Thread 23413408

Wow, this show is great.

>>23413408 (OP)
Too bad about the fandom it attracted.

True and based

I will have to take your word for it because I hated pretty much EVERYTHING about it. Them singing Happy Birthday made me laugh out loud I thought it was so fucking stupid, and then I read online people thought it was clever and were touched by it.

>>23413408 (OP)
No it isn't.

>>23413408 (OP)
Isn't it? Shame about how underdeveloped they left the romance, and I definitely felt like the finale could have been an episode longer. Pretty much everything else therein puts it pretty up there though, far as Gundam goes.

>>23413444
I thought it was intentionally creepy just to show stunted Suletta was as a person, in addition to showing much of a shit life El4n had. And yeah it worked, I sure as shit felt bad for El4n, last thing he could think of before being vaporized was Happy goddamn Birthday. I wouldn't call it clever though.
>>23413540
I feel like the length of the finale was fine but I wouldn't have minded another episode of Calibarn fighting. Also Prospera got off way too easy in the end imo.

>>23413408 (OP)
Retard

>>23413408 (OP)
Thinking about it, it's like Aldnoah Zero or Destiny. It's still fun to make fun of it a bit because the show is open to a lot of nonsense. WfM is generally appreciated by only two groups of people: queer girls desperate for representation, and Yurifags who don't care about representation but just want to indulge in their fetish. These two are so desperate for something that doesn't turn out to be bait that they'll grab onto anything, even a poorly executed.
Everyone else, even when they're not hostile, acknowledges that the show falls apart pretty quickly.

Kinda sucks because i love Lfrith, Aerial, Pharact , Darilbalde and Calibarn.

>>23414081
the general opinion seems closer to "its good but itshouldve been a lot better"
I moslty enjoyed it for the robot action, 2D mechs are sadly becoming a rarity nowadays

>>23414081
I think you're full of shit, most people enjoyed the show but thought S2 either should have been a little longer or ended differently, that stance has nothing to do with yuri, which while having a main couple like that it isn't really a show that overly focuses on the content that genre usually provide

>>23414087
>the general opinion seems closer to "its good
mope

>>23414087
>2D mechs are sadly becoming a rarity nowadays
No its not.

>>23414171
Aside from the insults because you feel personally offended, are you capable of explaining why the show collapsed in the second season?

I think that has nothing to do with the number of episodes; unfortunately, it has to do with the narrative direction, which goes completely haywire after episode 15.

>>23414221
>are you capable of explaining why the show collapsed in the second season?
No because that is code for "the show didn't do what I wanted which was not supported by the narrative and instead did things consistent with the show"

>>23414221
>are you capable of explaining why the show collapsed in the second season?
Doesn't do much of anything with its central conflict of the war on earth to the point that you have to wonder why the fuck is it even there to begin? Even the /biz/ aspect of the show seems incredibly undercooked. But the biggest indication that the writing staff were essentially making shit up as they went on is that they had three characters stuck in a room for 4 episodes because they didn't know what the fuck to do with them with the only thing of note to sprung out from it was a half baked love story done only so the audience would feel bad for a murderer. I always laugh when people say that WfM should have been longer when it barely had enough of a plot to fit 25 episodes to begin with.

>>23414253
I can add something. Dulling is one the narrative linchpin of the world as well as many of the characters. The Season 1 show keeps the tension high by also providing a clear central purpose that resonates with Prospera and Miorine. And that's good.

Then, out of his ass, the show introduces an alliance between Dulling and Prospera with a level of ambiguity worthy of a Dark Souls game.
"All this is because Norette wanted it," the show gives us this sudden justification and expects us to have no further questions. We have to accept this bombshell that completely subvert the entire narrative between the characters and the Prologue premise.

Okay, fine, it's not exactly honest, especially when it's revealed that Prospera and Delling were in cahoots long before, but okay... The problem is that the show never really addresses all of this, from Norette's role to what she was trying to do with Quiet zero. It's just a twist without foundation to close the violent Prologue premise by forcing the narrative.
This could have been... accepted if Delling and Prospera had ACTUALLY begun a long collaboration in Season 2 to justify "forgiveness". Instead, they didn't, Delling was parking in a coma in the hospital and removed from the narrative (yes another basement twist).

People don't accept any story "just because I want it that way." All stories are works of fiction and function through a tacit agreement between the writer and the viewer.
If what's written doesn't make sense, this is treating people like they're stupid.
And let's not even talk about Suletta... while I think Miorine is a really good character overall, Suletta fails as Mc, even if she's adorable.

I miss the memes. Witch had a lot of it.
I can only remember Orga running in IBO, and zero things in Age.

>>23414253
>>23414302
my gripes are essentially the same.
WfM fundamental problem is that it doesn't know what story to tell. It is more of an amalgm of things they wanted to be in the show - the school setting, the duels a-la-Utena, ostentably the yuri etc - but fails at being more than just the sum of its parts.
I think it's a shame, because there was everything to make something really interesting, but at the end of the day it ends up being tragically mediocre.

>>23414253
>central conflict of the war on earth
That's not the central conflict.

>>23414345
It is. Its the catalyst to everything transpiring from the prologue to the end of the show and the primary motivation of the deteuragonist and without it none of the actions in the series makes sense.

>>23414345
The war is literally the reason everything happens you retard.

>>23414345
Please don't tell me you believe the /biz/ shenanigans is the central conflict of the show or Miorne and Sulletta's relationship

>>23414330

Exactly why I believe WfM needed more episodes. Fine to downplay Suletta X Miorine since it's clear having a full-blown yuri romance isn't something the conservative old folks who run Bandai Namco didn't want to stomach nor parents of children watching at 1700 hours in Japan but not exploring Asticassia and why Godoy is even helping Elnora are why I bemoan how WfM ended since they're skipped.

>>23414402
>Exactly why I believe WfM needed more episodes.
No it just needed more focus. Remove or downplay the war plot and just focus on character relationships and drama and it would have been a way better show.

>>23413408 (OP)
is it? all i see about it is two girls holding hands, and frankly i'm here for cool mecha shit not gay girls with gundam cameo

Wow, this show sure needed like 12 more episodes to actually delve in all the interesting shit about the setting instead of rushing to a mediocre finale and ending in a whimper.

>>23414387
It's not. Not letting a war break out and the situation on earth are major motivations but a war on earth is not the central conflict.

>>23414393
They plus Elnora's machinations to hijack the world's tech so Eri can move her new body on her own are more central.

>>23414184
Yes they are, Hathaway, Freedom and Gqux all went 3D

>>23414345
Youre right, the war on earth wasnt the central conflict of the story, just one of its many aspects, but it is kind of a shame how little screentime it got

>>23414532
>It's not
>literally brings up the war as the central conflict

Retard

>>23414555
The war is a lot more multi-faceted in that setting than just the war on earth, its a proxy-war basically, between multiple economic superpowers

>>23413408 (OP)
Show was pretty shit, would not rewatch

>>23413408 (OP)
Agreed. Show was great, have rewatched 4 times.

Reminder that Eri ends up stuck in keychain, of questionable taste. Nah, i'm joking she's actually inside that suitcase and can probably move from one Permet object to another, but it's still an ending that doesn't fully address that issue. That her existence is kinda a big deal, but the show doesn't want to ruin the "happy" vibe where only two people pay for their crimes and everyone else gets away with it.

My favorite part of the ending was when they had Shaddiq pay for Prospera's multiple crimes against humanity

>>23414615
It more she's the permet cube inside the suitcase and can link with other objects to speak/see. Once gund-arm gets a working exoskeleton all they have to do is pop her into it and make sure it runs on two separate energy sources and she's golden.

>>23414625
Eri....

>>23414615
I mean they can't un-juice all those babies Prospera threw into the blender
Maybe Eri could get a fully robot body again someday

>>23414620
Shaddiq was also guilty as fuck tho, they both should have payed

>>23413408 (OP)
...at being shit.

>>23414841
Delling, Prospera, the Shaddiq Harem Squad, Lauda, Eri (yeah let's not forget that she was super ok with the plan too), Guel, Peil hags, Elan0, Belmeria, they're all damn guilty.

Let's say that Guel and Elan 0 can have a pass because Vim's was an accident and Elan 0, aside from being aware of Peil's dirty deeds, has never actually done anything criminal. It's a different story for Belmeria who, as Elan5 told us, is 100% guilty.

In all this, however, only Shaddiq and Nika are punished,. This fucking Show...

>>23414869
delling and the benerit group are on trial by the end of the show, so they are in the process of paying in some way
Also eri is like a fucked up ghost child, I'll cut her some slack, but everyone else got away with it for free, specially Prospera

>great mecha design wasted on shit series
>meanwhile Iron blood orphans stuck with etiopian nigger design
At least GQUUX has shit mechas and a shit series.

>>23414221
I'm talking about what people often say when they watch the show, not what I personally agree with.

>>23414387
>>23414555
>>23414390
>>23414393

There is no one 'war' that is the cause of everything, the witchhunt is not directly related to the actions or even current standing of Benerit and Dawn of Fold, the witchunt is the initiator to Eri being sent to Mercury where she ended up dying due to sickness, the central plot of the show is directly related to Suletta, Miorine's relationship and Prospera manipulating it, the proxy wars on earth is a subplot that gives you a idea on what space has been doing to maintain a stranglehold on earth

>>23414302
>Prospera and Delling
Actually makes sense for secret collaboration when you take in account the fact that Delling clearly isn't retarded and knew Aerial was a Gundam the entire time, if you look a the lens of him just saving face for the public(which Suletta and Miorine wouldn't have known) then pic related being suspicious of why Delling didn't just send his witch hunters makes sense

>>23415014
>the central plot of the show is directly related to Suletta, Miorine's relationship and Prospera manipulating it,
Wrong and even if that was the case its also not well developed

>>23415014
>There is no one 'war' that is the cause of everything
>The prologue literally starts off with the war

Also imagine calling the war a subplot in a Gundam anime

>>23415065
>Wrong and even if that was the case its also not well developed
The ENTIRE plot of the show is kickstarted by Elnora's plan, literally nothing else would happen if she didn't manipulate it other than Shaddiq's attempt at a coup, which ONLY had footing because of Elnora's manipulation.

>>23415069
It's not even a real war, yes that is correct.
Wouldn't even be the first Gundam entry that isn't about winning or losing a war.

>>23415069
>>The prologue literally starts off with the war
The events of the Prologue isn't a war, Ochs Earth was not a nation, they got destroyed in a covert op.

>>23415088
>>23415102
>Its not about the war
>So why is the war in the plot
>It just is ok?

>>23415168
>>So why is the war in the plot
See
>the proxy wars on earth is a subplot that gives you a idea on what space has been doing to maintain a stranglehold on earth

The entire thing is apart of Shaddiq's subplot

>>23415173
So I guess this means Aerial is still a robot of some kind.

No, it's absolute fucking bullshit. Go watch G Gundam.

>>23416640
Wrong, G-Witch is good so watch both.

>>23415168
you gotta be kinda retarded

>>23414402
>Exactly why I believe WfM needed more episodes
to be fair 24 episodes are enough to tell a compelling story. I can maybe close an eye for the first season, but the second one was a disaster of storytelling. Even if you added 20 more episodes this would not resolve the actual problem: they don't know where to go with the story.

I liked it but felt kinda underwhelmed. Same with the mecha designs. They are all cool but not enough for me to actually buy them (except the Lfrith Pre-production, I love it)

What freaks me out about G-Witch is that it is a 6/10 show (if that) and people treat it like it is a 10/10 genre defying mastetpiece that should be taught in schools like it was Frieren or something.

>>23417379
WFM feels like it's been tailor-made to elicit the sensation of not having enough of anything. Worldbuilding, character development, main plot, side plots. even mobile suit action, everything feels like a placeholder for something bigger and better. It's that hype for future payoff that carried it so hard all the way up until episode 15 when the problems first thrust themselves into the open.
That abortive prequel manga did a better job fleshing out the setting that the entirety of the show itself, at least where Earth is concerned.

>>23417392
Frieren wasn't that great either. In fact it's actually a perfect example of a 6/10 that everyone treats as a 10/10.

>>23417405
Okay pleb.

>>23417409
Dude, it's 4chan. Even the with the most 10/10 show ever (if that thing can even exist) you will always find someone that wants to contradict you.

>>23417392
It's called astroturfing. Nobody who watched this show had any interest in Gundam. They were there for one thing and it certainly wasn't the quality of the plot.

>>23417628
>hey were there for one thing and it certainly wasn't the quality of the plot.
Yeah, the mobile suits were pretty great. They should repeat that trick with separate mech designers for each manufacturer in some better series.

>Plenty of lesbians in wfm
Bros...

Isn't this show popular in Japan until now?

>>23417981
Only popular with middle-aged men

>>23417994
So it's popular

>>23418027
So, yours was not a question.

>>23418108
I'm just wondering since it's always getting more stuffs on x.

>>23418131
It's a show aimed at a specific audience with a specific fetish. It's not much about the robots, more like the two heroine in full love/sex.

>>23413408 (OP)
>background is a destroyed area
>show's setting is in elite school
Even the art was scam

>>23414221
Nta, but I didn't even make it that far. We had an entire season full of slice of life high-school high jinks and barely interesting mecha duels, then finally towards the end things kick off, there's the potential fir a limited or even total war scenario, heavy fighting in space, Guel kills his dad by mistake, we see Suletta just kill someone casually and she's doing those crazy eyes at her waifu and there's whole hints as to what she is, and how her manufactured psyche works...
And then Season 2 starts and everything has reverted back to how it was, more or less. Yay, high-school high jinks, yay more slice of life slop. Oh but we do at least get to see Suletta get her ass handed to her after her magic laser drone crutch was removed and she was forced to fight at the same tech level as anyone else.
Aside from that, there's nothing interesting happening. I gave up shortly after seeing that episode and finally accepted that nothing was going to happen with the show.
The war on earth? Irrelevant
The other gundams? Barely worth mentioning
The cool mech fights? All just arena nonsense with no stakes and boring action
The half hearted yuri focus? Nothing was ever going to happen
The /biz/ side? Honestly just not enough to support the rest if that disastrous plot.

>>23419301
Two school shootings happened

>>23419301
Anon...

>>23419323
>Oh but we do at least get to see Suletta get her ass handed to her after her magic laser drone crutch was removed and she was forced to fight at the same tech level as anyone else.
Funny you say that when she was about to turn guel into a stain on the floor until the Aerial was forcefully shut down and then destroyed multiple drones and out paced Eri later.

>>23419323
>Nothing was ever going to happen
They got married.

>>23419323
This is a prime example of
>>23414223
>the show didn't do what I wanted which was not supported by the narrative and instead did things consistent with the show

I think narratively speaking, from the start Suletta was nothing but a tool, inciting conflict was what Prospera and Eri was going to do, Suletta was only ever going to be used to get them far enough to do it.
We DID see a limited war scenario,, it just wasn't the focus of Suletta's life, she'd have no way to participate in any conflict on earth anyways.

\>The other gundams? Barely worth mentioning
>The cool mech fights? All just arena nonsense with no stakes and boring action
>The half hearted yuri focus? Nothing was ever going to happen
>The /biz/ side? Honestly just not enough to support the rest if that disastrous plot.
The rest of this doesn't even make sense, the two new Gundams you think isn't worth mentioning literaly caused two school shootings and cancelled arena duels because of it, beyond the fight Suletta lost EVERY fight past that point was real conflict, we even saw combat on earth before that as well.

Also, the two MCs did get together in the end too

>>23419416
>off screen
Wow it's fucking nothing. We'll talk about it when it will be something relevant to the show's screentime.

>>23415173
What's the point of making a highschool au about a highschool au.

>>23419431
Because nobody read the prequel manga that was about mecha and politics.

>>23419434
Because it was boring and added nothing.

>>23419434
G-Witch has never been about mecha or politics.

>>23419434
Vanadis Heart isn't that different from the main show, yes it gives background on Earth and SAL but that's because it takes place on Earth.
And I do like the mecha and story, I even bought the Gunpla

>>23419440
Nah, G-Witch does use those, VH is just bad at it.

>>23419440
Damn, no wonder why the show sucks and retards like it.

>>23419442
Lfrith Anavata looks pretty good but it could use a better color scheme
Naion is pretty cool too

>>23419449
Funny enough I think Anavata's color scheme is exactly the one I used in either SDGO or MSGO before

I wish this masterpiece was the Rx-78 from the G-Witch universe, Lfrith's grandfather, or the first Gundam. It's beautiful.

It's a grunt drone, which is fine, but it's a shame because I think it would have worked great as a "zero unit" used in the drone war. By the way, the kit sold a lot; on Japanese sites I see a lot of people talking about it because it's really easy to customize.

I wish this masterpiece was the Rx-78 from the G-Witch universe, Lfrith's grandfather, or the first Gundam. It's beautiful.

It's a grunt drone, which is fine, but it's a shame because I think it would have worked great as a "zero unit" used in the drone war. The kit has also sold like hotcakes; on Japanese websites I see a lot of people talking about it because it's really easy to customize.

And yes, I like the mecha design of G-Witch. I just wish the show wouldn't seek out such a toxic fandom to broaden its reach.

>>23419462
Tomino actually praised wfm.

>>23419463
>toxic fandom
That's /m/.

>>23419463
Pretty sure this bad boy is the original model based off of model names while Lfrith as we know it may have been a prototype for a successor model

>>23419428
>I think narratively speaking, from the start Suletta was nothing but a tool, inciting conflict was what Prospera and Eri was going to do, Suletta was only ever going to be used to get them far enough to do it.

Suletta exists solely to pilot Aerial in the school arena and allow Eri to reach a higher Permet Score. Which is already a ridiculously stupid plan, given that it relies heavily on luck. Prospera may have all the faith in Eri skills, but the fact remains that Suletta got lucky twice. And the entire plan didn't fall through only because Miorine magically intervened in episode 2, something Prospera deserves no credit for.

>>23419471
Yes, it's a pretty nice suit.

>>23419473
Suletta is the one with the skills, Eri couldn't control the Aerial until white permet.

>>23419473
Suletta was basically trained using Aerial's computer simulator and technically had field experience where the other kids didn't.

Remember too that Prospera intentionally wanted Miorine and Suletta to interact as well, she likely already knew the father and the daughter had issues and wanted to use that to her advantage

>>23419478
Suletta only serves to get Aerial moving at the beginning when the Permet scores is low, but Eri (as if she were Alice) is the key card Prospera truly has faith in. In fact, Suletta clearly lost against Elana 04, but Eri intervenes with her hex power and saves Suletta. The Gbits are controlled by Eri children even with a low level Permet score. And let's not forget that the second fight against Guel isn't even a fair duel, since Eri can deactivate the opposing mobile suits and doesn't hesitate to do so instead of facing Guel on equal terms. And that's why NO ONE considers Suletta a good pilot, even though she probably is.

The only time the show shows what Suletta can do is in the final battle, but it's truly a great disservice to the character.

I wish we had more proper Suletta/Eri-Aerial interactions.

>>23419497
Honestly you don't even need to go that far, Suletta held her own under antidote before she reached permit score 4.

>>23419499
IF they had to animate anything more for WFM, they really, really should've just animated Cradle Planet since it gives proper background for both

>>23419502
>Suletta held her own under antidote before she reached permit score 4.

"Held" isn't exactly a sign of skill, she's mid-tier at best. Show me Suletta defeating even ONE of the Shaddiq girls under Antidote, and then yeah, we're good. That's my problem with the show. It seems like the director is so keen to show off how good Guel is at deflecting bullets, avoiding Pharact lasers, or defeating Shaddiq and Lauda, and Suletta seems deliberately shown with little value for herself.

>>23419429
I'm pretty sure Miorine and Suletta got married on Mercury since Japan is illegal.

>>23419499
They just did in the Cradle, also more interactions in spin-off manga.

>>23419515
Anon fighting 4v1 basically EMP'd and not losing is pretty fucking impressive, it's for similar reason that Char not getting ganked by Scirocco and Haman was impressive

>>23419520
Nobody gives a shit about Japan, and even if it exists in AD Stella, why would Miorine and Suletta go get married in that shithole when same-sex marriage is accepted in the colonies?

>>23419515
it was Suletta who's controlling it and defeating them while Eri is her literally battery.

>>23419530
>Colonies
ohh right, Suletta was injured. They probably brought their Priest in the hospital that's why we don't see their wedding ceremony.

It's better to see this as the movie.

>>23414615
>>23414625
Actually, the Mechanics & World book specified she indeed is inside the keychain.

>>23419527
Elan defeats 3 enemies alone with a grunt. Even considering that the Shaddiq girls are better, Suletta has Aerial, which should be a state of art mobile suit, so she should be able to do a little better than that.

>>23419539
>specified she indeed is inside the keychain.

Nah, she's inside the suitcase and can move from one object to another. It's very poorly made and unexplained in the show, but she were inside the keychain, she'd be a quadriplegic stuck in a toy. Horror movie stuff.

>>23419515
>deflecting bullets
sure he can deflect them but he is really bad at aiming

>avoiding Pharact lasers
literally caught Guel at the very end

>or defeating Shaddiq
You mean tie breaker?

>Lauda
You need to watch it again, Guel didn't do anything to help. He should've told his brother about his problem that he killed their Dad from the very beginning.

also Guel was an ex-groom, obviously he need to be show off like one but in the end he's just a failure

>and Suletta seems deliberately shown with little value for herself.
Probably she's nothing without her Bride

>>23419544
Elan defeats three grunts in Gwitch's version off a Guntank.

Suletta doesn't get ganked by MS designed to destroy MS just like Aerial, even Ur and Thorn struggled fighting grunts using Beguir Pente before they forcefully raised their permit score, I don't think those are similar comparisons at all

>>23419497
>doesn't hesitate to do so instead of facing Guel on equal terms
She only jacks his bits.

>>23419544
What about million of gundvolvas where Suletta used Calibarn to destroy them? none of them shot Suletta

>>23419558
also, she already has learned how to use it in just an hour

>>23419563
Because the show has to end, so everything is condensed into these two episodes. There is no time to learn.

>>23419576
Aren't Aerial and Calibarn were repaired by the same company? by Prospera?

>>23414253
>central conflict of the war on Earth
Alright, so let me break it down to what exactly is going on, because the show actually does an incredibly bad job at explaining it all, and people don't often pay attention even to stuff that was showed on screen.

Earth is ruled by a variety of economic blocks, nation-states, and different armed factions, who wage war against each other. All of these factions are connected to different corporations and conglomerates in space, who give their respective clients money and weapons, turning these wars into proxy wars. Benerit is only one of these, and mostly holds influence in Lagrange 4 colonies. It's a collection of many different Mobile Suit, Mobile Craft, mining and space industry corporations. The Benerit "military" we see in the show is mostly hired security meant to guard its members' assets on Earth and hunt suspected terrorists.

War Partitioning is basically a war cartel, which ensures that Spacians will get money to cover expenses of space development, while it ensures that no Earthian faction ever completely loses, and the wars don't get out of hand. Since Earthians kept buying weapons from Spacians, they eventually caused a global depression, and the widening of economic inequalities between Earth and space. This is what Shaddiq wanted to destroy by selling Benerit to Earthian corporations, so Earthians' could get a bigger piece of the pie, buy weapons from Earthians, and get more sway in space as a result. Of course he didn't consider they could have just bought back the assets as we saw in the epilogue, but that's a matter of another discussion.

>>23419583


Dawn of Fold is a small terrorist group that is part of a wider Anti-Spacian terrorist network, who namely want to "restore Earth" by giving more power to its corporations. These guerrilla fighters are known to have attacked even Earthians (manga), which is why they're constantly living on the run from everyone, including Earth's governments. Of course, as we know, they are in fact proxies of SAL, and in connection with the underground Ochs Earth Corporation. Sophie and Norea were agents of Ochs Earth, and temporary members of the group. It was also implied by Norea that Olcott and Naji were agents of either SAL or Ochs, and this is where Olcott's Gund-Body came from.

Space Assembly League is the big bad behind most of the plots in the show, and they're effectively a space UN. While space is ruled by the independent governments of Lagranges, corporations hold a lot of sway in politics. SAL has a faction in its leadership, who has long seeked to assert central control over corporations and probably the Lagrange governments. In order to undermine them, SAL has funded Earthian terrorists by giving them weapons and money, and by propping up Ochs Earth Corporation in secret. Shaddiq learned about this, and made contact with them. Throwing their lot behind Shaddiq taking down Benerit, SAL got him in contact with Dawn of Fold, began feeding him information, and vice-versa. The escalation of violence after Plant Quetta drum up tensions, which Shaddiq and SAL took advantage of, ramping up the criticism of Benerit Group over its harsh measures, and using the fear of terrorism to get Shaddiq elected as Benerit's president, and justify SAL's action against the group. I suspect the reason they supported Shaddiq was because they could have just bought back the assets, which is what happened in the epilogue.

So essentially this conflict is literally a "good luck, I'm standing behind five thousand different proxies".

>>23419580
Prospera had nothing to do with Calibarn. Calibarn was an old project, an alternative that discarded in favor of the lfrith. She probably didn't even know the MS still existed .

>>23419580
Calibarn was a 20-year old prototype built by Ochs Earth, which SAL recovered and kept running (for some reason).

>>23419586
>>23419587
Huh, I forgot about that. So the guy and Bel just found that thing.

>>23419593
No, the glowie phoned other glowies to bring it to Benerit.

>>23419595
glowie who?

>>23419599
The black guy with Bel

>>23419583
Based nigga, it's always nice to read comments like this on /m.

Reading things like this makes me even more angry with the authors. I know it always falls into the usual "what I wish I had" category, but this whole setup would have allowed for a more interesting scenario if used well.

And I'm fine with keeping the romance between Suletta and Miorine, but it would have been enough to make Suletta a corporate agent tasked with protecting Miorine and occasionally having to take on other missions with other characters.

The world of G.Witch seems so small.

>>23419602
You're the only person who cares about the setting. The target audience only wants explicit sex scenes between the two lesbians. Anything else, like Guel suffering, is wasted screentime.

Remember when Norea, Elan and Nika spent 6 episodes locked in a basement

>>23419611
Delling is handled the same way.

>>23419612
Delling was essentially just a red herring.

>>23419611
Norea and Sophie were supposed to be foils for 4 and 5, so it kinda made sense. Nika being there didn't. I still fail to think about the logistics there. Did they even have a shitter?

>>23419608
isn't that the same for het couples like garrod/tiffa and kira/lacus? every couples deserve a happy ending

>>23419620
I wonder what happened to Sophie's corpse, did they just throw it to space

>>23419626
you can literally see her grave on Earth with the kids

>>23419631
How did they send it to Earth?

>>23419632
Norea literally helped her

>>23419634
Norea is in space and is in no position to be able to send a corpse to Earth.

>>23419622
No, it's not the same. The girls are just a plus. Kicking villains ass with a gundam was the point.

>>23419631
That grave was just symbolic. It has no corpse .

>>23419639
Killing Prospera is not the answer. Also, Shaddiq is literally a good guy on Earth so no villains

>>23419641
>>23419638
I doubt they left Sophie...

Prospera and Delling should've fought themselves while their laws are dating.

>>23419643
That's like saying Gihren isn't a villain because he's a good guy to Zeon. Sure, his motivations aren't evil, but his actions sure weren't good or something anybody profited from. He literally released a violent terrorist to attack a vocational school as a smokescreen / false-flag.

>>23419664
He's brokenhearted and he doesn't care anymore, Suletta already won in everything.

>>23419602
The problem you have here is that you're wanting something a bit more than what either Miorine and Suletta are equipped to do, similarly to how Amuro was never going to fix the setting of UC during the OYW, he could only do what he was able to do(this is also why Char seethes at Amuro, he's content with never truly leading and trusts in a system).

Miorine did try to negotiate at least and it backfired heavily, and even she knows what occurred in the epilogue wasn't a fix but a bandaid, at the end of the day she only had 100% loyal support of one company and one start up company

>>23419608
>>23419680
nta but Suletta was literally a proto Commander and Miorine was proto Mistress before, the directors just changed the story.

>>23419643
It should have. Is Eri Freedom worth sacrificing the well-being of everyone else? The retarded viewer would answer yes, but I'm sure the people affected by the Quit Zero shock, or those who were affected on Earth by Prospera attack would disagree. Prospera should be on trial to determine her responsibilities. Being the protagonist's mother can't be a free ticket.

>>23419683
I feel they did it to compensate for IBO's rather bleak ending

>>23419682
Yeah but that was very early on in production when that change happened, the story was going to be way different in that direction.

>>23419683
I think it's important to note that Suletta was indeed being a bit selfish there, which while does work with the theme of having her do things the way she wants it rather than what other people tell her things should be it does come across strange.

Her only saving grace is that not many people probably even know what Prospera looks like under the mask and she has super cancer now

>>23419683
It wasn't Prospera's fault why she turned herself into crazy Mom, though

>>23419680
Obviously, it couldn't work in way the show is.. That's why Suletta had to be some kind of corporate agent, something that narratively gave her an excuse to stay at the school, but at the same time quickly return to Earth when she's needed and be involved in worldbuilding moment. That way, you can alternate between school settings and gundam warfare in a credible way. At some point Miorine gets involved, obviously but the key point is that Suletta and Miorine must be together, whether at school or on the battlefield. And they must continually save each other by exploiting each other's strengths.

>eh but the show does exactly that
Right, in low-stakes and repetitive way, because duels are repetitive since they don't bring any real contextual difference. That's the problem.

The real reason many writers make do Slice of Life isn't because the audience wants it. It's simply because it's easier to write.

>>23419707
>Suletta had to be some kind of corporate agent, something that narratively gave her an excuse to stay at the school, but at the same time quickly return to Earth when she's needed and be involved in worldbuilding moment.

Well, literally the first episodes of Gundam Wing. And I think Setsuna also alternated school and "work" for some reason I don't remember.

>>23419689
I would have appreciated it much more if the show had shown that Prospera was pardoned only because Suletta insisted, with all the criticisms she faces firmly

>>23419682
>Suletta was literally a proto Commander
I kinda get some arts now.

>>23419583
>War Partitioning
Such an awful-looking, unnatural construct in the first place. Just say "proxy wars" like normal people holy shit. Fucking Crunchyshit,

>>23419437
Looks like something from front mission.

>>23413408 (OP)
>make a dozen different cool grunt suits
>barely expand on any of them
>every mecha battle except two is "aerial is bullshit lmao"

>>23416646
Wrong, G-bitch fucking sucks, it's absolute shit. Go watch G Gundam.

>>23419799
>Zowort heavy had literally 0 scenes
it hurts

>>23419812
Wrong, G-Witch is good, watch both.

>>23419799
>>23419816
The only MS with a kit with a low amount of footage is literally just pic related, everything else has a fair amount of scenes

>>23419816
Wasn't that in the team against Dawn of Fold?

>>23419857
It was also in the Shaddiq fight

>>23419859
Not the Zowort Heavy

>>23419870
You're right, that being said Zowort Heavy did get a lot of screentime in the dawn of fold fight anyways

Kill Earthians. Behead Earthians. Roundhouse kick a Earthian into the concrete. Slam dunk a Earthian baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy blacks. Defecate in a Earthians food. Launch Earthians into the sun. Stir fry Earthians in a wok. Toss Earthians into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Earthians gas tank. Judo throw Earthians into a wood chipper. Twist Earthians heads off. Report Earthians to the IRS. Karate chop Earthians in half. Curb stomp pregnant black Earthians. Trap Earthians in quicksand. Crush Earthians in the trash compactor. Liquefy Earthians in a vat of acid. Eat Earthians. Dissect Earthians. Exterminate Earthians in the gas chamber. Stomp Earthian skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate Earthians in the oven. Lobotomize Earthians. Mandatory abortions for Earthians. Grind Earthian fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown Earthians in fried chicken grease. Vaporize Earthians with a ray gun. Kick old Earthians down the stairs. Feed Earthians to alligators. Slice Earthians with a katana.

>>23419851
Schwarzette doesn't have a lot of screen time either.

>>23419913
Schwarzette's screentime felt like an extended commercial for its kit. They should just have given it to Guel or something, the way it was implemented in the show was embarrassing.

>>23419608
Yeah the audience for this isn't the /m/ audience. I get they are a bunch of shitters.

>>23419917
S2 is where the show fell apart and they overcompensated for IBO's tragedy.

>>23419608
I liked the setting, even without the lesbians, I hope we go back one day, permet is really interesting

>>23419917
>Have to given it to Guel
That won't work when Guel literally became pussy and saint in the end which is really funny.

>>23419799
>every mecha battle except two is "aerial is bullshit lmao"
You could say the same thing about a lot of gundam MCs

>>23420224
Or just changed Suletta's gender (and El4n which is good rival for Miorine) the story is still the same.

>>23420289
If you change the gender of Suletta ,or Miorine, the show lose its convenient double standard .

>>23420766
>or Miorine
a perfect girl like her doesn't really need to change her gender, it's what women are (trophy in men's eyes) this is why lesbians/wifeguys exist to save the hopeless girl/princess.

if yuri tends to make me feel sad and depressed should I stay away from this show?

>>23423234
Update: I watched the prologue and that shit was sad.

>>23423234
no its pretty good, go ahead

>>23413408 (OP)
Yeah no it sucked ass. I'm not sure who they made this for, I dont not give a fuck about highschool girl relationship drama.

>>23428081
The prologue has very little to do with the real show. It was also made by a different team. It's pretty much like Stargazer.

>>23428455
The prologue has a lot to do with the show.
>It was also made by a different team.
So, it was the same team.

>>23423234
Nothing happens on screen, and the 2 leads have zero chemistry. Hell, their relationship is borderline abusive.

>>23428081
You just watched the best part. Better stop now.

>>23417405
Frieren is amazing though, for those who have the patience to enjoy it.

>>23430170
So no one on /m/.

>>23430074
Wrong, wrong, and wrong.

>>23434194
cuuuuute

>>23430074
Why so opposite?

>>23428455
They're the same people who gave their idea of Proto Commander Suletta and Proto Mistress Miorine.

>>23413408 (OP)
I miss it every day.

>>23423234
I'm not sure what you meant by sad but the lesbians got their happy ending.

>>23439619
>I'm not sure what you meant by sad
Is it that uncommon for people to get fucked up mentally from yuri?

>>23419799
But enough about Gundam Unicorn, let's get back to WfM.

is this supposed to be some sort of gang sign?

>>23442066
>Suletta confirmed she watched Ranma 1/2

>>23413408 (OP)
Good but the ending was rushed

>>23419824
Wrong, G Gundam is good, bitch from merdeury is not. You're a retard kill yourself

>>23443309
wrong, they are both good

>>23442593
true but I still liked it, F91 references are always welcome

>>23443327
Unicorn reference is probably my most favorite in wfm.

All I want is a good new gundam show...

>>23417392
Frieren is aggressively mediocre. It only caught on because of waifufags and shonentards loving the 3 or so minutes of fights that the show has.

Dungeon Meshi is better in every conceivable way but tourists will call it "le reddit" despite 4chan being the birthplace of Dungeon Meshi's western relevance.

>>23417392
I think it's because of yuri romance that until now it still top 1 most favorite yuri twice. That's why they made spin off manga without Gundam but there's still mecha.

>>23419608
I think the setting is cool...

>>23444620
you WILL consume AU series with bad pacing and rushed endings and you will LIKE it.

>>23445279
when was the last time we got a series with good pacing and a well-put together ending, the original SEED?

>>23445426
G-Quacks Gunduck, 00, G-Reco, compared to G-Woke you can throw in Age and Unicorn too.

>>23423234
>>23428081
Update: this show has made sad and depressed. Yuri is always like this. I don't know why I thought it'd be different this time.

>>23445441
>G-Quacks
lmao
>G-Reco
dude
>00
I love 00 but its ending is the definition of divisive

>>23445445
It was made by the Valverave guy who also wrecked Grendizer U.

>>23445441
>G-Quacks
So you're not serious.

>>23445449
seeing someone describe okouchi as "the valvrave guy" is hilarious
>>23445499
G-cucks trannies are still trying to convince people their show wasnt an abortion

>>23445502
It was the first 10/10 Gundam mainline series we had since 00. I say mainline because Build Divers managed to be the third best overall after Seed Destiny and Victory.
>>23445499
I am.

>>23445505
>Gcuacks a 10/10
>Build divers
so transgender and 12, incredible, consider roping

>>23445508
awww did the little baby get his feelings hurt on 4chan

what are you gonna do about it? nigger some more?

>>23445555
Well, you have a weird take so clearly you're the problem. You should stop.

>>23445555
shut up tranny, try watching something good before you kill yourself

now that I have watched the following in order:
>gquuuuuux
>msg79
>wfm
what should I watch next? IBO? frieren? evangelion? take a break for a bit to focus on building gunpla? people tell me zeta but like I've come to realize I have very different preferences than the average gundam fan

>>23445674
Watch all AS Gundam series, I like them better (including wfm) than UC honestly.

>>23445674
Seed or 00.

>>23445674
Victory Gundam or Gundam X.

Zeta sucks ass but ZZ is excellent so it's up to you. Victory is what people praise Zeta for doing, but actually does well. Zeta is the definition of 20% great, 80% filler.

>>23445674
After war gundam X is a masterpiece, watch that one if you had to pick just 1.

>>23445447
>I love 00 but its ending is the definition of divisive

The fuck? you're making this up on the spot. there is nothing divisive in 00 ending. At most, people complain that half of Season 2 is repetitive and uninteresting. The finale of Season 00 movie is the natural continuation of Season 1 and is, above all, the epilogue of Setsuna's journey.

>>23445834
I hated the entire cast of ZZ. I didn't care if anyone lived or died from that group they were all annoying and unintetesting as fuck.

>>23443327
Wrong, G-Bitch is bad and for retards

>>23446153
X sucks.

>>23446425
fuck off drool

I regret watching the yuri gundam. I've been sad and depressed all day.

>>23446860
>Not just trying to be chad like Suletta

>>23447037
Yuri romance always fucks me up. It's always like this.

>>23446611
Kill yourself nigger

>>23414081
>queer girls desperate for


Fujos aren't gay

>>23449563
kill yourself drool

>>23446860
Just be like Suletta and find yourself a girlfriend.

>>23419428
I'm going to say something exceptionally cynical here. I feel that they saw how popular the show was going to be, because of the main character, and ultimately decided it was probably the safest idea not to do anything too nasty to her.
Hence why the conclusion of the series is an even chintzier version of Gundam Unicorn, but with more Gundams. It's the first Gundam final battle where no-one was trying to kill anyone else.
Compare that to the conclusion of Iron-Blooded Orphans, where the finale utterly brutalizes the cast. Word was that they wanted to kill Atra too, but backed out.
It was Gundam's first lesbian protagonist, so they couldn't do anything too bad to her. But Gundam is all about really twisting the nipples of the protagonist, so it feels like Suletta has no material to work with.

>>23455272
I mean, it is not that abnormal for Gundam, this is how Zeta into ZZ happened, Judau suffered literally zero losses and the only people that died was antagonists and lesser side characters and it was done that way to offset Zeta's ending for a more positive tone

>>23413408 (OP)
i liked it. There were some things that could have been better, but i definitely wouldn't say it was bad. As newtype shenanigans go, the whole haunted keychain thing was pretty weird (even compared to things like EXAM or EX-S) but maybe not as weird as the wishing stones from Build Fighters.
One might argue that they chickened out on the "sapphically ever after" ending, but one might also argue that the relationship was meant to be platonic from the beginning and that shippers are bad.

>>23455272
while I wouldnt put it past bandai to make a business oriented decision like that to slap Suletta on all the merch (thats literally what they've been doing) I dont think IBO is a good comparison, most gundam MCs get happy ending, its IBO whos actually the exception

>>23456846
>One might argue that they chickened out on the "sapphically ever after" ending
They didn't. All the staff have said they are married.

>>23457094
bandai put out a statement saying it's "open to interpretation" and that they are "just really close friends" because they are cowards

>>23457294
sure, but every writer and showrunner has confirmed they are married so who cares, bandai gets shit wrong all the time

>>23457345
>but every writer and showrunner has confirmed they are married so who cares
Tomino and other directors says stupid shit all the time and they're never seen as canon or do you believe Fukuda when he says Kira and Lacus are more like siblings than lovers just because he said it in an interview

>>23457408
>Kira and Lacus are more like siblings than lovers just because he said it in an interview
yes? hes the creator, his word is final
Kira and Lacus didnt officially get together until Seed Freedom, thats literally the plot of the movie

>>23457408
I don't see why anyone should care what some executive who didn't work on a show thinks over the people who did, who gives a fuck about canon?

>>23413408 (OP)
its grown on me recently even if I think the ending is shit and suletta is comically retarded at time

>>23445229
even if I didnt like the show I have to admit the setting and the core premise of the story make for some good sci fi even if the execution left me disappointed

>>23457446
Kira and Lacus have been a couple since SEED.
You’re a retard.

>>23457766
that why they had never kissed on screen right?
retard

>>23457470
>I don't see why anyone should care what some executive who didn't work on a show
Because they're ultimately in charge and own the property

>>23461387
But they are wrong when it contradicts what is shown on screen.

>>23461387
they still run their decisions through the creators, when was the last time they fucked over a writer

>>23461387
And who gives a fuck? Games will treat them as a couple, staff will treat them as a couple, fans will treat them as a couple

I don't even care that much about their relationship, I just think you're retarded for caring about what some suit thinks over literally anyone more intimate with the property, the exact kind of cocksucker who cares about star wars 'canon'

>>23413408 (OP)
>Wow, this show is great.
its alright, lot better than gqux but thats not saying much at all

>>23461387
And if John Bandai himself came down from the heavens and told you that Suletta's hair was blue, I assume you'd just roll with that in the face of what you can see in the work he didn't work on. Even if later official releases continued to colour it red.

>>23413408 (OP)
I gave it a solid 8/10 for a first outing in a new setting and a personal 9/10. It needed more time to breathe, and really should've been given some more runtime to build engagement and focus on the world more, but I don't dislike what we got. The sound design and music choices were some of the strongest I've seen from Sunrise in a while, and I like the mecha themselves and the idea of assigning different designers to different companies to maintain internal consistency while paving the way for a wide variety of them.

I do wish we got to see more of those transhumanist tones behind the GUND technology, and I hope if Bandai ever revisits the setting seriously that they'll focus on that.

>>23450251
Fuck off nigger

>>23467108
This is worst opinion I've heard in a while

>>23442066
Yes.

>>23472922
Well cope about it.

>>23467108
Same. I think they had a good thing going in season 1, but season 2 is where it falls apart. I don't know if it needed more episodes or they just weren't using their time well enough, but they should've eased off the drama and had more time dedicated to earth house making the gund-arm company work so they could reform the image of the technology.

>>23478375
I'm glad to see my favourite WFM suit looks good ingame.

I have a better question: Was a romantic Yuri relationship even necessary? Feels like it was forced into this show for shipper points, to be honest.

What do you guys think?

>>23479952
Is anything truly necessary? It's fiction, none of it is.
As to if it adds anything, yeah I think it does. I don't think Prospera's manipulation of Miorine would hit as well if she was just using a friendship as leverage, and the scene where they make up is pretty crucial to their character arcs, particularly in defining Suletta's progression from well meaning and reactive to prepared to act for her own interests.
The story would still mechanically function if the relationship was replaced with a no-homo friendship but I don't think it'd be an improvement, or a sidegrade.

>>23479952
>Was a romantic Yuri relationship even necessary?
Yes
>Feels like it was forced into this show for shipper points, to be honest.
It does not.

>>23479952
I think they should have committed further to it, but Sunrise clearly wanted to leave Bandai some "oh they are just really good friends and the off-screen lesbian marriage is open to interpretation" wiggle room.

>>23413408 (OP)
It was okay. I enjoyed it until towards the end where it felt like a major ass pull. I quite liked the yuri aspect :3

>>23417405
Frieren was great until the exam tournament whatever the fuck arc.

>>23419799
nigger have you EVER watched a mecha show?

>>23413408 (OP)
it was great only because of how bad everything else has been
I quite liked WfM but the lack of any real competition makes it seem better than it probably is

>>23494318
As much as people say 'oh a bunch of people only watched for the yuri' I think a much bigger component is that it's incredibly slim pickings for anime-original series these days, and that goes double for ones with the budget and talent behind them that Sunrise can bring to a flagship AU. Plus like you said, not much competing mecha either.
I really hope Sunrise is able to keep the technical quality bar up for the next AU. IBO was all over the shop. Also curious if their Macross show is going to get the same level of love.

>>23457094
Would have been nice if that actually happened. Shit that staff say after the fact is NOT the same as what the show literally portrays. The romance was completely limp and noncommittal, and it brings what would be an all-time great Gundam entry to just a good one.

>>23494335
They're engaged from the first episode, Suletta explicitly reclaims her title as groom and gets Mio back, and they're living together on Earth in the epilogue with matching rings.
I would've liked them to be more direct about it too but I think they pushed it about as far as they could with a company that didn't want to risk their flagship model kit IP becoming a battleground in a culture war, and it's not like there's another reasonable way to read the ending anyway.

>>23494318
>>23494331
>it was great only because of how bad everything else has been
You don't watch anything if WfM is your benchmark for quality

>>23461396
>The creators of the show are wrong
Lmao ok
>>23461406
>they still run their decisions through the creators,
Hey retard Bandai are the creators. Gundam anime are ran by a committee not a sole creator
>>23461450
>Coping and seething the post

Kek

>>23494401
nah youre the one with bad taste, whatever you watch is the low benchmark champ

>>23417405
it's a great adaptation of a pretty mediocre Manga. The animation and soundtrack carries the series and story is pretty decent up until the yet to be animated Golden City arc, after that writing and story take a turn for the worst, especially when you realize that the author is making shit up as he goes and has no idea where the story and characters should end up. Character development is non existent and there's one particularly retarded chapter that's basically character assassination for Frieren

>>23494401
I think it was pretty clear my post was talking about technical quality, and you can feel however you like about the show from any other angle but if you're really going to argue it wasn't well technically executed you're exposing yourself as a dumbass with an axe to grind.

>>23494615
>I think it was pretty clear my post was talking about technical quality
The show had production issues and wasn't even the best looking show in the season it came out

>>23494577
You're always have shit taste for praising WfM

>>23494331
gwitch has cool kits and some interesting sci fi plot points even if the ending drops the ball, people got mad about the Yuri stuff because of how fucking insufferable twitter homos are and the fact suletta's characterization was over the top at times

>>23494697
>You're always have shit taste for praising WfM
thank you saaaaaaar, ESL opinion discarded

>>23494697
Okay, show me the better looking mecha show it was airing alongside.
I'll wait.

>>23494711
People are still mad that Suletta became so likable in the games.

>>23497033
Suletta was likeable in the show, the plot was kind of a jumbled mess but the characters where great until the end

>>23497194
I didn't say she was unlikable, though. I just said SO likable in the game.

>>23497033
>>23497194
>>23497401
Why are you lying so much?

>>23494764
I accept your comncession

>>23494881
>Okay, show me the better looking mecha show it was airing alongside.
MEGATON MUSASHI

>>23497438
Musashi's 3D mecha look surprisingly good
MC is also a based thug with heart of gold, gunning for ALIEN PUSSY

>>23488473
Cute.

>>23497438
>MEGATON MUSASHI
not even you believe that

>>23480306

Personally, I should have been glad they did a lesbian protagonist. The problem: the execution and yuri fans on X/Twitter eating it up regardless of it.