Thread 16837796

Jared Isaacman is back - edition

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>>16837796 (OP)
USA USA USA USA USA USA

He doesn't know what JPL does. That alone disqualifies him for the position.

with the dems sweeping this year's elections we're going to see pushback against trump gaining momentum, which means nasa's science budget will likely be making a big fat comeback

>>16837803
JPL grifts money, next

oldspace contractors have been scamming NASA for 100bil in 20 years and delivered one unmanned demo of a under-powered small capsule, which didn't even have the life support systems on board

How dangerous is this?

>>16837811
So dangerous that the crew may get stuck
>t.correlation = causation fag

>>16837803
What does it do?

>>16837813
Is that TIE fighter coming from, or heading to, Jupiter?

I just figured out how we can beat the Chinese to a moon landing.
We fake it.

>>16837817
kek

ACCELERATE
At this rate they'll have 16 Million subscribers bringing in $30BN in revenue per year by the time Starship launches to Mars
Then on the next launch window they'll have 60 Million subscribers/$100Bn+ year in revenue

>>16837820
we *need* india onboard the starlink train NOW

The motion is hypnotic

>>16837822
it just keeps growing

>>16837822
too big, dial it down.

>>16837820
prices differ and growth in different countries is going to fuck up revenue predictions
still gorllions of dollars doe

minor insignificant news

>>16837814
they take dirt from the martian surface and put it into a vial, which they then leave on the martian surface

>>16837832
>Kwajalein mentioned
I hope that's what they name the future tropical resort crater on Mars

>>16837811
I feel that NASA hasn't done cool shit like this for my entire lifetime

>>16837840
helicopters on mars?
monkey costumes on the iss?

>>16837848
Jared is one weird looking dude

>>16837849
"bankers" (shift4) tend to look like that

>>16837849
Cool it with the anti-semitism.

joint chinese-russian station when?

>>16837855
As soon as they agree on an orbital inclination

>>16837852
>>16837854
Wow, more antisemitism on /sfg/. I'm Jewish, how do you feel about that? Should I go kill myself?

>>16837857
polar would be best

>>16837861
why polar and not equatorial?
equatorial launches are cheaper, and you need frequent launches, so the astronauts always have fresh chicken wings to grill.
polar orbits are for spy satellites and science runs in ksp.
they're not going to do polar orbit glowie shit with a country as insignificant as russia (nigeria with snow).

>>16837863
russia wanted their new station to be in a polar orbit

>>16837872
was that in relation to a joint chinese one?
it makes more sense in the context of russia making a purely russian space station to do adversary glowie shit in, after leaving the iss.
if they let in chinese astronauts, why do they want the expensive surveillance orbit?
is the russian economy doing so well that they can afford that?

>>16837820
Is it just me or does a billion not even sound like a big number anymore. I'm not saying it's not, but it's like trillion is the new billion, maybe these evaluations and things have just gotten really bloated and I've totally lost track of numbers following this space stuff. If you have a hundred million, you can buy like one rocket launch and then you're basically broke again

>>16837877
One billion is the minimum unit for big business and government projects these days.

>>16837877
No yeah I get what you mean, it was a massive deal for a company to be a trillion dollar company, but now we have what, a dozen or so of them? Not to mention Nvidia is pushing a HUNDRED Billion in EARNINGS, not revenue, per year, soon be a hundred billion a quarter

https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1986225161884901403
>Tonight is a Space Coast double header from SpaceX and ULA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5A4tCYoHZs
>8:31 p.m. EST (0131 UTC) - Starlink 6-81

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdsUu86_gdc
>10:24 p.m. EST (0324 UTC) - ViaSat-3 F2

>>16837836
you can't fool me that's a toy lightsaber someone thrown away at las vegas

>>16837820
>Each subscriber is going to pay $160 per month

You're off by a factor of at least two.

>>16837902
>not accounting for the Maritime and Aviation subscribers paying high-5/low-6 figures

>>16837811
no dangerous at all.

>>16837902
>>16837908

military as well

>>16835925
>Artemis will have the first fatalities in space.
Soviets beat us to it, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_11

>>16837908
So, show the math on your estimate if you like. Typing, "Grok what is Starlinks revenue?" doesn't count.

https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1986242221679452497
>Both SpaceX and ULA are simultaneously loading liquid oxygen on the upper stages of their respective rockets at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station. Truly a multi-user spaceport kind of night.

starlink 3 bings

>>16837902
So, show the math on your estimate if you like. Typing, "it comes to me in a dream" doesn't count.

Fun Fact: Over at NSF an old space grumpy grandad acknowledged:

>FYI I have worked on every American docking system to date. Artemis II does not have a docking system because A) it doesn't need one, and B) it has to drop the docking system for CG on re-entry. So putting one on A-II would be a massive waste of money.

Meaning, reentry is even more iffy than you thought, if Orion is stuck in space there isn't even a slim chance of rescue and most importantly all Lockmart cares about is the dollar bills yo. Very comfortable with letting AIII go up with an amazing untested configuration.

>>16837931
no :)

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1986243900227363073
>Crazy thing about the Viasat-3 launch tonight. It has a capacity of 1 terabit per second. Took 7 years and $700 million to build on contract by Boeing. Starlink v3 satellites have similar capacity. SpaceX will chuck dozens of them into space next year on every Starship launch.

>>16837932
neither of these rockets excites me anymore

>>16837921
Just because Soviets killed people in the past doesn't prove that they can kill people today. It's a whole new race now.

>>16837942
starting to scare the shit out of me if I'm honest bros. the population is too space illiterate to understand the nuances, a mishap here would be disastrous for the public support of spaceflight

>>16837941
>No you!

Snappy comeback.

Took the average public cost of $80 a month, and figured the gold tier plans and government mandated $15 a month EBT plans net out. That's the factor of two left.

Now go ahead. Dazzle us with your insight.

Another one

>>16837957
>the average public cost of $80 a month
citation required

ViaSat-3 F1 launched on 1 May 2023 aboard a Falcon Heavy rocket, which successfully placed it into a near-geosynchronous orbit in the early hours of 1 May at an altitude of approximately 34,600 kilometers. Deployment of the antenna did not occur nominally and the satellite's performance was severely affected.[16][17] Viasat triggered a $420 million claim, a space insurance underwriter described the situation to CNBC as a “market changing event” for the sector.[18] Viasat suffered its biggest one-day loss in share price following the news.[18] In February 2024, Viasat announced that the crippled satellite is expected to enter commercial service in the second quarter of 2024 at less than ten percent of its 1 terabit per second capacity, and that a $421 million insurance claim had been filed.[19]

>>16837979
if a starlink sat failed to deploy an antenna and was useless it wouldn't even get tweeted about.

>>16837987
An entire batch fell to Earth and it was only spoken about here

>>16837952
Did berger have an insider who tipped him off or do you think he’s secretly butthurt that he didn’t see it coming

>>16837957
Anything less than an order of magnitude is irrelevant

>>16837979
Viasat is the reason I didn't have internet on my cross-pacific flights multiple times and I will never forgive them. I'm legitimately switching from Delta to United for my flights because United is getting Starlink soon(tm).

Is we getting NEP

heads up, MikeeUSA is spamming /sci/ now too. Along with /pol/, /k/... just don't be surprised if he shows up here.

>>16838023
too many radiators

https://x.com/WMstormchaserDB/status/1986257274776752547
>Beautiful SUBSTORM in progress as of 9:15PM EST in Nunica, MI

Might be a chance to see something if you've got clear sky tonight

https://x.com/landon_wx/status/1986261897121821119
>Wow. What a show! DeKalb, IL

https://x.com/landon_wx/status/1986208806658011574
>Large mid-latitude displays are possible this evening, but the aurora may be hard to see during recovery phase of substorms. Substorm pillars may appear as a very bright red to the naked eye.

https://x.com/LoganJusticeTCA/status/1986260103633191096
>Mille Lacs central MN!

https://x.com/traveling_corn/status/1986260107701653734
>Visibly aurora from downtown Minneapolis

>A substorm, sometimes referred to as a magnetospheric substorm or an auroral substorm, is a brief disturbance in the Earth's magnetosphere that causes energy to be released from the "tail" of the magnetosphere and injected into the high latitude ionosphere. Visually, a substorm is seen as a sudden brightening and increased movement of auroral arcs.

>Substorms are distinct from geomagnetic storms in that the latter take place over a period of several days, are observable from anywhere on Earth, inject a large number of ions into the outer radiation belt, and occur once or twice a month during the maximum of the solar cycle and a few times a year during solar minimum.
>Substorms, on the other hand, take place over a period of a few hours, are observable primarily at the polar regions, do not inject many particles into the radiation belt, and are relatively frequent — often occurring only a few hours apart from each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substorm

hmm

>>16837949
its not about the rockets or even the payloads, but that they're both happening from the same spaceport within a short amount of time from each other. a rare event like this becoming more common is a good sign for the industry.

>>16838041
earth is cool

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986266299463266365
>Atlas V is fully fueled and configured for its commercial satellite launch. Clocks are holding at T-minus 4 minutes for a 30-minute planned built-in hold before final readiness polls and we enter terminal count. Our visibility graphic shows when the Atlas V rocket will rise into view for spectators tonight

>>16838054
how many more Vs do they have again?

>>16838055
XII

>>16837987
IIRC something like 5% of every starlink sat fails in some way after being launched and gets deorbited (that was some years ago, dunno if got better or worse). They offset this by launching more.
So a starlink failing to deploy is usual, but they have reserves.

>>16838055
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau/atlas-5.htm

>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Kuiper KA-04-27
>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Kuiper KA-05-27
>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Kuiper KA-06-27
>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Kuiper KA-07-27
>Atlas-5(551) 5M CC SLC-41 xx.xx.2026 Kuiper KA-08-27
>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.2026 Starliner 1
>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.202x Starliner 2
>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.20xx Starliner 3
>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.20xx Starliner 4
>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.20xx Starliner 5
>Atlas-5(N22) - CC SLC-41 xx.xx.20xx Starliner 6

>>16838060
>starliner6
LOL

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986267198139343316
>The launch weather officer confirms that all conditions remain observed and forecast GO for liftoff at 10:24 p.m. EDT (0324 UTC).

T-12:00

>>16838064
cant wait for these oldspace rockets to go extinct

>>16837873
>is the russian economy doing so well that they can afford that?
they're doing pretty well considering they don't parasite billions of dollars in US taxpayer "aid" money each year, don't you think?

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986270692149706887
>The Atlas launch team is assessing a technical issue at this time. The issue is being examined and troubleshooting is underway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOZ_dyoLDms

oldspace doing a thing

Anyone know where to find a copy of the project Athena 62 page report? The summary that Berger wrote about is juicy, I want moar. Hoping for a premature end of sls and Orion, and dumping buckets of money into infrastructure to get millions of people living on mars.

>>16838073
not even my boss at NASA has it, I asked him

>>16838074
tell your boss at nasa I said hi

it's so scrubbed

>>16838069
many countries don't, and they don't have a space station either.
why would the US give an adversary nation aid? what makes you think they would?

ULA is a shitheap

>>16838077
>why would the US give an adversary nation aid?
we have every year for decades now

why does this ULA launch matter so much?

>>16838081
it's not a starlink launch

>>16838072
This broadcaster is so awkward

>>16837796 (OP)
>Might be able to resolve the issue by tonight
This things gonna explode 3 seconds after takeoff isn't it

>>16838084
On one hand, that'd be fucking hilarious
On the other hand, I'm stuck flying AA and all their planes are equipped with slow and gay viasat, so I have some interest in this launch going well because that means I get fast in-flight wifi

How embarrassing...

>>16838084
I'm hoping for another strut malfunction.

>>16838092
>In an unfortunate series of errors, Chief Engineer, Bill Kerban, has accidentally slipped and fallen into the main Solid Propellant tank and was welded inside the chassis. We are currently assessing if his bodily composition will effect the critical Delta V needed for liftoff

https://x.com/TamithaSkov/status/1986188658916073683
>A whole train of big solar storms are on their way, along with some smaller storms hitting now, and some fast solar wind! It is an aurora photographers dream starting now and lasting at least through the weekend. Right now, the biggest of the storms should hit late Thursday or early Friday morning and is well-represented in NOAA's prediction model. You can also get a 3D view of the coming solar storm in my earlier post. G3 to G4 storm levels are possible by Friday.

Viasat is sure getting their money's worth from this delay, look at how much free shilling they are getting.

SCRUBBED!

SCREWBED

>>16838109
WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE FORGOT TO BOLT THE ENGINE ON

>>16838112
hopefully they bolted it on better than that UPS plane

>>16838114
The UPS plane managed to take off atleast

imagine they start scrubbing E2E flights. real fast way to kill a business.

you now remember the OG scrubtober, what was it like 2017? dark times

Why don't they just scrub the stage that isn't working right and launch using the rest?

https://archive.ph/CHcos

Seems like Bloomberg have Project Athena but are just drip feeding it

Cool part-
>In a section called “Vendor Focus Areas,” the plan lists out various aerospace companies that have worked with NASA and how they can potentially contribute to the agency’s policy directives. Listed next to SpaceX, the document cites the potential for a “Mars Discovery Base contract,” related to a new Mars program called Project Olympus that would test out technologies for landing humans on Mars.

>Next to Blue Origin, the plan cites exploring the possibility of putting the Orion crew capsule on the company’s New Glenn rocket, for instance.

>>16838122
Only 5280m/s of delta-v on the Centaur and a thrust-weight of 3.3 m/s2.

>>16838126
they should tell us how he plans to make the europeans stop being useless

>>16838087
I mean, you can fly someone other than AA.

>>16838131
I live in DFW, my family in Philly, and my work sends me to London and Tokyo, two massive Oneworld hubs, what the fuck am I gonna do, fly united down to Houston and waste 5 hours transferring there?

>>16838126
>Project Olympus that would test out technologies for landing humans on Mars
>possibility of putting the Orion crew capsule on the company’s New Glenn rocket
>I'm Bloomberg and these are bad

no refunds

>>16838132
Well, for starters, no one should be living in Philly or Dallas.
You're taking AA, so you clearly already hate yourself. Might as well fly Spirit domestically.

Take Delta.

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986283881645920654
>The launch of a United Launch Alliance Atlas V carrying the ViaSat-3 F2 mission for Viasat is scrubbed for tonight's launch attempt due to an issue encountered while cycling the booster liquid oxygen tank vent valve during final checkouts. The team will require additional time for troubleshooting and is setting up for a 24-hour recycle. The launch is now planned for Thurs., Nov. 6 at 10:16 p.m. EST at the opening of a 44-minute window.

>>16838140
>Take Delta.
Tim Dunn is that you?

>>16838141
valves
the nemesis of aerospace

In at least five of the 16 African countries where the service is available, a monthly Starlink subscription is cheaper than the leading fixed internet service provider.

In Ghana, Starlink is half the price of the local ISP.

>>16838144
hehhehehehee
'Benin'
hheeehe

>>16838142
I don't know who that is.

What about Pan Am; let's imagine we're living in the '60s and people still give a fuck about space travel.

>>16838146
people never gave a fuck about space travel.
can someone find that yt video where that one guy says as such (going over like poll data from the 60s)? I'm subscribed to him but I forget what channel.

>>16838144
Ghana should be a huge market. Not sure what the population is in Zimbabwe (Rhodesia)

>>16838147
>people never gave a fuck about space travel.
because there arent any good destinations. a view of earth is nice but so is a view of the mountains or oceans outside of a vacation hotel. people want things to see and activities to do. there's nothing to do on the iss. this is why we need gothic cathedral space stations.

>>16838151
>there's nothing to do on the iss. this is why we need gothic cathedral space stations.
lol, that went from 0 to 100. good taste, though.

>Elon finally realises a Moon base is a good idea
>it's for the most retarded scifislop investorbait imaginable
I don't know if this is even a monkey paw, it's just so fucking stupid. I hope we at least get some actual Moon hardware out of it before everyone realises it's bullshit or the bubble pops.

>>16838157
>it's for the most retarded scifislop investorbait imaginable
I'm sure it's a very meticulous 5D chess move by him, just you watch, this will be crucial in the long term.

>>16838157
what if the deal to get isaacman into nasa required spacex to put more focus on the moon?

>>16837811
This is insanely illegal

>>16837820
>$30BN in revenue per year
what's their cost?

>60 Million subscribers/$100Bn+
double the customers, more than triple the revenue... how does that work? I get that corporate clients might pay more, but THAT much more?

>>16838173
16 to 60 is nearly a 4x increase in customers not a doubling...

wouldnt data centers and AI want to use starlink since it can be much faster than undersea cables?

>>16838162
You could do that in so many better ways than this buzzword bingo. Elon could've spent the last few days spamming Moonbase Alpha memes and it would've done a better job.

>>16838175
>>16838173
oh fuck, yeah, I misread and confused the numbers

time to sleep, I guess

>>16838183
goodnight :)

GOONIGHT

Good morning fellow Europeans.

buenas noches

>>16838192
mein

Starlink is a scam. It will never work

>>16838078
Absolute joke. I wonder if Tory is even able to feel shame at presiding over this decline.

>>16838126
Who the hell do I bribe to get a copy of this fucking thing

>>16838157
the only thing being farmed off the moon in the initial years is the oxygen
mass drivers dumping tons of oxygen in LEO in depots which cut the launches required by starship for refuelling to ~ a third

as for datacenters in LEO, the cheap energy part makes sense, if you put them in a SSO orbit along the terminator so it stays in the sun 24x7x365 and the other half of it faces the dark space (~150K black body assuming earth radiates at 300K)

>>16837836
Imagine being one of the other institutions who bid on the hardware for that mission and got passed up for the sample caching ones

endless seethe

>>16837952
lmao
Elon probably bribed the shit out of half of US Congress to get this going, and it was probably fucking cheap too

Donation disclosures don't go out for another month IIRC

>>16838075
ok

i love you guys, dont forge t it, weare gonna make it..

https://x.com/AndrewKolvet/status/1986275357859979572
Charlie Kirk dying inspired NASA administrator Jared Isaacman to pick up the bible. Inspiring

>>16838217
fucking hell, gah

>project suncatcher
>sundar pichai
holy FRICK

>>16837952
This is the way. Star Wars future is fucking coming bros!!

ELON

>>16838079
kek

>>16838221
how is AI going to accelerate spaceflight?

>>16837448
Clear bike when?

>>16838223
HAL on ships, where it knows the systems, crew health, etc. ez.

>>16838157
It's time to just accept that he's lost his mind and hope the momentum he built is enough

>>16838223
Creepy, sinister robots like Ash

>work on starship
>extremely technical and niche work with little public documentation
>Elon tells you to start using an LLM

>>16838218
Return to reddit. I'm not even an abrahamist, but you still have to go.

>>16838229
you're a bad troll

>>16837811
I don't get it. Why is this significant compared to what they eat on the ISS?

>>16838226
Every time one of you retards starts dooming like this, things just get better.

>>16838224
Check the archive

>>16838223
By diverting the bubble money to launching rockets
Who cares if AI doesn't pan out, but the rocket tech will always be relevant

>>16838231
It's chinese, so it has to be evil.
China is our current enemy didn't you get the memo?

>>16837840
They've grown chillies and eaten tacos in space.
Please clap.

>>16838255
Gravity is pretty strange when you think about it
I can imagine that after a few days you'd find it normal that you can just line up chillis like that without them "falling over", whatever THAT means

>>16838246
It already "panned out"
The question is just how much better and how quickly will it keep improving. But even current levels of capabilities is going to transform the economy
There is just a long tail of implementing products and services for specific purposes that takes time

>>16838258
Ah, a koolaid drinker is here
Tell me how your blockchain investments are doing

>>16838255
chiles lookin like a kpop group

>>16838260
You're delusional

>>16838252
CCP is the enemy of all mankind

>>16838268
No, that would be the Jews

https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1986243900227363073
>Crazy thing about the Viasat-3 launch tonight. It has a capacity of 1 terabit per second. Took 7 years and $700 million to build on contract by Boeing. Starlink v3 satellites have similar capacity. SpaceX will chuck dozens of them into space next year on every Starship launch.

>>16838275
It also delivers that capacity from Geo instead of LEO, which is objectively more impressive.

>>16838270
and their minions, yes

Jared is Blue-Approved

>>16838279
Not really

>>16838289
Time to take oldspace behind the shed once and for all

Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Bechtel etc should be blackballed from NASA contracts due to scamming and incompetence
they are simply unreliable partners and contractors, they won't change (for the better) at this point, that almost never happens for mature old companies

>>16838301
If Jared reads Casey's last article, he might sic NASA's lawyers on Locksneed. Cancelling SLS/Orion is not enough.

>Greg Autry still not confirmed
What are we waiting for?

>>16838305
We can hope, though I wonder how many of the lawyers are on the take. That's the problem with NASA, the rot permeates almost all of senior management.

https://x.com/davesgoldman/status/1986261780016894312

https://archive.is/F0vg3
>In a separate vote, the FCC also advanced a proposal to revise siting rules for Earth stations operating in high-frequency upper microwave (UMFUS) bands, aiming to make it easier for companies to build and license new satellite ground infrastructure.
>“We’re confident that the changes we propose in this item will help Earth stations and terrestrial 5G operators use these frequency bands more intensively, while living side by side in their operations,” Carr said

>>16838270
There are multiple enemies of man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpTVSdeb6Fg
>"One last shower of flames from the old launch mount" | SpaceX Starbase

Here's what I'm thinking for the fastest Moon return architecture:
1 HLS Starship + heat shield (!) launched with astronauts
2-3 expendable Starship tankers, refueling HLS directly (no depot)
HLS > lunar equator (yes I know boo hoo but it's simpler)
Short EVAs with slightly upgraded SpaceX EVA suits (or no EVAs at all on the first go if suits aren't ready lol)
HLS return to Earth directly

>>16838332
Lunar equator is worthless
We're trying to lay claim to the south pole before the devious chinaman does

>>16838334
Yeah I know, trying to simplify mission ops. Guess as long as there isn't a big prop hit, it's not that much more complex relatively

HLS moonship WILL have flaps AND tiles

https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1986202667199439006
clip

NET New Glenn is November 9

>>16838350
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1986201029621268574

kind of funny that neither Rocketlab nor Blue Origin mention the other company in their X posts
almost seems like both go out of their way not to mention that

Escapade is also an example of using commercial providers to build cheap satellite buses
there is a lot science that could be done with 25bil per year if it didn't go to pointless grift

>>16838350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJpt0MPmr7Y

>>16838231
The ISS has autistic anti-fire rules that basically outlaws hot food.

>>16838231
They have to eat dehydrated, microwaved tendies and slop, rather than a full hog, succulent Chinese meal.

>>16838363
There is insufficient research on fire dynamics in space. More research is required.

>>16838268
>US gov writes a piece of paper that sends China every job
>China uses it to become a superpower
>US gov says China is your personal enemy now
>US gov changes every goal to competing with China
>doesn't unwrite the piece of paper

>>16838376
>More research is required.
If only we had some sort of science platform up there to test that sort of thing.

>>16838384
>China releases a bioweapon then lies about it
yeah

>>16838387
>US gov funded and run lab

>>16838390
lmao, no
WIV was and is 100% funded and run by the CCP
Shi Zhengli never received a dime from the US

>>16838391
In that case
>US gov response
The only thing I'm capable of feeling about the racially homogeneous country with trains and manufacturing is envy. If my government really had a problem with them they would just revoke the laws that prop up their economy. They don't, which means everything (including you personally wanting to fight them and COVID) is according to plan

>Since the Trump administration took over and proposed deep budget cuts, there has been an exodus from the agency — with many of those who remain feeling demoralized and unsure about the future of their work.

Oh, that is so sad!

>>16838397
go live there if you think it's so great
in any case get the fuck off my board
this is spaceflight general not china glazing general, plenty of those on >>>/pol/

>>16838399
>sending me to /pol/
You started it you jingoistic retard. Enjoy getting your penis blown off by a $4 chink drone because the jews told you to

>White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles reportedly told Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy to 'knock it off' after he made attempts to become NASA's permanent boss

Duff bitch slapped.

>>16838398
getting rid of the DEI dead weight is critical for the continued function of NASA

>>16838398
>political activists make propaganda article about NASA

https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/echostar-sell-more-spectrum-licenses-spacex-26-billion-2025-11-06/

if this continues then buying echostar as a proxy for SpaceX might become viable

>>16838416
if the sales go through, they would hold 11.1bil in SpaceX stock which would be over 50% of their current market cap

>Inspiring day in LA with future leaders in space and STEM! We joined interns from the National Indigenous Space Academy, currently at NASA JPL, and a delegation from the CSIRO’s Young Indigenous Women’s STEM Academy on visits to RocketLab and Varda Space Industries.

>From satellites to cutting-edge tech, everyone gained incredible insights into the innovation driving the space industry. It was fantastic to see these brilliant young minds engaging with the next frontier - and showcasing Indigenous excellence in STEM.

The indigenous students gave JPL a magic stick. JPL just gave the students a weird look back.

Good logo. Can't really make a patch out of it, but pretty sweet.

Wonder what there guys are up to...

Must be pretty awesome stuff....

>>16838350
>>16838351
>blue origin refusing to acknowledge rocketlab's role in the project
OH NO NO NO

LOL! Yeah that's much more impressive than Elon's 100 ton capacity reusable moon lander.

>>16838435
>fat and retarded
yeah

>>16837806
>JPL grifts money, next
This. I fucking hate the way JPL takes my tax dollars and does actual space exploration instead of blowing up a meme rocket repeatedly because of some pathetic space colonization fantasy dreamed up in ketamine haze. Fuck science and learning about our place in the universe, amirite?

>>16838432
Looks like standard hotel lobby

>>16838439
NASA does not fund any of SpaceX blowing up their rockets. In fact, NASA only funds the successful launches. Its payment on delivery. Not payment on failure. All the failures of SpaceX are paid for by SpaceX.

>>16838439
>does actual space exploration
one 10bil rube goldberg grift per 10 years
there are better ways to do it but JPL goes out of its way to actively block anything that might threaten their gravy train keeping actual advancements very incremental and minimal
Fuck JPL

>>16838398
>(((Some say)))
>(((Staffers told)))
ok wapo

>>16838451
Damn I forgot how good he was. Infinite word count has been a disaster

>>16838451
lol is this real

>>16838455
Amazon Washington Post is weak.

>>16838441
Given that NASA takes spacex's word for it when rocket plunging into the ocean with a banana on board is a "successful flight", that really isn't saying much.

>>16838443
Go ahead and ask Grok right now who's had more successful missions to Mars... SpaceX or JPL. Go for it.

>>16838461
You just wait until they develop their tech tracks, then you'll see!

>>16838465
this isn't about SpaceX you retard, there are other companies out there
>>16838351
>>16838362

also mentioning SpaceX in the context of a successful mars mission is actually fucking comical considering that JPL actively blocked red dragon from happening
which is the exact problem I was talking about in the first place

>>16838465
NASA takes the word for it when SpaceX reaches performance metrics. The structure of SpaceX contract is setup so that its only paid on delivery. Where as with any legacy contract, the more you delay, the more NASA get bilked. All the failures for SLS gets paid for by tax payers. $100 billion dollars for SLS rocket is a scam

>>16838461
>New Glenn will deliver payload to Mars before Starship
Felon Huskies are having a meltdown.

>>16838470
>a Falcon Heavy clone is comparable to Starship
Blue Organoids in denial

>>16838472
Starship is comparable to New Shepard, both are suborbital.

>>16838467
You called JPL a "grift". So if it's a grift to successfully explore the outer solar system, what do you call launching bananas into the Indian Ocean when you were given money for a moon landing system instead? The comparison is enlightening.

>>16838469
>All the failures for SLS gets paid for by tax payers.
I'll keep that in mind for the first time SLS fails. Last I checked, it's first and only flight was a wild success. Unless you're trying to call a pair of scrubs a failure, which is a little unusual.

>>16838474
SpaceX is paid on milestones reached, them launching bananas into the Indian Ocean is something they paid themselves and does not matter in this particular discussion

>>16838475
it has launched once after being in development for 20 fucking years and cost 60bil
its a fucking joke
simply launching something is not an accomplishment in vacuum

>>16838475
20 years in development delays
$100 billion in cost

Thats the cost of failure. Now, each of SLS launch costs close to $7 billion per launch, fully expended each time.

>>16838479
I swear SLS launch cost goes up everytime I see it quoted.

>>16838480
They have to rebuild/research new ways to fix the heatshield tiles and MLC. Shits expensive and those costs extra billions, the MLC alone is now close to $3B.

>>16838480
100bil is the whole Artemis program

>>16838480
because the oldspace contractors keep the grift going
to point isn't to launch anything, its to suck as much money for as long as possible and they have been very good at that

>>16838481
MLC was originally supposed to cost $500 million and its bubbled up from that lmao. Heat shield hasnt been accounted for yet, but I bet its close to another billion.

>>16838223
people like to harp on AI but it genuinely has a place in the sciences as a way to accelerate discovery in the same way traditional computing has. That's where the real money is, not in the lame generative images

Protein folding with AI is already huge. Material science breakthroughs and structural optimizations would help a lot, both of which can be done with large AI models

>>16838485
they are also purposefully using very outdated heatshield material technology

>>16838486
yeah and that is just one of the applications
some people seem to have a really narrow view of what AI is
even the chatbots themselves are increasing researcher productivity and if they get good enough (they might or might not be there depending on the subject) they could basically work as a junior partner for a researcher, or a intern i.e. increase productivity

So Tuesday's election made Trump realize he needs Musk's support in the midterms?

>>16838465
Grok -- who effed up a Mars mission? Most egregious example.

>Sure thing! The Mars Climate Orbiter, built at a cost of $125 million, was a 638-kilogram robotic space probe launched by NASA on December 11, 1998, to study the Martian climate, Martian atmosphere, and surface changes. In addition, its function was to act as the communications relay in the Mars Surveyor ’98 program for the Mars Polar Lander. The navigation team at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) used the metric system of millimeters and meters in its calculations, while Lockheed Martin Astronautics in Denver, Colorado, which designed and built the spacecraft, provided crucial acceleration data in the English system of inches, feet, and pounds. JPL engineers did not take into consideration that the units had been converted, i.e., the acceleration readings measured in English units of pound-seconds^2 for a metric measure of force called newton-seconds^2.

Thousands of JPL employees all missed that?

>Yes!

Some Chinese space statistics

>>16838495
Grok fact check and comparison in context

>>16838496
Absolutely wrong numbers.

>>16838496
It's seems quite inaccurate to label ISR as military/dual-use and comms/navigation as commercial

>>16838439
Unironically this. Space exploration should wait until launch costs plummet and we have colonies on Moon and Mars. Then it will be much, much more efficient to do space science, too. Billion dolar rovers are just theft of precious taxpayer money.

>>16838469
>SpaceX is only paid on delivery
SpaceX is paid for reaching milestones on the HLS contract, and a huge chunk of the money is for early milestones that are easy to reach. The HLS contract is basically structured as NASA giving an interest-free loan to SpaceX. The longer SpaceX delays HLS, the longer they get to benefit from this interest-free loan. The way the HLS contract is structured, SpaceX has an incentive to delay HLS, up to just before the moment BO is ready to land.

>>16838505
What the fuck are you talking about? The money is only awarded at the end of milestone. The longer they delay, the less valuable the money is when they reach the milestones as inflation eats up 20-30% of the monetary value.

>>16838305
The NASA administrator has no authority to cancel SLS/Orion. The projects are mandated by Congress.

>>16838224
I don't think it's possible with current technology

>>16838479
>Thats the cost of failure.
Whoa. You're so incredibly smart I totally didn't say how you altered the meaning of the word "failure".

>>16838492
Whoa. You're so incredibly smart I totally didn't see how you didn't address the original question at all.

>>16838498
May we see the right numbers you have?

>>16838397
China isn't racially homogeneous. You might be thinking of a different Asian country. It's something like 80-90% Han.

>>16838510
You're getting fired fag

>>16838507
From CNBC:
>According to USA Spending, which tracks federal contracts, NASA has already paid approximately $2.7 billion to SpaceX for the “design, development, manufacture, test, launch, demonstration and engineering support” of the HLS. The agency is obligated to pay around another $300 million for milestones SpaceX achieved, and Musk’s company stands to earn a total of $4.5 billion (or another $1.5 billion) from the HLS contract if they achieve all milestones.

usapending.gov link:
https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_80MSFC20C0034_8000_-NONE-_-NONE-

SpaceX got $3B for reaching easy early milestones. The actual building, testing and launching the actual lander will earn them just another $1.5B.

>>16838437
kek

>>16838460
https://x.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1084627451983073280

>>16838514
they have already built and tested many of the systems you retard

>>16838514
>SpaceX got $3B for reaching easy early milestones

Which easy milestones?

>>16838517
>>16838517
https://www.spacex.com/updates

>>16838513
From what? I'm literally an objective Observer who can't help but notice the Chinese are beating us back to the Moon while your peanut gallery whines that JPL costs a lot of money to do very complicated things that's still haven't been duplicated by the supposedly cheaper alternative.

>>16838520
我肏你爷爷的屁眼

>>16838520
they haven't been replicated because JPL has been actively blocking them yes
not because someone else couldn't have done them

>>16838517
SpaceX has so far done very little that they wouldn't have done anyway even if they had received no HLS contract. And still NASA structured the contract such that they got $3B for it. It's essentially NASA giving SpaceX a $3B interest-free loan. The sooner SpaceX starts spending heavily on work for the dedicated HLS aspects that have no Starlink applications, the sooner SpaceX starts to "pay back" the loan. Thus SpaceX is incentivized to delay dedicated work on HLS as long as is possible.

>>16838523
this is simply false >>16838519

>>16838510
Grok who are the worst villains in the History of Science?

>Why that would be JPL again. JPL contaminated an entire planet with their filth, destroying any chance for the unambiguous discovery of Martian Life!

See the JPL Troon Defense Force is out today. Guess having their bottom surgery during the furlough gives them time to post.

>>16838522
That's a very nice cope, but I think the fact is that SpaceX just can't get the job done. They're very good at lifting puny payloads into orbit with their one-trick pony Falcon 9 rocket but when it comes to bigger missions, you're just going to have to pay for experience, lol. Or watch the Chinese win. guess that's the choice Trump just committed to with that Isaacman clown. Talk to you later, and please tell Mr Musk "thank you: for wasting my fucking tax dollars.

Grok did she deserve to die? Did JPL do the right thing by murdering her?

>No! She was young and innocent. She had so much to give the world!

>>16838524
I'm not saying they have done zero work. I'm saying that the contract is structured such that SpaceX is incentivized to delay the work that is expensive and has no applications outside HLS. Simultaneously SpaceX is, of course, incentivized to do all the cheap work as soon as possible to that they can get the milestone payments as soon as possible.

How much of the work on that list looks expensive to you? Does it look like $3B worth of work?

New starship nosecone has the refuelling ports

>>16838530
>>16838532
you are wrong and retarded on all points

>>16838534
I repeat: does that list look like $3B worth of work to you?

>>16838532
>How much of the work on that list looks expensive to you? Does it look like $3B worth of work?
well if we go by oldspace standards, then that is extremely cheap
just the number 2 on the list (docking adapter), would be 2.5bil if NASA went with Lockheed Martin

"Nah! I'm not interested in Space Day."

"I am now interested in Space Day."

>>16838536
much more than 3b actually
>>16838537
>>16838539

>>16838537
>Well at least the taxpayer is being grifted less than on the SLS and Orion contracts
I agree

>>16838536
$3B is, by the way, is 75% of the nominal standard amount of the contract

>>16838546
10bil for a rover is ok
3bil for a human landing system on the moon is too much
you are demented

>>16838549
All the work for the complete lander and landing is supposedly worth $4B, yet the stuff on the list is worth $3B?

No, it's a $3B interest-free loan to SpaceX for several years, and then a final $1B. So the value is actually significantly more than the nominal $4B.

By the way, I'm not complaining about the grift as much as I'm complaining about how it incentivizes SpaceX to delay completing HLS

>10bil for a rover is ok
No, it's not ok

Let's say a moon of Planet 9 would have life as intelligent as humans but their main livingspace is the ocean, how likely would it be that we would have detected them already?

>>16838305
retard

>>16838514
Seems pretty smart to tie payments to milestones. It would be a disastrous incentive if they just kept paying SpaceX even if the program slowed to a crawl taking decades to do anything.

Good morning sirs, I hate HLS and Orion.
Seriously, this whole discussion made me think that by the total cost of these two debacles we could have paid 6 Curiosity missions. Or another Hubble telescope. Or a probe to any planet you would like (with spare change).

>>16838562
>HLS
Meant SLS. FUCK.

>>16838562
the actual cost of the starship program to spacex has been something like 30b
3b is nothing, NASA is basically getting a massive moon semi-truck for free

Rovertards are worse the SLShills btw

>>16838563
>your hate is so fire that you used the wrong letters
checks out

>>16838564
It was a typo, SpaceX HLS is fine, it's SLS that should be cancelled and every day that it still exists is another day that money is being burned.

>>16838560
What would be smart would be if the amount paid for completing a milestone was in proportion to the cost required to complete the milestone, because then SpaceX wouldn't be incentivized to slow-walk costly-to-complete milestones.

What would be even smarter would be if the later milestones where disproportionately lucrative, because then SpaceX was incentivized to complete the contract as fast as possible.

The way the contract is structured now, SpaceX is incentivized to complete the milestones with low cost-to-payout ratio as quickly as possible, and then delay the milestones with high cost-to-payout ratio for as long as possible. Each year SpaceX can delay the costly-to-complete milestones is another year they de facto benefit from an interest-free loan.

>>16838570
>
What would be smart would be if the amount paid for completing a milestone was in proportion to the cost required to complete the milestone, because then SpaceX wouldn't be incentivized to slow-walk costly-to-complete milestones.
this is something that you have simply made up but keep repeating like its a fact and then start building some theories on top of it
you pulled it out of your ass

>>16838562
SLS and Orion have existed in one form or the other (let’s just say Constellation and SLS are essentially the same thing here) for twenty years. They don’t serve Artemis. They serve a vague notion of “some sort of lunar program” or “ummm a deep-space asteroid return mission”… that is to say, Congress doesn’t give a shit to expedite them for anything. SLS and Orion aren’t here to lower $/kg, they exist to increase the $/district

>>16838577
$3B (75%)

>>16838508
The NASA administrator can enforce all the penalties for failure to deliver that have strangely not been enforced so far

>>16838581
with zero context of actually what has been achieved, you just assume that they have done almost nothing even if the evidence shows the opposite

>>16838583
An anon posted SpaceX's own list above

>>16838570
SpaceX employee compensation is easily +$1B a year. They don't have an incentive to pull the brakes on Starship. If it turns out that Starship becomes operational and starts shitting out Starlinks while HLS Starship keeps getting delayed then you'd have a point.

>>16838580
>SLS and Orion aren’t here to lower $/kg, they exist to increase the $/district
And that's the reason I hate it, for that money there could be actual succesful missions with actual scientific value.
And all we get is pork barrel politics.
I don't care when congress spends another billion in a failed next generation fighter, but mismanaging science money feels personal.
We could for example, have had a whole Mars surveying program (a bunch of probes and rovers) even at JPL costs. Actual science that would be helpful for a Mars base.
But all we get is a bloated recycled rocket with a failed capsule.
>Hate. Let me tell you how much hate I feel at this very moment...

>>16838584
yes, they have done a shitload of ground testing on different things
basically the only things that are missing are the actual test flights (propellant depot and refilling demonstration and demo landing on the moon)
basically what you are saying here is, there should be no milestones at all, they get paid when they do a demo landing and before that they get nothing? even if 90% of the hardware has been designed and qualified and so on

you know that SpaceX is actually an anomaly with the number of test flights it does compared to the rest of the space industry right?
you basically want to start treating them with a completely different standard (in fact they are already if you compare what they get compared to other bidders, they get paid less for doing more)

>>16838592
>basically what you are saying here is, there should be no milestones at all
No, I'm saying the milestones so far completed aren't worth 75% of the total amount.

>yes, they have done a shitload of ground testing on different things
Is it anywhere near a 75%-of-contract load?

>you know that SpaceX is actually an anomaly with the number of test flights it does compared to the rest of the space industry right?
Yeah, this makes sense to do when you already have production lines churning out hardware but your rocket design still isn't ready, so there is little opportunity cost in blowing the hardware up. And back in the day it made sense to sacrifice a small payload penalty to test landing with the spent F9 stages that were going to crash into the ocean anyway, especially if the margin wasn't needed by the payload anyway

>>16838595
>I'm saying the milestones so far completed aren't worth 75% of the total amount
What milestones have been completed?

>>16838597
SpaceX's own list was posted above
>>16838519

>>16838587
>If it turns out that Starship becomes operational and starts shitting out Starlinks while HLS Starship keeps getting delayed then you'd have a point.
We'll have to see what happens. I think a lot depends on whether Trump tries to exert pressure on Musk. Republicans' Tuesday disaster and the fact that Trump immediately after nominated Isaacman for NASA administrator suggests that Trump has decided that Musk's support for the midterms is more important to him than trying to achieve a moon landing before his term ends is.

>>16838587
>If it turns out that Starship becomes operational and starts shitting out Starlinks while HLS Starship keeps getting delayed then you'd have a point.
We'll have to see what happens. I think a lot depends on whether Trump tries to exert pressure on Musk. Republicans' Tuesday disaster and the fact that Trump immediately after nominated Isaacman for NASA administrator suggests that Trump has decided that Musk's support in the midterms is more important than trying to achieve a moon landing before his term ends.

>>16838608
if Trump truly wants that, they would have to let SpaceX do it completely by themselves

>>16837811
The PR of "Chinese are grilling in space" is worth the risk of droplets floating around and stinking the place up. Expect Chinese astronauts on the Moon to film themselves golfing followed by a a grill party.

>>16838618
>golfing
Too American and bourgeoisie, Xi will demmand a ping-pong match.

>>16837811
Should be safe enough, unless the station has a pure oxygen atmosphere, or exposed sensitive electrical components that could be damaged by droplets

Which would be the more ironic part of the upcoming Chinese tragedy

That they caused the debris that hit their space station, or that the space fence probably knew about it and wasn't allowed to warn them

The fact that Jack Parsons Laboratory is finally being dismantled heralds the return of the Christ

>>16838560
kek

>>16838634
truth

>>16838644
2025 YTD

>>16838644
I know this data is sorted by country but SpaceX should be their own category nonetheless

>>16838644
What happened to China?

>>16838634
spaceflight no longer belongs to Moloch

>>16838387
the vaxx was the bioweapon

>>16838658
Not long ago, in 2021, they only had 31 launches. I vaguely remembering the Elon Musk goals of launching 100/y as unfathomable, but he did it.

If you haven't seen this go watch it
Apollo 13 Survival
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt31852716/

>>16838658
Damn. Go elon

If you haven't seen this go watch it
Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109916/

>>16838682
Why would I watch jewslop when I could just listen to the recordings and telemetry?

when spaceforce bros?

>>16838694
get that delta wing shit out of here

>>16838694
one of the stated objectives of the sixth generation fighter program is the ability to go on a sub-orbital trajectory with air-breathing engines.
whether it will actually happen is still unclear, because the feasibility studies on this are hard to do in advance before you know what the rest of the plane is going to look like, but it would be cool.

>>16838697
what's your preferred wing type then? it seems like all the cool aircraft are going towards delta wing body nowadays.

>>16838698
>one of the stated objectives of the sixth generation fighter program is the ability to go on a sub-orbital trajectory with air-breathing engines.
Why? How does that help kill people/keep pilots safe?

>>16838693
Because that documentary is 100% original footage and audio, and has some commentary by the people involved like Gene Kranz. It's not jewslop

>>16838701
doesn't it help to be able to get higher than the adversary? you could escape through a sub-orbital trajectory where the other fighter couldn't reach perhaps, or insert directly into your target without having to fly through anti-air

so basically jump right where you want to, either to the enemy or away from the enemy

>>16838701
If I had to guess, if you're doing land-based force projection and need to get somewhere else (on the other side of an ocean) in a hurry you're going to zoom climb into space and come back down where you need to be
The fact that this would light you up on literally everybody's radar is probably a strike against it

sub-orbital jump -> bomb -> jump away

>>16838701
>Potential capability for suborbital flight to achieve global reach, evade defenses, and satellite operations.[6]
it doesn't mention air-breathing engines, so maybe they'll give it manuevering thrusters as well?

I could see it being relatively safe to be on a suborbital trajectory, since it usually also means you're moving very fast.
surface to air missiles have a greater distance to travel, and need to catch up with you.
the radar signature of the fighter becomes more difficult to pick up across the increased distance, and it's already hard to pick up on, because they want to lean further into stealth.

I remember reading about how the blackbird dealt with anti air missiles, which might apply here as well:
>If a surface-to-air missile launch was detected, the standard evasive action was to accelerate and outpace the missile.[5]

since they also want to use those sixth-gen jets as command centers for the cheaper more numerous other planes and drones out there, being high up would give it a greater line of sight for direct communication across the friendly UAV swarm, which is the actual thing the enemy will be in contact with.

>>16838708
assuming both sides had eyes everywhere from satellites then wouldn't both sides know where all the materiel is at all times anyway?

>>16838712
Yeah, but your materiel isn't moving on a ballistic arc glowing just about as hot as the sun, largest cross-section oriented normal to the plane of travel, straight at somebody with hypersonic weapons

>>16838658
>felon mustard > rest of the world combined
of course, every single time

>>16838582
we're still strangely waiting for the other parts of Artemis III that it would need to integrate with

>>16838644
>>16838658
fellow country of europebros?

>>16838720
everyone treats Europe like a country because each individual country in Europe is poorer and less relevant and a typical US State

>>16837840
feel again

Odds on NG booster landing this time?

>>16838726
Never tell me the odds

>>16838726
cincuenta cincuenta

>>16838727
everything is 50/50 either it happens or it doesn't

>>16838069
>>16838721
lol.
lmao, even.

>>16838729
Chud's postulate

>>16838722
nonsense, we had our first astronaut in the 15th century (didn't make it to orbit)

>>16838732
>he doesn't deny that Europe is a country

Just conglomerate the EU at this point it's just pathetic

i'm bored, any launches today?

>>16838733
Conglomeration is the problem

>>16838736
none of Europe's countries are relavent on the global stage aside from like germany and thats it. The whole point of the EU was to compete with the economic powerhouse that is the United States

>>16838738
>aside from like germany
and france, and the uk, and italy

>>16838739
>and the uk

not part of the EU

>italy
they are at least doing some space stuff

>france
wet fart

>>16838738
>none of Europe's countries are relavent on the global stage
Gee, they used to be, I wonder what changed?

>>16838740
France has strategic nuclear weapons. That means relevance on the global stage.

Tesla shareholder meeting in 2h where we find out if Musk gets his 2025 CEO compensation package that would grant him 12% of the company if he reaches all the tranches and that would naively correspond to about 1T on paper in Tesla stock at that 8.5T valuation
should help with mars colonization if cash became a problem

>>16838752
Moon industrialization*

>>16838753
moon industrialization should be a money maker at some point
I still don't see a way to make money from Mars other than perhaps owning some stuff inside its separate market
but it would mostly be a separate market from the earth-moon market and a net drain

Isaacman renomination wins support from much of the space industry

>>16838754
I guess you could turn Mars materials into extremely expensive luxury items and ship it to Earth.

Luckily any cost overruns are paid out of pocket by SpaceX, unlike the Locksneed/Boing grifts

>>16838759
that doesn't scale

new thing announced

>>16838732
china still beat you guys to space

>>16838767
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G5Fu6EBbIAILl6F?format=jpg&name=large

>>16838770
Built to provide a federated, rapid response capability in Earth orbit, the Diamondback can be outfitted to support both Tactically Responsive Space missions and carry multiple space-based interceptors to defend the world against ICBMs

>>16838657
please go back to whatever shizo hole you crawled out of

>>16838721
>After construction began in 2011, the project was beset by hunger strikes, claims of unpaid workers, and the theft of $126 million.
>Additionally, a man driving a diamond-encrusted Mercedes was arrested after embezzling $75,000.
amazing

>>16837796 (OP)
To prove you aren't a mindless Felon Huskie, say 3 positive thing about SLS.

>>16838721
oh shit, I assumed this was their ongoing feud with Kazakhstan at their legacy spaceport in Baikonour. But no, this is due to corruption at their brand new site at Vostochny. Very embarrassing.

>>16838781
It's very good to the pockets of politicians and CEO's
It's reusing historic parts rather than let them gather dust at a space museum
It's been making people think about going to the Moon again

>>16838781
3 positive thing about SLS.

>>16838781
It's long and hard like my cock
It's expensive like a high class escort
It's not premature and takes a while to launch its load

>>16838781
It looks cool
It funnels money into the pockets of old white men (the most deserving group)
It… no I guess I can only think of two

>>16838781
it makes new space companies look good in comparison
it reminds people how much grift is actually going on in congress and the senate (if this is happening, what else is?)
it ultimately resulted in a contract to SpaceX that made them do at least something with respect to the moon

>>16838781
Big rocket classic NASA
Carries Orion which is less of a disappointment (but still one)
PLUUUUUUMES

>>16838752
Its only ~$60-70B in today's share, but if you take it to shares back 7 years or so, thats only like $7B. So its just 7 years of backpay in stock, moved forward to 10 years. Its kind of a shit pay tbqh, he has to do all these extra work for what he had already done 7 years ago, with no pay.

>>16838781
I choke on Elon cock happily

>>16838752
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1LyGBXwkNlYxN

>>16838803
>Big rocket classic NASA
https://youtu.be/AbAYMRGyuEA?t=47
I really wish that it was an actual rocket and not an anemic pyrotechnic show pretending to be one.

LRBs or SRBs?

>>16838701
gotta go fast

>>16838812
~$3.5B*

>>16838813
i mean, if that got us to mars faster, i would unironically do it

>>16838843
Yes, I've always said as such

>>16838849
There's nothing wrong with it if it's for the cause

>>16838822
LRBs. They're lighter overall pre-fueling, which means they're a lot easier to transport and you can use lighter GSE. Your rocket has a lower GLOW and you can liftoff with less initial thrust, and they're more efficient getting Ns/Kg. Solids are technically cheaper in some circumstances, mostly if you've got a well-established ballistic missile industry you can lean on.

>>16838822
Large rocket boosters are obviously better than Small rocket boosters

>>16838752
>8.5T valuation
that's a big if there.

>>16838871
also requires 3 consecutive years of 400bil EBITDA, which would probably mean a much higher valuation than 8.5T

>>16838878
New Glenn will deliver payload to the Moon AND to Mars BEFORE Starshit.

>>16838878
yeah sure, not happening

new gleh

>>16838888
fake

THE DRAGON CALLS FOR AID

>>16838512
(protip: the Han use their overwhelming majority to ensure that they have 100% of the power and total control over the 10-20% minority)

>>16838891
>And the Dragon will answer

no that doesn't work fuckit they can figure it out on their own

>>16838777
>shut it down

>>16838893
Are the docking ports even compatible? Not that it would stop SpaceX but this isn't happening to begin with in any case.

>>16838891
>unknown object damaged their ship
maybe it was a piece of that satellite they blew up causing a huge debris cloud?

>>16838896
Based on Russian Mir 2 designs, so I seriously doubt it.

>>16838891
>A global plea is growing for Elon Musk to rescue three Chinese astronauts stranded in space after their return capsule was struck by an 'unknown object.'
>'Send Elon,' one user posted on X. Another wrote, 'When you're stuck in space, who you gonna call? Elon Musk and SpaceX.'

>Thinks is a Chinese official
>Is actually just randoms on xitter
I hate yellow paper journalism.
Anyway, any new info? Pics? Even gossip? Even "My dad works at PLA" type of stuff?

>>16838759
there's probably a market for mars water from ice, which has never been in urine

SpaceX stream is live

>>16838879
>payload
>LOOK WE SENT A ROVER AND A PROBE IN OUR FALCON HEAVY CLONE

>>16838880
i wish blue moon mk 1 wasnt 10kg

>>16838912
They seem to be always expending the center core with FH nowadays. It is not fair to call NG a clone.

>>16838822
liquid fueled, if the same fuel as the booster
solid boosters only have two purposes:
1. make up for the shitty thrust of your hydrolox or hypergolic core stage, a design fault
2. helping with the economics of your country's ICBM industry by increasing volume of production

another successful booster landing

>>16838897
that would be the ultimate karma. I hope it turns out to be true

>>16838903
I doubt the chinese will allow any "rescue", that would be such a massive loss of face that they would probably prefer for them to die if it came to it

>>16838923
>They seem to be always expending the center core with FH nowadays
They literally have to. FH just doesn't work without expending the center core

Nuclear energy is key to American leadership in space

>>16838943
Nuclear energy is key to American leadership period

>>16838945
Nuclear energy is key

>>16838946
Nuclear energy

>>16838947
Nuclear

>>16838546
SpaceX isn't spending enough money for this to be grift. Their CAPEX is on par with what the oil and gas industry spends on infrastructure at this scale.

Anyone else's algorithm on X showing you the exact opposite of what you want? The fuck is going on?

Solar is THE WAY. If you don't agree then you disagree with ELON MUSK!

>>16838949
Clear

>>16838954
N

>>16838949
We did it reddit

>>16838952
Solar beaming is awesome if pretty much sci-fi. Right there with space elevators.

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986550529569214854
>The official Atlas V forecast calls for a 50 percent chance of meeting the launch weather rules at Cape Canaveral tonight. Thick-layered clouds over the launch site and rain showers in the area are the main areas of weather concern.

$1 trillion is approved.

Ian M. Banks mentioned

10 million Optimus factory in Texas. I wonder if Tesla can rent out their robot labor to others for cheap? Construction work? Cleaning? Maintenance?

IS THIS YE?!?!?

>>16838969
what if china makes it there first?
it's their color after all

>what will spacex put on their space data centers?
Tesla AI chips

>>16838904
about time. its been almost a year

https://x.com/NWSSWPC/status/1986550851192730060
>G3 Watch remains in effect for 6-7 Nov; and now a G2 Watch is in place for 8 Nov. The latest G2 Watch is for another CME that is anticipated to reach Earth as a partial impact.

>>16838891
>A popular aerospace and science communicator, Yu Jun, who posts under the name Steed’s Scarf, said if the assessments determine it’s too high risk for the spacecraft to return, authorities would activate a “plan B”, potentially the deployment of a waiting backup ship on Earth.
they dont need Elon. and are not asking for Elon.

https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1LyGBXwkNlYxN

talking about space-based solar
with starship Musk sees that the cost could be lower than airflight

>>16838992
They need Elon

>>16838998
He said he sees a path for cost per ton on starship to be cheaper than cost per ton on a 737. Boing btfo

>maybe SpaceX should be public despite all the downsides
didn't really sound like he was very excited, so still doubt it

>>16839004
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1986571504574755308

>>16839008
>>16839004
He doesnt want to turn SpaceX into a public company. I think the best choice is to have Tesla buy a stake into SpaceX, by supplying/trading them with chips/robots.

>>16838998
man solar is so gay.

JUST

BUILD

NUCLEAR

We should be accelerooting SMRs and thorium plants NOW NOW NOW!

>>16839011
just build trillion dollar shitboxes bro

>>16839011
Bro, just start a company to launch SMR and Thorium plants NOW NOW NOW. Its a trillion dollar venture.

The F-22 and the F-35 have aura, but Orion doesn't really. I don't know what to attribute this to

>>16838541
*I* am now interested in Space Day

>>16839023
w goons

lmao, this is the kind of mentally ill retards that visit this general >>16839011
how sad

>>16838781
It's from America
It will eventually be cancelled
Jackie Chan

Arianespace is gearing up for a high cadence 2026, with 8 launches on the menu.

>>16839029
Wow so 2 whole week's worth of SpaceX activity

>>16839029
I'm feeling the same confidence as when ISRO releases some ambitious launch goals for the coming year. If Europe manages to launch 4 Ariane 6s I will be very surprised.

>>16839031
This isn't even a joke or hyperbole. I just checked wiki out of curiosity and learned there were 15 F9 launches just last month, and 17 in September.

>>16839034
The upper stage assembly team for Falcon is probably run like a slave shop lol. They went from producing 5 measly stages a year to like 200/yr, with exponential growth over a very short time. That kind of job with explosion in workload is probably difficult to grow acquainted with.

>>16838989
kek

>>16839011
@grok school this fool

>>16839011
just, like... put weapons grade uranium into a civilian facility bro... it's safer because there are no meltdowns in the main reaction.
nobody would ever steal the weapons grade uranium needed for the breeding, i heckin' love thorium!
don't mind that it's more expensive than solar, wind or hydro either, and takes decades to build. you're just scared of radiation!

BA and Iberia are the second Oneworld airline (both owned by the same parent company) to introduce Starlink

PLEASE AA SWAP OVER DUMP VIASAT PLEASSSSEEEEE

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/news/06112025/british-airways-signs-major-deal-with-starlink-to-provide-every-customer-in-every-cabin-free-wi-fi-that-feels-like-home-another-big-investment-for-the-airline-as-part-of-its-7bn-transformation-journey
https://grupo.iberia.com/news/06112025/iberia-to-offer-free-high-speed-wifi-to-all-customers

>>16839036
>The upper stage assembly team for Falcon is probably run like a slave shop lol
SpaceX in general is
The saving grace is that it's just a factory at this point for F9 S2s, hopefully.

>to get the $1 trillion tesla payout, elon needs to sell at least 1 million optimus bots
so thats why he's pushing optimus on mars so much. he's going to make spacex buy a million of them.

why did he make the robots humanoid?
that's stupid.
what's the point of having an awkwardly wobbling bipedal robot instead of one of those boston dynamics dogs with an arm or two coming from its back?
why the chest and head?
why was money put into constraining the engineers to make something human shaped, instead of having the form follow the function?
who would buy an optimus to vacuum the house instead of buying a roombah?

>>16839056
I can't fuck my roomba while it tries to do all the chores around the house

>>16839056
because civilization is designed for humanoids.
don't be dumb.

>a TRILLION (1.000.000.000.000) dollars
Elon 'order of magnitude' musk does it again

>>16839062
thats an order of magnitude more than he does now

>>16839056
so that you don't have to redesign the whole fucking world around the robots
Telsa already makes non-humanoid robots: the cars

>>16839063
order of magnitude of orders of magnitude

we must make robots in our own image

>>16839059
that's quitter talk

>>16839004
>maybe SpaceX should be public despite all the downsides
??????
was he on drugs while saying this

>>16839056
You should start your own company and destroy Tesla with your superior ideas

the sky crane worked
like goddamn anons
holy shit
the fucking Curiosity sky crane worked

>>16839064
but i don't need a robot that does everything, i need a robot that does a limited set of things, and the specialist robots for those tasks are significantly cheaper than one that can walk on two legs without falling over.
they're not even done designing that one, and i doubt they will be within my lifetime.
redesigning the whole fucking world around the robots is cheaper and easier than making an artifical human.
making it human shaped is just investor bait again.
>>16839074
non-humanoid robots already exist, and it's a competitive market out there.
functioning humanoid robots don't.

>>16839076
you have a smooth brain, unironically. you can't see the big picture.
you are a humanoid, you can do all human tasks. therefore a humanoid robot can also do them. ONE robot.
idiot

>>16839076
you are subtarded

>>16839076
ok, please explain how a SINGLE humanoid robot that can dice carrots, load dishwasher, get mail from mailbox, weed the garden, dust window shades, etcetcetcetcetcetcetc is worse than... whatever the hell you're thinking of? please explain to the class your idea of a specialist robot for dicing carrots. remember it has to get the carrots from your veg drawer, cut them, dispose of the bad bits, and place them in a container. sounds like a humanoid robot to me, pal
you're ngmi

>>16839076
>but i don't need a robot that does everything, i need a robot that does a limited set of things
what's your personal budget? if it's less than a few tens of billions of dollars, your personal preferences are irrelevant
given that you're likely on public assistance, your net negative robot budget is doubly insignificant

>>16839076
i didn't read your post, but i see that all the other anons are insulting you so i'll agree with them: retard.

remind me to shit talk humanoid robots if I ever want instant and easy (You)s on esefgee kek

Meme McCulloch drive status?

>>16838998
>space-based solar
this is the guy that would fire people for talking about space elevators. sad

>>16839087
degassing

at this point the mechanical design is pretty much solved, if you mush the best bits of the 12 or so competing humanoid robot companies's's designs's together you get something that can do everything but like complicated soldering or removing those tiny 1x1 smooth studs on LEGO sets.

so the main thing left is the software, such that you don't need ActuallyIndians tele operating em. Is Tesla really the right company for that aspect of it? FSD is nice and all, but this is orders of magnitude more complicated

>>16839088
elon space based solar is not for you, filthy FUCKING earther

space paternoster

>>16839081
>what's your personal budget? if it's less than a few tens of billions of dollars, your personal preferences are irrelevant
who cares what the petrodollar retards in dubai want?
sure, they'll buy the optimuses, they'll replace their house slaves with ten times as many house robots, because they have infinite money and were retarded enough to fund dubai and neom.
doesn't make optimus or neom or anything else they like a good idea.
it'll get funded, it'll get built, it'll suck, and mohamed bin salman will behead you at the embassy if you say that out loud.

a lawnmower robot is cheaper than a human sized lawnmower, even without the humanoid robot.
a vacuum robot is cheaper than a human sized vacuum, even without a human moving it.

there are no good robotic chefs around yet, but that's because it's a weird niche.
food can be utilitarian or it can be art, and if you want it to be art, you don't want it to be cooked by a robot, but a person, for the same reason nobody appreciates AI art.
if you want your food to be quick and easy. there are industrial machines that can chop and freeze vegetables for you, they are much more efficient than anything human shaped could ever hope to be, and factory-made food meets most people's standards, seeing how the food that the burrito taxi brings you is mostly stuff that came frozen in a bag from the food factory produced and packaged by the cooking robots that have been around for decades.

if you are willing to spend money on a tremendously expensive humanoid robot to bring you the mail and chop your carrots, you can afford an entire harem of human slaves to do so as well, and you probably own some already, since you're from an oil producing country in the middle east.
they don't make people that rich and dumb where i'm from.

>>16839023
Man will build cathedrals in space

>>16839096
>remendously expensive humanoid robot to bring you the mail and chop your carrots,
you don't get it. It will be cheap as shit. A base Tesla is like $35,000. An Optimus has 1/10th the raw materials. Less cost to ship it to you. etc. It will be ungodly cheap.
you really really just don't get it

>>16839096
You have no idea how much I'm willing to pay for convenience.

the Hawthorne SpaceX-adjacent airport has been bought by this company https://www.investors.archer.com/news/news-details/2025/Archer-To-Acquire-Los-Angeles-Airport-As-Strategic-Air-Taxi-Network-Hub-and-AI-Testbed/default.aspx

>>16839099
when?
when grok knows how to do those things?
do you think AGI is around the corner?
if AGI is not the answer, every single one of those specific tasks would require its own specialized software.
that shit's expensive. usually a lot more expensive than the hardware.

they haven't even figured out how to make teslas drive autonomously through the vegas loop, and you think that this is a project that can succeed in your lifetime?

a human-piloted optimus could be useful on a space station maybe.
or in a country where slavery is illegal, but an uplink to a remote slave is not.
is that the trick here?

>>16839103
build a guest bedroom for your house and sign up for an au pair.
you'll get a free maid who will cook food and replace the bags of your roomba in exchange for getting to stay at your house.
your mileage may vary, but au pairs are real and robotic maids aren't.

What happens if GOP gets rinsed in 2026? Will it mess up Isaacman's plans to enact significant change at NASA?

>>16839107
>humans
no thanks

>>16839108
nothing.

>>16839107
if you don't think AI systems will be able to chop carrots by 2028 you're dumber than a rock

>>16839111
chopping carrots requires more intelligence than driving a car through a marked circle, and some of the brightest engineers in the world have been trying and failing to do that for the past 10 years.
they're making waymos helplessly stop in the middle of the road by putting a traffic cone on the hood, but optimus will know not to stumble over the dog on the way to the fridge?
with what tech?
AI is already stagnating.
get a thermomix. that's as close as you're going to get this decade.
the first carrots chopped by optimus will secretly be chopped by an indian pilot, mark my words.

I remember when this thread was about spaceflight and other space-related things
now it's about some rich guy and the stuff he "plans on doing" and LEO and sat internet and some experimental rockets that haven't even reached orbit and probably never will get anywhere else without sending more than a dozen of them

sad.

>>16838954
Finally pared it down to the essentials!

>>16839117
this thread began with starhopper tankwatching you newfag tourist
back to r/Space or spitter or whatever else shithole you crawled out of

>>16839116
my Tesla can drive though 'marked circles' just fine.

>>16839093
Software has always been less impressive than hardware. FSD isn't perfect, and that's basically just sending a rectangle along a clearly delineated path. I doubt we see this problem solved. The human brain is more complex than people imagine. "Simple" tasks involve so many variables that are automatically abstracted out subconsciously. I honestly doubt we'll see anything significant this century.

>>16839117
The general was created because some rich guy wanted to go to mars.

>>16839119
I remember when I made that quadruple-launch launch thread that was part of the proto-/sfg/ pre-history many moons ago.... ahh how the time flies. I wonder how many of you have died since then.

>>16839076
>One robot that does everything
>vs.
>one hundred robots at 1/10th the price but they can only do one thing
retard

even this simple task, what I call 'moving shit around', is itself a bazillion dollar value https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYwekersccY

>>16839126
Jeez. Boston dynamics really fell off hard

>>16839117
Here's an idea, instead of bitching, how about YOU post non-spaceX related news, rumors, or topics to discuss.

>>16839117
rich guy simply mogs everyone else

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1986595694770004268
>ULA Launch Director James Whelan authorized cryogenic tanking operations to begin as today's Atlas V countdown proceeds on schedule to launch the ViaSat-3 F2 satellite at 10:16 p.m. EST (0316 UTC). However, weather is currently red due to thick clouds.

>>16839117
We need to start focusing on the problems of Earth before we can think about space

>>16839133
Those damned clouds again!

>>16839124
I can't believe I've been in this general for almost 5 years. My goodness, I've wasted my life... meh, we gaan

https://x.com/innospacecorp/status/1986587322708832469
>Our first commercial mission, “SPACEWARD,” is targeting launch on November 22 at 3 PM (BRT). HANBIT-Nano will lift off from the Alcântara Space Center in Brazil to deploy customer satellites into low Earth orbit (LEO) at 300 km altitude and 40° inclination, while also carrying experimental payloads for in-flight demonstrations.
>We are Go for launch! Stay tuned for more updates.

>>16839139
First successful orbital rocket from alcantara?

>>16839146
And first first orbital flight of a hybrid rocket, since Gilmour isn't getting back to the pad any time soon

>>16839137
some of us have been here for all of its almost 7 years

>>16839161
interesting design for a water tower

>>16839164
flashbacks to the Boca Chica development thread at NSF. I would refresh that page several times a day for new pics by bocachicagal.

>>16839161
ah the nomadd and Mary days

>>16839166
behold, a time capsule
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47022.0

>>16839164
lol where's that screenshot

>>16839133
>ULA scrubbed tonight's attempt to launch the ViaSat-3 F2 mission. The company said this is "due to a reoccurrence of the issue with the Atlas V booster liquid oxygen tank vent valve."
>"The team will evaluate the hardware, and we will release a new launch date when available."

>>16839044
>just, like... put weapons grade uranium into a civilian facility bro

There are nuclear reactors on college campuses. you are a retard

>>16839133
amazing launch

>>16839177
thorium.
i'm talking about thorium reactors, which require weapons grade uranium, not just any run of the mill nuclear reactor.
they're not letting you walk in and out of a facility that handles weapons grade uranium.
it costs a lot of money to not let people in and out of such a facility.
renewables have less problems and are cheaper, and the storage problem is mostly a question of efficiency, which is not a problem if you produce an excess of power.

>>16839179
i hate you, i'd rather have the ARCAspammer back

>>16838352
Rocketlab is just insanely annoying about it every time someone buys a bus from them or contracts their services.
Even Boeing isn't out here shilling for themselves so hard.

does rocketlab collect the lithium batteries their electron rockets jettison during flight, or are they enjoying the safe and legal thrill of dumping batteries into the ocean?

>>16839044
>solar, wind or hydro
These are not serious power sources

>>16839186
>enjoying the safe and legal thrill of dumping batteries into the ocean?
think of the poor dolphins

>>16839181
I don't hate you

>>16839188
why not?
put solar in the desert, and wherever there is room, power through the grid what can easily be powered through the grid (low density areas, mostly).
cities would require too much fucking with the grid, i agree.
that's where you can use the excess hydrogen you've been producing, to beat the duck curve.
you pump that shit to a gas power plant in the city.
at atmospheric pressures, hydrogen carries more energy by volume than natural gas, and natural gas power plants are tried and tested.

also:
>hydro is not a serious power source
you didn't mean to post that, right?
it's no longer a significant power source in the US, but the EU gets 30% of its power from hydro, so does china, the place that makes everything in the world.
I know not every place has the geography to build a three gorges dam, but where applicable, hydro kicks ass.
sucks for the people displaced by the reservoir, but they'll get over it. or under it.

>>16839196
>a giant kettle TO ORBIT
why haven't we thought about this before?

>>16839201
>>hydro is not a serious power source
>you didn't mean to post that, right?
I meant exactly that.
It's highly situational, and only a few locations can make any use of it.
>the EU gets 30% of its power from hydro
And that's all it's going to get. There's no more room to expand hydro.
As for solar, clouds exist, as well as the diurnal rotation of the earth.

>>16839205
there is one there already
russell's

>>16839205
we would, but Romania has a huge lead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSLBJXJpF4s

>>16839209
I don't believe in all that.

>>16839210
>4 years ago
The ARCAmania was a strange chapter in the history of spaceflight.

Clear Indian launch stream
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nlsHqcAMKcU

>>16839121
>my Tesla can drive though 'marked circles' just fine.
And cyclists, and trains, and painted tunnels on walls.

>>16839219
I'd trust these people to fix my water boiler.

>>16839219
god it would have been so much more sovlful if they weren't simultaneously doing a crypto scam and talking up the environmental impacts of their "eco" rocket

>>16839223
rockets are a little too big

>>16839206
>It's highly situational
having a mix is fine.
hydro is still good if it only powers 30% of europe and china.

>As for solar, clouds exist, as well as the diurnal rotation of the earth.
clouds and nights are only a problem if you don't have storage and excess power production to fill that storage sufficiently during sunlight (or while the wind blows/your hydro reservoir is full).
it's also less of a problem if you have a mix of power sources instead of going all in on only wind or only solar for some reason.

concentrating solar power plants are less efficient and kinda suck compared to photovoltaic, but they take care of their own power storage, which puts less stress on the other storage mechanisms.
there's also a resurgence in sodium ion batteries for grid storage, which seems like a better idea than doing the same thing with lithium ion batteries.

solar energy being cheaper than nuclear already includes the cost of storage and downtime during cloudy weather or night.
I'm sure there will be places where nuclear is still the best option, because you're in Norway, for example, and the sun won't rise for another 3 months, but that makes it more of a last resort than the superior option.

in the end, it's not a competition between nuclear and renewables though, but a competition between keeping fossil power around or building new power plants.