Thread 513273406

How do we fix capitalism?

>>513273406 (OP)
By seizing the wealth from the ultra wealthy

>>513273406 (OP)
by taxing the mega super duper wealthy, they tax gorillionaires like elon in usa like 0,04%

>>513273406 (OP)
why don't you just sell them cheaper

>>513273406 (OP)
How much does the machine that makes those things cost?

>>513273406 (OP)
Capitalism as we know it died decades ago. Now the age of data hoarding is upon us, and the new ruling class are the technology giants. We work for them (by providing the data they crave), and we get nothing in return. It's a worse time than when fiefdom ruled the world. At least the peasants benefitted from that system, by working the land. What benefits does social media have for mankind?

>>513273406 (OP)
>HE makes them...
Does he mine and refine the ore? Make the paint? Buy and maintain the mechining equipment? Package, ship, and retail? Market and sales? Does he negotiate and pay for his group health insurance? Does he make sure his wage cage is compliant with hundreds of local, state, and federal regulations?
This is why communists all starve.

>>513274120
Those things have a name. They’re called widgets.

>>513274206
>This is why communists all starve.

/thread

>>513273406 (OP)
>I press a button and make 100 loafs of bread in one hour but I can only buy 5 for the one hour pay
2050
>I midsinc with the AI to start the 10k bread making/hour and instant delivery by drones, how come I can only buy 5 loafs with the one hour crypto assigned to my ID?

>>513273406 (OP)
So he should steal 8 of them an hour and sell them for less and he could be making triple what he currently does. That’s how capitalism works.

>>513273406 (OP)
he doesnt pay rent for the tools. he doesnt pay for the electricity to run the machine. he doesnt pay for the logistics to deliver the product to customers. he doesnt order the raw materials. he just manages the machine producing stuff. seems like his labor is valued accordingly
t.cnc machinist

>>513273406 (OP)
>I make 3,000 of them every hour
With who's equipment and materials?
The beauty of a capitalist society is that there's very little stopping you from going into business for yourself, in fact it's encouraged.

>>513274480
This. He isn't make a single of them. He's merely operating the machine that makes these. And the machine was bought by a capitalist who also pays all the operating costs, etc. I am critical of capitalism, but I dislike low IQ leftists who are too primitive to understand economics.

>>513274218
I assume it's a grommet or some shit. "Those things" works for the time being.

>>513274206
This. He’s a midwit with grandeur delusion. Thread/

>>513273406 (OP)
The real problem is the jewish daycare system.
If we look back just 80 years most production sides were simply staffed. Lets say you had 50 assembly workers, 5 of them were foremen and like one factory manager. One of the foremen could cover for the manager if needed for a few days. The manager would have a secretary and a bookee for the money. That would be about it

Today you have 50 workers atleast 10 of them are foremen because people cant do their job, you will have atleast 10 HR parasites, and atleast 5 IT twats. You will need 2 or 3 people to manage the foremen topped with a atleast 3 person managementboard each of them have atleast 2 secretarys. And also have either an expensive accounting contract with an contractor or employ like 10 accountants. Then you will need a full advertisment department or a expensive contractor. Then you need graphic designers and an advertisment department or outsource this aswell. And to finish all of that you allso need a full storage and logistics department with atleast 2 forklifts be cause everthing must be shipped sameday and none of your workers can get shit themselfs from the storage anymore

So we basicly employ twice the people for the same job today thats why we cant have shit anymore.

>>513273406 (OP)
If he can make 3000 of those things an hour why doesn't he just sell them himself? He must be a retard if he's working for someone else when he's that capable.

>>513273406 (OP)
By killing all jews in the world.

>>513273406 (OP)
He should make his own factory then all would belong to him

Either run the factory or nope out and exit the matrix.

>>513273406 (OP)
What even are they?

>>513273406 (OP)
You dont make them. You assemble them maybe, but you don't make them. You don't gather the raw material.

>>513273406 (OP)
lol he is one small part of the production. This guy is a rucking retard that doesn’t understand how things work.

>>513276762
Ruh roh

>>513276015
Tsuba

Reduce waste by keeping things longer, and support second hand use.

>>513273406 (OP)
If he can make them , then why not go home and do it as a side hustle?

>>513273406 (OP)
>the button pusher is getting uppity
No, thousands of people made them and he participated in the final step of the process.
I understand that commies are retarded, but I'm amazed just how retarded they are.

>>513274188
Avoid social media. Traffic all of your data to gdrp friendly countries. Self host as much as possible in European data centers.

>>513273406 (OP)
he doesn't make shit, he operates an expensive machine to modify expensive stock into a finished product and he owns none of these
these kind of arguments are retarded when mass automation and AI is looming around the corner
then it will be one guy making 3000 of those and owning all 3000 while he stands outside the factory hoping to suck his cock for a few dollars

>>513274014
>The overhead is reduced as the buildings and equipment is eventually paid for, yet wages never increase no matter how efficiently you work (unless you are a CEO)
Obviously there exists a solution, but the world wants to wait until it gets worse before it does anything about it.

>>513274625
This. I'm a National Socialist myself,so I'm all for using the state to protect your people from the excesses of capitalism, but neomarxist breadtube retards are the only anticapitalist voices given an audience on purpose. Jews have always controlled both capitalism and communism, and in the present day capitalism has completely commodified marxism to sell it as a product to economically illiterate leftists. It has been commodified as controlled opposition so that any criticism of capitalism looks retarded by association. And it is effective. Any attempted conversation with a lolbert or Boomercon about capitalism ends with THAT'S SOCIALISM!! before you've had any chance to explain anything to them.

>>513273406 (OP)
That retard doesnt "make" any of those. He sits on one part of assembly line doing some work that any retard off the street can do. Somebody smarter, more capabable, and more deserving than him did all the hard work of designing it, going into business, setting up factory and supply chain to make the parts and therefore deserves a lot more reward than he does. communists are insane

>OP memeflag
We already have a thread:


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>>513277384
Put in tons of capital up front, lose money for a couple of years, and when you start to be profitable you have to raise everyone’s salary? Fuck that. What you pinkos don’t understand is that capitalism is about incentives. Without the upside on the tail end, I won’t mobilize my capital on the front end.

t. Small business owner paying $1.7 million in wages

>>513277243
I do avoid it. I have a couple of friends, that is speak with IRL. The only other contact I have with people, are you lot.
Looking into self hosting, but I'm not that bright, so its a challenge.

>>513277950
>the engineer who made all of this possible is the factory owner
It's really telling that you go to an extreme about communism ignorant of the fact productivity has been soaring for 80 years but in the same time frame pay grinded to a halt and currently isn't keeping up with inflation.

Truth of the matter is the factory owner is probably as dumb as you and me but he inherited a sizeable amount of money and was able to leverage it to get a sweetheart loan and pay someone to handle all of this for him - assuming that this isn't a factory owned by a too big to fail corporation that subsists on multi-national welfare.
>>513278343
This mentality is explicitly why the US is in decline. No one argues that a business owner isn't entitled to the lions share, but the difference is that the lions share in the past was grossly lower than what it is now.

On another note, how many illegals do you employ because they're "such hard workers" ?

>>513273406 (OP)
Are those cock rings?

>>513278803
The lion’s share is more today than back in the robber Barron era? I think not. Modern billionaires don’t even have real wealth, they have stock, ie IOUs.

I employ gen z women almost exclusively. It is the worst, but they are the ones that work in healthcare.

>>513273406 (OP)
You fix capitalism by de-industrialising and returning to family run and family owned businesses.
This of course results in the death of millions along the way.
And is not acheivable with communism, considering your gay flag, it's not something you can understand.
Remember that western leftism (French revolution faggots) is gay and you are larping if you think you are an eastern leftist (Stalin Mao etc)

In other words. It's not possible.
No, not even if you commie faggots take over and implement gay-totalitarianism.

>>513278835
Those look like DSLR camera viewfinder covers. They fucking suck. They're always too loose and fall off, so you have to buy a bunch. If it takes you an hour to buy 3, you're making $10/hr

>>513279194
>1940's was the robber baron era
True, that's why you responded to a post that outlined CEO's were making grossly less until the 1980's and ballooned rapidly in the early 2000's.
Oddly enough, the USA is in stark decline and people can't afford anything anymore. Crazy coincidence.

>Modern billionaires don’t even have real wealth, they have stock, ie IOUs.
Of course their money isn't liquid, but they have assets valued in that. Yes if the stock market implodes they drop from being billionaires to simply tens to hundreds of millionaires with all of the land, businesses, and other various physical assets they still outright own.

>>513273406 (OP)
The costumer has to survive

I don't understand how there are people ITT that can't admit that businesses maximize profits. If a business can get away with charging 10,000% markup on a product, they will do it, in fact they are likely in violation of their fiduciary duty to their shareholders if they don't do it. In a situation where there is perhaps only very few manufacturers of a crucial product, they absolutely will jack up their prices as high as possible to maximize their profit. That is what capitalism is, don't pretend the company is walking the razor's edge when it isn't necessary, this manufacturer has probably just cornered the market at the moment due to trade barriers or their competitors going under and are taking advantage of that. You are a complete midwit retard if you believe this company is providing the cheapest possible product, they aren't, they are legally bound to actually charge the most amount of money possible for their product.

>>513273406 (OP)
Does he ship them? Did he make the machines? did he buy the machines? Did he sort payroll for the other workers?Did he pay the insurance? Does he transport them? Did he start the business?

NO.

Being retarded is what causes anti-capitalism. All other approaches are ultimately "everyone will do stuff because they want to and won't mind if ranjeet gets free gibs for sitting at home". Socialism is RETARDED.

>>513279597
yes of course, they are greedy. It's not a perfect system its simply a system THAT ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS and is aligned to our selfish nature while still being of benefit to wider society.

>>513273406 (OP)
less greed more common sense

>>513273406 (OP)
He should start his own business making those.

>>513275061
Primary workers in every field are just as capable as they were fifty years ago, the admin bloat is just an excuse for nepotism. Factories don’t need a foreman for every five guys in the floor - but how else is the supervisor supposed to find a job for his slacker burnout son? Universities don’t need two admins for every three faculty - but how else is the provost supposed to pay back all their slimy friends who helped sway the board of trustees for the position?

>>513279830
Well the system only "works" if there are relatively few barriers to entry, which isn't the case. Starting a business today is a lot more difficult than it was 50+ years ago simply due to taxes and regulations, preexisting businesses essentially get "grandfathered in" and it becomes more difficult for fresh blood to enter the market. This is by design and is caused by government overreach which is lobbied for by those existing businesses. Until the government is drastically cut back from its role in overregulating the market, these problems will only get worse as it gets more difficult to legally compete with existing businesses.

>>513273758
This sort of implies that there is some finite pool of wealth. Government can create money, so it can always afford to hire the labor to build out more productive infrastructure. So you don't need to "seize" anyone's anything, you can just go around them and drown them out with oversupply.

>>513273758
fpbp

>>513280139
Also this paradigm massively encourages outsourcing because navigating the labyrinthian legal nightmare that is required to operate a business in America (or the west in general) costs a whole lot more than just paying a Malaysian to do it and ship it overseas. It isn't just minimum wage, in fact that is a very trivial problem and mostly a red herring. The problem is needing several very expensive lawyers on retainer to help you navigate the impossible legal situation of running a modern business in America. That is why certain states in America are a lot more attractive to employers than others, and why certain states are completely stagnating while others are flourishing, it is all about barrier to entry.

>>513273924
all philantropic foundations are exempt form paying income tax
usa eu and canada all have these loopholes
now you know

>>513280471
This is a false narrative.

It is safer for capitalists to abstract industry away from their primary base of operations and to scatter it when possible, because it decreases the ability for nationalization of the production chain.

>>513273406 (OP)
How many cock rings do you need, bro?

>>513273406 (OP)
what actually makes amerishart capitalism so disproportionate? In communist chinkland, although CEOs are incredibly wealthy, a far greater share of the profits actually go to the workers OR the cost of the final products are far lower and more affordable for the locals....

>>513277384
so do you believe that wages should be negative until the overhead is paid off?

>>513274439
This would be reasonable if 5 loafs cost $20 but they don't. Those things in the OP shouldn't even cost $0.5 each

>>513273406 (OP)
>How do we fix capitalism?
Become the capitalist, take all the risk and then let your employees take most of the profit.

>>513273406 (OP)
>1pbtid
Motherfucker

>>513280641
That is schizo shit, in fact I would argue it is more likely that a company will get their capital nationalized by outsourcing to a foreign country. That literally happened in Cuba when Castro took over, he nationalized American companies that were operating in Cuba for profit. Companies outsource because it is cheaper, not only due to lower wages but simply due to lower operating costs in general, that includes legal counsel.

>>513273406 (OP)
ford was right and kowtowing to investors is a mistake
also ceos hopping between companies while constantly siphoning millions or billions is also a mistake

>>513273406 (OP)
if this were true, then he should buy the machine and inputs and make these widgets himself in his garage.

>>513279830
>its simply a system THAT ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS
Shalom

>>513273406 (OP)
By forming guilds and having employee-owned companies. But even that is enough to piss you commies off because it's still private ownership and you want the government to control everything.

>>513280972
They don't outsource everything. They want it scattered whenever possible, so that no one country can have the whole chain under its control.

This is why there is so much asshurt over China. It's why historically there was so much asshurt over Germany (and why so many wars have been fought to keep German access to resources and raw materials tightly controlled).

>>513280748
It is because American corporations have almost complete control over the government and have made it legally impossible to compete with them. Not only that, they are even permitted to violate the laws they are forcing upon everyone else (see Tyson Foods for example). You can't compete with Tyson Foods because if you abused their workers and violated health codes as often as they do, you would get shut down in a week.

>>513280817
>reasonable if 5 loafs cost $20 but they don't
How much do 5 loafs cost then?

>>513281162
abused your workers*

>>513274625
>I am critical of capitalism, but I dislike low IQ leftists who are too primitive to understand economics.
Well said. This guy is retarded and is clearly where he should be, done menial labour.

>>513273406 (OP)
By enacting trust busting and cracking down on monopolistic practices again, and introducing more regulation on crony capitalists. We were getting somewhere with occupy wallstreet but that's when they realized they can distract us with identity politics. We need to gather like we did 100 years ago, get Republicans off the jew teet and get democrats to completely disregard the identity politics mental gymnastics which always spirals out into purity signaling. We were doing good post war, in the 50s-60s CEOs were making the same as their workers. Ever since the 70s-80s ceo income increased hundreds of times over their workers. Just like with housing, cars, Medicare, etc. This keynesian economic model we're in causes inflation on just about everything when one side is profiting more than the other
>inb4 its their company so they deserve all the profit
Then why is it when companies fail, upper management retains everything and it's the workers who get laid off or their 401ks liquidated or both? If it's the CEO's company, or upper management's, or whoever, why aren't they the ones who take a hit first? Japan has an excellent model on this. Not only this, but companies also pay for their workers' hospital costs, making a trip to the ER about $60 instead of $1700, etc. and they focus more on generic medication than overpriced name brand. The only people who do bad in Japan are temp workers, and even then it's not a hard life.

>>513277384
>The overhead is reduced as the buildings and equipment is eventually paid for
Which is to say never because maintenance costs is literally the main reason why factories still have workers.

>>513273406 (OP)
It is because he has no skill and anyone could do his job. The company can monopolize on its position as it is one of the few that have the skill and resources required to construct these in a timely fashion. Labor does not make value. If you were to suggest such, nothing would get done as there would be no incentive to be more efficient as everyone would be paid more for wasting time doing everything the hard way. I don't understand why marxfaggots can't understand this. Maybe they just want to believe it anyway though as they want to feel like they deserve more for their shitty art and other creations simply because they struggled like tards and refuse to learn anything.

>>513281775
I don't think many of you who constantly complain about Keynes have actually read him.

>>513279597
>>513279830
>>513281057
If there's no competition, it's not capitalism. Jews legislating a new 'market' and then installing a 2-3 corp oligopoly is not capitalism. They used to fabricate back stories for these oligopolies ("started in garage", "whiz kid"), but none of them are true, and the fact that idiots keep calling something what it isn't is, doublespeak, is exactly the problem.

Oligopolies, like monopolies, are caused by government intervention in free markets. No competition; no capitalism.

>>513282692
>"It's not real capitalism, goy!"
Post nose.

>>513277906
More to the point, if you asked that retard what exactly it is he wants, he would describe basically Scandinavia, which is also a market economy like ours just with more social safety nets and such. I would tend to agree that they spend their public funds more wisely than we do, but anyone here could tell you that while those things would be nice, America is currently loaded with spics, niggers and Jews that are putting it into epic debt just with the basic services we have already.

So the lefty retard isn't just a retard, he's having an argument with someone who doesn't exist, outside of Facebook boomers yelling about socialism. The whole capitalism vs communism thing is barely even real, outside of the minds of the most retarded idiots imaginable who actually think they want communism.

>>513273406 (OP)
That's the neat part, you don't.

You wait until the rich people are big enough targets to justify popping them like a balloon, then you destroy the system and start over.

Capitalism is a really big pinata siesta.

We fill people up with the fake candy (money) then we beat it out of them.

>>513282782
>America is currently loaded with spics, niggers and Jews that are putting it into epic debt just with the basic services we have already
This is by design by the way, what do these groups all have in common? They put downward pressure on wages and property values. Spics are basically slave labour, Jews are turbo-misers that have mastered the art of financial abuse and fraud, and nogs are a biological weapon used to lower the property values wherever they are implanted, which the Jews can then purchase and "revitalize" by removing all the nogs they put there in the first place. And ALL of this is done with YOUR money, the taxpayer, either through direct taxation or inflation via money printing, which is just a tax on your cash savings.

>>513282782
>that are putting it into epic debt
The debt structurally has to exist because not everywhere can be in surplus at once. You could run a trade surplus to gradually eliminate it, or you could bring the growth rate below the interest rates. Otherwise, it has to be there since the government is the only one who can sustainably run a deficit.

>>513274625
>work in food industry
>make 100 sandwiches per hour busting my ass as fast as possible doing nearly all the work of the entire resturaunt because theyre constantly understaffed and cant get anyone else to do my position
>can afford 1 sandwich per hour
>its shit quality ingredients too

They say the US is a big diverse place. I haven't found a part of it that capitalism hasn't made a soulless shithole. Are there good places in US that have restrained capitalism

>>513273406 (OP)
>quit job
>make 3000 of whatever that is in one hour
>sell 2997
Now he has 3 of those things and a bazillion bucks, fucking retarded commie.

>>513282638
Keynes' model on what causes inflation has been the relative norm in big business, with many politicians having a hand in the cookie jar, and thus allowing for more of the cause for inflation to occur. What I'm talking about is balance. We were fairly balanced when usd was backed in precious metals. Ever since nixon took us off of gold, and allowed for banks to put us in a fiat debt based currency, that's when shit started going belly up. I'm not complaining about keyens at all.

>>513273406 (OP)
If you make 3,000 of them and only need three, just slip a few of them in your pocket? At the very least I'm sure your boss would give you an employee discount.

>>513273406 (OP)
>How do we fix capitalism?
Ethnonationalism.

UBI worldwide for every citizen payed out my the UN

>>513273406 (OP)
uhh, just slip a handful in your pocket and mark the missing pieces as defective, nobody is trudging through trash for a few cents missing.
It's how I steal at my factory.

>>513282782
>more wisely than we do
US to Scandinavia is like Haiti to US. My effective tax rate is near 50% in US after fed/socsec/medicare/medicaid/state/local/prop, and that rate doesn't pay for healthcare or free education.

We pay a unbelievable amount in taxes, but everything around us is falling down. No one can afford to work o ntheir houses. We're like Haiti, we send them aid, just to find it sitting in warehouses and no obvious trace of the money.

>>513283452
>reliance on UN

>>513273406 (OP)
Stop usury
Stop central banking
Stop jewish billionaires

>>513273758
And returning to a state of real evolutionary competition.
The rich gave shit genes that made them entitled parasites.

Force them to compete on all levels, they'd die out quickly and the real one-perc>>513273758
ent of genetically gifted humans would arise.

>>513274120
Please provide a name and phone number and business purpose to the manufacturer, they will get you a quote in 3 business days.

How did society allow monopoly on banking and currency?

>>513283293
Does it never give you any pause that the biggest economic explosions of the 20th and 21st centuries -- Germany, Japan, China -- had nothing at all to do with gold? I really don't understand how the mythology of gold persists. Gold has value in so far as it has industrial usefulness -- which it does. But all of the other stuff attributed to it is just esoteric -- general human desire and marketing.

>People are actually trying to DEBUNK this
Nah, jewish slave actions. Yup, he should either be paid more or they should be cheaper, or as an employee he should get them for free.
>>513274439
A perfect representation of why it's a scam. We're automating away the need for labor but people can't actually buy more of things, we're getting more "efficient" but I actually can't go buy 10,000 loafs of bread delivered by drones.

>>513279194
What is real wealth to someone like you with lots of money? Gold? Real estate? Genuine q

>>513273406 (OP)

can't fix what isn't broke. Being poor is a personal problem, not a government one. You'll be taken seriously when the middle class is completely gutted.
Until then, pick yourself up by your boot straps and make more money, chud.

>>513273406 (OP)
>1pbtid
>memeflag

>>513281194

Not the anon that you responded to, but these are the prices of a loaf of bread in LA. That other faggot is a champagne socialist type, he only eats the fancy kind of bread. The working man's bread is deemed not good enough for his majesty.

He should obviously make them at home and get rich.

>>513277384
>Obviously there exists a solution,
The solution is voluntary unions and demanding better wages, profit sharing etc.

Most billionares are tech anyway. They're responsible for a big part of the spike in ceo wages. Doubt the guys starting factories can afford the same wage

>>513273406 (OP)
HERE'S HOW YOU FIX YOUR POVERTY.
DON'T WASTE RESOURCES MAKING AND BUYING LITTLE BLACK RUBBER FLIBBEDY-FLOBBEDY MYSTERY NIB-NOBS THAT HAVE NO APPARENT FUNCTION.
>seriously, what the fuck are those?
>american football hockey pucks?
>why does no one here demand to know?

>>513284157
>A perfect representation of why it's a scam. We're automating away the need for labor but people can't actually buy more of things, we're getting more "efficient" but I actually can't go buy 10,000 loafs of bread delivered by drones.
Correct. The real issue is that capitalists, who don't want to work either, want to skim off of industrial production gains. From machines that in many instances are decades or even centuries old in their origins, that the capitalists in question did not design or engineer. They just bought them -- and where does money come from? Well, at root all money is created out of thin air. That doesn't mean every capital expense was funded that way -- some people really do save and invest their own. But at origin, money is created out of thin air.

>>513273406 (OP)
Capitalism is fine; it's the retarded idea that being one small part of a supply chain entitles you to all of the final profits that needs correction.

If this guy can make 3000 little rubber gaskets on his own every hour, then why doesn't he do that? Because he can't actually. He doesn't source the materials. He doesn't ship them. He doesn't create the machine that does it, only operates it. He foesnt own the building or maintain the insurance. He doesn't market the product. He doesn't run the warehouse where it's stored. He doesnt install the little rubber things for the customer. He doesn't run the company that does all this all on his own. There are tons of people involved in the process of creating those little rubber things and he is just one of them. All of those people are entitled to their fair share of the profits as well.

What a stupid comment. As expected of a entitled communist piece of shit.

>>513284157
Again none of this bullshit would be possible if the entire western economy wasn't a "soft monopoly" backed by state intervention to prevent the situation from ever changing or improving for anyone aside from existing billionaires. We are entering a financial era of feudalism in the 21st century and the only thing which can ever break the back of a feudal society is, historically, violent revolution resulting in a radical reforming of government, i.e. the destruction of the aristocracy and the unleashing of free enterprise and innovation from the ground up. Existing billionaires are no longer really a part of the "bourgeoisie" or capitalist class, they have legally separated themselves into a class of their own which is beyond the rule of law entirely, and they control the entire government. It's a regression from capitalism to feudalism.

So when did you realize that /pol/ is now just reddit for conservatives? They just pretend to be smart and HECKIN LOVE CAPITALISM, but now with wages going lower and lower and people not being able to afford day-to-day necessities they suddenly think that some widget guy is being paid fairly.
This is literally just 80 year old boomers spouting platitudes from their smartphones while jamal fucks their daughter. Absolutely zero white young people who support this, the average young person just wants to be able to pay rent without working 50 hours per week.

>>513273406 (OP)
>How do we fix capitalism?
By stop migrating there by droves, even risking your life trying to get there....

Next question (nigger)

A good portion of the profits also goes to things like keeping the electricity on to power the machine that he operates, and to pay for the insurance on him, his coworkers, and the building. Taxes also.

The fact is, he is simply lying by omission to say the he makes 3000 of these things in an hour. He doesn't. Lots of people do but like all communists (which is why they signal so hard otherwise) all he cares about is himself.

Pure entitlement sold poorly with obvious lies.

>>513273406 (OP)
So why doesn't he make them on his own at home... oh wait he would need to buy the materials and equipment...

>>513284928
You're trying to reason with a bloodthirsty demon that doesn't care about logic..

>>513273406 (OP)
Why does he need 3 of those things anyway? What a greedy bastard. Nobody needs more than 2 of those things

>>513274108
He's not the only person in the supply chain that has to be paid. Plus the business has to make a profit to cover overhead. He should buy the same equipment and start his own business, then he will understand

>>513284905
And btw, such things the OP image are talking about are a healthy part of capitalism. It's supposed to be an active negotiation between the worker and the business owner, with both of them recognizing and agreeing to the value of the thing they're exchanging.
Siding with the factory owner by default isn't capitalist, that's r/conservatism capitalism. What a job is in a capitalist society is a mutual contract agreed to by worker and employer, and he as a worker can point out when he feels he's being treated unfairly.

>>513274206
Did he build the fucking factory?

>>513273406 (OP)
look up how many bushels of a crop a farmer has to sell before he can afford to buy one meals worth of that crop at a grocery store. the entire economy started leaving the realm of making sense in the 80s

>>513283389
Based

Cool, it's this thread again!

>>513273406 (OP)
Certainly by not adopting the collectivist/communist mind virus who wants to make everyone the same.

>>513285249
DESU it depends on what kind of crop he's selling. If it's a largely automated crop like wheat of course that's the case, but for something like fruit where you're valuing the cost of him picking it my price as a worker is actually just around 4 times the amount I pick, or for something like apples (you just put the apples in the bag) it's higher because those are easier to pick.

For something like wheat where you have extremely advanced and efficient production systems you are actually only talking about 100 dollars per acre profit per year. If you're talking hand-picked peppers at a farmer's market the numbers are much more favorable, maybe just selling a couple peppers.

>>513273406 (OP)
Why doesn't he just make these widgets at home?

>>513274206
Considering the economy of scale, all of your arguments centered on manufacturing, which OTHER WORKERS are responsible for, mind you, can be discounted, as refinement, paint, shipping, etc. can be done inexpensively. Ironically, the reason all of those things are so expensive is not because workers have to get paid to do them, but because greedy assholes have to take a cut for doing nothing. You may say, “the CEO manages everything from quality assurance to the supply chain.” The truth is, such a job hardly justifies a six figure salary. The job is not tremendously difficult or labor intensive and requires little specialized knowledge, if any.

Now, your argument centered on insurance, marketing, regulations, etc. can be discounted because those things shouldn’t exist, at least in the state they currently do. And workers do pay for them in the form of docked pay. So the snarky little rhetorical question, “Does he pay for his group health insurance” is laughably off-base not only because he isn’t getting quality healthcare without exorbitant co-pays, but because that’s one of the thousands of nickel-and-dime contractual slaveries he’s obligated to pay for on a monthly basis.

>>513273406 (OP)
Capitalism fixes you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmcmauM78FE

>>513284651
>Capitalism is fine
Shalom

>>513273406 (OP)
>i make these
He babysits the robot who makes them, and probably isn't even good at that.

>>513277384
Not true.
As the overheads are paid and the profits increase, the organisation employees more wagies, which require more managers and HR roasties. When the roasties reach a certain mass they start creating additional work loads which are not directed to margin and the company starts to reconfigure by removing the White males and replacing them with niggers and women. In time the company then starts to fail and goes into the phase of negotiating its collapse. The HR roasties will always establish roles for themselves as part of that trajectory and the producing anon in OP will be layed off.

>>513274120
Don't forget the power for the building, the water, the rent, the insurance, the over head fir shipping.

Thankfully small brain OP is aiming to solve the world's problems

>>513273406 (OP)
Retarded argument. I make jewelry at my job, that doesn't entitle me to the gold and stones my boss purchased in order for me to create it. Labor is only part of the equation.

>>513286177
This is the true state of the modern economy: overleveraged service sector corporations filled to the brim with middle-aged women, creating bullshit products and employing empty labor to construct buildings that have no practical purpose.

The entire economy is fake.

>>513286215
The corporations make taxpayers pay for those things. Again, this is in total bullshit billionaire apologia. I wouldn’t be surprised if pajeet shills were being paid by ExxonMobil to shill in this thread with pre-written engrams.

The reason these products are so expensive is because there are a lot of workers in white collar jobs who have absolutely no utilitarian value and exist only to launder money.

>>513286469
>I am a good goy: the post

>>513283119
You should go private. You could make a chunk of change selling 100 sandwiches per hour.

>>513273406 (OP)

Does he maintain and own all the equipment it takes to produce those things too? The raw materials? The package? The trucks that ship the product to the vendor?

>>513273406 (OP)
well if he was smart he'd be able to buy all the equipment, intellectual property, and space to be able to create them himself. but he isn't, so he's forced to sell his labor for a shit wage. he's likely just punching a couple buttons on a machine which a child could do lol

>>513286522
Seethe more, you fucking commie. You aren't entitled to shit, no one is.

>>513286627
corporate capture of real estate, regulatory bodies, the IRS, etc. make this practically impossible. Our economic system is designed to keep entrepreneurs from succeeding. Only big jewish corporations are allowed to successfully exist, and they subsist entirely off of speculation fueled by your tax dollars going into private equity.

>>513286627
I absolutely fucking would make absolute fuckloads of money if I could set up a cart or food truck and just cook food somewhere but this is fucking impossible because of JEWS
But then afain, if I could do it so could many others and then the price would be undercut. At least there would be more jobs and cheaper better food, but I guess there would be more food poisoning and lots of shitheads doing bad practices causing illnesses too

>>513286739
>whites arent entitled to a white community
Damn I love conservatism

Friendly reminder that communists aren't people.

>>513286739
>"Yes goy, you're not entitled to a basic standard of living. Now back to work, my second yacht isn't going to buy itself!"

>>513278343
shut the fuck up you cuck ,they took everything from everyone to force them into their game so they could make money, people are now surplus to requitements and only exist to make jews money, die in wars and get fucking kicked around their own lands by outsiders, cunts like you give nothing you take.

>>513286739
stupid motherfucker ,nature gave you everything you ever needed including the right to create communities and guard them, now you have fuck all and your guarded against by the state you utter fucking mong.

>>513286627
>buying the shop costs 500'000$ (not counting the loan cost)
>You need to sell 50'000 sandwiches (times 2 to recoup the costs) before even breaking even while not keeping a cent

>>513273406 (OP)
SHOW ME WHERE THE CAPITALISM IS YOU FUCKING NIGGER. SHOW ME?

CAPITALISM IS DEFINED BY MARX AS YHE PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. NIGGER YOU KNOW WHAT PRIVATE MEANS? THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO SAY. WHERE IN THE WORLD MARKET DOES A GOVERNMENT NOT SUBSIDIZE, TAX, REGULATION OR USE VIOLENCE TO CONTROL THE MARKET.

GOD DAMN ALLL YOU FAGGOTS ARE RETARDED BEYOND HELP.

MUH CAPITALISM MUH CAPITALISM MUH CAPITALISM MUH CAPITALISM

>>513273406 (OP)
It's retarded to even think he's "making" them. What he is doing is operating a machine designed by somebody else that is capable of making 3000 of them an hour. He isn't really doing jack shit. The company that designed the machine and the technicians who fix it when it breaks are the ones ACTUALLY making 3000 of those per hour.

>>513287364
check your 23 and me, you may be part jewish.

>>513289091
i dont care if what we have is a shadow of capitalism because it would be 1 million times worse if it were unfettered. anarchism now please.

>>513283119
this

>>513279830
Does it work though? In the context of history it’s been a couple centuries and things have only gotten worse for everyone in spite of the insane technological advancement that created the circumstances for this system to come into being. In contrast you can say feudalism worked pretty well

>>513290486
Yeah but maintenance and engineers also get jack shit for compensation

>>513284469
If you were to pick 5 of those it would be $16.45-$17.45 and you'd need Walmart+/etc to get free shipping. If I were to walk into any nearby grocery, grab 5 loaves of bread, it would be $15-$25. It's definitely possible to get cheaper bread, but 5 loaves of bread is basically $20.

>>513286215
>>513273406 (OP)
> stupid wagie presses button 500 times a day
>business has to source materials, design, logistics, insurance, rent , utilities, workers insurance etc etc
>wagie idiot things muh labor

>>513273406 (OP)
Model it after the OSRS economy, eliminate slavery

>>513291753
The ge is literally communism

>>513280187
>Government
>Productive
Pick one and only one new fag

>>513279194
Hire white men or get off this board faggot.

>>513280037
>the admin bloat is just an excuse for nepotism
it's also a way to make the CEO look more important because now he has twice as many people working for him, and when women started working they bitch there's too much to do, and they need time off to go tan their ass on the beach or whatever so you have to hire more women to do the job that 1 guy could have done.

>>513285849
Hate the art style, but that got me good

>>513273406 (OP)
He's retarded.
He doesn't "make" anything.
He pulls a lever and operates a machine that makes things. He doesn't make anything.

>>513273406 (OP)
make it impossible to own more than 1 million dollar
the surpus goes directly into the community
infrastructure, affordable housing, social safety nets, affordable food everything is split between the rich and the poor and what does it matter? the rich will have 1 million dollar by the next day again but the rest will just go back to the people

Real capitalism has never been tried.

>>513274480
Nothing stopping him from buying his own cnc machine

>>513292282
retard tier take

>>513292567
why

>>513274480
How do you know he doesn't do all of that himself?

>>513279496
Le hekkin CEO compensation packirinos is barely a drop in the bucket of these companies revenues, why are fractions so filtering for midwits.

What you will endlessly cope about is the real reality that wage suppression comes from doubling the workforce through women in the 20th century and the makework bureaucracy built around them to keep your compensation low as a the (implying) productive class. This is reaping the whirlwind of feminism. Woopsie, turns out amendments passed when the fighting age males were dieing in foreign wars during the end of the guilded age benefitted the rich who would have fucking thunk it. Not even jeets and all net immigration is as big a nuke on your wage potential as the intentional demolition of the nuclear family and rose of the (((two income household))) to the sole benefit of the rich you are the Niggercattle for by seething about their CEO pet caste making millions of their trillions.

>>513273406 (OP)
>>513273406 (OP)
wow he should start a factory building round-square things. he could be like so rich.

no single household should be allowed to posses more than 200k in liquid assets. unmobilized money should go directly in social networks and safety nets. bill gates shouldnt be allowed to fly a private jet, noone should. you cant own more than 2 cars per household. at least 30% of your daily electricity consumption should be covered by regenerative energy.

>>513273406 (OP)
AI ad genetic engineering. Cryo freeze the population into deep sleep until we can colonize the solar system

>>513273406 (OP)
Did he also have the idea to build whatever he's making, find the market for it, design it, buy the necessary tools and materials, rent the land he's working on and gather the people with the necessary expertise in one place?

By making it communism

>>513274480
AI can do both lmao

>>513273406 (OP)
>How do we fix capitalism?https://youtu.be/Hpj5NeM2BUY?si=sXhHul-YB6bGgllu

>>513277088
Cute Kawaii art, Japan is best amazing beautiful country beautiful people 美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美美
so lucky I wish I was born in Japan instead of living in western hell world the sour lands.

most of you are just arguin operating costs
we are talking big boy profits here and in most cases everything above 40% profits are being sacked by leeches. you are quite literally defending nepo babies who never did anything for that money besides hoarding it

>>513294776
look how none of them replies to you

>>513293500
Thats why you lost the war.

Make. Watch the stamping machine, sometimes clear the belt, sweep, laugh with others watching machines, press the stop button just to seem attentive.
Dude ain't making anything. He shows up to watch a machine because a robot and sensors haven't replaced him yet but they will.

>>513294776
>you are quite literally defending nepo babies who never did anything for that money besides hoarding it
As opposed to who?
Somebody that "earned™" something?

>>513273406 (OP)
first you have acquire the targets
and based on the county deed record research ive done theyre hiding behind infinite fictitious persons
good luck finding the nameless faceless merchant attorney descendants of the east india co etc etc etc!

>>513284028
Now you're just derailing and deflecting

>>513292788
if he did do that all by himself he would get paid 3000 widgets an hour

>>513273406 (OP)
Imagine being this fucking stupid
Just imagine

>>513274206
Shalom, kike

>>513284469
>posts HFCS loaded goyslop bread
Shalom kike

>>513299653
That's why he works a factory job

>>513273406 (OP)
>i operate a million dollar machine that makes 3000 an hour
if he could make them himself he could just go into business himself, that is capitalism, but he can't because he's a faggot posting on reddit.

>>513278343
Should that continue on for eternity?

>>513286739
> you will have nothing and be happy or youre a commie

He should make a machine that can make 3,001 an hour and pay a guy 0 worth per day as indentured servants in a foreign african country