Thread 83044735

Why do female fetishes enrage the men here so much? I constantly see seething, mockery and insults when female-centered smut is discussed or the desire to be dominated, have a "daddy" or reading rapey mangas. It's always taken to the extreme immediately:

>I like being spanked and have my boyfriend grab my hair forcefully.
>OH SO YOU WANT TO GET ASSAULTED WITH FISTS BEATEN INTO A BLOODY PULP AND RAPED BY A PACK OF HORNY AND EVIL CHADS?

I noticed more normal or attractive men get turned on by the female fetishes and imagine doing that to their girlfriends but the men here just get enraged. Why?

>>83044735 (OP)
i dont think anyone rages at such girls. men largely rage at mudsharks
i dont think men care, theyre into it or are indifferent about it

>>83044735 (OP)
https://rumble.com/v707nms-the-smut-epidemic.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_v

>>83044735 (OP)
>>OH SO YOU WANT TO GET ASSAULTED WITH FISTS BEATEN INTO A BLOODY PULP AND RAPED BY A PACK OF HORNY AND EVIL CHADS?
hey you asked

>why do you guys get enraged at me for talking about my sexual preferences in the place where none of my kin ever bothered to touch you?
fuck off foid
>>I like being spanked and have my boyfriend grab my hair forcefully.
>>OH SO YOU WANT TO GET ASSAULTED WITH FISTS BEATEN INTO A BLOODY PULP AND RAPED BY A PACK OF HORNY AND EVIL CHADS?
yes. yes you do. don't come to me with some gay jew bullshit about "keeping it in the bedroom". fetishes are for sick people anyways

>>83044735 (OP)
why shouldnt men be angry when they realize that even femcels and fembots want abusechad and bbc thugs to choke them while calling them worthless whores. its sick, women are shameless and unfit for romantic companionship. this daddy stuff is especially cringe to me, if i ever get a gf and she asks me to call her daddy im going to kick her out of the house naked

>>83044763
this is why no one loves u and u spend ur life crying on this indonesian basket weaving image board

>>83044783
Why are moids so retarded and can only think black/white. One big part of BDSM or rough sex/domination is aftercare and trust. It's fundamental. Even most smuts, mangas and stories don't just have a guy rape women or some dumb shit. There is almost always an element of trust, love and desire. What's abusive about two consenting adults having sex? Lmao.

>>83044735 (OP)
i think its cause a lot of men don't have domination in them and it makes them bitter? cuz my bf was just turned on and happy when i told him about my fantasies and eager to play with me

the lead in the OP is badass though. This doesn't apply to her

>>83044735 (OP)
>>83044794
>>83044810
your sexuality disgusts me and you should stop expressing it and preferably start acting like an anime girl who is inexplicably attracted to the most boring manlet imaginable

>>83044735 (OP)
It's simple, innate female nature is pretty disgusting and facing it in adulthood breaks the blue-pilled notions that are instilled in young men since early age

Now, I don't blame women for being what they are, I blame society in general (including both men and women) for trying to mask reality

>>83044817
>badass women can't be sexually dominated
Uhhh..

>>83044794
>completely refute her (if it's one even) sexual morality
>resorts to celibacy shaming
women will do women, i hope an ugly indian rapes you and i hope you orgasm out of it so you have to live with the shame of achieving ecstasy thanks to an inferior, that's one of their mortal fears

>>83044846
Climax from rape unless heavy clit stimulation is mostly a meme. It's not statistically common aside from some "trust me bro" posts on 4chan and reddit.

>>83044735 (OP)
It's schizophrenic.
>Treat me with the highest dignity or you're misogynist!
>Treat me like a worthless cocksleeve or I'll cuck you for someone who does!

It's honestly, it's not that confusing once you learn female nature, but the MSM lied about female nature for so long that men are experiencing cognitive dissonance, taught to think girls are one thing but learning by experience that they're entirely another way.

It's like a respected teacher who says that it's safe to put your finger in a light socket and you do it and get a shock. The shock isn't a big deal, it's the added layer of confusion and betrayal.

>>83044862
what matters is the intention, i still hope that happens and she starts considering suicide out of complete and utter humiliation

>>83044872
>this picture destroys the moids mind as he can't comprehend it

>>83044886
homestuck is for trannies, you're a tranny

>>83044886
Not the person you replied to, but it's really not difficult to comprehend. It's simply that you are NOT taught about the former as a man growing up at ALL. You are taught only to be loving and kind and sweet, and any impulse towards the former (which a lot of women like and appreciate) is stamped out of you time, and time, and time again. Your sexuality as a man is vilified until you're forced to become a sexless being because that's what you were taught women like. They don't want a guy who's just after sex, no (this is true, but again, its not the full story). So you approach and you chase, and your sexless vibe is seen as unsexy. No woman gives you the time of day. Then you learn that no, women don't want you to be JUST kind and loving, they want you to be dominating, they want you to behave the way your impulses you had as a horny teenager would've compelled you to act. Now, from this point you can either sperg out like a retard and hate women and society for this, or you can adapt to the game and play (which further splits into andrew tate levels of weirdo or just being a normal person who tries to up their charisma). I personally think its fucked up that men are shamed out of expressing their sexuality (in a way that most women would like btw!), but I'm not going to kvetch about it endlessly on a mongolian basket weaving forum. Simply gotta learn to do what I missed out on and nurture those dominating instincts I had beaten out of me as an adolescent.

>>83044934
Bro please stop. Boys bully little girls all the time, tease them, rough them up. I don't know in what "delulu" world you live in where men treat women like delicate flowers.

I was even in physical fights with boys growing up.

>>83044934
Yeah, but if you indulge them then you give them tools to put you into jail whenever they feel like bailing out of the relationship, see "he's always abused me!"

>>83044934
Okay, you made good points overall though.

>I personally think its fucked up that men are shamed out of expressing their sexuality (in a way that most women would like btw!), but I'm not going to kvetch about it endlessly on a mongolian basket weaving forum. Simply gotta learn to do what I missed out on and nurture those dominating instincts I had beaten out of me as an adolescent.

>>83044954
This is such a retarded meme.

>women asks to be choked
>man does it
>IM GOING TO THE POLICE NOW!!!

Things that don't happen 99% of the time.

>>83044931
I didn't even know what the picture is from unlike you. Interesting. I guess the troon told on himself here?

>>83044950
How many of these were before puberty? Fucking dumbass. This doesn't apply before the age of like 10 for obvious reasons you dishonest hack

>>83044958
>>Things that don't happen 99% of the time.
They do happen, and even if it were only the 1% (it's higher) that's still way too much risk when the entire legal and social apparatus favors women

>>83044970
you're just saying complete bullshit now dumb bitch, consider suicide

>>83044972
It wasn't just before puberty retard.

>>83044735 (OP)
Females talk so much about equality but then hate equality in romance and sex and instead want the bullshit gender roles and sexualized violence they otherwise criticize. The inconsistency is understandably enraging

>>83044886
>foids don't realize the left is how we really feel about her and the right is just an act to throw off the scent and keep the pussy train rolling

>>83044987
Ok and men also murder women all the time, does this mean because of the % of men who murder their girlfriends that all women should never touch men again?

>>83044735 (OP)
>Why do female fetishes enrage the men here so much?
for me it isn't even about the dom/sub stuff, it's just about the unequal division of emotional labor in the relationship

just reverse the genders and see how it makes you feel
Imagine if the sexuality of 99+% of men revolved around you, the woman, going through a bunch of effort to please them by doing a bunch of dom stuff, all while they just lay there and do nothing. And also imagine if men weren't even all that attracted to the female body, and just viewed the female body as a tool for getting off
and now also imagine if men basically never got spontaneously horny, and you had to invest significant time and energy into turning them on every time you want to have sex

how would a world like that make you feel? Would you feel like men were contributing fairly to sex?
or would you feel like you're doing all the work and that men are being selfish

>>83045004
>does this mean because of the % of men who murder their girlfriends that all women should never touch men again?
They should select less aggressive men (they won't) so this aggression trait is weeded out, since they control reproduction

Sadly, due to the current state of things we're headed into 70 IQ tribal warfare

>>83045022
Men of all kind murder or try to murder their girlfriends. Smart men, dumb men, strong men, weak men, gentle men, monkey men. It has happens everywhere and will never stop. Still you wouldn't tell women to never touch men again.

>>83045013
I think the point is that if someone is a real dom then doing dom stuff nourishes them. Only if you pretend then yes it's a job.

>>83044735 (OP)
Because you're two-faced, lying cunts about it. We get told all through childhood and adolescence to be kind and respectful to women by our teachers, mothers, and media, and then you reserve your sexual attraction for men who ignored everything that was drilled into them (or who had fathers that knew the game) and were domineering and unkind. You couldn't be honest with us when we ask girls out and they deny us, then we ask for honest feedback. By the time we're adults our habits are ingrained in us and some of us may still never figure out what the problem is. So yes, we hate your "fetishes" because every woman has them and we were told to go the opposite way by you retards.

>>83045050
>Men of all kind murder or try to murder their girlfriends.
No, not really, it's overwhelmingly low-impulse control, who also are the ones that get laid the most since women respond favorably to this trait in men.

Harmless men get rewarded with porn at home.

Women are also very violent creatures, it's just that they can't exert much physical violence, so their violence is mostly social and psychological.

>>83045069
You SHOULD be kind and respectful to people. Bed room stuff is completely different than day to day stuff you weirdo. As a woman you are also not told growing up to deepthroat an ERECT COCK and swallow cum down and yet many do happily during sex.

>>83045074
I mean that's your head canon. You see docus and stories all the time of chill men flipping out and killing their whole family and even the relatives or surviving woman/kids being shocked.

>>83045093
>I mean that's your head canon.
It's not my head canon at all, lmao, it's the objective, observable reality when dealing with women no matter where in the world. It's so prevalent that it transcends race and culture.

And you know your nature, deep down, you're just shit testing.

>>83044735 (OP)
because women talk all the time about wanting to be respected and equal to men
and then all their porn is about being choked and dominated by men

someone post that comic about the girl with blue hair being called a slut and liking it
you know which one i mean

>>83045118
I'm a low impulse retard (female) and my first and only boyfriend is the chillest creature I know. He has never even raised his voice at me and actually leans a bit into the feminine from his appearance and soft voice. But sexually he is 100% masculine and has zero onions-sub-sissy leanings which makes him very attractive to me.

>>83045128
So you can't respect your girlfriend if she gets on her knees and deepthroats your dick like she's a porn whore and then swallows the semen? Men seem to feel that is just fine. Odd!

>>83045147
i don't want a girl to get on her knees and deepthroat me
when did i say i wanted that?
you made it up

>>83045155
Most men sexually desire this. If you wouldn't want oral from a girlfriend you'd be the exception.

>>83045139
>sexually he is 100% masculine and has zero onions-sub-sissy leanings which makes him very attractive to me
omds all of you are exactly the same

>>83045165
But dominant women exist, they are just rare.

>>83044735 (OP)
You said it yourself, they dont hate 'female fetish', they hate the rape fetish.

The answer is always simpler than you believe, We should talk about how women love to bring patriarchy for every single social issue.

Women love some gender war

>>83045164
you're so disingenuous
oral sex =/= "deepthroat like a porn whore"
oral sex is not equivalent to choking and dominating a woman

>>83045093
Im >>83044934 , not the person you replied to.
You're missing his point, bitter and incoherent as he is. The point is that men are raised to be sexless and be ashamed of their sexuality. This is, to no one's surprise (besides kids and autists) incredibly unattractive. Yes, you should be kind to people in the day to day, but any socially astute person can SMELL sexual naivete. Generally people want people who own their sexuality. It generally works out that men's sexuality leans towards dominant and women's towards sub (not a controversial take either, I hope). The cognitive dissonance and rage happens when the dominance that men would've otherwise developed in their teenage years just doesn't manifest due to societal conditioning. At the same time, societal conditioning (call it patriarchy in this case I guess) does not let women's sexuality be discussed much, in either a positive or negative light. So boys growing up are taught to repress their natural proclivity towards sexual dominance (which can be taught in a healthy way), while also simultaneously denied the knowledge of women's sexuality, when in reality the two sexualities compliment each other. It feels like a deceit on two fronts once they come to learn about it in adulthood - their sexuality was repressed, and they never even got to learn the truth about what women actually like in the bedroom (refer to above about sexual naivete).

>>83045177
>I would have oral sex with my woman but she would never swallow or deep throat! That is too icky!

Ok senpai.

>>83044845
I don't really remember since it's been a while that I've read that but even though she gets "dominanted" she doesn't get humiliated or treated like >>83044886

>>83045180
I don't get this. The first step of domination would be seduction, being assertive, teasing. I have not seen men for the most part being demonized for that growing up. A guy approaching a girl in class or bullying her with charm, who told him to stop if it didn't cross the line? Sexual domination doesn't mean or start with choking or crazy stuff that is just the natural progression of being assertive.

>>83045013
(2/2)
it's also kind of frustrating that some form of maledom is seemingly the only sexual dynamic available to straight men
if you're a gay man, you can be a twink, a bear, or fit into any number of other archetypes/dynamics, and you'll be able to find a partner that is into you and the dynamic that you're looking for
but as a straight guy, maledom is your only option, simply because there are prohibitively few women that are into literally any other sexual dynamic. Even women that are into egalitarian sexual dynamics are very, very rare. And if you're a sub guy, you can just forget it. Actual dom women (not sellers) are functionally nonexistent

>I think the point is that if someone is a real dom then doing dom stuff nourishes them
yeah, and my point is that not all men are "real doms", and that these men are basically shit out of luck when it comes to forming relationships with women. And it isn't just extreme male subs that this applies to. Being even moderately less dominant than one of your manhua dard triad chads significantly hurts your chances with women

imagine if men as a group were exclusively attracted to women with red hair (or whatever hair color you don't have). I don't mean most men prefer redheads, I mean women with any other hair color are viewed as sexless, as not even women. Would that not kind of make you mad? Like, really? There's ZERO market for me? I'm just nobody's type? Because of natural variation that I can't control?
it's like that but 100 times worse, because the thing being rejected is my actual personality, not some arbitrary physical trait

that's why guys are mad. Like what would you even say to the (many, many) men that aren't "real doms"? What would be your advice to them?

>>83045191
i don't know what you're talking about
you said "deepthroat like a porn whore" and i said i don't want that
i want to have sex with a woman without demeaning her
but woman want to be demeaned
it's gross

>>83045217
So you wouldn't want your wife to deepthroat or swallow ever because that would be demeaning to her.

>>83045212
Well it's just that women happened to be the twinks of the genders.
If you couldn't force a gay bottom into dominance then you can't do that to women either

>>83045225
are you retarded?
you said "deepthroat like a porn whore"
why do you keep ignoring that
you keep saying things that i didn't say

>>83045212
>yeah, and my point is that not all men are "real doms", and that these men are basically shit out of luck when it comes to forming relationships with women. And it isn't just extreme male subs that this applies to. Being even moderately less dominant than one of your manhua dard triad chads significantly hurts your chances with women

But the average woman is married to the average guy. Even if women can have the IDEAL type of the "dark triad manhua chad" in their mind that doesn't mean they need that to be happy. Do men get their ideal type in relationships or marriages? Most of the time they don't either and they seem to do okay.

>>83045237
Deepthroat by itself is a "porn whore" act... You can't deepthroat like a classy lady. The very act of having a dick down your throat like an object and having it shoot CUM into your stomach is not uplifting and empowering unless you're a kinky freak.

>>83045060
I forgot to (You) you
I'm >>83045013 and >>83045212

>>83045247
okay?
she doesn't need to do that then
i don't want to humiliate a woman
but that's what they seem to want

>>83045212
You know how statistics show that most men find women between 16-22 the hottest and then it goes down? How even 60 year old men want a 20 year old girlfriend-kinda thing? So ultimately most men never have their ideal woman in a marriage because she ages and one day she's 50 and not a cute teen anymore. At least a man CAN be dom. A woman can not stay young forever. So most women can never stay most man's ideal type either.

>>83045207
>I don't get this. The first step of domination would be seduction, being assertive, teasing. I have not seen men for the most part being demonized for that growing up.

Those are the guys with father figures, I suppose. Percentage wise, how many guys do you see be that socially domineering? Few, I imagine.
I imagine many, many men on here can relate to the societal conditioning of "leave girls alone, they don't want to be hit on, they're there to learn (if at school), or they're just enjoying their time outside, etc." Being socially domineering is discouraged in black-and-white ways, with no nuance because kids are treated as dumbasses who cannot fathom nuance. Imagine that drilled into your head since day fucking one. You're taught to be kind, you're taught to be respectable and pleasant, but you're never taught to seize social interaction with your own wits. It just kind of... happens for a lot of men raised by their mothers exclusively. Also to autists because they lack social skills. So yes, domination is not just in the bedroom, but the lack of that domineering attitude similarly extends outside of just sexuality for the men I've been talking about.

>>83045263
Good to know that you don't want any swallowing or deepthroating, only respectable shallow blowjobs and love.

>>83044735 (OP)
I don't hate women's sexuality, I just think it'd be difficult for me to be dominant when I have medical premature ejaculation. I had sex with a prostitute once and she coughed back a laugh when I finished in like a minute. The others at least had the decency to not react.

>>83045278
what point are you trying to make?
i know i'm an outlier and most women wouldn't like my perspective

>>83045278
I like male assertiveness but these stuff are exaggerated and truly degrading and can only be done by a man out of spite

>>83045234
everything you're saying is true, but it doesn't change the fact that the dating pool of straight men has far less diversity than that of any other sexuality+gender. The variability hypothesis wins again I guess

>>83045238
the average man isn't just imperfect, he's completely insufficient, sexually. This is evidenced by the epidemic of dead bedrooms you can see today
>Do men get their ideal type in relationships or marriages?
no, but the average married man is significantly more attracted to his wife than she is to him, and this causes issues, both at the personal level and at the societal level

>>83045265
most men will probably find a 35 year old woman less attractive than a 25 year old woman, but she's still viewed as a woman, as a sexual being
a submissive or even neutral man is viewed as a sexless eunuch by the vast majority of women

>>83044735 (OP)
It enrages only feminine males. And those don't matter anyway bc they all troon out sooner or later lmao.

>>83044735 (OP)
my bf likes my sexuality so idk i think it's just a bitter incel thing

>>83045265
also
>At least a man CAN be dom
whatever happened to "just be yourself"?
you have no idea how disgusting it feels to have to change your personality in order to appeal to the opposite sex. I'm saying this as a guy that has put on a dominant act and gotten attention from women as a result. It feels gross
having to change your appearance in order to get attention (something I've also done), feels far less degrading

>>83044735 (OP)
Women are pretty disgusted by any male fetishi that isn't just being the man in their masochist fetishises

>>83044735 (OP)
Why is my incel sub board full of troons and female anyway

>>83044735 (OP)
okay so its because men here are generally incels, being rejected and feeling not wanted by women makes the steer to more submissive tendencies so the are actually the ones who want to be raped and they are mad that thats only a girl thing and that makes them faggots for wanting it

>>83045212
trvke.
As a male sub (no I'm not a sissy, femboy or whatever caricature people usually imagine when reading those words) and I've met one (1) genuine dom woman in my entire life and she was very out there in terms of sexuality, certainly far from the norm. They do exist but they're so incredibly incredibly rare, even playing the lottery ought to have better chances if you also factor in that most won't even be attracted to you.
The idea of larping as a dom is almost as off-putting to me as imagining myself in a same sex relationship (as a straight guy), I can't really "correct" my sexuality to be more in line with what almost all women want.

In terms of how it relates to the original question. I obviously don't really like to be reminded of the fact that my sexuality essentially excludes me from intimacy, so the prevalence of stereotypical abuse chads in essentially all forms of media written by or aimed at women is just rather tiring. It doesn't make me filled with rage but rather with contempt, and once you notice the pattern it's very hard to ignore.

>>83045677
Honestly submissive men should just be castrated, they might as well become eunuchs because they're so useless. Or just cull submissive males/trannies and make the world a better place without all their bitterness and uselessness.

>>83044735 (OP)
weak, submissive, and lonely men hate it
women want men who are confident and dominant. Women want men who will tell them they're wrong to their face.
it's like that picture from a few days ago where the woman says she doesn't want a cheeseburger and she'll have a bite of his, and he buys her a cheeseburger anyway because that's what she wanted. She wants him to be her rock so that she has the freedom to be emotional and weak and do silly things.
this enrages weak and submissive men because really they want these things, they envy the woman's freedom to be weak and to still be desirable.

>>83045677
yep, you get it. The funny thing is, I'm not even a submissive guy. I'm a completely neutral egalitarian, yet we have the same struggles. It's like the chad-only thing, but instead it's dom-only lol

>>83045692
non-dominant men are responsible for virtually all art, science, engineering, etc.
there's something about getting literally 0 attention from women that makes intellectual pursuits seem appealing

>>83045717
>this enrages weak and submissive men because really they want these things, they envy the woman's freedom to be weak and to still be desirable.
yeah, I absolutely do want the freedom to be weak sometimes and I'm not sure why this is framed as a bad thing
I'm a person. Sometimes I'm strong, sometimes I'm weak. It would be nice if my sexual appeal didn't hinge on me maintaining some kind of stoic terminator act

>>83044735 (OP)
for me personally it was because i was trans and in denial, and women's ability to just be subby and cute and still be desirable made me super jealous and depressed because i felt like i had no shot at experiencing romance/sex because of some immutable psychological characteristics i have and women just got to have it all. spoiler alert this is not a normal way for a "male" to fucking think hahahahaha

and well, i actually get to experience sex and romance irl now which is cool. if i didnt transition i would have spent my life on meaningless escapism, seething, and eventually been in one of those "im a 35 year old loser virgin with no friends" vlogs you see on youtube here and there but im actually happier than ever now. i also think estrogen made me physically incapable of feeling angry idk

>>83045717
>this enrages weak and submissive men because really they want these things, they envy the woman's freedom to be weak and to still be desirable.
ohhh
truth nuke

>>83045765
>non-dominant men are responsible for virtually all art, science, engineering, etc.
You mean the things that every other person puts 0 thought or effort into? The things people want to have AI do for them and wouldn't care as long as it shows marginal results?
I'm genuinely sorry, anon. I wish the world was better for you, because a world kinder to you is a better world overall. But we live in this shithole, and this shithole never asked for any of us.

>>83045765
>non-dominant men are responsible for virtually all art, science, engineering, etc.
my bf is a sensual, gentle artist since childhood making a living out of paintings and is extremely dominant in bed though i don't think your sexual preference dictates your talents or personality

>>83046105
>"ugh anonnn mwah mwah this world never asked for us~" you goofy ass gaycel lol omfg

>>83046105
That's a little too blackpilled. While not for everybody (you kinda have to roll the right kind of autism), academia is genuinely one of the more welcoming places for awkward spergs and one of the more prominent reasons why unemployment stats for educated male autists isn't straight up 100%.

>>83045717
the frustration comes from being told that women don't want this and that men should always respect women

Anybody have an example of femdom smut of any kind written/illustrated by a woman that DOES NOT turn into maledom halfway through.

I remember some goonette introduced me to a manga about shibari and it started out as cute gentle femdom but apparently the female author couldn't help herself after a couple of chapters and turned it into some domination loss cuck rape abuse chad shit

the hate for submissive men is normie tier not even on 4chan can we escape hate and its normie tier for women to be into dominant men thats why people are seething

>>83044735 (OP)
It isn't that they hate the fetishes you idiot. They hate that YOU are a bad person, and you bring no joy with you wherever you go, and they are bullying you with your private fetishes because you're a bitch.

I swear to god men and women could actually be friends very easily if women weren't such insufferable, dogshit friends all the time.

>>83044735 (OP)
It's literally the other way around. Men get way more backlash for finding 18-year-olds hot than women do for bestiality-rape fantasies, and there are actual activist groups and legislation seeking to stamp out male sexuality.