Thread 127426751

The Greatest Human Being To Ever Walk Upon This Earth Edition
https://youtu.be/PEn5RJdj208

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://rentry.org/classicalgen

Previous: >>127411802

best Mahler 6?

>>127426770
Sanderling

>>127426770
Benjamin Zander, Philharmonia Orchestra

>>127426751 (OP)
Wagner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QjodlxRxa8

>>127426770
i like his 6th Symphony

best Dvorak Cello Concerto?

Flying Dutchman: Klemperer
Tannhaüser: Solti
Lohengrin: Schuchter
Tristan: Furtwängler
Meistersinger: Friedrich Schorr excerpts
Nibelungen: Böhm
Parsifal: Knappertsbusch 62

>>127426825
Starker/Dorati/LSO

>>127426832
no one asked no one cares

Best Mahler 8?(Mahler 7 skipped for obvious reasons)

best Wagner Ring Cycle?
Bohm? Solti?

>>127426838
Sir Georg Solti, Chicago Symphony Orchestra

ever since i got my BPD diagnosis Tristan und Isolde has been hitting different

>>127426838
>Mahler 7
Claudo Abbado, Chicago Symphony Orchestra

>>127426838
Kent Nagano

>>127426855
>hitting different
does it feel like getting backshots now

best Bruch Kol Nidrei?

>>127426882
Moshe Goldberg - Yom Kippur Ensemble, Yo-Yo Ma

>>127426899
>Yo-Yo Ma
more like No-No Nah

>>127426932
very funny anon, Ho-Ho Hah

I was scrolling, reading all the awful /classical/posting, then I started smiling at "best Mahler 3?" after the guy asked for Mahler 1 and 2, chuckled at "best Mahler 4?", and lol'd at "best Mahler 5?"
End of my blog.

>>127426825
Schiff/Previn/Vienna

>>127427002
did you miss 6 through 8

Also before anyone asks
Kindertotenlieder: Bernard Haitink, Royal Concertgebow
Rückert-Lieder: Thomas Hampson, Wiener Philharmoniker, Leonard Bernstein
No 9: Abbado, Berliner Philharmoniker
Das Lied Von Der Erde: Brigitte Fassbaender, Berliner Philharmoniker, Carlo Maria Giulini
No 10 (completed version): Riccardo Chailly, Radio-Symphonie-Orchester Berlin

>>127427055
I listen to as many recordings as I need to in order to find the one that speaks for the work the best. You stick to sucking off some shriveled AIDS ridden Italian micromanager’s micropenis.

>>127427074
cool slashfic anon but this isn't the place

>>127427055
yikes

>>127427150
no need to reply twice

>>127427055
give serious recommendations please

>>127427200
no need to reply thrice

>>127426874
the Liebestod makes me AGPee my pants

>>127426770
Currentzis

>>127427239
>AGPee
is that when you sneeze and pee a little

>>127426838
? Mahler 8 is the one you skip, the 7th is fine

>>127427266
they're both great but 8 is one of the top tier Mahler works

>>127427055
stop recommending abbado

>>127427245
>Currentzis
>Current nazis
anon really
>>127427266
>Mahler 8 is the one you skip, also I rape children
anon really

>>127427280
this post is extremely low quality

>>127427280
Currentsisters in shambles

>>127427299
you are extremely low quality

>people who type "Dvorak" instead of "Dvořák"
i will not respond

>>127427313
come on man the second greentext wasn't even a pun it was just random

>>127427332
this is a response

>>127427358
>

>>127427358
>come on man the second greentext wasn't even a pun it was just evidence of the rape I commit against minors off my grooming server
typical abbadofag

Best Mahler 9?

>>127427646
Karajan live

>>127427646
Giulini

petition to section off modern/avant garde classical to its own general.

>>127427646
Levine

https://youtube.com/watch?v=rUqeH62uAts

>>127427728
why do you care what this guy's opinion is? he's a jerk.

>>127427646
Abbado, Berliner Philharmoniker

>>127427764
did he talk shit about your favourite conductor anon

>>127427789
nope, he's just a rude asshole to people in the comments of his videos.

>>127427728
Its too late I'm listening to Karajan live

>>127427796
aw was he mean to you on youtube anon

>>127427820
no, i don't comment on youtube, i actually usually agree with his choices, but i do read the comments sometimes, and he just comes off as an asshole to people who disagree with him.

>>127427839
>I don't make comments, I just read them
you just get worse and worse huh

>>127427844
i will never participate in youtube comment sections.

>>127427866
yeah, you'll just stand to the side watching intently like a proper cuckhold

>>127427875
i just don't have a reason to.

>>127427888
>I just enjoy watching
I know, baby, I know

>>127427900
not really, i'm actually forced to watch his awful content

>>127427900
>>127427908
why are you arguing with yourself, Hurwitz?

>>127427908
>forced
what's the caliber

>>127427539
I don't even like abbado where did you get that from

>>127427646
Barshai

I bet you've never listened to... HIP Chopin!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Yzlb0MIDc&list=OLAK5uy_llF6qkuHF0k1rgw6Exo3Zjc_R_KNGMUFc&index=1

>Ax disarms criticism over the idea of period performance by choosing an Erard piano of 1851, which produces warm, full tone without any restriction on agility, thanks to the light action. Only the clattery quality in the topmost register betrays the age of the instrument, and the transparency of textures is a delight, with the writing for left hand articulated by Ax with phenomenal clarity. Mackerras heightens the drama of these readings by encouraging the OAE to produce the widest range of dynamics, equally defying the idea of period performance as lacking in weight.
Performed on an old, restored piano.

>>127427764
retards see him recommend first when looking up stuff. it takes a while until they realize how superficial his taste really is

>>127428245
How do you know that?

>>127428244
I realized this post is in very similar format to Mahlerkun's posts LOL. I'm not him and I apologize for plagiarising

>>127428218
you're right, abbadofags don't rape children unlike you

>>127428254
I've read his reviews and reasoning for recomending recordings. he'll frequently prefer objectively worse recordings (I've something with less orchestral clarity than the competition) because it's more "emotional" (which is entirely subjective and thus useless to his readers)

>>127428256
>Mahlerkun

>>127428284
can someone else explain to me what this anon is talking about?

>>127428299
he's saying you're a pederast, what's not clicking my man

>>127428289
>I've read his reviews and reasoning
Why

Best Schoenberg Chamber Symphony 1?

>>127428307
the reasoning or source for those claims. if it's a joke I'm not following

>>127428339
You've admitted it yourself

What the hell are you guys even arguing about? Just shut up.
Imagine /classical/meet up, it'd be autism overload

>>127428375
Stop talking to yourself

>>127428351
where

>>127428375
idk some people here ust love shitting up the place with non-sequiturs

>>127428375
>Imagine /classical/meet up
why would I do that

>>127428401
here

>>127426751 (OP)
Janowitz sucks, listen to Pierrot

I like Mahler, I really do, but holy fuck is he overrated

Hindemith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gzw2v5rtoPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHo8igW6qb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXUeUDEWvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAAmPNV_4B4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGsSeAhVMTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92tVdEKd6hg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsSd6P3J_aM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttFjGOfqYgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA8BuCVBOW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW_EfiES8_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGlaCmMmTEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Yx8DCbH-A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgLkNM1NUkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkX9huvKw0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wK7BV0su4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpgYJhpcL8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7c8SFS9Lxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEDpcdx5ppk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS--K3dPHzY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx9itohCcBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6vxqnnEwiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-NZS9DrY4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6p3NQ1_wvc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPgmUji_bBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHo5CMqNEDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9o6UG52FTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoIPU5bY0kU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-pLs_RwP0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDRMkYW7lFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWcXVMheFh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_YrDOH9ECg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-EI9G9l_aY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhyQH8inhH0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGgW0wF96Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y33yE8OBmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-dbA56Dl4s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntj3YQdzRac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgrhL0z6ZEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j1-sy1Q7T4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_Iwqb5NxQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpussBdoS2w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGPIGMeEObA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HRBS1lQy7M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1diq5bem0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoDBxrMrBgw

>>127428503
Same, I like most of his symphonies, but he's just not a great melodist. A good one, sure, but not great. And when the melody is lacking, nothing can help the rest. He did orchestrate Death and the Maiden but he didn't learn from Schubert

>>127428797
Death and Maiden only has good melodies in the 2nd and 4th movement tho

>>127428745
that's a bigass violin

>>127428840
Nonsense.

>>127426832
>Lohengrin: Schuchter
Never heard this one before. Thanks for the rec.

>>127428745
BASED. His recorder trio is my favourite recorder piece.

>>127428797
He learnt to compose Schubertian melodies not as good as Schubert's own melodies.

>>127429010
>my favourite recorder piece
That's a weird preference to have, but it IS a good trio. He also did a great set of solo flute pieces

>>127426751 (OP)
I'm going to perform "In fernem Land" from Lohengrin, in concert two weeks from now; it's only my second time performing Wagner in public. I'm very excited! I've loved translating and studying the score, I think it's perhaps one of his best, and probably his most open for interpretation. Hopefully I can do it justice, and I'd like to discuss my interpretation with other anons, if they're amenable.

>>127429460
you better sing the twice as long uncut version no one ever sings

>>127429697
>uncut
just like Wagner liked 'em

BAB
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>DAILY REMINDER
>DAILY REMINDER

IAA
A
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>average BABIAA listener

We will disarm and murder every 18th-19th century heretic that would put on a Mozart Piano concerto or Chopin Nocturne

We are the Mockers of Mozart
We put a chokehold on classicism

We are the Cuckolders of Chopin
We are the Rapists of Romantics

We are the murderers of Mahler
We strike fear in ever pretentious and Neurotic writer of 1 hour of symphonies

Remember, not all Romantic composers are bad, but all bad composers do tend to be Romantic

Except Classical, every Classical composer is bad.
Below are acceptable Romantics

Liszt(late)
Any of the Russian Five
Grieg
Franck
Tarrega
Alkan
John Field
Chabrier

>>127429756
>classical is bad
>lists the worst romantic composers as acceptable

>Your Romanticism
>My Foot
>Your Classicism
>My Fist

I will crush the Mozart enjoyers, and and liberate the Chopin listeners with Vivaldi, Josquin, and Perotin

My incomplete list of essential opera films. Any recommendations would be appreciated. First, actual movie adaptations:

Hamburg State Opera Der Freischutz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8GFvzxLq4Y
Hamburg State Opera Wozzeck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFFPyU41_0
Hamburg State Opera Die Meistersinger non Nurnberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlf-TXyrycM
Hamburg State Opera Fidelio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KOBf7rdo8o
Hamburg State Opera Zar und Zimmerman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO0F-An2MZw
Bergman's Magic Flute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufQxByt7dNM
Syberberg's Parsifal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=six6ZSN1REw
Powell and Pressburger's The Tales of Hoffmann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN82DTbamkA
Der fliegende Hollander 1975 conducted by Sawallisch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nipz8W6GJm4
Salome 1974 conducted by Karl Bohm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNUZsl3XBEY
Elektra 1981 conducted by Bohm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auqm-lOn6k4
Falstaff 1979 conducted by Solti
La Traviata 1982 directed by Zeffirelli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krzj73WQ6eI
Boris Godunov 1989 directed by Andrzej Żuławski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAln-H275B4

Filmed stage performances of opera (a lot of these so obviously I can't post all of them):

Don Giovanni 1955 conducted by Furtwangler
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yny2fEDao_U
Der Rosenkavalier 1961 conducted by Karajan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8X64WJq6qc
Bayreuth Meistersinger 1963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsHtqVTJ_6k
Tosca 1964 with Maria Callas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnFlg1z1hPc
Marriage of Figaro 1976 conducted by Karl Bohm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEf0Ogllmmg
Bayreuth Tannhauser 1978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf8-S_1rNFI
Bayreuth Jahrhundertring
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jO6d4z8r7w

>Listening to Bach
>not listening to Mozart
>Listening to Marais
>Not listening to Haydn
>Listening to Ravel
>not listening to Mahler
>listening to Stravinsky
>not listening to Prokofiev or Shostakovich

Is there a better feeling in this world?

great new meme spam of the month

>>127429823
>Any recommendations
I liked these two
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077672/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071857/

>127429910
It's not great at all, it's dumb, one-dimensional, doesn't induce banter at all, and all variations have been exhauset already several threads ago. It's basically gorespam.

>>127429823
Powell's Bluebeards Castle is pretty great too (unfortunately sung in German). It had a fairly recent restoration from the original film that I even bothered to purchase.

>>127429954
Your post is one dimensional, as is your life

>>127429972
>Powell's Bluebeards Castle
ahem
>>127429946
>https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077672/

>>127429778
>has no taste since he listens to Cl*ssical
>probably likes Brahms, Mahluh or ever worse, Ch*pin

This is what happens when you listen to music that is not platonically moral, you can't enjoy sounds that don't induce some sort of extreme emotional response

>Well, I wish you good night, but first,
>Shit in your bed and make it burst.
>Sleep soundly, my love
>Into your mouth your arse you'll shove.

>Mozart's canon "Leck mich im Arsch" K. 231 (K6 382c) includes the lyrics:

>Addio, ben mio. Keep well, my love.
>Into your mouth your arse you'll shove.
>I wish you good night, my dear, but first,
>Shit in your bed and make it burst.

Need I say more Shartzart lovers?

Just stop listening to Mozart, there is no hidden genius in his music, just shit, piss, and cock fucking nonsense that no straight man would be caught dead listening to, HE WORE A WIG AND MAKEUP, HE'S GAY CAN'T YOU SEE IT?

HE ATE SCHNITZEL OUT OF HIS WIFES UNWIPED ASSHOLE!

>>127429697
There's a reason Wagner himself removed that section. The climax at the modern end of the aria both sounds and feels incredibly final; in my opinion, the addition of the additional music doesn't add to the experience. If anything, it detracts from it. The dramatic importance of Lohengrin speaking his own name -the first time the title of the opera is spoken- is such that it needs to feel like an emotional and musical destination. Given the choice, I would prefer to perform Mein lieber Schwan" as attaca as I can manage. These two arias perfectly encapsulate who Lohengrin is as a character for an audience of people unfamiliar with the opera.

>>127426751 (OP)
>not baroque; Wagner: prince of the Romantics
Good serf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDBWHs43IzE

>>127430073
That conductor looks straight out of King Louis XIV Court

All memes aside, why didn't Bach write any operas?

Hindemith's recorder trio is poor

>>127430119
Speak on that

>>127430118
Because he was a true genius

>>127430137
People often say his Cantata's and Passions are substitutes for Operas, but that's such a cheap scapegaot, if he Like Handel so much, why didn't he at least try to write one?

>>127430118
Opera is Italian. Bach was the consummate Germanic composer.

>>127430091
Weren’t the French blond back then? Although the king indeed imported Italian/Spanish conductors.

>>127430173
>why didn't he at least try to write one?
Because he was a true genius

>>127430181
Yes but Mozart was a "true" gen*us(not true by the way) as well. and he has a ton of Operas.

Bach's Music? No, no; you misheard me: I said Musik Im Bauch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxxthbFQYgs

>>127430118
Wasn't interested in the stage. But musically he effectively did write an opera.

>>127430118
The Passions are basically operas

>>127430197
There you have it

>>127430203
>>127430214
Please don't bastardise Bach's work like that

>>127430203
>The Bible is an Opera

>>127430242
I'm sorry, is the Bible music?

Mozart gives me the ick,

As does Brahms, Mahler, Handel, early-middle Beethoven, Dvorak, Bruckner, Chopin, Schumann, Strauss II, Hindemith, Schoenberg, Reger, Berg, Webern, Tchaikovsky, Boulez, Stockhausen, Haydn, Bruch, Salieri, Clementi, and Sibelius

That is all

>>127430247
Bach's cantatas are deeply rooted in the Bible, drawing heavily from biblical text and hymns.

>>127430242
ahem >>127429946
>https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071857/
>>127430258
no one asked no one cares

>>127430267
but is the bible
music

>>127430202
Didn't know Stockhausen was into Programme music

>>127430270
>no one asked no one cares
But here you are replying to post, because it tells the truth

>>127430283
don't reply to my posts

>>127430281
The Hymns are meant to be sung.

>>127430294
but is text

music

>>127430303
No
> Bach's Passions are not operas, not novels, but rather sober reports set to immortal music with considerably less sober, sensitive, stirring, harrowing comments and reflections. There is no acting, no portrayal; they simply report the Passion and death of Jesus Christ.

>>127430317
There you have it

>>127430118
The Passions ARE substitutes for operas. The cantatas are not.

>>127430329
Operas are substitutes for passions by lesser composers

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9ZEtPWMOtU

>>127430317
Thanks chatgpt

>>127430267
>>127430317
I think you fail to understand what musical qualities are. As music, Bach's Passions are practically undisguisable from operas of the era.

>>127430356
But are they operas?

>>127430360
Musically, yes.

>>127430374
According to who?

>>127430356
No, operas are emotional; Bach’s passions are rational.

>>127430379
That's not what separates operas from other works. Still, they're not operas.

>>127430351
What kind of monster would hogtie a lamb like that?

>>127430387
abrahamites

>>127430392
Um, actually, it was the Romans, Chud

>I ask a question of why Bach didn't write operas
>all of you refuse to give me a definite answer
>I'll still never know

Patricians seek to guard mysteries, plebs try to uncover them and ruin the magic of never knowing.

Well done lads

>>127430401
he just didn't feel like it man

After many years of listening to Monsieur Debussy, I've come to the conclusion that his early years will forever remain his best period followed by Jeux and the Etudes.

>early>late>middle

>>127428244
Yikes, very strange. I knew I was right to avoid Ax and Mackerras whenever I can help it

>>127430398
wdhmbt

>>127430379
>Bach’s passions are rational.

>>127428503
He completed the symphonic form.

>>127430554
How? What was incomplete about it? And how does that make him any less overrated?

>>127430554
uh buddy other people had fully finished symphonies before he came along

>>127430579
name 1

>>127430554
Speak on that

>>127430586
the fifth

>The contemporary conductor CHRISTOPH VON DOHNANYI is more specific:

>Mahler was the first composer who somehow meets a democratic social structure. He can be enjoyed by people both with and without an education. In a very extensive way he has a certain style of music-making which can be misunderstood tremendously. Someone who is educated by magazines, a Reader's Digest education, can enjoy Mahler. But I believe that if you don't know everything that was important in his time-Schreker, Zemlinsky, Klimt, Schiele, Kokoshka--you cannot really understand Mahler. If you are just exposed to Mahler without knowledge of Mahler, people can enjoy it.

>>127430554
>>127430568
>>127430586
>>127430592
>Discussing Mahler unironically

>>127430624
>any dumb fucking idiot can enjoy Mahler
See, he agrees that he's overrated

>The last performance Haydn attended [of his oratorio The Creation] was on March 27, 1808, just a year before he died: the aged and ill Haydn was carried in with great honour on an armchair. According to one account, the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the coming of "light" and Haydn, in a typical gesture, weakly pointed upwards and said: "Not from me—everything comes from up there!"

based papa Haydn, a man of humility and God

real schizo hours

>>127430624
>truly, I am the champion of the common people
Too bad "his people" hated the common folk, so his music falls flat in that regard. He was just shilled on the gentiles because Jews are narcissistic as fuck and need representation in every sector of the world.

His music sucks, plain and simple, no if's, and's, or but's

>>127430654
>>127430654
blah blah blah jews blah blah blah degeneracy blah blah blah bible blah blah

>>127430654
>muuh jews
>His music sucks

>>127430654
Meds

>>127430654
If's what? And's what? But's what?

oh interesting, didn't know Angela Hewitt had a recording of Chopin's Nocturnes, let's try it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2GTBIOCmYE&list=OLAK5uy_ni3h-jKGDtWay1V7HRcTQ0P1USReJp1vA&index=1

It starts off with Nos. 20 and 21, then goes in order from there. Interesting choice, I kinda like it, it's nice hearing a different Nocturne at the start.

>>127428256
It really is the optimal format! You're welcome to use it any time :)

>>127430624
> Mahler was the first composer who somehow meets a democratic social structure. He can be enjoyed by people both with and without an education… Someone who is educated by magazines, a Reader's Digest education, can enjoy Mahler.
This, but replace Mahler with Beethoven.

>>127431105
This, but replace Beethoven with Rachmaninoff

why so fast :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu8l_K-mvtc&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=90

Gonna give this Gulda cycle a try since it's near unanimously praised and many consider it one of the very best Beethoven piano sonata cycles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PG64pjpzXU&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=40

>>127431137
studio time expensive yo

>>127431148
:p

>>127430676
>>127430681
>>127430698
>>127430703
Found the jews, but I should've expected that since this is a classical thread. Go fuck your faces in you foreskinless child murdering scumbags

real ESL hours

>>127431172
You hate Gulda's Beethoven that much? ;o

>>127431196
that wasn't meant for you baby boy

>>127431137
I thought this would be exceedingly dry performances, which is probably the number one quality I hate the most, but I'm actually liking it so far

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuZ3DaaPZyE&list=OLAK5uy_m_afPa6Mlu26qm3BjKrYKKDCFhkrLRxAo&index=18

plus the other cycles I've listened to recently have all had slower tempos, so some change in that with a faster, more traditional approach should be good

I listen to CISalpine music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFXnv3kL9pQ
You listen to TRANSylvanian music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eduav3iD51w
We are not the same

>>127431255
how do you feel about wet performances

>>127431269
Just the way my mama played it when I was a child

>>127431255
is that Larry David

>>127431280
it's Gulda playing Larry David playing Gulda

>>127431380
You still can. Well, not you, because you've no talent whatsoever, but other people

>>127431386
It's the global age, the world has gotten closer and smaller. People don't watch their local High School sports, they watch professional sports. So there's no reason to listen to and support your local talent when there's the better national and global talent.

Is the point I was making.

>>127431396
You're a no-talent loser

Is the point I was making.

>>127431413
But I'm one of the best in the world at the thing I do -- well, what I used to do.

>>127431422
Nah

>>127431448
I've been one of the best in the world at the last thing I did, and one of the best on my side of the US at the thing I did before that, and I hope to become one of the best in the world again at my next endeavor. So yes, I know what it feels like and it what it takes, and yes, it feels good :)

>>127431469
ok

>>127431473
It's why I have a joie de vivre :D

>>127431469
>>127431477

Hello friends!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh--7ILwkx4

Wait, hol’ up…what’s this?
https://youtu.be/N_x3g9jrw1o?si=nhwzUGnohy0jT22L&t=984

>>127431602
>>127431694
no one cares

>mfw when a non platonic heathen puts on a braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap concerto by Shartzart

When will you heathens learn?

>>127431760
You really typed out and posted this.

>>127431733
?

>>127431763
again

>>127431763
>you really typed and posted this

>Up next is mozFart stinky dinky symphony no. 39 in E flatulence

Do Shartzart listeners really?

Since it's a Wagner thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UPcU-mbWkY&list=RD2UPcU-mbWkY&start_radio=1

>>127431694
Um actually that’s his business partner (slave)

>>127431815
It's not bad. I expected worse from 19 year old Wagner.

>>127431827
Nah, Dave Hurwitz was built for African Land Fish.
He probably grew up watching his mom eat them.

>>127431939
Me too. I think he was trying to be like Mendelssohn at that age.

>>127431694
I may ask AI to make a Maho version later

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-RR_N9db1g

>>127432018
maho more like my whore

>>127432062
She belongs to the streets, yo

thoughts on Ciccolini's Debussy?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x07QdGKfHg&list=OLAK5uy_k_LA2sB-2JiV8fa530DpwiG6NLElDwYnM&index=1

>>127431960
weren't we all
>>127432069
>thoughts on Ciccolini
she's still alive?

>>127432069
Every once in a while I'm suddenly, violently reminded just how fucking weird Debussy's head shape was

>>127432087
Oh I thought that was Aldo Ciccolini. Whoops!

>>127432090
boy, what

>>127432096
Other Debussy sets have pictures of the performers and not Debussy, so...

pic related: not Debussy, but Bavouzet

>>127432128
....so, you don't know what composers look like unless they're on album covers? That's... that's a first for sure

>>127432087
Geniuses have weird skulls.

>>127432140
I get exposure from album covers, this general, and articles. I guess I'd never really come across the pictures of either Debussy or Ravel.

>>127432152
and Wagner also

Just passing through as the most prolific musician in human history.
https://youtu.be/-ypsqh50iO0?si=IOLEOne2I91pYfyd

>>127432153
I'd berate you but I'm actually impressed you managed to be so sheltered in the age of information AND while being a 4channer

Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh2wEzsOG5k

>>127432167
>most prolific musician
writing a shitty little fugue every day as a form of exercise really shouldn't count

>>127432184
Then become a music teacher and write down your lessons every day for 50 years please.

>>127432193
why

>>127432195
He's the most prolific. It doesn't matter how it happens. Write it down.

>>127431760
You can tell the guy in the back is a Trump supporter.

>>127432175
...okay? Everyone has gaps. I also wouldn't be able to recognize César Franck from his picture, but I'm familiar with his music, same as Debussy and Ravel. Who cares?

>>127432209
>He's the most prolific
That doesn't matter at all either. He's by extension the composer with the largest absolute-shit-to-good ratio of works in history. Congrats on trying to shill the world's absolute worst composer proportionally.

>>127432214
>Everyone has gaps
I don't; I have thiccc thighs
>Who cares?
You're not under attack. You need to understand how strange this is, and why someone would pause to point it out.

>>127432235
Seems like a way to avoid discussing the music and its performance. What a waste.

>>127432227
From the very single thing I've heard from him it was pleasant. And he had the ability to write down his lessons every day for most of his life. He was in the top 100 composers in human history just for that.

>>127432247
>b-but he wrote a LOT
Yes, we GET that much, don't you worry. Congrats on the shit taste.

>>127432258
That's a good one. You probably think St. Maria's cathedral is garbage because it took 500 years to construct.

>>127432242
Seems you've taken it personally. I've discussed Debussy hundreds of times here, even amidst the autism, the flamewars, the spam, the people trying to make a le quirky posting style their entire personality. It's possible: It happens. Just because it's not happening now, because I got sidetracked with something far more remarkable doesn't mean it won't happen again in the future. Calm down.

https://slippedisc.com/2017/07/vladimir-putin-these-are-my-classical-favourites/

>VLADIMIR PUTIN: THESE ARE MY CLASSICAL FAVOURITES

>‘I always listened with pleasure and to so-called popular classical music – Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart, of course. Maybe, first of all, Mozart, for me.

>‘Of our own – Rachmaninov. And Schubert/Liszt ‘Ständchen’ – wonderful, I really love this melody: Schubert in Liszt’s adaptation.’

> On contemporary music: ‘Of course, it’s difficult for me to understand a composer such as Schnittke. Although he is very famous, and we are proud of him. But only a well-prepared listener understands all the variety and the depth of his works. I have not yet grown to this point, but I hope that I will continue to move in this direction.’

>>127432282
>Calm down.
Oh I'm just getting started.

>>127432274
>it takes long BECAUSE it's good; it's good BECAUSE it takes long
nice cheapass fallacies, slop-enjoyer; go now and listen to 365 shitty fugues

>>127432152
>Arguably the most expressive representation of Mahler’s head was Auguste Rodin’s. It shows an extreme example of brachycephalism, an anatomical feature generally not apparent in photographs, whether full-face or profile, as the shape of the skull is concealed by the luxuriant growth of black hair. But it is clear from the few snapshots that show him with short hair that he had virtually no exterior occipital protuberance, a peculiarity even more evident in the famous caricatures of Mahler produced in New York by Enrico Caruso, not only the greatest tenor of his day but also an accomplished draughtsman.

>>127432283
>> On contemporary music: ‘Of course, it’s difficult for me to understand a composer such as Schnittke. Although he is very famous, and we are proud of him. But only a well-prepared listener understands all the variety and the depth of his works. I have not yet grown to this point, but I hope that I will continue to move in this direction.’
Hmm, this is well stated.

>>127432297
Aigh, have fun screaming into the void like the Ives faggot.
>>127432315
It's called diplomacy, a.k.a. how to insult someone in a flattering way

>>127432323
It seems more humble and self-effacing than an underhanded insult...?

>>127432323
>Aigh, have fun screaming into the void like the Ives faggot.
you're lucky I'm only 5'8, 125lbs or I'd beat you up.

>>127432283
I didn't realize Schnittke was that popular in Russia. That's amusing.

>>127432283
>Putin is waiting for Schnittke to click
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD29SEOh8E0

>>127432339
That's why it's an art.

>>127432352
>I didn't realize world renowned contemporary composer was that popular in his own country
Did you know Steve Reich is very popular in the US?

are these real contempo hours?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28gDrKkBStE

>>127432362
Putin is a pseud. If it doesn’t click on the first listen, it never will. You only succeed in tricking yourself into thinking it has clicked by listening to it repeatedly.

>>127432283
>And Schubert/Liszt ‘Ständchen’ – wonderful, I really love this melody: Schubert in Liszt’s adaptation.
Patrician taste.

>>127432302
Now I finally understand why Mahler was the way he was. He had a full development of every faculty necessary for composing, such as what allows one to perfectly mimic the style of another composer, except for the creativity in the prefrontal cortex.

>>127432438
You understand why he was a cuck and a manlet who had to include an entire wood workshop & smithy in his symphonies?

>>127432438
It was the back of skull that was recessed, not the front. If anything he might have had an underdeveloped occipital lobe (which would make sense, seeing as that's the part of the brain responsible for visual processing and he reportedly had little interest in visual arts compared to music and literature).

Please listen to my new Folia variations and let me know what you think. I feel like the back half has a really nice flow to it that the front half lacks in its current form, looking for ideas on whether I need to scrap any variations that suck or write one or two more for the beginning to make it have more of a cohesive musical arc.

Full set
https://voca.ro/178kodJXS2og

Just the back (better) half
https://voca.ro/11yIn55eZcw4

Phrenology and physiognomy are pseudosciences.

>>127432468
literally all great composers are manlets and a good deal of them are cuckolds

>>127432500
Seems decent. Like a foot creeping into the darkness, even thought there's no danger.

>>127432504
>Phrenology and physiognomy are pseudosciences.

>>127432570
>>127432570
that pic has nothing to do with phrenology and plenty with severe blunt trauma to the skull

>>127432394
I hate that I don't hate this

>>127432606
that's what i said when i first listened to Mahler

>>127432418
I’ve never heard this piece before, it’s damn good

>>127432394
Why is it impossible for contemporary music not to sound pretentious? It's like Schoenberg trying to not sound like scary movie music.

>>127432662
>Schoenberg trying to not sound like scary movie music.
But that's exactly what would fix Schönberg and his cronies

>>127432152
judging by skull shapes, sizes, and body ratios, Wagner was probably the smartest composer from the romantic period.

Really good Mahler 9. Don't think I've heard the wind detail so pronounced and violent before

>>127433247
Wasn’t Wagner’s father Jewish?

>>127433247
You don't need phrenology to know that.

Wagner’s mother was a prostitute of the prince of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach.

>>127433487
his stepfather, the playwright Ludwig Geyer might have been of Jewish descent but his biological father was a civil servant.

>>127433535
Research has definitively shown that neither one was Jewish.

>>127433541
sorry. I was just quoting the wiki page.

>>127433541
>studies suggest

>>127433511
After he grew tired of her, she moved on to Carl Friedrich Wilhelm Wagner. She was then seduced by a Jew named Ludwig Geyer. When Richard was born, she passed him off as the true son of Carl Friedrich, but I have no doubt Geyer had been tapping that well for some time prior.

>>127433554
if Wagner's father was Jewish that would explain where he got his fanaticism and disagreeableness from. Intelligence is mostly inherited from the mother's side anyway.

>>127433573
> Intelligence is mostly inherited from the mother's side anyway
Did your whore mother tell you that?

>>127433578
scientific research and Schopenhauer told me that.

>>127433583
You are conflating certain genes on the X-chromosome governing some aspects of development with those governing general intelligence.

You cannot possibly tell me that Wagner doesn't resemble Carl Friedrich Wagner more than Ludwig Geyer.

>>127433633
you cannot be this retarded.

>>127433573
>>127433583
>not inherited from both parents, mostly inherited from mother
KOEK, I sense there is an ALFish angle to this…

>>127433706
speak English goddammit.

>>127433402
Definitely one of the best, yeah. Be sure to check out his Gewandhaus 9th too -- similar but distinct, and just as great.

Fortepiano vs Steinway?

>>127434236
Fortepiano obviously

>>127433633
...nigga what

If wagners operas so good why do people only talk about the overtures and never the music in the rest of the work?

>>127434281
That.... is actually a good question

>>127434281
Because instrumental music is more popular than opera, duh

NEW THREAD
>>127434295
>>127434295
>>127434295

>>127434236
Steinway for romantic music, forte for classical period