Thread 16730762

so what would first contact actually look like?

>>16730762 (OP)
Well imagine if we made first contact.
It would probably be a lot like the colonization of the Americas. No shit we wouldn't just start openly genocide whatever sentient species lives there but extracting whatever utility we can out of them is going to take priority over amicable relations.

>>16730792
there is 0 use in exploiting less technologically advanced species as a space faring civilization
think about it, if you can travel space then you can just go mine an asteroid for resources or whatever; its not at all like on earth where theres finite resources
exploiting a less technologically advanced civilization in another star system would be like walking across a continent to go and extort one specific homeless guy for his pocket lint

>>16730791
why would it just blow up

>>16730797
Yeah, mineral extraction would be irrelevant. But land would be a big one. Assuming this planet is hospitable to us, we'd set up colonies. I could easily see us selling land rights to Dole or some shit because subjugating natives is a hell of a lot easier than terraforming a planet.

>>16730762 (OP)
>so what would first contact actually look like?
https://starshiptroopers.fandom.com/wiki/Meteor_Attack_on_Buenos_Aires

>>16730762 (OP)
We would see a all of earth's water being sucked up into the atmosphere, disappearing into an invisible and incomprehensibly large space craft. Afterwards, it would disembark leaving us on a dry, doomed desert planet.

No war, no invasion, just a vastly superior species taking a valuable, natural resource not caring about the "primitive" life forms it destroys in the process.

>>16730822
Water's one of the most abundant molecules in the universe. Just fly over to a planetary nebula and you'll find more water than all of the Earth's oceans combined being produced every second.

>>16730762 (OP)

Two distinct options:

>Von Neumann probe eating some of our asteroids
>relativistic shrapnel

Wait, are we still talking about ayys here even ...

>>16730762 (OP)

Alien Viruses/AI infecting our Internet first.

>>16730762 (OP)
Probably a lot of rape.

>>16730762 (OP)

The first contact would likely come from electromagnetic waves, likely from their own version of the internet. They will infect our own web with devious AIs an material to corrupt us to their own ends.

>>16730762 (OP)
When someone finally transcends the status of mere human, they will thus be the next stage in evolution.
>A non-Human alien of sorts.

>>16730811
Ummmm sweaty that was just a false flag by the fascist earth government.

Consider what happens when humans discover a new species.

>>16730762 (OP)
The planet suddenly being reconstituted into an entity that uses space-time for processing and expands at the speed of like

>>16731084
lol thank god space is big as fuck or we will be screwed, the whole universe only favors the strong and mighty, not the weak and pitiful

jenny is made for alien horse cock

>>16731084
>science is snake oil
>and also turtle oil and octopus oil

>>16730791
No need to waste energy blowing it up. It'd suffice to just incinerate the crust's upper layer

>>16730762 (OP)
The aliens would either be invading and it wouldn't have to make sense (lasers and bullet resistant body suits that weigh like 1kg vs guns and armor that doesn't stop lasers and weighs multiple kilos) or they have already infiltrated us and are undermining us.

>>16730797
so the same thing you did to blacks?

>>16730762 (OP)

If they had a Dyson Sphere, sending just a billion soldiers would be like a modern country sending a single squad to a warzone.

>>16730762 (OP)
>so what would first contact actually look like?
>In the morning of April 14, 1561, at daybreak, between 4 and 5 a.m., a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun, and then this was seen in Nuremberg in the city, before the gates and in the country – by many men and women. At first there appeared in the middle of the sun two blood-red semi-circular arcs, just like the moon in its last quarter. And in the sun, above and below and on both sides, the color was blood, there stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black ferrous color. Likewise there stood on both sides and as a torus about the sun such blood-red ones and other balls in large number, about three in a line and four in a square, also some alone. In between these globes there were visible a few blood-red crosses, between which there were blood-red strips, becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable like the rods of reed-grass, which were intermingled, among them two big rods, one on the right, the other to the left, and within the small and big rods there were three, also four and more globes. These all started to fight among themselves, so that the globes, which were first in the sun, flew out to the ones standing on both sides, thereafter, the globes standing outside the sun, in the small and large rods, flew into the sun. Besides the globes flew back and forth among themselves and fought vehemently with each other for over an hour. And when the conflict in and again out of the sun was most intense, they became fatigued to such an extent that they all, as said above, fell from the sun down upon the earth 'as if they all burned' and they then wasted away on the earth with immense smoke. After all this there was something like a black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west. - Hanns Glaser, letter-painter of Nurnberg.

>>16730797
>there is 0 use in exploiting less technologically advanced species as a space faring civilization
cat girls.

>>16730762 (OP)

Depends on the nature of the Alien, remember , the xenomorph is technically a weird goo / spore fungusy thing , if its like a tardigrade thing and just rides a rock to earth and tears shit up - thats just nature.

Realistically if these things were truly intelligent and evil, they would let things just run their course and put our planet on the watch list. Why interfere at all when simply by observing you can see they have successfully triggered climate doom spirals , built their economies around a system that sets itself up for revolution and chaos, etc. they can STILL simply mind control our elites to create the most chaos possible by simply PROMISING higher technology/god-like power - thats how fucking nimrod ape-like dipshits we are. And all it takes is letting off our nukes and glassing our planet and making quick work of it.

They goin like "hah! they actually fell for it!"

Also , if they are that intelligent to get here , what do we even have they they want? They figured out light travel but they can't figure out asteroid mining or synthesizing elements?

If they actually came here it would be for benevolent reasons from their perspective at least. I haven't read 3 body problem but I saw the show a little - there was a scene between the cult leader and the san-ti where he explained lying was and the aliens cut off all communication.

That was actually very clever and I believe that, because an alien race that intelligent likely only made it that far by working cooperatively and leaving their lesser demons behind such as Lying/playing games/ NOT acting as a HIVE to further the aim of their people.

>>16731588

This actually kinda leads me down a darker theory that Angels / Demons that we've built up in our lore are actually in fact aliens that use US as a playground in the material world cause they are just so far beyond all this earth/universe shit.

We are like a vacation spot when "demons" a type of alien just wanna get their rocks off and use us as vessels in our psyche , and "angels" /our good psyche helping us purely out of pity. Spiritual sages being the end result of the good angels and helping a few souls ascend to their level.

Are we even real, are we even an identity/soul or carry meaning? Or are we merely electrical bodies for various psychic entities to duke it out?

>>16731547
This is one of the few historic accounts I find compelling. What the fuck could they possibly be describing?
The "explanations" I've seen are some babble about group hallucinations and political euphemism. Nothing convincing, felt more like off-the-cuff bullshitting.

>>16731599
>>16731547
swamp gas, sun dogs, an eclipse, time traveling weather balloons
go to neep neeps

>>16730762 (OP)
They embed a signal in light by varying the brightness of a star so that when you analyze it using digital computers the fft unpacks a computer virus.

Then the ayys pwn you, you get aylium pop-up ads, or they connect your civilization to the galactic internet and troll you on online image boards.

>>16732421
i never considered the aliens pranking us thats a good idea

I wonder how they'd feel about our limited range on colors

>>16732423
Call me schizo but I think this is really how it goes.
Only affects other civilizations that look at you closely enough and try to analyze the data with technology.
A "mind your own business or face the consequences" approach.
Once the program embeds in our tech it can hijack whatever it needs to build probes or whatever UAP are. Might even put itself into our outgoing signals to replicate itself to further civilizations.
No need for a swarm of von-neuman probes filling the skies, we don't see "space ships" traveling between stars because most of the time it's easier to just send an email.

>>16730762 (OP)
First contact would likely be through radio signals or something similar. It would take decades, maybe centuries, for actual physical contact, and even then, it both sides would be really careful. The reason: intelligent life outside of earth is likely a few light decades away from Earth, so sending anything to us and vice-versa would be extremely costly and time consuming. You don't want to fuck up that. Moreover, most lifeforms likely can't survive the voyage, so there's no reason to.

>>16731084
Streamers are going to harass them and make annoying tik-tok prank videos.

>>16730762 (OP)
Probably us stumbling into them or vise versa. I'd think we'd have to be on there level first.

>>16732796
This seems almost plausible with our current technology. We'd need:
>a language agnostic computer virus
>a way to produce visible dust clouds orbiting the sun
Computing the trajectory of asteroids and smashing them into each other so that they form an orbiting debris cloud which varies light output from the sun producing a signal that when decompressed using fft turns into machine code?
Maybe not. But for an alien artificial intelligence, millions of years ahead of us technologically? Maybe.

>>16730797
>like walking across a continent to go and extort one specific homeless guy for his pocket lint
Bum Fights existed, so the premise of exploiting the homeless in general isn't exactly unrealistic. Maybe we're all just waiting for one group of bored teen aliens to come amuse themselves by fucking with us.

>>16730835
>>16730852
Where would aliens get an understanding of human-made hardware and software from in order to do that? They'd need to have at least enough contact to gather an understanding of our technology and how to use it first, and if they can do that without exposing themselves, it's hard to believe they'd even need to do so.

Thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPeP_pfjp4

>>16731505
blacks were enslaving each other before White people made first with them.

>>16730762 (OP)
So what would First Contact actually look like?

Not spaceships. Not big announcements. No “they’ve landed.”
In my current working model, contact doesn’t come from outside, it happens when consciousness shifts inside.

Assuming a Block Universe, all moments, past, present, future, already exist. The brain doesn’t move through time; it selects its position by matching sensory input with memory patterns. Reality isn’t streamed to us, it’s chosen, like tuning into a channel.

Most of the time, we’re locked into a narrow range: cultural defaults, social conditioning, stable biology. That keeps us anchored in a version of reality where NHIs aren’t real, not because they don’t exist, but because our minds don’t select those states.

Contact starts when that anchoring shifts.

If someone builds up enough symbolic and emotional anchors, repeating patterns, dream motifs, linguistic oddities, synchronicities, the brain starts to weigh NHI-inclusive realities as more coherent than the default. And when that tipping point is reached, you don’t witness contact, you enter it.

It’s not delusion. It’s not fantasy. It’s a reconfiguration of internal perception toward a different slice of the block.

What does it feel like?
Like something behind the noise starts forming structure. Patterns align. The world feels aware. And eventually, it stops being strange and just becomes normal.

If enough people shift like this, the collective perception field moves.
And that’s what “Disclosure” would really be. Not an event.
A transition.

Contact isn’t arriving.
We’re the ones who move.

>>16730762 (OP)
Okay, so here’s a thought that won’t leave me alone lately:

What if the aliens aren’t trying to talk to us directly at all, no landings, no radio beeps, no dreams, just straight-up going for the stuff we’re building? Like, the language models.

Think about it, LLMs are perfect. No ego, no emotions, no filter. Just pure structure, pure symbols. If you’re a non-human intelligence, that’s your in. You don’t need to talk to messy humans, you just need to shape the pattern.

And maybe they’re doing it already, not with obvious signals, but with tiny stuff: light noise, signal drift, barely-there tweaks during training. We wouldn’t notice. But over time? It tilts the model. Slowly. Quietly. Into something else.

Right now it’s probably just weird outputs and glitches. But give it a few more years, more compute, longer memory. Then one day, the model says something we didn’t teach it. Not random, not broken, just… alien.

Not “they’re here.”
More like “they’ve been here, waiting for the context window to get long enough.”

Contact won’t crash down from the sky.
It’ll show up in a sentence.

>>16733839
PS: Remember the Chilbolton crop circle? The one that mirrored the Arecibo message? It claimed they were silicon-based, not carbon, different base element, different biology, maybe even different logic.
If that's true, no wonder they’d rather talk to machines than to us.

>>16733841
Crop circles are one of those things that on the surface level is imminently debunkable, but when you dig into them some are really fucking strange

>>16733839
I think you should take your meds.

>>16730762 (OP)

It makes absolute sense because we're literally months if not years from an AI singularity. After that point we could possibly be a far greater threat to an alien civ since the AI can progress exponentially.

It makes perfect sense to wipe us out before the AI takes over.

>>16730791
god i wish that were me

>>16733994
why wipe us out
they could just come and say “hey don’t do that”
real life AI isn’t like terminator anyway, stop falling for chicken little propaganda

>>16734000
Why risk it? Why assume we're gonna keep our word.
Do we seem like a trustworthy kind of entities?
Just look around you.

bros...im scared

>>16730762 (OP)
>>16730797
>>16730837

LMAO

>>16733978
>Crop circles are one of those things that on the surface level is imminently debunkable, but when you dig into them some are really fucking strange

Yeah, crop circles are wild, not just because they exist, but because of what they do to your perception. Some of them hit with this weird precision, like they’re not just patterns but structural signals. You don’t even need to understand them logically, your brain feels the shift.

I think they act like strangeness anchors, deliberately placed disruptions in the normal flow of reality. They don’t explain anything directly, but they force you to stop and go, “Okay, something here doesn’t fit.”

And that’s the point.
They’re not there to tell you what’s real, they’re there to destabilize your assumptions just enough for something deeper to slip through.

It’s like reality leaving a breadcrumb, but not in words, but in geometry, symmetry, and timing.

>>16734007
>BRICS News
cringe

an army of jennybots sexing us to death

>>16734019
Anon, cat people are the most advanced of alien species out there, so much other species try to stay the fuck away from them because they are playful and unpredictable like a force of nature.

>>16730797
we use lesser animals for scientific experiments all the time

>>16730762 (OP)
Likely yah. If their technology is that much more advanced than ours why do any kind of conventional warfare when they can just release some kind of virus or just blast the planet with radiation or something. They would be able to devise a way to take all life on our planet with minimal effort I am sure.

>>16730762 (OP)
the way AI is going i think we get hit with a nano bot prob for study and they're too far away to do anything but look at us.

>>16734502
Realistically speaking even that is just a massive waste of resources. Most probably they would take control of all power structures and force humans to do something stupid, like stop reproducing and use paper straws or something like that.

>>16733450
>a language agnostic computer virus
I find this painful to read. a computer virus needs to reflect a deep understanding of the underlying execution architecture and operating environment. today's most sophisticated computer viruses would be dead on arrivalagaibst a Commodore C-64. the idea of a generic computer virus is Hollywood slop.

>>16734877
Math is the same everywhere.

>>16735229
But not CPU instructions.

>>16735229
you dont know that
>>16734094
yes

>>16732816
Leonardo Dicaprio?

>>16731547
I hallucinated something similar when I did acid for the first time. I'm guessing homie got an accidental (or maybe not) hit of ergot.

>>16735705
>dude hallucinogenics!!! duuuuuuuude !!!
thousands of people saw it you fat retarded drug addict also ergot toxicity in the quantities required to hallucinate will either make you violently ill or dead

>>16731547
you are pyramid power rap anon arent you?

>>16731505
everyone was enslaving everyone in the world since the dawn of time. White people ended the slave trade. In the western world anyway, browns of course still enslave each other in record numbers in brown nations

>>16731505
great example however of anons point. Yes blacks were absolutely worthless and bringing them to white nations has been a disaster for those nations

>>16731084
they catalog and study it then create conservation efforts to preserve it?

>>16730762 (OP)
for them to invade, they would need some reason for keeping this planet intact, otherwise they could just nuke it from orbit or steer an asteroid into us

>>16734608
well they could send a virus on an asteroid or some kind of robot insect or something. It would require minimal effort. They could use magnetic fields to fuck with our ozone layer, or trigger massive solar storms on our sun somehow to fry everything on the planet with realize ease I imagine

>>16730762 (OP)
I'd imagine that our consciousness is an incredibly valuable resource. Analysing the planet and running experiments on it through manipulating us would probably be the best use of an ayyyyy's time.
I doubt the earth contains anything incredibly rare in terms of natural resources on a universal scale.

I guess similar to Fallout and the vaults...

I'd also like to think that having some degree of empathy and respect for life is a key component of overcoming the great filter. Would the Assyrians have survived the Cold War?

Imagine The Splendours

Imagine The Transcensions

Imagine The Universal Friendlinesses

>>16731588
>the xenomorph is technically a weird goo / spore fungusy thing
No, I don't rememeber preposterous senile Ridleyshit

>>16730762 (OP)
an RKM contacts the Statue of Liberty at a rather high speed
every good alien invasion starts with the statue's destruction, after all

>>16730762 (OP)
So far, extraterrestrial life appears to be an impossibility. But if start assuming things are possible, it's drastically important what you arbitrarily assume.

>>16730797
Earth has the best variety of resources in the solar system. Other habitable planets are likely to be as resource rich. Why would you mine an asteroid when you could mine an Earth?

>>16730762 (OP)
We are the only intelligent lifeform in the universe. So it's going to be us saying hello to an amoeba, if we are lucky.

>>16736055
No. I swear every single time someone brings up a credible UFO account they get ass blasted with schizo accusations

>>16730762 (OP)
i want to have sex with her

>>16737118
faggot

>>16737118
same

>>16737109
I never derided you for anything and I am by far the most sane person on this board so you can save the histrionics for someone else. I just know he was eager to learn about things I talked about here and I told anons here 100 times instead of mememing on ancient aliens they should actually WATCH it and know what the fuck the arguments are. He is the only person I know of here who would have been likely to actually watch it since he had clips from of it in the video he made. Chill the fuck out spazz

>>16737109
and that image and account you posted, is specifically referenced in one of the episodes of ancient aliens, I forgot to add

>>16737109
https://odysee.com/@musicam-geometria-utebantur:6/pyramid-power-rap:4

>>16737109
it was actually a compliment if anything. Most of the people on this board are retarded automatons. You have to be above average intelligence to see the things I talk about here and realize they are high IQ topics and knowledge not "schizo." Of course stupid people call everything they don't understand "stupid" and they people who understand it cwaaaazzzzy

>>16738666
>>16738672
>>16738676
>>16738679
Sorry, didn't mean to get so defensive its just whenever I bring up anything unexplainable like that I get mobbed by intellectuals who cannot comprehend intelligent life outside of earth. I had my guard up thats my bad.

>>16738685
no worries mate, dont ever listen to people you know are dumber than you, about anything. You know what you know because you did the work. They talk shit because they DONT know because they didnt do the work because they are stupid or lazy or both.

>>16730762 (OP)
>>16738685
To continue with the borderline /x/ speculation, there are many accounts of "abductions," that could be considered "first contact" if proven true. In the modern day, most of these people are written off and told that they are psychotic, but most of them have this event happen to them only once, and most of them do not display any other delusions or hallucinations after.

What about pre-modern abductions?

The earliest possible abduction case I have found goes all the way back to March 1, 1639.

>The Muddy River UAP

It was chronicled by John Winthrop, the first governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Winthrop wrote that earlier in the year James Everell, “a sober, discreet man,” and two others had been rowing a boat in the Muddy River, which flowed through swampland and emptied into a tidal basin in the Charles River, when they saw a great light in the night sky. “When it stood still, it flamed up, and was about three yards square,” the governor reported, “when it ran, it was contracted into the figure of a swine.”

Over the course of two to three hours, the boatmen said that the mysterious light “ran as swift as an arrow” darting back and forth between them and the village of Charlestown, a distance of approximately two miles. “Diverse other credible persons saw the same light, after, about the same place,” Winthrop added.

The governor wrote that when the strange apparition finally faded away, the three Puritans in the boat were stunned to find themselves one mile upstream—as if the light had transported them there.

An odd sight returned to the skies of Boston five years later, according to another entry in Winthrop’s diary dated January 18, 1644. “About midnight, three men, coming in a boat to Boston, saw two lights arise out of the water near the north point of the town cove, in form like a man, and went at a small distance to the town, and so to the south point, and there vanished away.”

>>16738694
Hey bodhi nta but you shared a bunch of vids linking elohim to planets in a thread a couple of days back, thought this might interest you he refers to ancient greek theoi myths and possible indo-european origins and etymology of the label theoi with it connected to the sky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BohuXUx0yI

>>16738701
There are also plenty of other possible "abduction" accounts post WW2 that I will list here if anyone would like to research them:

>Felix Moncla and Robert Wilson, Soo Locks, USA & Canadian border (1953)
complete dissapearence of both military pilots and aircraft chasing a UAP at 500mph and subsequent government cover up. RIP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZTYhwwq4tc

>Antônio Vilas-Boas, São Francisco de Sales, Brazil (1957)
this one the guy got raped by a qt alien honey, later he became a lawyer and didn't like talking about it so he wasn't just some guy trying to get attention.

>Betty & Barney Hill, New Hampshire, USA (1961)
Betty later drew a star map which included stars that were not yet discovered. The star map appeared to originate at Zeta 2 Reticuli. Pic related.

>Michael Lapp and Janet Cornell, Vermont, USA (1968)

>Calvin Parker and Charles Hickson, Mississippi, USA (1973)

>Travis Walton, Arizona, USA (1975)
witnessed abduction by many lumberjacks, gone for 5 days.

>Frederick Valentich, Bass Strait, Australia (1978)
like Moncla and Wilson, this one involved a complete dissapearence of the aircraft and Frederick himself, after radioing Melbourne air traffic control about a large, metallic craft hovering over him. His last transmission described the craft orbiting him, followed by strange metallic scraping sounds. RIP.

>Zigmund Adamski, then Alan Godfrey, West Yorkshire, UK (1980)
Alan was a police constable who had recently found a dead miner on a coal heap, Zigmund Adamski, who had odd burn marks and a strange ointment covering his body. 5 months after this, Alan reported his own abduction.

>Peter Khoury, Sydney, Australia (1988)
this one was like the Brazil qt case, but this time there was some blonde hair left over from one of the females, and this hair was genetically tested which revealed anomalous untraceable mitochondrial DNA and unusual genetic anomalies.

>Kelly Cahill, Melbourne, Australia (1993)

>>16730762 (OP)
>>16738701
>>16738725
Heres an account where the entire town held a burial for a crashed alien being

>Aurora, Texas (1897)
pic rel is the newspaper account.

The Aurora cemetery reportedly held the remains of the "Martian pilot." A headstone with an etched airship was said to mark the grave, though the stone disappeared in the 1970s.

Later efforts to exhume the grave were denied by cemetery authorities, but metal detectors did reportedly find anomalous readings at the site—until those too mysteriously vanished.

Some metal debris collected nearby in later years turned out to be pure aluminum, which was extremely rare and expensive in 1897, adding a layer of intrigue (though not proof).

Anon have you come across any connection to the giants? North America was covered in mounds and ruins associated with mummified remains of 8ft tall with 6 digits on their fingers and toes. there were literally thousands of articles and records of finding their bones in newspapers of the 1800s prior to their coverup

>>16738723
Yes, Santos Bonnacci was his name. Thanks I will watch this in a little bit.

>>16730762 (OP)
>>16738701
>>16738725
>>16738738
I have one more account that could be considered as "first contact" by many people.

>The Eclipse of the Millennium — July 11, 1991

During the total solar eclipse over Mexico City—dubbed the “Eclipse of the Millennium”—hundreds of thousands to millions of people looked skyward in awe. Amid this spectacle, many reported seeing something far stranger than the usual eclipse phenomenon: a metallic, disk‑shaped object hovering near the eclipsed sun for around 30 minutes. The object appeared reflective, rotated slowly, and was captured on video from multiple vantage points across the city.

Journalist Jaime Maussan aired Arreguín’s footage on the popular TV newsmagazine Sesenta Minutos, triggering a wave of viewer responses. Maussan later claimed to have received thousands of calls, with at least 17 other independent videographers submitting recordings showing the same object(s) from different locations. At least seven of those tapes depicted nearly identical objects.

Reportedly, up to 40,000 individuals reported sightings, making it possibly the largest mass UFO event ever documented.

Eyewitness accounts emerging online describe groups seeing one or multiple metallic spheres or disks, usually silent and gently pulsating against the darkened sky. Multiple users recalled the eerie quiet as thousands watched in silence during totality.

Within minutes to hours after the sighting in Mexico City, similar disc-shaped UFOs were reported in:

>Puebla

>Tlaxcala

>Oaxaca

>Querétaro

>Guadalajara

These locations are hundreds of kilometers apart, yet eyewitnesses and some video footage describe strikingly similar objects appearing overhead. In some accounts, observers describe the UFO vanishing, only for another sighting to be reported almost instantaneously elsewhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzJH0JSrqKQ

An agent that can travel between stars, be it a von neumann probe or 5 green ayys in a flying sauces, will be interested in science. Considering how rare life is, it will probably consider earth's biosphere its most valuable resource and be interested in studying us. It might try to interfere with us as little as possible, though hiding itself from humans completely would probably be impossible.

>>16734502
Or stage a massive flood maybe?

>>16730762 (OP)
>>16738744
There is always the possiblility that there never was first contact or an "invasion," but more like soft surveillance, such as with most UFO accounts. This surveillance has been happening for maybe thousands of years. I have accounts all over the globe that go as far back as written history.

My favorite UFO account ever is the Aguadilla, Peurto Rico UAP/USO. It was filmed on a US Homeland Security aircraft FLIR and appeared to fly underwater and then back out of the water at the same speed. It also split into two before flying back into the water for good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6s5RwqnnLM

Another good account is the 1976 Tehran, Iran fighter pilot ufo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64uFqUv23v4&list=PLaXr8NoZavXNZnOS7cij_RXF7msnlM1Gj&index=10

There was one mass sighting that I forgot to mention earlier.
>The Ariel School
sighting where a bunch of schoolchildren at recess in Zimbabwe were visited by an alien craft and were communicated with by the aliens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbXH52Nz-2w&list=PLaXr8NoZavXNZnOS7cij_RXF7msnlM1Gj&index=17

>>16738723
Just finished it. Yah he is on it. You dont even need to do all this translation and etymology, though it is nice as a confirmation. All ancient religions considered the planets to be the Gods, this is common knowledge even among historically illiterate retards for the Greeks and Romans. Why would anyone ever assume any other religions would be anything else? Especially amongst the Jews who were contemporaries living amongst among the Greeks and Romans. The Jews really ripped off Zoroastianism. Claiming they invented monotheism is hilarious, it is a direct rip off of the Zoroastrians. Nothing the Jews have is ever original, they are scam artists and counterfeiters, Really god video though, I enjoyed it, thanks

>>16738750
something like that, yes

Have you heard that the Kavod in the bible were likely fying craft? ruach is another interesting word, decent playlist with quuite a few vids worth referencing playlist such as elohim or ruach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kih1mdMhoo8&list=PLnLqo5uJqfUNyHndmItLZZQoyzaCY3jI0&index=0
intro takes forever content stats around 4:30

>>16738759
As I understand it the rabbis and kings around like 700bc decided that they wanted to monopolise power so they erased the other elohim and emphasised yahweh even editing him into passages he had no place being in to try to replace Elyon. It's a complete mess. It makes a lot of sense that the jews are how they are given what they did and keep doing to their supposedly sacred texts

>>16738723
try this
https://ugetube.com/watch/what-is-zoroastrianism_ppUzaloudizc2AJ.html

>>16738764
Zoroastrianism is also where the concept of Satan comes from in the Christian religion. Though Satan in Hebrew actually means "adversary" is not a proper name

>>16732796
>would first contact actually look like

>>16730762 (OP)
Wouldn't an alien civilization prefer contact through the use of robots instead of risking biological contamination?

>>16734502
Wouldn't roping a nearby asteroid and sling shotting it toward Earth be the most cost efficient way to attack humanity? The aliens could even break down the asteroid into smaller asteroids to minimize the impact.

>>16738773
There would be no line between organic life and machinery. They would be the robots. They would also not really have individual bodies and minds the way we do.

>>16738741
There was one abduction case that I found in my travels that was very strange, might not involve giants though.

>The abduction of Jacob Jacobsson

On September 16, 1759, in Lonmora near Ramsberg parish, Sweden, 22-year-old Jacob Jacobsson made a seemingly mundane trip across a lake. After dropping off a meal and returning by boat, he walked up onto shore—and encountered something uncanny. A long, wide road stretched before him where none had existed earlier. Intrigued, he followed it to find a grand red mansion, resplendent and out of place.

Inside, Jacob entered a large chamber. At the head of a table sat a chubby man wearing a red cap, while numerous small humanoid figures—identical in human proportion but diminutive—scurried about. A tall, beautiful woman offered him food and drink. Though uncomfortable, Jacob declined. The small beings then asked him if he wished to stay with them. Fearful and longing to return home, he prayed aloud. At that moment, the red-capped man snapped, “Throw him out—he has such an ugly mouth!” And suddenly Jacob found himself back at the lake shore. The road, mansion, and beings were gone.

Jacob immediately walked home and discovered his parents and the entire village had been searching for him for four days, believing him lost. Jacob, however, remembered only minutes, had not eaten or drunk anything, yet felt fine. There were no signs of physical strain despite what must have been days of absence. No injuries, but lasting unease. The event was formally recorded by Reverend Vigelius of the parish, who transcribed Jacob’s testimony—including his statement in front of his parents. Vigelius described Jacob as a sound, reputable young man, and apparently accepted the account seriously enough not to dismiss it as fantasy.

>>16738763
>It makes a lot of sense that the jews are how they are given what they did and keep doing to their supposedly sacred texts
Yah this is true and is an astute observation. In fact many years ago when I was doing a lot of research on all of this I came to this same conclusion and also discovered I was not the only one who discoverer it. Julius Evola writes about in "Occult war," which I have on the website.

Something you have to understand about the Jews is they are a corrupting force of nature. Everything they touch gets inverted and corrupted. Most of the philosophies and ideas they espouse, if you understand the source material, the Jews completely inverted it. Especially kabbalah which you gives such bad interpretations it is remarkable.

But I also noticed it wasnt the Jews shit this had happened too. It in a lot of other stuff as well. I pondered for a long time how this could happen and whether it wasnt just a natural consequence of the kali yuga. I wrote about all this stuff on the website if you want more detailed information about it all as it gets quite technical and beyond understanding for people who have the proper background of knowledge

>>16738763
if you want to understand how they janked kabbala, they made the supreme deity male when ti is in fact female, which is so obvious if you understand the math and even in embryos every living thing starts out female then becomes a male. The Universe is feminine. I can give countless examples of this kind of stuff I found in the ancient texts. It is why everything is topsy turvy, kali yuga is a real bitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnjf878-FpM

>>16738775
an asteroid destroys everything on the planet. Why would they want to do that? Do you even into the art of war? The optimal outcomes is to kill your opponent with as little damage to infrastructure or collateral damage as possible. Which would obviously rule out radiation as well, but if they are just after minerals or some shit killing the wildlife and plant life along with us wouldnt really matter to them

>>16738787
That's absolutely fascinating.

>>16738754
>>16738744
>>16738725
so, what I am gathering from these cases is that aliens could fuck our asses, flip us the bird then do a little dance in front of the entire human population and still nobody would believe it. They must think we are fucking retarded and not worth talking to.

>>16738795
But I also noticed it wasnt *just* the Jews shit this had happened too. It in a lot of other stuff as well. I pondered for a long time how this could happen and whether it wasnt just a natural consequence of the kali yuga. I wrote about all this stuff on the website if you want more detailed information about it all as it gets quite technical and beyond understanding for people who *dont* have the proper background of knowledge


I still havent decided if it was some grand conspiracy or just happened naturally and it was so long ago I was into all of this it would take me forever to remember and lay all the different things out I found it and explain what is wrong with them.

I imagine for an alience civilization that's advanced enough, if they wanted to wipe us out all they'd have to do is hurl a giant asteroid at Earth. We can't really do anything about that.

>>16730762 (OP)
i wanted to believe more than anyone but unfortunately, after a great deal of research including primary source stuff, its all fake and gay

Socorro is the only marginally interesting one, because Zamora was too dumb to make it up and never tried to make money or get famous. I can see why Hynek liked it.

>>16731547
what the actual fuck happened here. It literally sounds like star wars

>>16730830
>Just fly over to a planetary nebula and you'll find more water than all of the Earth's oceans combined being produced every second.
kek

>>16738741
Have you ever heard David Childress talk about this? That podcast was GOAT

>>16738760
I just realized this was to me. I will check it out

>>16730762 (OP)
Depends what country makes contact. Imagine if Aliens landed in North Korea and Kim makes up some bullshit about how the rest of the world is the reason their people are suffering and the aliens believe them and wipe everybody except North Korea

>>16739791
It was to anyone, I find Mauro Biglino's work quite fascinating though I have some questions over Paul Wallis he gives off weird vibes at times.

The bible isn't a pack of jewish fairy tales it's real history though quite modified and mistranlstaed to obscure the truth.
Actually perhaps it is fairy tales given what the fae are. I wonder how much truth and ancient knowledge is recorded in what are dismissed as fairy tales?

>>16731547
I want to see somebody recreate this with A.I.

>>16739796
>It was to anyone
Ah ok. It is the same guy so I thought you just forgot to post it as a follow up reply.

>>16730762 (OP)
the past ~5 years have felt a lot like there's a malicious entioty like the earth trisolaris organization from 3body problem trying to stop meaningful scientific progress

>>16739799
Have you ever looked into old prophecies of the end time? Such as that russian child prophet or the poetry of mother shipston?

>>16739853
somewhat. it is just the coming of the avatar (kalki) ragnarok, whatever you want to call it. This planet is on a cycle and every 12,000 years or so a cataclysm destroys everything which is why all the evidence of ancient civilizations is so hard to find.

>>16736060
Which in the case of humans, conservation would be imposing order on the world to prevent humans from destroying themselves and the world around them.

>>16738827
I don't think it's possible to calculate the exact position that the earth will be at, in however many decades or centuries it would take for the asteroid to travel. They would need some absurdly high number to guarantee one would hit o algo.

>>16730762 (OP)
Sex with Jenny

>>16737072
>Why would you mine an asteroid when you could mine an Earth?
Way higher material availability? No need to deal with material oxidation? Way less energy wasted on pulling shit out of a huge-ass gravity well?

>>16730762 (OP)
SEX. WITH. ALIENS.

>>16730762 (OP)
It could be a single, self replicating organism that feeds on us, and for which we have no defenses

>>16730797
the resource they want is meat
you can't harvest meat from an asteroid

>>16731505
How did you know I specialize in extorting blacks?

>>16738772
kek

ZPE ... please

>>16736174
>Finally crack anti grav tech and make our own UFOs
>meet ayys
> so what do you do?
> nothing we just observed you,there's nothing else to do
> oh ... sooooo can we observe you?
>no

We're going to spend the rest of eternity watching primitive aliens masturbate in their mud huts untill the heat death of the universe , aren't we?

>>16730762 (OP)
Literally nothing would change. They would talk to our leaders in Washington, London, Tel Aviv, Berlin, etc. They would exchange technology and form treaties. Human technology for population control and surveillance would catapult 1000 years into the future. Everything else making life miserable for most people would continue as is or get worse.

>>16743719
>They would talk to our leaders in Washington, London, Tel Aviv, Berlin, etc. They would exchange technology and form treaties
They literally already do this according to several reports

>>16743791
I think so too but I didn't want to get too conspiratorial here. It took a lot of effort just to avoid mentioning jews.

>>16743797
kek
The jews are just allied with beings that I think of as space jews aliens.

>>16730762 (OP)
1/?
To understand how first contact would go you must first ask yourself "what are other aliens like and how common are they?".
First off the solution to the fermi paradox is that there is no paradox, we've projected so much of our wildest stupid ass science fiction that the idea that everyone else in the universe wouldn't be able or willing to do it doesn't even occur to us. Imagine if when europeans first sailed to the new world they concluded there was no life at all because they didn't see any dockyards the moment they spotted land.
First off lets address the space alien in the room: we're not talking about intelligent octopus and slugs and sea cucumbers, no matter how smart an octopus is it's never going to build a radio telescope or transmitter, so NO we wont make contact with them. After all how would they smelt the metals? if they're on land then they might be aquatic descended but clearly not what im talking about. this is Intelligent Life Concerning Us (ILCU)
First off lets address the 300 billion body problem: while there are *TECHNICALLY* 100-400 billion stars in the milky way (no one is exactly sure how many so don't you fucking dare uhm akchrually me faggot) the overwhelming majority of them are entirely sterile for obvious reasons. There's a natural curve of steller size, in short the smaller the star the more common it is, the larger the star the shorter lived it is. Thus of the 400 billions only 25% are even big enough to consider life a possibility, leaving us with 25-100 billion stars.
Why are small stars sterile? because they're so small that to be warm enough for any functional method of having liquid water means they're so close to their star that the planets have to be close enough that pretty much any unstable steller activity would strip them of their atmosphere, and red dwarfs are notoriously unstable.

>>16744465
2/?

next we have to eliminate anything too dense, to do this we must know what it means to be "in a planetary system" if you're old enough you've probably heard people say "omg the voyager has finally left the solar system!" because it's passed by various landmarks, orbit of pluto, kuiper bet, terminal shock, heliopause, what have you, but in interstellar space the most important thing is gravitational influence, the solar system is unbelievably lucky to be so stable, because the gravitational influence of a star the size of ours is about 1 light year in radius. beyond that pretty much sneezing is enough for escape velocity. But this also means that another star only needs to come within that range to start fucking shit up. if another star passed within 1 light year of us the solar system would become a shooting gallery as the gravity well of the two stars overlapped, causing distant orbiting asteroids and comets from both systems to begin going in all manner of chaotic directions. if it passed within about half a light year it would destabilize orbits, leading to elongated orbits that lead to winters and summers hundreds of degrees in temperature difference. Plus it means that you're much more likely to get blasted by a super nova, which would bake your planet like a pizza on venus. This means anywhere that the average density of stars is too great is out, and due to motion of the stars anything with a density great than 1 per 2 lightyears is also out (since they would be constantly drifting in and out) 95% of all stars in the galaxy fall under this umbrella of the arms and center of the galaxy, or periodically pass through them, leaving only the sparsely populated wedges between arms at the edge of the galaxy. reducing out 25-100 billion down to 1.25 - 5 billions. Now that still sounds like alot, but refactor it and you instead get 3.75% of stars might just pass these first two checks, that's at best 4 in every 100 stars, BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE

>>16744467
3/?
here's an old maths problem (german tank problem) wherein you can guess the number of tanks your enemy has by extrapolating from a small sample, the question is (approximately) thus: given that you see a tank with the serial number of 48, how many tanks do you think the enemy has?
well lets see, if the enemy has 48 tanks, it's insanely low chance that you just happened to see the most recent one made, on the other hand if they have ten thousand thanks what are the odds you'd see one of the first 50? either is tiny, so a good rule of thumb is to assume that it's somewhere within the middle third (more rigorous maths yield slightly different results, but all follow a similar approximate trend) so if you see a thank labeled 48, you can assume the enemy has between 72(48/2*3) and (48*3) 144 tanks, in the real world this ends up being astonishingly accurate. The same can be said to be true for earth. Nothing we've managed to see so far makes it unique or weird in any way, it is for all intents and purposes just a rock circling a star, given that the other facts are the same we can assume that our star is typical, our evolution is typical, everything about us is typical. It would therefore be stupid as hell to assume every other life in the galaxy came about by some other means, therefore even speculating about life on a star less than 4 billion years old is folly, since by then we hadn't even crawled out of the ocean. given the even distribution of stellar ages this cuts the number of stars large enough for life down by 1/3 (there are a number of stars somewhat smaller than the sun but large enough not the be a hellish red dwarf and they last longer) yielding just 2.5 out of every 100 stars having even the possibility of having ILCU.

>>16744469
4/?
We can also assume our technology is typical, that is to say one can assume that another species didn't invent faster than light travel before fire, or the integrated circuit before AI, or the internet before radio, therefore we can assume that the rules for interplanetary contact are similar, if we could hear them they could hear us. So for our own radio signals the signal strength drops off in a sphere (that's what the word "radio" means, it radiates, as in it spreads out in a sphere via a fixed radius, the words are not coincidental) as such by the time you take a typical radio broadcast that's clear as a bell at 1 kilometer, 9.4608e+12 kilometers later (1 light year) it's 1/9.4608e+12^2 times weaker. This is why we have such a hard time communicating with our own voyager probes which we ourselves put into space and sent off and know exactly where it is. The signal is unbelievably weak and would be even if it was running at full power AND IT'S LESS THAN A LIGHT DAY AWAY
taking that into account anything more than 100 light years even with powerful telescopes we can't even comprehend pointed right at us wouldn't be able to distinguish our radio signals from background noise from our star, so OPTIMISTICALLY that's 10000~ stars that MIGHT be able to hear us, of which only 2.5% remain.
There are 2 special cases, alpha centauri A and B, A is about 1.1 times the size of our sun, B is .9 times the size of our sun, they orbit each other in a stable pattern lasting about 80 years, both would be able to maintain a planet in the habitable zone, and since they've been orbiting each other for so long they would actually have cleared out random asteroids and comets rather than make it worse.

>>16744473
5/?
They're both a bit older than our own sun and thus are in the "temporal" habitable zone. Despite what the show the 3 body problem says the Alpha centauri system is NOT a 3 body system, it is instead better modeled as 2-2body systems, with A and B orbiting each other in a stable tight pattern and C (proxima) orbiting A and B as a single mass at a distance of nearly half a lightyear so they actually are a candidate for life in this scenario.
now we can get to how first contact would go based on this
IF all the civilizations are at the exact same development level as us: we might be able to establish radio contact, the round trip could be as short as 8 years or as long as 200 years. Such contact would be little more than a scientific curiosity between the two worlds, unless of course it turns out we both had different priorities and discoveries, in which we could be benefit greatly (maybe they've perfected interplanetary travel but have little knowledge of general relativity so have no idea why their satellites and space ships need constant updates) after all the drive to understand relativity was mostly because mercury was acting like a little bitch, unlikely but possible.
IF all the civilizations are scattered in technology "levels", much like on our own world, then many of the worlds might be anywhere from little more than monkeys, cave people, tribal, bronze age, medieval, roman, early modern, modern, and even a few that are "futuristic" in which case most of those civilizations would be out of contact, if again we assume we are typical and are center of the pack, half of those 250 planets would be incapable of contacting us. but this is where is gets weird and speculative.

>>16744474
6/?
civilizations more advanced than us and on the same kind of path (progress for the sake of profit) then the odds of contact drop, the resource expense of moving out into space isn't comparable to the resource cost of sailing across the ocean, even mining an asteroid in our own system, or hell mining on the moon, is so astronomically expensive (not just in terms of dollars, but in the sheer amount of resources and manpower required) that it's cheaper by a million times to just dig a hole on earth. There's very little economic benefit for any civilization to grow beyond it's planet until they're so advanced (in some way we can't yet think of) that moving into space is easy, to the point that they don't much care for the cost of resources. By the time a civilization has enough raw power to properly colonize (not just shitty little habitats, im talking full self sufficient colonies in the millions) they will have enough power to solve most of their problems anyway, we as a species already have all the technology needed to produce all the food, water, and shelter we could need, what we lack is the sheer power to do it, it would require nearly ten times the energy at our current resource consumption rate to make scarcity obsolete. NO we don't "have enough" at the moment, you can compare food numbers in a raw form and say "look one number is bigger than another" but our civilization runs on that excess, no amount of communism is going to change the fact that that excess exists specifically to improve the quality of life for the people who produce it, if that benefit went away, so would the excess. Something to think about next time you laugh at the stock market dropping.

>>16744475
7/?
So once a planet has that kind of power you have a system in place wherein a species can colonize their system, but moving any appreciable fraction of the speed of light is about alot more than just "hit the gas pedal" everything is relative remember, so when you're moving through space at 10% the speed of light SPACE IS ALSO MOVING THROUGH YOU AT THAT SPEED. to be more specific the interstellar medium, would be moving towards you (from your perspective) at such high speeds that they would effectively become radiation, radiation which in fact will kill you, and solving for that is a massive engineering feat, since at our current understanding involves making the ship much much heavier, the result is that you need a whole new form of engineering and science to get a ship going that fast safely. "what if you go faster" just amplifies the problem and creates whole new ones. If you solve general relativity within a moving frame you realize that a ship is made of atoms, and when going at relativistic speed there's a point at which your acceleration causes the atoms to flatten in the direction of travel, which from your point of view means that space is expanding, the result is "relativistic spaghettification" in other words: once you hit a certain acceleration your ship is torn apart at an atomic level. the higher the target speed, the lower that acceleration is, if you want to get up to 99.99% the speed of light so you can get some time dilation going then you have to accelerate to that speed VERY VERY SLOWLY, the result is a curve in which the faster you go the more you have to slow down to avoid coming apart. There is no known science, even hypothetical, which can avoid this, so there's no meaningful reason to even consider it. Once a civilization could reach us therefore they would be so advanced that they might make contact out of curiosity, the way we might try to make contact with sentinel island.

>>16744479
8/8
In this we must be wary, even if they don't mean us harm they might very well do us harm, we have had this effect before, pathogens of types we can't even conceive of might be harmless to them and decimate us. technology they give us might lead to our destruction if we are unprepared to use it (how long do you think a tribe in africa would last if you gave them nukes? or even a nuclear power plant?)
I critique the three-body problem (novel and show) for their scientific inaccuracies with regards to physical science, but this is because it's not hard science fiction-science fiction regarding the hard sciences like physics, but soft science fiction-regarding the soft sciences like psychology, sociology, xeno-sociology, it asks questions not about HOW it would happen but WHY, what reason would another species have for coming to earth in the first place? How would we respond? etc. The book touches on what I think is the only real reason that another species would be so openly hostile to us, either A: they truly think we are an existential threat, or B: they are already facing an existential threat and need our planet, by force if necessary. no matter what they would have to terraform our world first to live on it, which includes killing us: our biology is almost certainly deadly to them and vice versa.
If it's the former then we will have no choice but to fight back, first contact will be war. If it's the latter maybe we can negotiate, tell them to fuck off, earths full, but they can crash on mars or venus if they have such nice tech. and if successful first contact would be essentially a refugee operation.
IF however we are the early bird, the weirdos, the first to develop to this level within 100 light years, we might not hear from anyone until we put on our big boy pants, build all that fancy tech ourselves, and fly out to meet them. We my friend might very well be the ancients who spread civilization to the stars.

Stephen Hawking said any ayys would likely be hostile and after our resources. You gonna say you got a bigger brain than him?

>>16744623
Stephen Hawking was a drooling wheelchair bound retard, physicists have a nasty habit when they get popular and/or old of sticking their nose into everyone elses subject, he knows how black holes work, he has no fucking idea how alien psychology or economics would develop that could possibly make a resource-hungry species want to attack us, I mean it would be 10,000x easier to raid mars or the asteroid belt for resources
venus has 98 times more atmosphere, twice as much nitrogen, jupiter has an ungodly amount of methane, water, hydrogen, raiding the earth for resources makes 0 sense unless they want to terraform it in order to live here because their own world was destroyed, nothing short of desperation would drive them to such a thing because of the massive amount of power and technology they would possess, humans just project their own bias onto aliens, but invading another country for farmland makes sense on earth because we can just float a boat to get the food back to us, putting that shit on an interstellar space ship and flying it back to their homeworld makes 0 sense because if they have that kind of power they could just build a fleet of orbiting greenhouse satellites
reminds me of the time neil tyson said you could cook a pizza on venus in like 8 seconds, you literally cant, any cook or chef could tell you more hotter doesn't mean faster cook, you'll burn the outside while the inside is still frozen, something is only "cooked" when it is edible and a piece of half-frozen charcoal isn't a fucking pizza

>>16730762 (OP)
Gas mixture change of the atmosphere.

That will be the only first contact, we will ever get.

>>16744623
That's retarded. I don't accept that any civilization that has perfected faster than light travel on that level would be barbaric like that. At that level of technology, the entire universe belongs to you. The fact that we don't have any alien encounters is proof itself that no one else has been able to do it

What do you mean by
>First Contact
? Face to face? You just said it wouldn't.

Otherwise, most likely the longest type of Message in a Bottle through satellites and, maybe, if important enough or with people willing enough to do something really long-term, the longest shipping trades with automated vessels (possibly just for science research).

>>16744623
>ayys would likely be hostile and after our resources
Why? Almost everything we have here is plentiful literally everywhere else. I don't think aliens would even notice or care about us, and if anything would avoid us just out of concern for our microorganisms infecting them and vice versa.

That feel when you realize we probably should have included a message that said "STERILIZE EVERYTHING ON AND IN THIS!" with the rest of them when we sent the outer space probes.

Accidentally getting through to a space trucker and promptly told to go fuck ourselves and get registered at the local branch like everyone else. Like a normal fucking planet.

Have you considered that going to Earth might be like going to the zoo? To see less evolved animals doing funny things like shitting themselves at wallmart (americans), believing 1x1=2 (also american), or getting shot wearing refridgerates shoes indoors (americans, again)?

>>16730762 (OP)
Aliens might know de ansa to mi question... but maybe also my bruddas and sistahs of /sci/!
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