Thread 520961978

I'm hearing chatter about front lines collapsing again, and Kiev in two weeks. So is Russia winning? SMO over soon?

>>520961978 (OP)
Pokrovsk was a major objective. By capturing Pokrovsk Russia has basically wrapped this thing up.

>>520961978 (OP)
kiev has no electricity.

>>520961978 (OP)
tactical winning and strategic failure and no the war isn't going anywhere for years to come

>>520961978 (OP)
russia will give missiles to venezuela, its pretty much over for you guys in 2 weeks and 2 hours. trust the science!

>>520962036
How far is Pokrovsk from Kiev?

>>520961978 (OP)
>SMO over soon?
Likely not.

>>520961978 (OP)
bro flies like i do in arma when im trolling and trying to get my team killed by pretending to crash
>whoops the first time didn't blow us up better take off and "crash land" again

>>520961978 (OP)
Russians are advancing meters at a time for catastrophic losses.
There is zero chance of Ukraine giving up so they aren't going to get to keep any land.
It will continue until Putin dies or is replaced. He can't admit defeat or he will be killed.
So it keeps going. It's carnage and russia will not recover from this for a century.

>>520962036
>. By capturing Pokrovsk Russia has basically wrapped this thing up.
>>520962254
>How far is Pokrovsk from Kiev?
kek, it's just under Buckmot and far away from Kiev. It means nothing except Communists destroy another city for their Talmud masters so it can be rebuilt as a smart city.

>>520962036
What's important about Pokrovsk?

>>520962616
ukraine is fast running out of towns and cities to defend in Donetsk region
Slavyansk/Kramatorsk agglomeration is up next

>>520962524
Ukraine serves the Jews too anon. Dunno if you realized this. Rothschild has been banned in Russia though which is factual.

>>520962616
Nothing. It would just straighten the front line if Ukraine was to lose it but russia has commited hundreds of thousands of men to it so Ukraine are keeping it as a kill zone.
It used to be useful due to the railway as a supply hub but that's destroyed already.

>>520962189
Would anti missile technology defeat it?

>>520961978 (OP)
The war ends with a Russian military victory. There is no other possible outcome. Anyone with a shred of intelligence knows this.

You know how many tanks the entirety of NATO produced last year? You know how many tanks Russia produced in the same period? You know who built those NATO tanks? Ask an LLM those questions if you can't be bothered finding out the old fashioned way.

>>520963315
You're an idiot and probably a jeet. Everything Russia has sent has been destroyed. They can't produce shit. They are currently laying off military workers because sanctions and drone strikes have flatlined their economy.

>>520963420
>t

>>520963420
https://larrycjohnson.substack.com/p/russia-vs-nato-the-strategic-imbalance

>>520963017
Do you think Pokrovsk is more useful now as a meat grinder?

>>520962920
>Slavyansk/Kramatorsk
That might take another year or so of grinding out.
Donetsk region isn't even important.

>>520961978 (OP)
They should push all they way to Gibraltar and execute every politician and financier they can find along the way.

>>520963613
Yes, the bodies are everywhere. russia is losing horrendous amounts.

>>520963537
>>520963548
>https://defence-blog.com/russias-top-tank-maker-faces-deep-workforce-cuts/

>>520963738
we aren’t in a hurry
>donetsk is unimportant
what?

>>520962524
>their Talmud masters
I love when NAFOs try to be antisemitic. Bro. You're rooting for the Jewish West. Zelensky is a kike. Russia threw their jew oligarchs out the window.
Fine, you hate Russia for whatever Cold War era rightoid reason, but they're not "ZOG East." Russia supports Iran, lmfao.
Everyone who says Russia is the "Talmud jew side" is telling on themselves for being some politically naive chubby 20 year old that calls himself a "fascist nazi" while sucking off Israel and Ukraine.

>>520963420
That's crazy! So, how much territory has Ukraine permanently retaken in the past 6 months?

Norway is going to take care of everything.

>>520961978 (OP)
Trump should have gave Ukraine the Tomahawks.

>>520962524
Kinda strange that those evil commie bastards first created and developed it for 70+ years, presumably for the same Talmud masters, nyet?

>>520963805
> deep workforce cuts

Solid bait for the current American media landscape. Shall we run a search for “workforce cuts?”

>>520964018
None. They are fighting an attrional war. Preserving their troops while degrading the enemy.
And they've degraded the shite out of them.

>>520964192
Did you read the article?

>>520961978 (OP)
they might capture the town they've been encircling for the past 12 months soon.
If that's winning is up to your interpretation

>>520964259
>they are attritioning a nation multiple times the size of them
>the enemy continues to claim territory while they remain in constant retreat
>there is no plan
>this is winning

>>520964328
Nope, I was too busy reading about all the other workforce cuts thanks to Donald

>>520961978 (OP)
I'm not saying it's the end, I have no fucking idea honestly, but when it does happen the end will be very sudden. It's not going to be a bloody grind all the way to Kiev with years of siege or some movie shit like that. The AFU is going to just completely collapse at some point. They'll no-shit run out of ammo, fuel, or maybe even men. It's not that Pokrovsk is right outside Kiev. It's that there is barely any built up defenses between Pokrovsk and Kiev, and hardly any troops to send to man them.

>>520964609
2 more weeks right Ivan?

>>520962036
Actually nope. You missed weeks of it.
The russians were surrounded like the 6th army at stalingrad. They were sighted but not killed.
Putin was personally responsible.
><Putin is> “…a unique strategic opportunity”
His own people were saying.
And he was throwing them out of Windows assassinating them left right and centre only a few days ago. That’s what all the murders were about.
He was daftly sending in army after army to link up with the knackered trapped army but it was a trap and they all got wiped out every single time.
>so now
Maybe he’s linked up and can rescue some trapped turniptroopers. All that has been saved is putin, probably.
>>520961978 (OP)
>in two weeks
>i’m hearing
You’ve been telling the same lies for 4 years. Frothing at bullshit.
You are an arsehole scammer.
Mother Rasher has been winning it’s 3 day special military operation for 4 years.
So kys. Go and join in if you are sure of victory.
>proof
Go look at the casualty stats, how fast they went up from a mil and now are in there way to two. Seems to indicate that this narrative at least had some reality to it.
It certainly explained the people dropping out of windows all over moscow the last couple of months.
>but poo sez
Brap. Sniff my farts if you want, it’s similar, wind off poo.

>>520964259
>None. They are fighting an attrional war.

>>520961978 (OP)
A perfect example why two main rottors are superior. The Kamov engineuity.
The heat from the engine exhaust always go to the back, so the tail of the helcipter is its most vulnerable part. Heat seek meeting missiles hit there.
And without tail rotor heli is doomed.
Unless it has two main rottors

>>520962254
Ground wars are not about distance, everyone has as much of their forces as close to the front as possible, because its difficult to reposition. You cant just keep guys to a central location and send them where needed.

Ukraine only has about 25,000 in reserve, behind the lines, doing border security and policing duties.

So once Russia bursts the lines completely they can roll up either side, and theres almost nothing between them and kiev.

>>520962036
Bullshit.

It is slaviansk and Kramatorsk.
There it is planned 750000 till 1.2 million Russians to be culled trying to capture it.

Slaviansk is where it ll started!
Slaviansk is the main objective!

>>520962254
Capturing Kiev is not feasible.
RF gave up on that the moment ukr start killing their adcancing columns of show off military on the way to Kiev. During the first week of the invasion.
By the end of first month , they gave up.

>>520961978 (OP)
a little bit but it's been a shitty back and forth granted Ukraine did some things for PR points that err weren't a great idea.

Luckily for Russia however the EU is incredibly weak so it can't do much.

>>520962920
You will never capture slaviansk , nigger!
Never
Slaviansk is Ukraine.
2 million Russians niggers will be slaughtered there and you wukk not capture it.

>>520961978 (OP)
the SMO shall not stop until we reach the dnepr

>>520963613
Wtf is this pic? Post video , nigger!

>>520965013
people have a hard time massing forces due to ISR and drones and other tactical artillery/missilry. this is a problem on both sides really. somewhere in early 2025 Russia did actually pull off allot of damage but wasn't able to mass troops to exploit it.

The war will end when either side runs out of bodies and there's millions more to go.

>>520964687
You remember where "2 more weeks" started, NAFO? It's how long it was going to take the Russians to run out of everything from shells and missiles to gasoline and fucking food and have to surrender.

Three years in and a mild recession is the worst the motherland is suffering.

>Russians taking massive loses

1. I straight up don't believe Ukraine is somehow killing literally dozens of Russians for every guy they lose. Every sign except "Ukraine says so" points to Russia having a MUCH higher K/D ration than Ukraine.
2. Russia is rather famous for not giving the slightest fuck how many men they lose to take an objective. It has literally never even slowed them down. They don't value their men or equipment like the west does, both or lower quality but can be replaced in an instant from nearly endless supplies of military age males and factories that can be converted from making sheet metal roofing to rifles in an afternoon.

The question isn't if Ukraine can hold out long enough for... Uhhh....
It's when are they going to be literally unable to keep fighting Russia.

>>520965370
it's gonna take a while both sides cannot mass troops effectively.

>>520963315
Russia is already sitting on borrowed money from China, and gasoline prices in Russia have almost reached European levels. New taxes on EVERYTHING will go into full effect in January. Russia has already lost everything it can: growing national debt, huge taxes, gasoline shortages, a huge budget deficit, and high inflation.

>>520962524
Putin is a Jew
https://strawpoll.com/e7ZJablGMg3

https://files.catbox.moe/n56cbr.mp4

>>520964423
the plan was never to win it was to weaken Russia economically and otherwise to then coup it. it hasn't really worked but make no mistake if they could've thrown georgia/azerbaijan/kazakhstan/mongolia/tajikistan at russia right now they would've.

>>520963017
Imagine actually thinking this.

>>520965576
I have no idea where they got the idea Russia was somehow going to rise up, kill Putin, and split into a billion small disarmed states. That was literally a pipe dream. Probably some CIA masters of the universe type sniffing his own farts.

>>520964328
>did you read my gchq/cia lies
Go back to /k/

>>520965522
you know who's also a jew? and i know this might come as a shock for people here.. so i'll try to broach the subject gently.

The leader of Israel. i did a lot of research on the subject and apparently they are very pro jewish. it even seems they are led by a jewish man after finding out that there's temples called synagogues apparently jewish people congregate there on a day called shooboott i know this is very troubling news but it had to be said.

>>520965644
Remember when people believed they could do aerial bombardment on the UK during ww2 and other nations to have the people rise up and sperg out of nowhere similar thinking. it's wish casting. but they most likely would've used elements that are just sleeping currently in Russia so who knows it might've worked.

>>520965576
They are more likely to coup themselves. Maybe importing more niggers will help.

>>520965763
>war subject.
>american flag.
>how can i insert my black peepo spergery into this.
>i got it.jpg
>BLACK IMMIGRANTS.

Yeah....

>>520965370
>Russia is rather famous for not giving the slightest fuck how many men they lose to take an objective. It has literally never even slowed them down.
This isn't true in this war. If anything their slow advancement is because they are moving carefully, minimizing their own losses.

>>520964423
So enough about the Sovie Union during WW2

>>520965515
So now your economy is just as bad as the west. Except instead of being indebted to jews its the chinks.

>>520964259
this is one of the funniest posts I've ever seen here and I've been here since near the beginning. the fact it's some weird anal bong dude making is makes it doubly hilarious.

>>520965515
jadnigga, pls

>>520964075
>sell gas to heat their homes
>they cry and call you a profiteer
>don't sell europe gas
>they cry and then also freeze to death
What the fuck? Are those retarded cunts ever happy? Did all the people who actually enjoy life flee to america and australia? Fucking yuros

>>520963315
Tanks have not been impressive in this war.
Nor have helicopters.
I'm not sure what future these vehicles have in future wars.

>>520961978 (OP)
Not even fucking close. the russia would need to win over another 200, 300 Pokrovsks. It's not even a first step, but a tip-toe. And the russia still managed to hit a furniture with a big toe. I give it two years before the russia shits itself comically economically.

>>520965267
It's the latest in drone defense.

>>520962036
wrong
but it means they can now attack on west of pokrovsk - a open fields planes, witch means ucraine have to devote many many troops there if they do not want russians to steam roll 40km with armored vehicles and tanks, - and ucraine is running out of men - russia have now troop advantange witch is why they attacking on the whole lenght of the front , making ucraine forces streched, they will atack west of pokrovsk but the objective is north of pokrovks
russia is only interested in donetsk because thats where the natural resources are,
find natural resources map for yourslef

this is the pokrovsk everyones talking about, for reference. apparently now that this has fallen, the rest of ukraine follows, or something.

theyve been fighting for this spot for 1 year and 3 months

>>520964609
>The AFU is going to just completely collapse at some point.
You e been saying that for years and now russia is down to walking into battle.

>>520963039
Maybe if they get it during the launch phase but after that, no.

>>520963017
Stale pasta

>>520962254
>How far is Pokrovsk from Kiev?
How far is infinite money, infinite supplies, infinite soldiers, and infinite PR from Zelensky?
That's right, about Pokrovskian distance far.

>>520962419
>t the last retard that pays for a bbc licence

russian shills just so very desperate for ANY win.
Still not got one lads.

>>520964259
You're so deluded, mate.

>>520963920
no it did not retard jew.They literally have a jewish city and half of isreal speaks russian.

>>520968009
Get the fuck out of my country you pakijeet.

>>520965203
We`ll release Strelkov and send him there alone.

>>520968037
More copypasta responses

>>520968014
>half of isreal speaks russian.
Because they didn't feel at home in Russia dumbass

>>520961978 (OP)
This website would have you believe Russia is winning in any meaningful way and the proponents of this narrative constantly move the goalposts. It would also have you believe that like 80% of Americans, conservatives at least, love what Putin is doing and hate Russia.


Russia is not winning.

>>520961978 (OP)
>is Russia winning?
yes
>SMO over soon?
no

>>520962920
But we're running out of Ladas, barely any niggerwife is collecting payments anymore

>>520961978 (OP)
On the long timescale, probably. They had similar age demographics at the beginning of the war and a significantly higher population. Unless Ukraine is killing Russians above a 3:1 ratio, they're bleeding the fucking shit out of their young. And from all the remotely believable counts I've seen (not that 28:1 bullshit those goofy shitter furfags keep posting) have the ratio well below 2:1, most being close to parity.

In the short term nothing is really happening and it doesn't bode well for Russia's combat capabilities if this is supposed to be a showing of what they've got. But that only really matters for external parties watching the conflict from the sidelines. For Ukrainians who are at all informed about what's going on I'm sure the situation is beyond bleak.

>>520961978 (OP)
NATO will fully enter the war.

>>520961978 (OP)
Russia does have vast manpower reserves, so objectively that can keep throwing men into the grinder.
Kind of embarrassing having to resort to a war of attrition vs. a third world country, but they claim that strategy is a certain win.

>>520961978 (OP)
https://x.com/front_ukrainian/status/1987195196908405143
Me trying to fly helicopters in Battlefield 6.

>>520968618
Could Denmark take Ukraine in a 1v1?

>>520961978 (OP)
yes
hence all of the faggot shills screeching otherwise
they gotta keep the public image up so the money keeps flowing into pockets

>>520968844
Hardly the same comparison, as they have five times our population and fourteen times our landmass.

>>520965013
Once Rus start moving vehicles west even those 25K will be able to decimate an armor column with drones, javelins and atacms. It really is a hard war to win without absolute air power.

>>520969041
Which country in Europe do you think could take Ukraine in a 1v1, assuming they shared borders?

>>520961978 (OP)
>the back fell off

>>520969110
Poland, Germany, France, Sweden, Norway

>>520969380
That’s absurd.

Maybe france

>>520969403
You have to consider that first world countries don't choose to enter a war of attrition.

Instead they would fight with a strategic mindset, turning tactical gains into operational successes that would allow a strategic victory.

For example, when an enemy strongpoint has been scouted, you either avoid it or obliterate it, instead of sending 10 waves of men into machinegun fire.

Wars are the Jews harvest

>>520962616
roads

>>520961978 (OP)
They were never losing.
Ukraine was targeted for sacrifice for whatever reason and the people considered expendable cannon fodder. They took the bait with both hands and they were slowly exterminated.
Probably Romania next. Western Europe will take in all the most subhuman members of their society and the best will be thrown in to the meat grinder.

>>520969786
Shut up you mong. You pakis have to go back to your low iq mud huts in your shitty country.
Your opinions do not reflect anything that is actually happening .

>>520968618
>this troon is implying ukranny fights with xer resources
talmbout embarrassing

>>520962036
Nafo seething at this trvke

>>520969860
I forgot that the Ukrainian army consists solely of NATO soldiers.

>>520962616
You're tellin me I can take a bath on the go? Fuck yeah

>>520969907
Don't forget the cloned Boris Johnson's from the biolabs....

>>520969929
That's already been blown up. Saw it in a video last week.

>>520962524
The Jews are big mad at Putin for undoing much of the corruption and theft that began under Yeltsin and was draining their nation dry.
That's why they call him Hitler, if you stop their theft, then you're Hitler.
Saddam = Hitler
Gadaffi = Hitler
Putin = Hitler
They won't call Xi Hitler because they invested too much into China and the Chinese might just turn around and take their toys and tell them to get fucked, nothing they can do about it because they've Jewed Western Europe and America so much that they're no longer a threat to the Chinese, they can't even stop the Russians.

>>520964708
Here's one of the sociopathic kikes I was telling you about.
Seething from Tel Aviv with his memeflag.

>>520962254
Usually the Pork Roast and the Chicken Kievs are separated by the Beef section.

>>520962189
They are welcome to nuke our cities, no big loss.

>>520961978 (OP)
It was an IQ test. Same as the vaxx, if you thought Russia was ever going to lose you're probably NGMI in life

It took them 2 years and insane losses to capture a city with 60k population. Only ziggers would call that winning.

>>520970071
the Stinky beef section

>>520969843
Been busy in the thread, little kike?
Two more weeks! Israel and Ukraine are our greatest allies!
Kier Starmer said we have to prepare for war with Putler!

>>520961978 (OP)
Russia has been winning since 2023. Their strategic objectives - the annihilation of Ukraine's manpower capabilities without a major loss of Russian lives - takes time to accomplish. The Russians have the military and social will to fight wars without having to worry about what women think, unlike the west, so there was never a rush on Putin's part. What we've seen this fall is the culmination of 3+ years of warfare aimed at annihilating Ukrainian men themselves in a manner the world can't complain about. Pokrovsk fell startlingly fast because the AFU has nothing left and is just standing and dying in positions on the regimes orders while the Russians redeploy for another strategic offensive. If the Ukrainians had've negotiated a year ago they wouldn't be facing another freezing winter and they would've been left with a coastline. Now Russia is taking the entire south east and Crimea and the coast line.

The Ukraine is done as a functioning country after this war. It will be a civilizational blackhole for at least 150 years. With Jews You Lose. Ukrainians shouldn't have sided with ZOG.

>>520970368
I note you don't deny your shitskin status.
Shitskin.

>>520970388
>without a major loss of Russian lives
Lmao.

>>520969380
Even with Ukraine having full NATO support?

>>520962036
Pokrovsk is a small city near the russian border. After it falls, Russia just moves forward a couple of kilometers, and then is stuck again in the next fortress. At this rate, it will take hundreds of years to conquer ukraine.

>>520970388
>giant russian shill cope
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>520970458
Why would I worry about the slurs of a worthless kike-rat? Your entire religion is shitskins with every kind of DNA except the one you're supposed to have.
Little bit of nigger, little bit of Slav, little bit of Mongolian. A religion of rapists and rape babies.

>>520969585
>avoid it or obliterate it
The Russians certainly like to obliterate things. Air power only gets you so far though, eventually you need boots on the ground to move in and capture turf. Drones have made that last part particularly hard which is where both sides are struggling.

>>520961978 (OP)
Russia took first "bigger city" since bahmut. This big cita had in its peak 60k people. This is big prize for 2nd army in the world fighting with poorest european country with no support from usa since trump.

You cannot at least say that russian cannot cheer small things lol

russia already lost

>>520970458
>Calls everyone shit skin
Post skin with timestamp then, faggot. Everyone on here is brown until proven otherwise so your insults mean nothing.

>>520970593
And who will stop them? Finland, you're up. Go get Russia since you're in NATO now or did you join because you're terrified of them?

>>520970799
Ukraine’s been doing a decent hob all by themselves really. With cheap shit drones too LMAO.

>>520961978 (OP)
In the end its like every other city that Russia "takes". Never encircled, frontline slowly moves throught the urbanized area, city reduced to rubble.
In military history when you talk about "taking" a city what is implied is that you encircle,besiege and eventually capture the city with all the soldiers and people inside. None of this happened in Ukraine with the exception of Mariupol, every other city captured by Russia is just a location that the frontline happened to intersect, like the battlefields of old.

>>520969907
>le soldiers
Are you brown
Can’t read and cope at the same time

>>520961978 (OP)
It's almost impossible to say who's "winning" at this point, it's become a complicated war of attrition where Russia is almost certainly taking way more casualties than the Ukrainians, but at the same time Russia is much more able to absorb heavy losses than the Ukrainians - who are also losing a lot of men just through the sheer scale of the war even though they appear to be generally far less wasteful with their troops' lives than the Russians.

And meanwhile in the background there's the long-range air war, where Ukraine's capability to strike sensitive infrastructure deep inside Russia (e.g. oil refineries) has been steadily increasing in both sophistication and scale, but going the other way Ukraine is quite heavily dependent on Western-supplied air defence systems to protect itself against massive drone attacks and reliable long-term Western support isn't guaranteed.

The whole thing is up in the air at the moment.

>>520969930
don’t forget to dial 8

>>520965576
>>520964259
The "plan" is to have NATO prop up zelenski for a long as possible to justify inflated military budgets and retarded national budgets going into the military industrial complex.
Ukraine is literally just Russia 2, think of it as Germany and Austria. This whole idea that they're democratic freedom fighters is the most retarded shit ever. They are as if not more corrupt than Russia.
This war is a waste of time, money, and lives and should be ended ASAP

>>520970919
Pokrovsk actually was an important logistics hub 2 years ago but russians bombed all of the rail network so it is ironically useless now. Just need any win before the 4 year anniversary.

>>520970565
Why would Ukraine have full NATO support if a NATO member was fighting it?

War doesn't happen in a vacuum, a first world country would find ways to win before they even started the fight. For example by isolating it from its allies first, instead of just launching a full scale invasion and hoping for the best.

>>520961978 (OP)
Imagine going to war and dying for Jew minerals.

>>520963420
Citation please.

>>520966429
Women should never be allowed any power in government. They are weak minded and make their countries weak willed.

>>520971106
>For example by isolating it from its allies first, instead of just launching a full scale invasion and hoping for the best.
The Kremlin probably figured that Ukraine was already pretty isolated from its "allies" at time given how the whole 2014 thing went down without so much as a peep from Western nations. They probably weren't expecting Western governments to suddenly grow a collective backbone and actually get involved at the kind of scale that they have.

>>520962036
AAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

can you imagine the USA failing to take Calgary after 3 years?
yeah, distance from the russian border to kiev.

>>520961978 (OP)
When a Ukrainian soldier surrenders, is he officially recorded as having surrendered—or, more likely, as killed in action?

Of the roughly 900,000 reported Ukrainian deaths, how many are actually prisoners of war now held in Russian custody?

It would be strategically disastrous for Ukraine to disclose the true number of captured troops, since doing so would expose the real condition of the war. Both the government and mainstream media would avoid publishing such demoralizing figures at all costs.

For many Ukrainian soldiers, surrendering would be a rational alternative to the brutal “meat grinder” of forced conscription and near-certain death on the front lines.

MSM would logically tell of brutal Russian treatment to discourage desertion just as enemies of the USA did in World War II.

>>520970850
Drones are a fucking menace. How is NATO planning to deal with them? I saw the US had invented a drone that drops a grenade recently kek
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2025/drone-dropped-grenades-signal-new-era-of-small-unit-combat-power-and-tactical-reach-for-u-s-army

>>520971106
Hypothetically, nigger. You argued initially that Russia can't beat "third world" Ukraine, but who could given they were in Russia's position with a country on their border with NATO intel, weapons, training (kek) and a million man army? Not many countries could. However, Russia should have dealt with this back in 2014, which is what I assume you'd expect first world countries to do, so perhaps you have a point there.

>>520971515
>given how the whole 2014 thing went down without so much as a peep

There was outrage and it is still not acceptable that they just send troops into the territory of a different nation and declare it theirs.

>They probably weren't expecting Western governments to suddenly grow a collective backbone

Yes, and then instead of admitting a mistake, they double down and continue down this retarded path.

>>520972312
No, I argue that it's embarrassing how Russia has conducted the war so far, not that they can't ultimately win.

Imagine if America, instead of blitzing through Iraq in 2003, got bogged down immediately upon crossing the border and then spent years throwing waves of men at the problem, in lieu of fighting like a first world country.

Iraq had a massive army, Iraq had Russian equipment. It is a fair comparison, especially as America had to conduct that war on the other side of the world.

>>520972731
>Iraq
Iraq was 20 years ago, back in a time when tanks and armoured vehicles were a thing and it was against demoralised sandniggers who hated their government. War has changed a lot since then. Also, the Iraqi army basically evaporated once they allies crossed the border then the US just had the insurgency to deal with.
If we look at Falluja as an example of the warfare, the US had overwhelming air, land and manpower advantage and it still took them six weeks to clear it. Ukraine has a front line the length of Portugal with numerous cities to clear and is filled with organised, trained, armed white people with the best intel and small arms money can buy. Again, not comparable imo. I would say though that the proximity to Russia is the issue and the US would have smacked Mexico down harder and quicker if they'd have tried to do what Ukraine did.

>>520968014
>They literally have a jewish city
No. They have a Jewish Oblast with no Jews in it. The Jewish city is in Ukraine. Why do you think 99% of global Jewry supports Ukraine?
>and half of isreal speaks russian.
Because they left Russia, retard. That's like saying the Jews that left Nazi Germany speak German.

>>520971280
>>520963420
>Citation please.

>>520964328
>Did you read the article?
Yes. It said 10% workforce reduction by 2026 for one tank manufacturer.

>>520973436
>smacked Mexico down harder and quicker if they'd have tried to do what Ukraine did.
Yes, this is what I'm trying to clarify, Russia has been bogged down in a war of attrition, not because of standard cope of "b-but it works", but because their initial all out assault was a complete shambles.

Captured plans afterwards showed the timelines their high command expected were utter fantasy.
They tried an all out airborne invasion on Hostomel airport which was utterly destroyed, and at the same time sent most of their forces towards Kiev hoping to decapitate the armed forces.

I think the root cause of the failure is systemtic corruption within the Russian elite, which trickles down, and you end up with incompetent generals, officers who can't accurately rely information to their superiors and dilapidated equipment.

They tried brining down a wall by hurling a sledgehammer at its strongest point, but didn't realize the hammer was brittle, the handle rotted and the guy wielding it drunk and brain damaged.

The blowout panels worked!!!!!!!!!!

>>520964609
>The AFU is going to just completely collapse at some point.
I am fairly certain the West European plan is to prop them up at this point with Polish and Romanian troops to prevent collapse with western air and special forces support.

Ukraine has not gained a single kilometer in russian soil lol

Every fake article about Ukraine's superiority crumbles in the face of facts sorry

>>520961978 (OP)
The retarded part about this was they landed it but the pilot decided to keep trying to fly it after breaking the tail and chose to kill everyone instead.

>>520962189


Yeah, that content is just for gullible poo's to believe in while they are busy waiting for total annihilation. AKA , AI generated sh!te. It can only get worse.

Seethe some more

>>520973784
The Hostomel helicopter assault was pure kino though but the huge convoys of supply trucks after was embarrassing to watch.

>but didn't realize the hammer was brittle, the handle rotted and the guy wielding it drunk and brain damaged.
Topkek
I do think the Russians adapt well though (eventually) even if we take the piss out of them a lot. They introduced cope cages, which have become a staple worldwide, fibre-optic drones, effective jamming, glide bombs and so on. Their tactics with the small groups of recon squads/infiltrators also seems to pay off in this type of warfare. I hope NATO takes note of what works and what doesn't based on what we've seen. The US bragging about developing a cutting edge drone that drops grenades(!) doesn't inspire me with confidence however.

>>520970388
>Pokrovsk fell startlingly fast
It took 2 years, hardly fast.

>>520961978 (OP)
Russia minimizes its casualties by flanking major cities, cutting off supply lines, and leaving a well-guarded opening for the enemy to retreat and huge losses. T

>>520971106
Russia and Xi Jinping literally declared a "friendship without limits" three weeks before the invasion in 2022. Moreover, Russia spent like 20 years building up its relationships with the world via BRICS, OPEC+, among others. Russia had also vastly improved its relationship with Germany(see Nord Stream). While protecting itself from sanctions by stockpiling gold and other assets.

>>520961978 (OP)

m8 Russia has won, even if Ukraine has not fully lost. They have occupied Ukraine for years, Ukraine hasnt regained an inch of soil. Even with the help of the whole of Europe and the USA Ukraine has not regained 1 inch. It's just a matter of time, a year, 5 years, 10.

Every year since 1991 Ukraine's population has declined, and very steeply since the war started. Ukraine will go as Crimea has already gone. Neither Ukraine nor Europe nor even USA can explain what an Ukraine "win" would look like in this war.

Meanwhile trillions of Euro and US money is filtered off from their own populations all in the name of the "war effort".

>>520970593
Tell me nigger, how many men has Ukraine had under arms since the start of the war? How many are still alive?

>>520974367
Yes, Putin sold out his countries economic future to China.

There is nothing Russia can offer China at this point, apart from its raw resources.

And in return, it has Xi's sanction to continue this retarded war.

At some point russia army will fold up like syria did.
They produce nothing, the sovietd stock is about to end, economy is in the shitter, leadership is in tatters due to complete corruption, putin is surronded by yes men anyway.

Russia will be balkanized, i wonder if at least the moscow region will still be called "russia" or that term will die.

This war may be the biggest blunder in warfare history.
And the most funny thing is... this is CIVIL WAR, ukraine is more "russia" than all siberia/east regions.

>>520971008
>It's almost impossible to say who's "winning" at this point
Rofl. It's not difficult at all. At best you could debate what victory means for either side.

For example, if Odessa isn't Russian by the end of this war, Russia lost.

>>520962616
>What's important about Pokrovsk?
there is last Ukrainian mine with coal that is used in steel production. After Ukraine loses Pokrovsk they will be forced to buy this type of coal from australia

>>520974571

m8 russia makes hydrocarbons. Oil, gas, you know, the stuff the entire world runs on. Stuff that is a commodity which can be mixed, blended, confused, with the same commodity from anywhere, so can easily avoid sanctions. The war has been going on for years and years now and hte EU is still buying its hydrocarbons from Russia, only via India. This isnt going to change no matter what is announced. Russia has a cast iron business model. Oil is like oxygen... the world can live without it.
Russia will not balkanise because the situation for Russians will not improve materially by balkanisation.

If the country broke up, then some people in some regions would have nothing at all, versus "almost nothing" they have now. Almost nothing is better than nothing.

>>520961978 (OP)
God I hope we are close to end this farce, please let them grab last wave of young asshole hohols sitting in Poland for final meat grinder showdown

Realistically Russia has won. Its just a question of how expensive the victory is and if it fucks them long term.

Without NATO willing to actually go to war the Ukrainians have to rely on their own population, their own institutions and whatever volunteers they can recruit.
Their institutions are a circus run by gypsies. Their population has been gutted. And the volunteer numbers have dwindled to a trickle.
So yeah this war was always in the bag for Russia. But that doesn't mean Russia got the victory they wanted

>>520970593
where is this next fortress? can you find a city between pokrovsk and zaporozhia that would make a good defensive position?

>>520962050
I was wondering why there was less tranny porn on here then normal

>>520974746

This.
Every weekend I go out to a cafe here in london and am served an extortionate coffee by a Ukrainian waitress. The young hot ones mostly. I guess the babushkas with kids (now likely a widow) stayed in the mother country. What future has Ukraine with no women in it? They arent going back.

>>520974502
The point here is, China will never let Russia "lose". They've already said it publicly. They not only declared a friendship without limits in 2022. They reiterated it again in 2025 at the three-year anniversary of the war. Thus your supposition that Russia just started a war and hoped for the best is utterly retarded. No, Russia spent every day since at least 2014 planning for this war. And they will not lose. At least not militarily. The best you can hope for is a "strategic defeat" or a "pyrrhic victory".

https://www.reuters.com/world/xi-putin-hold-phone-call-ukraine-war-anniversary-state-media-says-2025-02-24

But yes, Russia and China are not friends. China just loves the fact that America is distracted in Europe. They hope the war goes on forever.

>>520974571
At some point Ukraine will fold up like syria did.
They produce nothing, the nato stock is about to end, economy is in the shitter, leadership is in tatters due to complete corruption, zelensky is surronded by yes men anyway.

Ukraine will be balkanized, i wonder if at least the kiev region will still be called "Ukraine" or that term will die.

This war may be the biggest blunder in warfare history.
And the most funny thing is... this is CIVIL WAR, ukraine is more "russia" than all siberia/east regions.

the conquest of syberia took 198 years to complete. embrace the comfiness

>>520974746
Decent summary. The US and chinks have benefitted the most from this war.

>>520961978 (OP)
>>520962036
This. Putin has emphasized the importance of Pokrovsk from the beginning as one of the central goals of the SMO.

>>520963738
then why is the ukraine severing so many types to defend it instead of just racing to moscow?

>>520961978 (OP)
This is a very old helicopter that doesn't have any sort of modern warning system that would warn you about something like a broken tail so the pilots error is semi understandable

>>520975005
How much do you need a tail with a counter rotating prop heli? Can it still be landed safely?

>>520974733
Dude look around you, all "resource rich" nations are complete colonial shitoles.
All that money goes in the pockets of the ruling class who have reason to keep the nation weak and get bribes.

This is also why russia will NEVER truly recover from this war.
Is truly over.

>>520974746

Who gets what out of this war?

1. USA gets Europe to spend more money on defence. Allowing USA to eventually face the threat in the East without distraction.
2. China gets USA distracted by Europe (now it's no longer distracted by Middle East) until Europe finally gets its defence act together (see 1).
3. China gets to continue turning South China Sea into a private China lake while USA is distracted.

Europe gets nothing. UK underwrote Ukraine's debt so UK arm of Blackrock could lent Ukraine money without breaking their various rules/ratios/covenants/risk parameters. UK financial oligarchy is happy about this.

Actually the only win for Europe is the Ukranian pussy that flooded into London and which I occasionally pump and dump. Cant stand the crying though.

>>520975094
vassal states don't matter.

>>520975092

Russia is an oligarchy. Russian people _want_ to be rules. They do not want to rule themselves. You know the Rus tribe were almost unique because they begged for smarter, better organised, _foreign_ warlords to take them over and run them, and prevent them being raided by other tribes? Russians are happy to be ruled, really rules, and not even by people that are of their own population. They dont care about that.

It is a pretty interesting subject all in all. They do not think like us.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_people

>>520975191
Katherine the Great was one of the greatest rulers. And she was of German descent

>>520966758
the ukraine won't have the men to defend 300 pokrovsks. unless you want to volunteer... such a mighty warrior as yourself will surely kill 1000 russians
https://www.ildu.com.ua/
they're still taking untrained trench meat

>>520962616

Last major conurbation in Donbas area. Mostly open countryside to the Diper river. No defensive lines of merit constructed behind it.

>>520975281

Yup. It's quite a pragmatic way of thinking really. Caring more about the result than the source of the ruler. If the population cant or wont produce it's own leadership, then get some leadership in because that is better than being at the mercy of other hostile tribes and groups.

>>520975092
Hahaha stupid fucking faggot yes Russia so so "done" in fact in Ukraine if you are a male they will hunt you dont lmao and force to do die in there meat grinder. There are no males :) guess after the war they will have to replace there dead men with indians? Fuck that little actor kike

>>520967160
perhaps you would like to show us territorial shifts on the western front in ww1. make sure you zoom all the way out so we can see the full extent of both countries. obviously nothing of significance happened there since we didn't see huge tracts of land being exchanged or rapid advances to the capitals of either belligerent

This fucking was over the moment AFU launched that retard counteroffensive in 2023 summer and failed.

Now it's just AFU getting btfo and losing ground

So if NATO really does go to 5% of GDP, it will take a year or two and then suddenly Ukraine has infinite equipment tho not infinite men.

>>520970176
what is the numerical value of 'insane'

>>520975094
USA made it clear early on what they get out of this war: Less europeans.

>>520975092
>Dude look around you, all "resource rich" nations are complete colonial shitoles.
Resource-rich countries have largely been divide-and-conquered into oblivion. The primary exceptions are America and Russia.

It's not that the government of those countries want to "keep the nation weak". It's that foreign governments want to keep them weak because resource-rich countries are at a natural advantage. Which is why America has been doing everything it can to divide Russia. As long as Russia is together, it is a threat.

Likewise, the Russians and the Chinese are trying hard to break the United States apart. I'm waiting for China to give Mexico a Zimmerman telegram.

>>520971079
as we all know, rail lines are insanely difficult to build or replace. for example it took russia 10 years to build an overland rail line from rostov to sevastopol

>>520975094
Who gives a fuck about Europe? We only propped them up to piss off the Russkies. They are completely fucking irrelevant otherwise. And I get soo fucking tired of hearing their pretentious loudmouths acting like this is still the fucking 19th century.

>>520972731
go ahead and google this for me 'how long did the united states bombard iraq before they started their ground invasion'

>>520975829
EU has a similar GDP to the US. lmao.
It is much less united of course.

>>520974116
2 years ago the battle for avdeevka hadn't even concluded. holy fuck poles are just dogshit retarded. no wonder your whole history is just russia and germany tag team raping your country

>>520975979
>EU has a similar GDP to the US. lmao.
You're basically Taiwan, retard. Please learn how the fucking world works. If you weren't protected and economically propped up by America, you'd either be Russian, or you'd be poorer than Africa.

That is reality. Whether you want to hear it or not.

>>520961978 (OP)
the have to use kids under 11 years old to fill the ranks, and if you think that's how to win a war then I got news for you op

>>520975829

Personally I'm in favour of cutting Europe off completely from American assistance, militarily or in any other way. European politicians hate America, they hate americans, and they even hate what america stands for. They are expressly against american ideas of freedom.

America has coddled europe for too long, should have phased out NATO help for them over the decades. This has prevented the natural enemies in Europe (germany and france) resolving their beef with one another.

>>520975878
One day, what's your point?

>>520975626
>GDP
How is it in 2025 people don't know what GDP is? It's fucking nothing

>>520963039
The Patriot system that couldn't even protect Israel's Iron dome?

>>520962036
Bait but
>Bakhmut is the final fortress
>Avdeevka is the final fortress
>Vuhledar is the final fortress
>has to recruit north koreans to bolster kursk or risk a frontal collapse
Yea I'm thinking Putin will want to talk after taking a few more destroyed towns in Donetsk lmao.

>>520961978 (OP)
>SMO over soon?
Depends on how many more subhumans globohomo has in store to throw at russian chads.

As graphs show, hohols are steadily getting more and more buck broken by russian chads. First morale drop happened after Avdeevka was liberated. Second uptick in the end of 2024, when southern front around Kurakhovo collapsed.

15000 deserters per month is no joke. One can only expect more growth in 2026 after many more hohols were killed, maimed, burned in encircled Porkovsk.

Total Russian Victory is inevitable.

>>520962254
about 147 years of winning

>>520962254
They've done about a mile a month from Avdeevka to Pokrovsk (22 miles 22 months lmao)

>>520962920
>ukraine is fast running out
>pidor pidorovich flag
kekarooooo

>>520975829
The USA got involved with Europe to keep it weak.
Hence why it invests so much into undermining Europe

>>520977641
> seething, coping, shidding and farding because of three color bands
Cool.

>>520961978 (OP)
Russia is trying a new tactic. They try sneak a handful of faggots, I mean, solders throw the front lines and take pictures. The russian internet peasants then take crayons to maps showing how they are advancing. Of course, the faggots are all found and killed, but the peasant queers will keep posting their faggot maps here day and night.

Relentless advance of russian chads in the south is also quite interesting, even more their future angle of advance, will they cut from behind all the hohol frontline all the way to Dnepr river or will turn north? Excited to see. Gulyai Pole is soon to be Velikaya Novoselka 2.0

>>520962920
>running out of towns and cities to defend in Donetsk region
kek, your "2nd military in the world" can't even occupy ONE region of Ukraine, in the same amount of time "the great great patriotic war" was won and Berlin taken.

>>520961978 (OP)
Kiev has no electricity and the shit in bags

Not looking good for hohols.

Grok what do you say?

>The distance between Pokrovsk and Kyiv is 719 km. The road distance is 617.9 km.

Anything else?

>Yes! Dec 11, 2024 — Russian forces are now just three kilometers (1.9 miles) from the outskirts of the eastern Ukrainian city of Pokrovsk.

So, since it took one entire year for Russia to advance three kilometers, how look my will it take them to reach Kiev?

>Two hundred years. Three hundred if there's traffic.

>>520961978 (OP)
hohols are dying en masse, so russia is working on winning, once they have achieved total hohol death then they will be winning

>>520962616
that bath tab is kinda genius for transporting wounded soldiers

>>520977429
Their gains are increasing and their losses are decreasing whilst Ukrainians are deserting in huge numbers. You are wrong, everyone wants to talk but Putin because Russia's on a winning streak.

>>520978834
>Implying linearity of gains

>>520966940
drones use rpg cumulative charges. Those work by melting armor forcing it to act like a liquid.
if you put 0.05$ metal rod in front of it then it becomes useless.

that funny looking structure is pure genius.
it takes up to 40 drones to destroy that tank.