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(Near) complete unit and character assets from Gihrens Greed: Menace of Axis V
[For those that wish to make their own creations with the potential for them to be added as mercenary blueprints to the current game OR for their own personal uses.]

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>>23445947 (OP)
Copy X plans to go on a slight break due to work and making assets for the run, so this will be a holdover thread for the next few weeks until his return.

Feel free to chat about the run, more meta aspects of Gihren's Greed or just shoot the shit in the meantime.

>>23445951
I'm guessing it's a deliberate choice that we don't yet know what kind of tech tree we're working with. It's surely going to lean more towards Zeon designs overall.
Intelligence is going to be very important for us as Ramba on the run. Artesia is going to be able to subtly divert attention from us here or there, but the former Luna forces at the very least will be hunting us down mercilessly. We need to avoid battles as much as possible until shit really goes down with Axis and we can start thinking about possible alliances of convenience.
I'm guessing some backwater colony Feddies like to forget exists like Side 1 or something is our best bet for a "base", or is it gonna be more like those character campaigns where you don't have territorial control, you just move between battles, as in the vanilla game?
Gotta say this is a banger campaign

>>23446103
>It's surely going to lean more towards Zeon designs overall.
I have a feeling we'll be syphoning off Zeon designs that Artesia helps to leak.
That and we aren't going to have any gundams beyond the ones we capture/already own.

Well I hit another bit of luck.

Not only did I find a Dreissen but the arms already fit the shoulder peg on the Gouf. I'll need to adjust a few things, but it's shockingly good for just smashing a few kits together so far.

The head is going to be really hard to figure out, but at least the rest will be easy.

>>23446580
Can you reuse zaku spikes for the shoulders?

>>23446583
Probably, I was going to model it more off of gouf heavy arms', but looking closer, I can probably chop these off and place them a bit better.
It kind of looks like just two big spikes on the shoulders in the image, but that may be the jank GG perspective. I'll be playing around with it.

Seeing how invested people get in these things is really inspiring. Makes me want to try something of an interactive narrative myself, but I've never GM'd anything and don't know enough Gundam minutia to make it as good as Copy and the others do.

Crazy that these guys have been at it for so long, and made so many meme-tastic character roles. This Char is definitely going on the list.

>>23447456
Baby steps, plan out a small campaign first, and let it grow organically. Make sure you don't give choices that you can't or won't accept writing unless you're going to end the route there (example: letting players make a human centipede).

>>23447456
Pretty much what >>23447636 said. Focus on simple stuff to start, don't go crazy overthinking things, and just let the plot write itself.

There is of course the extra aspect of being able to play the game, which I can't offer a ton on. That shit can be hard and I haven't solved it well enough to do any sort of run (the farthest I ever got was a zeon run that went into the zeta era, and I got bogged down)
As for the modding bit, that'll be made less of an issue as time goes on. Copy X plans on releasing a guide on how to mod the game like he does at some point in the future. But for now I guess just keep things simple, see if you can mod out pilots when you roll them "dying" in a battle since that isn't a normal feature of the game and keep things simple. The story is always gonna be more important than the game you're playing, as we're seeing it through a lens you create.

>>23445947 (OP)

What mystery box’s are you all waiting to be opened? Personally curious to see if Amates dad is actually dead and what went down for Jerid to think he killed Amate. (Feels kind of fucked he took credit for Amate being killed and went on to rape her mom while acting like he was doing her a favor. That and Amate being turned into a child mentally)

>>23446103
It'll certainly lean more towards Titans with mostly monoeyes and an occasional Gundam. Which I'm fine with. I've always liked the idea of Titans suits ending up back in Zeon. If we kick out these protectorate fucks, I hope we get to hold on to and develop those evil faced Gundams like the MK V, Quin Mantha, and fuck it, throw in the Zetas too. I feel those are distinctly Zeonic.

I honestly thought the games would be a bit mroe like these story threads but it's still fun

>>23451022
Yeah it's way more structured.
First time I ever played GG I was caught off guard by the lack of any deaths except via events. Since I assumed Copy's dice rolls were actually a part of the game.

Not sure if it's the right place to ask but when it comes to playing gihren's greed is there a real strategy once you start losing steam?
I've had a few games where things are going great, but I just start lacking units to do harder pushes and things start to turn. Is there any ways to stall the AI while trying to rebuild or will they just infinitely build forever?

>>23453917
you can place some trash mobs in the "major areas" to delay them building units

>>23453917
A period of downtime where you upgrade an existing army is fine, typically the enemy AI has a number of troops number that they will hover around and focus on tech instead of massing harder based on the number of territories they have and how many troops you've got stationed on their boarder.
If you want them to bleed troops keep your boarders with light crews with nearby death balls to swoop in and destroy any counter offensives they do since the AI likes to only send enough troops to barely win instead of death balls.

>>23453940
Definitely felt like I was bleeding funds which made that pretty hard to gather up the forces for

>>23453955
Well shit that would've been very good to know earlier on. I'll try reverting some saves and see if that helps but I'll keep that in mind for future runs too

>>23446580
I'll be perfectly honest, I have NO idea how to scratchbuild a head.
Took me ages just to get the shape of the base of the head down (blame that on being unable to eyeball things for the life of me),and I'm not even entirely sure how to proceed from here. Otherwise I'm torn on following the shape of the Jamru Fin's head exactly or go for something just inspired by it to make it look more distinct (and give me a break from being exact).

Either way, I may need some guidance here.

>>23454275
I'd say go for Copy's inspiration instead of the specific sprite get a Turn X head and remove the antenna and use that.

Side note anyone building a bingo board for part 2 yet?

>>23454287
Valid, but there's the larger issue with that of having no current way to get a Turn X head since that MG is near unobtainable rn and won't be printed for at least a few more months.
Regardless, I think I may have bitten off more than I can chew here, I'm hoping it's not the case, but I am kind of lost on how to go on for the moment.

>>23454300
Try a Gaplant head. Gaplants are great.

>>23454300
>>23454322
The Dijeh could also potentially work.

>>23454322
>>23454345
Those are both decent ideas, but I don't think either have the right feel to it. And if I'm honest, I don't think the Jamru Fin does either. Maybe it's just how I see it but the way I perceive the head isn't really like a turn x either, it's sort of marasai-ish with it having a bit of a helmet and the monoeye beneath it. Not sure if that is more achievable with another suit or trying a more focused scratchbuilding process

>pic related

>>23454383
That's the Dreissen, Ramba Ral has got his Doms. Look for a Dom style head.

>>23454456
Tried out the head as suggested and it's very... okay. It would need to have the top eye rail chopped off but it isn't that far off. However the rest of the head feels like the rest of the head would still require a LOT of fabricating stuff from scratch. So not sure this get's me much closer.

I'm gonna sleep on this and see if anything else comes to me, at minimum I have learned a little more about what does and doesn't work.

>>23454529
A Boba Fett helmet with a monoeye would be closer, but I'm not sure how to get that result.

>>23454529
After sleeping on everything I have come to a realization.

I'm really stupid.

For the whole process of cutting out those plastic sheets I was using a cork backed metal ruler to help guide things. Which was a pain in the ass since it was never flush with the plastic, so I'm grabbing a shorter, non cork backed one soon.
On top of that, I'd been cutting them out with an xacto knife on said lines with no guide tape or anything, which isn't ideal and lead to a lot of clean up. So I may try to use one of my scriber and some guide tape to make this easier.
That and I think I somehow fucked up sanding it flush? The file is used ended up rounding the shape more than I wished since it had a bit of flex to it, so I'll do my best to use the flat sandpaper holder thing I grabbed awhile back.

>TL;DR
I made a lot of minor mistakes that added up to make the whole process slow and difficult.

>>23454529
A bit left field but maybe bawoo head with the top fin removed? Its got a bit of that depth to it

>>23454529
I think the head in the OP image is Act Zaku's with the pipes removed

>>23456598
No, they said it was a jamru fin

https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/23420857/#23431538

I wonder what will happen to Gates. It would be ironically if all the fuckery that the researchers did to his skull made him into a fully functional member of society and instead, it's Nyaan that's gone off the rails.

>>23445947 (OP)
Guys, what about those portraits for a fattened Haman/Kycillia/M'Quve?

>>23460215
i know your joking but you could just take one of the many fat haman's from deviant art and insert that in there.

You ever think that maybe the human race has run its course? Like maybe we should go extinct.

>>23460413
You can always start with yourself

>>23460413
bigger cushion for the pushin' is merely logical

>>23445947 (OP)
Alright, I'm out of the loop. Is Copy still doing random stories or is he back on the larger narrative with original characters like Nettri and Max Law?

>>23461295
Still on hold for those, for now it's a side story so to speak.
One of the better ones in a while if I'm honest.

>>23461295
iirc he said that the [Bright] run became too unstable thanks to the modifications made, so if he's ever gonna finish it, it'll probably be more of an outline for what would've happened.
We're back on smaller things now with this Ral run (featuring GQuuuuuuX)

>>23461329
considering what went wrong with Amuro drowning to death in a submarine I can imagine how wrong the Bright run would've gone.

>>23461334
Yeah, something like that happening in the years long Bright run would have been apocalyptic, I think.

>>23461334
How many times has Amuro "died" in the Bright run?

>>23445947 (OP)

Been swamped with work lately, so there may be a further delay. Having said that, development on the Gorgs weapons has been mostly done.

>>23461438
I see things are staying close ranged then. Not too surprising for Ral's fighting style, but that does mean he'll be deep in the action most of the time if he uses it.

>>23461438

The Gorg's design has allowed it be unimpeded by Earth's gravity, no matter the environment. Its specialized armor frame also allows it to utilize its "Heat Hydra" weapon to aid in atmospheric reentry if needed. While an I-Field was far beyond the possibility of installing onto a Mobile Suit of its size, engineers have developed a special beam dispersal system on its arms to block incoming beam weapons, though this will also impede its own beam gattling guns equipped to its arms.

>>23461561
>proto beam shield
>operates in all environments
>reentry capable
This thing better not job or I'm gonna be pissed for zeon to have put 10 percent of their GDP into a lemon. That or it better get a MP version.

>>23461608
Actually an MP version could be a good nemo equivalent for Ral's faction. In the sense that it's clearly a monoeye but it isn't part of zeon, and it definitely isn't the feddies.

>>23461334
that was the funniest thing to happen in these runs in a while, amuro with his broken op fuck you mech just jobbing for no reason

>>23461438
>>23461561
Good to see Zeon have their own special tech projects without Anaheim having sucked them all up to do the same shit. Like damn, we're well on our way to ending this run on some Crossbone-tier shit at this rate

>>23462296
If we don't nuke ourselves back to the stone age at least

>>23461561

The weapons for the Nyaanmare. Subject to change, but these will be the general weapons it starts out with for the Madnug Nyaanmare.

>>23463443

The Madnug Nyaanmare is not only equipped with a miniaturized Psychommu system to synchronize its systems to Nyaan's abilities, but still retains the [System A.R] as well, drastically bolstering the Mobile Suits combat abilities as it receives damage. The horns atop the Madnug's head are designed to operate lethally and non-lethally, with a specialized function being installed for them to parasitically latch onto an opposing Mobile Suit to generate dangerous levels of electrical pulses to incapacitate enemy pilots. [Aces shot down by Nyaan will have a chance of being captured and forcefully experimented on]
Given the retrofitted nature of the Mobile Suit, it is not fully acclimated to functioning in all environments. Engineers are still attempting to privately upgrade the Mobile Suit to function more effectively.

That thing is going to tear us to shreds.

How did my Etsy order come out anons?

>>23463755
>it is not fully acclimated to functioning in all environments
So what you're saying is we can drown the final boss again

>>23464231
Be honest how much did you spend?

>>23464343
That's wrong.
>>23463755
MOV - WT (greyed out)
That means it can move underwater at substantially slower rates.

However, for the Gorg:
>>23461561
MOV - no WT
That mean it cannot move underwater. Ral is drowning, not Nyaan. Do not transport the Gorg over water from anything that has less HP then the Endra.

>>23465516
"what kind of mobile suit creator would make their ultimate ms unable to survive underwater?"
hardcut to scirocco screaming

>>23465539
I don't know if its possible to do it but I'm going to lose my shit if all of Scirocco's mobile suits this run have water movement taped onto them.

>>23465756
I have been rooting for Amuro to drown again since his appearance in this run, just run out of his rape cave and accidentally fall into the sea.

>>23468237
>copy x steals amuros soul and turns him into a rabid gooner out of revenge for him ruining the last run

i dont blame him desu

Any of you guys have advice for someone just getting into Gihren's Greed?

>>23469473
Always research every turn cheaper options are more efficient, so it is better to do 500, 500 than 1000, 0.
Don't Start with the EFF, the EFF campaign has a brutal start and requires playstyles completely independent of normal play.
Taking battles with minimal losses is more important than winning fast, the AI will produce way more unit than you can so taking battles where you don't lose anything is very important.
Always use your aces, make sure they're always piloting something Aces are a mechanic you can just miss if you're just starting up don't do that, they're a huge force multiplier and ace suits can do stupid things with good pilots in them.
The Titans, and Zeon Campaign are great starting points while the AEUG campaign starts in a spot that serves as a major trial by fire for the combat mechanics all 3 are good campaigns to start with.

>>23470140
Wait, so if im not rushing tech, I should always do the cheapest research option? Kind of wild

>>23470248
Yep, the cheapest option gets you the most value for the money you put it. Due to that I suggest making sure to put investing in research and spying as a first things you do in a turn to avoid spending that money elsewhere by accident.
Always invest at least minimum research every turn, spending more is fine but never spend zero.

>>23470345
Wait but wouldn't doing the minimum every time put me way behind the AI on all but the easiest difficulties?

>>23470458
Not really the AI if you're pressuring them can't/won't invest in all 3 tech types every turn and they also won't do it efficiently spending big on one type of tech while ignoring another.
So just spending min on all 3 tech types every turn will put you ahead of the AI.

>>23470484
What about upgrading vs just building new? Should I be upgrading whatever I can though the game? Like at the start you can get a ton of zaku 1s into zaku 2 and their variations. Is it worth doing that and pushing for even more upgrading?

>>23470851
Depends on the model but in most cases yes?

>>23470851
Depends on the model especially as Zeon. Zeon has a very fucked dev tree full of dead-end mobile suits and unnecessary upgrades. Most suits have local maximums that you just upgrade into and settle into until you get a new better option in the tech tree.
Specific Zeon Tech advice
Keep Zaku 1s for space combat as Zeon and use them to push the EFF back to Luna 2 and stick them on guard duty only upgrading them to Fs and maybe giving them the beam platforms if the EFF launches a counter offensive, on earth just stick with Zaku 2 Ground Types until you get Doms, outfit said Zaku 2s with Magella Attack Cannon and Dodai. Keep your Zakus that like that further upgrades are a money sink and usually less effective. After getting Doms just cruise on them. Dom Cannons are absurd to the point of being able to duke it out with early Gryps suits even and Rick Doms/Rick Dom 2s are great as well being similarly effective but needing to get into melee to fight making them less opressive.
Goufs kind of suck and are really just used for early ace suits and even then just use Dozle Custom Zakus they are more effective as an of fuck it's a Gundam/Gundive unit. Garma Custom Zaku's are the best early Zeon Ace suit for general use due to its perfect terrain stats so they can actually fight the enemies instead of slowly waddling through mountains.
Everything else is really to flavor or taste for the Land and Space battle.

>>23470908
Wait you make it sound like you can mass produce multiple of the same ace suit. How does one go about that and is there any others I should look out for?

>>23470961
So ace adapted suits don't have a limit on the number you're allowed to have they just have the condition of X pilot must be piloting Y mech then you can pay to turn it into their special ace custom. So, you can say make 3 Zaku 2 Commanders put Dozle in one turn it into a Dozle Custom, put him in the next turn it into a Custom and then turn the 3rd one into a Custom, the suit doesn't need Dozle to stay in it for it to be a Dozle Custom. The same is true for other ace suits so often times you can get a bigger power spike by having certain aces go around and retrofit a handful of suits into their specific custom for the rest of your army to use, the Dozle and Garma Zaku are the 2 big ones in the early game.
For others to look out for the Char's Rick Dom is ridiculous it has 45 Mobility and 1-2 Range, and the Zaku Desert Type (Blue Team Custom) for being a solid ace suit that can ride on a Dodai, likewise with their Gelgoog being the only Ace Gelgoog that can ride a flight craft. After the one-year war Zeon Custom variants fall off a cliff for obvious reason.

>>23470981
Im starting to wonder if youre just shilling for BIG DOM/Zimmad or something but I assume they just have good stats for what they're worth, and units that can shoot across tiles in general are pretty damn good, so I get it.

>>23471025
Feel free to try other shit YMMV and all that, I just see the Gouf as an awkward middle step that isn't around long enough to bother investing in beyond limit runs for purely aces and the Gyan/Gelgoog as coming too late in my runs to really matter if I even have their tech unlocked before the Feds are squashed. They're really more of a civil war scenario set of suits for when you're playing as Garma's Zeon or as Kycilia's Zeon.
For event bullshit.
EXAM suits are really cool but to even get them you need to throw a Newtype into the Newtype thresh.
The IGLOO tech is mostly bad outside of the Ze'gok which is clunky but extremely powerful.
The Apsalus is a money hole for a shittier Ze'gok, that requires you to sacrifice Norris for it.
The Unified Complete Equipment Plan and Pezun Project are great and give new useful options.
Juagg's the only notable Jaburo Invasion MS and is great at punishing Gryps era fliers by shooting them from underwater where they can't fight back, mass it if you want to do the cheeky Jaburo back cap.

>>23471051
>Juaggu is viable
Hi yes, I now need to do a massed Juaggu run.

>>23470248
Early game its fine to dump full into tech when you've got lots of money and its cheap, but as it gets more costly use low/middle spending to get to the edge of the tech level and then do high spending to get the most out of it going into the next tech level.

>>23471025
He's not covering a lot of trash zeon ms and the gelgoog does have some pretty decent use cases (it rules the first five turns of space for tem ray's army) but it takes a while to get while not being much better than other late OYW MS. Its tech tree also kinda just ends after you get its parade of aces, while the zaku keeps on going to the hizack.
In general though, you want to have a mixed arms force with range 1 tanks, 2-4 range units, carriers and minovisky spreaders, and some aces to kill enemy aces/difficult stuff

Or if you're really struggling to win, just get a unit with a MAP attack such as the big zam, sit it on a control node and fire the MAP attack as much as possible. The big zam is usable until you either have opponents with mass NT weapons or late gryps/neo zeon war era in general.

Or just turn evil and spam nukes assuming you aren't playing in the OYW and have event locks on nukes, the nuke units are effective until CCA honestly and superweapons can be utilized to wipe enemy armies

>>23471084
Ah, so what about post OYW zeon. What tends to be the strategy then?
The one time I made it to there it seemed like act zakus were pretty decent ace units and Hizacks were just sort of okay. Not sure if I quite get it.

>>23471921
Hizack Customs until the Axis tech tree kicks in, with Doms of some form to blot out the sun for any anti-beam suits you encounter. Zeon's early post one year war tech tree is very light on new things for you so spamming Hizacks is really the only option since its a decent suit with a highly accurate gun so it's always effective in large enough numbers since their main guns have 90 base accuracy.

Post OYW in general sucks for OYW factions less so for Zeon since Zeon has its tech spaced a bit better, but the EFF literally has to go from fighting with GM Powereds the Stardust Memory Grunt to using Xekus the post Gryps conflict mech. Really both factions just need to leverage their huge resource lead you have from being 100+ turns into a campaign already.

>>23472029
Ah alright, beyond hizack spam any other units of note? Like shit I should dump aces and newtypes into do clear things out while the rest hold the line?

>>23460405
I'm not joking, we need portaits for those three after gaining a lot of weight from Kycilia's pampering and baked treats.

>this run's Qubeley is FATTER to accommodate a bigger Haman. It almost looks like a white Geymalk, the image of a thick mother hen compared to the original cross between a turkey and a butterfly

Ideas?

While we're at it, any thoughts about a GGen styled campaign mod? The last GGen that made UC and AU factions slam against each other covered up to CE. Come to think of it, it would be nice to have Wing/IBO/CE factions fill out the AU bits but remove Moonrace.
We can also have TBverse Anaheim as its own faction since they become the Titans in their timeline with a fleet of ultrasized Big Zam battleships
I know some folks are just salivating to see Treize work his political magic on the Seven Stars houses.

Alternatively:
UC-AU Jupiter sphere campaign? Various Zeon/Titans factions tangling with IBO's yakuzas and pirates and Jupiter's knockoff North Korea?

>>23471921
>>23472179
Hizacks are cost effective when you swap to their beam rifle instead of the machine gun. Hizack Customs are great midrange units. Act Zakus are nice limited production earth units but lose potency pretty quickly.
Ace-wise NTs go into OYW NT machines like the elmeth or zeong, non NTs go into johnny ridden's gelgoog or high spec doms, or just whatever ace use machine's you've got left over. If you win the OYW fast enough you can get some cool bonus machines, but chances are you won't get them all. Like the other guy says the absurd amount of resources you get in the transition from the OYW to post war should be what really saves you.

Zeon fights titans + aueg then axis, then char. Main issue is maintaining momentum until you can reliably kill gaza d and stronger units, or if you fuck up fighting the titans barzams
EFF fights delaz fleet, then axis, then either aueg or titans, then char
If you are really fucked you can stall against delaz, but everything after axis is a victory lap


In general tho on the ground Z'Gok-E's and Dom Cannons can last you a long ass time, while in space Hizacks and Gelgoogs can cope against Gaza C's/Nemos/Other Hizacks but you'll need to use your numbers advantage while it exists to push out enemies

>>23473386
Bonus note, easy victory plan for tem ray's army

all space factories make full stacks of gelgoogs with maybe a couple 2 range units mixed in

jaburo makes dom cannons + z'gok commanders, beijing makes just z'gok commanders

mass units in space to immediately take a bao qu, side 3, earth orbit, other sides south of earth
mass units on earth to invade north america and hawaii

on the second turn, turn all z'gok commanders into z'gok-e's and refill troops
keep on producing from all nodes same as last turn
z'gok-e's in jaburo take atlantic, encroach on africa, belfast, new york
z'gok-e swarm in the pacific takes hawaii with starting unit help, then moves to help invade california, then australia
space forces sweep from side 3 to sides by axis
forces south of earth march on luna ii, aide taking earth orbit

from there just keep on snowballing; if I can do this in less than ten turns, and the auto battle can do it, so can you

>>23473386
I like the Gasshia. It's so nice to mix them in with the Hizack Custom and have them go to town on a Psycho Gundam.

Alright been messing around more with GG in a new Zeon campaign. I was retarded af at the start (got bogged down in New Yark for like 10 turns due to the enemy posting a gundam in the sea tile base and just staying there until I could gun it down from the air) but I feel like things are starting to swing my way. With the only exception being in how fast the feddies are already catching up. I've only JUST started to research my Doms around turn 30 or so and they're already tossing GMs and their variants at me. Am I stupid for letting this get this far, or is this pretty standard for playing on Normal difficulty?

also unrelated, but besides Char, are there any other ace suits worth grabbing for the Dom?

>>23476985
You can win by turn 30, and honestly that's pretty slow for enemy tech progression.
If I recall tho some of the enemy tech in the OYW is influenced by when you trigger the side 7 events; how'd you not take new york before they had gundams? That's like the second/third base you take.

>>23477017
Not him but the Gundive which he might have confused for a Gundam can be made by the Feddies even if the Side 7 event hasn't fired yet.
>>23476985
The Feddies can get early GM types up and running pretty fast and yes they are noticeably better than your equivalents you should be fine once you get Dom production up and running for fighting them off, Dom Cannons are so absurd they'll run over anything the EFF throws at you grunt wise on the ground, while in space the Rick Doms are perfectly sufficient vs EFF troops especially when back up by a full Squad or 2 of Aces in Rick Dom Char Customs.
As for other Dom versions no both the Black Tri Star Dom and Ramba Ral's Dom compare poorly to other ace suit options you have like the fearsome Zock or Efreet

>>23477017
Mainly being overly cautious and rusty with the game.

I diverted most of my landing to America which was a slight mistake as it took a few extra turns to take Odessa (the Feds had a submarine so I had to cap the whole map) then the invasion forces for America made a b-line for cali since it was at the point where they could start building units. Shit got bogged down due to all the fighter bombers they sent out, so I had to huddle down on a few points. After all that shit, I tried to take New Yark but had to huddle down again on the first point after the Feds blotted out the sun with air units. Then on the turn before I took out the last land unit, they started sending in shit from the Atlantic tiles and it became a near endless cycle of random shit to technically hold the point.

>>23477245
>Not him but the Gundive which he might have confused for a Gundam
Nope, it was a proto gundam and then the real thing. Just standing in the ocean doing nothing but wasting time. Probably the ones they got from researching the techs.

>>23478046
>Just standing in the ocean doing nothing but wasting time
That's optimal behavior when you don't have any real water MS, the gundam is actually the best water unit the EFF has until they can swarm you with fisheye balls.

This may be a dumb question, but how heavy is too heavy when it comes to ace suits/single unit suits in gihren's greed?
They seem to tank damage well and can fall back to repair pretty well on top of just being generally powerful. Why should I not give all my aces one?

>>23479402
Firstly -
END: 4
RLX: 16

Why would you use a tank type MS for a character with these sorts of stats?

Secondly:
Tank type MS are also slow and vulnerable to melee type aces. For example, I would not bet on S-rank Glemy in a Quin Mantha to survive very long after killing Sirrocco in the O.

>>23479402
Yeah pretty much any ace that isn't garbage wants an ace suit once someone gets above like 5 for a stat average they'll make decent use of one, really its always more of a question of who gets low quality ace suits and who gets high quality ace suits.

>>23479557
>more of a question of who gets low quality ace suits and who gets high quality ace suits.
What sort of metric would you use to figure that out?
Beyond just the percentage their stats apply I mean.

>>23479681
What is the role and terrain you need them in?

>>23479681
How many aces you actually have and what they'll be doing.
Something you should keep in mind is that aces sitting on their ass in a base are just a waste of a slot; they should always be on the offensives, rescuing a territory under attack, etc unless their fatigue is stupidly high.
Hell, if you've got enough spare ace MS you could keep spares in their carrier for them to swap in to when their current MS is low on hp.

But really, the sheer number also matters; if you play as a faction with a ton of aces (zeon) then you'll run out of ace MS and need to put people in whatever you can.

Regardless, just try and work to the stats the ace has. People with high range get in an MS with a good ranged weapon, etc.

Also, pay attention to the leadership and charisma stats of units. Charisma affects units in their stack, leadership affects units in their leadership range; higher ranked characters override the bonus of lower ranked ones, so don't ever willingly put someone like gopp near other aces.

>>23479875
I like putting Gopp in the battleship I have Revil in personally, Revil outranks him so you get Revil's bonuses while Gopp gets to use his high endurance for something its actually useful for.
But yeah the advice here is solid aces go in ace suits that suit the ace and every ace wants one if you can weaker aces just don't get your super expensive prototypes which doesn't matter much for Zeon in the one year war where even your super suits are relatively cheap its really more of a consideration for Gryps era onwards where the top end of ace suits cost more than most battleships while the more economic ones don't.

>>23480050
Just to add to that even like the real bottom of the barrel aces are typically not the worst thing ever when they actually have XP and aren't languishing in the lowest XP ranks. Katz the butt of jokes he often is in GG runs actually turns out pretty decent while trained and the same is true for most aces who start with low single digit totals.

>>23480068
Unless you're Simus, who is truly bottom-tier. Single digits at S, only good for MP units and Big Zam firing correction.

I have finally managed to get a little bit of time to get the ball moving on the next part of the campaign getting developed, so it should hopefully be ready by the end of next week. Until then, enjoy the model for the post interlude version of Machu.

>>23484665
Yup, definitely has more autism (or less since her mind and newtype abilities got shot I guess).
Here's hoping Deux can keep her in check.

>>23484665
Could you post the portaits for Haman/Kycillia/M'quve so we can edit them for the timeskip?
>>23485078
Plausibly, I think Machu and Deux would be working for Karaba or Luio. What's up with this Machu wearing glasses anyway?

>>23485455
>What's up with this Machu wearing glasses anyway?
Considering the lack of hair dye, I assume it's to keep her identity more hidden.

>Could you post the portaits for Haman/Kycillia/M'quve so we can edit them for the timeskip?
Oh those files are in the OP. I think you need to extract them in gimp or something to get the all the color channels and merge them together, but it's just editing a PNG after that.

>>23484665
holy fuck what an upgrade, i need to protect her smile so bad bros...

>>23485514
You just like the combination of short hair and glasses, like some kind of librarian or class president.

>>23485487
All the folders are empty at 0 bytes.

>>23485519
guilty as charged

>>23485525
Oh shit you're right what the fuck.

I downloaded both of them when they still existed ages ago, so for now I'll just post the ones for the characters you wanted in the thread in order plus the notes on how to get them into a workable format.

>Character profiles will not show up normally and require a method to allow them to be edited. I currently only know how to make these edits in GIMP, so here is the method I use to make the models visible-

>Step 1: Open image in GIMP
>Step 2: Go to [Colors] and select [Components]
>Step 3: Choose [Decompose]
>Step 4: Go back to [Components] on new image and select [Compose]
>Step 5: Image will now be visible and ready for editing.

>>23485613
and last one. Sorry about that. I didn't realize all of that shit was missing now.
Thank god I had this shit saved

>>23484665

>The brain damage gave her an objective upgrade

So this is the power of retardation…

>>23485525

Yeah, just realized that MEGA deleted everything from that burner account. I lost the original files when my condo got flooded, so I only have an older, more disorganized version left to use. I'll upload that for /m/ to use until I can make some time to make a fully complete version one day.

>>23487140
Do you want me to toss the ones I have on a google drive thing to see if they're any more modern?

>>23487159

If you could do that it would be great. I could then just upload it to MEGA again and will keep more tabs on it.

>>23487176
https://drive.google
.com/file/d/1_Y8rRfWiwL60P_QR0sgI156BPog4IlvH/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google
.com/file/d/1JNIjhhlnbbpxIUd6nBcseyZuZStDDzn2/view?usp=sharing

They're still kinda old (just over a year ago), but hopefully this will help speed things up at least.

>>23487290

Unfortunately it looks like a lot of the content from the original version is not present in either google drive link. Even so, I appreciate you posting a clone of the original materials.

>>23484665
>Got lobotomized by the Deep Diver
>Has a terminal case of newtype autism
>Dad is fucking dead (presumably)
>Got MomNTR'd HARD by Jerid
>Is a wanted terrorist, every single faction except Zeon wants her dead
>Only true friend in the entire world is Du-chan
>Didn't even get the Tidetown t-shirt with Du-chan
Give it to me straight, bros, is there any hope for our retarded tomato in Part 2?

>>23491132
Beltorchika took her in so I'd say there's hope that she'll be alright

An update for a mechanic for this campaign [with a revised version of being planned for another work down the line if we get there].

[Purification]

While on the battlefield and within 10 spaces of enemy ace pilots, "Machu" will cancel the death roll for enemy pilots. If an enemy ace is shot down while "Machu" is within this range though, she can spend "Purification points" to touch the enemy aces soul to reach an understanding. Depending on the level of hatred, zeal and/or fanaticism, it will require more purification points to reach this understanding.

[RULES]

1."Machu" will spawn with 5 purification points. Every 10 turns in game, she will gain a new purification point to use. She can have 10 maximum. Additional purification points can be gained from ingame events.

At 10/10 purity, every turn a random roll will occur to determine if "Machu" will return to being Amate. Should this occur, she will respawn as a "Amate" with new stats. Purity mechanic will cease to function should this occur, but Amate will be restored to her original self prior to the Dakar incident.

2.Purity points can be lost should an allied ace be killed in battle while she is within 10 spaces of them. Certain aces have far more severe purity point loss damage should they be killed.

>Life partner-Deux: -5 purity points upon death
>Near sisterly-Beltorchika: -4 purity points upon death
>Dear friend-Reccoa (if recruited) -3 purity points upon death

"Machu" will lose a purity point every time she enters into a battle with Casval or Nyaan. Any event that actively hurts her emotionally can also remove a purity point.

3. Should "Machu" reach 0/10 Purity points, she will initiate a coin flip to determine if she will physically die from the stress of the universe around her. If the coin flip succeeds, she will restore to 1/10 points. If it fails, she will die.

>>23491132
They can always get Tidetown t-shirts through eBay.

>>23491383
>"Machu" will lose a purity point every time she enters into a battle with Casval or Nyaan.
Stay away from the Creeps if possible, got it.
>Any event that actively hurts her emotionally can also remove a purity point.
Behead those that insult Machu.

>>23491383
>Become clinically retarded and autistic
>Somehow become even more charismatic than before
We love retarded girls here.

>>23491383

Why do I get the terrible feeling /m/ is going to keep her retarded to abuse this new function?

>We get lawful good Bask through this system
Might be worth it for that alone.

>>23491705
>recruit everyone
>war ends, Machu eventually wakes up as Amate
>has no memory of uniting the world with psychic friend beams

>>23491383
>"Machu" will lose a purity point every time she enters a battle with Casval or Nyaan.
Does that mean a battle against, alongside, or both? Dismantling the villains with mandatory friendship would be a laugh but not if we wind up taking a hit every outing afterwards.

>>23492059
>Dismantling the villains with mandatory friendship would be a laugh but not if we wind up taking a hit every outing afterwards.
I bet money it's gonna be near impossible to purify Nyan or Char. Likely it'll eat up all the points and fry Machu even from the attempt. But, doing that for Titans pilots could still be a decent idea. Especially ones that have the potential for good/ones in important positions that could be useful if they're aware of their own past evils.

>>23492946
Let's see.
Jerid, to clear our name.
Jamaican, so that he stops being useless.
Bask, for the funny. Probably would cost too much and kill us.
Bright, maybe.
Cyber Newtypes, if the cost doesn't kill us. Machu seems optimized to utterly destroy Psychos in melee range.
Gates, if he turns into the Xavier equivalent because he's sane.
The Asshimar pilot at Dakar.
Shiiko? Maybe after a Machu battle with Char, because she needs to know he's with the Titans first.

>>23493004
Purifying Bright is a must, he's still a good man that is just too blackpilled at the moment. Cybers (mainly Rosamia and Four) are also a good option and it'd even be thematically consistent with how Machu never gave up on saving Du-chan. Shiiko is a big maybe, but I feel it'll be more trouble than it's worth. I'm not risking Machu's life for Cucksval and Nyaan, both are kill on sight to me. The rest are open to debate.

>>23491383
Interesting. Copy, I have two queries.
First, the way this is worded currently makes it sound like it's literally impossible for enemy ace pilots to die within Machu's range even if we have no intention of purifying them. Shouldn't it be that their death roll is merely "postponed" to after the decision to not purify? And if we chose yes, then they are saved. That makes more sense to me, otherwise Machu becomes an actual detriment in situations where we want to kill the enemy aces.
Second question. Machu's death chance is specified as a coin flip. But the chance to recover "Amate" is not clear. Is it also a coin flip? Nat 20? Somewhere inbetween?
Very cool mechanic in any case
Obviously, the moral thing to do is not use purify at all. But I expect one or two cases too good to pass up will present themselves. I would say we should only recruit those that give us good value. Forget about idiots like Jamaican or Bask unless you are purely doing it for laughs. We want people like Jerid, Emma, and Reccoa who are at least kind of competent, but not viciously ideological. Jerid hasn't gone through his arc of becoming an embittered husk yet after all, and he is legitimately a good pilot when not fighting anyone named Kamille.
Shiiko is a possibility too?
Cybers are probably going to be too expensive. We'll see. Someone like Sarah is quite stable and fine, Zero or Rosamia would be harder.
I am guessing both Casval and Nyaan would cost a full 10 points each. 8 at the very least.
As a general rule we should try to never dip below 6 if we can help it. At 6 points, we can survive the worst single thing that can happen (Deux dying). If that is followed up immediately by an event or a fight with Nyaan that drops us a point, it just wasn't meant to be.
I'm guessing if Machu is at 1 point and then Deux dies, she has to win five coinflips in a row to survive that. We cannot go below 6 unless we have a great opportunity imo. Finally, get Amate back before the end.

>>23491383
When purifying a character such as a commander, it won't take any of their stats in exhange, right?

>>23493063
>Forget about idiots like Jamaican
I'm betting he costs 1 point. If it's the end of battle and we have points to spend, might as well use it because it'll reser to 5 next engagement. I'm not going to say do it if we think we're going on protracted battles.

Emma has the eyepatch, she's going Zabine.

>>23491383
Question for the purification mechanic are the turns and spawning are those over world turns or battle turns? Like on turn 1 on the campaign does she have 5 purification points and then on turn 11 she has 6 or is it at the start of the battle she has 5 points and then if the battle goes on for 2 full overworld turns/10 in battle turns she now has 6?

>>23491383
These stats are mediocre, what suit is she going to start in, assuming shes part of Ral's faction, or is that a spoiler? I don't trust her to be able to fend off someone she can't care bear love beam without someone who can shield her anyways.

>>23493611
19 Reflex at B is not mediocre, and has room to grow. Amuro and Kamille has 20 Reflex at S. Machu is basically the dodgetank melee. Get her the Zeta, the O or Quebley and aces will be cleaved to death. You don't send her at MP garbage, you send her at aces.

>>23493710
but she's S rank, she isn't leveling up.

>>23493060
I like the idea of purifying cybers, Casval and nyaan were mostly meming but it would be funny to forcibly tape over all of Chars scheming with happy thoughts beamed from a brain damaged Velma.

>>23493730
Oh. Nevermind, image was fuzzy. The point remains that she's a very effective dodgetank that can run over aces in the right matchup.

>>23493063

To your first question; it is potentially detrimental to have her in battle at all given how she mentally operates now. If you want to actually have an enemy ace killed by the normal Endurance mechanic, she will need to be far enough away that she mentally can not stop her allies from finishing off enemy aces. Second, it will be done by a d100 roll. If the roll hits [10-20-30-40-50-60-70-80-90-100], she will return to being Amate. This will occur every turn that she is at 10/10 purity.

>>23493093
Machu's stats will only change if she is severely injured or by events. Purification will not affect her or the purified's stats.

>>23493290
Strategic phase, not tactical phase. For example.

Turn 1: 5/10 points.
Turn 11: +1 point added passively. 6/10 points.

>>23493611
It will need to be chosen for her. Beltorchika is personally against having her anywhere near combat at all, but its hard to stop Machu from acting on her own when Deux's is actively allowed to go out and pilot. Unless she is locked down from doing anything by a decision, she may randomly claim a Mobile Suit to enter the battlefield as a cheerleader.

>>23493949
Not Machu, I mean, for example, Bask, if he is purified and receives a nerf for turning good.>>23493093

>mfw /m/ has a problem trying to recruit everyone
>copy hands us a recruit mechanic at the cost of keeping amate retarded

i see no problems here

>>23493949
50 strategic turns to get to 10/10 is a very long wait. And that's if we don't spend any, lose any in events, or send her to fight Casval/Nyaan.
Make no mistake, /m/en. There is a very long recharge on doing any purification with Machu. Don't expect us to do it more than once in each story arc basically. And even if we only do it once per arc, that probably precludes any chance of recovering Amate before the run ends.
What I'm really trying to reiterate is, do not waste it on anyone you don't think is very important to our run. Don't purify someone just because it seems convenient in the moment or because we need more warm bodies. It's for the most valuable options only.

>>23495746
not to mention that there's a good chance some of the dudes we'd want anyways could join without needing to use this.

Had to cover some transport route for a recent injured coworker, so there may be another delay. Until then, here is the [Ral Factions] starting roster.

>Rambal Ral
>Revil
>Hamon Ral
>Clamp
>Acous
>Cozun
>Topp
>Dell
>Visch
>Akahana
>Doan
>Mulligan
>Beltorchika
>Deux (Now "Du")
>Henken
>Astionage
>Antonio
>Machu

I am gay and all I want is a tastefully thicc Haman and Pierce Brosnan as Paptimus Scirocco.

>>23496277
>Ramba Ral adopted 2 very autistic daughters during the timeskip
Based. Looks like a damn fine starting roster to me.
Take your time Copy, just keep us updated

>>23496277
Henken and Antonio? Perhaps due to Revil's influence, but they are 'odd choices, even more so considering that Revil let Char attack Luna II, which resulted in Blex's death, and Ramba is, according to public opinion, in cahoots with Char. I expect plenty of fistfights with the feds.
I'd have proposed Flanagan Boone, but it seems he's the Boone who died in Side 6.

>>23496277
What are Deux's stats?

>>23496277
Shit, we pulled Revil already? AND Henkin? Not bad

>>23496406
Bask's rampage across North America*

>>23496277
0080s Ral better look sick af, and Revil better get his chance to actually make things right in the world.

>>23496277
Oh, we got Doan, we need to keep Machu the fuck away from Doan. Doan always fucking dies we don't need Machu taking a debuff from Doan being punted.

>>23496678
I'm sad he didn't go full Revil beard, but that also means he has conviction to not alter his face in any way.

>>23496277
More than I expected honestly. This really is an army we have, not just ragtag rebels. We still need to evade battle wherever possible though until the Titans and Axis clash for real.
Revil, Henken, Beltorchika's gang, all fantastic pulls we were not guaranteed to get.

>>23496678
Dude can tango with almost anyone, god damn. About as strong an oldtype as we could hope for. Deux looks quite strong too and obviously is a NT with an extra level to go as well.

>>23493004
I can see Jerid causing a lot of hits to machu's psyche with the whole "I thought I killed you so I went to your house and banged your mom, sorry about your parents' marriage" deal. Bask may be a bit too genocidey to be a feasible recruit if we ever want to get Amate back, as well.

>>23496808
Ok but hear me out, Machu is a close combat monster. Doan can teach her robot Kung Fu.

>>23497815
The issue with that is she's good in melee but not amazing, and unless I remember the the stats wrong, being a newtype enhances range chance to hit but not melee, which she has fuck all.

>>23491666

Could be Newtype magic making her more charming to others. The Deep Diver ghosts could still be lingering around her given how she unshackled them from the murderbot keeping them in a state of endless spite. As for unretarding Amame it really comes down to how she is acting. If it’s just her being like how Karala was in Thunderbolt then it might be better to just keep her in that state of bliss. If it’s actively hellish and she shows signs of hating it then we can actively ignore purification for her sake.

>>23497812
I wonder how Jerid will react if he finds out she is alive. I can’t imagine he would be mad knowing his apprentice did not do Gundam 9/11. On the other hand it is hard to say if Jerid banging Amates mom will register with how she is now.

>>23498231
>deep diver ghosts could still be lingering around
>we have the ability to forcibly recruit enemies at the cost of Machu's purity
What if we go about treating it like [MAGICAL FRIENDSHIP BEAM] and it ends up playing out as [THE SOUL HAS FOUND A NEW HOST, PARASITISING]

>>23497812
Befriend Bask so he uses the Solar Ray or Gryps on Jerid

>>23501060
>Machu's dad shows back up, now bald and wearing goggles