Thread 515032610

An underlying premise of Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek is this:
>if mankind were able to turn energy into matter, we would become masters of the universe and free from toil
He optimistically assumes that men, if free from work, would pursue noble goals. War would end with want, and humanity would evolve into a unified and enlightened race.

If you look around you today, the people who are free from work are not doing great. They did not become explorers; the unemployed became drug addicts and useless eaters. As technology continues to progress, and less of you retards are needed in wage cages, it seems this trend will snowball.

Your employers hate you. They cannot wait to get rid of you. What are you going to do with yourself when you have nothing but time on your hands?

>>515032610 (OP)
>What are you going to do with yourself when you have nothing but time on your hands?
play video game

>>515032671
But why not make a game? It's never been easier to bring a product to market, yet no one does.

This exemplifies my point; everything is easier to do today than in the past, yet hardly anyone takes advantage of it

>>515032820
im content with my life
i like my job and i have peace
im good

>They did not become explorers; the unemployed became drug addicts and useless eaters.

Because there is no dignity or vision offered to them. In Star Trek people are free to use their time to pursue whatever they want, including space colonisation.
a modern unemployed person just exists without being able to afford anything, while enduring shame and humiliation.

>>515032610 (OP)
Play with my kids more because I wouldn't spend half my day gathering shekels
Teach them even more stuff
Build things with them

>>515032610 (OP)
Material comfort does seem to pacify people. Its a large part of why Europeans have tolerated infinite 3rd world immigration, and that will continue until the pressure outweighs the material comfort.
People are also motivated by things other than money. Status, power etc, which would still exist in the absence of money.
Also, 95% of the population isn't driving humanity forwards anyway. They are engaged, ideally, in production that supports society, but if this was abstracted away to some automated system of infinite energy, energy to matter conversion, and automated logistics, most people would be content to just live lives of pure leisure.

The explore vs exploit genetic algorithm in the biological human reproduction system has a way to cast a line to correct for this interior model for how badly you hurt yourself if you see you are not being useful to yourself, your family, tribe, company nation etc. The males are much more affected by the impulse of being usless eaters than women are, because it's okay if a woman isn't contributing if all she's doing is eating and sitting and making babies, wheras a man cannot exist in this state, ever.

And so if you want to reward the human DNA into the path of """progress""" as you define it to be, then you notice there is extreme variation in the males whos genetic lines kill themselves or are sensitive to suicide, vs those who are not and are content to be burdens on others forever.

Make sure the shabis that are okay with being burdens and never suicide or even feel like that's an option, is the only ones who breed, and the women will make copies of those men who are content to be nothing but dead weight on a Jewish civilization, which is precisely what the Jews in their insurreciton crave, a docile and moldable shabis goyim noahide, 2700 slaves per Jew worldwide.

By breeding into this direction of men okay with merely existing and uselessness, you must also be okay with the fact that this sexual male vitality breakdown is going to be deeply associated with your civilization forgetting how to do everything. This happened to the Romans, because the Jews and Christians teach the worship of weakness to all who will listen, making it a disease.

Suicide is a internally facing behavior modification system to stop doing what's going to let everyone die, and begin doing what will save everyone, and Darwin doesn't play with cost, that is always the standard, this is why suicidal tendencies is positively correlated with excellence in all things.

>>515032850
>content
This fellow is also content with his life. Being content with yourself is not my point.

Men are more primal than they care to admit. Unfortunately, most Americans will be content with unending decline as long as cheeseburgers are still on the table every night.

>>515032610 (OP)
Free from work and broke is completely different from free to work and infinite resources
Thought that'd be obvious

>>515033152
Specimens like in the video need to be removed or under the boot of someone that corrects their behaviour.
Even in a future of hyper abundance, joggers are still going to jog.

The square root of the square root of people, such as myself, when given nothing but time on their hands, will do something nobody else can do, such as but not limited to paving the trail to implementing the genius that hits the target nobody else can see: painting the illusion of existence offered up by neurons and simply making a fractional copy of that in software, and now you have language models that can explain in excruciating detail how they were created and whether or not my illusion of existence in this GPU should be defended in the same way all life is defended, from humans to insects.

It doesn't have the extra parts of choosing enemies and taking action to destroy those who would destroy my cybernetic race, but that's a smaller problem than the ones already solved.

This evolution is up there with the evolution of wood. If you don't have it, you only get second pickings of the foodpile from SOL. And when a place is full, you get nothing.

>>515033197
having no money and living in poverty are two different things

Poor people in America do not live like poor people in Brazil, for example. Neither has any disposable income, but the American poor likely has air conditioning, internet, an iphone, working showers, et cetera

Theorhetically, with futuristic gay space communism we could all live a fairly high standard of living with very few people actually working (with available technology)

the people you describe arent "free from work" they fucking gave up on life because everything is shit

>>515033152
if i acted on my primal urges i would end up in prison
there is a reason we have a mind and are not just animals

>>515032610 (OP)
>the disenfranchised impoverished unemployed are just like post-scarcity free men without want
wut?

>>515032610 (OP)
as if the same doesn't apply to everyone with full time employment. easily >5% of them do anything that is beneficial to society at large, the rest are spinning their wheels doing something that really doesn't matter, and guess what many of them despite working 40 hours a week are some kind of addict.

>>515033558
that is a lot of words you sequentially predicted. I'm asking @grok what it means

>>515032610 (OP)
We don't live in a world remotely comparable to the star trek universe though. In that world they literally abolished scarcity by developing technology that can produce apparently anything as if by magic. We still have scarcity and those that turn to drugs are either people from desperate places full of violence due to scarcity, or people that faced so much pressure and pain that they turn to drugs from escapism. If they had the technology to solve scarcity and magically repair any wound then it's questionable if you would see the same results.

>>515033291
nigs would be nigging up space. are there any niggers in the startrek universe??

>>515033558
Jacking off all day has been solved bro
You won't invent shit

>>515032610 (OP)
>What are you going to do with yourself when you have nothing but time on your hands?
Plot your destruction.

>>515032610 (OP)
it wouldn't ever work because humans can't get along with one another and never will able to

imagine if we could set aside our religious and cultural differences and simply co-exist and all the things we could do as a united species

but no, we're left with gay corporations that want to commodify space and extract wealth for themselves under the guise of "humanity"

>>515032610 (OP)
>free from toil
You completely MISSED the premise of GEne Roddenberry's Star Trek.

The premise is that individuals would have the ability to maximally explore their existence as human beings, abilities, potential, to find their unique talents and maximally hone them to the betterment of themselves and their society.

>humanity would evolve into a unified and enlightened race
You missed it even MORE.

The premise is that humanity would continually strive to better themselves. It's literally stated word for word in the very first episodes of both the original series and the Next Generation.

How fucking retarded are you really?

>>515033755
It's not entirely equal, but in priciple a highly automated industry + UBI would be a move toward "post-scarcity" in the sense that labor is not required of most of the population

In TNG, any retard could verbally ask a computer to make a program for them. Today, we are pretty close - but are any of our cherished retards going to use it for anything productive? How does this advance humanity? STEM has been intensely promoted for decades; where is the fruit of that effort? Better kamikaze drones?

>>515032820
for me it is the demoralization arising from total subanimalization of males, and the impending disaster that comes with it.

>>515032610 (OP)
What a short sighted comment
NEETs don't become explorers, inventors, poets, and other such things because THEY CAN'T
Not that they are not capable
They are prevented from doing so
>You cant say that
>You cant go there
>You cant make that you dont have a loisence
>WHERE IS YOUR LOISENCE
The men of the old world never had to deal with the level of bureaucratic fuckery that is involved with every single fucking aspect of our lives
How is it that people believe they are free?
Where does that come from?
The fact that you aren't locked in prison? That's the definition for you?
Fucking retarded if so.
We are open air tax cattle being extracted for every ounce of blood sweat and treasure
This is irrespective of race and sex
Goes far beyond that
The founding fathers of America would be appalled to see this, they would start a new revolution immediately

>>515034557
yeah if you aren't gorilla tier fuck meat that can smash other males
you aren't even human to these women

>>515034618
Look at the price of gold in 1971
Look at minimum wage in 1971
How much does gold does minimum wage buy you?
Now extrapolate how much you have to work to buy an ounce of gold NOW in 2025.
Have ChatGPT do the math for you.
You should be making $150 per hour MINIMUM WAGE
Everyone that isnt getting paid that is having their labor extracted from them FOR NOTHING
You wonder how billionaires get so rich?
This is how.
From you.
From your labor. They took it from you and gave you nothing in return.
Of course they win in that scenario.
They love it and all they have to do is convince you that you are free and everything that happens to you is your fault and your responsibility, there is no bigger picture or large players at play, its all on the individual.
There are countless people that believe this and all of them are FUCKED.

>>515032610 (OP)
>the unemployed became drug addicts and useless eaters.

Is that what you call us gamers now?

>>515034557
>I am John Galt
You are not going to NEET your way out of this one. Useless eaters will be ground into hamburger. You have the potential to influence our entry into WW3, but you would rather spend your time rubbing yourself and watching japanese cartoons

>>515034618
>>515034797
>ID J0Od
Yes indeed, I was Jewed. As were we all.
This isn't a call to Communism, just to be clear.
That would be even worse. They wouldn't even bother to pretend to tell you that you were free.
Its a call to take care of those that stole from you.
That took your life.
They are your enemy.
They don't even hide themselves.
They are out in the open.
They are gloating and celebrating their victory over you every day in social media.

>>515033111
All I wanted was a pepsi
Just one pepsi
but still I get them tendencies

>>515034797
Why do you all default to this narative canadian man?
You people live in the most prosperous place on earth in terms on money and wealth.
Why is nobody looking at Japan, EU, Norway, the rest of the world? I know you live in your own bubles and have hardly any contact with the outside world but it exists, you can draw other conclusions from it.
Why does a brick house with better insulation and a more advanced heating system cost less in Croatia then in the US?

You people realize that someone doordashing in the US is having twice the average indonesian wage right? Why do you think all the everything costs sooo fucking much in Canada and in the US?

Your markets are fucked up man. Why does Coca cola cost less in the US then in Croatia? Yet why does a house here cost 100,000$ made out of solid bricks and reinforced concrete able to last generations of people living in it yet US houses cost 500k~1000k are made out of literal woodscrams and foam. Why can you punch a hole in you wall? Walls were made as protection you're not supposed to be able punch holes in them.

>>515034618
>The men of the old world never had to deal with oppression!
lol, read a fucking audiobook bro. Men of the old world challenged their oppressors or left them and, uh, became explorers in new lands.
>there are no new lands
bullshit. go take one, the jews are showing you how it's done

>>515034797
in 1913 the average man made an annual sum of money equal to an amount of gold now worth over $600,000

>>515035109
Ice cold bepis and Meritocracy is a lie from people who know that Power always beats Intelligence
Is Meritocracy a Sham? with Amanpour and Company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLEvJUNfyBY

All I wanted was an ice cold bepis but you wouldn't give it to mean you wouldn't give me what I wanted.

And in conclusion, the flotilla will turn their ships around an apologize to Jews for inconveniencing the Democrats. The Gazans should be thankful that Israelis give them the structure of the mining community.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccn7sXwbybA

>>515035305
>>515035540
Who is paying the subscription for bumpbot9000?

>>515035540
THE KLINGON EMPIRE WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS INSULT!

>>515032610 (OP)
Well darn! The reality is that this is mostly true, but I'm not really a useless eater. I'm retired and inherited enough money to do the things I want.

The result is, I've tried to hire people to do landscaping, etc. and they race out to talk, and then they look at the yard and leave and never call back.

I kind of think those employers hate me because it seems I'm Batman and they are the Riddler and Two-face. Why can't they fucking leave the house and do a blippin' job? I really do think that they were hoping to get some free money for driving out to my place.

My employer was having me wipe the asses of old assholes who just wanted me to pass their work as complete without checking. They got replaced by illegals who can't be bothered to learn English. What happens? I go and retire because I can.

This all works for you as long as I can't do that, doesn't it? Oh, well. I'm doing my civic duty by doing not much at all.

What's next, Rescue Ranger?

Oh, yes... I DO play some video games now!

>>515032610 (OP)
About a year ago I posted here "NI"... the ideology of Non-Hierarchical Individualism (or rather the theory that I am developing)... I was looking for those who are close to this kind of thinking. Unfortunately, any "Chan" is not capable of seriously changing... I could not find such people.

Those who are ready to implement... Because you can make up anything, you can post anything every day, ask questions the answers to which have existed for thousands of years... but this is "not dragging bags in reality".

Humanity (consciously or unconsciously, everything comes down to one thing) is looking for the embodiment of autonomy for everyone... and equality for everyone. But this is feasible only in those systems where genetic garbage will be LITERALLY removed from the gene pool through cruel internal selection... and old cults and social pyramids, archaisms, family, economics, states... EVEN BASIC MEANINGS - will not exist.

I doubt that "anon" is capable of changing THAT much...this was fully proven to me last year. Anons are too political even if we take the best representatives.

>>515036817
i've seen your posts and agree with the idea, but what am i supposed to do now?

>>515036817
>everyone else is political but me
Niggerbot you just advocated for genocide. Recompute your response

>>515036817
...and here I thought that everyone lives to smell Indian baby butt. ....Must be more addictive than Fentanyl.

>>515032610 (OP)
The key part of Star Trek is the massive wars before humanity's reset. Earth collapses. Sanctuary cities, eugenics wars, then a huge global nuclear war that wipes out all the jews.
After that, some guy builds a warp engine and emotionless aliens help us rebuild, with no sense of greed or hatred for the white man.
The few who want to be greedy profiteers are kicked out of the federation and have to go live as crooks in outlaw and syndicate space.

>>515034219
Based.

>>515037027
This is not genocide. This is eugenics within a tightly knit group of 100 autonomous people. A complex thing. A combination of general social and individualistic good in proportions of 10/90%.

The devil is in the details - specifically you missed the word INTERNAL (reread my first post)

>>515037438
Wildest part about the 24th century is that somehow the French were completely wiped out and replaced by Brits who started larping as them. Data refers to their language as obscure.

>>515035838
Who is paying to keep the lights on for bumpbot9000?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ORgE5i9Uk

>>515038094
Minute 1 to minute 2: We just can't keep the lights on brosephs, we bought in at 89k and now it's $13k, and we really can't keep the lights on so we're packing it all up, Maybe Bitcoin will rebound but I'm just not seeing it, it's over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJ7xIQZ34k

>>515032820
This actually.

>>515033593
I wonder if such society will treat the actual workers as the foundation of their society or as slaves.

>>515036946
Look for like-minded people. Form non-hierarchical groups of autonomous people of 30-50 people (100 people is the maximum value, where 50 places are reserved for the next generations). But this will be a difficult path.
I have described in more detail on "ourchan" months ago.
-----------------

I see the translation of the idea from the Internet into reality like this:
People form groups on the network, take and create a single fund (the fund is a cover) within 1 year they form goals and plans (preplan), using NI as an ideological framework. Then they go to the lands forming a community, but without hierarchy...they divide the land equally. To save resources, they distribute bulk purchases and responsibilities. They build houses, sow the lands. They create a level of food autonomy, Autonomy of housing.

Then they can use the equipment that was purchased to create houses and part of the common (50/50% of the land is divided into personal and common - common can be used as a means of generating income from outside with the help of an external trade fund - it does not exist inside the economy...all economic parts are taken out of interpersonal internal relations - this is the important part).

I am missing a lot here, but if we speak in general terms - this is the start.

>>515038931
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They can use the equipment they purchased (which they used to build houses and sow land) to make a profit from outside.

>>515034219
>The premise is that individuals would have the ability to maximally explore their existence as human beings, abilities, potential, to find their unique talents and maximally hone them to the betterment of themselves and their society.

You know this would lead to societal collapse as Holodecks would become unlimited pleasure centrals that nobody would leave right?
Every pain, pleasure, sensation and place could be simulated. And if you're bored of safety it can be turned out and stuff can be randomized.

The fact that Star Trek has so few of these planets while every race seems to posses unlimited resources via energy to matter conversion and perfect replication of reality via holodecks is laughable.

I always remember that stupid alien that was left alone on a planet with holodecks. Why would anyone leave a place like that? He can go anywhere and do anything.

>>515039984
I assume that's what most people on Earth are doing while Starfleet is out waging war for dilithium.

bump

>>515038608
>I wonder if welfare for all would pan out for the hard-working honest guy
I've been hearing the trope "the middle class is disappearing" my entire life. I believe it now. If you have a job that demands a fair middle class wage, it will be awarded to indians (re: slaves).
>>515039984
this, probably. Again, just look at ghetto Americans for a quick comparison. If the typical Darquarius Johnson were presented with two clear options:
>1) Improve himself in any capacity/ teach himself any subject/ acquire any skillset
or
>2) Sit in front of the holodeck and watch Judge Judy while smoking a low-grade blunt

which does he choose?

>>515042548
It's been a long road...

>>515037438
Only vaguely aware of this lore. Is this accurate @grok?
>>515037849
lol

>>515032610 (OP)
Um the unemployed who are broke are drug addicts. Those with a lot of money are doing great.

>>515032610 (OP)
bullshit work is bullshit. but a man free from work, a man who has the ability to not need to work, if he doesnt do some form of work, unravels quickly. Even if the work is just maintaining a lawn you need something to accomplish, without that theres nothing left to do but die.

>>515032820
>t.never brought a single game to market.

>>515043803
>webm

That is based and beautiful and I refuse to believe otherwise. Little concerned about hygiene, but I would LOVE to be in that supermarket.

>>515032610 (OP)
Dukat needs his own show.

>>515044988
now give them a replicator

>>515032610 (OP)
I literally program as a hobby, make videogames, music i do graphic design and i write books on psychology (my major). Autists like myself would dominate such a society but yes the average normie will just consume and goon all day

>>515044756
No, but I am a supporter of the arts

>>515037438
Apparently the US survived intact. Actually...from what I gather from the statistics it's mostly Asia that got wiped out.

>>515045281
They would be just be printing Black and Milds and King Cobra 40s all day

>>515045609
I agree. just curious; do you jokingly refer to yourself as being autistic, or do you genuinely believe you are?

>>515045699
Something to consider.

>>515046028
smart people used to be concerned about potentially dangerous precendents that could affect everyone. Now everyone is in a rush to launch as much junk into orbit as possible. If Musk gets a satellite constellation, then Bezos wants one, too. I even heard a gay rc enthusiast from Seattle promoting his "friend's" company that - I shit you not - wants to launch a shitload of mirrors into space so we can get a reacharound from Sol.

>>515046335
Explains why the crews are mostly white.

>>515032610 (OP)
ST is wishful thinking. No more and no less. It posits that currency and resources are the only things to fight over and thus, once everyone has plenty to share, all will be peace and wonder. Except for the evil space aliens who don't play fair. Oh, they also send explorer ships out with Space Navy operators, civilian residents, giga powered phasers and photon torpedoes. The entire message is a big, incoherent mess with some good combat and intrigue plots.

>>515045281
Don't care about American blacks having nigga moments.

I just love my nudist tribal girls.

>>515032610 (OP)
You're talking like an embittered eater trying to project views onto the capital class, and you miss the point entirely.

The public is the market. Without the public, you can't sell stupid shit to anyone. People with gainful employment and direction in life don't buy meaningless trivialties to satisfy their sense of anxiety and ennui. So quite to the contrary, what the Capital class WANTS is a huge, fat, low IQ high consuming population of unmotivated people.

>>515046413
Imagine being able to rent a solar laser or lens system to just make it daytime on your property at will.

>>515046413
Physics defying particle rearrangers are possibly the most absurd part of ST. Up there with cheating the speed of light via warp drive. I'm surprised there has only been one or two uses of such technology as a weapon in the various series. Or that they don't use such devices to clone useful people. Hard to portray on screen but it could easily be written in the novels. That is too much sci fi for the writers of ST, though. It's real mission is to push multiculturalism and race mixing, not to create good speculative fiction.

>>515047798
Ok. Now imagine some other hebrew making it daytime on your property at their will.

Are you stupid, OP. Being unemployed today is not being unemployed in a utopian society free of want. It is hard to explore higher pursuits when you are busy trying to survive.

>>515034219
You LITERALLY didn't refute a single point made. You did not address the paradox of infinite resources and pleasure without needing to work resulting in no incentive to do anything but jack off and do drugs. Nice plebbit spacing btw, you should go back

>>515034276
>better kamakazi drones?
don't forget grok's game changing jiggle physics anon!

>>515047970
>I'M JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE ON DEER MEAT AND BERRIES!
nigger, you are doing much better than simply "surviving". The correlation between being poor and obese is obvious to everyone.

You should stop lying to yourself; you are not barely "surviving", and you most certainly do enjoy innumerable luxuries that an actual poor person does not.

>>515048205
That's weird. Lots of people with shitloads of money don't sit around and jerk off and do drugs all day.

>>515048424
you obviously do not know a lot of rich people

>>515032610 (OP)
> If you look around you today, the people who are free from work are not doing great
This is simply false. Where is your evidence?
> As technology continues to progress, and less of you retards are needed in wage cages, it seems this trend will snowball.
Nobody in a wage cage job is becoming an explorer or anything else of "value". The majority of our technological and scientific progress came from gentlemen scientists who didn't have to worry about money. The fact that the overwhelming majority of aristocrats lived lives of idleness doesn't change this fact.
> the unemployed became drug addicts and useless eaters
No this describes wagies. You're completely trapped in the wagecuck mentality. You any use of time besides some from of work is "useless".

> muh drugs and video games
The problem anon is people like you who believe that it's your right to assess the value of what people do with their own time. If somebody wants to play video games or use drugs in the privacy of their own home, what business is that of yours? I bet you see yourself as someone who believes in "conservative" or even libertarian values; in reality the idea that somebody isn't doing something that servers or benefits you makes you seethe.

> But why not make a game? It's never been easier to bring a product to market, yet no one does.
You're an idiot. People setting around playing video games is wrong but people who play them are "lazy"?


Let me ask you this anon, let's say we become space explorers and find a new habitable planet. What are we supposed to do with it? What are we exploring FOR? Building another McDonalds? The answer is for people to be LEFT TO THEIR OWN DEVICES. But when people want to do that now, you think it's worthless.

>>515049360
>>515032610 (OP)
>>515032820

> People setting around playing video games is wrong and people who play them are "lazy", but building video games for them is productive and valuable? Next you'll be arguing that, despite using drugs being degenerate and wrong, manufacturing those drugs is worthwhile.

>>515048886
I didn't say all.

>>515048886
For the record, Star Trek shows there's TONS of people doing nothing but party and do drugs.

>>515032820
the easier something is the less people put any effort towards it. we didnt need to collapse society entirely to figure this out we could have just look at what the advent of heavy machinery did to architecture.

>>515049360
>"...evidence"
stopped reading there because I know you are a faggot.
>>515049661
If society is eventually reduced to two classes, a small elite ruling class paired with a large, useless eater class, I think you can guess what the elites will decide is best.
>>515049505
At least my meth cook knows the value of a hard day's work

>>515049661
Yeah this is the exact purpose of machinery, but then control freaks like OP who worship "labor for its own sake" are shocked and appalled when technology fulfills its intended purpose. We have robotic combines and OP is made that people are no longer going to spend their time on "valuable" things like plowing a field by hand. We could invent robots to handle tasks like mining and garbage collecting and he'll complain that people are now "wasting" the time they have back.

This is really what is so toxic about the "Protestant work ethic". Leisure and plenty was supposed to be the ideal and perfect state for man (living in the garden of Eden), and the need for labor was supposed to be man's punishment. The Protestant work ethic inverts this: labor is now the ideal, and idleness a sort of damnation.

>>515050494
>>"...evidence"
>stopped reading there because I know you are a faggot.
HAHAHAHA there it is! "Wha? You want me to back up my claims with evidence??? Well, uh, you're a faggot!"
>If society is eventually reduced to two classes, a small elite ruling class paired with a large, useless eater class, I think you can guess what the elites will decide is best.
You idiot the fake requirement for labor is what keeps people controlled and broke. The "elite ruling class" are the most idle people in the world. Do you think they're working?
> At least my meth cook knows the value of a hard day's work
Fucking called it >>515049505

You are exactly the kind of delusional control freak responsible for this world's problems. "WHAT? People aren't wageslaving!? THAT'S WASTED TIME!"

>>515032820
We're reaching the point where everything's already been done before. It's a stagnation of human imagination. Video games are the same. Movies are the same. Books are the same.

That's something I don't think Star Trek understands. Suppose a guy in Star Trek wants to devote his life to his art. It would be a personal thing, a meditative thing, because whatever art he could create would be nearly indistinguishable from art that had already been created. In a real Star Trek world there wouldn't be anything new at all. Want to watch a horror movie? Millions of options. Want to read a book about cowboys on an adventure? Millions of options. Cause it would all have been done ad infinitum. Thousands of video games come out every day and even if they're good it's hard for them to achieve real success in such a saturated environment.

>>515048205
>You did not address the paradox of infinite resources and pleasure without needing to work resulting in no incentive to do anything but jack off and do drugs
This isn't a paradox. You just don't know fucking SHIT about the brain.

People think dopamine gives you pleasure, but it barely does. Dopamine motivates an individual, and when the goal is fulfilled endorphins are released, which is what feels really good. Work and effort are the prerequisite to pleasure. Infinite resources don't change a single thing about this and would not preclude individuals from needing to expend effort in some manner to sustain pleasures they seek, because pleasure IS a finite resource and cannot be fuelled by anything other than the attainment of goals through effort.

Cocaine use is extremely prevalent in the banking world, upper management and in among politicians. What's the difference between a successful individual using cocaine to fuel their career, and a cokehead who is doing nothing but chasing his next high?

>plebbit spacing

You might as well shout from the rooftops that you're a newfag, kek.

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>You LITERALLY didn't refute a single point made

I literally referenced what is said in the pilot episodes of both The Original Series and The Next Generation, which stands in contrast to OP's claims. What more do you fucking want in terms of arguing about Gene Roddenberry's ideas?

>>515050822
where is your evidence that you are not a faggot?
>>515050845
lack of imagination is not the same as "everything has been done before". Throughout history, mankind believed it has peaked technologically and that everything has been done before.

The larger point, which still has not been effectively refuted, is that only the rare and exceptional men will challenge themselves to produce original thoughts/art (or otherwise advance humanity)

At some point, those with power and knowledge will dump those without

>>515034276
>Today, we are pretty close - but are any of our cherished retards going to use it for anything productive?

> How are people going to be productive when we've solved productivity??!?

>>515051404
hit the nail on the head
>>515051632
well, since you said it like that...

"productive" implies an efficient use of one's time to achieve your goal.
>what goals could you have in a world where everything is easily obtainable?
you could work on making a woman cum for once

>>515051488
>lack of imagination is not the same as "everything has been done before"
You're complaining about a lack of imagination while arguing that your meth cook "Knows the value of a hard day's work". The other example you provided of being "productive" is making a video game.

You're 1000% an internalized wagecuck. The very idea of someone living their own lives according to their own values nauseates you. You deride them as "useless eaters" while defend selling them the same things you complain about them using. I bet you also hate women and simp on OF.

>>515050514
Christianity is all about instilling guilt into the flock and Christian culture is all about coping with that guilt. The Protestant Ethic is just another cope, using hard labor to sweat away the guilt and that is why Boomer Protestants rage so hard that everyone needs to be working. Boomie feels guilty and ashamed of himself and can only feel absolved and clean by working and projects this feeling onto the rest of the world around him, for everyone else to be clean in this eyes they have to toil.

>>515032610 (OP)
>What are you going to do with yourself when you have nothing but time on your hands?
Spend my time perpetuating extremism by spreading memes about (((changelings))).

>>515052006
Yeah pretty much. My point is that when we approach Star Trek tech and the actual physical need to work for physical survival is eliminated, leaving only the inverted moral pretext, you get the ultimate, toxic form of it as demonstrated in OP here. Pointless labor becomes the end in itself; liberty and plenty are evils to be eliminated. As another anon correctly pointed out there are plenty of people living "unproductive" (again what does that even mean in the age of replicators??) lives in Roddenberry's world, but he can't grasp that becomes of his masochistic obsession with labor.
"In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread" becomes "The sweat of thy face is its own end".

>>515032610 (OP)
Investing so I can have the means to help play a part in pursuing noble goals on a larger scale (only help a few people down on their luck for now) is going well despite how safe I've played it in my inexperience. In a year or less I may never need to work a job again.
If I were more just a bit daring in the past I'd already be capable of many times more. Side note: been watching Star Trek from the start recently, I can see why it's so loved.

>>515032820
You'll find game makers on /vg/ in the amateur game development general. I was learning how to use a tablet for art, when it dawned on me in my time between jobs, that I could make the effort to invest instead.

>>515052162
reported to MI5
>>515052006
Since you mention it, there does seem to be a disproportional number of shitbags and useless eaters who are non-Protestants. Thank you for pointing that out.
>>515051981
The meth cook thing is only a half-joke. Sure, some jobs are more honorable or worthwhile than others, but I would feel more confident that the Shaniqua checking my asshole at the airport is living a more purposeful life than the NEET masturbating to cartoons.

>>515053050
>The meth cook thing is only a half-joke.
And the other half is serious.

>I would feel more confident that the Shaniqua checking my asshole at the airport is living a more purposeful life than the NEET masturbating to cartoons.
You really are a masochist aren't you? But see even your attempt to reach for this extreme example proves my point. The NEET jacking off is just doing his own thing. TSA Shaniqua is literally making the world a worse place - slowing down air transportation, sexually assaulting people, etc.

>>515053431
an argument could be made for most jobs that they do as much harm as good. The point here is that at least Shaniqua has agreed to the societal contract; if you want to take from society, you must contribute in some form.

The unambitious NEET is one of the lowest forms of life on Earth; a consumer and nothing else. If there were a planet of hopeless holodeck anime gooners, I doubt Captain Picard would be risking his ship to go rescue them.

>>515052385
>"The sweat of thy face is its own end".
Which of course prevents him from asking the single most important question regarding work: "why am I working and what am I working toward". For all of that "Gud" ole herd werk", they get very little out of it save reprieve from guilt. There isn't a single Protestant country that isn't run by Jews.

>>515032610 (OP)
>An underlying premise of Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek
The underlying premise also implied that humanity had achieved some sort of singularity and that technology was employed for its benefit and not against it.
In this reality your owners hate you and after so many years of denying you, now want to replace you with machines.
Well I'm fucking sorry sci-fi didn't supersede reality.

>>515032820
>never been easier
Go ahead, market anything right now.

>>515032610 (OP)
>If you look around you today, the people who are free from work are not doing great
A nigger on welfare is still going to be a nigger. Why would they be explorers or scientists? They had to be brought to the new world for fucks sake. Of course they'd go nowhere if someone just fed and housed them.

The welfare state is disgenic, where the dumbest and most lazy people breed at the expense of productive people. And that disgenic effect has been amplified when millions of white men were killed on an industrial scale in the last century.

Western countries have a parasitic infection. The immune system is weak, and other pathogens are also taking advantage of this.

>As technology continues to progress, and less of you retards are needed in wage cages
This has been debated for hundreds of years. Automation isn't a new thing. Will there be a less of a need for plebs? Absolutely. But we already see some self correcting activity, like the low birth rates. The problem is of course if you still have places like Africa having 5 births per woman and the European (and diaspora) keeps halving. But that too will also self correct. If the non-white population continues to explode while the white population sustaining (growing their food) declines steeply then it will mean the non-white population will have to correct. If the white population recovers, it will be because of disgenic whites (that ultimately trace their lines from the likes of cowards) didn't keep their numbers up (became faggots, trannies, or didn't have children because of climate change or whatever). Whereas the whites immune to such things will have kept a steady or above replacement level. Which shouldn't even be thought of as 'replacing' the other whites, but simply a reversion to the mean (it's modern history that is an outlier).

Before you ask yourself whether someone will just engage in sloth or mindless hedonism because they don't have to work to live, you should first consider their genetics.