Thread 508900518

>The ancient Greeks practiced an institutionalized form of pederasty where men were paired with boys in a sexualized, pedagogical relationship
>In Rome it was common for men to have sexual relations with boys, including various emperors; although later laws prohibited sex with freeborn boys, these laws were rarely enforced
>The majority of men in Renaissance Florence according to court records were implicated in sodomy with boys
>In Japan both Buddhist monks and Samurai practiced ritualized pederasty, these relationships were characterized by intense, mutual love; the practice continued until the Meiji era
>The Chinese practiced it for millennia, only gave it up in the 19th century due to upsetting Westerners
>Accepted practice in Korea for millennia, kings and nobility openly kept "boy-wives"
>The ancient Celts practiced pederasty according to various Greek and Roman sources
>Until the 19th century, it was common in Muslim societies; attraction to boys was viewed as common and comparable to attraction to women; although technically forbidden by the law, men still had sexual relations with boys
>Various tribes in Papua New Guinea believe pairing a man with a boy to anally or orally "inseminate" them is necessary for their development
>During the Nazi expedition to Tibet, it was discovered that pederasty was widespread among the monks
>Missionaries during the sixteenth and seventeenth century noted that pederasty was common among the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incans
>Countless other societies and many tribes around the world are noted by ethnographers to practice or have practiced pederasty

Yet today, the practice is universally abhorred, the attraction viewed as aberrant, and instead of being viewed as a positive relationship which is conducive to a boy's development, pederastic relationships are invariably viewed as corruptive.

Why was this so common in the past? Why did people believe that these relationships were somehow beneficial to a boy's development?

>>508900518 (OP)
Hey rabbi watcha doin?

>>Until the 19th century, it was common in Muslim societies
It still is today

>>508900518 (OP)

Hey kike. What museum is hosting this artifact that doesn't seem to have any usage?

>>508900606
I'm not advocating for it, I'm just amazed at how common it was historically after reading into it. Most of these societies actually believed that pairing men with boys in a sexual relationship helped the boy's development.

>>508900518 (OP)
Basically there weren't studies and experts telling you about brain development and consent. Also traditionally people were seen as property, so rights and agency were hardly considered.

I read homer and there is 0 homosexual story...

>>508900518 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNAT4ybsz_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QVh3kj7CjA

>>508900518 (OP)
It's just that other, secret side a lot of white people have. It is a a lot like the gay thing in America where fags reproduce by touching kids, right? So there HAS to be a surprising about of American whites who have indeed molested their own children in secret if there are so many fags everywhere. There is no other explaination. Makes you kind of look at white people a lot differently than you used to in light of that.

>>508901036
He mentions the myth of Ganymede and Zeus, where Zeus abducts Ganymede after being captured by his beauty, although in the version of the story that Homer recounts, Ganymede was abducted to be his wine-bearer. In later stories, it's more explicit that he was abducted to be Zeus' lover. Most scholars agree that the practice of institutionalized pederasty developed after Homer's time.

>>508901127
Leather Apron Club's videos on homosexuality are poorly researched and most of his conclusions are incorrect:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gc4_36INQ5A

>>508901611
I'd rather trust leather apron guy that looks human compared to some dysgenic ginger jew with an afro.

>>508901763
Here's a right-wing eugenicist debunking Leather Apron Club:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMs4ijjWA60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB6Bk38xxis

>>508900518 (OP)
Parasites in their bodies influencing them to do immoral acts such as homosexual pedo stuff. It was also so the parasites themselves could spread to non-infected younger men corrupting them and as they grow up the now grown man does the same thing to a young man as well keeping the cycle of infection going. Once you research how there is a strong link between parasites and homosexual behavior you finally see what is truly going on.

>>508900518 (OP)
Because boys need a mature male role model to mentor him into adulthood. The boy sexo was optional. Now we live in a world of simps who give gorillion dollars to women and niggers infest our cities because no white men have a backbone anymore to depose the jews in power.

>>508901879
>Faceless weeb with a nasal voice.
Is this your best? A jew and a subhuman?

>>508900518 (OP)
>Why the fuck was pederasty so
It wasn’t. Deep friendship between mentor and protégé has been turned into buttfucking by jews.

>>508900518 (OP)
Debunked faggot propaganda.
The common feeling that faggots are unnatural degenerates is not a modern invention. It is inherent to all people. You have to force people to accept faggots by threatening their social standing.

Faggotry is unnatural and repulsive, and it always has been.

>>508900518 (OP)
I occasionally larp as a pedo to troll feds and boomers, but irl I can't understand the appeal. Kids are loud, unsanitary, disease-ridden psychopaths. I don't even like being in the same room as them. Pedos probably become pedos due to childhood trauma, which the Greeks perpetually inflicted through generational rape.

>>508900518 (OP)
You’re overstating it, but boys are much prettier and more feminine looking than grown men and there’s always been horny freaks. Not hard to figure out

>>508900518 (OP)
It's natural

>>508902092
amen, this anon gets it, every single time a kike well poisoner presents this argument i always say the same shit, post a source of this, pre 1800s.
I never get a reply and when i get its mostly chutzpah.
Kikes are just defamating "masters" and think that they can pull strings, when in reality they only affect the half taught nigger level IQ's.
Now that everyone has easy access to non chutzpah education its over for the mainstream kike lies.
Nobody will ever believe them, they'll just ask gronk or the next weaponized autist made AI that would collapse society.

>>508902374
It's not propaganda. The Greeks were renowned for practicing pederasty even by the Romans. Anyone who has any familiarity with Greek texts knows that it was an actual practice. The three most famous Greek philosophers (Socrates, Plato, Aristotle) all talk about pederasty, and Greek texts tell us that the practice was common and legal in most cities:
>[12] It seems to me that something must also be said about the love of boys; for this too has a bearing on education. The other Greeks either do as the Boeotians do, where man and boy are joined as couples and live together, or like the Eleans, who get to enjoy the charms of boys by making them grateful; there are also those who wholly prevent boy-lovers from conversing with boys.
>[13] But Lycurgus’ views were opposed to all of these: if a man who was decent and upright admired the soul of a boy and tried to spend time with him and to make him his friend without bringing blame on him, he approved this and called it the noblest form of education; if, on the other hand, someone seemed to lust after a boy’s body, he laid down that this was the most shameful of all things and that in Lacedaemon boy-lovers should keep their hands off boys just as parents do not lay hands on their own children or brothers on their own brothers.
>[14] It does not, however, surprise me that certain people do not believe this: in most of the Greek cities the laws do not oppose men’s desire for boys. Thus the Laconian education system, as well as that of the other Greeks, has been explained. Which of them produces men who are more trustworthy and more modest and more self-controlled when it is necessary, anyone who is interested may judge for himself.
Xenophon, Constitution of the Lacedaemonians

Society is governed by pedophile sodomites under a fascistic system

Homofascism facilitates the worldview of many once you get past a certain tax bracket and take oaths amongst the brotherhood

the ancient world presented a more graphic picture but the underbelly remains and will persist

*not to be confused with symbols branded on lolcows

>>508900518 (OP)
It wasn't common. That's a myth spread by faggots

Just give in there is nothing else left to do just give in

>>508900518 (OP)
Only elites do it today without repercussions see Epstein

>>508902925

>tfw the swastika represents submission to the Big Black Cock

>>508902818
Nice, more lacaedemonian propaganda against the other Greek city states there kike anon, care to post Solons laws from athens of the same era real quick.
KEEEEK

>>508900518 (OP)
Approximately 3-4 percent of the total population is gay. It has been like this historically too. Faggots be fagging.

>>508903866
Solon's laws only prohibited a slave from having sexual relations with a freeborn boy. Solon was known to be a boy-lover and wrote love poetry about boys, which we only have one small surviving fragment.
>Solon's mother, according to Herakleides Pontikos, was a cousin of the mother of Peisistratos. And they were at first great friends, much because of their kinship, and much because of the youthful beauty of Peisistratos, with whom, as some say, Solon was passionately in love. And this may be the reason why, in later years, when they were at variance about matters of state, their enmity did not bring with it any harsh or savage feelings, but their former amenities lingered in their spirits, and preserved there, “smouldering with a lingering flame of Zeus-sent fire,” the grateful memory of their love.

>And that Solon was not proof against beauty in a youth, and made not so bold with Love as ‘to confront him like a boxer, hand to hand,’ may be inferred from his poems. He also wrote a law forbidding a slave to practise gymnastics or have a boy lover, thus putting the matter in the category of honorable and dignified practices, and in a way inciting the worthy to that which he forbade the unworthy.

>And it is said that Peisistratos also had a boy lover, Charmos, and that he dedicated the statue of Love in the Academy, where the runners in the sacred torch race light their torches.
- Plutarch, Life of Solon

>"...While one loves boys among the lovely flowers of youth,
>Desiring their thighs and sweet mouths."
- Solon, fragment

>>508900861
>i-its fake!
cope

>>508905005
>As some say
>Love
>Boy lover, Plutarch life of Solon.
>Solon fragment.
First of all describe love and then see the etymological meaning of the word eros.
Then again, typicall chutzpah without any handheld references.
Like where and when did Plutarch (out of all other historians) mentioned boy lovers?
The mutt brain is so degenerate that it cant comprehend a non sexual relatioship between a mentor and a student, its just impossible to them.
Could be genetics, could be kike interactions, who knows.
Solon passed laws that made pederasts lose all citizen rights thus demoting the degenerates to slave statuses, thats right, he also made it illegal for pederasts to be in close proximity of public gymnasiums and baths.
Kys well poisoning kike
Επικαλούμενος νομικές διατάξεις που αποδίδονται στο Σόλωνα, τον διάσημο αρχαίο νομοθέτη, ο Αισχίνης ευθαρσώς καταρρίπτει το μύθο της ομοφυλοφιλίας στην αρχαία Αθήνα!

Οι κυρώσεις που προβλέπει η αθηναϊκή νομοθεσία για όσους συνάπτουν ομοφυλοφιλικές σχέσεις είναι οι ακόλουθες:

Δεν του επιτρέπεται να γίνει μέλος των 9 αρχόντων.
Δεν του επιτρέπεται να εκλεγεί ιερέας.
Δεν του επιτρέπεται να είναι συνήγορος του λαού.
Δεν επιτρέπεται να ασκεί εξουσία εντός ή εκτός της Αθήνας.
Δεν επιτρέπεται να σταλεί ως κήρυκας πολέμου.
Δεν επιτρέπεται να εκθέσει γνώμη (ως άμουσος – ανισόρροπος).
Δεν επιτρέπεται να μπει σε (δημόσιους) Ναούς.
Δεν επιτρέπεται να στεφανωθεί στις στεφανοφορίες.

>>508906248
https://www.greek-language.gr/greekLang/ancient_greek/tools/corpora/anthology/content.html?t=6&m=1
>>508905005
Kikes are illiterate

>>508906248
>First of all describe love and then see the etymological meaning of the word eros.
The word eros almost always means amorous love when used in reference to other people. The word paiderastes and paiderastia were always used with a sexual connection:
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/wordfreq?lang=greek&lookup=paideraste%2Fw
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/wordfreq?lang=greek&lookup=paiderasti%2Fa

>Like where and when did Plutarch (out of all other historians) mentioned boy lovers?
In Love Stories, Amatorius, Alcibiades, Lycurgus, Pelopidas, Solon, Roman Questions and his Life of Alexander.

>Solon passed laws that made pederasts lose all citizen rights thus demoting the degenerates to slave statuses
No he didn't.

>thats right, he also made it illegal for pederasts to be in close proximity of public gymnasiums and baths
He made it illegal for pederasts to enter into gymnasiums to try to seduce boys, almost as if this were a massive problem in his time... Regardless, none of his laws prohibited the practice of pederasty, and he was known as a boy-lover who wrote love poetry about boys.

>>508900518 (OP)
>>508900606
Because a shit filled asshole is still cleaner than a white females pussy

>>508900518 (OP)
Might have something to do with all those sexy teen boys

>>508906248
Claiming that Solon's laws preventing pederasts from entering gymnasiums meant that pederasty was illegal is like claiming laws preventing men from entering into women's bathrooms implies heterosexuality is outlawed.

>>508901963
Holy schizophrenia. Have you ever thought that people just like sex? What the hell is this garbage

>>508901036
The guy literally calls himself homer. That’s probably the gayest name you can get.

>>508906248
Lmao it's the anon who can't read ancient Greek again :D hiii

>>508900518 (OP)
This is how ancient greek people look like thats why. Stop idolizing idiots.

>>508900518 (OP)
Thank, anon. You made an actually interesting post and used high-level English in your exposition. That is rare to find nowadays.
Good work

>>508900518 (OP)
>another faggot fetish thread
dead board.

>>508901963
A gay ass parasite just flew over my house.

>>508909700
No they didn't, the ancient Greeks were White. They had a massive empire which extended into Western Asia, which caused a massive genetic replacement due to immigration. The population today who are most genetically similar to the ancient Greeks are northern Italians, who are equidistant between southern Italians and Germans.

Do you really look at the picture you posted and think to yourself "yep, these guys were the progenitors of Western civilization"?

>>508909700
Greeks are based like my homie hygnos from kneppos
https://youtu.be/iUxX9IsGUBI

>>508909915
google greek people and you will see.

>>508900518 (OP)
it wasn't, at least not in ancient Greece. you've been struck by the history revisionism psyop

>>508909364
The argument isn't that you like it, the argument is why it is liked

>>508900518 (OP)
>Why the fuck was pederasty so common historically?
It wasn't. It was always a minority practice by deviants aka faggots. Next question.

>>508910466
Because sex feel amazing, it's like eating, urinating, shitting... it's what makes us human. It's not rocket science to know why we do it

>>508900518 (OP)
Fake christkike lore.

>>508910432
But every quote in this image besides the Plato one is taken out of context, and Plato was supportive of pederasty in his earlier works. Xenophon was quoting the views of Lycurgus, the lawgiver of Sparta in the passage here >>508902818, where he continues to state that most people disagree with his views, and that pederasty is legal in most cities. That quote by Alexander is in response to being offered to purchase two boys as sex slaves; Plutarch in the same work describes Alexander as a boy-lover:
>Moreover, when he came to the royal palace of Gedrosia, he once more gave his army time for rest and held high festival.
>We are told, too, that he was once viewing some contests in singing and dancing, being well heated with wine, and that his loved boy, Bagoas won the prize for song and dance, and then, all in his festal array, passed through the theatre and took his seat by Alexander's side; at sight of which the Macedonians clapped their hands and loudly bade the king kiss the victor, until at last he threw his arms about him and kissed him tenderly.

The quote attributed to Aristophanes is a quote by a character he wrote in a satirical play. Aesop only makes fun of passive homosexuals:
>When Zeus fashioned man he gave him certain inclinations, but he forgot about shame. Not knowing how to introduce her, he ordered her to enter through the rectum. Shame baulked at this and was highly indignant. Finally, she said to Zeus: ‘All right! I’ll go in, but on the condition that Eros doesn’t come in the same way; if he does, I will leave immediately.’ Ever since then, all homosexuals are without shame.

Aeschines was concerned with the fact that Timarchus engaged in prostitution, not homosexuality. Demosthenes actually implies that Aeschines himself made sexual comments towards Alexander the Great, when he was a ten-year-old, in Against Timarchus, the same speech that this quote comes from.

>>508910581
But imagine why it feels amazing

>>508910654
Aristotle's comment in Nicomachean Ethics on homosexuality is in reference to sexual passivity, which you conflate with pederasty because you do not have the same conception of homosexuality that the Greeks did. He actually makes a positive statement on pederasty in the same work:
>This type of friendship is perfect in terms both of duration and everything else, and in all cases such friends receive from each other the same thing or something quite similar, which is indeed what ought to be shared between friends. The type of friendship formed for pleasure bears similarity to this perfect type. For indeed, good men are pleasing to one another. Likewise, too, the type of friendship forged for advantage. For good men are also advantageous to one another. And it is true also in the case of men motivated by pleasure or advantage that friendships are most likely to endure when each gets the same thing from the other, such as pleasure, and also when it flows from the same source, such as happens between witty people but not between lover and beloved. For lover and beloved do not take pleasure in the same things: rather, the lover takes pleasure in gazing at his beloved, while the latter takes pleasure in the attentions of his lover. But when the beloved’s youthful beauty fades sometimes the friendship too fades. For now the lover does not find the boy pleasing to look at, and the boy receives no attention. But many couples continue the relationship, if, as a result of spending time together, they come to love each other’s character, because they are of similar character.

>But if their erotic relationship is characterized by an exchange of advantage rather than pleasure, the two are less friendly toward each other and the friendship lasts less long. Those who are friends for advantage cease to be friends when it ceases to be advantageous. For they are not friends of each other but friends of profit.

>>508909364
>>508910581
the body's sewage system is not a sex organ

>>508902818
>Socrates, Plato, Aristotle) all talk about pederasty
All 3 condemned homosexuality, buggery and sexual activity between a mentor and pupil.

>>508901963
This.but the parasite is not just physical. it is from the spirit (eather) realm.

>>508901611
And that change doesn't sound sketch to you? Interpretation is subject to the "academics" who are usually (((Subject matter experts)))

>>508900518 (OP)
Cuz bussy was straight bussin :/

>>508910937
Especially when they would love to emulate it openly. Closed doors already exists.

Globo empires are all the same thing. They never change and never will change until the messiah returns to end them and lift the curse from Eden. It’s all just Satanism.

>>508910850
Your hand isn't also

>>508910877
The historical view is that being in "the active position" was manly, and that being in the "passive position" was womanly and undignified.
So you can easily cherrypick bad translations that seem to support your position.

>>508900867
Ever wonder why God launched a meteor on Sodom and Gomorrah. Israel mightve been the only nation that didnt practice this degeneracy.

>>508910654
>>508910770
they had up to 8 different ways to describe love, each varying in definition, so your nu-translation is worthless. bonus:
>Those who cannot conceive Friendship as a substantive love but only as a disguise or elaboration of Eros betray the fact that they have never had a Friend. - C.S. Lewis

>>508910877
>All 3 condemned homosexuality
Aristotle never condemns pederasty, he speaks positively of it at least once. Plato only disavowed pederasty in his final work when he was bitter and old, in his earlier works he was supportive of the practice. Socrates' speeches on pederasty in Plato's works make it obvious that (1) Socrates was attracted to boys, and (2) pederasty was a widespread institutionalized practice in Classical Greece; his position that pederasty should be chaste ideally could only have been expounded in a society in which there was a widespread, institutionalized practice where men had sexual relations with boys.

>>508910770
gaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I want to find the story where the older figure wants to teach his younger student but the student just wants to fuck. Posting lines from that would sort this mess out.

I'd somehow understand it if teens looked like femboys. But 99% of them don't, even though they look less manly. And note that it wasn't just sex, but pseudo romantic, too


I wonder if sexuality and not just the expression of it has actually changed it over time. Apparently high test can also lead to bisexuality/homosexuality and maybe it was more common back then in warring societies. In such societies deeply bonding with men to the point of sexual and romantic attraction may have been an advantage

Endocrine disruptors (artificial chemicals that are ubiquitous in modern civilization and disrupt our hormonal system) may also be influencing modern sexuality.

>>508900518 (OP)
It surprises me every day how people on /pol/ can have fallen for yet another psyop given to you by the same "heckin science" kikes that you should know to instantly ignore.

https://youtu.be/BNAT4ybsz_E?si=lIS2u0COh_hKhtfq

>>508900606
A well deserved
fpbp
/thread

>>508910328
Ah, an 80iq ESL monkey living in a white country

>>508911507
Anyway seeing how little the average woman is attracted to the average man and how most of them are pseudolesbians, perhaps male bi/homo sexuality isn't that bad, as it allows you to forego women.

The obvious problem with pederasty is consent and imbalance of power. Were the boys into it? The answer isn't quite clear

>>508911976
Only in a minority of societies which have practiced pederasty were the boys described as unwilling participants. In Rome, for example, the boys were often, although not always, slaves. The way sexuality has been expressed in different societies throughout history is radically different to today. Here is a thread about it on /his/:
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17743362

>>508911251
You conflate 2 different meanings of pederasty aka mentorship and sexual relations (eros) therein
You conflate platonic and erotic love

>>508900518 (OP)
You are a paedophile

>>508912378
Show me a single example where the Greeks talk about the 'love of boys' in a non-sexual context.

>>508900518 (OP)
The interesting paet is that pedarasty is linked to homosexuality.

>>508912349
>Only in a minority of societies which have practiced pederasty were the boys described as unwilling participants

But that could easily be explained as bias. The adult men have the power and the adult men are the ones who can sway public opinion and write positive accounts about it

>>508912508
The frequently discuss different forms of love in various relationships
"Love of boys" specifically referred to homosexual noncery so your question is foolish.

>>508912245
Dropping them red pills

>>508912753
So where have I conflated erotic love with platonic love?

>>508912864
Throughout this thread
Eg "pederasty" literally means a mentor relationship between elder and younger male. It had no sexual nor deviant implication as so today ie homosexual hebeophilia etc
You seem unaware of this simple fact.
Btw I'm not denying such sexual relations occurred - I'm saying they were largely frowned upon by most people including the elites who frequently condemned mentor-pupil sexual relations..

>>508911535
This guy basically ignores bisexuality 99% of the time except for a very brief mention. He does so knowingly, because ignoring it allows him to attack a strawman: a society with so many homosexual men is an absurd idea. But no one is seriously making that claim, as far as we know, most men who engaged in same sex practices also engaged in heterosexual sex.

>Learn Latin because I'm white
>Read "Dinner of Trimalchio" from the Satryicon, in Latin
>the story opens up with him tossing rubber bouncing balls around with boys
>he pees in a silver pot a slave carries, washes his hands with water another slave carries, and dries his hands on a boy's hair
>his favorite boy is really ugly and rides around on a chariot
>in the middle of the book Trimalchio slips away and one of the guests calls him a "chickenkeeper" (gallineus, meaning pederast)
>in the last few pages Trimalchio's wife gets pissed because he's making out with his pretty boy slave
>wife mouths off
>Trimalchio throws a goblet at her face
>tries to explain that he's only making out with the boy because he's so frugal (Trimalchio is a former slave, his background is being an accountant that inherits a fortune)
>then proceeds into a rant about how great he is, delivers his own eulogy, telling his best friend to recite it at his funeral, then he literally plays dead "fingite me mortuum" and makes his slaves and friends cry and re-enact his funeral
>the trio of hooligans (the main characters) slip out when a slave brings out a funeral shroud

>>508913273
>Eg "pederasty" literally means a mentor relationship between elder and younger male.
>It had no sexual nor deviant implication
Yes it did, retard. You haven't read a single source related to this subject, stop posting.

>>508913547
>Yes it did, retard
Thanks for proving yourself a pseud and a coping homosexual

>>508911115
False. This is a deliberate misinterpretation by academia.
What we know is that ancient societies in Europe didn't view homosexuality as a sexual orientation.
For the submissive partner, it was a form of shameful emasculation.
But the dominant partner was not viewed as manly or acceptable. He was akin to a rapist. Much like the rapist stripped a woman and her family of their honor, the dominant partner stripped a man of his virtue.
Both sides carried stigma and we have evidence of both sides' punishment, but they were stigmatized and punished for different reasons.

>>508900518 (OP)
I am turning 35 in a little over a month and my husband just turned 19 a month and a half ago. AMA.
t. faggot

>>508913994
>and my husband just turned 19 a month and a half ago.
You misspelled catamite.

>>508913547
Pederasty was not intrinsically sexual. That pederasty was at times sexualized by a subset of the population doesn't make it all sexual.
Some Catholic priests sexualized their relationships with boys they were mentoring, that doesn't mean that it was standard or socially uncontroversial.

So actually it wasn't. Yes, there were instances of pederasty and the serious examples come from the Orphic and Herculean cults. Previously, when decadence wasn't supported similarly, there was virtue in the mentorship dynamic between Master and Student. For reasons that I frankly don't have a full grasp on, not being able to relate, Orpheus and Hercules were apparently fond of not just other men, but boys. In Orpheus' case, he was "torn to shreds" by the Maenads (see Dionysus). I guess he got what was coming to him.
But I don't think this renders Orpheus' poetry somehow boring and stupid and it also doesn't mean Hercules' Labors were futile nor inspiring.

>>508913865
You might be half right. But as far as Rome goes:
>But the dominant partner was not viewed as manly or acceptable. He was akin to a rapist.
This is definitely wrong
>Much like the rapist stripped a woman and her family of their honor, the dominant partner stripped a man of his virtue.
This is kind of right. Technically prostitutes, actors, musicians, chariot racers, and even gladiators were "stripped of their virtue" through the institution of infamia. Anyone who entertained others using their body gained infamia and therefore lower legal status. People really liked the gladiators though so they tried to make exceptions about them.

For other "European cultures" you might be right, but Rome is better known than any other culture of that time.

>>508900518 (OP)
>Yet today, the practice is universally abhorred, the attraction viewed as aberrant, and instead of being viewed as a positive relationship which is conducive to a boy's development, pederastic relationships are invariably viewed as corruptive.
I think you misunderstand. It doesn't seem like the objective perspective is what necessarily changed. Instead, it seems like the dynamic itself is what changed; people don't just view it as weird now, but the relationships used to be Virtuous and not focused on pederasty, but mentorship. So no actual sexual interaction, but intellection stimulation and respectful instruction.
To be very clear, Plato and his friends abhorred such behaviors and lamented faggots in I believe Symposium.

>>508913698
>It had no sexual nor deviant implication

>I get all my information from the only reliable source, memes on /pol/
>man Rome is really cool but I sure do hate faggots

>>508900518 (OP)
Simple answer: They were all filthy pagans. Christianity stopped this. Besides some pedo priests of course.

>>508912245
There is no evidence that Hadrian was sexually involved with Antinous.
>indicative of just how accepted pederasty was in Roman society
Hadrian was mocked for showing any affection to the boy, and if it weren't for other Romans calling him a fag for weeping at the death of the boy, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
>hatred of homosexuality and pederasty is not native to Europe
The Norse executed and exiled homosexuals.
The Greco-Romans stripped them of legal rights and in cases executed them.
Even sexual pederasty was a controversial topic, only practiced by a small elite, and even then not ubiquitously.

>>508900518 (OP)
>all those civilizations ended
Almost as if institutional rape of boys is a bad thing. Molesting boys is how faggots are made, by imprinting. Decadence became softness and ended in destruction. This is why Jews support faggotry, they don't want a great civilization to exist because it always ends in their expulsion.

>>508900964
>we're just so academically developed now
You fool. You have no fucking clue how wrong you are.
You should instead be asking why such Virtuous and Enlightened men didn't talk about how disgusting it was and what they might do to end such reprehensible behavior. The reality is many of them did just that. You seem to have missed it.
>>508900867
So Rome was famous for propaganda. I'm not saying no one ever fucked kids, boys even, but I am saying Rome has always been famous for inventing this type of story about their adversaries (who, curiously, often weren't aware they were adversaries).
>>508901611
>Most scholars agree that the practice of institutionalized pederasty developed after Homer's time.
It's the perfect time for you to read Julian Jaynes, anon. I highly suggest it in light of this line. It might explain why that happened.
>>508910921
I'm sort of surprised someone actually brought it up without me ranting about it for the first time in a while (that I've seen).
I agree with your summation. I'm not crazy about "Parasite", but that's fine I guess.

>>508910770
>For now the lover does not find the boy pleasing to look at,
The boy eh? Let's take a look at the text, shall we?

> οὐ γὰρ ἐπὶ τοῖς αὐτοῖς ἥδονται οὗτοι, ἀλλ᾽ ὃ μὲν ὁρῶν ἐκεῖνον, ὃ δὲ θεραπευόμενος ὑπὸ τοῦ ἐραστοῦ: ληγούσης δὲ τῆς ὥρας ἐνίοτε καὶ ἡ φιλία λήγει (τῷ μὲν γὰρ οὐκ ἔστιν ἡδεῖα ἡ ὄψις, τῷ δ᾽ οὐ γίνεται ἡ θεραπεία): πολλοὶ δ᾽ αὖ διαμένουσιν, ἐὰν ἐκ τῆς συνηθείας τὰ ἤθη στέρξωσιν, ὁμοήθεις ὄντες.
>These do not find their pleasure in the same things: the lover's pleasure is in gazing at his beloved, the loved one's pleasure is in receiving the attentions of the lover; and when the loved one's beauty fades, the friendship sometimes fades too, as the lover no longer finds pleasure in the sight of his beloved, and the loved one no longer receives the attentions of the lover; though on the other hand many do remain friends if as a result of their intimacy they have come to love each other's characters, both being alike in character.
He does not mention a boy anywhere. He continually uses one to another.

Just before this part where he is mentioning lovers he also says:
>καὶ μὴ μόνον οὕτως ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀπὸ τοῦ αὐτοῦ, οἷον τοῖς εὐτραπέλοις, καὶ μὴ ὡς ἐραστῇ καὶ ἐρωμένῳ.
> but derives it from the same thing, as in a friendship between two witty people, and not as in one between a lover and his beloved.
He then proceeds to extrapolate with the case of lovers from above.

The only one seeing boys and pederasty here is you. And that is because you are an nonce yourself.
If people knew what you are irl, they'd happily kick you to death in the middle of the street.

>>508914492
Correct
The aristocratic institution of an elder mentoring a younger male in moral,martial and cultural matters had zero implications regarding homosexual noncery toward the student
When this did sometimes devolve into a sexual relationship, it was frequently condemned

>>508914319
>This is definitely wrong
To strip a man of his virtue was to commit an act of violation not just against him but his entire family, and the people who cared for him as a friend or fellow citizen.
Do you think society was tolerant to those who had rendered their friends, family, or community members infamia?
We have records of Romans executing dominant sexual partners.

>>508912349
Although I couldn't deny the Muslim and otherwise (Middle) Eastern populations considering the Bacha Bazi, I have to stress that Rome was certainly the one always fucking boys. They made up this grandiose story about how the Spartans were totally all gay, right?
Well who the fuck did Rome conquer, anon? Who did they displace or absorb? The Grecian culture, right?
The Grecians called themselves Danann, anon. Spartans were some of their fiercest warriors. It makes perfect sense to atrophy the memory-construct of such an archetype so it's inaccessible to a proletariat underclass in a modern world.
Don't you understand the depths of Roman propaganda? All Roads and all...
They didn't just make up stories about everyone raping boys, either. They also slaughtered entire ethnic groups for "eating babies" and "raping babies". Well it turns out, unsurprisingly, that Rome was the one with groves of children dressed as nymphs (see Tiberius and Capri) and trained-child orgies.
At risk of sounding rather brash and presumptive, I have to stress that all of your /his/fags are getting duped here, playing the consensus game. They mindfucked all of your, sucked up all your attention, fed you supplemental objectivity and convinced you to parrot their consensus-agenda rhetoric like little salves. Now they rule over you and laugh behind your back because they "killed your god", all of his descendants (well...) and turned everything he and his friends did on its head.
Maybe one day you'll quit getting duped over and over.

>>508900518 (OP)
it's not universally abhorred, that's your races fault kike.k4whrh

>>508914780
>There is no evidence that Hadrian was sexually involved with Antinous.
There is overwhelming evidence that Antinous was Hadrian's lover, which is why Hadrian had him deified, and is the sole reason why Hadrian brought a random, non-related eleven year old boy with him to Rome. It is consensus among historians that Antinous was the lover of Hadrian. The earliest sources which state in explicit terms they had a sexual relationship were written by Christians within living memory of Hadrian:
>Another fresh divinity was created in Egypt,—and very nearly among Greeks too,—when the Roman king solemnly elevated to the rank of god his loved-boy whose beauty was unequalled. He consecrated Antinous in the same way that Zeus consecrated Ganymedes. For lust is not easily restrained, when it has no fear; and to-day men observe the sacred nights of Antinous, which were really shameful, as the lover who kept them with him well knew. Why, I ask, do you reckon as a god one who is honoured by fornication? Why did you order that he should be mourned for as a son? Why, too, do you tell the story of his beauty? Beauty is a shameful thing when it has been blighted by outrage. Be not a tyrant, O man, over beauty, neither outrage him who is in the flower of his youth. Guard it in purity, that it may remain beautiful. Become a king over beauty, not a tyrant. Let it remain free. When you have kept its image pure, then I will acknowledge your beauty. Then I will worship beauty, when it is the true archetype of things beautiful. But now we have a tomb of the boy who was loved, a temple and a city of Antinous.
Tit. Flavius Clemens, The Exhortation to the Greeks, IV

>>508914995
>He does not mention a boy anywhere
"Beloved" in this passage is clearly referring to a boy in a pederastic relationship. You already showed in the other thread that you are not capable of comprehending ancient Greek texts.

>>508915043
Can you provide a single source which supports your claim?

Its almost as if a good chunk of men are sexually attracted to children

>>508915755
>Can you provide a single source which supports your claim?
I can provide multiple

>>508910770
They made all of the biggest Metaphysical heroes gay to mindfuck you.
I'm going to assume we've got serious translation problems here.
>>508914995
Color me surprised.

>>508915862
Anon, it's an Academic™. These are the people that, when asking for sources, you simply laugh at and call a nigger.
>>508915755
>You already showed in the other thread that you are not capable of comprehending ancient Greek texts.
Look, it's a bot.

>>508915862
You haven't provided a single source this entire thread.

Simple question: If ancient Greeks weren't homo why is there so much ancient Greek homo art?

>>508901413
>white people
Shitskins are never good with reading comprehension. The OP goes around the world. Christianity put a hard nope on pederasty.
>the Catholic priests
Occurs 150* more in public schools per capita. Have you learned what per capita is, yet?

>>508916054
That is correct, yes.

>>508916274
Anon, do you just believe people when they tell you "this one guy you've never met made this even though you never saw him make it"? Don't be so gullible.
They told us a bunch of niggers built the pyramids. You can't be that dumb.

>>508916274
>why is there so much ancient Greek homo art?
What percentage of surviving Greek art depicts homosexual behaviour?

>>508900518 (OP)
I don't understand either. I can understand young females, but why would, if these people easily had the option, they choose to bang boys?

>>508916281
The Vatican, The Holy See, anon, is the Roman Empire. Catholicism = Rome
It simply changed its name.
So foster homes, kids with no parents, are actually the most exploited. Wait until you hear about what Obama did in Chicago. Wait until you learn how close he was with Diddy. Wait until you learn Obama was literally a fed this whole time.
Anyway, to stay on topic, many nunneries are connected to orphanages, anon. It's time you asked yourself why.

>>508900518 (OP)
It wasn't. These relationships were not sexual, but were mentorships.

There is a large variety of male friendships/mentorships and other relationships that helped build civilization that were non sexual but have been twisted to be presented as sexual only in the last 20-30 years.

However pedophilia has been deeply ingrained in most abrahamic religions as they are all spawned from Judaism which is a trauma based mind control cult based on child sexual abuse from the moment a rabbi cuts their foreskin off and sucks their dick.

Early child abuse creates a system of mind control

>>508911507
you touch on the main "issue" I think, which is interesting because these ancients were, regarding women, completely opposite to the environment of modern homosexuality which goes hand in hand with effeminacy and rule of women, they are superficially similar
imho, in some way, a society in which the women's opinion matters, will be such that men are constantly tip-toeing around the accusation of homosexuality(because it means less care for women), thus the bigger the reproach is
in taliban tier ancient pastoral societies where the wealth is, or at least was originally as the ethos formed, mobile and requiring powerful male bonds to be defended, I can see how this can easily develop a context of pederasty from close bonds between adult and young "uninitiated" youths
but it's not guaranteed, Germanic society seems to have been more or less wholly homophobic

>>508901975
If it bothered you that much, you'd have done something yourself. You don't care.

>>508900518 (OP)
what will change in the world if all sexual deviations disappear?
will the holy wars between ass lovers or tit lovers intensify?
i think ass lovers will win

>>508900518 (OP)
It wasn’t common, it’s represented on like .5% of pottery. People have all about philosophers that supported it but never mention the philosophers that bashed it.

>>508916054
People think academia is pozzed. But ancient history is basically immune to jewish tricks unless you start to question anything around the Bible or Judaism, which colleges don't really teach unless they're seminary. There's not much of an ancient agenda in trying to manipulate the ancient past unless you're on /pol/ and want to prove that the badass Romans weren't gay at all no way.

I read this shit and it's really just the same old shit
>men kissing each other is disgusting
>but younger men are cuter so it's just weird at best
>boys are boys whatever
The aversion to homosexuality is entirely from Christianity. There's some logic to it, since once homosexuality becomes out of control and isn't institutionalized (like marriage or mentorship pederasty) then it becomes a breeding ground for terrible disease.
These 80 IQ posters just see things in black and white, so any ambiguity will always support them. There's zero point arguing. Because if you do argue you must be a literal faggot, stands to reason

>>508916723
The leg men will triumph.

>>508909700
That doesn't look White to me. They're orange, brown even.

>>508901879
The comment section is eviscerating him.
>>508915755
>>508916274
The use of pottery as evidence has been thoroughly debunked™
The amount of pottery depicting homosexuality is low, far too low to be more than anecdotal.
iirc, there are a few dozen depictions in all the thousands of pottery shards we have found.

>>508914319
>>508915150
I should add: it's simply not possible for a society to deeply stigmatize one side of a thing, without stigmatizing the person who enables or causes that thing.

>>508916814
>The aversion to homosexuality is entirely from Christianity.
The pagan Germanics didnt like it one bit.

reminder that koko the literal gorilla has a higher IQ than some of these pure aryan ubermensch

>>508900518 (OP)
it's a common defamation technique.
I notice you didn't include any semitic examples.

>>508916588
>However pedophilia has been deeply ingrained in most abrahamic religions as they are all spawned from Judaism which is a trauma based mind control cult based on child sexual abuse from the moment a rabbi cuts their foreskin off and sucks their dick.
I know it's easy for you to think that, but it's literally so that men last longer in bed. I know it sounds crazy, but the idea is to build up or cultivate sexual energy during intercourse. Many, many groups sever the foreskin and consume the blood, like the Maori (they kill the kid if he sees them consume the blood, no joke). The trick is few of them have retained the knowledge for why they've done this. It was borrowed from a previous meeting, somewhere long ago in their past, with people "from the sea". It's a pervasive theme, rather esoteric.
>>508916814
You have it all wrong. It was the Romans that were super fags. Everyone else was mostly cool.
>The aversion to homosexuality is entirely from Christianity.
Are you a fucking salesman? Normalfags not understanding/reading the bible is bad enough as it is. You aren't enthusing the viewpoint you seem to want to be here.

>>508916763
That pottery isn't ancient it was made by fags in modern times

>>508916978
yeah but who fucking killed all the pagan germanics dumbass? how the fuck are you going to say anything in modern society is from "germanic culture" when 99% of germanic culture was burned off the planet between 800 and 1000 ad, except for iceland. The only surviving stories from germanic/gallic paganism are from iceland because germanic/gallic culture was eradicated so thoroughly that the Christians didn't know it existed for hundreds of years

>>508917123
pretty much everyone called it a Greek vice, the "Romans" you have in mind are largely from when the city was barely Roman anymore but wholly culturally Grecian and the worst kind of Greeks to be specific

>>508900518 (OP)
The ones who did it were fags and all fags are pedos who were raped as boys, so they rape boys for whatever fucked up psychological reason. No it was not a very common practice, the average man would be just as disgusted by it as now. It was the gay community of the time, they were just allowed to fuck boys rather than having to hide it and break the law. Male homosexuality is big on pedophilia, I shouldn't have to argue that here we already know. Where you find fags you'll find pedo fags.

>>508916525
>It's time you asked yourself why.
So, the congregation keeps giving to them and the church serves a good purpose in society. Childhood sexual abuse is hardly as massive a crisis the jew media makes it out to be.

>>508916978
The passage from Tacitus refers to "corpores infames", which at most can be interpreted as referring to sexual passivity, not pederasty, and there are several sources stating that ancient Celts engaged in pederasty:
>So that in such a state riches will necessarily be in general esteem, particularly if the men are governed by their wives, which has been the case with many a brave and warlike people except the Celts, and those other nations, if there are any such, who openly practise pederasty. And the first mythologists seem not improperly to have joined Ares and Aphrodite together; for all nations of this character are greatly addicted either to the love of women or of boys,
-Aristotle, Politics

>Although their wives are comely, they have very little to do with them, but rage with lust, in outlandish fashion, for the embraces of males. It is their practice to sleep upon the ground on the skins of wild beasts and to tumble with a catamite on each side. And the most astonishing thing of all is that they feel no concern for their proper dignity, but prostitute to others without a qualm the flower of their bodies; nor do they consider this a disgraceful thing to do, but rather when anyone of them is thus approached and refuses the favour offered him, this they consider an act of dishonour.
-Diodoros of Sicily, Library of History

>>508917084
Most Muslims are Semitic. The jews have always strictly forbade all forms of homosexuality, including pederasty. The perverted jewish spirit is opposed to the noble Aryan tradition of pederasty.

>>508917084
Come on, anon. Why would anyone mention jews sucking bloody baby penises in a thread about homosexuality? That would be anti-semitic.
>>508917213
That's why I said, "Everyone else was mostly cool."
In the first post I made in this thread, >>508914277, I mentioned both Orpheus and Hercules. I'm afraid no one else has mentioned this yet.
You'll have to try again, sport.

>>508917291
>Childhood sexual abuse is hardly as massive a crisis the jew media makes it out to be.
No, it's extremely pervasive, nigger.
Catholics may not be the worst offenders and I'll give you that. But when I say "Catholics", I don't mean their priests or other clergy, particularly at the Vatican.

>>508917197
Point remains
Germanic pagans hated faggots

>>508917316
you called it "Roman", but as I explained it, it would be like calling kebab German as in Teutonic, it's effectively a Greek import

>>508900518 (OP)
fake history, fake art
kys, kike

>>508917450
>you called it "Roman"
I called what "Roman"? Romans?
>pederasty is a Greek import
First, I never said it wasn't, like I said here >>508914277, which I just mentioned in the last post I tagged you in.
Are you okay?

>>508916814
>In the "Laws," Plato's suggests that homosexual sex should be treated similarly to incest, implying a conservative stance. The "Laws" recommend that homosexuality, like adultery and fornication, should be should be punished by deprivation of civil rights.

>>508917564
>It was the Romans that were super fags

>>508910654
>Plato was supportive of pederasty in his earlier works
Plato/Socrates humors pederastic arguments to show why his belief is right and the other is wrong. There no evidence that he changed his belief, only that he clarified it.
>Bagoas won the prize for song and dance, and then, all in his festal array, passed through the theatre and took his seat by Alexander's side; at sight of which the Macedonians clapped their hands and loudly bade the king kiss the victor, until at last he threw his arms about him and kissed him tenderly.
This is a shameless mistranslation. The actual text translates as "kissed him twice," which was a show of greeting and respect. You know how people used to kiss each other on either cheek in greeting? Well the greeks had something comparable.

>>508917123
>I know it's easy for you to think that, but it's literally so that men last longer in bed

Genital mutilation of an infant permanently changes their endocrine system development. Early child abuse is essential to creating a mind capable of disassociation and thus being easily programmable.

To make cult fanatics the first step is early trauma, the earlier the more successful, it has to be before 6 years old. There is few more successful mechanisms of creating this than a circumcision.

Eunuchs were also an exercise in trauma based mind control and often became the bureacratic wing that ran empires because of their programmable nature.

Trannies are the 21st century version of this.

>>508917401
Yet, in a world where we have little st. John, Pizzagate, allegations of ritual sexual abuse out of Israel, the Catholic church has altar boys that extremely dirty priests had access to simply through their position where the church's biggest crime was the coverup of the truth that still got out.

>>508917300
Cope
Ancients spouted much nonsense and rumour/myth about distant "barbarians"
Celt references in particular are anti-Celt propaganda esp the much cited Julius Caesaf reference.

>>508917583
Have you read anything by Plato?
Read Plato's "Republic" and tell me that Plato's suggestions on laws were even taken seriously

>>508917687
That source clearly implies that Bagoas is Alexander's lover, which other sources confirm:
>There Nabarzanes, having received a safe conduct, met him [Alexander], bringing great gifts. Among these was Bagoas, a eunuch of remarkable beauty, and in the very flower of boyhood, who had been loved by Darius and was afterwards to be loved by Alexander; and it was especially because of the boy's entreaties that he was led to pardon Nabarzanes.

>It was in fact at this time that Alexander gave loose rein to his passions, and changed continence and self-control, eminent virtues in every exalted fortune, to haughtiness and wantonness. ...
>Three hundred and sixty-five concubines, the same number that Darius had had, filled his palace, attended by herds of eunuchs, also accustomed to prostitute themselves.

>Therefore he [Alexander] received the envoys of the Sakai courteously and gave them Euxenippos to accompany them; he was still very young and a favourite of the king because of his youthful beauty, but although in handsome appearance he was equal to Hephaestion, he was not his match in a charm which was indeed not manly.

>For when he had honoured all the friends of the king with gifts beyond their highest hopes, to Bagoas, a eunuch who had won the regard of Alexander through yielding his body, he paid no honour, and on being admonished by some that Bagoas was dear to Alexander, replied that he was honouring the friends of the king, not his harlots, and that it was not the custom of the Persians to mate with males who made females of themselves by prostitution.
- The Histories of Alexander the Great by Curtius Rufus

>>508917300
>there are several sources stating that ancient Celts engaged in pederasty:
Boy, how surprising.
Did you know the Romans burned all their books and engaged multiple genocides against them? Did you know they also did this in the Amazon at least once?
>>508917634
Yes, Romans are Romans.
Romans were definitely super fags. I don't see what's not true about this. Are you just doing pedantry wrong? It feels like you're not a very good pedant. Maybe it's ESL. Either way, take a few deep breaths and reread things slowly. You seem miraculously confused.
>>508917714
I've read all the same exact greentexts as you, bud.
I'm telling you that you're uninitiated. I'm explaining where it all came from. I also made a post, >>508917316 here, where I lamented the jewish baby dick cutting and sucking practice facetiously.
>>508917754
>w-what about all of these other examples
You don't happen to be a Jesuit, do you?

>>508917877
>King Alexander, too, was quite excessively keen on boys: according to Dicaearchus in On the Sacrifice at Troy, he was so taken with the eunuch Bagoas that under the eyes of the whole theater he bent over to give him a kiss, and when the audience shouted and applauded, he very willingly bent over and kissed him again. Charon of Chalcis—so says Carystius in Historical Notes —had a beautiful boy who was devoted to him. Alexander remarked on his beauty during a drinking bout hosted by Craterus. Charon told his boy to give Alexander a kiss. “No!” said the king. “That would pain you more than it would please me.” Although he was a passionate man, Alexander was also self-controlled as regards decency and propriety: when he had captured Dareius’ daughters and wife (who was quite admirably beautiful), not only did he not have sex with them, he arranged that they should not even learn that they were captives, giving the order that they should continue to be attended just as if Dareius still ruled. That was why Dareius, when he learned of this, stretched out his hands to the Sun in prayer that either he or Alexander should be king.
- The Learned Banqueters by Athenaeus

>>508917866
He was responsible for the Noble Lie, which is where we get this compartmentalization disaster and this aristocracy of retards bullshit dynamic we have today.
Plato was a retard sometimes, anon.
>>508917877
>guys, I just really, really want everyone to have been super gay
I'm afraid you have an obsession, big guy.

>>508917401
Rabbis fuck way more kids than Catholic priests.

>>508917882
>Yes, Romans are Romans.
and I told you in what sense you are wrong, even using an analogy hoping there's a 1% chance I'm not speaking with the usual braindead brown fauna from that third world country of yours, looks like I was optimistic

>>508917977
>b-but guys let's just talk about jews, okay?
What are you hiding, Father?
>>508917990
For the third fucking time, I'm the one who brought up Orpheus and Hercules, you stupid nigger.
Go read the books.

>>508917882
>You don't happen to be a Jesuit, do you?
Why do you want to contradict the point that pederasty is absent from most of Christian history because of doctrine? Are you brown?

>>508911251
>Plato only disavowed pederasty in his final work when he was bitter and old, in his earlier works he was supportive of the practice.
Wrong. see >>508917687
>(2) pederasty was a widespread institutionalized practice in Classical Greece;
>could only have been expounded in a society in which there was a widespread, institutionalized practice
Pure assumption. It proves only that the Greeks knew of sexualized pederasty, enough that it could be used as an example of poor behavior.
Condemnation does not prove normalcy. If anything it suggests the opposite.
>>508917877
>>508917916
Both authors wrote centuries after the death of Alexander. This tells us nothing but the headcanons of the authors.

>>508917964
Yeah I know Plato was a retard but chucklefuck
>>508917583
is suggesting that Plato's weird theoretical stance on pederasty in his harebrained perfect utopia is an actual attitude or law that anyone else had.
This is what you get on /pol/, a bunch of fucks that have no idea what they're reading, picking shit out, and telling you total bullshit. This is how the whole western concept of religion and philosophy apparently works in fucking meme brainrot land.
>nah they killed this guy who kissed his slave so that means they killed all faggots see? 1488 heil rome heil elon musk huaehuaehuae

Lover of boys is what they called high caste men that took apprentices to become politicians and aristocrats since anything greeks can tolerate is "love"

>>508900518 (OP)
Because some people reincarnate as men after thousands of years reincarnating as women. You're memory-wiped, but your soul acquires certain features throughout time.

>>508917964
>He was responsible for the Noble Lie
He wrote that Socrates said the Phoenicians invented it.

>>508918299
>Pure assumption. It proves only that the Greeks knew of sexualized pederasty, enough that it could be used as an example of poor behavior.
You can infer that pederasty was a widespread practice by reading the Symposium and the Phaedrus, otherwise, they wouldn't speak so nonchalantly about the practice. Socrates in the Phaedrus admits that the majority of the relationships which he is describing involve sexual relations, "that act which ordinary people would take to be the happiest choice of all" >>508911251

>>508918299
>Both authors wrote centuries after the death of Alexander
Using sources which are now lost to us, and several sources converge on Bagoas being Alexander's lover.

>>508917866
That's not the point.
That's how Platonists of Greece viewed homosex.

>>508918314
It suggests that homosex was not the norm rather the opposite among Platonists.

>>508901963
What about the Retardius Muttario Autistic, the parasite that makes you use 4chan and type retarded shit, is he influencing you right now?

>>508918200
Catholics aren't Christian, faggot.
Once again, Modern Catholicism is Rome. Rome never fell. It merely morphed into a "Spiritual" Regime. It also never quit cutting off boys dicks (altar boys) to keep them around as sexual pets, for example.
>>508918832
Plato and Socrates are the same guy, dummy. "Socrates" was an invention, like Shakespeare.
>Noble Lie
>from Phoenicians
Invented it, yes, the practice of a Nobile Class and an Underling Class. That could easily be true for all I know, but they did not invent the "Noble Lie". That was Plato's creation and it came from Republic.
This really isn't the thread for rants about Scythian-Phoenician Nobility, anon.

>>508917866
Greeks had a word for homosexuality, it meant "those that defile themselves and others". Or sodomite. The punishment for homosexuality in the ancient world, as well as adultery/sodomy I believe, was the insertion of a turnip into your asshole and hot coals shoveled onto your groin.

In the north celts just tried to kill you with knives and if you get away you get away

>>508918908
>>508917866
Plato explicitly called homosex "an unholy crime against nature" (okay I'm sort of paraphrasing).

>>508912764
>18
stupid nigga twink death is at 16

>>508918730
Nah. I'm pretty sure Plato specifically said that if you're an asshole then you die and come back as a woman. If you're still an asshole, you die and come back as a bird. Then it's a beast. Then it's a plant.

>there is no concrete evidence to definitively prove that Alexander the Great had a homosexual relationship with Hephaestion
>Ancient sources do not explicitly state that Alexander and Hephaestion were in a romantic or sexual relationship
>there is no definitive proof of a homosexual relationship between Alexander the Great and Hephaestion

>>508913354
I don't think Trimalchio was supposed to represent a vituous man.

>>508919124
>Catholics aren't Christian, faggot.
Why do you want to believe pederasty was prevalent in White countries for ages, anon?

>>508919369
If you were capable of deploying even fractional agency or competence compared to the man, the whole world would turn on its head.
In a world with a serious dearth of virtue, a man like that would have most of us groveling at his feet. You are not permitted to utilize such psychological technology and are actively demoralized with "h-he's gay... so you shouldn't want to be like him" for exactly this reason.
>>508919464
>you desire the thing that you're speculating about to be true
And I think you're a stupid nigger who desperately defends the Vatican despite the global, momentous damage that Rome has caused and continues to cause.

>>508917300
Since Herodotus, accusing your enemies sexual immorality like gayness or cuckoldry has been standard practice by historians.

What we do know is that Tacitus' account of drowning emasculate men is corroborated by bog mummies.
We also know that in the earliest written northern european legal codes, homosexuality was punishable by execution or exile.

>>508918846
i've seen racism condemned frequently in mainstream media, but we aren't living in the most racist times.
you are making an assumption of normalcy based on the condemnation of a practice that was at best practiced in a small elite.
>Socrates in the Phaedrus admits that the majority of the relationships which he is describing involve sexual relations
he's criticizing sexual pederasty. of course he stipulates that he's criticizing sexual relationships.

>Using sources which are now lost to us
>source?
>I lost it 800 years ago
That doesn't make them reliable. We can't verify this as more than rumor that circulated centuries after Alexander died.

>>508919124
are you an authority on the Socratic problem?
Judaism is based on the noble lie, goy.
>>508919562
I'm here to crush your dreams he he he

I used to not understand this until I started smoking meth and fucking trannies. Now it makes perfect sense, bu my life no longer does

>>508919562
>you're speculating about
That's all you have is speculation that you're using to create suspicion. I would think for a White person that understands much of the western world was Catholic for a long time, it'd be more to your advantage to only admit to the facts about your people when a criticism of them occurs.

>>508919850
>everyone is catholic lol
Okay.

>>508919562
Alexander the great was not a sodomite. His dad philip was a great king who defended the persians he could get any puss he wanted. Men dont naturally want sodomy, if anything this OP indicates a false history.

The penis goes into the bagina.

>>508919932
Catholics just serve as a religious museum.
They even let Europe keep most of their gods in the form of saints.
That pinecone is Sumerian.
Circle of life.

>>508919932
Many people's ancestors were. My records don't go back that far, myself, but since we're talking about most of western Europe and the original criticism I responded to was a bout White people I'm not going to conjure up salacious rumors about ancient child sex trafficking through their charities

>>508920173
>My records don't go back that far
Other records do, big guy. Too bad you don't have permission to access this information. If you did, you'd understand what makes me so adamant.

>>508920233
Cool, you have no evidence but want to believe it exists. Have you considered writing a different historical fiction for yourself?

>>508920352
>no evidence
>believe it exists
>fiction
You're trying a bit too hard, don't you think?

>>508920465
you know that the noble lie is also what formed the basis of the church and all of european royalty?
that's why they inbred.
that's why Charles king of spain was so fucked up.
because the noble lie didn't work.

And we have all different metal mixtures of the pure gold of Abraham.
or is it
Israel?
or Solomon?
David?

>>508900518 (OP)
The problem isn't those times, the problem is translators in modern times. Pederasty has never been common or socially acceptable.

There is a further problem of whether events in Roman or Greek antiquity happened at all. Anatoly Fomenko says no, based on his textual analysys methods developed with Gleb Nosovsky. Such works turn out to have been produced between the 15th to 19th Centuries and no written documents surivive before the 13th Century.

Nonetheless, the pederasty is a recent addition reflecting the tastes of modern translaters. For instanve, A.E. Houseman, also the author of "A Shropshire Lad".

>>508900867
Doesn't even deny being a rabbi

>>508901611
>He mentions the myth of Ganymede and Zeus, where Zeus abducts Ganymede
Those stories refer to the motion of planets seen from Earth in a time of highly confused celestial orbits following the breakup of the Saturn-based wheel or 'round table' circular configitation.

People might interpret a planet seen up close as having male or female characteristics based on what it did during this period of restabilisation. But the planet itself is neither male or female.

>>508901963
Well said Anon. I was never drawn towards homosexual acts but taking turpentine and sugar (five drops on a teaspoon of white sugar) caused me to lose interest in sodomitical acts with women.

Parasites a drawn to the sugar and eat the turpentine. Thought aiding their spread reduced and finally removed. Diamond G brand of medical grade turpentine off Amazon.

>>508902818
>Xenophon
>gay stuff
If you wanted a good laugh you could try to find out when the Constitution of the Lacedaemonians was first discovered. Typically a 19th Century "scholar" and "confirmed batchelor" somehow "found it" in a pile of old scrolls while researching at a monastry library. Then the source material for his copy is "lost" or "destroyed by fire".

Many such cases.