I loved the small tidbits we got of kycilla plotting against her own family to char recognizing the minute he can effectively use garma to accomplish his goals. The backstory for lalah was nice and in way I kinda hope that after she died char tried to find her family and send them money on her behalf. I think even as a standalone this is exactly the type of story i wanted from gundam but didn't get the chance to see in the story. I ended up buying all the nip bluerays just because i was so absorbed in the story.

Even the small bit of amuro's father was really good. I kind of wish they went more in depth in the series about his actual work but obviously it was on amuro rather than his father. Hearing about the DR and his ideals for what the mobile suits used to be and then how they transformed-plus audhd amuro forgoing sleep, hygiene, and eating because he's focused on building. I liked those bits in the original show and the small scenes we get in CCA.

I just thought this was fantastic. I don't think i can rave enough about it. i'm glad I watched it. I'll have to read more about it in the manga. I hope one day they make a drama about Anaheim/amuro's dad

Is that one anon still watching one ep per day or did they drop it?

not OP, but in a similarish situation. Watching my favorite character of GQx job to Amuro within 10 minutes of being introduced made me mad.

>>23420982
I will listen to your rant anon. I really expected more than a few minutes of his screentime but in the end I didn't mind at all since logically gcucks was made after to showcase him

Is it finally time?

>>23421179
IT IS

>>23420982
>>23421013
Challia Bull isn't even in the movies so if you only watch those you won't even know who the fuck he is.

I enjoyed the parts with the Duchy of Jion & Sha whenever he pilots his red Zak. Yes I grew up the infamous 90s translation of the novels. To this day my retarded ass still cringes at the use of Principality of Zeon, Char, & Zaku. It is likely nostalgia goggles being stuck on they were the first novels I ever read many years ago

>>23420404
Sorry I got distracted by superbat but I'm at 9 now>>23421179
Char best boy. I do not care for Amuro. Fra deserves better.

does victory pick up at some point? i'm at 23 now and it feels like uso's gonna be stuck in the I CAN'T KILL PEOPLE IF I SEE THEM AAAAAA arc forever

>>23421328
Yes but I ain't telling you when just because I feel like it but i will reveal you are close to to it

>>23421368
good to hear, thanks

>>23407354
Its a huge tonal shift from Zeta and most people go from Zeta to ZZ

>>23421328
He never stops doing that, if thats what you wanna know

Episode 10 down. Char best boy.

>>23420982
Gqx was a failure because just like Origin it tricked people into thinking Char was cool

>>23421433
i swear the mask looks alright until he takes the helmet off and it becomes the goofiest shit imaginable

>>23407269 (OP)
I watched 78, Z, ZZ and CCA last year. I really liked them all.
I also enjoyed GquuuuuuX a lot. Didn't understand the western hate.

>>23420982
Challia? He is more prominent in the novels.

man i thought the titans could be comedically evil at points, but zanscare outright trying to put an unwilling child soldier to the guillotine? and the common folk actually AGREEING with it?? when 90% of the soldiers uso's gone up against lambasted league militaire for using child soldiers in the first place?
and cronicle has the balls to say the legendary gundam should be on their side...

>>23421433
Nice to see you back anon. Also ... I see nothing wrong with that ship. in a way I'm glad of glad to see someone else dislike amuro. I feel like he wasn't likeable at all.

I'll catch up to 10

>>23421858
>>23421317
I can understand disliking amuro in a way but also I think he's having a not crazy reaction to the situation of "my life has been turned upside down, I have to literally fight to survive, and oh yeah if I fail my childhood friends, refugees, and everyone else on this shit will also probably die." it a lot of pressure

>>23422444
He has no likable qualities. He's kind of ass to everyone except women he wants to fuck (not Frau lol), throws a tantrum every other episode, and has truly unbelievable plot armor. Hayato, Kai, and the rest of the white base crew are much more likeable characters. Sleggar and Bright get a rough introduction but ended up being very likeable and it was real eye-rolling moment when Sleggar is killed off purely as a plot device to show Amuro's strength and prowess

>>23422483
>He has no likable qualities.
Your dislike is making you retarded

>>23422490
what do you like about Amuro?

Started on unicorn. this autisim feels familiar. this cannot anything but kamille

>>23422483
I honestly agree with all of this. I get the perspective they were going for because you see the same thing n kamille as well. yet it feels like they learnt what not to do with an mc after amuro. I respected him in z and then in cca as a character but in the og series he's just not very likeable.

>>23421510
> tricked
I don't think I was tricked in to thinking he was cool though. to be fair I never thought he was cool rather than wanted to see before he became the red comet and the politics behind it.

however, yas has to be bisexual because there was no fucking reason for char to be that hot in origin. the smiles in the design are too hot because the lip shape. why the fuck are his thighs even fatter than the og series
>young man at his prime
I'm just a faggot attracted to narcissistic men

Oh no! This teenage boy who lost everything and is forced to fight for his life complains too much!

You people would die reading Catcher in the Rye. Oh dear, Holden is too entitled and whiny!

It is unbelievable how you can tell who reads actual books and who doesn't anymore.

I am sorry, but anyone who uses the word likeable to describe a protagonist needs to be shot in the fucking head.

> amuro fanboy triggered we don't like his waifu

The word like is easily encompassing most of the traits that he displays. A protagonist should be compelling and interesting to read about. you want to know what is going to happen to them or how they succeed. We know that in the end the protagonist of any series is going to come out on top and what makes the series is how well it takes them to get there. part of that is the personality of your main character otherwise the terms Mary Sue or Gary stu wouldn't exist. In this case we all know amuro is going to win whether that's because you know that usually happens to a protagonist or because the series is just so old we all sort of know what happens. But if you can't connect with a main character yeah you're not going to 'like' them nor like their actions in any capacity.
For someone who can read books you've clearly never had any discussion on different perspectives or analysis from different points of view.

>>23422887
Explain the difference between Amuro Ray and Shinji Ikari. Explain how we got from super robot protagonists like Koji Kabuto to protagonists like Shinji Ikari in the first place.

>>23422887
>the series is just so old we all sort of know what happens
This is some of the most cursed zoomer shit I have read in a long ass time. I am going to go outside now.

amuro's such a plain MC compared to even just the later UC protags that i have to wonder how you can manage to hate him to such a degree
at least the guy watching an ep a day has an excuse considering he's still far away from his character development

Amuro does struggle in the beginning. Like my favorite thing about Amuro is at first he is being carried by how good the technology of the Gundam is, but by the end he has outclassed the Gundam and is a better pilot than the tech. I think it is brilliant character growth, but maybe I am retarded?

>>23422444
I understand, I just still don't care for him so far (ep 10.) I like a fair amount of the supporting cast.

>>23422900
Anon it's 40 years old...

>>23422944
that's why I say I can respect him as a character in the series but I don't have to like him. I get, narratively, what they were trying to do with him with but it didn't jive with me. I don't get why people are overreacting like >23422925 saying I hate him.

Just because you don't necessarily like or adore a character doesn't mean you actively hate on them. Honestly I would like a series about amuro's autism on building gundams set after zeta(?) but before cca. I think it would be really fun.

just finished off victory, god damn that last few episodes were pretty good and katejina's punishment was practically biblical
would put it over ZZ, not as good as zeta or 0079 in my opinion and that biker arc did it no favors

Just so I'm understanding this right. In origin the colony that crashes to earth is side 3? And they don't rebuild this colony correct? All the maps have all the colonies listed and the manga doesn't really say either

>full frontal

>quattro vajeena

>>23423693
It was a colony of side 5 I think, side 3 is zeon. Also the sides are made up of dozens of individual colonies.

>>23424044
Thanks anon. Side 4 is the gassed colony right?

>dozens of individual colonies
I thought it was just 6 massive colonies but this makes more sense i guess?

>>23422771
I read that book twenty years ago you dork. Amuro's problem isn't that he is whiny, or that he treats people badly, but that he never grows out of it. Everyone else in the show grows as a person, but Amuro only grows as a pilot. Maybe it's supposed to be a newtype thing.

>>23422900
In fairness, it becomes obvious by episode 2 or 3 that the dramatic
>WHO WILL SURVIVE?
during the next episode previous is always
>Amuro, duh
so much so that in the later episodes' previews outright show the villain jobbing before asking
>WHO WILL SURVIVE?

>>23424056
There are smaller ones too right? Which colony was the Texas colony?, and was it near Side 6 or Side 4?

>Side 4 is at L1
>Side 3 is at L2
>Side 7 is at L3
did they build them in a random order? how did this happen?

>>23419292
>Should i consider it more of the same vein ofo the zeta movies? very much the same story but a different experience?
Pretty much. That said, the Zeta movies cut out a lot of story compared to the series, and dramatically change the fate of a particular character as well as entirely changing what a certain faction decides to do at the end, but it's not as though the Zeta movies lead to any sort of alternative UC history. I would say the Zeta movies are "watch it for some occasionally nice animation", but the series is still the definitive version.

I'm glad you liked the Origin version. Personally I could do a lot less with certain aspects like the Char-wankery being elevated to absurd levels, but I grew up on the older stuff after all. The Origin movies are how I introduced some friends to UC, and it works well enough. I find it better than when I had someone watch the MSG movie trilogy and they kept asking me questions, and a big chunk of the time the answer began with "it's never mentioned in the story, but according to databooks.."

>>23424165
>>23424056
The colony dropped in the Operation British plan came from Side 2. Texas colony is at Side 5. There's ~9 billion people living in space before the One Year War started, each colony only holds a couple million people and is equivalent to a city in a bottle, basically. Think of each Side as a country, and a colony cylinder as a city of that country. Each Side also has a specific name (E.g., Side 3 is known as Munzo and also known as Principality of Zeon or Republic of Zeon) but those names barely get mentioned anywhere other than in the Origin, all other media prefers to call them "Side #" instead.

seriously how does anyone take char seriously when he thinks up weird porno names for himself? the only two normal names he has he stole or was given.

>>23424165
>Amuro only grows as a pilot
I think you put in to words exactly what i was thinking.

>>23424172
Ah I would consider the zeta movies more self contained stories/ alternate ending type of material because it changes kamille's and by that regard ZZ's experience completely different. I can't imagine going through the movies just to try and watch zz without going through the entire series again. in that regard I would see the origin as a self contained story despite relegating itself to a prequel? hopefully I have explained my views correctly. I do agre that the char wankery is teering on levels of almost gary stu type of writing but the positive is that the series doesn't rely on him for 100% of the scenes. I can see myself recommending it to others who want to start gundam as well because older data books can be hard to find. The other annoying part is that older databooks/handbooks tend repeat a lot images and blurbs and sometimes i wonder why they made them so redundant. I've been collecting zeta works since i watched it this year and almost all of them repeat the setting materials.

You're a giant wealth of information. thank you for the images because i've mostly been seeing the first one when i look up information. The second one clears up a lot of the confusion i had.

>>23424211
I think the issue with some Gundam databooks is that a bunch of them are actually kinda.. shallow? The kind of databooks that cover an entire show for example, will dedicate one page or worse, half a page to a character or a machine or something from the story, and after pasting a bunch of diagrams on it, you end up with just tiny text blurbs next to large pictures and it's usually basic-ass information. To be fair it's kind of expected since Gundam targets kids and teens so a basic "picture book" is more appealing to them than a book that's just nothing but text explaining the lore and tech and whatnot. What you might actually want to look for are certain book series and guides. E.g., the Master Archive and Master File series of databooks dedicate each book to a particular MS, and are written from an in-universe perspective so they go real in-depth on the lore, talking about difficulties in development, why certain parts of the machine are designed they way they are. Some other databooks like Gundam Century are also legendary for the explanations they gave that were reasonable and well thought through for the time, but are not necessarily completely canon or up to date nowadays.

>>23424224
Here's some fan-translated pages from Gundam Century, for example.

>>23424224
Anyway, to cap it off, I'll leave you with these links:

https://www.gundamunofficial.com/
The "World Building" and "Reference Translations" sections would probably be the most relevant to you, but everything on there is a good read.

https://www.dyarstraights.com/gundam-test/
Older site talking about how the space habitats in Gundam work, and how it relates to real life concepts.

the people in gundam seem to really just not give a shit about the colony drops honestly. like completely forgetting they even happened.

>>23424211
you gotta remember charwank was a thing all the way from the beginning, tomino's novel version of 0079 outright has amuro get killed by some random zeek rookie and start apologising to char from beyond the grave for 'not understanding his plan' while char ends up being the protagonist from then on
once i found out about that suddenly all the charwank that came afterwards didn't seem all that crazy

>>23424725
Yeah I heard about that. Honestly though I can slightly forgive charwank because he's hot at least. Hentai artist drew Char's nichijou and it shows.
Beyond that it's really obvious he's the creator's adoration and even shows in merch sales (amuro is the last to sell out). It can be reduced by a lot but yet that's what I feel zeta was. As quattro he's disrespected and so far in to unicorn he's also disrespected.
The two series with the least wank he ends up having the wankiest names too.

Running on two hours of sleep so I'm not as eloquent as usual. Apologies if I seem ESL.

just finished msg79 and holy shit there was so much stuff in gquuuuuux that makes sense now, and I really hope we get more gquuuuuux. What mecha to watch next?
>stay on the UC timeline with, uh, what comes next? Gundam Zeta?
>witch from mercury
>iron blooded orphans
>evangelion movies
>something else?

>>23425538
i'd say go for zeta next, it's regarded as some of the best UC stuff for a reason

>>23425538
Personally for me I went gcucks, zeta, skipped around in ZZ (or watch the whole thing) then I went to CCA, zeta movies, then origin. Now I'm on unicorn. If just animation based

I actually watched zeta then 0079 so my timeline is a little off for most people but I wouldn't change it because I liked the betrayal feeling I got from char afterwards

>>23422944
It's cool as fuck, they do it with Zechs and the Tallgeese too and it's as cool then as well. The Gundam's specs keep Amuro alive against early Char and Ramba Ral and the Tri-Stars, but halfway into the show the Gundam is what is keeping Amuro from steamrolling Zeon solo. Zeon's MAs and the Gelgoog are way higher spec-wise than the Gundam. And then you see how Amuro fights MAs, early into the show they were life or death fights, late into the show MAs are mild inconveniences to Amuro who swats them away like a pest.
And when Amuro and Char have a "fair" fight in CCA, Amuro is so much more dangerous as a pilot he runs rings around Char.

>>23423020
>Shakti says that she can preach peace to Zanscare
>they impliment the Earth Cleansing Plan and build the mobile armor Berkenau (Berkenau was the largest nazi concentration camp)

>>23422887
I mean, Amuro isn't particularly likeable as a person, we can agree on that. He already has poor social skills and an attitude problem before Zeon attacks, and is forced into a high-tension situation and forced to socialize. His responses to the war make perfect sense though, and Amuro does mellow out eventually and come put of his shell, but yeah, Tomino himself said that Amuro was designed as a a shut-in with issues talking to people, especially women.

>>23425538
Gcucks has some Zeta as well you will appreciate. Don't forget to watch Stardust Memories, 08th MS Team and War in the Pocket afterwards.

I think Amuro's character got stuck with Char too much ever since Zeta. It hinders his development when it's all about Char Char Lalah Char. Even in Beltorchika's children, the supposed better version of CCA, Amuro can't help but bring Char into his (last) conversation with Bel, shut the fuck up about Char already! Is there any Amurofag or at least cares about his character enough beyond Char and pilotwanking? I kinda want to see someone make their own gcucks version where Amuro is the only alive one of Amuro-Lalah-Char triangle

>>23425981
>Amuro's character got stuck with Char too much ever since Zeta.
No, it's the opposite. He was able to move on with the help of Bel, while Char couldn't form a connection with Reccoa and later regressed further due to Haman. This is plays out again in CCA, Amuro is happy with Chan, doesn't care too much about his bullshit rivalry and leaves Nu vulnerable in order to plant bombs on Axis, Char is just using Quess and Nanai and still not over Lalah.
I prefer CCA Amuro over BC Amuro.

>>23426010
I mean the writing

>>23417116
Truer words have never been spoken

>>23426010
the issue i have with CCA amuro is more down to him not being with beltorchika anymore, they just kinda broke up at some point which i'd buy if the woman didn't seem fucking obsessed with him in zeta
outside of that he's fine with chan, it's just that particular little hiccup that makes it feel weird

>>23426209
I interpret that Beltorchika had a burnout. All the time she spent to care for him and all she received was "so-so" reciprocation from Amuro, so she got fed up and dumped him. I don't believe Amuro dumped her, since he usually has a passive attitude around women.

>>23424225
>1/3 of a hollow colony, 60 Gt
>impact crater, 500 Km
>Dino killer, 126 Tt
>impact crater, 105 Km
...wut?

I started watching Gundam during the pandemic because I had fond memories of watching what bits of wing and G I could catch on American television. I recently finished watching turn A and V and have decided to save my viewing of G Reco for last as I've heard it's complicated by Gundam standards.

I've started watching Tomino's shows and I'm having trouble getting into Brain Powered. I like how the story starts in sort of the middle of the conflict but am having trouble staying interested. I just really wanted to see how Tomino writes aliens and the premise sounded super neat. Is this series worth keeping up with it or should I circle back and watch it after watching another of Tomino's series like Ideon?

So if amuro dies lalah's consciousness will disappear? Kamille became mindbroken.. how does this newtype consciousness combining thing work

>>23424224
Thanks for all the added information anon.
I've been thinking of getting the encyclopedia. The problem I find is that there are mostly two types of people wanting content. The people interested in mecha and those interested in the characters + world building. I fond myself wanting to know more about the world around the characters rather than just why is x character doing X. The mecha isn't something i have too much of an interest in. Do you think these books are suitable for someone who doesn't have too much of an interest in the technology?

>>23431737
Which encyclopedia books?

https://e-hentai.org/?f_cats=767&f_search=gundam+encyclopedia

E.g., if I look for "Gundam encyclopedia" the vast majority of databooks talk about the MS, so I can't say there are too many that focus on the world or story. There are a few that might be more interesting for you like "Gundam Officials U.C. 0079~0083".

https://e-hentai.org/g/1903428/d4e612ddf1/

>>23431760
I was thinking of getting that exact one actually. I prefer print to scans so I can make notes as a read (especially in Japanese). Beyond the uc wisdom one is there any other ones you might recommend?

>>23433860
It already sounded like you were buying print books, nothing wrong with that. The website link is more for you to be able to preview it to see if it does indeed contain the information you're looking for, so you don't end up buying the wrong book.

Aside from that one book mentioned earlier, you might be interested in Gundam Century. It's the same book that the three scans posted above came from. It originally came out in 1980, but there's a new reprint from only a couple of years ago called the Renewal Edition.

https://e-hentai.org/g/1176782/de454f6d2c/

There's also the Entertainment Bible series of books. In particular Entertainment Bible 01 and 39 have formed a decent timeline of major events of the OYW as well as some before and after. You can read some translated excerpts here:

https://www.gundamunofficial.com/archive/entertainmentbible01.html
https://www.gundamunofficial.com/archive/entertainmentbible39.html
https://e-hentai.org/?f_cats=767&f_search=entertainment+bible

And here's a less conventional idea for other databooks you might be interested in. The link below goes to a forum posting of specific topics. Not all of them might interest you, but for the few that do, a bunch of the posts will cite specific databooks for their sources and conjectures, which might lead you to other interesting books.

https://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=16078

E.g., there's a discussion post on specific dates given for the growth of the Principality of Zeon. They mention a particular databook called "Roman Album Extra 42" which you may want to look at for further details, as well as the fact that Gundam lore can have contradictions and retcons that don't line up, like ages and birthdays for characters being calculated wrong, which can explain issues such as if you're looking up data on characters but the numbers aren't making sense.

https://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15695

>>23428598
The only confusing thing about G Reco is that the Capital Guard and Capital Army end up being two opposing groups and they still all wear the same uniforms
The rest of the show is just space retards vs earth retards like usual

Why do people dislike UC so much?

I thought this story nicely paralleled everything that we have learnt so far about the UC universe?
Bagher reminds me a lot of kamille in regards to actually having feelings. weirdly enough i had to look up the seiyu to make sure it wasn't played by the same person as it very much felt like a kamille vs char story rather than an amuro vs char. Banagher himself isn't an exact clone despite my saying that. I felt he still had enough of his own own ideals and personality due to his openness with the relationships behind him. I felt he had more of a conflict with people he disagreed with to actually oppose them rather than just get used.

The reality of suicide pilots was also a nice touch.

Minevera Zab as she's one of the last remaining zabi that isn't necessarily bogged down by her family much the same way kycilia was.

>Amuro's picture in bright's office.
I felt really melancholic seeing that along with his recognition papers. I'm sure bright was devastated to see one of the last of his friends go one after another throughout the years.

Riddhe was an asshole but he was also just doing his own mission

I think this is one of the few series I was super fascinated with the mecha. Something about design and the fights with even just the basic zaku were really fun to watch. Unicorn is still my favorite. The music during the battle scenes and in general were top notch.

I have to mull over a lot of the plot points but i definitely enjoyed this edition in the series

>>23433909
Once again thank you for all the links and information. you've been a great help to me in the thread. I ended up going forward with the purchase of the roman extra. and am currently trying a find a couple of the ones you linked for a decent price.

>Entertainment Bible
these are definitely something that I want to purchase as well.

>Gundam lore can have contradictions and retcons that don't line up, like ages and birthdays for characters being calculated wrong, which can explain issues such as if you're looking up data on characters but the numbers aren't making sense.

I cam across this even with something as simple as kamille's birthday but i see it also happened with the maps and char's early as well. I need make time to really go through a lot of the information this weekend. I think comparing a lot of the differences with later editions would help greatly.

also why the fuck does bright have such a huge ass

>>23407269 (OP)
I'm watching the first show right now. Finished about 30 episodes.
There is one thing which bothers me. Why is music so upbeat and optimistic?
>important character dies
>it's still the same music as when the battle began
Is that to show how cheap are lives during war? Or just some limitations at those times?

>>23437668
aside from Matilda's death, I don't remember music being unfitting for the scene.
At the end of the day, 0079 is still carrying various conventions of the 70s mecha.

>>23437783
dramatic scenes*

>>23407269 (OP)
In the middle of Zeta right now, its pretty fun. I like how unlike Frau who was always pretty mature and levelheaded, Fa is just as bratty and dumb as Kamille, they match each other better. I dont know if there was that much value to all the early episodes focused on 0078 characters. I've been watching the dub so I'm kind of dreading getting to ZZ

>>23407573
watching the mobile suits evolve and develop while the two sides learn from each other is one of the most fun parts of the show. The speed at which it develops really ramps up in Zeta

Seems like a good thread for this question, thoughts on watching the OVA's and 8th MS Team before Char's Counterattack? Normally I am releaase order all the way but since they are side stories and as I understand it CCA is the end point for a big part of the UC storylines Im wondering about saving it for last.

>>23438537
CCA is an endpoint to MSG-Zeta-ZZ, so whether you watch the OVAs before or after CCA has no real difference as they don't have much in common and will not reference each other. I suppose the boring correct answer is release order, but if you're watching them back-to-back you can maybe sorta see how Sunrise starts to branch out and expand UC beyond the basic Amuro-Char-Bright characters.

>>23437783
Sometimes people mention Ai Senshi as being an odd match with the scene where it plays. I didn't like or hate it much, but it took time to grow on me over the years.

>>23437633
Good luck finding the books you want to collect. If you happen to come across something that doesn't seem to have been scanned, maybe consider safely scanning the pages or snapping some photos so others can view it. That said, I would never ask you to ruin a book, my understanding is that to not have scans distorted by the page bending near the binding means you would need to rip apart the book to flatten the pages for scanning.

>>23438537
I think watching unicorn after CCA is a good plan because it references a few things from calca you wouldn't really understand otherwise.

Origin OVAs are good any time after 0079 I think.

>>23438846
I've been considering it since I have a few that don't seem to be even listed in the museum spread sheet but it's a little hard to read for me. I would never rip a book apart myself but I've been thinking about the few of the ones I have from the 80s without a reprint.

>>23407269 (OP)
im envious, I wish i could unlearn all i know about gundam through the years and watch it all again for the first time

>>23439706
It's certainly been an experience watching this for the first time. I can see why this has been popular for years as well. I get the criticisms that out gets but the storylines are severely more interesting than most classic novel series. The way I see the series is neither side is wrong or right in it's ideals.

I'm really glad I have gqucks a chance I've really found a gem regardless of how popular it was and is, it's new to me and I adore it.Unicorn even got me interesting in Mecha. I want to try making the led gunpla

>>23428872
>So if amuro dies lalah's consciousness will disappear?
No, it's just that they were able to communicate at a deeper level because of their newtype powers, these relationships (platonic or otherwise) are extremely intense.
Kamille became mindbroken
Sirocco did a mental attack on Kamille. Some newtypes are very in tune with their powers and can do powerful things. Later on you will see characters that can do other newtype stuff like projecting their anger or seeing the future and other stuff.

>watching Gundam X for the first time
>"What if Amuro had a GP02 and a psychommu that let him remotely control twelve more GP02s remotely"
No wonder Zeon was terrified, 13 GP02s with Amuro skill is god damn terrifying.

>>23439706
Sayla fucked THIS!?

>>23439711
Jokes aside I really like how the whole quattro/char thing is handled. Like its obvious to the viewer its char, so the questions not is this char, the question is who *knows* that its char. Like Amuro and Bright can clearly tell from the get go, only younger people who havent met char like kamille are really fooled, but Char is clearly aware of that too. I think its a really interesting dynamic

What do people think about them? Imo they were pretty cool.

watching wing now, and holy shit it feels like everyone REALLY wants to kill their OWN troops for some reason
every damn episode someone's going "haha i'm going to kill you now important character i am on the same side as for *insert minor thing here* OH NO" and then they immediately fucking die in for being the dumbest motherfuckers alive
like no, random 2 retards, you are NOT going to get away with killing the lightning count just because you want to dick noin - and that's not even accounting for just how stupid it is to even think you can manage it

>>23440409
They were so cool that couples like them show up in other shows, like Naze and Amida in IBO or Waltfeld and Aisha in SEED.

>>23440397
There's also the aspect of how much Char is doing this to lie to himself rather than to others.

>>23440892
For sure, a fair bit of hiding from himself by being Quattro.

>>23440409
Very based. A simple concept of "there are good, loving people even on the more morally wrong side of the war" but its executed very well. The introduction scene of them in the bar with Amuro is great.

>>23407269 (OP)
Based Kamille appreciator. I finished Zeta yesterday and started ZZ. Might get into Stardust Memory though

>>23440409
>>23441065
Based

>>23439711
KEK

Who was the best girl in Zeta?

>>23441308
emma, no contest

>>23441308
Emma is BUILT for marriage to me.

>>23441347
Okay, Henken.

>>23441347
I don't think I'd want a wife who likes punching children that much

>>23441308
Fa a cute, but Four has the best design by far

>>23407269 (OP)
I've just started the series yesterday. Pretty good so far. On episode 3 of mobile suit

>>23441359
This image makes me want more Chris Chan/Zeta. Is Sonichu the gundam? Or maybe Amuro or Quattro? Is Megan Schroeder Fa or Four?

>>23441472
Guncannon or Guntank? Be warned, your choice speaks volumes about you as a person.

>>23440892
sometimes it seems like he really believes in just being a pilot as quattro and the ability of future generations to improve on the mistakes of the past. other times you see the mask come off, especially towards the end of zeta when he basically condones cyber-newtype experimentation as a justified means of stopping earth from being polluted and destroyed.

>>23440409
Ramba and Hamon deserved better.

>>23441335
>>23441308
>>23441365
emma is definitely the most sane woman in the zeta and a total babe. but she doesn't hold a candle chara soon or roux louka

Spoilers for OP, but I've been marathoning Zeta and only have a few eps left, why do kamille and katz have such a huge hateboner for haman all of the sudden? I get shes the enemy now, but the people who just killed their friends were all Titans, why are they so angry at Haman who was basically on their side in that last conflict that got them killed?

>>23426573
If was full of souls that weighed it down

>>23441804
Another anon who is watching 0079 currently.
I would go with Guntank becuase it's more unique and there are cooler mechs than Guncannon. But Kai > Hayato

>>23407269 (OP)
I'm watching Dunbine because of GQuuuuuux because Shuji goes Hyper. Can I post here too? Too bad I am anyways.

I love the whole set up and world. Mixing fantasy and scifi will always be the coolest shit. The best episodes so far are when they went to upper earth but I didn't get much past that.

Anyways my point is you should check out non Gundam Tomino if you haven't already too. I cant wait to see shit go Hyper.

>>23428598
>Is this series worth keeping up with it or should I circle back and watch it after watching another of Tomino's series like Ideon?

Yes definitively. Brain Powerd goes places. But if you're board maybe go back to it after searching more Tomino. I read Tomino got to do stuff he always wanted to do with Dunbine but couldnt with Brain Powerd so maybe try that? It also lead to Turn A Gundam so those shows work really well together.

Alsonmaybe taking a break will confuse you more when you come back though. I fucking loved it anyways.

>continuing Gundam X
>fighting against a newtype in a psychommu suit with psychommu weapons is treated like a death sentence
>it's literally a MILD INCONVENIENCE for a significantly de-powered Amuro suffering from physical, mental and emotional trauma
No wonder the SRA/not-Zeon dropped 200 colonies, this Amuro would have steamrolled Char and Sirocco and Haman.

>>23442174
I'll start x just because of this post

>>23442174
Jamil is an ultra giga-chad though.
And Garrod powers through on sheer balsiness alone. We're talking Oldtype-learns-to-eyetrack-funnels-and-shoot-them-down levels of balsiness.

>>23442082
>there are cooler mechs than Guncannon
INCORRECT

Is that me or Sayla lacked personality between first 15 episodes and meeting Char again?

Rude

une managed to swing around from one of the more annoying characters in wing to one of my favorites, honestly kind of impressive

>>23442560
Its pretty normal for characters to take a backseat in large swaths of episodes of the early series and just do and say nothing interesting until its their turn to be the focus again. Hell char disappears for long periods early on too

>>23442439
Yeah, fighting Carris has really added to Garrod's skill, soon Olba and Shagia will be in trouble. And the X Divider is the best, it's a bunch of big, powerful shit tied together and kept standing by big thrusters like the Alteisen from SRW.

i tried out f-91 and while i really like the start where you see just how destructive suits can be i absolutely detested how much more children there was in this compared to the original gundam series. I didn't mind the children in zeta, but there was a bit too much shenanigans in 0079 though. I can see why they never went anywhere with these characters and why it was scrapped to a movie. It had cute boys and girls at least. pretty piece of cel animation but kinda eh story. I felt like it wouldn't have given anything new to the series

>>23444044
The villains are too comically evil which hampers the story, you need some Ramba Rals and some Waltfeldts, you can't have everyone be evil. Victory is a full series and has the same problem, Zanscare is too evil and it's only good people kill themselves. Same with AGE where over 90% of Vagan shown were monsters.

>>23444044
i don't think it's a coincidence that only seabook and cecily seem to actually show up in anything outside of it
somewhat unfortunate about dorothy though, her design was pretty good

>>23444543
Yeah all of the adults were really good designs. It was just wasted on nonsensical bs. The main lead is suddenly a daughter and she's just okay with it? The sad just felt like a mini Hitler. Then you have the whole family just being idiots. The character archetypes are good. The setting was fantastic. Somehow I wish they kind of kept it as a neutral party who's witnessing the destruction of their home. Obviously good and evil is always going to be a concept but I felt they could have done a lot better than basically rehash 0079 and zeta together into one movie plot wise.
Nobody ended up being compelling other than me thinking at various scenes: "this is beautifully animated' 'this character looks hot'. I didn't really enjoy anyone fully not for I get invested into the plot.

It really is a shame because the movie is beautiful as an animation piece. But it doesn't even have any rewatch value for me.

>>23444684
Seabook doesn't even meet the main villains which is funny. He faces off against eyepatch man and cuck vader once each in battle, never actually talking to them.

>>23442103
>Yes definitively. Brain Powerd goes places
Yeah, Jonathan sure went places like MC-kun's sister and mother.

SHE TOOK THE KIDS, DAD
SHE ATE THE BAGUETTE AND TOOK THE FUCKING KIDS
SOCIETY HAS FALLEN
BILLIONS MUST BE BUGGED
THE FEDERATION MUST PAY FOR THIS
HE'S BAKING BUNS IN HER OVEN
HE'S KNEADING HER DOUGH
I NEED TO PUT ON THE MASK, I CAN'T LOOK AT MY OWN FACE

>>23445157
Posts like these honestly make me look forward to checking out F91 eventually. If nothing else, Iron Mask looks cool and seems amusing.

>>23445164
He's genuinely great, because he's somehow both a terrifying one man army that strikes fear in his enemies, and a cuck disliked by everyone including his own family, officers under him and more, at the same time.

>>23445164
Unironically this is not even a shit post. Just enjoy the ride but I wouldn't expect it to be more than a 3/10

>>23445164
He's the best part of the movie, everyone else is sort of boring or wishy washy, meanwhile he has a TON of personality and is the star of the show whenever he's on screen.

Carozzo is the only man to have a baker steal a woman from him twice

>>23441804
>>23442082
having recently watched all of MSG, I liked the guncannon kai and hayato were both great characters. I liked all the characters except amuro and a few of the zeon villains-of-the-week that acted really stupidly

>>23442560
the show had a lot of filler

I just watched Gundam Wing for the first time and I'm confused on something. Treize talks about his poor soldiers who died in battle, but he isn't the instigator of the current war? Isn't he currently the one sending Oz soldiers to murder the fuck out of colonists and civilians? He tricks Heero into killing a bunch of pacifists and Heero is so shaken he tries to commit suicide over it. Evrryone acts as if he's so honorable but he seems like a monster to me.

>F91 mentioned
>everyone immediately goes "she took the fucking kids"
I love you guys.

>>23440789
Wing is really funny because it's not Federation vs Titans, every Earth faction is a different taste of Titans and their ideological conflict is "who do we oppress the hardest and how do we oppress them the best". Wing is probably the timeline where Earth deserves to be Operation British"d. The Federation/Oz/Rommefeller conflict isn't war vs peace, it's "have AI kill colonists" vs "have proud earth soldiers kill colonists". Anyone that asked "why are you killing colonists" was killed.

>>23418183
chronicle at katejina are both nonsense anti-characters that bring the show down significantly via their complete lack of logical motivation. katejina becomes psychopathically invested in the downfall of the earth gang for absolutely zero reason

>>23446500
Chronicle and Katejina are baffling. Chronicle is such a little bitch his own sister calls him weak-willed and pathetic.
Katejina in the equivalent of a rich girl complaining on twitter that "society has failed us, I should be the one running it" without even having even done a hard day's work in a basic job let alone running a country, and her idea of running it is "kill anyone that says no to me"
Not having a villain with some subatance and writing really killed that part of the story.
At least Chronicle has a funny death, Uso lets him eject, only for him to wang his head on debris and die.

>>23445810
He's honorable in his mind, but he's just a piece of shit aristocrat who thinks his big ideas are the first and best big ideas that have ever been. At least he eventually has the decency to die in battle

Watch Gundam X. /m/ just loves being contrarian.

>>23445013
Delete this

>>23446500
>>23446544
katejina's fine from the perspective of a spoiled rich girl that ended up jammed in the middle of a conflict
>previously had uso affirming her and making her feel special
>then when shit starts hitting the fan it becomes clear she isn't his one and only priority (because shahkti and his other friends are), which irks her
>so she runs off with the first potential simp who comes crashing into her (cronicle) and makes sure to ingratiate herself upon him until he becomes dependent on her and becomes her replacement uso, while also corrupting him and driving the potential for good in him all the way down into the depths
>tries to act like she's gonna be a spy for a bit, but the prospect quickly becomes boring before she even gets into space
>zanscare makes her feel powerful and they say shit she agrees with, so they must be the good guys
>uso didn't drop everything to come and serve her, and even dares to DEFY her, so now he's the enemy
add on the fact she starts off the story making it clear from the very beginning that she's some manner of sociopath by saying the people of her own hometown deserved what they got, and she's perfectly understandable as a character
she's a woman obsessed with having power over others, and so her final fate of being blinded is the greatest irony, as she is now powerless and forced to rely on others
i like her

>>23441804
uh i don't even know what this means

>>23446589
I just finished X and loved it but the three female crew members were the worst.
>Sara "Stop cucking me Tiffa, I'll slap you"
>Toniya "Men are such pigs and brutes, not like my friend Ennil who helped the SRA enslave a boy and murders people to rob them"
>Ennil "Wow I hang out with bandits, facists and nazis and they all are scum, but when I hang out with normal people and act like a bandit, they hate me? Society is at fault here"
I like how Ennil's character development is "STOP being a bandit that hangs out with other bandits, Zeon and Titans you dumb bitch"

>>23446738
the fact that she defected makes perfect sense, the way she became this deranged harlot does not

Can't stop thinking about the ending of unicorn and frontal.
Shit hit me so hard

>>23446971
Zanscare also cyber newtyped her up, so getting hit in the head until she can see time probably didn't help

Finished 0079.
What the fuck is Char’s problem? Why did he kill 2 Zafina family members who treated him the best? Damn, I even needed to google timeline just to check if they could participate in the elimination of his father. Of course they didn’t. Nice revenge, retard.

>>23447694
Sins of the father get passed down to the children.

>>23447694
Have you read Hamlet? Serious question.

>>23447785
Yeah. I just expected Char to be better because of how overhyped he is.

>>23447799
You only know a third of his overall character arc at the moment.

>>23447694
like he said to garma: blame this on the misfortune of your birth
they bore the last name of zabi, and for that crime they were condemned to death
he's not meant to be a good person

>>23447799
I found a lot of what I initially felt in life eventually looped back to me at some point. If you don't like how retarded Char is in MSG, well... his death is even a bigger meme, but I assume you already were exposed about Char's death
>>23447809
To this day I still think Char is overhyped, even after I watched Zeta and CCA. I get the charm of his character, just not impressed

>>23447694
One of them killed his father and usurped the throne, likely Degwin or Gihren but it's purposely kept ambiguous.

>>23447887
>>23447694
if it's any consolation, it's canon that char smells like a homeless man

Started to watch Zeta. The art is much better especially mecha. But it's not surprising considering there is 5 years gap between shows.

>>23448212
I just assumed the father had a heart attack unprompted which led to a bunch of people trying to claim credit for the death.
I didn't think anyone actually killed him at all

>>23449134
What would he have whispered into Char's ear when he was dying if that was a natural death?

>>23449818
just because you think your enemy did it doesn't mean they actually did

>>23449984
What would be the narrative significance to the death not being the result of the Zabi family? We already know the Zabis are evil assholes, so Char is mostly in the right for killing them. Addign that nuance to his father's death achieves nothing.

I just STAND UP TO THE VICTORY'd, that was a neat show. I fucking love the V2, it's a one machine army once it gets it's upgrades and it doesn't even have a psychommu or else it would have been unstoppable, and Haro firing the head-mounted vulcans at Katejina was hilarious.
The Empire was too comically evil though, same problem I had with F91. Outside of the Zabis, Zeon always was a little tragic and had some good in it, but the F91 and Victory empires were too comically evil.
I do like how Uso was in a similar situation to Amuro. Other Gundam protags are fighting for their lives, while Amuro and Uso are "oh no, more villains go in the Amuro/Uso meat grinder, how much PTSD can they handle as they grind the enemy and their one-off super weapon suits into a fine red paste"

>>23438529
Funny, I'm in the middle of Zeta right now, too, and it surprised me how much I liked Fa, in contrast to all the bad things I'd heard. In fact, in my opinion all the best Zeta Gundam characters so far are the brash, bratty, or just stupid ones.


Besides Katz. Fuck Katz.

>>23450674
>Outside of the Zabis, Zeon always was a little tragic and had some good in it
Pretty sure F91 and Victory also had their own equivalents to the Ramba Ral archetype of a moderately decent guy on the enemy side. F91 was short so we only get Zabine and in Victory there was Gira and Godwald.

>>23450712
Fa can't be that bad, she doesn't actually do anything irredeemably horrible like other characters did to get hated on. Basically she's just a teenage girl in a shitty situation but steps up to the challenges and comes out unscathed without resorting to some bullshit like defecting or aiding the enemy, what's there to hate?

>>23450712
Fa is really funny because she's a very normal girl stuck with Kamille "Call me a girl and I'll hijack a robot and attack you" Bidan, Char "I've never betrayed anyone in my life" Aznable, Reccoa "Women are tools of men" Londe. Fa and Emma are extremely normal people surrounded by crazy people.

>>23450714
Yeah, Gila and Gottwald were cool, and amusingly enough, both An Hero'd themselves.

>>23411035
Going from what I remember from binging MSG over a year ago, but didn't Kai figure out before the series started that the Federation was working on some military shit on their Side which was supposed to be neutral in the conflict, therefore drawing Zeon to them and putting them in the line of fire?

If I knew that, I'd be really frustrated that now not only am I working for the military whose nonsense got a lot of innocent people killed in crossfire, and then being shanghaied onto their new ship and having to pilot a mobile suit in the war for them. I think it's notable that Kai only really changes when he finds motivation to actively participate in the war when he loses someone he cares about to it, resolving not to lose anyone else.

>>23451026
NTA but are you talking about The Origin where Kai goads Amuro and friends into driving a stolen bulldozer toward the colony's restricted construction area and they get shot at by Fed troops guarding the entrance? I found that part kind of weird, he was absolutely right that something secret was going on, but why does he want to know so badly? I guess they're mildly hinting at Kai's future career in Zeta where he became a badass investigative reporter? Otherwise all I know is that Kai is presented as even more of an asshole in that version and harasses Amuro a lot, while I remember him being more amicable with Amuro in the original 0079, but it's been years since I've seen either.

>the Federation was working on some military shit on their Side which was supposed to be neutral in the conflict
Side 7 isn't neutral, it's Federation territory but considered to be "far" from the front lines. That said, 0080 is a perfect example of what you're talking about since Side 6 is supposed to be neutral but they started cozying up to the Feds near the end of the war and hosting another Gundam project there.

>I think it's notable that Kai only really changes when he finds motivation to actively participate in the war when he loses someone he cares about to it, resolving not to lose anyone else
It's a nice touch, but IIRC Kai's characterization in 0079 is a bit different from the Origin. Sayla calls Kai a coward early on but it's more like he's somewhat selfish and puts himself first by default. Even though he complains about orders, he does go out and fight. That's why I think it really hit home for Kai when he lost Miharu, it was the first person he cared so much about and he didn't think about her safety at all until the battle was over, resulting in the worst possible outcome. I haven't fully read the Origin, I've only watched the OVA, so I don't know if that story arc turns out the same way.

>>23450674
I can't even call Dozle or Garma that evil. Even Kycilia had good qualities in her.

>>23451054
Didn't Dozzy literally carry out Operation British?

>Decided to educate myself and finally dip my toe into the Gundam universe
>Do a bit of research and watch a few YouTube videos explaining the timeline and stuff
>Decided to start with Unicorn because "it's overall well received"
> Binge-watched the whole 7 episodes in two days
>Lowkey do not like it that much because of all the talk-no-jitsu moments, and how the protagonist is one of those faggots whos only personality is yelling "no you can't do that it's wrong" despite being unable to offer a better solution
>The only thing that motivates me to keep watching is Char, but deep down I know he's never going to achieve anything because he's on the antagonist list

Did I pick the wrong gundam to start off, or is the entire gundam franchise just going to be like that

>>23451068
Idk because I only watched 0079 but he felt like a decent man who was unlucky to be bornt as Zabi.

>>23451080
>Did I pick the wrong gundam to start off
Why did you even start with sequel?

>>23450674
yeah i think the big problem with zanscare is that even the common populace seems fucked up, they'll actively cheer for a kid to get his head cut off after totally-not-evil-guy marched him out
you'll get the occasional random soldier who thinks it's super fucked up the militaire are throwing a child at them, but past that the only vaguely good people are maria (a puppet who no one listens to) and cronicle (gets pussy-whipped by katejina hard enough he stops even trying to change)

>>23451220
The average citizen does nazi salutes and says "heil Zanscare" and they have a mobile armor named after Auschwitz which is really funny, they out-Zeon'd Zeon.

>>23451080
>Did I pick the wrong gundam to start off
the rest of your post tells me you're so irredeemably stupid that this question is not worth answering

>>23451080
Unicorn ending not plot won't hit you unless you've seen anything relating to 0079

>>23438529
>Dub

I can't say based on this watching because a lot of her lines with the jo VA is where the hate comes from.

Her VA is the typical classic very high pitched and squeaky Japanese voice. To Mia just felt like she had no other added input than to be a third wheel for camille. In the eventual movies she ended up being more likable I feel. She's not going to be one of my favorite characters ever but she does have a use in being comical along with the children. My perspective is you can take her out of the series with no drastic effects.

>>23407269 (OP)
i started my trek in june. been a hell of a ride. watched 79, Z ,ZZ, cca, 08th, origin, unicorn, narrtive, hathaway. I need to get back into it with victory. i watch here and there but i need to sit down and watch it like i did the others. UC is rlly the only timeline i truly enjoy

>>23410140
Hey anon I just passed episode 30 of MSG. I noticed how after Matilda dies Amuro began to work together with Sayla especially since she's the pilot for G-Armor. I wonder if their novel relationship begins during this point as well.

It's great that Amuro is finally paired with Sayla because watching the sequels and other materials where they treat Sayla as one of Amuro's love interest but during the series they barely interacted until they start working together directly.

Also since it's episode 30, I just love Kikka. Yes, they're kids and annoying but Kikka's just adorable. Though maybe because I'm reading Gundam Pulitzer with her as protagonist so maybe that's why.

>>23450712
>In fact, in my opinion all the best Zeta Gundam characters so far are the brash, bratty, or just stupid ones.

This happened to me earlier this year for other Tomino anime

>>23407354
because it's absolutely retarded even when it starts to get serious. ZZ is all over the fucking place in pacing, animation quality, music choice, tonality, characterization, everything. Tomino was smoking pot for that one or something goddamn.

ZZ is BAD because it gave us Beecha and Mondo. Simple as.
Even if I want to be sandwiched by Elle, Roux and Milly, the crime of giving us Beecha and Mondo is too great to forgive.

>>23452499
>Gundam Pulitzer
>U.C.0094: Kikka set out to write Amuro Ray’s —now hailed as a war hero by the federation government— biography with the goal of knowing who he truly was, by gathering testimonies from the people who knew him.
Holy shit this sounds incredible, Im gonna check this out now, thanks anon.

>>23452754
i was gonna say something about emary being part of the sandwich but i got distracted by her wiki page's image, holy shit someone there does NOT like her

Why's Zeon so evil?
>muh both side

>>23452499
Kikka is probably one of the only one of the kids that while annoying seems fully capable once she grows up. I've been branching in to the manga myself but the problem is just like the shows, just how many spin offs and gag comics they have

>OG Gundam movies
>Zeta movies
but already forgot everything about them

>ZZ
very fun and enjoyable

>08 MS Team
>War in the Pocket
>Stardust Memory
enjoyed it, but forgot

>Thunderbolt
didn't enjoy, forgot everything about it . Atlas was cool af

>Char's Counterattack
I don't get how Char went from Quatro Vagina to Zeon commander with enough authority and power to asteroid drop. It also sucks that Amuro died here, like wtf

>Unicorn
cool story concept and cool graphics, but the writing is kinda meh with bunch of characters flip flopping sides I don't know man it's just confusing

>Hathaway
I enjoyed it and the blonde whore is hot as hell, but I don't understand a single thing about the story.

>F91
liked it. simple.

>Victory
This is probably the most BORING series after X. Boring is worse than bad.

>G-Reco
what was this even about? I didn't understand shit. the ED theme is very good.

>Turn A
My favorite gundam. the concept of Turn A and Dark History are great.

>>23453445
I think I should watch OG and Zeta, TV version for real this time. and maybe F91 and G-Reco for no reason at all

>>23453446
Currently watching Narrative.
Dropped G-Cucks after 3 episodes. an utter nonsense series.

>>23453445
You sound like you just don't like Gundam

>>23453387
Because the Zabi's are assholes. Its like if Hitler took over the american revolution one week in.

>>23453445
Reading this made me genuinely angry and then deeply sad. I am going to go outside for a while.

Since this is archiving, when it's gone would anyone like a second one? I still have more series to watch as well.

What is the deal with the 1 fag with 10 different alts spamming about X being boring. Wing fans really are fragile

>>23454207
Yeah do it, I might finish ZZ by the end of a second thread

>>23454207
Please do, I'm about to watch G-Reco and would love to talk about it later on.

>>23454757
It's one guy that makes his personality hating X for (you)s.

>>23453537
non-UC are typically better due its lack of pretentiousness and of course better mecha design overall
Wing, SEED and 00, the millennials trio are still the best
IBO was ok until the endgame retardation
AGE was ok until Kio became the protagonist. Age FX is cool as hell though.
WfM was ok until the 2nd half
only the 1st Build Fighters series was good.
I want to watch G-Gundam but can't find the mood to do so.

wtf

>>23455492
So what makes SEED better than 0079? I thought they were pretty much the exact same story?

>>23455560
Mecha design
bouncing boobs
sex

>>23455563
Oh. That is unfortunate.

>>23455492
>wing
>lack of pretentiousness
lmfao

>>23455563
I skip anime that focus on that. Good to know to ignore it

since we're archiving and on page 10, i made a new one here
>>23458765
>>23458765

>>23455560
A little bit of everything, really. Top tier music was the main one.

Cherry ice cream mouth, it keeps on talking with dialogue. Holy crap on a waffle. There eats some sushi, the bag refuses to pay for ticks.

There, new.lyrics for the opening to Juspion.