Catholicism was started by Jesus Christ.

Protestantism was started by priests or pastors.

Know the difference. It could save your life.

>>507785706 (OP)
Cool, so what about the orthodox?

>>507785706 (OP)
I don’t care. Islam is the future.

>>507785706 (OP)
Imagine being a Vatican II Catholic and trying to tell anyone that your the trad church that follows the traditions of the early church

>>507785706 (OP)
Catholic "Church" is a literal antichrist. You are idolaters.

Seek repentance.

>>507785706 (OP)
Agree the Catholic Church is by command of our Lord Jesus Christ. Being Catholic is the most based thing possible.

>>507785706 (OP)
>jesus Christ
Weird way to spell emperor Theodosius and his Jewish nkvd

Catholicism hasn't existed since the pope turned on the crusaders

>>507785706 (OP)
>Catholicism was started by Jesus Christ.
Christianity was started by Peter.
Catholicism was started by Constantine.

>>507785706 (OP)
Show me the words Vatican or Pope in the Bible.

>>507785706 (OP)
Did Hitler paint that? Because it looks mid as fuck.
They really should have accepted him to art school and taught him perspective

Yeah then immediately niggered it.

>>507786099
>the pope turned on the jews
tell me more, anon. This pope sounds based.

>>507785924
Islam is already beginning to die out. You have the highest apostasy rates.

Christianity is experiencing a revival, we will help usher in the Kingdom of God.

I like Catholicism for the head lore, but it's not canon. Protestantism is sola scriptura, not made up medieval faggotry.

>>507785706 (OP)
Protestantism was started by various monarchs, princes and knights who funded figureheads such as Martin Luther in order to establish state-controlled versions of "Christianity". The rest is our present.

>>507785706 (OP)
you worship mary aka ishtar the babylonian goddess

>>507786263
You aren't reading this right
The pope sided against the crusaders for becoming pseudo bankers
He believed only jews could be

>>507786294
Kingdom of the Jews.

Not to be a redditor or anything, but don't you feel kind of humbled when inside of an impressive catholic church? Maybe its just me. I feel sacred when in that environment. Regrettably, I don't attend local catholic mass more frequently but I do feel spiritually cleansed when I am there.

very true, lets purge protestantism at once

>>507785894
Honestly, political temper tantrum that dreamed up doctrinal differences as an excuse.

>>507786139
Coping intensifies. Read some history, ignoramus.

>>507786143
Show me where Christ gave you the Bible in the Bible.

>>507785706 (OP)
You worship the antichrist, not Christ. Catholics have no conception of Christ, they dont read the Bible. God damn Catholic NPC niggers.

>>507785706 (OP)
Based. The Catholic Church is the only based and redpilled Aryan religion left. RETVRN. Christ is King.

>console wars
nothing matters but you, the word, and the holy spirit. picking a denomination and listening to mans interpretations is blue pilled and cringe. it should only be a social decision to be with like-minded people regardless of denomination.

>>507785706 (OP)
>catholicism is directly jewish
>protestantism is jewish by proxy

>>507785706 (OP)
That's "Maria am Gestande" in the first distict (of Vienna.)

Was features in Orson Welle's "The Third Man" in the 50s,
and you can see the houses around it rumble after WWII e.g. here

https://youtu.be/q2VbXdrFXB8?si=u7PDtGJiSNRSQTNX&t=254

>>507785955
>vatican II
that's way too complicated for online trad caths to worry about

>>507787891
We wrote it.

>>507788439
makes no sense. low iq post

>>507788439
Shouldn't you be dying for kikes, evangelical bro?

>>507787891
that fish guy is the reason we have agricolture, show some respect

>>507787891
Your godforsaken pathetic national religion was created because your fat fuck of a king wanted to fuck other whores without it being a sin and pillage the Church riches and proprieties for self enrichment, power lust and more state control. You have 0 rights to criticize Catholicism. I'd wager even fucking Jeovah's witnesses should be out of reach from your criticism.

>>507785706 (OP)
>>507785894
Both have the same roots. You can choose either one, both churches are true. Orthodox consider Pope (meaning "Papa") as Bishop of Rome, which is his official title. Catholics are just followers of the Bishop of Rome. Orthodox follow their local Bishops. Jesus never said Christianity must be located in Rome. The theological difference between Orthodox and Catholic are semantic

Ignatius of Antioch (c. 107 AD)

Bishop, martyr, student of the apostle John. Writing on his way to martyrdom in Rome.
On the Eucharist: Real Presence, not symbolism

>“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us...
>They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ...”
— Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 6:2–7:1

Anti-Protestant because: No symbolic “memorial”—this is straight-up belief in the real, physical presence of Christ in the Eucharist, ~70 years after Jesus.

On Bishops and Hierarchy

>“Let no one do anything of concern to the Church without the bishop...
>Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”
— Letter to the Smyrnaeans, 8:1–2

Anti-Protestant because: No congregationalism or local independence. The bishop is the visible center of the Church’s unity.

Clement of Rome (c. 95 AD)

Ordained by Peter. Writing to the Corinthians to rebuke them for overthrowing their church leaders.
On Apostolic Succession

>“The apostles... appointed the firstfruits [of their converts] to be bishops and deacons...
>And they gave them further instruction, that when these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed them in their ministry.”
— 1 Clement, 42–44

Anti-Protestant because: Clear defense of apostolic succession and non-democratic church leadership. No "pastor hired by a vote."

>>507785924
9 year girls are not sexy, Achmed.

>>507789848
Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 180 AD)

Disciple of Polycarp (who was a disciple of John). Writing against heretics.
On Apostolic Tradition vs. Sola Scriptura

>“Suppose there arise a dispute... shall we not have recourse to the most ancient Churches with which the apostles held constant intercourse?
>It is within the power of all... to contemplate clearly the tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world... preserved by means of the succession of presbyters.”
— Against Heresies, 3.3.1

Anti-Protestant because: Says the true faith is found in apostolic tradition and succession, not individual interpretation of Scripture.

On the Eucharist Again

>“If the body be not saved, then neither did the Lord redeem us by His blood...
>How can they say that the flesh, which is nourished by the Body and Blood of the Lord, becomes corrupted and does not partake of life?”
— Against Heresies, 5.2.2–3

Anti-Protestant because: The Eucharist is called the actual Body and Blood, and necessary for life.


The Word “Catholic Church”

>“Wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”
— Ignatius of Antioch, Smyrnaeans 8:2

This is the first known use of the phrase “Catholic Church”—around 107 AD. Way before any idea of a “Roman Catholic institution.”

>>507789931
Mary was 12

>>507789836
Wrong, the Pope is the successor of Peter. You can see this panning out in the New Testament already. The early Church writings supports it more, etc... Even the Orthodox recognized him too then backtracked.

>>507785706 (OP)
>Catholicism was started by Jesus Christ.
This is what Catholic claim yet they contradict what Jesus actually taught and the Catholic church was formed 300 years later by a Roman Emperor.
Hence the name Roman Catholic.

>>507790183
source?

>>507786078
crosses are idolatry according to the mormons.
jesus is king, not (((moses))) you fag. fuck your jewish laws.

>>507789836
What is the point in being Catholic if you don't even believe in extra ecclesiam nulla salus?

>>507785706 (OP)
Christianity was started by Jesus and Paul
Catholicism was an institution started by priests and emperors who got almost everything wrong, from translating 'repentance' as 'penance' (whip yourself!) to idolizing the Virgin Mary, despite the fact that neither Jesus nor the Apostles ever said to do so any more than they said to have a special day for Christmas or Easter, etc.
Protestantism was the just and righteous reaction to over 1000 years of Catholic dictatorship, tyranny, oppression, brutality, war, genocide and massacre. It was the expression of righteous anger against a monstrous system that deliberately kept the people in ignorance and thereby perpetuated its blasphemous heresies and unbiblical, man-made traditions to keep itself in power.
Remember, Protestants made America.
Catholics made Mexico.

The Church will be fixed.
Any day now.

>>507790183
No one had sex with Mary retard.

>>507790183
An absolute lie.
If you had actually read the Bible you would read about a 12-year-old girl healed by Jesus, she is clearly called a CHILD.
But when the Angel comes to Mary he says: "Blessed are you above WOMEN."
Mary is literally called a woman, not a child.
Now go back to your pedo-worshipping moon cult, moron.

>>507785894
Bread. It was literal bread.

>>507790329
Please go do some basic research and see your stupid position btfo. Read the Church Fathers (ancients) and learn how wrong you are.

>>507789022
>catholicism was started by a jew
>protestantism was started by jewish proxies (pastors)
Let me know if you need it dumbed down anymore since it was "low IQ" but you still weren't high IQ enough to comprehend it.
>>507789170
I'm not a christkike lmao

>>507785706 (OP)
I’ve heard the arguments from a Roman catholic priest and an East Orthodox priest. Rome begins to lose the argument after the fall of the western empire and completely loses it after the schism.

>>507790738
If the cross is idolatry then Mormon's god must be a demon. Logically.

>>507790982
All completely wrong. Read the Church Fathers or Apostolic Fathers and weep. Your whole statement is ahistorical.

>>507792191
Wrong.

>>507785706 (OP)
Catholicism is the only true Abrahamic religion and the real essence of the 'west'.
Protestantism was always a kiked psyop from the begining whose only purpose has turned out to be to pile up the problems that the so called 'west' now has.

>>507792174
>Please go do some basic research
You mean Catholic propaganda that flies in the face of the truth.
The facts are there for all to see but Catholics regurgitate the same fairy tales whenever the historical record of events come into play.

>>507785955
Many of them follow Newmanism. It gives them an excuse for every invention and divergence from Scripture and from tradition. Newman came up with Newmanism when a Roman Catholic council he participated in dreamed up a new doctrine not found in the Church fathers, in the Apocrypha, or in Scripture.
Those too reasonable for Newmanism will state that Vatican II isn't dogma.

>>507790982
>Remember, Protestants made America.
>Catholics made Mexico.

Catholics made the Spanish Empire, way before any notion of 'Mexico' was conceived as a nation state.

Catholicism achieved the milestone of turning stone age barbarians into more civilized peoples that were the backbone of the Spanish Empire for 300 years.
Protestantism (and it's gorillion denominations) achieved the genocide of the already civilized peoples that never got any major issues with the Spanish Empire for hundreds of years in landgrab wars.

If you think that Mexico has been fucked since it's independency because muh papism then you don't know anything, nor you'll want to know since you're from the angloiest anglo country.

Yes but Vatican II is heresy

>>507793715
No, documents that we have the originals of that date before prots or orthos existed. You have the source material and it refutes your claims.

>>507794138
It's not.

>>507790329
Protestants are so retarded and dishonest it’s actually hard to believe

>>507794244
It is. You’re evil if you disagree

>>507790982
All Protestants are pathological liars. Actual demons in human form

>>507792183
This is a kike

>>507794336
You're just a prot if you think so. You trust in your pride instead of Christ and His Church.

>>507785706 (OP)
with catholicism, there are no incel boys

yAJnEYPe rapes kids

>>507785955
People that invoke Vatixan II can never state what was stated there that they object to

>>507785706 (OP)
>started by Jesus Christ.
>splits from the rest of the church in 1054

>>507785924
>future
>stuck in 7th century

>>507794609
You’re a pathological liar

>>507785706 (OP)
What you call "Catholicism" was started by Pope Leo IX when he split with the Orthodox Church.

>>507795361
Nope. You're just another Luther wannabe and you don't even know it.

>>507795472
Lol nope. You’re a demonic liar who denies the most obvious truths.

99.99% of England was hellbound until one individual said no more

>>507795689
'Obvious' if you're uneducated and unread like most sedes. Just following in your schizo father's footsteps, like all young sedes.

>>507794184
It doesn't.
The history clearly states when the Roman Catholic church was founded.
Roman Catholic propaganda which are essentially fairy tales for children don't change the historical record.

>>507795776
>created a new religion because he wanted to kill women and steal from Rome

>>507790250

Obsession over Saint Peter and therefore pope shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the Church, turning it into a near-governmental organization which is removed from Jesus' teachings. Church was never meant to be an authoritarian organization where one man is considered infailable and rules as a despot. Church is first and foremost a community of people in Christ, following His teachings by the grace of Holy Spirit. The kingdom of god was not in Saint Peter or any of the people that came after him, it is WITHIN people in the church. That's why all great and sacred decisions were made in councils like Nicean one, not by an "unfailable" king clothed in gold and jewels.

Catholic church strayed away and it's home (Rome) is prophecized in Revelations to be the source of evil in the last days for a reason (a whore standing on seven hills)

Even superficial understanding of Christianity is enough to show that the order of actual holiness of humans within it depends on their actions and faith, not any pseudo-political mandate they may hold

>>507785706 (OP)
non-catholics are not christians. they're just heretic cults. and they praise kikes and scam anyone, too.

>507785706
>1PBTID
>Catholicism was started by Jesus Christ.
>Protestantism was started by priests or pastors.
and neither of them resolved the Jewish Problem

>>507799948
Really?
>and scam anyone, too.
Like they sell get-out-of-jail-free cards for serious sins? Man that's awful.

>>507796849
Wrong again, numb nuts. It's all online for free. Read the source material yourself instead of relying on your propaganda books.

>>507797605
Wrong, it's already coming together in Acts. You just don't know your Bible. Like most prots you only know what the veggie tales has spoonfed you as a child and the four verses your preacher is hooked on.

>>507785706 (OP)
And christianity was started by jews.

>>507788964
>We wrote it.
LMAO.
Don't pretend you were there bro.
Most Protestants have no clue how the Bible came together, but Catholics completely oversimplify the process.
Even the Catholic canon wasn't completely formalized until the Council of Trent.

>>507801490
No shit retard. Who are you even replying to?

>>507785955
Every single argument against Vatican 2 is bad faith retarded strawman shit

Without groyper coping can any of the "trad" Catholics tell me how they cope with having globohomo Church leadership?
Do you just ignore it?

>>507801636
>No shit retard.
How Christian of you.

>>507801663
Yeah, it's called trusting in Christ. It's his Church. People are sinners. Simple as that.

>>507801663
There's no "coping" required. The Church teaches love and forgiveness like Christ did. You should try it sometime.

>>507801663
The church is led by Jesus Christ

>>507785706 (OP)
>>507786139
>>507787470
If you want to be history accurate, early Christianity was started by some apostles, not Jesus himself, then peter founded catholicism, andrew founded orthodoxy, later luther split from catholicism to found protestantism, if I'm not mistaken.

>>507785706 (OP)
>Catholicism was started by Jesus Christ.
Lol no. By Paul (Saul)

>>507803099
No. This is just wrong. Christ literally builds his Church on Peter and gives him the keys. It's about as explicit as it gets.

>>507803259
No. See above 1.

>>507801401
*based and redpilled Aryan Judean Chads

>>507785706 (OP)
>Catholicism was started by Jesus Christ.
Incorrect, Jesus didn't start any religion, and no neither did Peter.

>>507803370
The gentile churches, started by Paul, are what survived the sack of Jerusalem. So, yes.

>>507803317
>No. This is just wrong.
No it isn't

https://christianeducatorsacademy.com/the-founders-of-each-christian-church-who-started-christianity/

>Christ literally builds his Church on Peter
You seem to be referring to Catholic symbiology, not literal history, in that case, you are right, at least that's how it is reported in the New Testament.

>>507803510
Yeah he did. He literally says it in the Bible. Matthew 16:18. FFS man, some of you are just fucking jokes.

>>507803594
? Do you know how to form a complete thought?

>>507803706
Christ’s words in Matthew 16:18—“You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church”—are not symbolic but a direct commission. The early Church universally recognized Peter as the chief of the apostles, with Rome as his see. This is not mere Catholic “symbology” but attested historical reality, affirmed by early Christian writers like Ignatius of Antioch and Irenaeus.

>>507787388
It's interesting how few people know this.

>>507803923
Do you? The church Jesus started and said Peter was the rock of us not proto-cstholic/Orthodox church. It was the Nazarene movement based out of Jerusalem, something Paul has no part of and was in fact basically excommunicated from over his activities with the gentiles. That church is gone. Paul's survived. Paul's is the catholic church.

>>507803838
Do you know the year of the first Bible? and I mean Christian Bible, not the Tanaj or the Torah

>>507785706 (OP)
Very few if any catholics are actually christians. They contradict scripture by believing in their own works righteousness instead of believing solely on Jesus Christ for salvation. They also worship idols and pray to Saints. Praying for their eyes and ears to be opened.

>>507804441
That’s false. Paul explicitly sought the approval of the apostles in Jerusalem (Gal 2:2) and submitted his gospel to Peter, James, and John—he didn’t found a separate church. The Catholic Church is not "Paul’s"; it is the same Church Christ founded on Peter (Matt 16:18) and visibly led by Peter and his successors in Rome, as affirmed by every early Christian source.

Do you ever question why your version of Christianity has absolutely no backing anywhere in history? That is is completely a contemporary invention by fellow prot copers?

>>507804603
The first formal Christian Bible as a complete canon was defined at the Councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397, 419), affirming the 73-book canon used by the Catholic Church. However, Christian communities used the Old Testament (Septuagint) and apostolic writings (Gospels, letters) in liturgy from the 1st century onward. The earliest known full manuscript of the Christian Bible is the Codex Sinaiticus, dated to the 4th century.

Catholicism is a magnet for midwits who are beguiled by the external appearance of the church and the blasphemous rituals they perform each week, to make them feel 'involved' without having to use their brain, they commit idolatry and blaspheme the Word, thinking they are in Gods grace. They have been called NPCs for many hundreds of years by actual Christians. Protestantism at its core was always the truth. Of course it has all been corrupted now, and only a few churches here or there atually observe the Bible correctly. But Catholicism is the most blatant false church of all, and the mother of all false churches. Catholic niggers are hated by God, pawns of Satan. Fuck em. Either they repent or burn in hell.

Not a single one of you in this thread actually practice Catholic Social Teaching

>>507785706 (OP)
If anything, orthodox church would have more credibility, since in Revelation Jesus spoke to the church in Greece, not Rome. Going by the language used in the NT, it was mostly greek, for greek christians, both from gentiles and jews that were already in Greece. Speaking in latin and having your HQ in Rome has absolutely no basis in Jesus, since, i repeat, Jesus in Revelation talked to greek churches, not those in Israel nor Rome. I find funny when literalists come in catholic flavor

>>507805154
Who put together the Bible, midwit?

>>507785706 (OP)
You saying that doesn't make it true. Your church does not reflect scritpure, in fact it goes blatantly against scripture in every way possible. You read things into the text that just aren't there, if you read the Bible at all anyway. The only passage Roman Catholics know in the Bible is in Matthew 16, that's about it, that's your "knowledge" about the Bible, the rest is just Roman Catholic inventions.

always with the gay internal bickering. no wonder its dying out

>>507804934
Catholics are the true Christians because Christianity is a Catholic creation, and the variant that you follow is a correct as Islam, so you not only don't follow Christianity or the native religion of your race, but also larp as some kind of Jew that for some reason adore the Rabbi Yeshua Ben Joseph.

>>507805130
Yep, 400 years after Christ to form what we know as the Christian Bible, and now investigate who was the first pope and you will be surprised.

>>507805684
Peter.

>>507805902
No, that's the foundational myth

>>507805154
The biggest sign of the truth of this is the absolute lack of of a Christlike they show in their dealings with others.
For people who elevate "charity" to a virtue, you sure wouldn't know it talking to them.

>38 You have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.
>39 But I say to you not to resist evil: but if one strike thee on thy right cheek, turn to him also the other:
>40 And if a man will contend with thee in judgment, and take away thy coat, let go thy cloak also unto him. (Matthew 5:38-40)

>21 You have heard that it was said to them of old: Thou shalt not kill. And whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment.
>22 But I say to you, that whosoever is angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment. And whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council. And whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. (Matthew 5:21 - 22)

>15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
>16 By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
>17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
>18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit.
>19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire.
>20 Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them. (Matthew 7:15-20)

You can just feel that Christian love emanating from them with every exchange.
It never feels as though the conversation is about sharing a love of Christ when it comes to them. It's always about winning and about displaying superiority. Puffing up their own pride. It doesn't matter if their words run someone off from Christ; what matters is that they looked strong and were victorious.
None of Christ's humility. Rotten fruit from a rotten tree.

>>507805944
No. It is not. It's basic fact because of Matthew 16:18.

>>507806151
>absolute lack of of a Christlike
*Christlike attitude

>>507805047
>no backing anywhere in history? That is is completely a contemporary invention by fellow prot copers?
Lol what is your historical backing? The Bible with it's many proven forgeries and misattributed authors. I'm not a protestant, I'm not a Christian at all. Which is why I can look at the fragments of real history you can glean from era clearly. Incident at Antioch caused the first Christian schism, of many more to come. The people who knew historical Jesus went one way, and Paul and his group of gentiles, none of whom ever met Jesus, went another. The Jerusalem church was killed and scattered. Paul's group survived. They became the Orthodox / Catholic church.

>>507794728
>>507801652
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWsgxCVYtAI
This sums it up pretty well. It goes against old catholic canons and basic biblical doctrines.

>>507806151
Dude. Some of us are adults and want to have some fun blasting each other with facts, theories, and ideas. We aren't taking offense to it, it's in good fun. If you can't handle it or if you don't get it then leave. Nobody here is taking it personally.

>>507785706 (OP)
Catholicism was started by Jews
Protestantism was started by Europeans

>>507805684
>Catholics are the true Christians because Christianity is a Catholic creation
uuuhhhh.....no.

>>507806327
If you want to double down on meanspiritedness, I suppose that's your prerogative.
Doesn't do much to sell me on the holiness of your church though. And the fruits are what we are told to judge.

>>507806257
That narrative is ahistorical. The Church that survived, the one led by bishops in apostolic succession, always recognized both Peter and Paul as foundational, not opposed. The supposed schism at Antioch (Galatians 2) was a disciplinary dispute, not a doctrinal break, and was resolved—Paul himself returns to Jerusalem (Acts 21) and maintains unity with the apostles. Early Church Fathers like Clement of Rome (1st c.) and Ignatius of Antioch (early 2nd c.) affirm continuity between Peter, Paul, and the one universal Church.

>>507806447
Nobody even knows what you are here for, you're just interjecting randomly with no question or point. What do you want?

>>507805517
This is just too simplistic analysis though. Whether you approve or not, catholic theology is some of the most autistic shit ever devised on earth. You can't understand Catholicism without understanding the Summa and it's marriage of Aristotelian thought with scripture. The ultimate autistic apologetics of scripture ever devised by man. The manuscript of faith reconciled through reason.

You can disagree with it all you want, but to say "the only passage Roman Catholics know in the Bible is Matthew 16" is just retarded.

This lack contact with the autistic Catholic approach to theology is why Protestants make claims of idolatry, deification of Mary/saints etc. It's just too simplistic. Not making a judgement either way here, just saying that the typical dismissals of Catholicism by lay Protestants are insufficient and probably just embolden Catholics that are even marginally engaged with the faith.

>>507806503
Acts was written much later, it is ahistorical. Of course Christian apologists centuries later will affirm their tradition, they are blinded by their dogmatic faith. Like you.

>>507806671
I want to follow Christ.
But I talk to you and I know that, whatever path you're following, it ain't Christ's. No Christian love flows from you whatsoever and that's the point.
And I can tell you take pride in that. It's about you and your pride. Not about love for Christ.
These things are supposed to be holy and sacred. You sure don't treat them as such.

>>507806168
If you take it as Dogma of Faith then I can't do much, but as a wise man said; And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
— John 8:32

>>507806698
Acts was written in the 1st century, likely before 70 AD, given the abrupt ending without mention of Paul’s death. Its historical reliability is supported by external evidence and archaeological corroboration. Early non-apologetic sources like Josephus and Roman records also confirm events consistent with Acts. Dismissing it as "ahistorical" is your opinion and not an argument in any way. Just words, no facts.

>>507805397
Your responses demonstrate my point, Catholics are NPCs who cant percieve nuance. They censored the original texts and omitted half of it, then prevented anyone from reading it, it was leaked to the public by William Tyndale.

>>507806831
You're kinda hung up on sentimentality bud. We're here having fun and you join and don't like the sentiment. That is something you need to grow in. Go to reddit r/Catholicism if you want a non-4chan style chat.

>>507805154
>Protestantism at its core was always the truth
>The larper of the larper is the true
Hell you may even have one of the cute aprons from your kind!

>>507807033
You are missing my point and exhibiting it perfectly.
Catholics like you are the best argument against the Catholic Church and all the arguments in the world that you try to muster up can't refute that one.
The Church of God does not produce fruit such as this. Puffed up with pride and vanity.
Christ did not say to love your neighbor... unless you're on 4chan, in which case anything goes and it's all good bro.

>>507789758
Holy based Catalonian fellow Catholic, see you in heaven brother.

>>507806937
Uh, no. That's ultra low-IQ prot nonsense. Why don't you consider all early Christian writing 'the bible' then? There was a lot more of it, tons and tons of writings, but only what we have now was selected. But you are squibbling about the apocrapha or something (don't know you haven't specified anything inteilligent, just talking unspecifically). You gotta up your game.

>>507807401
How do you get into heaven?

>>507807214
No. The problem is that you're conflating love with kowtowing to your feelings. Love is willing the good of the other. Not some sappy disney nonsense. Also, you just think you have the right to interject yourself. Grow up.

>>507807680
See, this is where you're also wrong.
I'm offering you Christian correction. You are refusing to take it.
You're a LARPer. Not a Christian. Your faith is a LARP. That is why I can't take it seriously, nor can I take your arguments seriously.
It has nothing to do with my feelings. Everything to do with the unchristian manner you carry yourself in while claiming you speak for Christianity.
Some of us take Christ seriously. Not sure you can say the same, as much as you might protest otherwise.

>>507807851
You're just tone-policing because you have no argument. When someone starts quoting the Sermon on the Mount to dodge historical claims and shift focus to vibes and “unkindness,” it’s a retreat, not a rebuttal. Christ called the Pharisees whitewashed tombs and flipped tables. Truth isn’t invalidated by someone’s hurt feelings.

>>507807214
One could make an argument that your contrasting display of humility is performative vanity as well. Not accusing you of that, but why not engage with the rhetoric instead of the tone?

On the flipside, Catholic Social Teaching emphasizes correction with gentleness (Galatians 6:1). If anon isn't practicing that, that's his internal problem, not the faith's.

>>507786078
Based. Mother Mary is not to be prayed to. Only God should be prayed to.

>>507806908
Acts is full of inconsistencies, especially regarding Paul

Number of trips Paul made to Jerusalem.
Acts say five, Paul noted only three (Acts 9, 11, 15, 18:22, 21 versus Galatians 1:18, 2:1 and the (planned) visit to Jerusalem in Romans: 15:25).

Paul's first meeting with the apostles.
Paul mentioned that he only visited the apostles in Jerusalem three years after his conversion (Galatians 1:16-19 ) But the narrative in Acts showed that he went to Jerusalem a short time after his conversion. (Acts 9:1-26)

Paul in Jerusalem
According to Acts, Paul took an active part in the execution of Stephen in Jerusalem (Acts 7:58, 8:3) where he would certainly have been seen by at least some Christians there. Yet Paul in Galatians 1:22 mentioned that when he visited Jerusalem for the first time after his conversion he was "still unknown by sight to the Churches of Judea"

Paul as a Miracle Worker
Acts portrayed Paul as a miracle-worker (Acts 13:6-12; 14:8-10; 20:7-2). Yet Paul's epistle do not contain much claim of miracle working and in the rare case where is raised, it seems to be mentioned in a clearly defensive tone (II Corinthians 12:1-12) - implying that the criticism of his opponents was that his miracles were not impressive.

Paul as Outstanding Orator
In Acts Paul is portrayed as an outstanding orator able to command the attention of philosophers, unruly crowds and Roman prosecutors alike. (Acts 17:22-31 21:40-22:21; 24:1-21) Yet Paul admitted that he has been criticized of having weak "bodily present" whose speech making skills is of "no account" (II Corinthians 10:10).

Paul as an Apostle
Paul presented himself as an apostle (I Corinthians 9:1-3; Galatians 2:8). Acts give the criteria to be an apostle to include being one of the twelve and having eaten and drunk with the risen Jesus (Acts 1:21-25; 10:41) - thus leaving Paul out.

>>507807401
Thats what happened you retarded NPC. Are you so ignorant you believe everything youre told by pedophiles in scarlet and purple dresses with fish hats? Of course you are, all Catholics are braindead cultists.

>>507808034
No one is dodging anything. I don't argue with you on facts because you clearly demonstrate that you would not hear them even if I did. And I could easily do so because I used to be a Catholic apologist and know pretty much anything you would say.
What I am pointing out that your constant insistence on throwing out insults, lashing out pridefully, never even taking responsibility for your speech provides very poor witness to the faith you claim to represent.
>When someone starts quoting the Sermon on the Mount to dodge historical claims and shift focus to vibes and “unkindness,” it’s a retreat, not a rebuttal. Christ called the Pharisees whitewashed tombs and flipped tables. Truth isn’t invalidated by someone’s hurt feelings.
Christ did not make this argument. You do. Christ spoke with empathy. You argue as though empathy is some sort of vice, something to be shunned.
This is the fruit of your faith. I'm not the one who said by their fruits they shall be judged - Christ is. I find it interesting that you have to argue against the actions and attitudes Christ himself taught in order to continue in your arguments.
Charity is a virtue. Pride is a sin. You sure you're doing good here?

>>507785706 (OP)
>>507785894
>>507785955
Right.
Let's see what Saint Paisios has to say

>>507808426
Those aren’t contradictions, they’re selective readings ignoring context and genre differences. Galatians is a theological polemic, not a travel log, etc...

>>507808188
>On the flipside, Catholic Social Teaching emphasizes correction with gentleness (Galatians 6:1). If anon isn't practicing that, that's his internal problem, not the faith's.
I am trying to provide him correction with gentleness. He does not realize the damage he does to the Catholic faith by witnessing to it in this manner.
It has nothing to do with me or my feelings whatsoever. I assure you I've heard far worse.

>>507808621
Wow, great argument. Wait there is none, just name calling, because you don't have one.

Jesus didn't exist. There is evidence that Paul did exist under the name Simon Magus. See Robert M Price's book The Amazing Collosal Apostle. The christianities that existed before the supposed jesus was historicized were pretty diverse and none of them could be called Catholic or Protestant. And sll of them were started by jewish bullshit artist "holymen."

>>507808660
You keep conflating firmness with pride and rebuke with sin. Christ commanded fraternal correction (Matthew 18:15–17), publicly rebuked error (Matthew 23), and showed no tolerance for those who twisted doctrine. Quoting Christ while dismissing clear historical rebuttals is not virtue but evasion dressed in sentiment.

why haven't you taken the baháʼí pill yet anon? god is everywhere and his love is eternal :)

>>507809147
You are dancing around your lack of empathy, drawing distinctions where Christ didn't make them.
Christ was firm with the pharisees. He did not call his fellow travelers retards and shitheads and try to bully them with educated words and arguments. He always displayed empathy, even dealing with His attackers. "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do."

Don't try to excuse your poor behavior by twisting what Jesus did. You will answer to him for every stray word and every soul you pushed away from him someday.

>>507808844
It has been expalined to you repeatedly, but you are incapable of understanding it. You Catholics should be mocked and ridiculed for your ignorance. You cunts have always been part of the problem, I consider you an enemy.

>>507808304
Catholics do not pray *to* Mother Mary. Prayer directed to the Blessed Virgin is not an act of adoration. Its formal object is not to solicit a grace from her as if she were its source. Rather, it is an act of veneration that petitions for her intercession.

To put this in the modernist Jungian/JBP terminology so well understood these days: You are praying with the psychological pattern that represents the Blessed Virgin in mind as an act of intercession between you and the Logos. Why do this? Because the psychological pattern established by the Blessed Virgin is highly likely to be more attuned to the Logos than your average lay person could ever hope to be.

Catholics call this "Dulia" and it's what is happening when all Catholics "pray with a saint".

>>507809452
You’re putting words in my mouth I never used. I never called anyone a retard or a shithead—you're fabricating quotes to score a moral point. If you need to invent offenses to justify your scolding, maybe reconsider who’s actually being dishonest in this exchange.

>>507809605
Waiting on your point and some facts/citations to back it up...

>>507809684
My mistake - you didn't call anyone "shithead."
But you absolutely called me a retard in our very first exchange and I've seen you say the same to others so don't lie. >>507801636

It's not that I'm upset about it. I'm a big boy and post here often. It's that you are here acting as a representative of Christ and should represent Him better than this.
Because we answer to Him someday for every soul we've pushed away.
You want to talk about firm corrections made in love -- that is all I am doing here. You can take it or leave it.

>>507801663
Catholics can't answer this question.
As an Orthodox Christian, my priest says that if the Metropolitan starts spouting heresy, our parish won't go along with it.
The Metropolitan says that if the Patriarch starts spouting heresy, then the Archdiocese of North America won't go along with it.

has worked for 2000 years and our Church, the true Church, isn't gay as aids.

https://youtu.be/GOYa4dtuq18

>>507808764
The difference is Galatians is a historical writing of Paul while the author of Luke-Acts never knew him. But it's useless presenting you with facts. You'll hand wave everything away because it doesn't agree with what you believe.

>>507809873
I'll leave it because it's out of context. Again, you're just tone policing out of context when everyone here is having a good time. You're just a sour puss. Go away.

>>507810034
Okay LARPer.

>>507809616
Just pray to jesus directly. This is like having an appointment with the ceo but choosing to talk to the receptionist instead.

>>507810024
Wrong again. The author of Luke-Acts explicitly traveled with Paul—see the “we” passages (e.g., Acts 16:10–17, 20:5–15, 21:1–18).

>>507809726
Why would I spoon feed a cultist shit-for-brains, theres no point, youre just another a mindless drone, a hellbound NPC with no internal monologue

>>507785706 (OP)
You worship a schizophrenic circumcised brown jewish rabbi. The future of your religion is sub-saharan niggers and mestizos from latam. All the leading Nazi leaders detested your slave morality filth.

>>507810179
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>>507810153
It's more like, you are a native English speaker, but the CEO is a native Japanese. You have a cursory understanding of Japanese language and culture (you took a class or two and know some basic things about the culture). You could of course use that to try to speak to the CEO directly, which is absolutely valid, but perhaps you have something very complicated to express to the CEO and would like to have the CEO's best friend (who also happens to speak English fluently and know your culture) in the room to make up for any shortcomings in your manner of communication.

catholicism was started by judeo romans

who killed the real christians (gnostics) and destroyed gospels

>>507810154
the we passages are a literary convention it adds a certain "vividness" to the picture and secondly, since the "we" meant, like "us" in Luke 1:1, the Gentile Christians, the vividness was a way to represent their spiritual journey. It's only used around the sea passages. Even if you set all that aside it proves absolutely nothing about who the author actually is. Another hand wave.

>>507810629
Nope. No evidence of this, complete garbage take.

>>507810307
Yes, I know you have aphantasia, the mark of an NPC. Catholics are empty, beguiled by the pageantry of pedophiles in flowing gowns

>>507810739
That’s conjecture, not evidence. There's zero ancient textual support for “we” being a literary device.

>>507785706 (OP)
Based. The absolute worst protestants are the Calvinists, aka the father of wagecucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyfRgL1u2R0

>>507785706 (OP)
MY POPE IS ST PETER
MY MIND IS MY OWN CHURCH

>>507810830
No more conjecture than saying because whoever wrote it used the word "we" that means it has to be the Luke you want it to be. Not that there will ever be anything to make you doubt, because you're not interested in anything that counters your beliefs.

>>507811019
I really just like saying that.

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>>507811072
Dude, I have all of history and tradition on my side, as well as biblical scholarship. You have 'just trust me bro.' Get a life.

>>507811072
This is about his own pride, not about any actual adherence to Truth, interest in the facts, or actual love of Christ.
If he loved Christ he'd do as Christ taught. And he straight up dismisses that with the waive of a hand.
It's typical of Catholics and one of the biggest reasons I left the Catholic church years ago. Because that's the fruit of the Catholic faith.

>>507811626
>Dude, I have all of history and tradition on my side, as well as biblical scholarship. You have 'just trust me bro.' Get a life.
I accept your concession. What do you think "tradition" is you mental midget

>>507811689
I said I'm not a Christian. Try reading, if you can get your head out of your own ass long enough.

>>507811847
I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about the person you are arguing with.

>>507785706 (OP)
>Catholicism was started by Jesus Christ.

No, "Catholicism" was started by a Fifth Columnist disruptor [sent in by the Council of the Sanhedrin], named "Saul of Tarsus", to infiltrate and destroy the nascent Christian religion.

Saul of Tarsus then took with him Simon-Peter, to the Northwest, where they settled in Rome, to create a bizarre form of legalism, which bears little if any resemblance to Christianity.

What the Council of the Sanhedrin didn't know was that Jesus had already anticipated an insurgent Fifth Columnist, and that Jesus had chosen a young boy, named, "John", to be his true disciple.

After Jesus's ascension, John then fled to the EAST, where he was safe from the Council of the Sanhedrin, and set up shop there [in what is now modern day "Turkey"].

Pretty much the entirety of what we know as "Christianity" is actually the work of John, the "Gnostic Gospelist".

Whereas everything written by Saul of Tarsus is not to be trusted.

At the Last Supper, John was so young that he couldn't even keep his eyes open, as the older men talked at the dinner table, and John quietly fell asleep in Jesus's arms.

>>507811885
Oh, my apologies then.

>>507811847
What happens when you die?

>>507811996
All good man.
See? Even there you have more humility than this good "Christian."

>>507812006
>What happens when you die?
I'm not sure, but I do think something does. Several life experiences have convinced me this isn't the base reality.

>>507785894
You mean the one, holy, *catholic* and apostolic Church?

Bro, we are the Catholics. The Romans are papists, pedophiles, communists, sodomites, cryptojews and bankers. 'Pope' Francis was a marxist faggot.

>>507785924
You're inbred retards who fuck as many children as the Jews. Find Christ or fuck off, Mahmood

I don't know who started Protestantism, but I wouldn't be surprised if it had been a degenerate, considering how fond they are of pedophilia

>>507812200
Hace you read the Bible? And if so what version?

>>507812514
If you molest children you were never a Christian to begin with

>>507812840
Parts. King James mainly, but also the Jerusalem and new american

>>507805397
The Greek Orthodox. The Bible was written in Greek, not Latin.

>>507813238
I encourage you to keep reading and finish the Bible. Pray to God often as well. Pray for anything that comes to mind and pour your heart out to God. God will hear your prayers and provide consolation when you need it. I prefer reading the KJV

>>507813709
While I'm very happy to share the many doctrinal, canonical, ecclesiastical and ecumenical victories with my Orthodox brothers, it feels odd to me that you would claim this as a specifically Greek Orthodox accomplishment just because of a linguistic accident. Yes, the oldest known manuscripts of the Holy Scriptures are all penned in Greek, including the Old Testament despite us knowing for a fact that it was not originally written in this language, but is this sufficient reason for you to claim ownership over the canon? Sounds very odd to me.

>>507813088
Not even the vilest of sinners can sin more than what God can forgive.

>>507814724
I think it's an oversimplification to say either Catholics or Orthodox are responsible for the canon, personally.
Catholics and Orthodox (and Protestants who actually know what they're talking about) will point out that, in the beginning, there was Tradition. That was it. Paradosis.
As time went on, gospels and epistles were written which may or may not have been penned by the authors they were attributed to. Authorship didn't matter as much as whether what was written reflected the paradosis that was handed down, by which the true faith was known.
A few centuries later, Christianity became legalized.The established church, whatever that might be, was called together by the emperor to sort out the question of the scriptures. Put simply, they canonized the books which were already considered "scripture" that reflected oral tradition as agreed upon by the collected representatives of the church. That's it. They didn't become scripture because of the council (they were already reckoned as such) so much as the church took a formal position that *these* were the books it would be recognizing moving forward.
Many Christians want to claim it was an infallible process but there's no reason to believe it so. It was just the books they had which they agreed reflected tradition as they understood it.
The difference between Catholics/Orthodox and Protestants is that the former believe there can be traditions not reflected by Scripture while the latter believe traditions which aren't reflected in Scripture are not authoritative because oral tradition has a tendency to evolve and change like a big ol' game of telephone.
But the mistake people make is in treating Scripture as a source document in and of itself, which it never was meant to be. It's just the best intact reflection of the original paradosis that we have.

>>507814861
Yes but you are not a saved born again Christian if you continue to willfully sin

>>507815748
One of the core Christian beliefs that happens to be held and retained by all three of the groups, Orthodox Catholic and Protestant, is that the Holy Scriptures are directly inspired by God. So much that we call it the Word of God. The Orthodox teach that the Holy Spirit, who spoke through the prophets, can literally be attributed as the ultimate author, as He inspired the Apostles etc to write the Scripture. It was also not an accident or a human initiative that those exact books just so happened to end up in the Canon of Holy Scripture agreed by the One Universal Church. God is not so careless.

Christ God is the Head of the Church. He directs all things. He is active, right now sitting at the right hand of the Father. Protestants often seem to rationally accept and even profess the idea that God is Omnipotent, that Christ is the Head of the Church, etc, but their theological conclusions and their faith practices don't seem to reflect that belief. Like they don't understand what it means.

>>507815990
I'm not sure if I completely agree, though I understand what you're saying and am at least in partial agreement. Following the Lord certainly results in outward signs, St. Paul even enumerates the fruits of the Holy Spirit. But it may be the case that someone is possessed by evil, or is so hardened by sin and ignorance as to not be culpable in God's eyes. What we judge imperfectly, God judges perfectly. God wills the salvation of all souls, and we all share this hope. The Catholic Church will tell you the names of some people She knows for a fact that are in God's Kingdom, but She is silent on those in Hell.

>>507815990
I know an awful lot of "born again" "Christians" who are objectively sinners.
It would be dishonest to suggest you yourself don't sin, either.

>>507816451
This is true. I'm mostly speaking from a more secular outsider view (to be clear, I'm a former hardcore Catholic, moved toward Anglicanism for a bit, still believe deeply in Christ, but am trying to sort where I actually stand).
The Orthodox probably are the closest. I find their arguments more convincing than anything I've seen in the West. And I agree with what you're saying in terms of inspiration but, without quite knowing how to put it, I don't think inspiration always feels "inspired" if you catch my meaning.
Things happen and they are God's will and the inspired nature of them doesn't always become apparent until much later.

>>507794728
how BOUT no faggy guitar masses and masses in every language? and no 'extraordinary ministers' or the general disrespect/ careless attitude towards sacraments (i.e communion in the hand)

>>507816838
>I find their arguments more convincing than anything I've seen in the West
That's great but it's not about arguments, God is experienced. For me it definitely helped in the beginning to answer my many questions that I felt everyone else had lacking answers to... but we are not omniscient and all-wise, our reason is fallible and has limits; most importantly human reason cannot heal our broken nature. Only God can do that, and we have to meet Him, in the Church, in prayer, in fasting, in the Holy Mysteries (Sacraments).

You should go to Orthodox services, find them that are done all or mostly in English. Try Antiochian, OCA, or Greek parishes.
May the Lord God bless you in your search for the truth.

>>507815748
>I think it's an oversimplification to say either Catholics or Orthodox are responsible for the canon, personally.
Given the Catholic understanding of itself, the canon invariably is a result of the "universal church". But this is very semantic.
>But the mistake people make is in treating Scripture as a source document in and of itself, which it never was meant to be. It's just the best intact reflection of the original paradosis that we have.
I'm in total agreement with you on this. And that is particularly evident in how Christianity was evangelised through Europe (and the rest of the world). The Sacred Scriptures aren't exactly the goal of the faith, and the Scriptures by themselves seldom convert.

>>507817278
See, I was arguing with a Catholic apologist earlier and was accused of tone-policing him. But it was the lack of charity and humility I took issue with; that need to be right without consideration of the human being on the other side of the conversation.
But what you have offered here is what an earnest Christian answer sounds like to me. Thank you for that. I will consider attending a Divine Liturgy soon; pray that God might grant me the grace to follow through.
God bless you.

>>507785706 (OP)
God bless you anon

>>507811313
Nunduck artist? ^-^

>>507817396
>Given the Catholic understanding of itself, the canon invariably is a result of the "universal church". But this is very semantic.
It's true. I'm more nitpicking there than anything I guess; I suppose my issue there is with confusing institutions as they've developed with what they once were, long ago.
People often want to act like they remain the same when they very much do not.

>>507786080
>>507786886
>>507788314
>>507789170
God bless you anons. Remember to attend Mass this weekend

>>507785706 (OP)
The church is within you. The Roman Catholic Red Devil Child Trafficking Cult is the Federal Reserve form 1040 at gunpoint of you. Dab and T on Destroyed ((((ass)))). Withhold all childs.

>>507817808
While I as a Catholic am very susceptible to maximalist institutional positions on the faith, and while I do, perhaps a bit too pridefully, profess at least some degree of Catholic supremacy, I share your weariness with these kinds of institutional claims. I have come to accept that God isn't the property of the Catholic Church, even if it is quite evident to me that it is there where He is the most, given the sheer frequency of phenomena like Eucharistic miracles. But it is clear to me that the Orthodox are in no way lesser brothers and that their faith traditions should be preserved for the good of the Universal Church. I'm still trying to figure out protestants though.

>>507817499
Lord have mercy.

fun fact, in koine Greek, the word for mercy sounds very close to the word for oil, which both historically and scripturally is linked to healing. So when we repeat Lord have mercy so many times in the services, it's absolutely meant that way as a play on words, to ask not just for mercy referring to a sense of justice, but healing for our souls.

>>507816822
They are not born again if they continue to sin willfully. I admit I still have sins that I am trying to rid myself of. I still waste time, I still have lust, I get angry, I get nervous and I get anxious. But I still carry on and repent of my sins and ask for forgiveness. Praying for the Holy Spirit and to keep me from sin. 1 Corinthians 10:13

>>507818510
I don't have much more to add to this conversation (it's late and my brain is shutting down) but I just wanted to say that, like the Orthodox poster, you have also responded with a charity and humility that I very much appreciate and hope I can reflect in my own life. I've been sour dealing with Catholics for a while now but interactions like this one remind me that I'm a bit too tough at times; it's heartwarming to be reminded that there actually *is* good fruit in your Church as well.
Thank you for standing as a testament to that. And on that note, good night!

>>507818627
I've actually been to Divine Liturgy a number of times and have been studying it for the better part of 20 years.
But studying is not understanding. I have a strong degree of social anxiety and it's tough to get myself to church at times, especially one that is culturally "foreign" in so many ways (not the liturgy itself, which I adore, so much as the actual cultural aspects of a parish).
And I was not aware of the play on words! Very interesting! I would have never imagined it was an anointing of sorts but that makes perfect sense liturgically.

>>507818510
What is there to figure out about protestants? We believe in the Bible and obey what God says.

>>507819271
Been there and done that, social anxiety and all.
Antiochian churches are mostly converts at this point, might be first place to check.
Also if you are that experienced with the "liturgics" but want more of the "experience" perhaps you can plan to go to a monastery. There are OCA monasteries that serve in English. St Gregory Palamas monastery is Greek and does everything in English, it is a popular pilgrimage site.

>>507819557
To be fair, Protestants are a wide spectrum. Sadly, there's a tendency to judge the whole by the extremes and strawmen.

>>507818845
Every person on earth sins willfully.

>>507819707
We have a number where I am. An OCA-aligned Romanian church is closest but that one is so ethnic that the website isn't even in English. Second closest is Greek. Equidistant from me there are actually two Antiochian churches - one Antiochian-proper and the other Western Rite (which I'm inclined to go with because of the cultural thing but hesitate on the grounds that I might do myself a disservice not being immersed in the fullness of Eastern orthopraxy - plus I'm not unaware how the Western Rite are viewed by much of the rest of the church).
Guess the key is to pick one and go.

>>507792680
Abraham PIMPED HIS WIFE!!!

Christianity, like anything from Abraham, is Jewish.

>>507785706 (OP)
>Jesus was the first Christian.

>>507817278
You believe a virgin gave birth you retard.

>>507819557
I don't wish to be polemical, brother, that is not my intention. Though admittedly I was being cheeky with that remark. My only contact with protestantism is online, it is nothing that exists in my physical reality, and as the other anon said, it is very easy to be bombarded with the worst possible examples and formulate a kind of hyperreality in your head. And while I do not think protestantism is entirely unsophisticated, there are some core tenants which I simply find very puzzling. Though I'm sure the Lord is with you all, as the fruits of the Holy Spirit can indeed be identified in plenty of our protestant brothers.

>>507819786
Ephesians 4:22-24
22That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1 John 1:5-7
5¶This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

>>507820156
Put it this way: if you want the medicine that is proven to work for 2000 years, don't try to change the prescription by going to an unproven Liturgical style that just so happens to bring with it lots of questionable aspects of Roman Catholicism, including the Sacred Heart cult, etc.
That issue is for the Bishops to decide, not me, but these things take time, and the western rite is a fairly new development. To me I don't think the fruits are the same so far, so I see no reason not to just be Orthodox as it has always been.
I would go to the normal Antiochian and the Greek parishes in that order.
And pray. Pick up an Orthodox prayer book in their bookstore if you don't already have one

>>507820773
how's that working out for you?

>>507785706 (OP)
>Catholicism was started by Jesus Christ
>was actually started by disciple Paul in an effort to preserve his station for fellow kikes in perpetuity
It is a sin to lie, faggot OP. Catholicism is a heathen religion and so is it's rotten branch of protestantism.

>>507786139
>Christianity was started by Shimon Bar Yonah
Sounds grim.

>>507785706 (OP)
>>507786294
>>507815990
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>>507815748
Hitler was Catholic.

>>507785706 (OP)
Cathcuck Nazis sent jews to Palestine, helping them form the state of Israel.

Pagan Nazis gassed jews during the Final Solution.

Which do you think is better?

>>507821347
Pajeet

>>507820332
The irony of that meme is the guy who speared Jesus converted

>>507821129
Builds faith

>>507785706 (OP)
Sorry, but Catholics were the first Protestants.

No one can seriously understand Catholic doctrine and not think it's absolutely insane.

Eastern Christianity makes actual sense. All Western Christianity feels like it's missing something.
>>507785894
based

>>507821129
>>507822050
The true religion is Germanic Paganism.

>>507822050
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me"

Except fly.

We have to be realistic here. You are not a Saint, though you are called to be. And ironically, the Saints would be the first ones to declare themselves unworthy wicked sinners. That's what makes them Saints!

>>507822206
Read the Bible and then get back to me

>>507822316
Germany made Christianity into what it is today.
Jews wanted to make Christianity to convert Germans.
So Saints were created such as St. Michael.

>>507822206
LARP.

If there was an actually authentic form of Germanic Paganism then maybe you could make some sort of argument, but literally everything we know about Germanic religion was written down by Christians.

Every single Germanic Pagan sect is just reconstructing from that, and filling in the blanks with bullshit where it isn't written down because the reality of any religion is you need an actual living tradition, and that stopped existing when the Germanic people converted.

>>507785706 (OP)
Those churches are tens of thousnads of years older then the abrahamic kike religion and thier true purpose hidden beneath a false slave and evil religion.

You will never be told the truth or even know it because your soul is being sealed and soon stolen away.

Just know that aether is real, energy is infinite, sound/vibration is power, sun is magic, souls are real, and viruses are fake.

>>507822442
>created
lol

>>507822316
>>507822364
>>507822442
I agree on the correct interpretation of the Bible.
I am also saying that Christianity is a foreign religion.
White people from the Middle East pushed it upon us.

>>507822576
>>507822487
>>507822451

Europeans killed us to turn us into Christians, at the direct request of the jews.
The jews stayed in the back and egged soldiers on.
Just like Ukraine vs Russia.

>>507785706 (OP)
1pbtid

>>507810598
>god won't understand

catholicism is misdirection of good will

do not seek guidance to find god
seek god and find guidance

sage

>>507822833
There were ZERO voluntary Germanic conversions? Unlikely.

Regardless, Germanic Paganism is dead, I'm sorry, but you cannot refute that fact.

Did you know that the war of Catholics vs Prussia and Baltics lasted over 400 years?
We fought to keep our faith.
Christians waged unlimited war against us at the behest of jews .

>>507822316
Jesus can give me the ability to fly. >>507819786
Also, 1 John clearly states that those who sin do not know God and that those who sin are of the devil. Those who”saints” you’re talking about were of the devil and were slaves to sin
1 John 3:6–10

6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

John 8:34–36

34 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

>>507822994
Yes Germans that sacked Rome had converted to Arian Christianity.

>>507822994
>>507823153
Perhaps that was the reason they did not maintain their strength.

>>507785706 (OP)
Greek Orthodox is the original church.

The Catholics split off and strayed from the traditions such as forcing priest to be celebrate so to take their stuff when they die.

>>507823071
Slavs are all Pagan today because of Christian faggots.
Fuck Christianity.
It is a false religion.

>>507785706 (OP)
>>507823326
>>507823149
>>507822994
>>507822857
Christianity is false.

Christianity was Paganized by Germans.
The saints are German Gods put into Catholicism.
The true Religion is Germanic Paganism

>>507817887
Without fail mass is my weekly highlight.

>>507823326
Priests aren't forced they choose celibacy. Plenty of deacons in the church.

>>507785706 (OP)
Hitler was Catholic. The truth is Pagan.
Break off from Church, Synagogue, Mosque.
We don't need them.

Catholicism gets you South America
Protestantism gets you North America
It's that simple

>>507822994
Zero voluntary conversions is right

>>507824337
You don't know what you're talking about spic

>>507824082
Pagans worship the same demons as the Babylon jews.

>>507824982
Wrong.
Pagans worship Universe.
All real men agree, we are all Pagan of any race...
Judaism is a Pagan religion for jews.
They impose on us with Christianity and Islam.

>>507824982
Jews believe in Moloch Baal Saturn.

>>507824982
>>507825124
>>507825428
The religion of Judaism is Saturn summoning and Saturn worship.
So they put Islam and Christianity onto us.
Both are foreign religions to the human race and have no place on Earth.

>>507825508
>>507825428
>>507825124
>>507824982
All 3
Religions must be gone with.

The real religion is Germanic Paganism.

>>507785706 (OP)
catholicsm was started by constantine you dumb cunt

>>507825904
The only religion is Germanic Paganism.

>>507825904
>>507826132
>>507825573
Germanic Paganism
Hyperboreanism.
Check it out, be a God.

>>507826132
The truth of the Bible is self evident. You should read it while there is still time

>>507785706 (OP)
>the physical church is holy
No.
>the PHYSICAL Bible is holy
No.
>our garbs and ornaments are holy
No.
>this gay water is holy
No.
>these bones and foreskins of dudes are holy
No.
>people in the Catholic hierarchy are holy
NOPE.

Catholicism is just a mirror of the NT jews (Pharisees, Sadducees, etc). Worried more about traditional and rituals than the actual Word.

>>507826234
>>507826132
Y'all are the white supremacist version of the new wave hippies that seethe about the aztecs and native americans, your reasonings and beliefs have nothing to offer nor anything unique since it's just european indigenism, plus, any form of neopaganism is hermeneutically indebted with the Christians that documented the traditions, if they hadn't y'all wouldn't even have something to talk about.

>>507823326
if catholics split off why do the other ones need to call themselves "orthodox"? it's like a communist country calling itself "democratic"

>>507826516
If ignorance was a post