Why are men scared to talk to women?

>>81935847 (OP)
>Why are men scared to talk to women
My mom beat me

They know its a 99% chance of failure and that girls don't want to be bothered 98% of the time.

>>81935847 (OP)
Most of those girls get approached all the time and most likely your friends are making fun of you:

If girls want you, they make themselves approachable. They make it clear

Talking to women is setting yourself up for a humiliation ritual or being accused of a crime, depending on your luck

>>81935847 (OP)
Look I post it again

>>81935847 (OP)
>Why are men scared to talk to women?
I just dont have anything to say and im honestly not that curious about a stranger even if they are cute

>>81935847 (OP)
There are literally too many reasons to list. Just think of everything that could go wrong, it could wind up being the biggest mistake of your life

Its much safer to just live and let live. There's plenty of chads to go around.

>>81935847 (OP)
regardless of gender why would you approach a stranger?

>>81935879
>women find 80% of men unattractive
They're absolutely right. Most men are not even aware of the most basic hygiene rules.

>>81935912
What the hell does hygiene have to do with anything?

>>81935924
Smelling like sewage water isn't attractive.

>>81935847 (OP)
Because they're narcissists who are terrified of rejection because they view it as a humiliation ritual.

>>81935946
>they view it as a humiliation ritual.
I ask a girl I know and even she admitted its a humiliation ritual.

>>81935847 (OP)
I don't know what to talk about

>>81935961
>I made up an imaginary scenario to prove my point of view
yep. the narcissist at work. i do believe they call this gas lighting.

>>81935946
Foids will absolutely turn what should be a simple rejection into a humiliation ritual, the more foids there are around, the more cruel they get too. They get off on the attention from men they're not interested in and on perceiving themselves as able to discard them thoughtlessly.

>>81935879

>OMNIMAN, IS THAT LE HECKIN' OMNIMAN?!?!?!?! HE'S HECKIN' AWESOME!!!! THIS POSTER MUST HAVE A POINT!!!!!!

No, but for real, you do have a point.

>>81935912
No, men are generally more hygienic and well-groomed than women. It's all about genetic elitism, you just hate them because they aren't tall as fuck with a gorgeous face and perfect bone structure. The problem is that you're chadsexuals.

>>81935939
You cant smell a facial bone structure you gaslighting vagina ape

I don't talk to men or women outside of work, it's rude to bother strangers.

>>81935981
The narcs are just coming out of the woodwork and ousting themselves as narcs.
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>>81936003
Narcissist cannot fathom women rejecting them you roastie piece of shit, they are the types of dudes who literally say
>Bro just talk to them

>>81935981
I once got rejected by a girl I didn't even want to ask out and she acted super theatrical. She had a friendgroup around so this may be why.

>>81936009
narcissists are the people who lose their shit because they got rejected one time.
you know nothing about NPD

>>81935981
I use to call it that as a joke, but the more I thought about it, it really is a humiliation ritual. Getting over approach anxiety is basically learning to stomach the humiliation of rejection as you desperately try to fuck women you don't know.

Remember this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A
The men are all framed as creeps and weirdos just for shooting their shot. If you try and fail, people are literally laughing at you.

>>81935879
>>81935986
>>81935992
Have you seen the average men? Then you would understand, they don't do the minimum to take care of their appearance.

>>81936014
Even without a group around, they will still gossip about you and eviscerate you later. Approach enough women and soon the entire female population of, say, your college will avoid you because these things get together and gossip. Being approached by non-Chad men offends them, they are like subhumans to them.

>>81936054
Yh because they have a grandiose view but the typical incel has no confidence you gaslighting vagina monkey fuck off and die

>>81936056
Also these are normies doing this shit not incels so that makes it even worse

>>81936060
To be fair men have a lot less looksmaxxing options than women do because less things are socially acceptable for us. Once you have clear skin and a low BF% as a man you're basically looksmaxxed. The most important features like height and face you have no real control over. Meanwhile women can have a full face of makeup, hair extensions, a padded bra, spanx etc.

>>81936065
Happens in clubs all the time, they blatantly lie to bouncers to get the bouncers to discriminate that specific dude anytime he comes to the club.

>>81936060
>don't do the minimum to take care of their appearance.
What do you mean?

>>81936060
>Men exist to make my vagina wet
Your doing a great job at proving women are prehistoric monkeys, femoid

>>81935847 (OP)
A lot of women use you for free things, like food, drinks, snacks, of course thats not all of them but you cant tell which one is using you and which one wont, so in this shit economy its better to not try at all

>>81935847 (OP)
Nothing good ever happens when I try to talk to women.

>>81936056
>why are they hitting on this absolutely average woman?
>relize video is recorded in New York

>>81936124
She means nothing, shes just saying scripted shit to appear intelligent but doesnt care about making an actual coherent point.
If your on this board you need to not take females seriously and see through their horseshit

>>81936060
Most of the men I see outside look completely normal. Most of the women I see look slightly greasy, they have an oily sheen over their skin.

>>81936108
Yeah, clubs, colleges, your workplace, fucking church congregations, whatever, you approach a woman, you risk being the victim of a smear campaign simply for stepping out of line, with potential catastrophic consequences. It's brutal

>>81936075
Just because they have a grandiose view of themselves doesn't mean they have any confidence at all. And more often than not, the grandiosity is a facade to hide the fact that they do not have confidence.
Very few narcissists actually have confidence of self, they're extremely insecure. This is why they insult people, and employ all sorts of ego defense, put other people down, etc.
You know, just like incels. The reason they hate women is because women make them feel insecure.
Incel and narcissist are the same word. They refer to the same people.

Narcissism is a pathological perception of the self that is conflated with the ego. The ego must be defended at all costs, because they cannot identify that they are more than their ego. Just. Like. Incels.

>>81935847 (OP)
>"Hi-"
>pepper sprayed
>arrested
>raped by prison thugs
In that order

>>81935847 (OP)
I tried a few times but I find it exhausting because women don't really say anything directly and instead will drop "hints" that are all over the place. If they could be honest about rejection or about wanting to finish the conversation it would be a lot easier to stick with the ones that are interested, instead of having to guess what she was trying to communicate behind the word salad she just spewed

>>81936171
>the grandiosity is a facade to hide the fact that they do not have confidence.
Shut the fuck up, you have never been around narcissistic asshats, they cannot comprehend that someone is better than them

>>81936106
>The most important features like height
Nobody cares unless you're a midget

>>81935847 (OP)
>41 replies
Why do you faggots do nothing on this board but respond to obvious bait. I made a interesting thread the other day with 0 replies and you go in on this garbage. Pathetic. Any excuse to talk about "muh anxiety" huh.

>>81936171
>You know, just like incels. The reason they hate women is because women make them feel insecure.
No its because women do all they can to ruin the lives of incels who have literally never done a thing to them compared to the jackass AbuseChads who crack open their skulls without a care in the world, more effort to get laws to oppress incels than actual violent evil psychotic men really makes you think doesnt it?

>>81936171
Women are the actual narcs. They have such a high opinion of themselves that they consider the vast majority of men to be subhuman and unworthy of even looking at them for too long, let alone approach them. Which is why they devise cruel humiliation rituals to punish those who do.

>>81936199
>Nobody cares unless you're a midget
So below 5'8 is what you're saying?

>>81936203
What was the interesting thread about?

>>81935912
>Most men are not even aware of the most basic hygiene rules.
Like that would change anything for most guys. My brother's mouth reeked for some years and that didn't stop him from getting dates/relationships.

>>81936171
This is a funny post because everything that was said about incels can be applied to women too.
Incels are narcissists and the reason women hate incels is because they remind them of themselves and their own cowardice.

>>81936222
Yeah this. Women are huge narcissists but they almost never get called out on it because they don't have to approach men and men in general don't care because they want to fuck them. A woman will only be faced with her narcissism when she is old and dry and her looks can't be her personality anymore

>>81936197
Yes, I literally have. When a narcissist feel put down, and thinks that someone else is better than them;
Do you know what they do?

They do what you're doing. they put them down and try to invalidate them.
This is exactly what happens when they're rejected. They think the other person "thinks they're better than me", and so what do they do?
They resort to petty attempts to "take them down a peg" to show that "I'm actually better than you".
Your understanding of narcissism is extremely shallow.
>>81936216
>to ruin the lives of incels
They're not ruining your life. You're doing that.
>>81936222
>They have such a high opinion of themselves
You think all women are represented by a tiny portion of women. Shallow. Get off the internet. The massive ego women you see on the internet are not representative of the whole of women.

>>81936274
>This is exactly what happens when they're rejected. They think the other person "thinks they're better than me", and so what do they do?
No they cant fathom that as they already see themselves as the top they see it as an insect refusing to get squished so they squish them to help them follow their role.

>>81936274
>tiny portion of women
Lmao. These days even a hambeast with three niglets will demand a Brad

>>81936274
What should I do when I get off the internet?

>>81936274
>You think all women are represented by a tiny portion of women. Shallow. Get off the internet. The massive ego women you see on the internet are not representative of the whole of women.
Imagine being so narcissistic that you religiously defend your fucking sex because you happen to be one of it, classic femoid debunking her own bullshit points and being too subhuman to realize it.

>>81936269
>Incels are narcissists and the reason women hate incels is because they remind them of themselves and their own cowardice.
This, hilariously enough. They hate us cause we're their living reflection.

>>81935847 (OP)
I don't know why i'm afraid of women. I only know that i am afraid of women. I literally freeze up around women, especially around women i find attractive, i basically go mute. Around guys? Life of the party. As soon as a woman steps into the room NOPE. I would literally rather get kicked in the head than approach a woman, even if she is giving me clear signals of attraction. Like i have had plenty of interactions like
>hey, you wanna go get something to drink with me
>NO SORRY I HAVE A PROJECT TO DO FOR UNI BYE BYE
Like i am generally a very relaxed, aloof guy, shooting the shit, people call me charming, but if i'm in a situation where i genuinely have a chance with a woman i find attractive my brain decides "okay it is time for PANIC MELTDOWN MODE, you are in LIFE THREATENING DANGER AND NEED TO GET OUT OF THIS SITUATION RIGHT NOW!!!!!". What the fuck is the purpose of my brain initiating a fight or flight response to an attractive woman asking me out for drinks?

And people say mentalcens don't exist. I am 6'4 and jacked yet i deliberately sabotage every cnance with women i get. At the gym i make sure to never so much as look at a woman, and between sets if a woman is near me i will walk away to the furthest possible point from her in the gym. I feel so pathetic and powerless, i do these things by instinct, not by choice. Like my mind and body get hijacked by someone whose #1 mission is to make the woman i am interacting with lose all interest ASAP

>>81936324
Survival instinct
Women are an existential threat and should be treated as such

>>81936324
you probably got molested

>>81936324
Your brain is protecting you from these succubi, Anon. You will become a powerful master of the arcane arts.

>>81936171
>disliking being viciously insulted and shamed just for asking a woman out makes you a narcissist.
kys

>>81936269
>can be applied to women too.
It can be applied to a very tiny portion of women. However, it can be applied to pretty much all incels.
Are there narcissistic women? Sure, absolutely. But they're a small portion of all women. These are your high body count tinder whores, the top earners on onlyfans, etc. They think because they fucked a 10/10 chad that makes them someone.
This is not most women.
Not even remotely close to it.
It's like 5% of women. If that.
>>81936288
If they think they're the best, and someone else says "no you're not the best, you're actually kinda shitty", what is their response?
They insult, demean and degrade the other person.

If a person thinks they're the best, and they think they're entitled to things. What is something they might say?
"I deserve a gf."
"No pussy no work"
Whoops, incels BTFO again. They're the epitome of entitled narcissists.
>>81936298
Internet whores can be ignored, anon. Most women are not like that. It's really not that difficult to find mid-20 year old virgins in the real world. It really is not difficult at all.
>>81936299
I don't fucking know, I'm not you. Go bowling, go hang out in the park, go to a movie theatre. Find a hobby. Go have fun somewhere. Go figure life out instead of hiding behind a computer monitor because you're scared of things going poorly.

>>81936362
Enough gaslighting, fuck off femoid shit

>>81936362
That's simply not helpful advice at all.

>>81936302
>Imagine being so narcissistic that you religiously defend your fucking sex
The projections are off the charts.
I'm a man you fucking spaz. I was born with a dick. I'm just not a retarded le black pillerino based lmao xDDD faggot like you.
Not everyone who disagrees with your retarded perspective is a woman. Re.Tard.
>>81936372
See above. Retard.
>>81936361
>Hey wanna go out?
>No thanks
>WTF YOU REJECTED ME THAT'S THE WORST INSULT TO MY EGO EVER
>YOU STUPID BITCH HOW COULD YOU DO THIS
>I'M THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD
>I DESERVE SEX
>YOU MUST HAVE SEX WITH ME BECAUSE I'M THE BEST!
Nope, you're right. Totally not a narcissist.

Ah incels are narcissist the kind of dudes who actually use women like cumrags as early as age 12 yes the fucking adult virgins are narcissistic this totally makes sense in my femoid mind

What happening here guys, the femoid is a subhuman animal who has no logic or reason so is basically trying to call incels "bad" but is too full of shit to admit it hates incels so makes up nonsense(uhhh uhhh they narcissistic) to justify it. Think of her saying narcissist like a 5 year old saying capricious over and over its just a stupid creature attempting to sound intelligent but meaning nothing.

>>81936398
>That entire greentext chain
You projecting from some jackass you dated or something whore?

>>81936398
>Im a man
A real man would never bother to declare his sex because hes not a manipulative slimeball like you foids fuck off, I can tell by way your typing your a 100 percent stupid female piece of shit!

>>81936388
>Go outside and do stuff
>"What the fuck that's not helpful at all!??!?!"
I'm not here to hold your hand, I'm not your mommy. Go figure shit out by yourself. Have you ever tried that?
Or does mommy have to hold your hand at every step of the way?
>>81936430
Nope that's every incel ever.

>>81935847 (OP)
White men are very high inhibition and neurotic unless they are chads or frat bros.
I've never seen a black or hispanic guy care or obsess about being labeled as "creepy" for saying hi to a woman.

>>81936398
Not all incels think like that Elliot Rodger caricature of yours, it's more like
>Intense mental debate about whether or not approaching is even worth it from a lifetime of rejection
>Already partially spilling spaghetti from fear and anxiety
>Hey wanna go out?
>Ew, go away creep
>Laughs with her group of harpies
>Incel loses even more hope
I guarantee you most incels are self-deprecating desperate dudes at their core, not fucking Patrick Bateman but without the looks or the money

>>81936349
>>81936333
Yeah yeah roflmao

>>81936342
That's the thing - i have never had a negative experience with a girl. Sure, some teasing and bullying when i was a kid, my father has been very passive and never really talked to me or given me any advice in life, and my mother is overbearing and smothering (i'm 22 and she still goes into a hysterical panic if i don't call her or tell her where i am multiple times a day) but none of those are valid causes. I read a lot of self-help books, but i still see absolutely no cause to my retardation. It's like it's an innate aspect of my character to be terrified of women. For as long as i can remember - and only women of my age. I can rizz up older women or dudes no problem, social butterfly, on the train, at a bus stop, etc.

>>81936437
>If you try to refute my claim that makes it true!
Retard alert.

>>81936324
For me, it was because my BPD sister psychologically belittled me when were growing up. The fact that my parents positioned her as the "responsible sibling" made her even more bratty and arrogant.

>>81936445
Ah yes every incel is a guy who has a grandiose view of himself, like the guys who constantly talk about commitign suicide right?
Hey subhuman did you know an inability to notice contradictions in something you write is a tell tale sign of mental retardation?

>>81936451
Mexican women and black women arent as high strung as white women, you dont even realize bro

>>81936451
Its because they made cold approaching normal in their cultures while whites and asians are giga cucks who respect women. Black women even bully Blackbots who dont have the guts to game a bitch.

>>81936451
Almost like they were taught that since birth and encouraged to avoid bothering women at all costs because our mere existence is a threat somehow.

>>81936451
>never seen a black or hispanic guy care or obsess about being labeled as "creepy" for saying hi to a woman
I have. Whatever weird effect modernization has on human beings is just effecting them slower. Everyone will be autistic in the future.

>>81936199
Women openly post memes about "when his height starts with 5", so I guess women must think ~66% of men are "midgets".

>>81936462
>Moronic simple response
Guaranteed foid

>>81936445
I've tried, it didn't work, and now I'm here. Do you not understand how this happens?

>>81935847 (OP)
They're not, women just reject them 99 times out of 100 and most lose the will to keep trying after a while.

>>81936504
No its because white and asian men have very low test so lack the instinct to dominate women unless they are Chad or a dark triad sociopath. As if any real man would give a shit about being a threat to women, white men are mentally ill to a whole new dimension.

>>81936463
I'm an only child. Though, thinking about it now, maybe it's the fact i skipped a grade in elementary school on top of starting a year earlier already, so i was always the smallest kid in class despite being a big kid for my age. All my classmates were always 1-2 years older than me.

Where are the ladies who would appreciate being approached by a fat balding dude who can't really hold a conversation and lives with his parents in his thirties?

Asking for a friend

>>81936563
They will come crawling out of the woodwork if your parents are rich and you inherit great amounts of charisma when they die

>>81936545
Fact check: White men consistently have higher t levels than non-white men

>>81936572
And if said parents are strictly middle-class?

>>81936451
Blacks and hispanics have a lower IQ.
They think less = which means they aren't as anxious about possible consequences of their actions.
Overthinking everything leads to being losing your virginity much later in life.

>>81936398
>>Hey wanna go out?
>>No thanks
You dumb fucker, the problem is that's not how they reject guys.

>>81936574
This is bullfuck as blacks and brown hit puberty earlier than white neoteneous sissies

>>81936457
>Not all incels
I will employ the incels favorite way of countering all arguments: NAXALT.
But, it's only ironic. It's a shitty way to dismiss an argument. (I'm explaining the joke.)
>whether or not approaching is even worth it from a lifetime of rejection
I'm very well aware of this. There are really only three choices. There isn't anything else.
1. You try and fail.
2. You try and succeed.
3. You don't try and still fail.

If you don't make the attempt, you're the one rejecting yourself and condemning yourself to a life of failure.
>self-deprecating desperate dudes at their core
This is narcissism at its core. Narcissists are NOT strong people emotionally. They're extremely weak, they're extremely fragile. Their feelings are hurt very easily. You can literally hurt their feelings by scoffing at them, or rolling your eyes at them. Because they take this as being put down.

Patrick Bateman is not a narcissist.
>>81936523
You've played a videogame before, right? I'm sure you have.
Ever play a game with a hard boss, like Dark Souls, or some Soulslike?
When you died on that boss, did you just stop? Or did you try it again? Did you fight that boss 20 or 30 or 50 times in a row until you beat it?
Or did you give up, uninstall the game and huff and puff in the corner about how the game is unfair?

Can you see the analogy?

>>81936585
Same thing but with poorfag women of lower quality

>>81936592
There are high IQ sociopaths who got laid early so its not an IQ thing its a disposition thing, whites are pussies thats all as they had this mindset long before dating apps fucking existed. All I saw approaching women in the 90s were blacks or mexicans, what the fuck is wrong with white men?

just imagine it

>>81936616
I need a guide on how to beat the boss.

>>81935879
Actually, women find 95% of men unattractive.

>>81936616
>Narcissists are NOT strong people emotionally. They're extremely weak, they're extremely fragile.
Narcissist arent even human they are more like an evil animal than a person so fuck off. Fragile? I guess the narc slicing your throat out for not kneeling to them is them being fragile to your stupid femoid ass. Hey listen foid go up to a ghetto black guy and say this shit to them and see what happens? Oh right you wont do that because you wont face reality with real narcissistic asshats and instead strawman incels with no crime records as them because your a piece of shit who cant simply say
>I HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU DO NOT MAKE MY VAGINA WET THAT IS ALL

congrats, you lost your virginity

>>81935847 (OP)
I "suffer" from Avoidant Personality Disorder.
I haven't spoken to a woman unless I absolutely had to in over 10 years, you get used to it after a while.

when i went to the bar girls told me they didn't know me. i was jacked. i use to work out everyday.

i asked a few girls out at work. one told me she has a boyfriend ( don't see her must of changed shifts) another one kind of told me you live with your parents. side note i got into a car accident in a wheelchair.

>>81936646
>I need to have my problems solved for me!
The solution to this problem is to start solving your own problems and to stop avoiding them. You don't NEED the guide, you want the guide because it's easy. And you've conditioned yourself to habitually take the easy route because you're afraid of failure. And you're afraid of failure because it makes you feel bad and humiliated about your ability, skills, and status, which brings up your feelings of inadequacy and feeling less than everyone else.
Until you actually challenge your own feelings you'll be stuck in this cycle forever, never getting what you want. Because there are no guidebooks to real life. There is no step-by-step process that always gets you a gf, or a job, or a car, or whatever you want in life.
>>81936664
>It's the narcissistic incel who accuses someone of strawmanning whilst they themselves are the one strawmanning.
I've seen this episode already.

>>81937027
>bar girls told me they didn't know me
Stop asking out random women like you're a chad trying to get a one night stand.

>>81937068
>just figure it out
I can't and you're not helpful, vapid abstractions do nothing for me.

>>81937110
Ignore the whore, they do this shit because they get off on selling false hope to "losers" for some reason. What are your physical stats? i need to know if its even possible for you to compete.

>>81937110
That's how life works anon. That's how every person ever has gone about it. There is no guidebook.
If you want something, you've got to go figure out how to get it. You have to go fail.
But you don't want to get there through failure, you want the success handed to you by someone else. You don't want to earn it.
And that's not how life works.

>>81937143
I know it's possible, I'm just incapable of socializing or holding a conversation and don't know how to fix it.

>>81937143
>Ignore the whore, they do this shit because they get off on selling false hope to "losers" for some reason.
Nice cult behavior. I'm sure there's a word for this behavior.
>Don't listen to that suppressive person trying to tell you the truth, listen to us, we have have your best interest in mind!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressive_person

>>81937143
Now she's mad that I ignored her, lol

My favorite thing about robot incels is how they prove themselves to be completely and utterly irrational.

>Do not approach women
>Man vs Bear
>it's all men
>believe all women
>masculinity is toxic
>it's womens turn
>equal wages
>Women better educated
>men still need to approach
>men have to pay for dates
>be emotionally available
>if you cry that's an ick (show emotion)
>"I want a man that earns more"
>protector
>provider
>6 feet, six figures, six pack abs
>he should cook, he should clean
>no fault divorce, even if she cheated
>50 percent of everything (equal wages)
>all men are predators
>men need to die in war
>men are clueless
>men are worthless

>>81937148
Unfortunately, the boomer heyday is long gone. If you fuck up nowadays, people will make sure to hold it against you so you'll stay failed. Just too much competition with too much at stake and to little to go around. Gotta protect what's mine.

>>81937332
We're slowly being driven mad because all of society is measurably rigged in favour of women, our love for women is largely unrequited and we've been exposed to them denigrating us our whole lives. We have no prospects, receive no love and respect and we're going to die alone, and it's women's fault.

>>81937422
You're being driven mad by yourselves. You've joined a cult of madness and you perpetuate it, maddening the people around you.
Incelism is a LITERAL cult.

>>81937468
>Incelism is a LITERAL cult.
The Cult of Truth

>>81935847 (OP)
The thing is, most men aren't scared, they have been told what they are doing is immoral and asked to stop, and they have.

It is one thing for women to laugh at someone they are rejecting, this is just a momentary social awkwardness. It is another to claim that man is a bad person, creepy, entitled, misogynists, oppressing women, bothering women, a monster, like a sex offender, like a pedophile. This changed the game. Women have been insisting on it for years and many of our favorite celebrities have been accused of being sexual predators. Every so often it makes news and we have stern reports telling us this person is a monster. We are constantly reminded women are disgusted by us and don't want us anywhere near them, especially if we find them attractive. What used to be something normal, for a man to find a woman attractive and ask her out, is now a grave sin.

You see it on /r9k/. One minute we are accused of being lazy and not going out more, the next we are told it is creepy for us to try to make friends and socialize or join a book club or something, in large part in the hopes of finding a gf. We are told to go outside, then we are told to go back inside, damned if we do, damned if we don't.

>>81937554
said every cult follower ever

>>81937591
This one is more correct than the feminist cult.

>>81937468
The fertility rates are falling, fewer men are getting into university and those who do are receiving no payoff for it, there is a 2:1 preference for women in corporate hiring, most homeowners are women, women are allowed and encouraged to self-segregate in every aspect of life. These are all statistical facts, just because we wouldn't know them if we weren't here doesn't make them less true.
As for the more anecdotal/subjective aspect, dating has become an unbearable uphill battle and we can freely see what women think about us online. If anything, it's impossible to escape.

>>81937636
>Women have more than me AND I HATE IT
Who the fuck cares what women have? Why is it relevant at all?
And beyond that, it's almost like it's a direct effect of men giving up. Gee who would have thought that! Men gave up and decided they're not going to participate in society, now women have more jobs and money and stuff in society! Geewilikers batman! The incels got mad and stopped working, now they can't afford houses?! You reap what you sow.

There used to be a saying "fuck bitches get money" when men had the balls to just go out and live for themselves. Don't need some stupid bitch to make yourself happy.
Now it's the other way around "fuck beta pussy males get money" and you're mad because the shoes on the other foot?
That's fucking hilarious. It's a complete inversion of what used to be normal. Men didn't need women at all, and now they're massive pussies who can't fend for themselves and need a woman to hold them by the hand to even consider getting a job.
PEAK CINEMA. You couldn't fucking write this movie script if you wanted to.

>>81937774
>Even referred to them as bitches
Good evening andrew tate

>>81937774
>We're starting to have more than moids AND I HATE IT

The funniest thinga bout this whole thing is that men with actual strong characters are even more valuable than they used to be, and this infuriates the weak incels even more.
We're in the real characterflation of it all. If you're a person of bad character, in the past you would be somewhat valuable. Now... Well, you're an incel.
>>81937818
>>81937838
>YOU'RE A WOMAN!
>YOU'RE ANDREW TATE!
Which is it? Am I a feminist woman or am I the woman hater Andrew Tate?

>>81937842
>Which is it?
Wannabe contrarian

the average woman doesn't find the average man attractive and the average man has the social skills to notice she doesn't want to be approached. It's that simple.

>>81937866
Lmao nice projection. Of course I'm going to speak out against the masses of unwashed sheep (you). You're the wannabe who has to conform to the ideas of everyone around you for safety of the herd mentality.

>>81935847 (OP)
women are scary and mean

>>81937910
>I'm so unique I differ from prevailing opinions!
Ok contrarian

Why are you faggots still engaging with the bad faith retard's bait? Embarrassing, this board's IQ has dropped sharply

>>81937774
The men who didn't give up face the same fate.
Men are actively excluded from the arts, immigrants are imported en masse to outcompete them for STEM jobs (and women are STILL given preference).
"Just man up" takes are meaningless when there's no opportunity for wealth or love. "REAL MEN" don't have magic powers that funnel things into their hands, the only men who can get what they want are boomers with legacy wealth and nepo babies with legacy networks. As for the rest of us, there is no hope. You can devote your entire life to courting women and still fail. You can work a full time job and never be able to own your own home. Your life will have no purpose and you will die alone and unfulfilled, knowing that previous generations and your peers of the opposite sex had everything you want handed to them on a silver platter.

>>81935964
>>81935847 (OP)
what do women even want to talk about with a man anyways?

Anytime you tell women your feelings, or even worse, statistically accuracy facts, your labeled an incel.
You just can't win, women have become delusional and the only way to get on their level is to be even more delusional.

>>81937982
>They're importing jeets because the quality of man here is so low!
>It's not my fault though!!
How can you not see this? You are literally and unironically proving my point. Western men have given up, therefore they're importing more men to cover the loss. Even the college graduates are giving up and not getting jobs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APo2p4-WXsc

>>81935847 (OP)
Mostly because I'm afraid of bothering them and getting recorded to be the next lolcow in some e-celeb faggots blog. Pretty much no point if you are a sub 6'0" sperg

>>81935847 (OP)
The answer is on this very board right now:
>>81937587

>>81935847 (OP)
because they know they are ugly, no man who knows he's a chad is ever scared of talking to women

sad but true

Thstes nothing I really stand to gain from talking to random women

>>81935847 (OP)
Im not scared, im just tired. Women bring nothing to my table but problems, unnecessary drama and retarded unrealistic demands. Ive had plenty of gfs and ive fucked plenty of people, but man, women really arent worth my time. Im 33 and if you get to fuck a 20 few something, at least they are cheerful and good looking, dating a millenial woman is just asking for problems, also totally not worth it, they are physically unappealing with their fatflaps, tattoos and bodymods, plus they are fucking unsufferable about politics and feminism, and even with that, they are hypocritical as fuck, like, they can call you a horrible fascist and tell you you are a bad person and they still suck your dick afterwards totally unprompted. Again, women are not worth my time. Funnily, the more you ignore a woman and the worse you treat them, the more they want your attention. They are literal children, nothing to be scared off, if it wasnt for daddy government protection they would be roaming the streets begging for money because they are absolutely useless and helpless about the most basic things besides their meme diplomas about random shit that contributes a net zero to society

>>81935847 (OP)
>Why are men scared to talk to women?
I'm scared of talking to anybody...?

Currently everybody is anxious. Idk what happened or why it's this way. Being scared of talking to the cashier at the store seem to be a normal experience nowadays.

Maybe it's the surveillance state that make people scared of getting out of their house. Or the new way of parenting that cuddle children and make them unable to develop their assertivness and confidence.

>>81936502
If I see a male approaching women the main thing I think about is that something awkward will happen and how embarrassing it is. You are correct, its really freakin weird that they have made saying hi to people seem awkward. Even Gen-X are able to say hi and even approach like its no big deal, I once had a Gen-X say hey just relax and open up a bit, my experience growing up at school is that there was always some nerd that the class was making fun of just for talking to people. I've even been guilty of someone just wanting to talk to me and I acted annoyed.
One possible reason is that families break up really early now, they move away really far away for jobs and school. Another possibility is that online dating might be the only place you can outright display interest, even in pubs they kick you out just on the word of a woman, consider that women love it when men fight over them.

>>81937391
I don't know about heyday, you just hooked with people from school or social clubs. If you didn't find a partner pretty early it would be really hard to find one say if you worked at the steel mill. Sometimes you see these old people that waited too long. A lot of my relatives even got married when still living with their parents, it must change a man to have women lining up only once they get rich after being rejected when young.

>>81937559
How harsh, people talking to you while in a public place.

>>81935847 (OP)
No need to talk what I don't own.
Maybe talking will be worth it when it's legal to squeeze out everything that the kikes of the gender got from me in return.
Fairly.

Oh wait, that's non consensually and a crime, unless they do it with men that they don't exempt from their standards.
I don't talk to gypsy nigger kikes of the genders unless it's cost effective or my property.

Men are shit, they're certainly not scared of chimping out online for some reason. They keep saying they are leaving women alone and it's another lie, like that one about how they can't be louder when suffering in silence.

>>81935847 (OP)
Probably from decades of women brow beating men, telling them they don't want men to approach them in public, combined with the very high chance if you do your pathetic first move will wind up as a viral social media post for the whole world to see and if you are employed likely getting your career destroyed as well. Also there's the fact that you will likely have fully functional robot waifus that can do chores in less than 5 years for 1 years salary

I dunno tho it's a mystery. Why don't men ask women out anymore?

>>81940285
Oh yea how could I forget that if you wind up marrying them they can legally take half of everything you own including your own children and pets silly me I don't know how I missed this

>>81940285
>>81940295
OH RIGHT I really am retarded I almost forgot that you don't even have to marry them, in some places if you so much as share the same place as them the state counts that as marriage! And the final kick in the balls is that despite all of this overwhelming evidence of blatant bias and prejudice you still have retards like >>81940132 crawling all over the place like cockroaches. Wow I'm really slipping up today.

Honestly the suffering and loneliness of modern women is one of the most enjoyable things to watch out of our lifetime next to the orange baboon running away with the keys to the earth. I hope women enjoy a perpetual future of cats, dogs, and getting filled with Chad's jizz like a two cent whore (but for free instead)

>>81940318
True, that's another one. This people with null net worth spreading fear about how all their assets might get randomly taken over by some woman.

>>81940343
It isn't even about 0 net worth now, it's forever up until the point of divorce. I was a 0 net worth loser now I have six figs saved up, if I married a roastie she'd get half for no reason, and anything I make in the future

>>81935864
>99% chance of failure
look at chad over here with a 1% success rate, fuck...

>>81935912
>Most men are not even aware of the most basic hygiene rules
>most men don't take showers and brush their teeth
The gaslighting here is unreal.

>>81935847 (OP)
their cunts stink

I mean I'd puke

i dont want to have my heart broken again
women have not been nice to me

Reminder to all male anons itt: Stop giving the femanons your attention. They feed off of the drama like parasites, and the attention only makes them stronger. Be the gigachad who doesn't give two shits and a fuck about the femanon's words, and simply walk away.
https://files.catbox.moe/eew135.mp4

>>81935847 (OP)
because they almost always say no and not even just a no. Often times it's some kind of rude way of doing it.

the idea of talking to random girls in a big society is so stupid because we're still wired to live and have sex in smaller communities where everyone knows each other and shares the same culture and traditions
trying to get to know so intimately someone that shares almost nothing in common with you and who you know nothing about is a wild challenge

>>81935847 (OP)
it's not fear it's simply being realistic and accepting the reality that it won't happen and even if through some miracle they didn't immediately reject me they would just dump me soon thereafter anyways

>>81941005
Kek is that you? Mister Mystery Man?

>>81941005
fuck off retard, if there is one thing I hate more than women it's retards from echo chambers like /r/incels and psyop agents like yourself

I'm not interested in some low IQ internet cult, literally all I want is a 1950s tradwife and a society and community that includes me and supports it, like literally all my ancestors even the lowliest medieval peasants, you represent more degenerate shit

>heh, cuck, you'll get divorce raped just die alone and go extinct
I'm aware of "divorcerape" you dumb fucking piece of shit, that's not the point, try actually thinking about my argument and see why you're wrong then kill yourself

>if you disagree with my side you agree with other [bad] side
just kill yourself, you people literally can't even think, you spent too long in the echo chamber, kys

New generation of men are pussy ass bitches that's why.

>>81941275
>literally all I want is a 1950s tradwife
Doesn't matter what YOU want if the foids don't wanna cooperate

>>81941275
>all i want is [high trust homogenous society that doesn't exist anymore and will never exist again]
Yeah, you and everyone else, pal. Like the guy above me said, it doesn't matter what YOU want, no midern woman apart from the few 1 in a million unicorns want to be tradwives like all your ancestors' wives were, nor have kids, especially not 3+

>>81935912
That says more about the men you date than it does about men

>>81941288
That includes you faggot.

>>81935912
You're from redditstead?

>>81935847 (OP)
You know that in that situation youre absolutely not supposed to talk to women. Thats how you get filmed on the internet and or kicked out of the bar.
Just finish your glass and leave
Also next time dont sit next to them

>>81936274
>youre doing that
Inam not the only filing complaints to hr or gossiping behind my back

>>81935847 (OP)
>Why are men scared to talk to women?
Because 25 years of sexual harassment training in high schools, colleges and universities and workplaces has told two generations of men not to approach women. So here we are. Men don't approach women anymore.

>>81941809
Why are you doxxing me Chud?

>>81935847 (OP)
Obviously not all men. But for others it's because of their lived experience. Women as a group don't want to interact with certain kinds of men, and that's fine. Those men aren't bad or immoral people because of it.

>>81942096
This. Every guy I see out with a woman in a big city is a conventionally attractive man. Anyone who isn't that has to keep their head down and can't so much as look at anyone else

>>81935847 (OP)
Because women have the power of the legal system on their side.

Idk why you guys are making it so complicated. It's because men have been told not to approach women and the metoo era. And I guess gen z being generally socially incompetent plays a role too.

>>81941101
Its how ALL nonhuman male primates breed so the stupid one is you.

>>81935847 (OP)
If a girl finds you attractive, SHE will talk to you , otherwise, she's not attracted to you and thus has no sexual desire to you so their is no purpose to approach women

>>81938040
>Western men have given up, therefore they're importing more men to cover the loss
So you admit that the jobs are being taken?

>>81942743
this, thats how i met all my girlfriends i ever had,
and thats even how i met my wife,

>>81941275
I am trying but it doesn't mean it's going to work. You're trying to fight against the tide.

>>81942290
>nonhuman male primates
anon their social lives arent nearly as complex and theyre not in the same predicament as we

>>81935912
>>81935939
>Ultimate cope from a failed abortion.
There's subreddits of women with fishy pussy or complaining about men that can't wipe their own ass but the women still date or marry.

>>81935847 (OP)
Because women don't find us attractive and we know it

>>81936203
cope harder. if you're crying about your engagement on 4chan you've got far bigger problems pal

>>81935847 (OP)
Girls are anxious cowards so approaches from strangers will be met with mostly defensive rejection, you need an indirect approach so she can see you're normal so she can relax that's why you need to be social OR that's popular people get easy dates cause these gals watch the content and feel he's ok.

IF you approach out of the blue it's stranger danger and you know it, you feel it you see it in her face.

>>81944461
Another way to get her to relax is to buy her drinks.

>>81943261
Females like manly men with good hygiene, the like to kiss and lick men, one was getting so horny she started to shove her tongue in my ear as I was slamming in her cunt

>>81936060
>Have you seen the average men?
So what you're saying is that graph and statistic is 100% true and men are right not to approach women
Thank you foid, remember that when you die alone surrounded by cats

>>81937348
kek gotta love it

>>81935847 (OP)
I don't want to make women uncomfortable.
I'm a short, bald, and a little chubby.
I don't speak to women unless spoken to.

>>81935847 (OP)
Harsh egotistical rejections, with harsh tone of voice that makes you feel like a villain/creep, worst part I'm not even a bad looking guy, I'm also 6'3... yeah I could only imagine for less then average guys

>>81944504
>little chubby
If you wanna fuck don't be gross

>>81935847 (OP)
I'm not scared of them when in a professional setting. I'm only scared of them when they're strangers to me. And after working among normie women for 2yrs and hearing the stuff they talk about to each other during breaks, I think fear is a very reasonable reaction to have.

>>81935912
tutored women in uni and none of them had a clean living space. dirty clothes all over the floor, unwashed dishes lying about, etc.
i had one girl do sessions in my dorm because she lived far away from campus. she entered (i had to tell her to take her shoes off) and said "whoa" because my room had like ten things in it and was vacuumed. most of my guy friends are like half an afternoon away from this or similar. for women it would be closer to a full weekend.
most people are fucking filthy but it feels like men tend closer to cleaner rooms, imo.

>>81944510
Stranger danger intruder solicitor scammer.
But if there's a chance to get them drunk do that right away.

>>81944526
and anecdotally, i've spoken to multiple janitors on campus who've said women's bathrooms are awful, had a few women who showered in the men's room because they were grossed out by the women's showers, and know there's no way in hell men would wreck the gender neutral bathrooms the way i've seen on campus.

>>81944523
Pussy
>>81944526
>>81944544

>CLEAN AND PURE!

>>81936616
>There are really only three choices. There isn't anything else.
>1. You try and fail.
>2. You try and succeed.
>3. You don't try and still fail.
You aren't considering costs of choices. Chasing women takes mental and financial recources, the lower man is on totem pole the more it costs him.
So variant
>3. You don't try and don't expend recources
Is minor win over variant
>1. You try expend recources and fail.
But fact that you consider men efforts free give curious peak into your mind.

>If you don't make the attempt, you're the one rejecting yourself
I have full rights to do so. Every day I see men better then me, if I was woman I wouldn't choose me myself. So yes I am rejecting myself and I don't see a reason why I shouldn't do so.

>>81944544
Do american univerisities really have janitors?, i guess if you pay tuiton you have to get something for the money

>>81937068
>You don't NEED the guide,
Laughable delusion.
People need guides for everything. Everything is over 9000 more effective with guides and using prior experience. It's basis of human society. Humans are taught and guided since toddler age, government believes every human needs nons stop 11 years of guieds stuffing into humans head before they can start as independent citizens. And here comes you saying it all not needed. Should we cancel school education then?

>>81944518
>If you wanna fuck don't be gross
I used to be very fat, progress was stagnant, I regained a bit, but I'm trying to get back on the right track.
Weight loss is hard when food is one of your only copes, when you live with someone who encourages you by bringing food they know you can't control yourself around.
But yes, you're right, and I am gross.

>>81944633
Yea but guides can be preconceptions and that makes it difficult to adapt to dynamic situations.

>>81944685
Start coping with drugs

>>81944685
>I used to be sad story... Weight loss is hard
Who gives a fuck?

>>81935847 (OP)
me on the left
drink was peak though

>>81935847 (OP)
I wouldn't say I'm afraid, I've just been there and done that. Women don't like me, apparently I have good looks because when I still had a lot of friends I would meet girls and stuff would happen but now that I'm alone I'm too autistic to impress them in the split second I have before they lose interest. Maybe someday I'll build myself up to what they want, until then though talking to women is just a waste of time. They don't want me where I'm at in my life right now, why bother?

>>81944691
Again should we cancel school education and let children to figure out their lives themselves?

>>81944810
Yea but dating is not that standardized.

>>81944697
Drugs are expensive, Anon.

>>81944816
ORLY?
Dating advices I hear have literally 1000 times less variance than scientific knowledge told during even high school cericulium.

>>81935847 (OP)
Don't interpret apathy as fear. Women are boring as they are only vehicles to grow children in.

>>81935862
>My mom beat me
I'm so sorry this happened to you, anon. I hate women a lot in part because I grew up with a nasty grandma. My mom lost custody of me when I was very little, and she would've been even nastier. My grandma seems to be a low-level narcissist. She would bully me growing up and never respected any boundaries or my privacy. There was constant rage with tons of yelling on a daily basis in the household because of her, and I still have some relatively minor issues with emotional regulation at the age of 25 because of the bullshit I went through growing up. My dad (my adoptive father who was married to my grandma) loved me very much and was aware that she was abusive and crazy, but couldn't afford moving out at the time.

>>81944461
>Girls are anxious cowards so approaches from strangers will be met with mostly defensive rejection
No, this is clearly wrong. Insulting and mocking someone isn't a fear response.

>>81944481
Chads who boast about their genetic luck on incel boards deserve to have their throats slashed open.

>>81935847 (OP)
not scared just not interested enough. not that my standards are too high just that someone standing in public doesn't really excite me. maybe if we're doing something together and i can glean some information about her, I'll try to get to know her, but i don't really seek that kind of interaction. I do get a kick out of how uncomfortable some foids get by my presence though lmao.

>>81935847 (OP)
I've approached one woman one time in my entire life thus far.

It was my wife in 2007 on the first day of college orientation. I autistically decided I would be different in college and approach women. This was before Tinder, so it was a different time. But yeah, she was a cute redhead enrolled in the computer program, so I felt I would like to be her friend at the very least. We just chatted a bit the first day I saw her and then said bye. The next day, I saw her again at the freshman orientation on the big central school lawn. I asked my new roommate to wingman for me, as she was in a group of 4-5 girls. He refused. I was autisitcally determined, so I went alone anyway. Introduced myself to the group, said hi to her specifically, and asked her for her phone number. She said sure, wrote it down for me, and then I said bye and walked away. Then that night, I texted her and asked if she would want to explore campus with me. We hung out daily and started dating like two weeks later. Turns out we were both khhv weirdos dating for the first time at 18, which is kinda nice.

We proceeded to basically live together throughout college and moved in with one another afterward. She was a NEET for nearly a decade before we had kids, but that's kinda fine, I made $$$ in tech. She's a SAHM, which is actually super nice if you've got the cash. It permits me to stay up late from time to time to socialize with gaming buddies. I don't like to play video games much until the kids are asleep. Cultivated a deep disrespect for bad fathers wow raiding during the day with their kids on the mic behind them.

You only gotta meet the right girl one time. But sometimes I worry I may have selected very easy at the character creation menu based on all the stories I hear y'all talking about on here.

>>81935847 (OP)
Im not afraid to talk to women. Women dont have anything to say that I want to hear

I ain't scurrd nigga, there just be nothina talkabout wit deez hoes no mor.

>>81935847 (OP)
>women dont want to be bothered by random men
>makes sense to me, I dont like being bothered by random people either Ill hold off unless a woman indicates interest
>why arent men approaching women anymore????????
If the girl shows interest the man is likely to follow. Maybe if he doesnt like you he wont.

>>81935847 (OP)
Its not a pleasant experience. Especially when theyre in groups. They have a way of imposing theur beliefs on you that sucks any potential enjoyment out of it since you have to throttle yourself in order to appease then. Men do not get enough credit for how open and easy we are to talk to in comparison.

>>81946139
>Turns out we were both khhv weirdos dating for the first time at 18, which is kinda nice.
>18
Anon, you are super lucky. When you're older, women expect you to have some money.

I'm 25, and have never gotten to the point of having sex with a girl besides a couple escorts back in 2018, so I'm virtually a virgin. I do receive NEETbucks and occasionally work for my dad at his job without pay, but I'm essentially unemployed. I can't work any normal 9 to 5 or A time to B time job due to my insomnia which I believe is at least mostly caused by OCD. I'm planning on going back to college this year for something like engineering or mathematics, but at the moment, I'm pretty fucked, and I graduated high school when I was 17.

I had my first kiss at 15 with a 24-year-old predator in 2015. She was probably a 6/10. We made out. We also held hands. I'm not sure if we hugged, but I was feeling her up. I turned 25 last month. I did lose my virginity at 18, but very regrettably so to an ugly escort. One or two days later, I had sex with a nicer escort who was short and a 4/10 to make up for the horrible experience. Her pussy was really tight, but I only had sex with her for around 5 minutes. I also met three girls on one occasion each for feet worship from the time I was 17, with the last time having been in November 2022. That's it. That's my entire sexual history. I blame covid for fucking up my life from March 2020 to January 2024. I was pretty much at home the entire time. I have interacted with women at the gym a few times since then, though.

I need to lose around 60 pounds of fat, and I should be somewhere around a 7 or 8/10 by that point, since I'm jacked since I started lifting in 2013. I've even been on steroids since August 31st, 2024. I hope to find a way to make more money in the future, but there is so much uncertainty at the moment. Thank you if you've read all this. I would actually send a small amount of bitcoin if you drop an address.