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7/4/2025, 12:37:40 AM
>>509437168
>Kinaidos
Not a word that refers to pederasts.
>it means male prostitute
It means effeminate.
>why would homosexuality be mocked if it was accepted?
Plato laments the fact that pederasty is legal and accepted in his Laws. Plato's opinions are not reflective of mainstream opinion, he's a philosopher. In his earlier works, he was actually supportive of pederasty.
>Xenophon states "Erotic relations between student and mentor are strictly forbidden".
He never says this, he states that it was the opinion of the legendary lawmaker of Sparta that pederasty should be chaste, and he continues to state that it is legal to have sexual relations with boys in the majority of Greek cities, and that this is not associated with negative outcomes.
>parents would hire bodyguards to protect their children from "older citizens"
Which just goes to show how prevalent it was.
>Claudius Aelianus "In Sparta, neither the mentor nor the student dared to be lewd, as it was counterproductive, those that succumbed to lust, were exiled or killed".
This is suggestive that it was expected for men to be sexual with boys, and that it was expected that men would feel lust towards boys, and that Sparta was an exception where men were forbidden from engaging sexually with boys. Regardless, other sources actually describe sexual pederasty as being practiced in Sparta, so the practice was not prohibited for the entirety of Sparta's history.
>Kinaidos
Not a word that refers to pederasts.
>it means male prostitute
It means effeminate.
>why would homosexuality be mocked if it was accepted?
Plato laments the fact that pederasty is legal and accepted in his Laws. Plato's opinions are not reflective of mainstream opinion, he's a philosopher. In his earlier works, he was actually supportive of pederasty.
>Xenophon states "Erotic relations between student and mentor are strictly forbidden".
He never says this, he states that it was the opinion of the legendary lawmaker of Sparta that pederasty should be chaste, and he continues to state that it is legal to have sexual relations with boys in the majority of Greek cities, and that this is not associated with negative outcomes.
>parents would hire bodyguards to protect their children from "older citizens"
Which just goes to show how prevalent it was.
>Claudius Aelianus "In Sparta, neither the mentor nor the student dared to be lewd, as it was counterproductive, those that succumbed to lust, were exiled or killed".
This is suggestive that it was expected for men to be sexual with boys, and that it was expected that men would feel lust towards boys, and that Sparta was an exception where men were forbidden from engaging sexually with boys. Regardless, other sources actually describe sexual pederasty as being practiced in Sparta, so the practice was not prohibited for the entirety of Sparta's history.
7/3/2025, 12:07:27 AM
>>509344431
Xenophon says that a legendary Spartan lawgiver (Lycurgus) who would have lived centuries before Xenophon believed that pederasty shouldn't involve sexual activity, in contrast to the rampant sexual form of pederasty that the Greeks practiced. Xenophon also states that it is legal in the majority of Greek cities for men to have sexual relations with boys.
Xenophon says that a legendary Spartan lawgiver (Lycurgus) who would have lived centuries before Xenophon believed that pederasty shouldn't involve sexual activity, in contrast to the rampant sexual form of pederasty that the Greeks practiced. Xenophon also states that it is legal in the majority of Greek cities for men to have sexual relations with boys.
7/2/2025, 12:43:13 AM
>>509257950
Xenophon talking about how pederasty is legal in the majority of Greek cities.
Xenophon talking about how pederasty is legal in the majority of Greek cities.
6/25/2025, 8:55:01 AM
>>508666248
The word they used was "paiderastia", which literally translates to the erotic love of boys. The word was always used with a sexual connotation. A minority of philosophers like Socrates advocated for a non-sexual form of pederasty, where men just hug and kiss their beloved boys, which is still gay. If you read the Phaedrus, a dialogue which advocates a non-sexual form of pederasty, it becomes immediately obvious that sexual relations between men and boys were widespread in their time. Even Alexander had sex with boys.
The word they used was "paiderastia", which literally translates to the erotic love of boys. The word was always used with a sexual connotation. A minority of philosophers like Socrates advocated for a non-sexual form of pederasty, where men just hug and kiss their beloved boys, which is still gay. If you read the Phaedrus, a dialogue which advocates a non-sexual form of pederasty, it becomes immediately obvious that sexual relations between men and boys were widespread in their time. Even Alexander had sex with boys.
6/16/2025, 10:48:30 AM
>>17767915
Many cultural aspects of Celtic/Germanic society described by ancient authors have been verified. You are just ignorant. For example, the sole source for the mythological progenitor of the Germanic race, Mannaz, is Tacitus. Linguistic evidence has verified that this was legitimate. Aspects of Germanic culture described in Tacitus, were also backed up by later historical evidence, such as the fact that the traitorous Christian Sabbas the Goth was drowned in a bog, a continuation of a Germanic practice described in Tacitus.
Negative claims about Celtic culture, i.e., that they practiced human sacrifice, have been verified archeologically, so even these were accurate. The Romans didn't have to lie.
Most of the authors who describe the Celts as partaking in pederasty come from cultures which also practiced pederasty. The quote by Aristotle, who came from a culture which practiced pederasty, literally describes the Celts as "brave and warlike", so the notion that they would only describe them as practicing pederasty to insult them is nonsense.
>not whether or not these guys had sex with children
I'm not claiming this specific claim could be backed up with archeological, linguistic, or historical evidence. I'm stating that the claims which could be backed up with that evidence have been remarkably accurate, which lends credibility to the claim regarding pederasty.
>>17767916
We have a contemporary scholar (Xenophon) commenting on the fact that pederasty is legal in the majority of Greek cities. All other evidence suggests that pederasty was legal in the majority of Greek cities, which you don't need the complete legal code of these cities to infer. Lex Scantinia only criminalized homosexual relations with a freeborn boy.
Many cultural aspects of Celtic/Germanic society described by ancient authors have been verified. You are just ignorant. For example, the sole source for the mythological progenitor of the Germanic race, Mannaz, is Tacitus. Linguistic evidence has verified that this was legitimate. Aspects of Germanic culture described in Tacitus, were also backed up by later historical evidence, such as the fact that the traitorous Christian Sabbas the Goth was drowned in a bog, a continuation of a Germanic practice described in Tacitus.
Negative claims about Celtic culture, i.e., that they practiced human sacrifice, have been verified archeologically, so even these were accurate. The Romans didn't have to lie.
Most of the authors who describe the Celts as partaking in pederasty come from cultures which also practiced pederasty. The quote by Aristotle, who came from a culture which practiced pederasty, literally describes the Celts as "brave and warlike", so the notion that they would only describe them as practicing pederasty to insult them is nonsense.
>not whether or not these guys had sex with children
I'm not claiming this specific claim could be backed up with archeological, linguistic, or historical evidence. I'm stating that the claims which could be backed up with that evidence have been remarkably accurate, which lends credibility to the claim regarding pederasty.
>>17767916
We have a contemporary scholar (Xenophon) commenting on the fact that pederasty is legal in the majority of Greek cities. All other evidence suggests that pederasty was legal in the majority of Greek cities, which you don't need the complete legal code of these cities to infer. Lex Scantinia only criminalized homosexual relations with a freeborn boy.
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