>>532727267
Swordbabs will downplay this.

>>532681012
>>532681541
>>532681886
Not him, but I also play control abyss. I agree with his overall sentiment in that the turn 10 satan/Dclimb plays are what generally overpowers control abyss and that without it they can probably outgrind you.

What I want to add on top of his advice is that in this matchup I have had success with abandoning the usual control abyss gameplan of carefully conserving evo points while grinding the board and instead adopting an aggressive evo strategy where I just push as much face damage through whenever I can to hopefully end things before turn 10 with an extra boost of damage from cerberus or odin. Sometimes from a slightly unexpected angle like Charon crest reanimating Vuella who gives SEVO Odin an extra boost of damage to swing 9 to the face after banishing Kuon's ward. Norman however puts a damper on that. If you see the abyss player start adopting aggressive damage plays, you'll probably want to heal. But you don't want to throw away your plans for that satan/dclimb play in the process.

Normally SEVOing charon isn't a particularly great idea. If you see them do it though, you should probably go take a look at their graveyard and ponder what they might be scheming.

>>532086901
On the one hand, Valnareik might be a card for the aggro abyss decks. On the other she might just be pushed goodstuff that makes her way into wallet aby$$ and pushes them over the 20 leggo mark.

>>531697019
Yeah. Basically I'm sperging out about the same thing.
>have a smaller stash than you since I bit the bullet and dove into Abyss during season 1. I lucked into most of the abyss stuff but I still had to craft a lot
>I don't think that I need a playset of ginsetsu, but I'll probably continue experimenting with Abyss with a playset of charons.
fast forward to today
>want to try branching out into different decks
>artifact portal seems obvious that it will remain good but I only have 1 orchis and 1 eudie
>am interested in rally sword as an ungabunga brain-off deck, but I only own a playset of alberts and nothing else.
most notable draws from my packs today were two copies of Aether in haven and two copies of Lilanthium. I did get one copy of ginsetsu.

I'm going to see what I get from my packs tomorrow. I'm due for the pity leggo. I haven't decided which precon deck to get.
>Haven would get me notable leggos but I don't know if ward haven is a meme or not
>sword would also get me two leggos for rally sword.
>abyss just gives me my 2nd ginsetsu and a vialable copy of cerb
>portal is puppets, which doesn't help artifact portal beyond orchis just being included because she's so good in a vacuum.

I REALLY wish that I could take the leggos from the crafts that I don't want to play and vial them into something useful.

Alouette is exactly the reason why a lot of followers in SV1 didn't get +2/+2 on evo.

>>530004512
we're free