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7/16/2025, 10:53:45 PM
>>510569368
there's so much DNA available by this point these posts are hilarious, while it's true modern Italians are different, Romans were basically Spanish-tier, that's it, it's pretty much settled, and Greeks were even more different; in fact, overall, the northern-most ancient Greeks like Macedonians and possibly early Dorians overall resembled central-north Italians
blondism in antiquity itself wasn't exclusive of Germanics, it's not even today, it's very possible for he maidens of Laconia to have been light haired and genetically resemble overall Italians
there's so much DNA available by this point these posts are hilarious, while it's true modern Italians are different, Romans were basically Spanish-tier, that's it, it's pretty much settled, and Greeks were even more different; in fact, overall, the northern-most ancient Greeks like Macedonians and possibly early Dorians overall resembled central-north Italians
blondism in antiquity itself wasn't exclusive of Germanics, it's not even today, it's very possible for he maidens of Laconia to have been light haired and genetically resemble overall Italians
7/9/2025, 12:38:01 PM
>>17826965
Wow, an outlier. The Mycenaeans didn't bring Yamnaya/IE to Greece, we wuz have been there all along.
>>17826964
To begin with, the Greek and Roman gods had several local variations. So there's X more IE, Y more Anatolian, and Z more Semitic, all from the same god or gods that were syncretized because they were more similar to each other than to others. But the important thing is that the version that most Greek authors choose to represent best is the Anatolian-like.
>Cicero enumerates several versions of Roman deities:
>To begin, then: they who are called theologists say that there are three Jupiters; the first and second of whom were born in Arcadia; one of whom was the son of Aether, and father of Proserpine and Bacchus; the other the son of Caelus, and father of Minerva, who is called the Goddess and inventress of war; the third one born of Saturn in the isle of Crete, where his sepulchre is shown. The sons of Jupiter (Διόσκουροι) also, among the Greeks, have many names; first, the three who at Athens have the title of Anactes: Tritopatreus, Eubuleus, and Dionysus, sons of the most ancient king Jupiter and Proserpine; the next are Castor and Pollux, sons of the third Jupiter and Leda; and, lastly, three others, by some called Alco, Melampus, and Tmolus, sons of Atreus, the son of Pelops
>There are likewise several Vulcans. The first (who had of Minerva that Apollo whom the ancient historians call the tutelary God of Athens) was the son of Coelus; the second, whom the Egyptians call Opas, and whom they looked upon as the protector of Egypt, is the son of Nilus; the third, who is said to have been the master of the forges at Lemnos, was the son of the third Jupiter and of Juno; the fourth, who possessed the islands near Sicily called Vulcaniae, was the son of Menalius. One Mercury had Coelus for his father and Dies for his mother; another, who is said to dwell in a cavern, and is the same as Trophonius, is the son of Valens and Phoronis
Wow, an outlier. The Mycenaeans didn't bring Yamnaya/IE to Greece, we wuz have been there all along.
>>17826964
To begin with, the Greek and Roman gods had several local variations. So there's X more IE, Y more Anatolian, and Z more Semitic, all from the same god or gods that were syncretized because they were more similar to each other than to others. But the important thing is that the version that most Greek authors choose to represent best is the Anatolian-like.
>Cicero enumerates several versions of Roman deities:
>To begin, then: they who are called theologists say that there are three Jupiters; the first and second of whom were born in Arcadia; one of whom was the son of Aether, and father of Proserpine and Bacchus; the other the son of Caelus, and father of Minerva, who is called the Goddess and inventress of war; the third one born of Saturn in the isle of Crete, where his sepulchre is shown. The sons of Jupiter (Διόσκουροι) also, among the Greeks, have many names; first, the three who at Athens have the title of Anactes: Tritopatreus, Eubuleus, and Dionysus, sons of the most ancient king Jupiter and Proserpine; the next are Castor and Pollux, sons of the third Jupiter and Leda; and, lastly, three others, by some called Alco, Melampus, and Tmolus, sons of Atreus, the son of Pelops
>There are likewise several Vulcans. The first (who had of Minerva that Apollo whom the ancient historians call the tutelary God of Athens) was the son of Coelus; the second, whom the Egyptians call Opas, and whom they looked upon as the protector of Egypt, is the son of Nilus; the third, who is said to have been the master of the forges at Lemnos, was the son of the third Jupiter and of Juno; the fourth, who possessed the islands near Sicily called Vulcaniae, was the son of Menalius. One Mercury had Coelus for his father and Dies for his mother; another, who is said to dwell in a cavern, and is the same as Trophonius, is the son of Valens and Phoronis
7/8/2025, 4:12:29 PM
>>17825174
Cope and Seethe.
>The Pelasgians (pre-Minoan Greeks, or Helladic Greeks) belonged to an admixture of I2, E1b1b, T and G2a. E-V13 and T probably arrived in Greece from the Levant (and ultimately from Egypt, hence the small percentage of T) in the early Neolithic, 8,500 years ago. G2a came from the Levant was picked up in Anatolia along the way by Levantine farmers and herders. Minoan Greeks migrated from Mesopotamia via Anatolia. They were mostly J2 people, but probably had some E1b1b too
>A 2017 archaeogenetics study of mtDNA polymorphisms from Mycenaean and Minoan remains published in the journal Nature concluded that the Mycenaean Greeks were genetically closely related with the Minoans, and that both are closely related, but not identical, to modern Greek populations. The same study also stated that at least three-quarters of DNA of both the Mycenaeans and the Minoans came from the first Neolithic-era farmers that lived in Western Anatolia and the Aegean Sea (Mycenaeans ~74–78%, Minoans ~84–85%) while most of the remainder came from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus and Iran (Mycenaeans ~8–17%, Minoans ~14–15%)
>Unlike the Minoans, the Mycenaeans had also "4–16% ancestry from a 'northern' ultimate source related to the hunter-gatherers of Eastern Europe and [Upper Palaeolithic] Siberia"; however, Lazaridis et al. admit that they "cannot model Mycenaeans as a mixture of Anatolian Neolithic and steppe populations [...] due to the fact that Mycenaeans have more Iran-related than EHG-related ancestry". Among the Mycenaean samples was found one Y-DNA J2a1, and two mtDNA X2, one X2d and one H
>In their archaeogenetics study, Lazaridis et al. (2017) concluded that the Minoans and the Mycenaean Greeks were genetically highly similar – but not identical – and that modern Greeks descend from these populations, ultimately proving the genetic continuity between these civilizations and modern Greeks
Cope and Seethe.
>The Pelasgians (pre-Minoan Greeks, or Helladic Greeks) belonged to an admixture of I2, E1b1b, T and G2a. E-V13 and T probably arrived in Greece from the Levant (and ultimately from Egypt, hence the small percentage of T) in the early Neolithic, 8,500 years ago. G2a came from the Levant was picked up in Anatolia along the way by Levantine farmers and herders. Minoan Greeks migrated from Mesopotamia via Anatolia. They were mostly J2 people, but probably had some E1b1b too
>A 2017 archaeogenetics study of mtDNA polymorphisms from Mycenaean and Minoan remains published in the journal Nature concluded that the Mycenaean Greeks were genetically closely related with the Minoans, and that both are closely related, but not identical, to modern Greek populations. The same study also stated that at least three-quarters of DNA of both the Mycenaeans and the Minoans came from the first Neolithic-era farmers that lived in Western Anatolia and the Aegean Sea (Mycenaeans ~74–78%, Minoans ~84–85%) while most of the remainder came from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus and Iran (Mycenaeans ~8–17%, Minoans ~14–15%)
>Unlike the Minoans, the Mycenaeans had also "4–16% ancestry from a 'northern' ultimate source related to the hunter-gatherers of Eastern Europe and [Upper Palaeolithic] Siberia"; however, Lazaridis et al. admit that they "cannot model Mycenaeans as a mixture of Anatolian Neolithic and steppe populations [...] due to the fact that Mycenaeans have more Iran-related than EHG-related ancestry". Among the Mycenaean samples was found one Y-DNA J2a1, and two mtDNA X2, one X2d and one H
>In their archaeogenetics study, Lazaridis et al. (2017) concluded that the Minoans and the Mycenaean Greeks were genetically highly similar – but not identical – and that modern Greeks descend from these populations, ultimately proving the genetic continuity between these civilizations and modern Greeks
6/19/2025, 10:53:22 PM
>>17776654
>>17776675
Doulos doesn't even come from PIE.
>Related to Mycenaean Linear B Greek 𐀈𐀁𐀫 (do-e-ro /dohelos/), possibly from Canaanite *dōʾēlu “servant, attendant” (compare Late Babylonian 𒁕𒀝𒂵𒇻 (daggālu, “subject, one who waits on another, does their bidding”)
The Mycenaeans were just like the Minoans with more Steppe, but they already existed before they were J2, a haplo closely linked to R1b because of the Yamnaya's ancestrality relationship with EHG-CHG/Iran_N and King Minos, who gives his name to the Minoan Civilization, being the the adopted son of Asterion, son of Tectamus, son of Dorus, ancestor of the Dorians, aka le most Indo-European Greeks.
>The Pelasgians (pre-Minoan Greeks, or Helladic Greeks) belonged to an admixture of I2, E1b1b, T and G2a. E-V13 and T probably arrived in Greece from the Levant (and ultimately from Egypt, hence the small percentage of T) in the early Neolithic, 8,500 years ago. G2a came from the Levant was picked up in Anatolia along the way by Levantine farmers and herders. Minoan Greeks migrated from Mesopotamia via Anatolia. They were mostly J2 people, but probably had some E1b1b too
>A 2017 archaeogenetics study of mtDNA polymorphisms from Mycenaean and Minoan remains published in the journal Nature concluded that the Mycenaean Greeks were genetically closely related with the Minoans, and that both are closely related, but not identical, to modern Greek populations. The same study also stated that at least three-quarters of DNA of both the Mycenaeans and the Minoans came from the first Neolithic-era farmers that lived in Western Anatolia and the Aegean Sea (Mycenaeans ~74–78%, Minoans ~84–85%) while most of the remainder came from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus and Iran (Mycenaeans ~8–17%, Minoans ~14–15%)
>>17776675
Doulos doesn't even come from PIE.
>Related to Mycenaean Linear B Greek 𐀈𐀁𐀫 (do-e-ro /dohelos/), possibly from Canaanite *dōʾēlu “servant, attendant” (compare Late Babylonian 𒁕𒀝𒂵𒇻 (daggālu, “subject, one who waits on another, does their bidding”)
The Mycenaeans were just like the Minoans with more Steppe, but they already existed before they were J2, a haplo closely linked to R1b because of the Yamnaya's ancestrality relationship with EHG-CHG/Iran_N and King Minos, who gives his name to the Minoan Civilization, being the the adopted son of Asterion, son of Tectamus, son of Dorus, ancestor of the Dorians, aka le most Indo-European Greeks.
>The Pelasgians (pre-Minoan Greeks, or Helladic Greeks) belonged to an admixture of I2, E1b1b, T and G2a. E-V13 and T probably arrived in Greece from the Levant (and ultimately from Egypt, hence the small percentage of T) in the early Neolithic, 8,500 years ago. G2a came from the Levant was picked up in Anatolia along the way by Levantine farmers and herders. Minoan Greeks migrated from Mesopotamia via Anatolia. They were mostly J2 people, but probably had some E1b1b too
>A 2017 archaeogenetics study of mtDNA polymorphisms from Mycenaean and Minoan remains published in the journal Nature concluded that the Mycenaean Greeks were genetically closely related with the Minoans, and that both are closely related, but not identical, to modern Greek populations. The same study also stated that at least three-quarters of DNA of both the Mycenaeans and the Minoans came from the first Neolithic-era farmers that lived in Western Anatolia and the Aegean Sea (Mycenaeans ~74–78%, Minoans ~84–85%) while most of the remainder came from ancient populations related to those of the Caucasus and Iran (Mycenaeans ~8–17%, Minoans ~14–15%)
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