Thread 515005802

Why do people argue for their heckin Constitutional Right to produce AI-generated CSAM?
I can't think of a more retarded hill to die on.
Especially one that outs you as an obvious pedophile to everyone.

Literally nobody in the world needs to be generating that shit. It's not harm prevention. It's not "unpopular speech." It's just satanic neckbeards gooning while pretending to be virtuous.

Inb4 /pol/ edgelords defend it ironically

>browses reddit
>uses reddit spacing
>posts reddit screenshots and makes threads about them
Very cool!

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>>515005802 (OP)
>-12
kek

>>515005802 (OP)
The system refused to censor dozens of other, arguably much more, demonic shit. That is the problem. So now you don’t get to choose, for a change.

>>515005802 (OP)
>gore
>rape of adults
is totally okay to generate according to you

What was the AI trained on?

>>515005802 (OP)
Those are definitely Trump fans.

>>515005802 (OP)
On the other hand, strict penalties of CSAM possession are the reason why Mossad can so easily blackmail our politicians. Evidence can be easily planted and key enforcement officials can be either Jewish or bought-off by Jews.

Think about it - CSAM is the only downloadable thing that mere possession can send you to prison and put you on a registry for life. Why?

>>515007940
A pasta I post when this topic comes up:

The reason why this law and others like it are being suddenly pushed now is because CSAM is the preferred method for Mossad to blackmail our congressmen and other key players.

After the last 10 years of Jews pushing pro-pedo shit, it is now better for Israel to nudge the public back into accepting 20-year death-in-prison sentences for the possession of CSAM so that even the most law-abiding congressmen will be coerced into supporting unpopular wars that benefit Jews, coerced with only the mere threat of Mossad planting blackmail on their electronics.

I'm not here to argue the legality of this shit or how bad it is, just pointing out that it is no coincidence that they are passing laws like this suddenly now, even casting a wider net with laws criminalizing cartoons and drawings, while stepping up public shaming of legal age-gap relationships.

Do you remember when the original pedo-hysteria occurred? When shows like "To Catch a Predator" premiered on TV while every news personality was crying about CP? That was in 2003-2004 when America's government was coerced by Jewish blackmail into entering the unpopular mistake Iraq war 2.

And now they're doing it again, to blackmail congress and other key players into supporting unpopular and suicidal wars against Jews' enemies. This (re-)manufactured hysteria may also serve as a method to neutralize the political enemies of the Jews, due to the wider net cast by hastily-passed laws in conjunction with the records stored illegally by Mossad-owned intelligence agencies.

>>515005802 (OP)
the entire pint of that is yes the tree makes a sound because nature does not give a fuck if a human hears it

is everyone on re3ddit a paedofile?

>>515007940
>>515007127
>>515006280
But computer people don’t have ages. Is Donkey Kong 40 and Trevor Philips 12?

>>515008522
Anon, WHAT was the AI trained on if you are making CSAM?
If you want it to make good images of muffins, you train it on images of real muffins.

>>515008522
The process is the crime. Piss somebody off at a high enough level and you will be arrested and it will be announced in all the local news outlets, even if you are eventually found innocent.

>>515005802 (OP)
>R*ddit screencaps

we are hitting new lows

>>515008621
Read the cake, moron

>>515005802 (OP)
Pedophilia works like any other addiction, the more you indulge it the worse it gets. Anyone consuming AI generated CP is a ticking time bomb, sure the content they consume doesn't harm kids in and of itself but the thoughts and behaviors it encourages will absolutely lead to your average pedo harming an actual child.

>>515009194
we should ban horror movies, also CSAM is legal and copyrighted which can easily be found on google anyways

>>515009194
So true. It’s the same for first person shooters too. Eventually those time bombs will picrel your sister.

>>515005802 (OP)
>he's still a pedophile
Which isn't a crime in and of itself

MAP rights are human rights.

>>515006180
>reddit spacing
easiest way to spot a newfag

A guy just got jailed for 2½ years for doing this in my country.

>>515009285
>>515009336
The vast majority of people who watch horror movies or play FPS games have never killed anyone, the same cannot be said for people who consume any form of CP and molesting kids, it's obviously not equivalent. Plus killing people is objectively not as bad as molesting kids, there are sometimes moral and legal justifications for killing, there is never any legal or moral justification for raping a child.

>>515005802 (OP)
You won't bitch about the fact that AI was trained on cp to begin with to be able to generate that shit. You won't point fingers at who made it the ai model in the first place nor point fingers at the freaks who make the real deal cp in the first place.
Lol, lmao

You literally can't generate cp without the data being trained on real pictures so genning is still using pics of abused kids

>>515009636
>the same cannot be said for people who consume any form of CP and molesting kids
yes, the same thing cannot be said for CP because it is illegal, hence many people can’t and don’t watch it.
>Plus killing
There are thousands of horror movies with sadistic torture.

>>515009491
wtf Norway

>>515009636
>majority

>>515009194
>the more you indulge it the worse it gets.
I don't see OF or pornhub creating legions of mongers. We went from men forced into marriage for sex to men becoming free to be wizards.

>>515005802 (OP)
Incest, interracial, step mom/dad, gay, incest, animal (furry) etc.
All degenerate and all gross. We still let all that shit fly. So at a certain point either agree to ban it all or agree to let is all fly. You cant draw arbitrary distinctions.

>>515009706
>hence many people don't watch it
Yes, because most people aren't amoral child raping pieces of shit. Legality has little if anything to do with it.
>There are thousands of horror movies with sadistic torture.
Still more justifiable than molesting kids, especially if it's done to pedophiles, then it's basically a moral duty.

>>515009194
LOL if this was true then there would never be CP to begin with because there was never anything to get them to harm a child. Fact is pedos gonna pedo. Low IQ.

>>515005802 (OP)
loli/AI csam is a fantastic way to purge undesirables. Whether it's technically free speech is irrelevant.

>>515010105
Something about a tree and blood, lots of blood

>>515009697
Send an openai bigwig for possessing cp to train their ai with

>>515007127
drawings

>>515009636
It makes as much sense as saying rapists caught with porn in their computer means all porn consumption = rape. Not very sensible.

>>515010370
You're gonna have to start working out instead of jacking off to kids all day, lose a couple hundred pounds, and stop smoking weed if you want to kill me you faggot neckbeard pedo

>>515011199
>>515009988
>Legality has little if anything to do with it.
>Smoking is banned in our country and hence a lot less people smokes cigarettes compared to those countries where smoking isn’t banned, but the consumption rates has no relation with legality of it

>>515011760
You won’t do shit

>>515005802 (OP)
If a CP tree falls in the forest, and it kills a pedobear, then is it right to stop it?

You will know the pedos by their arguments. They'll bend and stretch and twist and try to make different analogies to similar scenarios.
They pretend to argue in good faith, and pretend that their sound reasoning cloaks their true feelings.
It's impossible for them to say "CSAM is morally wrong and I won't try to justify it in any way."
They don't know how to draw lines... everything is a shade of gray that can be justified by the previous shade of gray.

>>515005802 (OP)
Ai generated cp is on the same level as lolicon/shotacon/straight shota if you also think that should be banned then just support current online safety act

>>515012017
You have absolutely zero moral grandstanding when the clear web is filled with media of extreme childhood circumcision torture on boys, bestiality videos of most probably underage girls, all other bestiality, blacked, scat and teen girls making out with all kinds of other filth and animals (and I am not even getting into torture and gore). The discussion is over. CP is de facto legal.

>>515009988
If any depiction that involves harming kids is evil, then why isn't your rage directed at drone-strike videos where actual children lose limbs or die? Either footage of maimed children is worse than lolicon, or you care less when the harm isn't sexual.

>>515012345
>"but it's just like..."
another one
called it.

they literally can't help themselves.

>>515009636
>there is never any legal or moral justification for raping a child.
What if the child was Hitler?

>>515012415
Call it all you want.
I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!

>>515011807
Spot on. Removing the legal risk and ready access to CP would increase. So legality clearly matters.

>>515005802 (OP)
Peak reddit

> Age gap among adults with the man older
> Nooooooooooooo DiCaprio should be beheaded

> Age gap with woman being older
> "Nice" in case of child, you rock girl if adults

> CP
> They are people too!

>>515012660
Every /pol/tard is a moral LARPer. They're all degenerates with an ego. So what's there to be mad about?

There is literally a case going on in Wisconsin where a college freshman created AI nude deep fakes of girls he knew in high school and was arrested and for possession of thousands of "Child Porn Images".

https://youtu.be/GUPee-pbw64?si=XWK8ebLriNAGpSfi

>>515014043
He fucked up believing that the social contract is still in its fucking place even though not even voicing the grievances are guaranteed let alone them getting addressed.

>>515005802 (OP)
CP is awful and shouldn't be made.

But it's still only a form of "information".

What other information is considered a hazard on such a high level that one is forbidden to produce and own fictional interpretations of privately?

Religious caricatures in a muslin country? Images of "other" presidents in North Korea?

If they do want to do "expression" oppression - it's fine and not news. It's been done plenty of times before through out history by various regimes. But it's also vain and has no effect on human ability to produce those forms of expression in the future.

What they're saying is basically - "don't do it while I'm around". Whoever said high and mighty "I" is in this point of time.

AI trained on picrel, particularly in instances where no adult was involved does not require a victim. And the only trauma they suffer is from society's reaction. Furthermore, research indicates that consumption of CSAM (or any porn for that matter) is associated with a decrease in real life activity.

All this tells me is elites want to have blackmail. The more illegal it is the easier it is to control government.

Fear.

And like lockdowns and face masks during covid, you could be in a room full of people that disagree with the bullshit and they will still never speak up or refuse to comply with clown world.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130111326.htm

>>515014363
While I agree with your statement, I think that's a bit beyond the scope of this discussion. It's more like judges and prosecutors are scumbags combined with the American public are a bunch of idiots that scream things like "THERE OUGHTTA BA A LAW" causing things like this to happen.

>>515014759
It's not that bad. Thinking of an 11-year-old girl producing a lot of pussy juice all over a phallic object. It's pretty hot, actually.

>>515005802 (OP)
>Why do people argue for their heckin Constitutional Right to produce AI-generated CSAM?
I wouldn't call them people.

>>515012017
Real cp bad, ai cp fine. There's my line.

>>515014759
>CP is only a form of "information".
lmao this reductionist cope.
me shooting you in the face is only a form of energy transfer.
ergo, i am very smart

>>515014891
Those who grew up with sisters will now that pussy juice you’re talking about, I know it from my ow experience with prime cunny.

>>515014959
and what is real cp? Motion picture of a naked 13 princess, touching herself while giving the prettiest of the smiles?

Yeah alright mods just end this shit.

>>515005802 (OP)
because they arent well

>>515009421
>Uhm, ackshually, YOU'RE the tourist, not me!
Go back niggerfaggot.

>>515014807
>Levers of control over the masses can at times be contradictory.
>If the leadership really cared about children they would legalize CSAM possession to decrease the actual number of new victims.
>But they don't care.
>And if they do care, then they are incompetent and should be removed from power.

If you're watching the right porn, what you're enjoying is other people's pleasure. That's at least a form of positive empathy. Morality, on the other hand, often revolves around watching someone get dragged. So the loudest moralizers can end up status-seeking sadists in ethical drag.
Suppose you'd already figured that out, then I'm preaching to an echo chamber. Feel free to disagree.

>>515015712
>Give them all the degenerate shit they want, then the problem will fix itself!
I knew faggots like you in San Francisco. You lobbied for heroin injection sites and needles for junkies. Now there's more human feces than ever before.

I don't watch porn, I have a beautiful wife. I am above this entire conversation and only came here to announce myself as better

>>515015884
Acknowledged. Now post something I can use to bully you. I know there's something. Spill it.

>>515016040
I'm left handed

>>515015486
>MOOOOOOOOOODS
>MOOOOOODS THEYRE EXERCISING FREE SPEECH IN A WAY I DONT LIKE
>MOOOOOOOOODS

>>515005802 (OP)
TOTAL REDDITOR DEATH.

EVERY REDDITOR WOULD BE KILLED VIA FIRING SQUAD UNDER MY REGIME. VOTE FOR ME.

>>515005802 (OP)
Fucker politucians here. Talk to any American about American healthcare and they hate it. Corrupt motherfucker backwards cunts trying to replicate the most unamerican system because its 'american'. All of them are corrupt traitors to everyone in society.

>>515005802 (OP)
There is a first amendment argument. Not a good one and you’ll lose. But you can argue it.

>>515007127
>What was the AI trained on?
there was briefly some rumors that The Pile contained CP, and "everybody knew" but
1) everybody knowing about cp and not removing it or taking it down seems unlikely
2) the cp might have only been illegal in stricter countries (3d, drawings etc) and not illegal in the US
3) if the training data did have actual cp, and if ai cp is "fruit from a poison tree" then it means anything ai produces is a derivative work of its training data and it'd be a huge issue

but on top of all that, the law says the ai cp can't be "indistinguishable" from real cp, which stable diffusion automatically saves the instructions used to create an image, in as metadata. so all you have to do to determine if its ai or not is just look at the metadata and you can reproduce the image exactly.

inb4 "you're a pedophile"
what matters is we currently have a right, and they're taking that right away without any compensation

>>515008090
this
the intelligence agencies even host/distribute cp themselves "to catch people" when they take down a site. if you have evidence someone sought out cp, it behooves you to make that as damning as possible so your secret can be leveraged hard

>>515014807
>>515015712

>>515015880
False equivalence.

Between British arrested for putting up their own countrys flag to the overall suicidal empathy of whites and people like you that prop up elite blackmail hegemony by supporting draconian laws... the west truly is in a death spiral.

There is no more common sense. Just virtue signaling and Rome like entertainment, blood shed for all because it's always enjoyable to make theatre of destroyed lives while patting yourself on the back. Bravo.

>>515016403
>they're taking that right away without any compensation
A right to what? CSAM? That's literally pedophilia, no matter how much you want to avoid it. The elephant in the room, even if it were allowed, will always be that it's pedophilia.

>>515016403
>inb4 "you're a pedophile"
I called your exact behavior out several times before you posted. You people are OBSESSED with the legal technicalities of CP, the ramifications, the nuances. You spend your time thinking very hard about this topic, and reading all that you can about it.

It's almost like... you're an actual pedophile.

>>515016549
>That's literally pedophilia,
>>515016756
>you're an actual pedophile
okay but what is your argument? that free speech doesn't count if its for the wrong reasons?

>>515016900
>that free speech doesn't count if its for the wrong reasons?
CSAM isn't free speech, it's degenerate porn. Is porn speech? Are you speaking through porn? Retard.

>>515005802 (OP)
not every law is about harming society, some are just to stop people we don't like from doing things we don't like because it's fucked up

>>515016955
>CSAM isn't free speech
yes it is

it's not illegal to be a pedophile.

>>515016756
Yeah, that's a classic Kafka-trap. No matter what the other guy says, he proves the charge. Not a tactic I'd ever use.

>>515005802 (OP)
Does it genuinely harm anyone?
No?
Then it's fine and indeed free speech.

Your faux morals are unconvincing in light of letting actual crimes go unpunished, whoever you are that thinks he has or should have influence over things like these.

>>515017277
good thing there are anonymous websites where you can share your opinion

>>515016900
>ok i'm a pedophile but what is your argument
picrel

lmao imagine feeling the need to engage a pedophile in their bad faith slippery slope degenerate thought processes. you have no intention of doing what's good or right, you just want to abuse peoples principles as much as possible to corrode society. you try confuse them by making them feel like attacking your behavior is actually morally wrong, because you're filled to the brim with demons.

In fact, I used the same tactic earlier in this thread.
> Every /pol/tard is a moral LARPer. They're all degenerates with an ego. So what's there to be mad about?
I'm just being hypocritical and fake to fit in with you guys. Haha.

>>515017468
you’re going into the wood chipper

>>515017468
notice how in the end, its about having an excuse to hurt someone
no mention is made of the children this poster is supposedly rescuing

Preemptively painting the opponent's nature in a bad light so that no matter what they say, it proves your point. That's the Kafka-trap.

>>515016549
Your president raped actual, real children and you care about this shit?

>>515016955
>>515017207
Art is free speech.
>Nudity is not art.

The interpretation of what is and is not free speech MUST remain extremely loose to guarantee that the spirit of law in free speech is upheld.

I can easily make an argument that mandated face masks during covid are a form of suppression of free speech:
>By forcing someone to wear a mask against their will when they do not believe in the necessity and perceive ulterior motives in the governments reasoning, you are essentially forcing them to advertise to everyone around them "Yes I agree with the government, the virus is deadly, I am scared and you should be too. Look at me wear the mask." But that is not the message you want to convey. They are controlling how you express yourself. People literally refused to wear the mask as a form of self-expression and defiance against government.

So if something as simple as wearing or not wearing a mask can arguably infringe, in a very real way, on a person's freedom of expression, then who are you to decide that nudity is not an art or a form of expression?

You need high IQ to answer this.

>>515005802 (OP)
If we’re going to have AI crime monitoring it might as well be used to liquidate pedophiles identified through their online posts

>>515005802 (OP)
CP being illegal makes sense because it's produced through the exploitation of a child. With drawings and AI, there's no victim.

>>515017667
Well it's legal for him to do it because the supreme court said presidents can never be prosecuted for any crimes. And when you are rich you can buy justice.
Anyway back to the issue at hand, poor people are inherently bad and all their crimes should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
How much money do you make? Depending on your answer, I will or will not listen to you.

>>515007940
> Think about it - CSAM is the only downloadable thing that mere possession can send you to prison and put you on a registry for life. Why?
Because any form of legalization would incentivize the production of such material, which necessitates the abuse of children.
The problem is that the penalties are not harsh enough. Automatic Capital punishment would kill even the black market

>>515017735
>CP being illegal makes sense because it's produced through the exploitation of a child.
Then why is gore and torture not illegal? How about teen girls recording and taking nude selfies of themselves?

>>515006264
>LOWNIGGERG
>OWNIGGERGL
>ASTICFANT ADTHRE NIGGERGLOW OTFAGG
This is why I still use /pol/.

>>515017794
The former two are illegal with only rare exceptions involving explicit and uncoerced consent.

In the latter case victim and perpetrator are one and the same so there is no sense in prosecuting.

>>515017277
it's "kafkaesque", and referencing kafka doesn't make you sound smart, because you're using it wrong. he can disprove the charge by not showing intense interest and vast knowledge of CP

>>515017553
>see by attacking me ur actually morally wrong
lmao i called it in the very post you're replying to, and the next post you did exactly that. you probably have a decent IQ too, because it's always the higher IQ people that can convince themselves of anything. everything is a subjective shade of gray, so anything is permissible, because you can make the argument for anything.

the concept of "free speech with exceptions" blows your mind because if there's an exception, you immediately fall down a slippery slope. (not realizing or acknowledging, of course, that there are already exceptions, and they haven't eroded the principle)

>>515017788
>Because any form of legalization would incentivize the production of such material, which necessitates the abuse of children.
>>515017207
>>515017794
>How about teen girls recording and taking nude selfies of themselves?
Doesn’t work anymore.

>>515017668
>then who are you to decide that nudity is not an art or a form of expression?
First of all, that's a very good post anon. I appluad you.

If I were to extend my perspective the farthest it can go, AI generated images do not hurt anybody as long as the training data included no CSAM itself. I do not support it in any way shape or form, but I cannot stop others from doing it.
Yes, in my pov it's fucked up. But it's technically not hurting anyone.

My biggest fear is that it'll lead to a slippery slope of pedos getting more and more vulgar and end up looking for "the real deal" after exposing themselves to hyperrealistic shit.

>>515017788
>Because any form of legalization would incentivize

See
>>515014807

>>515017848
>The former two are illegal
I meant the media of them, not the acts.

>>515017788
Any automatic death penalty crime can easily be used to get rid of supporters thereof, and then to annul it.

Because it's a retarded idea that has backfired in exactly that way countless times already, usually facilitating some murderous retard type's reign of terror in the meanshile.

>>515017879

See
>>515017913

>>515017916
The media of them usually are in fact illegal, it's just commonly unenforced due to its extremely frequent use in propaganda.
I'd think CP is much more niche.

>>515017996
>The media of them usually are in fact illegal
I don’t think they’re. Otherwise there wouldn’t be dozens of clear web gore websites, they would all get purged like a website that would get purged if you were to host CP.

>>515017788
>Automatic Capital punishment would kill even the black market
It'd also kill a lot of the internet out of fear of hackers/trolls. Imagine someone getting around all the safeguards of a website and posting an image that has that material.
By you viewing it you have consumed the material, and will automatically get capital punishment. Simply because you were on the site at the wrong time before moderation could delete it.

>>515016756
The fuck is this reddit-tier emotional argument? If I wanted this kind of gaslighting adhom equivalence I'd just be on the braindrain site. Either address the argument or GTFO.

>>515017856
>lmao i called it in the very post you're replying to

>>515018063
How would you do that, exactly? Whichever country you'd be it's you versus the literal world.
All use propaganda, all are infinitely lesser compared to the rest of the world.
CP is a very minor phenomenon compared to violence, cruelty and their results.
Especially when it comes to showcasing it i'd think.

So in one word: Unenforcable.

>>515018108
>you can't just point out that people with an intense obsession with CP laws is weird.. you have to debate them!
lmao eat shit

Also, the people that wanna censor pedophiles from making fake CP to satiate their fantasies are the exact same kinds of people that wanted to ban Doom, Mortal Kombat, Night Trap(lol), MTG cards, DnD, anime and manga, GTA, most other videogames, Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings(yes some retarded christians think Tolkien's works are satanic), Halloween, fireworks, guns, porn in general, nicotine, weed, and fast cars.
It's all the same kind of retard. Unless actual breathing prepubescent children are being harmed, I don't give a fuck what some pervert jerks off to. MY GODDAMN STEAKS ARE $40 A PACK AND A PACK OF JERKY COSTS $10. THE ECONOMY IS SHIT, RIGHT TO REPAIR/RIGHT TO OWN IS IN SERIOUS DANGER, AND SHITSKINS ARE MURDERING OUR PEOPLE.
I do not give a single GOD DAMN FUCK about pedophiles making fake CP.

is ai generated gore a thing

>>515017879
This would be a fairer take. It is unlikely though for a few reasons. As we now have violent gaming in general and as far as I know it has not meaningfully contributed to an overall violent society at least more than what inflation would do to the population. Last I remember there was infact a decrease of overall crime from 1990's to 2010's. Second with the pop crisis there's less people fucking in general. 3rd there is an actual occult group of underage diddlers that have existed prior to virtual content in general. 4th most of the diddlers in other countries appears to be foreigners.

>>515018223
Okay you actually have to go back lmao. If you can't handle the heat, get out of the...oh wait. No, get back in the oven Moishe, you're not done cooking yet.

>>515017856
Other people not hiding their attraction to minors does not make that tactic less of a Kafka-trap.

>>515005802 (OP)
Average American male

I'm Brahmin btw

>>515018267
Yes it absolutely is. Uncensored AI models can generate whatever you want. Some quite realistically too.

>>515018244
Puritan mindrot you call that.
It comes in many flavors whether it be atheist, muslim, jeeish or christian, but it's all the same countereffrctive bullshit.

Who cares about age? If it's hot, bring it.

>>515018195
From an LLM
> Yes, hosting child pornography is strictly illegal under U.S. federal law and carries severe penalties.
>No, hosting gore is not generally illegal under federal law unless it involves obscenity, threats, or other crimes.

Again, it is evident. You can find dozens of gore sites on plain sight but can never find a CP site that isn’t highly secretive or obfuscated on the clear web.
I mean just take 4chan as an example. Are the rekt threads get removed when you report them for violating the law? And compare it to what happens when you post photos of nude teenage girls.

of the last five girlfriends i've had (some online, some in person)
only one wouldn't do straight up pedo dirty talk, and she even considered it
peoples opinions on this are predominantly determined by the overton window

>>515018355
Who cares if it's real or AI? Is it hot or not?

>>515018223
>you have to debate them!
Then why are still here, niggercattle?
lmao eat shit

>>515018355
for what purpose
gore used to be a shocking wake up call about the world
but fake gore, why? for porn i could understand

>>515018244
>why do people want to keep making the connection between a healthy society and societal health????? this is so gay just make things better and let me have my degenerate shit!!!
one day you'll grow up and see how they're all connected

>>515018317
>if you attack pedophiles, you're jewish
very weak, even by your standards. you can do better.

>>515018423
Using a LLM is hardly a trustworthy source, you should ask it for its sources.

And that's exactly what i mean; every flag and cause posts gore, it's part of human animalnature.
CP is extremely niche, like the pony stuff from way back. That too will get you banned.

>>515018500
Why is any visual media created? Because someone wanted to see it. And LLM-engine based AI image generation can, at its core, do anything. Think about the weird shit you got back in the day when you were experimenting with edge-cases of Cleverbot or AIM bots. This is like that, but much much more sophisticated. Still not intelligent for all the /x/ fags that think that AI is going to take over--not for another 2 decades at least. But if you know what you want, know how to prompt for it, and have an uncensored model, you can get some really interesting shit out of it.

>>515018501
I'm not engaging my brain because you're not using yours. Stop being an actual dicksucking McFaggot and I'll by a tryhard for you, kay babes?

>>515018532
anon, tell me honestly please..
I opened two website
>supergore.fuck
>teencunny.porn
You reported me to the authorities, which one will they confiscate and put me in prison for?
There are gore websites operating for more than a decade. Can you show me one website that openly hosts pornographic media of minors?

>>515018672
Sure. IMGSRC. Flickr. Next?

remember when people would post a link shortener that would redirect you to automatically search "lolita" on imgur and they'd say they recorded your ip
lol

>>515018633
nah I'm good, I don't debate pedophiles and their sympathizers. so take whatever firearm you own, stuff it up your ass, and pull the trigger until it stops firing. kay babes? muah! tee hee

>>515018672
Onlyfans is literally a thing.

Also it depends on which one has the more original material honestly, fresh gore implies much worse crimes than fresh cp stuff.
The latter might go unnoticed while the former could cause several potential murder investigations.

Also those gore sites are occasionally used to gather clues funnily enough, in a similar vein dutch authorities ran the darkweb's silk road for a time.
In this case it's just the old gore with a bit of fresh stuff mixed in to see what sort of comments and audience it attracts.

>>515018819
>Posting lolis while complaining about pedos on 4chan

I didn't just find a photo of you, did I bud?

>>515018732
>openly
Can they legally refuse to not remove a nude photo of a minor if the authorities request?
Gore sites can reject to remove a video of a man getting skinned alive.

>>515018244
The most retarded comment I've read on this topic is that CSAM is worse than murder. I don't know about you but I rather be molested as a kid than murdered. The argument just reeks of feminist type of emotional appeal and is completely illogical. I assume many children are convinced to partake in lewes acts under threat of physical harm. Appearently, even kids would rather be molested than killed.

>females have higher lain tolerance

>>515018892
>Onlyfans is literally a thing.
onlyfans doesn’t allow under 18

>>515018899
It's even funnier when you realise what it leads to in practice: It just turns every sex crime into a murder since murder is not ounished harsher and it is much easier to cover up the dead.

Rookie mistake for moralistic legislative types.

>>515018895
>literally can't stop replying to me
lmao

>>515018998
Says the man who has a pathological need to have the last word...

>>515018501
> the connection between a healthy society and societal health
stfu, feral niggers, spics and their jewish masters are a million times worse for societal health. Classrooms are bedlam, half the people in the country can't read and nearly 50 million spics can barely speak English.
It's so easy to go after degeneracy, but all that will happen if it's done now is more control for kikes and zog.

even if the training data does not contain real cp, it is still illegal to nudify a real picture of a child, fyi

>>515019021
there it is again holy shit i broke you

All of the faggots in this thread losing their minds over pixels are either feds or Trump(pedo) supporters.

>>515018962
Which it cannot enforce in any serious capacity and thus does not.
Why do you think there's this desperate push for internet IDs?

The internet is both within and outside of the practically controllable territory of every country on earth.

>>515019062
STOP STOP YOU'RE MAKING ME ANGRY

>>515018988
Exactly. Laws that put capital punishment for lewed acts serve only to incentivize the kid being murdered after they're done with them. The punishment is ...wait for it... not dying from capital punishment.

>>515005802 (OP)
If this ended up having crimes against children being lessened, then I don't care, because AI and drawn lolis are entirely fictional.
As long as people with twisted sexual desires and mental illness are satisfied, they won't commit any crimes against children.
I am fine with that.

>>515019139
Goes for more than just that, also on that note it's good to realise that life in prison is just execution by old age.

So yeah, law is a lot colder and more difficult than these hysterical faggots have the stomache for.

>>515017794
>Then why is gore and torture not illegal?
I would say it's because gore videos being watched and shared by gore fans is usually incidental. The cartels don't film themselves dismembering rivals because they want to satisfy people on TheYNC, but CP is produced specifically because there's a market and audience for it.

>>515019235
You clearly have not been very deep in the internet my naive friend. There's a fetish for literally everything.

>>515019076
>Which it cannot enforce in any serious capacity and thus does not.
but you are missing the point. The courts, the police can make them remove it because it is illegal, but can’t do the same for gore.

>>515005802 (OP)
No matter if any harm has been done or not I'd make it illegal to produce photorealistic or believable CSAM, but allow anime or cartoon style depictions because that shit has already been normal for decades. That's it. Simple.

>>515019301
Because of scale, as i pointed out before.
Governments and policing are as limited as any other organisation.

>>515005802 (OP)
>CP IS NOT A RIGHT
what even is /pol/ these days...?
99.8% of threads are just ridiculous.. no, they're beyond ridiculous.. how did this happen..??

>>515007940
Not even the files or photos, just the hash tags from their data base, they're not going to show CP in a courtroom to a jury. People have already been busted for having random pictures and it's starting to become noticed by the public. The problem is most people are just taking the plea bargain and not even looking at the evidence because quite simply, they can't.

>>515005802 (OP)
>if the people floating around you in society are imagining unspeakable things that if ever acted upon would make them unwelcome in society. are they really that unwelcome in society?

the truth is a lot of people are hiding disturbing things. we only get hints of it when they murmur. id bet that AI CP is just one angle of it.

>>515016403
>what matters
is that you know too much about this.

>>515005802 (OP)
If it's not a real child, no child is being harmed and no one has to see it, then I don't see the problem. A lot of pedos cope with fake CP to avoid looking at the real thing. I'd say that's way better than having a lot of frustrated pedos going after kids. But everyone has become an ultra moralfag on this glownigger site.

>>515019404
>A lot of pedos cope with fake CP to avoid looking at the real thing.
How do you have knowledge of this?

>>515019404
Worse than ultra moralfags: They're morons that can't think even a step ahead and just end up being mediocre tools for whoever deigns to use them.

>>515019235
>I would say it's because gore videos being watched and shared by gore fans is usually incidental. The cartels don't film themselves dismembering rivals because they want to satisfy people on TheYNC, but CP is produced specifically because there's a market and audience for it.
Check out german productions, there is one where a strong women literally nail a man’s cock to a wooden plank. And that video is only one out of dozens from a single production house.
>>515019340
>>515019340
>Because of scale, as i pointed out before.
If it was about the scale, at least the biggest ones would get confiscated anyway. The ones which shows at the top of a google search.

>>515005802 (OP)
does this apply to those fountains that have baby angels with pissing with their baby penis? is that not cp? or does stone fountains not count?

>>515019499
Why?
There will always be a biggest.

I'd imagine they stopped bothering after the first million or so so to speak, whereas i imagine with CP you'd have depleted all the stuff on offer by then.

>>515019596
>heh, X is just like Y if you forget about everything that makes it X
>i am very smart

>>515017667
Being an actual pedo is not illegal or bad in the United States, sexual acts with children just require a marriage and divorce. It's basically only something cult leaders and rich people do.

>>515019219
>So yeah, law is a lot colder and more difficult than these hysterical faggots have the stomache for.

The law is essentially a program. Most people don't know how to code. They don't think of 3rd and 4th order effects. This all may very well become a self-correcting problem in the distant future as AI makes homeless and irrelevant of people that do not understand causality. Think of the people that are vaxed and sterilized. Their innate instutionally minded behavior will manifest in their deletion in the very long term.

I have faith humans will eventually get their shit together. But that won't be for a long while.

>>515019599
Anon, if you open a burger shop and no one bets an eye, it means burgers are legal.
If there is no milkshake site on sight, and feds bust your ass if you even prepare to open one, then milkshakes are illegal.

>>515019644
So what does make it X according to you?
Both are explicit imagery of minors not harming minors.

>>515019596
Recently, they have begun taking down statues like that. Fifty years from now, if you take your horse blinders off near a school, your face will get instantly picked up by AI facial recognition cameras, and you will be shot in the street.

>>515019722
>i literally can't tell the difference between CSAM and a cherub fountain
>please, take me seriously and debate me

>>515019644
>>515017207
What a coincidence that you conveniently refuse to see the elephant in the thread

>>515018819
>Get logically blown the fuck out
>Grrrrr I WILL KILL YOU I WANT TO MURDER YOU I WANT TO MURDER YOU I WANT TO MURDER YOU
You're unironically more dangerous than him

>>515005802 (OP)
>CSAM
Muh cartoons

>>515019672
You have more faith in AI than i do, i already see it serving up our own nonsense to ourselves, it's basically logical regurgitation; a sort of mirror.
I expect it to worsen our flaws, to be a sort of funhiuse mirror that unmercifully serves up our own nonsense to ourselves.

No, AI as it is will not be better than us, it can help us identify our own flaws though and thus enable us to make it better again in turn.

>>515019790
Why do you want to see chubby naked little boy anon

>>515019676
Sorry but that's bullshit and your dtug infested country is a living example of it.
It's easier to buy crap in yours than in kine but way more illegal.

>>515019828
>1pbtid decides that my 90th post is the only thing worth responding to
lol k serious person

>>515019906
>defeated, he grasps at straws

>>515019790
I do not need you to, i'm merely gauging whether you can be taken seriously.

>>515019931
i don’t follow
>>515017996

>>515019790
>>515019811

>>515019937
Idk man, you just refuse to answer to any arguments and claim you won, it's kinda hard to take you seriously

>>515005802 (OP)
Yeah yeah glownigger release the epstein list then I'll believe you give a rats ass about kids. Fuck outta here

>>515019984
You literally have illegal businesses everywhere in your country is what i pointed out, in response to your example about the hypothetical illegal burger joint.

Big Brother and his laws are mostly just hot air in practice, you don't follow them out of fear but because you help maintain the illusions that benefit you.

>>515019964
i think you mean whether or not i can be confused into thinking a cherub fountain is CP. no, sorry, find someone on your level of retardation to try that with.

>>515020036
aw shucks i don't have the respect of a pedophile sympathizer. that really sucks

>>515020108
No, i meant exactly what i just said; >>515019964
Congrats you failed the test.

>>515019868
It's not faith in AI. I'm very familiar with its falibility. I am also familiar with managers in my place of employment beleivng the hype. I often have to explain the limitations so they don't do something as stupid as let people go because they think AI will solve everything.

So no, it's not a misplaced faith in AI. It's my understanding of causality. AI will cause unemployment, but not because it is a suitable replacement, rather, it is a perceived suitable replacement. As a consequence, I am less replaceable than the people that cannot explain its limitations.

Cause and effect.

>>515005802 (OP)
It's not illegal in principle it's illegal because it causes children harm. That's why it's legal to own pictures and videos of children at nudist beaches and colonies or videos of children from tribes where they just didn't wear clothes. The entire purpose of the law is because of the harm it causes.

You don't have to like or agree with it but it's true.

>>515020153
>heh but cherub statue? heh checkmate
damn bro ur so smart with that big brain and complex arguments

>>515005802 (OP)
bad violent images/video/games/movies cause nobody needs to see that shit

in fact we should check peoples dreams for any bad content and imprison them for thinking about the wrong things

>>515020205
>thinking is the same thing as producing
ohhh nooooo i've fallen down the slippery slooooppe

>>515020085
>>515017996
We were discussing the point you made where you proposed
>The former two are illegal with only rare exceptions involving explicit and uncoerced consent.
And I am pointing out that those are in fact not illegal because If I report bestgore to the government they won’t take down the website because gore, broadly speaking, is not illegal. However, if I report a website which publishes nude photographs of a 12 year old girl, it will get taken down.

>>515020165
Ah, fair, both more shortsighted and selfserving aswell as understanding and thinking ahead.

I can respect that, but you do serve as a reminder that it is good to have people like me that reside outside of the rat race.

>>515020196
I like how you're desperately attempting to get me to discuss this seriously with you after you yourself said: >>515019790

>>515020253
And i point out that the scale causes unenforcability for the government, forcing them to tolerate gore and not cp despite both being illegal.

Gotta go now though, best of luck.

>>515020322
i can hear the autism in your triple posting

>>515020177
>It's not illegal in principle it's illegal because it causes children harm.
>The entire purpose of the law is because of the harm it causes.
Then the questions becomes why the absurd double standards?
>>515017207
or what about the thousands of young girls that got into pets because of aoz? isn’t that causing harm to children?
or, again, what about the gore and torture? those cause immense harm to the victims.

The culprit here is the fact that no matter how many times you replay a video, it doesn’t reenacts the original event.

>>515017788
Capital punishments only encourage crime.

>>515020282
How is it self serving if it's the truth? This is why I emphasize cause and effect. People that do not understand the down stream effects of their thinking will not survive regardless of whether it is passing draconian laws on porn, internet IDs, taking the death jab, or not understanding technology. You present what I said as self serving but that is only from the vantage point of perhaps falling into one of those categories of not perceiving down stream effects? I dont understand. In any case, I often save people from their stupidity. That was more my point. Same can be said of me even replying to this thread. Society is being very stupid.

>>515005802 (OP)
People have the misconception that being a pedophile is a crime.

>>515016549
>>515005802 (OP)
Strictly speaking being a pedophile is not illegal by itself. What's illegal is abusing children, owning and/or distributing material that depicts child abuse.

Now here's where idiots like OP would claim that AI-genersted CP should be legal because no children was harmed, but the issue is that generating that shit and flooding the internet with it would make law enforcement a nightmare. They would end up wasting time and resources in investigations that go nowhere because they would end up finding that the people responsible are innocent, they would have a hard time checking if the images are AI-generated or real and it would allow real criminals to simply put a filter on real images (or generate material based on real images) and claim to be innocent as proving their guilt would be near impossible.

To solve all those issues the generation of AI CP is illegal by itself and anyone creating, distributing or facilitating it is guilty all the same.

>>515020371
>scale causes unenforcability for the government
that doesn’t make any sense. Government not being able to stop minor drug trade because of the great scale of it wouldn’t make it a non crime at the face of courts.
The authorities would prosecute a drug dealer whether they sell meth or shrooms. Unless only only one of them is illegal, in that case they would only prosecute the illegal one (like erotica of minors).

>>515020607
>To solve all those issues
Here is the real issue
>owning and/or distributing material that depicts child abuse is illegal
What is child abuse material btw? Picture of a topless 14 year old girl?
or perhaps this?
>>515017207

>>515020108
> i don't have the respect of a pedophile sympathizer.

Ok then why are you even bothering arguing with people for like 5h?

>>515005802 (OP)
"Harm principle" is kind of retarded because if we legislated based off it, fucking a corpse would be legal

>>515007127
My uncle and me

>>515020607
>To solve all those issues the generation of AI CP is illegal by itself and anyone creating, distributing or facilitating it is guilty all the same.
Society has bigger fish to fry than child porn... Like the big fish being blackmailed by it to do unspeakable things to society. Western countries are being invaded by the third world. Medicine is committing genocide. Psychopaths in the military industrial complex are frothing at the mouth for war. Bankers are toppling governments and destroying entire cultures in their search for more control and obfuscation of their actions.

Child porn should literally be last priority in any decently run country.

>>515020800
>explain why you made a thread and post in it
kys lol

>>515020900
but think about the roasties, the woman, the tradcucks and all of their feelings, anon

>>515005802 (OP)
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>>515005802 (OP)
The only kind of throughtcrime you should support outlawing is politicians ability to legislate against thoughtcrime.

>>515021870
>creating something is thinking
retard alert

>>515006280
>>515006400
>>515007940
I would tend to agree with you on most of this, but the plebbit OP is clearly some kind of brownoid Jeet who can't speak English.
>in his private
>on the same way
>someone create CP
>bad as we believe

>>515009194
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You sound like you're 14 years old, lol.

>>515005802 (OP)
Idgaf about non offending peds
No victim, no crime.

Time better spent catching niggers

>>515022026
>retard alert
Yes it is, to outlaw your ability to create or write something is creating thoughtcrime, are you a nigger?

>>515022077
>doesn't even know the definition of the word he keeps using
aw, he actually is retarded

No one 'needs' to make AI memes of Indians eating shit either. Should it be banned because some Indians don't like it?

>>515020940
Yes. Are you trying to feel good this way?

>>515022150
>aw, he actually is retarded
Thinking isn't the only thing that thoughtcrime pertains towards, not being able to express yourself through creation is as much an attempt to control your mind as telling you not to think something.
One is not disconnected from the other though in your case with your lacking ability to either express yourself or even truly critically think I can see why it wouldn't bother you.

>>515022341
look at those mental gymnastics
creating CSAM isn't a THOUGHT crime retard

>>515022422
>look at those mental gymnastics
>creating CSAM isn't a THOUGHT crime retard
Do the children exist? Is anyone else being hurt by the process? Is there are reason for the law in this instance to even bother wasting money investigating someone who has caused both no harm and has broken no laws?
Is there a reason to allow the government to police things that are born from nothing simply because you find it detestable?

>>515022497
do words exist? why is it illegal to tell someone you're gonna kill them if words don't actually exist? *smokes weed*

>>515022593
>do words exist? why is it illegal to tell someone you're gonna kill them if words don't actually exist? *smokes weed*
Because in that case you have taken to a physical level, threatening people in public is taken seriously as a case to infringe on rights especially if you have a history of following through.
For the most part those cases are settled due to a lack of a good lawyer though.
In any case laws should be passed to find people like you and due to your nature lock you behind bars or at least prevent you from voting.
Simply too stupid to be allowed freedom.

>>515022676
>words are physical
damn dude how do you even function. actions are thoughts, words are physical. you're like a baby

>>515022718
>damn dude how do you even function. actions are thoughts, words are physical. you're like a baby
read nigger
read
https://www.law.georgetown.edu/icap/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2024/08/True-Threats-Guidance-3.pdf

>>515022960
>thinks a pdf proves that WORDS are PHYSICAL
it is clear you have no grasp on reality or how basic human communication works

>>515005802 (OP)
It's not CP if there's not an actual child in it. It's a fucking drawing. If you think people should be locked up over doodles, of ANYTHING, in AMERICA, then you're shit-eating vermin who doesn't deserve to breathe our free and blessed air
FREE SPEECH

>>515011807
>>515012722
You're looking at it the wrong way, whether people consume more """""cp""""" that ai pulled out of its ass is irrelevant, the question is how it affects their urges to have sex with kids, and considering the average man's sexual activity statistically decreases with promulgation of and access to porn, the answer seems obvious, but retards would rather be upset about what people fap to than consider how it affects actual kids.
That's without even considering how literally unlimited supply of """""cp"""""" would affect cp production and market

>>515023080
>it is clear you have no grasp on reality or how basic human communication works
It is clear that you're an autistic nigger who would be better off lobotomized so that you cannot vote allowing the rest of society to live in peace.

>>515023091
>who doesn't deserve to breathe our free and blessed air
>FREE SPEECH
>can’t post 14 years old tits

i really just do not care what jews have their bots saying
just string them all up like leo frank

>>515023130
>words are physical
>actions are thoughts
i'm just gonna leave these here for you to look at and continue to feel retarded about

>>515023178
>i'm just gonna leave these here for you to look at and continue to feel retarded about
you also can't read, as expected of a shitskin nigger.

>>515023141
You mean not drawings but actual CP? Damn Jeffery, I thought Mossad hanged you in your cell

>>515023214
then read the thread and refute the arguments, slave nigger
>NOT MY HECKING TITS ON A TEENAGE GIRL!!!

>>515023091
ah the patriotic pedophile. a well known trope

>>515023210
>ur a big meanie head who can't read!
lmao buck broken

>>515023210
i think he is secretly pro loli and just acting like a retard to keep the thread active

>>515023290
Nah, I'm good. I know there's no shortage of itty bitty titty grabbers in your sandy pedo haven shithole, though

>>515023333
nice quads jew. as expected, quite the subversive jewish tactic. comes naturally or did you learn it from a rabbi?

>>515023397
then fuck off

Cambodian babies cost $50. Afghan children several thousand. I would buy if I had access to those channels despite never watching cp. Well, besides the old Limewire mislabeled downloads.

>>515023441
i had the privilege of being a customer of Epstein & co. pre covid
my memories with those girls still make me crazy from time to time

>>515023480
I'll do as I please, Shylock. Have fun posting from your bomb shelter

>>515023097
>and considering the average man's sexual activity statistically decreases with promulgation of and access to porn
And what happens when access to porn stops? This way you're actively just chaining a possible pedo who might actually try to rape kids once the porn is cut off from him

>>515023570
You will do as I say, you little nigger.
I can just reply with a pair of 14 years old tits, and you would rush to wear your chastity cage before getting an illegal erection

>>515023570
>Shylock
>the character that introduced medieval goys to banking instead transporting chests of gold
Kinda shitty insult ngl

>>515023622
>And what happens when access to porn stops? This way you're actively just chaining a possible pedo who might actually try to rape kids once the porn is cut off from him
Like a sadistic torturer would do If their access to The SAW series gets cut?

>>515023705
>Like a sadistic torturer would do If their access to The SAW series gets cut?
You're comparing apples to oranges, not the same thing at all stupid kike

>>515008090
i do believe in the jewish pedo blackmail. they also did an exempel with clinton who did not comply to their demands (monica lewinsky is a jewess and was obviously a mossad plant).

however largest amount of congressmen that they own is via aipac and money, eg campaign contributions and media coverage. i'd estimate they have pedo tapes only on a few high level shots because its also difficult to arrange.

>you can torture and kill children in video games
>but don't you dare do anything sexual to them
if we're gonna censor shit, let's censor gay porn because it's gay

>>515023790
>You're comparing apples to oranges, not the same thing at all stupid
No I don’t. You will have to elaborate how.

>>515023662
No thanks, merchant. Go ahead and enjoy that kiddie porn yourself before the air raid sirens go off again

>>515023622
>might try
>could almost

>>515023842
>(((he))) automatically thinks flags are immutable
stfu roastie

>>515007127
technically you don't have to include nonce materials to be able to create them
If I tell you how to draw an apple, and then how to color stuff blue, you are now able to produce drawings of blue apples, even that was not explicitily in the training set.
the same goes for NAKED TITS and SMALL KID: by combining two separate topics you are now able to create nonce materials

>>515023812
>You can torture and kill children in videogames.
Pretty sure you need mods for that, and those same people make mods where you can fuck them too.

>>515023550
your shock value tactics don't work here kike. we're not your dysgenic bar mitzvah friends

>>515023141
Tits aren't speech.

>>515023898
>Brags about being a pedophile on the Internet
>Completely insufferable
It's the right flag

>>515023812
Hunger Games can fetishize teen murder as pseudosexual titillation but wanting to see cute nakedness is criminal. Circus universe.

>>515022292
You keep avoiding any thoughts questions or argument. Are you trying to feel superior to pedo? For the best part of an entire day? Are you alright?

>>515023994
>>515024017
>>515024033
roastie task force deployed to the thread for damage control

>>515023832
Porn movies are designed from the ground-up to elicit sexual arousal in the viewer. This is opposed to a mainstream film, which might be arousing, but that is not the main purpose.The main purpose of film is The main purpose is art, and a statement about life and one aspect of human nature and experience, similar to video games, the effect sexual arousal has on your brain is completely different from how a move affect your brain moshe
>>515023873
Yes, the point is prevention before it happens, but I guess you'd rather take the risk right?

>>515024100
>you keep not debating me
yeah lol

>>515024112
Here's some roasties for you

>>515024116
The minors that anyone cares about are most protected already. It would be street children and foster kids who would be the target of any new predator and their status as those things proves people already don't care about them. Cp hysteria only exists to justify bureaucratic law enforcement jobs.

I'm a gay nigger

>>515024147
I just think that's an interesting behavior from someone claiming to have ironclad arguments and morals that's all

>>515024017
if bestiality and blacked porn is legal, so the 14 years old tits will be
if this>>515017207
is legal, so the 12 years old cunny will be
if some nigger can post himself making out with a teenage white girl, so i will be
if little girls getting fucked by dogs is not a consequences that must be prevented
>>incentivize the production of such material, which necessitates the abuse of children.
is also irrelevant.

>>515023333
>i think he is secretly pro loli and just acting like a retard to keep the thread active
Possible i'm less pro-loli and more government has enough power over expression as it is. These sorts of legal chicanery always open the door to more abuse.

>>515023622
So the UK porn ban is gonna cause hordes of normal men to go and rape because they can't wank off anymore from easy access to porn? Somehow I doubt this.

>>515024116
You explained a nuance between porn and horror movies. It doesn’t answer why someone wouldn’t go on an actual torture spree if they get cut away from their films (or real gore), while you argue
>And what happens when access to porn stops? This way you're actively just chaining a possible pedo who might actually try to rape kids once the porn is cut off from him

>>515024370
>keeps trying
cool

>>515024377
>if little girls getting fucked by dogs is not a consequences that must be prevented
>>>incentivize the production of such material, which necessitates the abuse of children.
>is also irrelevant.
it is either the end justifies the means, or not

>>515005802 (OP)
CSAM what?

>>515005802 (OP)
Basically I'm just not going to support it (thought crime). UGH! I know. HAHAHAHA Basically I'm just not a subversive retard is all.

>>515024775
California Society of Addiction Medicine?

>>515024775
It's Hebrew, you wouldn't understand

>>515024775
Child Sexual Abuse Material.

>>515024884
>Basically I'm just not going to support it (thought crime). UGH! I know. HAHAHAHA Basically I'm just not a subversive retard is all.

It's not thought crime though, it's the ramping up/escalation of perversion through photo realistic AI generated child rape images, leading to an easily predictable outcome.

Labeling this as "thought crime" is equivalent to labeling orchestrated mass third world migration into the west as enriching diversity in its disgusting naivety.

Furthermore; all pedos must burn. It's not a disease, they are not victims of circumstance. These scumbags are evil made flesh, literal demons spawned from hell.

>>515025278
You need to be institutionalized and your daughters’ custody taken away from you, you’re sick animal.

>>515005802 (OP)
AI generated CP is victimless crimes.

>>515025278
I hate murderers and I hate pedos but drawings shouldn't be banned anymore than guns should be banned
3/10 for making me reply to a memeflag, savor it

>>515025412
Do you have a loicense for that schizophrenia? I haven't got a daughter.>

>515024555
>>And what happens when access to porn stops?
You are asking the wrong question. What if the porn consumption gets stale, stops providing the desired rush/release? What if something goes awfully wrong in the life of such a pedophile, sending him spiraling? Do we truly want these people conditioning themselves further into their disgusting pedophilic desires? Can we have people desiring child rape in our mid at all? Can innocent defenseless children ever be safe among such savages? What are the upsides of pedophiles living among us?

>>515025680
>You are asking the wrong question
i didn’t ask that question, i was replying to another anon.
>>515025680
>What if the porn consumption gets stale, stops providing the desired rush/release? What if something goes awfully wrong in the life of such a pedophile, sending him spiraling? Do we truly want these people conditioning themselves further into their disgusting pedophilic desires? Can we have people desiring child rape in our mid at all? Can innocent defenseless children ever be safe among such savages? What are the upsides of pedophiles living among us?
again, same applies to murderers, torturers, etc. and films and gore related to those.

>>515025581
There is a difference between a drawing and a photo realistic AI rendering, indistinguishable from the real thing.

I agree with not banning drawings as I feel that would conflict with freedom of expression/free speech too much.

>>515025680
What if mamaw had balls? Then she'd be papaw
What if grasshoppers had shotguns? Then birds wouldn't fuck with 'em

>>515025680
>>515025794
also, when are you banning muslims?
>>515017207

>>515025794
>again, same applies to murderers, torturers, etc. and films and gore related to those.
Yeah most people don't masturbate to those whereas AI generated child porn is 100% strictly gooning material for monsters who should not be allowed to draw breath.

>>515025841
>also, when are you banning muslims?
Would if I could, a thousand times over. Jews too.

>>515025838
>What if mamaw had balls? Then she'd be papaw
That's mightily transphobic of you bucko.

>>515025799
If it's so lifelike that you absolutely cannot tell if it's real then I suppose I could see the argument that it would tie up investigators trying to catch actual pedos. But anything less than 100% "photo realistic", as you say, should absolutely be protected by the First Amendment

>>515025988
>Yeah most people don't masturbate
I didn’t mention masturbation at all. I meant the murder and torture fantasies themselves.
> Would if I could, a thousand times over. Jews too.
good. so you acknowledge the huge discrepancy in law caused by images of little boys getting tortured on their penises legal©righted&traded&taxed while topless images of a 14 years old girl being illegal?

All I know is that focusing on protecting actual children is infinitely more important then trying to protect fictional ones. Any "CP" image that a reasonable person cannot immediately identify as being fiction should be illegal BECAUSE it wastes law enforcement's time that should be allocated to stop actual issues involving real people. Any clearing fictional image should not be illegal BECAUSE it wastes law enforcement time to stop actual issues involving real people.

I haven't seen any AI images that aren't immediately recognizable as being AI created, so I assume AI created CP is the same at the moment.

Also if this is such a big issue just make it illegal for AI companies to allow generation of CP in the first place. They can stop most of this by blocking certain prompts. They can even train AI to recognize "CP" and not display it.

>>515005802 (OP)
Most of this board would not defend pedophilia because we weren't molested as children we were neglected which is completely different

>>515015622
election tourist

>>515026007
That said, I do also feel quite strongly that sex dolls modeled after children should either be banned or that the purchase of such an item should put purchaser on a watch list for life or even on the sex offender's registry as you Americans seem to have so that people can be aware of the danger lurking next door.

Wish I had a tranny bouncin on my dick rn fr

>>515026113
>good. so you acknowledge the huge discrepancy in law caused by images of little boys getting tortured on their penises legal©righted&traded&taxed while topless images of a 14 years old girl being illegal?

I feel quite strongly that all genital mutilation of children, be it by religious minority groups or gender-cultists should be banned entirely.

>>515023924
I'm not sure that would work. You'd need at the very least pictures of naked children with some kind of scale in the image so the AI understands kids are smaller and have different proportions than adults, and pictures of naked kids are considered cp anyway.

>>515026192
and i think women and girls who owns a dog must go through mandatory gynecology check-ups and must be registered at the newly created dog fuckers registry

>>515026192
Can't say I agree. It's a doll with a pussyhole in it. Just being someone who'd fuck a doll is punishment enough. However if the cops want to pay extra attention to the domicile of a babydoll humper, that I can get behind

>>515026245
but unfortunately it is completely legal and nothing in sight to indicate they will get banned anytime soon. anyways the question was
> do you acknowledge the huge discrepancy in law caused by images of little boys getting tortured on their penises legal©righted&traded&taxed while topless images of a 14 years old girl being illegal?

>>515026268
Yeah let's think of children first, animal abuse can come second and on that front I suspect farm animals have it way worse with legitimate cattle farming practices than pet dogs kept by women tbqhwy famalamazoid.

>>515017788
I don't think that's it. You don't typically go to jail for drug use, only dealing, even though use is directly contributing to making more drugs.

>>515026358
I'm not up to snuff on israeli law tbqhwy.

>>515025799

There are both fundamentally fictional, just that a drawing is easy to tell apart from a real person than an AI generated photo realistic image, which is why I see the law targeting the AI stuff being just something to make law enforcement's job easier to deal with actual child abuse cases instead of wasting time and resources going after someone that doesn't exist.

>>515026401
>I suspect farm animals have it way worse with legitimate cattle farming practices than pet dogs kept by women tbqhwy famalamazoid.
You don’t understand. This isn’t about the welfare of the animals. This is about the soul breaking pain imposed on the incels by that act. It is so fucking rampant that it would take years just to watch the recorded instances of it.
This is also why all kinds of porn including CP must be legal. The pandora’s box is already opened.

>>515026561
>You don’t understand. This isn’t about the welfare of the animals. This is about the soul breaking pain imposed on the incels by that act.
Incels can go fuck themselves (logically as nobody else seems to want to..)

Women pick Chinese made plastic dongs, vegetables and fruits over them all the same.

>>515026482
this isn’t about israeli law.
Those pictures of
>little boys getting tortured on their penises
are available from many american stock photo companies, freely indexed by google and evident by those facts that completely legal.
So, yes you should be able to judge whether they cause a
> discrepancy in law

>>515023622
>And what happens when access to porn stops
why would it stop?
>a possible pedo who might actually try to rape kids once the porn is cut off from him
so what makes you think he wouldn't do it without access to porn in the first place?
the argument makes no sense

>>515026642
>Incels can go fuck themselves (logically as nobody else seems to want to..)
I think they should go ahead and kidnap little girls for their sex dungeons. Apparently all is fair game. Oh, better get military draft immutably nullified if you think those cunnies and their families should have a right to their own bodies

>>515026668
Well I do think that such religious exemptions should end but the actual practice of genital mutilation first and foremost.

>>515026735
Someone should probably bash your head in with a large rock, that would be better for the world.

>>515026751
Alright, then CP can become illegal when those things happen for a start

>>515016756
Terrible counter argument. Try harder.

>>515026487
>law targeting the AI stuff being just something to make law enforcement's job easier to deal with actual child abuse cases instead of wasting time and resources going after someone that doesn't exist.
It actually is the other way around.
Let's assume you're a Detective.
You get a tip that Mr Anon has CP from someone seeing it through his window.
You investigate and through his window see what appears to be CP.
You get warrants etc.
Going through his stuff you see it's fake AI gens.
Under old rules you let him go assuming you find nothing else and get back to real crimes.
Under new rules you now need to find out did he make it locally, did he make it on a website, did he get it from someone else?
If either of the latter two cases you now need to follow up on that aspect as well, knowing 90% of the time it leads to nothing actionable.
It wastes more time to say cops need to go after this shit than it does to just say "oops, my bad"

>>515009421
Redditors are cancer. Go to hell faggot.

Where do we draw the line of what's acceptable and what isn't? Pic related.

>>515027021
>knowing 90% of the time it leads to nothing actionable.

Documenting and investigating those interested in (simulated) child rape images in 90% of the time leads to nothing actionable?

1. Banning the possession, spread and manufacture of such images would make it actionable don't you think?

2. I think that having these names/networks on a list would come very much in handy when identifying the subset that actually goes on to abuse children in real life, acquire, trade and/or produce authentic CSAM.

>>515027194
To be fair, the original is famously located in Dutroux-country...

>>515005802 (OP)
>CP IS NOT A RIGHT
Yes it is, it is the most fundamental of all rights.

>>515028037
this cunt needs his hard drive scanning

I think hyper-realistic AI generated content in general should probably be illegal. Set a hard limit of like 98% realism on its output or something. Technically you could use AI to generate a seemingly real murder or any number of things that would be illegal in real life (not just CP) that would cause law enforcement problems if someone reports it as well.

Technically "illegal" content should be fine as long as people clearly label it as being AI though. Similar to how you know violence in movies is fake because it is a movie but otherwise might not have been able to tell it wasn't real outside of that context.

AI generated content should probably all include a watermark like they do on printers to trace documents as well. Ironically that would make AI generated content even more realistic though since companies could easily exclude AI generated content from its training preventing the feedback effects that cause things to look "AI generated" in the first place.