Thread 514148973

Isn't it funny how anti-Christfags always end up shooting themselves?
Almost like there's a large weight on those shoulders.
Rest In Shit, you fucking nigger.

>>514148973 (OP)
Pagans are the trannies of religion

Christianity sucks still tho

You literally worship jews ffs

>>514148973 (OP)
I sincerely hope Donald Trump rounds up all of the ant religion christcuck posters and throws them in alligator alcatraz.

>>514149082
>>514149104
>>514149143
>>514149341
Palishits make good fertilizer.

Yes, Palestinians are annoying.

>>514148973 (OP)
hell yeah brother. hail satan or odin or whatever

>>514148973 (OP)
i would too if i were atheist.
imagine waking up and getting out of bed in the morning thinking nothing ultimately matters and you're suffering for no purpose.
>atheist evangelists online try to get me to convert to their depressing empty pseudo-religion.
uhhhhhhhhhhhh no thanks dude.
i'm glad their arguments are so shitty.

UH OH
CANT HELP BUT NOTICE THAT GOD DIDNT STOP IT
WEIRD
ZERO HUMANS DIED TODAY AND NOBODY WENT TO HEAVEN CHRISTVICTIMS

>>514148973 (OP)
suicide is not a low IQ people thing

>>514149448
Here we go: Tranny shoots up a christian school with anti-Israel stuff on their gun, and now the shills are going to equate anyone who shits on christuckery or israel with trannyism or Palestinians. Just as the glowies intended.

>>514149042
this, unironically

>>514151100
To be fair most wops and niggers are taken out by another "brotha" before they have any ability to rationalize taking themselves out first

>>514151215
he was a jew you fucking pagannigger

>>514151238
to rationalize is for non-npcs only, browns and chirstcucks (the same thing) wont be able to do it

>>514149042
A lot of pagan rightwingers from the states I've met irl are mulattos or some sort of Asian mix. I think it's a religious movement for people to larp as white.

>>514151268
The fuck do I care if he was a jew? He was an obvious glowie asset you retarded spic

>>514151215
>and now the shills are going to equate anyone who shits on christuckery
You mean shills? Shills who make hundreds of antichristian threads every single day? Those people? Fuck em.

>>514151665
this is the most ironic thing a person can possibly say

>>514151675
Catholics seem to be getting attacked by federal institutions and trannies since covid what adversaries do paganlarps get besides mean words on forums

>>514151665
>pagan right-wingers
so weird.

>>514151851
They aren't larping as another race pagans usually are in the US at least

>>514151827
Yes goy now remember to support Israel and the ethnic cleansing of palestinians or else you're a tranny

>>514151991
So they are brown and proud?

>>514151897
you cant be a middle eastern cultist (christian) and right-wing

>>514152034
>Frederick the Great was a homosexual
>hates Christianity

Every fucking time, lol. Pagan, sisters, wtf?

>>514151895
Two soldiers got kicked out of the military just for being AFA, for one

>>514152034
Fredrick the great hated other whites that were Slavic or Baltic and he was allegedly a homo

>>514148973 (OP)
You're jewish

>>514151897
Leftwing pagans up until the shitjeet migration were typically the default in the US. To this day they're usually the pagans you'll come across openly larping

>>514152034
>fake atheist quote
sweet, thanks.
i'm collecting them.
do you have any more?

>>514152120
I prefer gay whites over you browns but you probably won't understand that.
>>514152153
>hated other whites
>that were Slavic or Baltic
ha

>>514152276
>I prefer gay whites

LMAO. The semen drinking memes were true after all

>>514149341
It's faggots like this who don't understand what a slippery slope is

>>514151996
>if
>then
Not how it works, retard. I'm not some consensus-driven faggot who gives a shit about narrative. Fucks kikes, fuck the tranny golems the kikes created and fuck you too.

>>514150862
>thinking nothing ultimately matters
I don't think like this nor do I condone the shooting

>>514152276
Even if you see brown people like they're vermin I can't believe a white person that likes his race would say something so stupid. You're probably a mutt

A lot of people are gonna go to Hell. They are going to be very surprised by the time it’s too late, but it was a choice they made. The increase of wickedness and degeneracy is just another sign of the times.

>>514152260
It is a real quote, brown.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia
>>514152347
You are anti-white and brown. Good for you that WW2 ended the way it did.

>>514152396
>heh I am so above the narratives and am a definitely free thinker who does what he wants
>now I'm going to watch my favorite streamer for five hours so he can tell me what to think

>>514152375
And it's faggots like you who don't realize we're all already at the bottom of the hill

>>514152553
you literally drink cum. spiritually a jeet. no wonder they are your pagan brothers, lol

>>514152510
Christcucks go mask of with their anti-white, radical left ideology.

>>514152593
>my favorite streamer
I'm too old for that. My heroes are John Wayne, Adolf Hitler and my father

>>514149042
Based

>>514152606
It's the faggot Christians who begat it.

You are witnessing the seeds you morons have sown

>>514152703
>Didn't deny being a mutt
What are you a mulatto as well?

>>514149042
Origen was literally a tranny

>>514152724
Nigger you need to be 18 to post here

>>514148973 (OP)
Chrisfags seething and malding rn. Love it
t.ranny

>>514152765
Is it?

>>514152724
Pic looks like George Clooney. Just he really was handsome like media said.

>>514151100
Blacks are actually the most "Christian" group in the U.S despite the fact that it blatantly violates the holy covenant between God and His people. It's sinful to portray the covenant as common.

>>514152811
You have the american flag, I'm german.

They have reality issues. Their wishes dictate reality - they try to assert.
>>514149042
This.

>>514151100
Half of all suicides involve alcohol. Alcohol is part of white culture.

>>514152034
He was gay.

>>514148973 (OP)
>Rest In Shit, you fucking nigger.
Very Christian of you OP

>>514152553
>open link
>https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Frederick_II_of_Prussia
>ctrl+f "Christianity is an old
>0 results
k.

anyway, post more profound atheist quotes you've saved please.
i'm specifically interested in ones with marble busts in the image.

>>514152907
Absolutely

>>514152114
I'm a Christian. No we don't use scripture to become a spineless faggot. Nice try.

>>514152937
>the white ancestors were evil, only Middle Eastern brown cultists are good
Peak brown.
>>514153035
and white, somthing you could only deam off

>>514152703
Shut up you long nosed street fouling poohammad brapper nobody asked you anything.
SAYS IT ALL

>>514153104
retard freak

>>514148973 (OP)
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>>514148973 (OP)
It's even funnier how god's plan is to shoot his own followers.

>>514153149
>y-you aren't White!
I am. I also know who my father is, unlike you.

>>514152765
>nobody knows I’m s smelly streetshitter

>>514153137
so your not Christian then

>>514153137
Being comforted by a handsomely depicted Mediterranean fantasy man is pretty gay ngl.

>>514153113
You're sure?

>>514148973 (OP)
Its funny-sad in my mind, because there is so much to genuinely complain about when it comes to so-called "Christianity", yet the so-called pagans aka. Atheists never bother with it. Instead they are content with repeating talking points that were refuted 1000-1500 years ago.

>>514153267
aha!
okay i'll take it off my image
the elipsis tricked me.

this 2011 attribution seems extremely weak, but it's not an outright fabrication like the other things in my image.

>>514153344
Why are you?

>>514153389
100%

>>514153511
No chance it's jews?

>>514153113
>two glasses wearing dweebs
>they're actually faggots
Whites really can't complete with niggers regarding physical superiority. Niggers don't have 50% myopia rates. Long white torsos and short legs are more chimp like too.

>>514149042
this

Why do christians love adopting niggers?

>>514153642
>No chance it's jews?
Ah the old blame game..get some introspection faggot and clean your house

I want to rape christchan so bad.

>>514149042
I never met a real life pagan who wasn't some massive progressive faggot. But hey, at least they 'practice' whatever the fuck their religion is compared to the LARP squad that spams /pol/.

>>514153668
>Whites really can't complete with niggers regarding physical superiority
I'm 6'2, 235lbs and bench at least 300

>>514154155
Unfortunately niggers do not fight with honor. Moment you overpower a nigger, another will come from behind and hit you in the back of the head knocking you out. Guns are how you keep the nigger at bay.

>>514153966
>the old blame game
Nigger you literally started this by blaming all the worlds ills on "faggot Christians"

>>514149042
are these pagans in the room with you right now anon?

>>514151665
funny you kikes are trying to throw pagans in with this whole thing. i dont remember picrel every saying hail wotan. dudes name is 'angel'

>>514154155
>NAWALT in current year
Yet you still come from the only lineage on Earth to have woman rulers. Europeans even modified an Indian board game into chess where the most powerful piece is the queen.

>>514154505
You aren't pagan and you in particular have been at this so long that you stick out like a sore thumb

>>514152487
how do you derive "ultimate" meaning from a foundation that appears to preclude it by its very nature?

under atheism, the universe wasn't created for anything. it just is.
there was no design, no goal, no divine blueprint.
therefore, any concept of "purpose" isn't something we discover etched into the fabric of reality, it's something we as conscious being must invent and impose on it.
it's subjective. a hedonistic drug dealing pimp's life is inherently and ultimately as meaningful as a doctor's (zero).
our purposes we create for ourselves are our own constructions, personal fictions.

we are all temporary chemical processes. our consciousness, our "self" is an emergent property of a biological computer that will inevitably shut down.
when you die, the particular configuration of matter that generates your thoughts, memories, and desires disintegrates.
the person you were ceases to exist in any meaningful way. there is no legacy, no memory, no achievement that is not itself temporary and destined for the same heat death as everything else.
given enough time every trace of every human and everything we ever did will be erased without a remnant.

sure, while we're alive we can create local meaning, joy, and purpose, but these are fleeting concerns on a tiny rock destined to be forgotten.
they have no "ultimate" weight or significance in a universe that is utterly indifferent to them.

>>514154713
and you are jewish

>>514154248
Also true

>>514154338
>Nigger you literally started this by blaming all the worlds ills on "faggot Christians"
Not all the world's ills, just globalhomo

But really, a supposed omniscient and omnipotent being is sitting and watching this happen, willingly

>>514154622
>Yet you still come from the only lineage on Earth to have woman rulers.
I have no idea what you're talking about bro

>>514154942
As opposed to believing in a nonexistent brown Jewish god and throwing away earthly life for a fiction, you are a peak nihilist.

>>514155223
>As opposed to believing in a nonexistent [...]
no

>>514154942
>how do you derive "ultimate" meaning
By finding things that are meaningful? You know, like everyone else??
>>514154942
>under atheism
>goes onto strawman
Bud, atheism is just an opinion about God and gods, that's it

>>514148973 (OP)
That's not a Christian thing to say.

>>514155365
>drops the qualifier (ultimate, ultimately) to answer the question
>says I'M making the strawman
dude.
i was meticulous in my wording for a reason.

also, what i said about the universe not having a telos under atheism logically follows.

>>514148973 (OP)
All Christians are just afraid of killing themselves because of the sin that the Jewish god has forced upon them.

>>514155023
I have spread more antisemitism in this world than rabbi Shmuley Boteach. Well maybe not, but close.

>>514148973 (OP)
haha yeah! christ is king!!!
>slobbers over nigger feet

>>514155918
under the soteriology i subscribe to, i don't think i'd be damned to hell if i kys myself.
however, i'd still be disappointing God and would feel awkward explaining why i'd decided to end it all prematurely.

>>514155182
Whites are the faggot and simp race and just like today's shooting exemplifies that so does European history which is the only history of any people to feature women rulers. You may be jacked, but 50% odds you need corrective lenses, whereas Jamal doesn't, though he's of course stupider.

>>514155723
>>drops the qualifier (ultimate,
Yes because it's subjective and therfore irrelevant

>>514155723
>i was meticulous in my wording for a reason
You didn't need it
>>514155723
>what i said about the universe not having a telos under atheism logically follows
Nope. It's another strawman

>>514148973 (OP)
these athiests just dont get it!
>loves black and brown people
>forgives their daughters killer

>>514156096
>Whites are the faggot and simp race
Sounds like a perosnal problem

>>514156096
>whereas Jamal doesn't
Look up who suffers the most from sickle cell anemia, then look up how painful it is

>>514148973 (OP)
>In 2023, the United States experienced a record high number of firearm suicides, with 27,300 people dying by gun suicide

>homicides germany 2023
>299
>homicides usa 2023
>22830

^^

>>514156302
so when i ask about ultimate meaning, you respond by redefining the question to something else entirely, then declare that my original framing was “irrelevant.”

bold move. it’s like being asked about the existence of objective morality and replying, “i like chocolate ice cream.” technically true, but not remotely responsive.

also, calling atheism “just an opinion about gods” is like saying gravity is “just an opinion about falling.”
sure, atheism technically only rejects belief in deities, but when you build a worldview on that foundation, it has implications. one of those is the absence of cosmic telos.
that’s not a strawman, it’s a consequence.

but hey, if subjective meaning is all that matters, then i guess the question “what is the ultimate meaning of life?” is just a typo. silly me for taking words seriously.
don't respond again with fewer than 500 characters of your own or i won't engage with it.

>>514156669
>so when i ask about ultimate meaning, you respond by redefining the question
Define "ultimate meaning" >>514156669
>also, calling atheism “just an opinion about gods” is like saying gravity is “just an opinion about falling.”
No dummy, atheism is just a disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods. So when someone asks my opinion about God, my response is a lack of belief. That's it

>>514148973 (OP)
Isn't it funny how thousands of christfags drink vodka and going to die for OLIGARKHAT and SKREPY and another bunch is raped by Habib from Aleppo

>>514150862
>imagine waking up and getting out of bed in the morning thinking nothing ultimately matters and you're suffering for no purpose.
sorry that the most likely explanation of reality is rough for you buddy? The way I view it, I lucked out by being born a human in a fairly stable (relatively) country of all things so it's actually quite nice if you look at it from that light.

>>514156864
317 more

>>514151895
catholics are worshippers of the baphomet

>>514157151
Your concession is accepted
>I'm not gonna reply unless you jump through an arbitrary hoop
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.
.
>still replies
Lol, lmao

>>514148973 (OP)
I think christians should stand in solidarity with Israel by letting everyone spit on them like Jews do in Israel.

>>514156962
>sorry that the most likely explanation of reality is rough for you buddy?
i don't think it's the most likely explanation and think the arguments for atheism are retarded. (which is why atheists like the phoneposter i'm corresponding with doesn't make them and instead just goes "nuh uh" to thestic claims)

atheist:
>if God is real, why is there suffering, hmmmmm?? (POE)
me:
>idk man, soul-building theodicy or something, privation of good due to free will and transworld depravity
atheist:
>well, i say bad things happen for no reason and nothing ultimately matters because we're just soulless meat robots in a universe that doesn't care. doesn't that have more explanatory power?
me:
>uhh no, intuition screams against that.

atheist:
>if God is real, why is the universe so big, hmmmmm?? (argument from scale)
me:
>i don't know man, it reflects His grandeur or something. maybe we'll explore it after the resurrection.
atheists:
>well, i say the universe is so big because mankind just isn't special, we're a cosmic accident in a universe that doesn't care. doesn't that have more explanatory power?
me:
>uhh no.

>>514157494
>atheist:
>>if God is real, why is there suffering, hmmmmm?
I've never asked or thought this.

>>514157282
did i say i won't reply or that i won't engage with you?

>>514157650
no one asked.

>>514157655
This idiot doesn't understand how a public forum works

Go back kiddo
>>514157788
Kek go back

>>514157655
>still replying and engaging
Kek

>>514157494
The problem of evil doesn't disprove theism. It's just a simple exercise that shows that Yahweh (the Jewish god from the abrahamic cults) can't actually exist since it's a logical contradiction with reality. Yes, I'm aware of all the usual "answers" and they're all dumb. Other religions don't have this problem since they were constructed by smarter people. I've never seen anyone ever argue anything with regards to the universe's size and god so I have no idea what the fuck you are going with that strawmen.

>>514150862
>>atheist evangelists online try to get me to convert to their depressing empty pseudo-religion.
Dude get the fuck over yourself. You know what? No one gives a fuck about you. They did, but you threw it back in their face. Now you’re truly alone. Idiot. You act like the sky will fall down if you’re not saved. No actually there comes a time when the righteous will celebrate your end.

>>514157960
>i have a formulation of the logical (!) problem of evil that hasn't been debunked yet
whoaaa!
lay it on me champ!

let's go! let's go! let's go!

>>514157151
Thats agnosticism you absolute retard athiesm means you are certain there is no god and or have a strong disdain for god and religious institutions. Athiesm is dogmatic and arrogant and inherently comes from ignorance. agnosticism is rational and correct. Because you never chose to exist and therefore can never know why anything exists. To be an agnostic is fine to be atheist is to be subhuman

>>514150862
Sounds like a personal problem, most atheists are just living their lives not thinking about the end of life and being giddy for an afterlife like some weirdos.

>>514158129
language is subjective.
atheism with no qualifier means all kinds of shit.

>>514158129
> and or have a strong disdain for god and religious institutions

That’s anti theism. But sure, I don’t expect you people to understand outside the usual talking points.

>>514158129
>athiesm means you are certain there is no god
That's gnostic atheism

>>514158093
Do you believe in a god that is simultaneously omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient? If so, this is simply impossible. Just because abrahamic cult worshipers have coped about it for thousands of years doesn't mean they solved the problem.

>>514158332
>pic
this is just carl sagan's retarded taxonomical system
he wasn't even a philosopher and doesn't have the authority to ratify this system as dogma within academia
no one has ever used the term "gnostic theist" ever

this is more in line with how it's categorized outside of /r/atheism
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/

>>514158335
>Do you believe in a god that is simultaneously omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient?
Why? Let me guess, you will apply some ridiculous limiting factor to it based upon your own limitations and apply them to God. I’ll bet.

>>514158299
>atheism with no qualifier
What kind of "qualifier" does a lack if belief need?

>>514158335
>Do you believe in a god that is simultaneously omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient?
yes.
>If so, this is simply impossible.
what makes you say that?

google "skeptical theism" if you want to preempt my response after your next post

>>514158508
This isn't a rebuttal to anything my friend. I'm sorry your 1 dimensional mind can't grasp that gnostic and agnostic are branches in both theism and atheism

>>514157960
>Other religions don't have this problem since they were constructed by smarter people
No one cares to try to disprove something that’s fake anyway. Only Jesus has actually stirred up debate for 2000 years straight. Nobody talks about imposters or bothers to see if they are logical.

>>514158621
?
by qualifier i mean like a word before it.
there's "strong atheism" and "positive atheism" and "explicit atheism" that turn the position into a positive claim.
like "there is no god" rather than the pussyfooting "i don't know if god exists but i say atheism is the default position"

>>514158782
>there is no god"
Still a lack if belief
>>514158782
>atheism is the default position"
It is. Everyone is born an atheist

is there some quick way to filter a userID in a thread like the shortcut in the catalog to hide threads (shift+click)?

>>514159062
Go back to r/eddit you sissy faggot

>>514149042
Pagans don't mutilate their children's genitals in imitation of the jews.

>>514158590
>>514158642
Very simple. It's impossible to reconcile the evil that happens in the universe if there is an all-powerful being that both supposedly cares and can prevent it. All responses to this inherent logical contradiction basically are the equivalent of semantics where you start redefining the meaning of the words to the point of uselessness. Again, only really the abrahamic cult garbage has this problem. Buddhism, native European religions, east asian beliefs, polytheism, etc. don't have this brainrot built into the core of their religion.

>>514158777
>Nobody talks about imposters or bothers to see if they are logical.
worshipping the sun is unironically more logical. Most Animism and the associated polytheistic beliefs all make far more sense than Yahweh.

>>514159062
What a faggot.

>>514148973 (OP)
You have no foreskin.

>>514148973 (OP)
>Isn't it funny how anti-Christfags always end up shooting themselves.
They only end themselves during or after SOME of their terror attacks, not when beheading/stabbing kuffar - and it's because they hope to sit at Allah's table.

>>514159158
>All responses to this inherent logical contradiction basically are the equivalent of semantics
did you watch some tv show where a smart guy just says "meh, that's just semantics" to win an argument?
what exactly do you mean by "basically are the equivalent of semantics?"
semantics is "MEANING"
it's the architecture of thought.
if you're dismissing semantic analysis, you're rejecting the very tools that allow coherent reasoning.

redefining terms isn't evasion, it's precision.
philosophers have spent centuries refining concepts like "omnipotence" and "evil" because sloppy definitions lead to sloppy conclusions.
if your argument hinges on rigid colloquial meanings then it's not a logical contradiction, it's a linguistic one.

so to be clear, is this a serious engagement with the logical structure of theism, or just a thinly veiled tantrum against a tradition you dislike?

>>514159875
I already said "where you start redefining the meaning of words to the point of uselessness". I don't know what was unclear about that.

>a serious engagement with the logical structure of theism
I already said that the problem of evil doesn't disprove theism. It is just a logical contradiction inherent in a particular set of beliefs that a large amount of people happen to have. What do you not understand.

>>514148973 (OP)
We just had a school shooter that was an atheist you dumb troon

>>514148973 (OP)
>tranime
kys

>>514160135
alright let's cut the chase, your insist there's a "logical contradiction" in the tri-omni God + evil, yet you haven't given a single formal premise or definition.
in logic, a contradiction is a specific set of propositions that cannot all be true at once, so lay them out.

1: define omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence, and "evil"
2: state your premises in the form a syllogism
3: demonstrate the inconsistency step by step.

until you do, "it's just a contradiction" is not an argument.
and you say it doesn't "disprove theism" yet you call it a contradiction.
how can something be merely "inherent in a belief-set" without refuting that belief-set outright?
you're either disputing a principle (in which case, identify which one) or you're venting theological prejudice.

so which is, do you reject
>that God can eliminate gratuitous suffering
>that God has morally sufficient reasons we can't grasp, or
>that our definitions of "all-good" and "all-powerful" are too naive?
spell out your argument in full or admit this isn't a logical refutation, it's just rhetoric.

>>514160637
>let's fight here we go rah rah rah!
actually i have to leave for an hour and the thread will probably be dead when i get back
i don't expect a serious engagement, maybe i'll be pleasantly surprised when i get back to my computer and hit f5, or maybe i'll see goatse

>>514148973 (OP)
>Rest In Shit, you fucking nigger.
They were a cracker.

>>514160637
>alright let's cut the chase, your insist there's a "logical contradiction" in the tri-omni God + evil, yet you haven't given a single formal premise or definition.
>in logic, a contradiction is a specific set of propositions that cannot all be true at once, so lay them out.
This is easy.

It's always bad to murder and rape kids. Do you agree?

>>514160637
now he is doing the jordan person thing
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Z5egM5piFec

>>514149042
Pagans are atheists who are still in the PTSD phase of dealing with Jew evangelical heretics. I get it it, I was one for a while. It’s hard to reconcile Christianity when you’ve grown up in America and the most supposedly “devout Christians” are all jew cocksuckers. Studying history made me realize the truth. Praise Christ and Holy Orthodoxy

>>514151991
The entire christian religion is about larping as jews.

>>514160637
Why are you being such a dumb faggot. you know exactly what I mean. It's very simple. Look here's some bullet points.

Omnipotence: can literally do anything
Omniscience: knows literally everything
Omnibenevolence: is perfectly good morally.
Evil: things that are bad morally.

If god exists and he is all three of those omni-things, no evil should happen in this world because any perfectly good moral being would stop evil from happening. Therefore, a logical contradiction in reality.

>and you say it doesn't "disprove theism" yet you call it a contradiction.
>how can something be merely "inherent in a belief-set" without refuting that belief-set outright?

Are you retarded? I already said that I'm disputing the notion a god that possesses all three of these properties multiple times. This doesn't go against all theism. There's a fuck ton of theists that DON'T believe these things so this problem is irrelevant to them because they don't believe in something inherently retarded. You were the one that brought up the problem of evil by the way. It wasn't even me.

>>514148973 (OP)
>christcucks riding high on the psyop mk ultra literally sponsor by kikes
kek, parcel for the golems. never aware of the parasite behind the curtain.

>>514161194
Well said anon

>>514148973 (OP)
Based. Yeshua is king!

>>514148973 (OP)
it was a kike, kike

let's see.
>>514161194
you (sort of) accomplished 1 (defining the terms)
but didn't even attempt 2 and 3
failure.
>>514160910
didn't even attempt to formulate an argument, just starting talking about pedophilia (creep)
failure.
>>514161081
just started talking about jordan peterson
failure.

i'm not impressed guys.
fyi, even atheist academics admit the logical(!) formulation of the problem of evil is quashed and instead go with the evidentiary argument from gratuitous suffering.

>>514148973 (OP)
They are allowing the devil to possess them

>>514149042
>>514161129
>catholic murders a bunch of catholic kids
>christians attack pagans for no reason

>>514149042
>First post best post
>1 post by this id
>meme flag
Absolute hohol detected

>>514166189
We all know it was a mentally ill troon with government kike connected family and not a “Catholic” lying demon

>>514166376
you just described every catholic anon

Isn't it grotesque how you and Alex Karp are trying to conflate anyone that happens to say something negative about Christianity with each other.
Robin Westman is rotting in shit now. That much is true. But you are insufferable. Those kids were victims of both Westman and Catholicism.

>>514152260
the marcus aurelius quote is taken directly from Meditations, I read the book myself.

>>514166914
but aurelius was not an atheist he was a stoic, he still believed in the gods. he was just arguing that even if there were no gods you should still live an honorable life

>>514166914
you find a primary source for it and i'll burn my bible.

>>514165456
Why do insist on being this insufferable and refuse to engage in the substance of anyone's argument? I stated the problem as a very simple form of deductive reasoning. Just because I didn't meet your autistic formatting needs, you refused to engage with it which is extra dumb because you already know the argument being made here. But here I'll just restate my sentence just for you which says exactly the same thing I already said.

1. God exists.
2. Evil exists.
3. Therefore god cannot be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent because otherwise he would stop evil from existing.

What's YOUR answer to this? Can you stop deflecting for once in your life please?

>>514166914
the closest you'll find is this:
>"Now departure from the world of men is nothing to fear, if gods exist: because they would not involve you in any harm. If they do not exist, or if they have no care for humankind, then what is life to me in a world devoid of gods, or devoid of providence? But they do exist, and they do care for humankind: and they have put it absolutely in man's power to avoid falling into the true kinds of harm."
which says gods absolutely exist and if they didn't you should kys because life is not worth living devoid of gods and providence.

notice it's nothing like this completely made up redditism that says you should just live a good life anyway.
>"Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them"

>>514151215
> going to equate anyone who shits on christuckery with trannyism
but it's always been obvious that's who you are, that or fags and Jeets.

It almost always comes out in the end that the root of your frustration with God comes from being forbidden to do what "feels good", and the only thing that "feels good" that God forbids is being a fucking faggot. Anti-christians are ALWAYS coom brained gooners larping as far right fanatics because you can push any pill here, red, black, white, blue or, pink, as long as you sugar coat it in antisemitism.

It's all so obvious to anyone that's paying even the so attention.

ONLY TRANNIES ARE AUTISTIC ENOUGH TO DOGGEDLY KEEP MAKING THE SAME THREAD OVER AND OVER AGAIN DAY AFTER DAY YEAR AFTER YEAR. IT'S LITERALLY HOW THEY ASSERT POWER OVER THE INTERNET.

>>514167476
I figured it was grossly misquoted. thanks for actually looking up the quote anon

>>514167358
Word concept fallacy

Your syllogism mistakes evil for a “thing” God should simply eliminate by fiat. In Orthodox thought, evil is the misuse of created freedom. God, being love, does not annihilate freedom but redeems it through the Cross and Resurrection. Thus, the existence of evil is not proof against His omnipotence or goodness. it is precisely the context in which His power and goodness are revealed. Evil is the privation or absence of God. The ability to disobey God is a necessary aspect of independent will. In order to create beings with independent will it is necessary that they have the ability to turn from God’s will. God allows this because it is the logical necessity of what defines us as conscious beings capable of choice rather than inanimate objects.

>>514167358
thanks for finally attempting a syllogism.
unfortunately, it's malformed. the conclusion doesn't follow deductively from your premises.
you've asserted
>God exists
>evil exists
>therefore, God cannot be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent
this is not a valid deductive structure.
you're missing the necessary conditional premise:
>if God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, then evil would not exist
that's the claim you need to defend, not just assume.

and that's where skeptical theism, the free will defense, soul-making theodicies and divine hiddenness all enter the chat.
they're not just semantic games, they're serious philosophical responses to the exact premise you're handwaving.

so here's my answer,
i reject your hidden premise. i don't accept that a tri-omni God must eliminate all evil immediately or entirely for His existence to be coherent. you've confused your moral intuition with logical necessity.
if you want to argue that "no morally sufficient reason could ever justify evil" then make that case. but don't pretend you've already done it.

>>514148973 (OP)
>>514149042
Hey samefaggot.

I will.NOT worship a new!

Ugh...I know

I'm sorry¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHA

I just refuse to worship a jew is all.

>>514159158
>Very simple. It's impossible to reconcile the evil that happens in the universe if there is an all-powerful being that both supposedly cares and can prevent it
Heaven and hell reconcile that problem, I've never understood why people who complain about the problem of evil don't understand that.

The evil that you suffer in life is an infinitesimal blip compared to eternity in heaven, and if you go to hell then you ARE evil, and your suffering is deserved. So where's the problem? It all gets sorted in the afterlife.

Evil is only a problem in a universe that has no God, where evil is allowed to persist as the norm without consequence, i.e. the atheistic material universe that is held up as the supposed solution to the "problem" of evil .

>>514167790
>Evil is the privation or absence of God. The ability to disobey God is a necessary aspect of independent will
Then he's not omnipotent.

>>514167863
Oh my god you chucklefuck, these are pointless word games and you know it. I've already state the exact equivalent of that claim multiple times.

>i don't accept that a tri-omni God must eliminate all evil immediately or entirely for His existence to be coherent. you've confused your moral intuition with logical necessity.
You can't just "not accept" it. It has literally nothing to do with my "moral intuition". It is simply the logical consequence of what must happen (or what doesn't happen in this case) if such a being with all of those properties existed. It's no different than saying how the sun emits light because it's a celestial body with a giant nuclear reactor.

>>514168920
The afterlife is literally completely irrelevant to this. If you say hell exists (a place of eternal punishment for things you do in temporary life), I would say the problem actually gets even worse but it's not important to the discussion.

Pagans don't worship a jew in rags.

>>514148973 (OP)
Christianity is the brownest religion ever, even more so than Islam. This Jewish mind virus causes whites to hate other whites, and turn the other cheek when their masters hate them. All while they are subservient and do nothing. Where else to project this inner rage than pol? Posting faggy fantasies of their opponents committing suicide. When the reality is most people are apathetic to a dead jew, nothing more.

>>514169084
saying "a tri-omni God must eliminate all evil" is not a self-evident truth, it's a premise.
and like any premise, it demands justification. you haven't provided any. you've just repeated it with increasing aggression, as if emotional escalation compensates for logical deficiency.

your analogy to the sun emitting light is laughably misplaced.
that's a physical necessity grounded in observable laws of physics.
you're trying to equate that with a metaphysical claim about divine action and moral reasoning, two entirely different domains.

if you want to argue that a perfectly good, all-powerful, and all-knowing being must eliminate all evil, then you need to show:
>why no morally sufficient reason could justify permitting evil
>why omnibenevolence entails zero tolerance for suffering
>why omnipotence must be exercised in every instance of evil
until you do that, your "logical contradiction" is just a rhetorical flourish.

so no, i don't "just accept" your premise. i reject it because it's unargued.

>>514169084
Hell is only a place of punishment from a human perspective. From a cosmic perspective it's simply the consequence of evil. Think of it like drowning when you fall down a well, it's not a punishment, it's simply the consequence of gravity conflicting with your biological limitations. If you don't want to drown in the well then don't do things that will cause you to fall into it.

>>514165456
>didn't even attempt to formulate an argument, just starting talking about pedophilia (creep)
>failure.
So I'll ask again
>>514160910
>It's always bad to murder and rape kids. Do you agree?
Weird you can't seem to answer this

>>514148973 (OP)
Sis, your false god just let a bunch of your kids die. Get some fucking perspective, you atheist.

>>514149042
All modern chriggers are actually just low IQ atheists. You don't actually believe anything, but you're consensus filter women so you still need to feel like you belong to a school so you little fishies can still feel safe from getting eaten.

>>514169529
>saying "a tri-omni God must eliminate all evil" is not a self-evident truth,
It is when you also describe this being as loving, all good and/or benevolent

>>514150364
Satan is jewish and odin is germanic. Germaniggers are basically jews and they helped kikes take over the world. Now let's talk about the Sun, shall we and how you need to fucking bow.

>>514169122
Butthurt Chinaman detected.
See the difference that you're glossing over is that the people in hell objectively deserve to be there, while the dog is just a dog. Perishing in Hell is the natural consequence of a life of sin. Being roasted alive by one of your cousins on the other hand is not the natural consequence of simply being a dog.

>>514169529
A tri-omni god would not design a universe that required evil in the first place. He has to be lacking on one of these traits in some way otherwise we wouldn't have this system.

>>514169560
Basically the same as what I said above. God wouldn't have created a system like this if he was omnibenevolevent, omnipotent, and omniscient.

>>514149042
but what does that make atheists and liberals then?

>>514152396
That's exactly how it works. Now shut the fuck up, you fat glownigger spic.

>>514169842
you're still assuming what you haven't proven: that a universe containing evil is logically incompatible with a tri-omni God.
that’s not a conclusion, it’s a premise you keep repeating like it's self-evident. it's not.

you say "a tri-omni God would not design a universe that required evil."
but that's just a statement of personal incredulity, not a deductive argument.
you haven't shown why omnibenevolence must entail the elimination of all evil, nor why omnipotence must be exercised to prevent it in every case.

philosophers like plantinga, hick, and swinburne have offered coherent models where evil plays a necessary role in soul-making, free will, or epistemic distance.
you can disagree, but you don’t get to call it a contradiction unless you can demonstrate that no possible world exists where a tri-omni God allows evil for morally sufficient reasons.

until you do that, you're not exposing a flaw in theism.
you're just expressing distaste for a metaphysical framework you haven’t fully engaged with.

so again: either show the contradiction formally, or admit you’re arguing from intuition, not logic.

>>514170047
>that a universe containing evil is logically incompatible with a tri-omni God.
It is when you also describe this God as benevolent, all good, loving, etc.

Not sure why you can't grasp that

>>514148973 (OP)
>Rest In Shit, you fucking nigger.
E-christcucks make me laugh. Say that in temple, I mean church, and see what happens you fucking phonies.

Sex with Christ-chan.

>>514170047
>that a universe containing evil is logically incompatible with a tri-omni God
I'll just repeat myself and the other anon, but it is if you also say is omnibenevolent. It's not benevolent to allow evil to exist.

>>514148973 (OP)
Figured out you worship a dead king Jew and your church is full of pedos and rapists?

>>514166189
>a 50-year-old man trying to make shitty reaction images to use for his shitty youtube videos

>>514169688
This. Going out of high school about a decade ago I was on the path to becoming a pastor, and the sheer disconnect between what christfags online portray the religion as, what the church teaches, and what the book teaches is utterly ridiculous. Especially on this board, these coons are writing fanfiction.

>Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

>>514170284
>i give up trying to demonstrate it logically, but i'm still going to keep repeating myself
this is your brain on atheism.
c'mon, you're better than this anon.

>>514170047
>either show the contradiction formally, or admit you’re arguing from intuition, not logic.
When you make the claim that your tri-omni God is benevolent, loving, all/ultimate good. Then by that very nature anything opposite of this would not occupy the same space as this being. As they have all the power, all knowledge and foresight to detect it before hand and remove it before it even came to exist.

If this being can't do that, then they are not all powerful, if they refuse then they are not all good, benevolent, loving etc

>>514170499
Atheism is literally written right into the religion. It is impossible to be a chrigger without being an atheist because forget the old testament, just from the new testament alone all the authors contradict each other. The gospels have jesus telling christians to keep kosher, while saul is telling everyone to be neoliberals and do whatever makes you feel good.

>>514154407
Thankfully no, they’re out in the woods having gay sex and becoming one with Odin or whatever they do

Washing feet is cool, bro.

>So Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their superiors exercise authority over them. But it shall not be this way among you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, and whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all. For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.”
Mark 10:42-45

Look at this slave morality: "whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all."

>>514170577
You simply can't refute the argument. It's very obvious. You consistently misrepresent your own position either because you're that stupid or you're disingenuous to try and flip flop between definition

>>514170577
This specific argument has nothing to do with atheism. Plenty of theists believe in gods that aren't bound by these rules. It is just your personal interpretation that suffers from this problem. I've noticed that you keep having this reoccurring problem where you don't acknowledge people that believe in a different god than you.

Anyways try this simple one for you.

1. Innocent white kid gets gunned down by a gang of niggers.
2. This act is evil and completely pointless (no nonsense about "necessary suffering" here).
3. Therefore, god is not omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient.

>>514170654
It's not about becoming meek, it's about anti-materialism.

>>514148973 (OP)
>christians have never shot themselves

>>514170803
I'm curious: can you define "slave morality" without buzzwords?

>>514169084
>then he’s not omnipotent

According to how you’re defining the word perhaps not. What is that supposed to be an argument for exactly? No different than a “can God make a rock too heavy to lift” literal reddit tier trash. The logical structure of reality is dictated by His nature, trying to apply a logical trap argument with semantic word games is literally as stupid as saying “heh imagine if God like hecking wasn’t God”.

>>514170858
It's useless bro. These are the same people who will defend rape and murder of kids as long as their favorite flavor of god says so

It's why he won't answer the question
>It's always bad to murder and rape kids. Agreed?

He won't do it and if he does, it's will some bullshit excuses

>>514170654
You have no idea of the context of any of those statements.

>>514170939
"whoever wants to be first must be the slave of all."

>>514169842
>God wouldn't have created a system like this if he was omnibenevolevent, omnipotent, and omniscient.
Just because you say so does not make it so.
Personally I find the idea of evil being sent to hell to be the absolute peak of benevolence, anything else is cruelty in my opinion.

See here's the problem with the "problem of evil".
It's inherently just a word game. Pilpul.
It exploits the limitations of human language to create a "contradiction" that fundamentally cannot be resolved because of how language works .The burden is always placed on the theist to resolve the logical contradiction of the kind all knowing all powerful God not knowing a way that He can remove evil from the equation.

The atheist never explains the logical impossibllity of a universe without evil though.How do you make it impossible to commit an evil action without also eliminating free-will, which would be evil and thereby make the elimination of evil logically impossible?. I suppose the assumption is that God is simply powerful enough to do the impossible.

Yet if God is powerful enough to do the impossible and resolve that contradiction then why can't he just just resolve it in the way that Christians say, and allow evil to exist while also being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, in defiance of all the fat little fedora wearing men shrieking " you can't do that it's a logical contradiction"?

>>514171057
>According to how you’re defining the word perhaps not
What's hard to understand about being all powerful?

>>514171077
No. Try again.

>ummm, please define slave morality
>ur taking us out of context!!

Become a eunuch for heaven's sake!

Also riddle me this, christcucks.If this terminally online try hard that masked himself with pol rhetoric online to throw people off and just be an ironic little shit hated Christianity so much then why did he seem to be the most forgiving and throwing the most cover for his mother at the end of that cringe suicide letter thing while he seems to have denigrated his sister to an extent?

>>514151100
>you are far less likely to become a suicide statistic if your killed in a drive-by shooting before the age of 21

>>514171330
Addendum. You know. The mother that worked as a teacher at the catholic school he shot up?

>>514170858
you've now resorted to emotionally loaded hypotheticals because your non-argument lacks the rigor to stand on its own.
absolute desperation.

let's dissect your "simple" syllogism.
>p1: a horrific act occurs
>p2: you declare it "pointless" and "evil"
>c: therefore, God cannot be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent
this is not a logical deduction. it's a leap from emotional reaction to metaphysical conclusion.
you haven't demonstrated that the act is gratuitous, only that it's horrifying.
horrifying =/= logical contradiction.

you assume without arguing
>that omnibenevolence entails the elimination of all suffering
>that omnipotence must be exercised to prevent every evil
>that omniscience implies intervention
none of these are logically necessary.

you're not exposing a contradiction. you're exposing your inability to distinguish emotional outrage from metaphysical analysis.
drop the tantrums, present real arguments.

>>514171057
If the absence of God is evil (implying that God is omnibenevolent), and evil does exist then it simply means he's not omnipotent.

>>514171186
>Personally I find the idea of evil being sent to hell to be the absolute peak of benevolence
Being eternally tortured for a finite amount of bad things you might have done in your life is benevolent? If you actually believe that, you are insane.

>The atheist never explains the logical impossibllity of a universe without evil though.How do you make it impossible to commit an evil action without also eliminating free-will, which would be evil and thereby make the elimination of evil logically impossible?
Uh what are you talking about, I see people bring that up all the time. An omnsicient god and free will is one of the oldest debates out there. It's not particularly relevant to this discussion but it's certain not something people don't discuss.

>>514170858
>Innocent White kid goes to heaven.
>Getting shot is a meaningless blip compared to eternity.
>"Innocent" white kid goes to hell.
>Clearly this kid wasn't actually innocent after all and the world is better off without him
Where is the problem?

>>514171499
>you haven't demonstrated that the act is gratuitous
Why are you lying? He literally said
>>514170858
>Innocent white kid gets gunned down by a gang of niggers.
>innocent
It's incredible how disingenuous and liars /pol/ Christians are.

>>514170156
Omg how retarded you are. So if God makes you able to choose be good (with him) or evil (without him) equals him not being good, benevolent or loving is like saying only this kind of Father who gives you no choice no freedom but force you to only obey him can be loving, benevolent or good.

>>514170637
Old testament god:
>yep im bloodthirsty and jealous and just kill niggers because we hate the gaygans

New testament god:
>kumbaya my lord, kumbaya

That being said, there are still beautiful stories in the Bible if you analyze it as a piece of historical fiction. "Jesus wept" still gives me goosebumps, I can't imagine the weight I'd feel upon my shoulders bearing such a burden. Too bad it doesn't mean anything because they just revived him kek

>>514171499
>>that omnibenevolence entails the elimination of all suffering
Wrong, another disingenuous misrepresentation, a strawman. Not the elimination of suffering but evil. Two very different things

Another example of how disingenuous amd dishonest you are

>>514171499
Uh yes the point of a syllogism is that the propositions are assumed to be true. I didn't think asserting that shooting an innocent white child is evil would be such a hot take but if you disagree with that we can have that discussion. So I'll ask you. Is shooting an innocent white kid evil? yes or no?

>>514171697
>So if God makes you able to choose be good (with him) or evil (without him) equals him not being good
There wouldn't be a choice to begin with because there would be no there option to pick but the good one.

Try again kiddo

>>514171549
If dying and going to heaven is so good, then why aren't more innocent kids being shot?

>>514171499
>present real arguments
We have. Yoi either dodge them or purposely misrepresent them in favor for a strawman you can fight.

You are not an honest person

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Matthew 5:5

>>514148973 (OP)
Demons can't leave their host until the host dies or is driven out by the power of God. That's why they compel the host to suicide once their work is done.

>>514171531
> If the absence of God is evil (implying that God is omnibenevolent), and evil does exist then it simply means he's not omnipotent

How so? In order for us to exist as human beings he requires us to have the choice to obey his will or not. It is something he permits in order for our existence to be a thing. If He wanted to “get rid of it” He could but human consciousness would become impossible; “humans” would be indistinguishable from rocks or other inanimate matter

>>514171531
>Being eternally tortured for a finite amount of bad things you might have done in your life is benevolent? If you actually believe that, you are insane.
Why is it insane to believe that actions should have consequences?
We execute men for murder. An infinite punishment, for a finite action. This is justice and justice is benevolent to the victims of injustice. If you believe otherwise then YOU are insane.

>Uh what are you talking about, I see people bring that up all the time. An omnsicient god and free will is one of the oldest debates out there. It's not particularly relevant to this discussion but it's certain not something people don't discuss.

How is it not relevant to the discussion?
If a universe without evil is itself a logical impossibllity that can only be resolved through handwaving, then the Christians are perfectly justified in handwaving away your so called "problem" of evil

>>514149042
It is funny you say that but tradional Christian churches were based on Pagan temples and not Jewish ones.

>>514171959
I didn't say it was good, I said it wasn't a problem. If it was good the niggers wouldn't go to hell for doing it

>>514172101
>How so?
Because he presented an evil option to begin with. Thus violating his omnibenevolent claim. And since he won't remove it its either he's not omnipotent or he's malevolent

To me, it's extremely evil to throw someone into a sinful world riddled with a Hodge podge of rabbit hole religions, then somehow expect them to choose christ before their uncertain final day. If you speak to anyone who is devout in their own beliefs, it's clear they've chosen what feels right.

Imagine a maze, and laid across this labyrinth are 6 different kinds of cheese. The only key to escape is to eat the "correct cheese", but what if they take a specific liking to one that is incorrect? Can we blame them for choosing what "feels right" and not seeking out the correct one?

>>514171908
How much do they pay you? Kike

>>514171197
That image reminds me of "The Treasury of Merit". talk about slave morality.

>>514172323
>he presented an evil option

He created independent beings with consciousness ie human souls. In order to have conscious independent beings they must have the ability to act out of accordance with the Will of God unlike rigid inanimate things. It’s a logical necessity for human consciousness that “evil” exist. If your argument is that God should wipe out all possibility of human consciousness and freedom so we can all just be the equivalent of organic rocks, I struggle to see how that’s somehow a “moral good” according to your own purview (not that you have any justification or standard for making any moral judgments in the first place, which is the irony of all of this)

>>514171821
of course shooting an innocent child is evil. that's not the debate.
the question is whether the existence of evil logically contradicts the existence of a God who's omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent.

you keep asserting that it does, but haven't shown why.
you're assuming a perfectly good, all-powerful, all-knowing being would NECESSARILY prevent all evil.
but that's not a logical law, just your personal expectation of how such a being should be have.

here's the problems:
1: you haven't ruled out the possibility that evil serves a purpose beyond your comprehension.
2: you haven't shown that allowing evil is incompatible with perfect goodness
3: you haven't demonstrated that omnipotence must be exercised to prevent every evil

you're not presenting a logical contradiction, you're presenting your emotional reaction and calling it logic.
so yes, evil exists. but unless you can prove that no morally sufficient reason could ever exist to justify its existence, your argument is just irritating internet atheist screeching dressed up as deduction.

also, what the hell is this?
>the point of a syllogism is that the propositions are assumed to be true
where did you hear that?
a syllogism is a deductive structure where the conclusion follows necessarily from the premises IF the premises are true.
but the premises themselves are not assumed to be true by default, they're asserted and must be defended if challenged.

i know i'm not going to sway you in this thread and you're going to keep tutting at me.
but i adjure you, spend some time over the next week learning philosophy/logic.
it might cure your atheism or it might not, but it will definitely make you more uh... yeah.
topics i'd look up:
>syllogisms
>epistemology
>ontology
>modal logic
>theodicy
>metaphysics
>axiology
>philosophy of religion
>cognition bias
>principle of charity

>>514148973 (OP)
Sould have been tradcath like peggy flanagan. Oh wait. He was.

>>514172510
>He created independent beings with consciousness ie human souls
No he didn't, he created clueless beings in a safe space and let Satan in to tempt them.

Again, this violates the claims he's omnibenevolent because he let evil in and/or he's not omnipotent because he couldn't remove it nor detect it before hand

>>514148973 (OP)
>>514149082
Christfaggots vs Troonfaggots is getting old and they both contribute to absolutely retarded culture wars on the internet that get people killed in real life.

>>514149341
We're not to blame for tranny faggots -- christcucks started battles with them for years and everyone suffers.

How come troons dodge blame here? It's about troons being troons not about pretending christcucks are the victim all the time.

>>514172563
>but haven't shown why
This is a lie. We have. Then you purposely strawman the argument to change it to something else.

>>514171802
I prefer this version. Better writing and worldbuilding to be honest.

>>514172885
>Christfaggots vs Troonfaggots
The shooter was both. Struggling with his faith was clearly a large part of his mental disorder.

>>514172400
Lol this isn't even what modern chriggers believe. They literally worship money and power. That and conformity are the only 3 things chriggers actually believe in.

>>514172510
>>514172563
Stop wasting time. They are glowniggers workin only to make the lurker have harder time to find the truth. You guys have presented your argument perfectly and they just dont get it or pretend to not get it. Typical Confusion Spell from the tribe.

>>514172563
>1: you haven't ruled out the possibility that evil serves a purpose beyond your comprehension
Here's your problem. You can't conceive of a reason why an omnibenevolent being would even need to use evil as a tool. So, you then reverse that and expect us to answer your logical fallacy because you know it's a logical fallacy

Again, you're a fucking scum bag

>>514148973 (OP)
I pray for the victims and their families

>>514172872
The point of the Adam and Eve story is that it was the maturation of human consciousness. They were essentially like children; they were purely innocent at first but were permitted to become befallen by evil in the process of the full maturation of human consciousness

God extended Jesus Christ to incarnate and establish the Christian Church so that fully mature human consciousness could find a way to reconcile and come back with him in a process of development and fulfillment

>>514148973 (OP)

Spic Fuentes is the worst thing that ever happened to the far-right.

>>514173146
>make the lurker have harder time to find the truth
You faggots do that with your consistent strawmanning and purposeful misrepresentation

>>514173146
i'm only half wasting my time.
i'm not reading ghost of mesa's (mEznCt0T) posts.
i think OoRsZLrX is redeemable, just confused.
it's good that he has such a strong reaction to suffering and a notion of right and wrong, just needs to better identify why that is and why it wouldn't make sense in a world without God.

>>514173247
>but were permitted to become befallen by evil
Then God is not omnibenevolent

Here's a question for you.

It's always bad and wrong to murder kids. Agreed?

>>514173446
>i'm not reading ghost of mesa's (mEznCt0T) posts.
Because I defeat you

Every
Single
Time

I know you read and seeth at my messages though :^)

>>514173479
>God is not omnibenevolent

You have no objective basis for what “good” or “benevolent” actually are, so declaring this when you can’t even ground it as a concept seems nonsensical.

>>514173446
>it's good that he has such a strong reaction to suffering
Notice gow this clown flip flops between suffering and evil. He does this intentionally to weasel between how he replies. Suffering isn't evil. We are talking about evil

"I am a Christian. He who answers thus has declared everything at once -- his country, profession, family; the believer belongs to no city [nor country or nation] on Earth but to the heavenly Jewrusalem."
- St. John Chrysostom

>>514173654
>You have no objective basis for what “good” or “benevolent” actually are
No one does, clearly that's why any attempts to assign these attributes to a being, always turn into logical fallacies

Nor belong to Western civilization.

>>514173654
Christians always do this garbage when cornered, turn it into a conversation on epistemology and assert that no moral framework besides their own is valid

>>514173446
>Ghost of Mesa

Ahh is that who that guy is? He does seem like a very obsessed schizo, he’s been in Christian school threads for months at least with the same argument. To extend the benefit of the doubt to him, I would use the same approach when I was still inquiring and trying to understand Christianity, though I was never quite as obsessed

>>514172563
>you haven't ruled out the possibility that evil serves a purpose beyond your comprehension.
"God works in mysterious ways bros don't question it". what a convincing argument. Everytime some innocent child dies from cancer or some other bullshit it's just "god working in mysterious ways". man feels good to cop out just like that and not question anything.
>you haven't shown that allowing evil is incompatible with perfect goodness
You're not perfectly good by definition if you allow evil and are able to prevent it. If I can hypothetical prevent a murder by calling the cops but choose not to, then I can not claim sainthood.
>you haven't demonstrated that omnipotence must be exercised to prevent every evil
If you're omnibenevolent at the same time, yes.

>a syllogism is a deductive structure where the conclusion follows necessarily from the premises IF the premises are true.
oh my god why are we doing this again. yes obviously the premises have to be true. That's my point. You previously whined about me declaring p2 to be "pointless" and "evil" thus implying that you disagreed with the premise but then turned around and agreed with it (seemingly) here. fuck off

>>514173858
> no moral framework besides their own is valid

The assertion is that outside of the Christian philosophical paradigm there is no logically coherent and fully integrated way to justify objective moral claims or value judgments, which is in fact true; you are free to try and present one though it hasn’t been done in all of human history so it might be a tough one.

>>514173807
See above

>>514148973 (OP)
>Rest In Shit, you fucking nigger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins
Have fun in Hell

>>514174033
>objective moral
Demonstrate an objective moral

You won't be able to, watch

>>514174033
>The assertion is that outside of the Christian philosophical paradigm there is no logically coherent and fully integrated way to justify objective moral claims or value judgments,

I'm objectively morally correct on everything, any deviancy from my own opinions is incorrect as I am a divine being :)

>>514174110
Well moral judgments are innately tried to truth claims; the fact that truth is possible and the laws of logic exist demonstrate that there is objective value/purpose innate to the world and existence. For example, you’re here attempting to argue in favor of a certain view presumably because you feel that it’s true and other people are wrong. Why does this matter to you? Is it better that people believe true things? If not, how do justify your own purposes in attempting to engage in this conversation?

>>514172102
Executing someone is a finite punishment. They die and it's over. They don't suffer eternally. That's a very big difference. Don't pretend it's the same thing.

>If a universe without evil is itself a logical impossibllity
No it isn't. There could easily be no life in the universe and bam now there's no evil. Or if you want something different, we call just be genetically wired to only do good things. For an omnipotent being, it's shouldn't be hard.

>>514174160
See that’s an argument from subjective feelings which doesn’t hold up to logical scrutiny. You can scrutinize the logic behind Christian moral frameworks and see how they’re consistent, however you cannot do the same for your own worldview

>>514174269
Again,
>>514174110
>Demonstrate an objective moral
Just one.

>>514174340
No? My own worldview is internally consistent. I'm top dog so what i say goes.

>>514173446
Well then i wish you good luck on your work.

>>514174340
>You can scrutinize the logic behind Christian moral frameworks and see how they’re consistent
It's always bad to murder kids. Do you agree?

>>514174385
I already did. The fact that true and false exists, and that you’re willing to argue in favor of what you perceive is true. You do this because there is an innate value judgement that the truth is valuable and should be known; anyone engaging in discussions or debates about anything implicitly agrees to this automatically.

In other words, your current behavior is the very proof. You can only refute yourself by replying.

>>514174004
>God works in mysterious ways bros don't question it
yeah that's not what i said.
what i said is that our inability to see morally sufficient reason doesn't entail that none exists.
that's not a copout, it's a challenge to epistemic arrogance.
you're assuming that if you can't conceive of a justification then no justification is possible.
>you're not perfectly good by definition if you allow evil and are able to prevent it.
this is moral intuition, not a logical axiom.
you're treating your ethical instincts as universal metaphysical truths. but perfect goodness doesn't necessarily mean eliminating all suffering, it may mean allowing it when it serves a greater good.
if you want to argue that no such greater good could ever exist, then make the case, but don't pretend you've already done it.
>if you're omnibenevolent at the same time, yes.
again, assertion without argument. you're just stapling your expectations onto divine attributes and calling it contradiction.
>you previously whined about me declaring p2 to be "pointless" and "evil"
no, i challenged your use of "pointless" as a premise.
declaring something evil is one thing, declaring it gratuitous is another.
teh latter is what your argument hinges on and you haven't demonstrated it, just insisted on it.

>>514149042
Fpbp you triggered a lot of anti-Christ spammers

>>514174399
In that case, everyone is top dog and says what goes. So actually, what you say doesn’t go to anyone else. Which makes the statement false logically. Self refutation

>>514174495
>I already did.
Nope. You made claims.

So again, demonstrate an objective moral

And while you're at it. Answer
>>514174481
>It's always bad to murder kids. Do you agree?
This will test how "consistent" your nonsense really is

>>514173926
yeah he's easy to spot
>>514173926
because he does this annoying thing
>>514173926
where he gives you 5 (You)s in one post
>>514173926
like this here: >>514156302

>>514174618
My proof is that you’re continuing to argue in favor of the “truth”. You’ve made an objective moral/value judgment to do this. If you disagree that the truth matters and is no different from falsehood you once again refute yourself as this itself claims a truth. Every reply is a self refutation, as I said.

>>514174639
I was right. You di read my messages. Too much of a coward to reply though

>>514174613
>In that case, everyone is top dog and says what goes

No? You're applying a framework that doesn't exist. I'M top dog. Nobody else. If your framework differs from mine you're wrong, as I have given my framework the property of "objectively correct"

>>514174683
I still don't see an objective moral here bud.

Please demonstrate one.

Or you can concede and move onto
>>514174481
>It's always bad to murder kids. Do you agree?

>>514174683
>more epistemology faggotry
True and False are observations about reality, not moral assertations

>>514174694
>Too much of a coward to reply though

Here's your 5 cents, moshe. Go buy yourself some hummus

>>514174809
>calls me Moses
Kek

>>514174502
>what i said is that our inability to see morally sufficient reason doesn't entail that none exists.
This is LITERALLY just "god work's in mysterious ways" bro. Whenever some horrible heinous act happens, you can't just say "well maybe we can't see the greater plan because we're silly humans" and pretend that's a good explanation or satisfactory to anyone.
>perfect goodness doesn't necessarily mean eliminating all suffering
I said EVIL not SUFFERING. These are different things. Please stop twisting the argument. You are not a perfectly good being if you allow evil and are within your power to stop it but chose not to. This is a logical contradiction.
>you're just stapling your expectations onto divine attributes
These are attributes defined by humans and logically certain behavior must follow from anything that possess these attributes otherwise they wouldn't be said to have such attributes in the first place. You wouldn't call a maniacal warlord "peaceful".
>teh latter is what your argument hinges on and you haven't demonstrated it, just insisted on it.
So an innocent white kid getting shot by niggers isn't pointless?

>>514174728
Except you can easily be proven wrong because you have power over nothing and no one in particular. All people suffer from death and impermanence; you are thus not top dog of reality

Of course we both know you’re not engaging with this seriously because you have to rely on unserious word games, once again proving you have zero internal logic as I stated

>>514174876
>Except you can easily be proven wrong because you have power over nothing and no one in particular.

Ah interesting. So your argument is "Might Makes Right". However, my argument does not use this logic. Even if you kill me I am objectively correct from a moral perspective :)

>>514174783
Is it good or bad to believe truth or falsehood?

>>514174770
>still engaging in argumentation about what’s true demonstrating he has an objective moral value judgment that the truth is good

Thanks. I’ll just leave it at a (You) for every reply after this and let the hole dig itself

Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords
There’s nothing you can do about it
We’re going to win.

>>514174876
>Except you can easily be proven wrong because you have power over nothing and no one in particular. All people suffer from death and impermanence
This idiot is too stupid to understand that the other anon is demonstrating how you're arguing against your own God.

Kek, I love it

>>514174967
How do you know that?

>>514175009
How does it apply? God is not a human, He is existence.

>>514174972
I accept your concession.

Now let's watch you dodge
>it's always bad to murder kids. Do you agree?

Christ wins. Christ is life.

>>514175013
Because my nature is perfect :)

>>514175084
I’ll indulge ya, go ahead and define “bad” for me

>>514175074
>How does it apply?
Yoi said it yourself dummy
>>514174876
>you can easily be proven wrong because you have power over nothing and no one in particular. All people suffer from death and impermanence; you are thus not top dog of reality
Kek.

>>514175134
Is there any logical argumentation you can give for this? All I’ve seen is assertions here.

>>514175156
Hold on. You need me to define bad when the context it's under is murder?

Brother, are you retarded?

>>514175191
I'm not sure what you mean. Given my initial assertion that I am a perfect being, my logic is entirely internally consistent.

>>514175191
>All I’ve seen is assertions here.
He almost gets it

Almost

>>514175252
Sounds like it should be simple. I have to know what a word’s definition is before I can say whether it describes something; Please indulge my simple mind and explain so I may give an honest take.

>>514175253
>>514175282
I mean it’s pretty easy. Explain logically how the nature of reality necessitates your personal existence. Pretty easy to do this with God

>>514175341
>Sounds like it should be simple
It is, the context is murder.

So asking me to define "bad" is irrelevant and you attempting to avoid the question

>>514175112
>>514174997
King of the Jews.

>>514175386
>Explain logically how the nature of reality necessitates your personal existence
Then goes on to give his personal feelings
>God
Kek

You were so close too

NEW

>>514174874
>>514174874
>>514174874

>>514149042
>>514149082
>>514149104
>>514149341
>>514149143

>>514175386
>Explain logically how the nature of reality necessitates your personal existence
Irrelevant we are talking about morals not the creation of the universe

>>514175449
Not really. You have a different definition of “bad” than I do. I can’t answer your question if how you define “bad” differs from me.

It should be simple to define, not sure what the problem is.

>>514175386
>Pretty easy to do this with God
That's just am assertion though kek

>>514175585
>You have a different definition of “bad” than I do.
This idiot can't determine if murder is bad.

Concession accepted

>>514175537
If you aren’t the logical explanation for the universe then you aren’t its moral center either given you have admitted to being post cause of the universe and everything within it including morality. I guess this is a concession?

>>514175661
What does bad mean?

Are you unable to define it for some reason? Not sure why you can’t just state it.

>>514175663
>If you aren’t the logical explanation for the universe then you aren’t its moral center either

Bzzzt wrong I don’t have to create shit to be objectively morally correct as long as I’m defining it that way

>>514174314
>Executing someone is a finite punishment. They die and it's over
Wrong.
Death is an infinite punishment since it objectively does not end
>There could easily be no life in the universe and bam now there's no evil.
Ah I see the problem. You're an antinatalist and don't value life.

> Or if you want something different, we call just be genetically wired to only do good things.
Denying humans free will is evil.

>>514175717
Is murder bad or good?

The context is murder
The unjust/unlawful killing of a person

>>514175760
Sounds like you can’t justify why you are the objective moral ground of existence given that you did not act as the cause of existence and all that it contains which includes morality. Very sophomoric junior

>>514175861
I’m not sure. Can you define “bad” and “good” for me? Just a simple statement that distinguishes what those mean.

>>514175880
>you did not act as the cause of existence and all that it contains which includes morality
Morality didn’t exist before Me
Also you know I could just assert I created the universe right

>>514175938
>Can you define “bad” and “good” for me?
Use your own definitions :^)

>>514174861
>You are not a perfectly good being if you allow evil and are within your power to stop it but chose not to. This is a logical contradiction.
you seem to think if you just keep repeating it maybe i'll agree, but i won't until you justify it
>This is literally just 'God works in mysterious ways.'
no, it's a recognition of epistemic limits. you're confusing humility with evasion.
the inability to fathom a morally sufficient reason doesn't imply that none exists.
that's a basic principle of logic, absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence.
>Attributes defined by humans
which means your definitions are not metaphysical absolutes. they're linguistic constructs.
if you define omnibenevolence as "must eliminate all evil," then you've baked your conclusion into your premises.
when you study logic later this week learn what "begging the question means"
it will weird you out that doesn't mean "really makes you want to ask"

>>514175976
>I can assert I created the universe

Okay, can you give a logical explanation for why you’re the creator of the universe?

>>514176003
I can’t, if you’re not using the same definition as me the statements will be fundamentally different. It does seem odd though that I can provide that definition for myself but you seem to lack that ability; very strange

>>514169122
that is perfection tho
>MY DOGGERINO, NOOOO

>whitoids that disagreed with me? inshallah/praise be, they should burn like at animal but for 1 billion years

>>514176004
>if you define omnibenevolence as "must eliminate all evil,"
Demonstrate a logical situation where perfect or unlimited goodness is accompanied with evil

>>514176119
>Okay, can you give a logical explanation for why you’re the creator of the universe?
Maybe
But it would be immoral and against my nature :^)

>>514176119
>if you’re not using the same definition as me
Use whatever definition you like bud :^)

How would you define them?

You've already conceded but this is fun to demonstrate to the thread how dishonest and disingenuous you lot are

>>514176166
Evil doesn’t accompany God, it’s a necessary byproduct of human consciousness and freedom.

>>514176261
Well, in a logical discussion over who’s correct or not, the one who is willing and able to provide evidence which stands up to scrutiny is correct, so it seems you’ve given up and have thus been demonstrated to perpetuate falsehood.

>>514176291
>Evil doesn’t accompany God
Is it evil to murder kids?

>>514176278
>dishonest
>disingenuous

I am merely asking you to explain how you define words that you have a fundamentally different evaluation for. It’s an earnest question. You refuse to answer. I promise you I can give you a legitimate response if you do this.

>>514176430
>You refuse to answer.
This is a lie
>>514176278
>Use whatever definition you like bud :^)

>>514176430
>I promise you I can give you a legitimate response if you do this.
Nah, you won't you'll keep doing it until the thread 404, which is soon.

>>514176377
I already defined myself as correct that’s my logical argument I’m correct by definition

>>514176597
Same here! That’s very cool. Nice job bud.

>>514176513
>I’m not refusing to answer
>but I won’t give you a definition

If words have no meaning than whatever I respond to you with will not be any different fundamentally. I am earnestly curious and asking if you can actually define “good” and “bad”. If you are literally incapable of defining these things, there is no distinction between them and all answers would effectively be the same.

>>514176596
Or you'll wait to the veryblast moment to reply to make sure I can't because the thread will 404

Or maybe you won't even reply anymore

>>514176781
>>but I won’t give you a definition
Again,
>>514176278
>Use whatever definition you like bud :^)
>>514176781
So like I said
>>514176596
>Nah, you won't you'll keep doing it until the thread 404, which is soon.

>>514174861
>Whenever some horrible heinous act happens, you can't just say "well maybe we can't see the greater plan because we're silly humans" and pretend that's a good explanation or satisfactory to anyone.
Why not?
Maybe you should be satisfied because it seems eme that you're just handwaving away logically coherent response to the human inability to comprehend omniscience.
Is omniscience not a fundamental aspect of this scenario? How can you dismiss the human lack of omniscience as a factor in this so called problem?