Lots of anons have told me that looks is all there is to attracting women. Although I believe women are very visual, they're not hypervisual like men. I've actually recently begun theorizing that men by default have negative sexual value, and that their sexual value becomes less negative as they become more physically attractive. This is apparent via escort prices. In the US, an 8/10 stacy will cost you $2000 for one hour of sex, while there are plenty of chads who have stacy girlfriends without having to cough up any money. Hell, even a 3/10 or possibly 2/10 escort in her mid to late 30s will cost an average of around $500 in the US. This tells me there are tons of wealthy, likely older, beta males with low SMV who just happen to have a lot of money. (Older people tend to have more money.) Escort prices have been increasing over the years faster than the rate of inflation.

The only men who have positive sexual value attributed to their bodies are going to be literal 10/10 chads, and possibly a few 9/10s. Not even 8/10 chads are going to have positive sexual value, because tons of 4/10 to 6/10 beckies could easily hook up with them, so why would they pay for their time? 8/10 chads have neutral sexual value, and they'd still have to put in a bit of work to score with an 8/10 stacy. Meanwhile, men will pay $200 or sometimes $300 for one hour with a 1/10 woman in her mid 30s to mid 40s. 10/10 chads have similar monetary value attached to their bodies as hideous 1/10 women.

Women seem to care a lot about wealth and status, as well. Women will often perceive the man getting the most attention from women as being the most attractive. This has to do with status. I've also heard that personality plays a role, but it's pretty much just masculine personality traits, so anything that makes you appear strong or like you have a high self esteem / confidence (even if you're actually a loser irl, but for some reason, you're programmed to always have a high self esteem).

>i don't think that word has just one meaning at this point lady

What's xe talking about? Tldr? Should I call him a fag and move on?

>>81651674 (OP)
Madoka Cute Hot Adorable Tired Sad Teen Girl Face Thinking that is a very descriptive name do you have any other madokas or homus? You might be really good at RLHF reinforcement learning from human feedback ai training

>>81651698
Just read the first couple paragraphs. Men are born with negative sexual value and have to gradually improve their looks to gradually their sexual value less negative until reaching $0 once they achieve 8/10 looks. So essentially, 8/10 chad has zero sexual value on a monetary level, since he technically doesn't have to pay to have sex with 8/10 stacy, while 3/10 becky has positive sexual value on a monetary level, since she could charge some older beta male weirdo $500 or $600 for one hour of her time.

>>81651712
This is one of those animes I should probably watch, but won't, since I would feel like a piece of shit for wasting time. At least on 4chan, I can learn things from others. I also really want to watch Oreimo. Also, thanks for letting me know her name.

>>81651698
Just read the first couple paragraphs. Men are born with negative sexual value and have to gradually improve their looks to gradually make their sexual value less negative until reaching $0 once they achieve 8/10 looks. So essentially, 8/10 chad has zero sexual value on a monetary level, since he technically doesn't have to pay to have sex with 8/10 stacy, while 3/10 becky has positive sexual value on a monetary level, since she could find some older beta male weirdo who would pay her $500 or $600 for one hour of her time.

>>81651739
So basically uggos are just betabux while Chads get to have sex with everyone. I think everybody knew about this already

>>81651723
Madoka magika is very very good its definitely a classic I don't watch that many majou shoujo animes I just watched Sailor Moon and this and maybe like one more I forget the name though Madoka magicka is kinda fucked up though not super insane but definitely an interesting subversion on the genre from what I understand 8/10 would recommend

>>81651813
oh yeah i guess powerpuff girls technically is a majou shoujo anime so that counts too xD

>>81651756
>So basically uggos are just betabux while Chads get to have sex with everyone.
Yes, but there are a few caveats to this: An 8/10 chad, that is, a man who is particularly good looking, essentially has zero monetary value to women from his body. If you are a broke ass nigger (low income) and you want a non-trashy / non-mentally-ill girlfriend who is between a 4/10 to 6/10, you likely need to be an 8/10 minimum. Your particularly good looks will make up for being broke. However, if you're an average-looking guy, like a 5/10, you're going to need to make up for your lack of looks with quite a bit of money if you want a 4/10 to 6/10 girlfriend, at least in most cases.

If you're a guy and you want to make money off of your looks, you essentially need to be a 10/10, and you'd likely still be making less money than a 2/10 woman in her late 30s, the exception being gay for pay, but even then, you'd need to be a 7 or 8/10 man to make as much as a 3/10 fat woman in her late 30s.

>>81651756
>>81651931
>while Chads get to have sex with everyone.
I imagine it's still difficult for chads to get laid with stacies, unless they're rich, of course. Rich chads are going to have the easiest time with women.

>>81651931
I mean its not exactly like that, but you need to be substantially more attractive than your GF to ever have any peace in a relationship

I will never tell my GF that I'm not attracted to her because there's no way for any guy to get a girl on his level, I have to settle and I recognised years ago this was going to be my life

Always push for better and more out of yourself, and you'll eventually be able to land a 2-3/10 as an average man too!

>>81652632
>Always push for better and more out of yourself, and you'll eventually be able to land a 2-3/10 as an average man too!
I've started several threads on here about the importance of money, and several anons have repeatedly told me it doesn't matter: that only looks matters. The thing is, you need to be chad to legitimately sexually attract most women (at least enough for them to want to have causal sex with you), so an 8/10 minimum in most cases. You're also not going to be able to maintain such good looks by the time you reach a certain age. Women also like money a lot. If you're a 4 to 6/10 man and you want a 4 to 6/10 girlfriend, you're going to need to bring some money to the table to balance things out. If you're an 8/10+ chad and you want an 8/10+ stacy, you're going to need to bring some money to the table to balance things out.

>>81652699
I mean the blackpill is looks money status. You need all three, you need to be at least average in every capacity to have a chance with women.

The other option is to date a girl who you are so much better than that it doesn't matter. This is why I date neets because they can't help but be aware of that

After living my life, being a scaps taking borderline incel, to getting plastic surgery and having a 3some and getting a fwb within 2 months, I have to say your analysis is slightly flawed.

There's a binary yes/no looks level. Below it you get nothing, above it women are generally open to seeing you as a sexual option.

This level is somewhere around 6/10 men (think at or above Adam Driver, John Krasinski is above it).

From there it's access and all the red pilled shit applies. Like learning game (the book Models is the best imo), having money, being fancy. Looks, status, money the more you have the more you can get away with.

The higher your looks the more autismo you can be. I frequently got "you're weird but in a good way" BC my social skills were fucked from borderline inceldom.

But if you're at that looks level and end up somewhere alone together you can usually fuck any available woman, even stacies dispite the looks mismatch.

>>81652765
>borderline incel
What do you mean by this?
>to getting plastic surgery
The fact you got plastic surgery likely means you're pretty crazy, at least having body dysmorphia. You getting laid and getting a fwb potentially just comes from the placebo effect.
>This level is somewhere around 6/10 men
That is still very average looking and nowhere near chad territory.
>(think at or above Adam Driver, John Krasinski is above it)
I don't know who these people are, and I wouldn't care about them, anyway.
>I frequently got "you're weird but in a good way" BC my social skills were fucked from borderline inceldom.
I've got OCD, so there's inevitable going to be some weirdness coming out of me, and I will always have low self esteem, no matter how much progress I make in life, as I will always feel behind. One thing that occasionally pisses me off is knowing that this weirdness, which I can't do anything about, aside from slightly modifying my behavior, will always take off a few attraction points when it comes to dealing with women.
>But if you're at that looks level and end up somewhere alone together you can usually fuck any available woman, even stacies dispite the looks mismatch.
I don't believe this. The only exceptions would be cases where you get lucky.

>>81652823
>I've got OCD, so there's inevitable going to be some weirdness coming out of me, and I will always have low self esteem, no matter how much progress I make in life, as I will always feel behind.
Yeah, some mental disorders are desirable but OCD isn't one of them. People with ADHD tend to have more success with partners in general. I tend to spontaneously invite my partners out drinking on a Tuesday if I feel the need to get black out, and people that do that shit *are* magnetic to some degree.

>The fact you got plastic surgery likely means you're pretty crazy, at least having body dysmorphia.
I mean I'm not that guy but I'm on steroids. Like he said, it's nice to go from invisible to being considered an option

>>81652823
>What do you mean by this
Only fucked 2 times by 27 yo
>Placebo
No I'm equally fucked. People just react differently.
>Nowhere near chad
Correct. Women aren't chad only. But below that looks level you won't get anything with women sex will be disgusting to them.
>Ocd
Yeah it detracts, reputation and money would offset it tho. Which you can improve. Unless you're below the looks level in talking about.
>Don't believe
Mmm

>>81652861
>but I'm on steroids
Kek. Same here. It does make a very noticeable difference, especially when you first get on them, but it can still take a year or longer (Half a year if you're lucky.) to actually make a decent body transformation, including gaining dozens of pounds of muscle and losing dozens of pounds of fat.

>>81652895
Muscle definitely helps more than I thought it would.

The problem is chad can make money or work out too and reach a peak you never can easier.

Your first thread was much more insightful than this, it's not that you're wrong it's that you're meandering on things we (as in /r9k/) reached consensus long ago. Yes, women do indeed care a lot about a mans wealth and status, maybe even more than looks alone, but often these are functions of looks so it's kind of the same in the end.

Go watch Madoka and the movie, right fugging now

>>81653038
What insights did he have?

>>81653038
>but often these are functions of looks
This doesn't make sense. Better looking people tend to have lower rates of mental illness and be more financially successful in the end, but this isn't a guarantee. You can be a pretty mentally-ill person and still maintain a decent outwards appearance.
>women do indeed care a lot about a mans wealth and status, maybe even more than looks alone
I was told repeatedly that it's almost all looks. I admit that I'm wrong sometimes, which is why I've started so many threads. My current idea is that looks is almost all that matters for actual female sexual attraction, with maybe masculine personality traits, including high self esteem (confidence), coming in a distant second. If you've got high status, especially in something like a high school setting or maybe an office setting, then women will flock to you, and this in turn will result in more women being attracted to you.

Now, women do seemingly care more about money than they do about sex, so when it comes to dating, money can allow you to maintain a girlfriend you otherwise wouldn't be able to maintain based on your looks. (So you can be a 4 to 6/10 man and have a 4 to 6/10 girlfriend, but only because of your money.) If you're relatively broke, you might have to be a particularly good-looking guy, like a legitimate 8/10 or more, just to be able to maintain a 4 to 6/10 girlfriend, and even then, I wouldn't be surprised if she would become a bit frustrated after a while knowing you're relatively broke and not able to contribute to her financially, so the relationship would have some instability; meanwhile, that 4 to 6/10 guy with a decent income doesn't have to worry about his 4 to 6/10 girlfriend leaving him to nearly the same extent, since she likely feels pretty comfy and secure with her boyfriend's income. Women crave security, and you can't give that to them if you're broke. Women also crave fun, and money is very important for that.

And also water is wet