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Wurm edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-apriI-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-Iist#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfieId.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com


>Card search
https://scryfaII.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: Which card do you hate but you still put into your own decks?

>inb4 thread was made too early
Stfu

Simple elegant design

Do people in card game worlds complain about slop or is the slop simply what we see them playing? Is Dark Magician akin to Ronal McDonald slop in our world?

>bought more cards than ever in the last 6 months
>have played the least amount since I started playing magic 8 years ago
>don't feel like turning into a collector
I guess I have to figure out how to sell all my stuff.
It was fun while it lasted

Far too early a thread. If the image limit isn't used up there's literally no reason to make new threads, it's fucking /tg/ the thread isn't going anywhere.

>>96074864
No
Dark magician is actually rare, you only see one other duelist other than Yugi ever using it

>>96074864
There's no such thing as slop
In a card game world, the people who dislike the card game wouldn't play
Edhh wouldn't exist, in fantasy all the people who say "slop" would stop playing and move on with their lives

>>96074840 (OP)
>literally flying through the clouds, in range of a spaceship
>no Reach

>>96074884
Dark Magician is used several times in the show by people other than Yugi though. He's also used in the in-world advertising for Duel Monsters just like Blue-Eyes White Dragon, so it's a relatively rare but not impossible card to get. Sound familiar?

>>96074884
arkana had 2 dark magicians, its still a rare card, but yugi wasnt the only one with a copy

need a full cycle of furry sword proxies

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96074904
No, slop has a pretty straightforward definition and no it's not AI go away you goddamn AI schizo posters no one cares. Slop is when fucking THIS happens.

>>96074907
That's literally what I said

>>96074920
>not mechanically unique
>reprint of an easily accessible card
Theres 0 things wrong with this

>>96074920
No, you have however shown what the definition actually is
>I don't like thing, so it's slop.

>>96074864
Card game worlds are idealized versions of the concept. There is no slop.
This of course implies an edgy deconstruction of the card game world, where the game has been sloppified beyond belief and our edgy anti heroes must argue on the internet for the glory of their once great game.

>>96074930
>>96074933
Yes, excellent, just as predicted you simply accept the slop with zero care for the actual health of the game. We are truly transitioning into the Yugioh world.

>realize i can use Beatrix or any of my other put equipment on other fags cards to turn Gideon, Champion of Justice into a Voltron
It's still a really mid card but equipment moving to have the worst Gideon card suddenly slap shit is funny

>>96074939
How is a reskin of a card that has existed for a long time bad for the health of the game?
You would have a point with the sonic cards, or deadpool, unique secret lairs you can't have access to otherwise, but not fucking goofy reprints.

>>96074945
That's one of the best Gideons of all time idiot.

>>96074939
Explain how there is any problem with a goofy reprint of Jodah? You can get a normal Jodah, and it isn't mechanically unique so you aren't forced into scalped prices or FOMO for the effect

>>96074913
need a full cycle of noble phantasm proxies

>>96074951
I don't care what you think, you accept slop at the basest level. It didn't make a difference whether I posted Sonic or SpongeBob when it's blatantly clear you just wanted to argue online.

>>96074965
>Didn't answer the question
I accept your concession.

>>96074954
If you say so little buddy. His art is the best but that's all I'll give him

>>96074970
>how is literal slop bad for the game?
Not a question worth answering. I accept YOUR concession, fag.

>>96074965
Sonic is mechanically unique and tied to FOMO and locked behind slop. If they reprinted Kykar with Knuckles on it, it wouldn't matter.

>>96074939
genuinely delusional if you think fancy alt art reprints of cards is the same as power creeping a mandatory staple thats 450$ for a playset and if you dont have it your deck is genuinely worse without it

>>96074983
Slop is NOT about the power level of the game, that's not what the original question was about.

>>96074991
You said its bad for the health of the game and several times you have refused to give an actual reason why. So do so, or fuck off.

Any tips on playing Mortarion without killing myself?
Do I just pack a deck with tutors to grab exquisite blood and whip of Erebos?

>>96074991
the comparison was about yugioh and health of the game
shitty secret lairs arent comparable to game ruining cards that you cannot play the game without, you dont need to by the spongebob card to play the game

>>96074997
>why is definitively sloppy art bad for Magic
Truly unbelievably lazy trolling in this general at this point.

>>96074978
>Literal slop
Meaningless

>>96075008
>Didn't answer it again
So you really can't. Got it, piss off.

>>96063410
>These are fake cards
Checked them and they all have passed the red dot test so I think they are real.

>>96075020
yo chat is this real?

>>96075020
Ah fuck meant to respond to >>96063441
I'm a dumbass
Anyway, here is the dots of a card I got sold a while back that is 100% fake
>>96075024
I sure hope so

>>96075005
The comparison was about how accepting people in the Yugioh world are of card games and card game themed everything and how in real life in our own world we're making slop of whatever the fuck we want, pulling more and more normal people into the game. I don't give a shit about power level health, this is a question about card game culture as a whole now becoming accepting of shit like this that would be considered lazy as shit even in custom card threads.

>>96075017
Define slop then because it's clear you don't have the right definition to even be asking that question in the first place. Like asking why is pain bad.

>>96075033
for me it's making tidus a merfolk

I got FOMO'd into buying this despite being a total noob because I like FF6, my understanding is that I don't need anything else to play.

Did I make a mistake?
What youtubers and other recources should I check out as a near total TCG noob to prepare for playing at a Commander event?

>>96074840 (OP)
>Which card do you hate but you still put into your own decks?
I am not so spineless and sweaty as to play cards and decktypes I hate to play against. If I hate a card I simply don't play it no matter how good, or expensive it is.

>>96074958
>single sword is a collection of weapons
I'm sure there would be better proxies you could have went with

>>96075033
In short shut the fuck up Spikes, this is a really autistic Vorthos question.

>>96075048
yes, good luck

>>96075048

Forgot image

>>96075061
Yeah you can play out of the box. You'll probably want to make upgrades though.
It's a solid deck however

>>96075057
only trannies use the term "vorthos"

>>96075042
>>96074933
Its a meaningless word thrown around by idiots on the internet in in lieu of any actual argument, who then crumble at the first chance of any opportunity of expand.
You've dodge the question asked over and over again, just kept saying "its slop because it just is!" and now you are going for the "you just don't get it."

You are pathetic.Just say "I don't like it" in the future as that's clearly what you mean.

>>96075048
Haha we got another one boys
Yeah if you got one of the commander decks, that's all you need to get going.

>>96075061
>>96075048
Yep, then either 2 d20 or a cellphone app for your life counter.
I enjoy Salubrious Snail and ayaMTG. They make commander focused content.
Command Zone and EDHREC also do precon (what you bought) upgrade guides and reviews.
Just have fun. I generally only play with friends and family so i’d suggest infecting them with this curse as well.
Randoms can be a mixed bag.

>>96075061
you're fine, yeah. as a test, try and look for five cards in it that you can say "hey that doesn't actually look very good" and look for things you could replace them with.
once you get better you can find the other five cards wizards puts in there on purpose for people to replace.

>>96075074
No you retard, I'm not saying it's slop because it just is, I'm saying slop is bad for the health of Magic. Slop doesn't not have a meaning, it's a marketing term for any lazily done art, and that is literally what any UB art that's just screenshots and official pngs and shit. I don't like Magic having lazily done art, I don't need to defend that position any further, especially if we're snowballing into just making the laziest custom card thread autism real and in standard fucking booster packs. So many card arts are literally just screenshots, you can't NOT call that slop just because you personally like it. It's still fucking LAZY AS SHIT.

>>96075048
As said in the other thread, MTG Arena is good for a total beginner to learn the basics of the game.
I do like mtgmuddstah on youtube for no-frills commander gameplay videos. But it's just watching gameplay, not exactly a tutorial.

when am I going to get to play a UB rebecca deck?

>>96075116
Does Arena have Commander yet? I remember being pretty impressed at the ui when I was doing mill like way back on its more initial release

>>96074945
I swear I remember this card being 3 mana, it's just so bad. He was super hyped up during preorders, feel bad for the guys who bought playsets to go with their aurelia's furys.

>>96075116
>>96075097
>>96075088
>>96075075
>>96075070
>>96075060


Thank you all

>>96074972
You're in the EDH thread dude, he's great in big EDH games.

>>96075109
>I don't like Magic having lazily done art
There is is, proved my point. Now piss off.

>>96075136
No commander. But the tutorial is good for a total beginner, and doing at least a handful of free drafts will make a new player a bit more well rounded than your average edhonly

>>96075148
Go fuck yourself dude lmao, I called you out on just being here to argue and that just proved MY point.

What are some mana effiecent token creators in mardu colors? Im looking for mana spent to bodies. For example mogg war marshall is 2 bodies for 2 mana. Chittering witch is 4 mana for 4 bodies ect ect. Im planning on building this deck. Im sure sedgemore witch will be fantastic as well

>>96074872
so what happened 7-8 months ago that made you depressed, anon?
>buying things to fill the void
>no longer enjoying things you used to enjoy
>probably gained a couple pounds

>>96075170
Just look to edhrec and find someone with the same copy/paste list you're going to end up building for your linear do the thing slopmander.

>>96075161
>No u!
You are not an objective authority, you are just a faggot on the Internet. "Bad" of "lazy art" is in no way actually harming magic. Your subjective tastes mean nothing. Don't like them, don't use them, or just stop playing. You are a low IQ autistic to just whine for the sake of whining.

>>96075161
He must have learned from the best.

>>96075182
No one tried to be objective about anything, it was a question about art acceptance you retard. Sorry your feelings get so hurt just because your favorite shitty video game got slop for art instead of real art.

>>96075182
>getting mad over people whining online
>on 4chan

>>96075170
I built him with Bloodghast, Poxwalker, Reassembling Skeleton instead to pretty good effect.

>>96074840 (OP)
>TQ: Which card do you hate but you still put into your own decks?
Literally none. If I don't like a card, I don't play with it. Simple as.

>>96075170
I built a hare apparent deck based around this guy once, it was pretty fun. Sengir Autocrat is another good one

Is there any Rakdos Commanders with SOVL? Pic unrelated

>>96074840 (OP)
>Which card do you hate but you still put into your own decks
Cather's Crusade.

>>96075238
ALL HAIL SHADOW

>>96075249
Try asking without a meaningless buzzword

>>96075260
OBLITERATING EVERYTHING THAT IS NOT SLOP

>>96075184
Imagine trying to emulate a cucked adderall addict faggot

I just pre-ordered a collectors box for 300, tell me how much of a dumb faggot I am.

>>96075269
Are there any Rakdos Commanders who are underplayed, but have an interesting mechanic and lead to novel deck building and gameplay?

Which of these 3 commanders should I use for an artifact hate theme?

>>96075279
A "debate master" that has never actually won a debate, even against JonTron lmao.

>>96075287
(s)he is very unique

>>96075290
Kibo, never use his activated ability, put 36 land signet players on suicide watch.

>>96075287
I have spent YEARS searching for a Rakdos commander that checks all my boxes. Finally, the weasel cometh.
>Aggressive
>Discard Synergy
>Reanimator Synergy
>Free Spells
Basically fill your deck with big boys, reanimation spells and removal and you are in for a good time. Has enough depth to fine tune your fatties to things that want to be cast post combat, permanents that keep you getting through, and plenty of other pet cards. He just has room for everything.

>>96075284
You are an absolute baffoon, unless you pull big and make money in which case you are based and smart

>>96075330
98 land cruelclaw

>>96075330
fireslop

>>96075340
>>96075346
Worldfire is funny exactly once, then you take it out and make a real deck

>>96075340
Nta, but thats kind of funny the first time you put it down, then nobody will want to bother playing the
>If we can remove his 3 drop he loses instantly, otherwise we all lose instantly

>>96075020
I was just memeing when I called them fake made you think twice though hahaha you are a puppet dance for me nerd

>>96075330
why is this RB again?
>the other cards stay exiled
oh, I guess that's it.

>>96075287
Juri is pretty unique
Black Waltz number 3 is pretty unique for rb because usually that effect is in ru

>playgroup is breaking up

>>96075409
What caused it

>>96075372
I thought you were but I wanted a loupe anyway, im louping everything in my home RN
Pic related is me, im the frog

I'm gonna, I'm gonnnnaaaa slooooop!
This or a big titty goblin in a harem outfit as a "treasure"

Why would you have cards fight as an ability when you can just do damage equal to your power to a creature with a lot of green/red cards in a way that's a lot more safe without any worry about getting your shit wrecked with a surprise buff? Am I missing something or is it just a power creep situation where the fight keyword isn't viable anymore?

Incredibly retarded question maybe but are the preconstructed decks places sell a good way to get into playing commander?

>>96075460
Cost, how many options there are and the rare cases where you want damage done to your creatures as well

>>96075461
If you don't have a large collection already, yes.

>>96075461
Yes, deck building is hardest part of the game and with a precon it’s done for you

>>96075461
Yes and no. Yes as its how most people probably get into the game now, no because deck building is half the game so precon players aren't real magic players.

>>96075458
How about you fucking kill yourself instead.

>>96075461
Yes, they are usually the best way to get started.
You can learn how to play very easily with them and you can change them as you see fit.

>>96075482
Okay.

>>96075458
>goblin treasure
I got you, gobfren

>>96075460
exile is just better destroy but there are cases when you want your creatures dying instead of being exiled (aristocrats)
same thing with bite vs. fight; fight still has some corner cases uses

>>96075458
This is gorgeous

>>96075460
Yes, bite is strictly better fight. For card power and limited reasons, sometimes they use one and sometimes the other.

>>96075515
No, its slop.

>>96075460
I bet you don't understand why first strike and double strike both exist either

>>96075461
They're a solid start yeah, have fun anon

>>96075461
Magic has gotten a lot better at making proper decks ever since they made Commander their main source of money. They're typically worth it and go up in slight value over time nowadays.

>>96075518
>For card power and limited reasons
also for card interactions

>>96075529
Depends on how much effort went into it, schizo. But yeah, likely slop.

>>96075529
Slop doesn't exist

did they ever make a warstorm surge for toughness?

>>96075530
One stops your little token with a big fuckoff weapon from dying, one triggers battle effects twice which means the first is better nine times out of ten

in a game where being hurt can be an advantage, there are cases for fight > bite and destroy > exile, but never reach > flying and first strike > double strike unless a card tells you like you win the game if you control a creature with first strike or something

>>96075553
>Avoided the question
Kek

>>96075553
>the first is better nine times out of ten
Exactly, and when you're shitting out hundreds of pack filler/limited chaff every year, you might as well make a card for the one in ten times

>>96075458
>tfw no golden treasure sloppa gf
why live bros

>>96075287
exava is "+1/+1 counters matter" where the color combo doesn't usually get it.
tsabo tavoc is a classic nobody plays anymore (because she's seven mana)
garna lets you second breakfast creatures to your hand, but it's an effect that's usually stronger as a surprise.
grenzo bottomdeck manipulation.

>>96075568
last strike and triple strike in main sets when

Shut up retards, post irl decks

>>96075569
But he directly answered the question, tranny.

>>96075614
You can have a fresh pic since I'm at my Dad's and don't have the last pic I took. Gonna goldfish this in a few for a bit.

>>96075614
Urghhhhhh I don't want to set a deck out again
My Teysa deck is all over my table while I remake it, I need more death trigger payoffs and sac outlets

>>96075647
>Everyone I don't like is a tranny

>>96075602
Exava is also super hot and I bought a foil of her specifically because of this and I guess I might make a deck for her who knows right now she just sits on my deck for me to appreciate

>>96075419
Two of them are fighting/dodging each other and 1v1 games aren't nearly as much fun 2bh. Just turns into drinking and shooting the shit with a buddy, which is fine, but there's still no edh.

I swear I saw a legendary creature the other day that read "makes creature's damage total based on power rather than toughness" or something to that effect.
Can anyone help me remember?
I thought it was an Ikoria apex, but I can't find it.

>>96075748
Lazy fucking nigger kill yourself
https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28oracle%3AAssign+oracle%3ADamage+oracle%3Atoughness+oracle%3Apower%29+%28game%3Apaper%29

>>96075760
he's asking for the opposite

>>96075748
zilortha, who is an "apex" on the back of a battle.
also got a godzilla.

>>96075767
Then swap the words around STOP BEING A LAZY FUCKING NIGGER

>>96075776
Thanks, I was thinking it'd be in Naya, not Gruul.

>>96075778
you seem frustrated

>>96075653
For being a tastelet and a gay spammer I will admit you do frequently post decks.

>>96075797
What drag queen is that supposed to be on the right?

>>96075815
Thank you
Here's some wizards

>>96075796
>many thought they knew its weakness. they are dead.
-3/-3 effects retards

best fun commander?

>>96075614
Bats, caves and a couple of vampires
Mostly wins via lifedrain but sometimes by turning bats sideways.

>>96075840
>anon is unironically dead

>>96075863
I thought so too for a moment, but -3/-3 would not count as damage and so it would still kill it.

>>96075851
Any mono-red commander

>>96075614
I'm excited for the space set unironically, if only to get some more Jund artifact spice

>>96075796
I actually hate this because a creature that big should just be a 7/7.

>>96075863
>>96075872
in looking for the simplest -3/-3 effect so I could say something like "anon got stepped on trying to push zilortha off a cliff" I found that scryfall seems to have a regex error or something for processing queries so that typing any "-x/-y" into text search turns it into "-oracle:x/-y" when it should be oracle:-x/-y"
is there a bug report on this site or just make a 'contact us' email.

they can't not know about this already, can they?

>>96075672
Yeah that's how you're supposed to post here, isn't it?

>>96075672
yeah tranny

>>96075911
No it's flavorful because he's weak to Lightning Bolt. That's it, that's the big secret ya troon.

>>96075929
Mages from this era don’t know lightning bolt, only commander, UB, and lie

>>96075929
you were funnier when you said lands had colors

>>96075912
Candy Grapple
Caustic Exhale
Cankerous Thirst
Collective Nightmare
Deal Gone Bad
Last Gasp

Just try oracle:"-3/-3" legal:commander
Worked for me

>>96075912
Yeah thats seems dumb and odd
Best way i have found so far is
otag:removal-creature-toughness o:-3
>>96075945
This anons thing also works but misses things that give a different value to the power such as +3/-3 like this

>>96075945
I did find them, I'm just pointing out the odd behavior. does it happen to you if you put that in the card text search?

>talking to my friend about Magic
>he exclusively plays on arena
>he’s bitching about how he keeps getting his ass stomped
>look at his decks
>”why the fuck do you have like 80+ cards in here?”
>”I NEED all these cards. They’re all so good I just GOTTA play them.”
>”ok well you should cut it down and also it’s almost all singleton? Why aren’t you running more copies of your best cards?”
>”I don’t want to draw the same stuff all the time.”
>”Why don’t you just play commander then? You’re basically already trying to do that.”
>”Fuck that man, I don’t want to deal with paper and meeting up to play.”
>mfw

Motherfucker frustrates the hell out of me sometimes. Bonus: he runs basically no interaction because “counters and removal are gay” then gets mad when everyone else obviously runs counters and removal

>>96075851
Fuck all the faggots in this gen that cry about goad or say it sucks and shit.
I love my Firkraag for lower level/casual/new player pods.

It's interactive, it's relatively straightforward, and it's kinda fun to give players who are struggling a bunch of stupid tokens and shit through the hunted cycle and playing politics.

>>96075956
if it makes you feel better morons like your friend are exactly what f2p games need to keep going; dumb fishes feeding themselves to sharks
even a moron has his place in the greater ecosystem

I miss having the thread update when I wasn't tabbed in

>>96075614

>>96075117
Never

>>96075956
>he runs basically no interaction because “counters and removal are gay” then gets mad when everyone else obviously runs counters and removal
I think the WORST thing about people like this is they're the first ones to cry and bitch about big stupid Battlecruiser bullshit being unfun, or broken, or banworthy.

Yeah sometimes you just don't have removal or counterspells, shit happens, but I don't know how you can play commander and not run basic bitch interaction for your colors.

>>96075290
So I should build the Monke then?

I don't run removal because my deck needs to move quickly and doesn't have time to do that shit. If I haven't won by like turn 5 or 6 I may as well scoop anyway

>>96075978
Holy slop trash

>>96075989
Stop using slop wrong.

>>96075996
I used to correctly you retarded tranny

>>96075996
UB is slop anon

Are you breaking the cycles in your landbase? Up until a year ago, I always ran the full cycle of everything in my 3-color decks; 3 shocks, 3 surveils, 3 checks, 3 pains etc. I never thought about not doing that, because of autopilot.
But one day I looked at my Esper deck and realized I was running 20 blue pips for 7 blue cards in my deck.
So I started to trim. I kicked the blue versions of the battlebond lands, the painlands, the verges and the checks and run more Black/White lands and utility instead.

TQ: lands
Wish they could be anything else, but I’m not going to play goblin belcher either

>>96076008
That isn't AI. You also aren't using tranny correctly.

>>96076038
Rebecca is a tranny character

>>96076038
>Only AI can be slop
Holy mentally retarded tranny faggot

>>96076012
So why isn't it in the slop general?

>>96076044
edhg is the slop general of magic threads

>>96076043
Yes that is how the word works. But you want to use it for everything because you're 16 and found a new fun word. Much like your obsession of "tranny"
Grow up.

>>96075972
If you only run 2 non-sol mana rocks, just cut them. Chances are high you never draw them anyway, so just run 2 extra lands to make the deck more consistent.

>>96076053
>spongebob cards aren't slop

haha alright nigga

>>96074884
Arkana wasn't aware of DMG, but Tea owns one, and its her favorite card. There was even a traveling play about it.

>>96076060
Correct

>>96076059
Kor spirit dancer auras and umbras you love to see it

>>96076053
Ah, little baby thinks his garbage slop edit of UB slop isn't slop because he put it into a card editor.
Sorry tranny, it will always be slop and you will never be a woman.

>>96075249
USELESS RABBIT

>>96076067
raped wotc eunuch in the thread

>>96075996
No that was definitely slop. I do however disagree on its state as trash.

>can't filter this shitposting anymore either
this is hell

>>96076053
>Much like your obsession of "tranny"
No I just keep saying it because it's funny. It's an ironic thing, you wouldn't get it.

>>96076059
I can draw quite a bit with the auras so I see them quite frequently, but I'll try it next game night either way.

>>96075819
You don't recognize your dad bro?

>>96075956
Tell him to play Brawl. He'll still get his ass kicked because a brawl deck is 37 lands and 62 pieces of interaction, but at least it's something.

>>96075819
That's mrs potato head, retard

>>96075891
I am too. Artifacts and insects, it's going to be great.

>>96075891
As a Zask player this new set is giving me so much good shit.
I hope nobody things im playing him as fotm

>>96076140
I tried but he doesn't like tripping.

>>96076167
Kek

>>96076119
Play ramp creatures (Knight of the White Orchid, Loyal Warhound) instead. Nobody blows up lands and you can slap an Aura on them after they did their thing.

>>96074945
Did Gideon canonically boink Elspeth?

What is your favorite jank card you always try to fit into a deck?
>pic related

This guy slaps, why did no one tell me?

>>96075956
>mfw like to run 80 card decks that do have multiple repeats but I get to have fun surprises every time

>>96076237
>this promo went down to 10 dollars
damn, maybe I should pick one up. I remember when they were like 30.
Main reason I never built him is lifegain decks are too pricey

>>96076235
funni bonk

>>96076237
I should build him...
>>96076246
The og art is better tho

>>96076249
Heh. Nice. I always wanted to use this card on something big like an Eldrazi and sneak a win in with like just a few lands left.

>make one slip up in threat acquisition
>cost myself the game
I showed weakness. I should have been meaner.

>>96076275
Very funny with infect creatures also

>>96076267
the OG art is some of the worst art around.

>>96076237
Is that John Karlov, the main character of Karlov Manor?

>>96076295
Ha ha funny troll

>>96076249
Double bonk.

>>96076325
Based terese

Was thinking of building this, the king shit at LGS plays a suped up (pun-intended) Justice League deck and it just about wipes every other deck. I know James and the Giant Peach is super popular but even it has no chance against Justice League.

Another thought, pirates of the caribbean is literally next week and terminator two weeks after that. So maybe I should hold off to find out what's the current hotness? I'd love to take this guy out, I know my wallets are deeper than his.

>>96076237
>>96076246
Who cares, this is the best one

>>96076237
How much does he charge for a night with Teysa?

>>96076344
>Goku
>Blue mana
>isn't even Super Sand Blue
Nani?!

>>96076348
I suppose a lifeless pose is technically appropriate but the promo is way more soulful than this generic fat bastard

However I would happily proxy this version as Oliver FireEmblem.

>>96076370
Fire emblem uB when

This is a sick kurve

>blue player plays fact or fiction choosing the least experienced player at the table
>pulls two spells and three lands
>tell the newbie he should split it spells vs lands
>newbie says they're good spells
>blue player says that's a bad idea
>tell him to trust me
>blue player takes the lands pile
it always works.
no he didn't recur the spells.

>>96076386
>Aeris has a death trigger
lmao

>Player has bad threat assessment
>Intentionally build the most miserable deck ever and spit their own awful reasoning back at them as I do dumb shit like Mind Twist the last 2 cards in their hand

>>96076386
Is Karlov the best way to play Soul Sisters in EDH? I've been wanting to build a Soul Sisters deck but I have no idea where to start.

>>96076396
Dunno if "best" but he's very good at it yeah

Speaking of life gain, why isn't this more popular?

>>96076408
7 life is a lot to ask for such a weak effect

>>96076408
Only so many troons in the community to buy it I guess

>>96076418
Is this truly a weak effect?

>>96076418
7 life isn't much.

>>96076408
Because WB is the superior health gain color combo.

>>96076427
Conditional once per turn. 4 cmc. In a color combination not known for its discard synergy. It's pretty weak, yeah.

>>96076427
Selesnya is not good at getting cards in the gravy, why not just ramp to them instead?

>>96076396
You can do some absolutely silly things with Archangel of Thune + Lunar Convocation or Ocelot Pride in the lategame. It's also easy to fit a cleric subtheme too, since almost every card in this archetype is a cleric.
Don't forget Case of the Unwritten Feast from murders. It's a hard to interact with sister effect which doubles as a refuel after a wipe.

>>96076408
I don't know if WG has any particularly interesting targets for it that a commander with black in it already can't lead a reanimator deck for, and you're missing out on stuff like Buried Alive. Green has Mulch effects, but that's still effectively hoping you topdeck threats.
You could run lifelinkers as targets that also turn on the condition, but there's only Savra, Ghalta and Mavren, and Sire of Seven Deaths (lol) that have power 7 or up. Other than that, what, Ghalta, Avacyn, eldrazis? Bruna+Gisela? There's decent enough ETBs around, but getting through your deck is the big problem.

>>96076448
4cmc in green may as well be a 2 drop

>>96076471
>4cmc in green may as well be a 2 drop
If you spend your time ramping, what are you getting back?

>>96074840 (OP)
Trying to make a Vren deck, can I get some feedback? Might need more card draw, and it's a little light on blue.

https://moxfield.com/decks/wC_9tFjvbEmBMApKcHwclQ

>>96076483
I'm gonna swing stuff into their face so they have to chump block my chumps, which is a win for me because I get my chumps back and they don't, or they have to take escalating amounts of damage

>>96076348
This is bad.

>>96076510
Don't think you need more draw, you just need some tutors to get access to it.

Opponent casts Cut Down on my 2/2 creature. In response I cast something to give it +2/0. This causes the Cut Down to fizzle right?

>>96076448
>conditional
Sure. Im sure the 99 will compensate.
>4cmc
But end step so realistically you can trigger her
>discard
She is the synergy and both have pretty unique discard outlets

>>96076564
Yes

>>96076564
Its no longer a legal target so yes

Cool that multicolored decks just get this ridiculous bomb for free pretty much

>>96076564
Correct
>>96076510
I think you need more ramp honestly.

>>96075838
Kuja is my new beloved.

>fast
>doesn't rely on combat damage
>Rakdos spell slinging feels unique
>Creates tokens so unless spot removed he is an automatic 2 for one
>So fucking easy to flip him like my god I do it accidentally sometimes

>Captcha 4ttv4

What's the most turns you have an EDH game go, bros? For me the long back and forth games where someone barely squeaks out the win are the best.

>>96076708
Just had one that went 8 turns in a 4 player pod. It was very neck and neck.

>>96076708
4-20. Why so much, because 6 man pods

>>96074958
fucking hell, Golem Keter Malkuth was right there. Excalibur is clearly the Buster Sword.

>>96076777
I keep telling him it doesn't make sense, but he doesn't listen.

>>96076708
I don't count turns, really.

>Bristly Bill and Scythecat Cub are 40+ each
I'm tired, boss.

>>96075458
https://files.catbox.moe/aojv2i.png
Have some cringe! Good night!

>>96076777
what NP can we use for the Umezawa's Jitte proxy?

>>96076807
no one wants this shit, fuck off

>>96076809
Kanshou and Bakuya

>>96076806
Busted shit is expensive
Who would have thought

>>96076828
This, and make the Lost Jitte into EMIYA Alter's gunblades

In MTGA brawl I've seen this commander played a few times and every time they mill down to 2-3 cards. I've always won before they did anything meaningful. What card are they fishing for?

>>96076845
Bloodbraid Marauder? If they don't have anything with cost 1 it essentially reads "exile your library, put it back, put 90 +1/+1 counters on Laelia"

>>96076806
Proxy

>>96076845
Think they are just trying to make her big to slap you and not getting there

>>96076845
Why are they milling?

You play this bitch by abusing cascade and shit and putting a bunch of counters on her

>>96076850
Wait, Laelia counts each individual card exiled with Cascade?

>>96076861
>>96076854
>>96076850
>>96076845
Sorry not mill, I meant mulligan.

>>96076863
No.
>One more more
You get 1 even if you exile your entire library

>>96076845
If I had to guess this or any cascade/discover card, most of the deck is just mountains.

>>96076863
Discover, too. Anything that says "exile cards until you find..." will give her a shitload of counters because then you're exiling a card, checking it, exiling another, checking it...
so it's 80 instances of exiling one card instead of one instance of exiling 80

>>96076863
Same thing with War Doctor.
They count separately because you have to individually check each card. You aren't exiling it all in one go.

>>96076868
No, Laelia counts Cascade and Discover as heaps of individual triggers. Anything that exiles from the top until it finds a specific card also counts

>>96076880
Well then, I've been playing her wrong in my pod then

>>96076885
It's honestly a confusing rule so I don't even blame anyone for it.

>>96076845
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-94-mountain-laelia-historic-brawl

>>96076871
>>96076845
Most likely answer. I've seen this combo in MTGA before

>>96076021
no because I didn't spend 1000 dollars on lands

>>96075033
Market speaks. You boomers who were playing before the big UB shift weren't buying enough packs for the company to care about maintaining their own brand. Then once the company started lowering the quality of the cards themselves ala material and artwork you didn't stop buying but in fact increased consumption. I see thousands of retards complaining about the direction MTG has gone but at every single step you've all done the exact opposite of what you claim to want: you've boycotted what you liked about the game and bought what you hate.

The fuck is Wizards supposed to do with you screeching bipolar autists when you consistently say one thing and do another? Well they're gonna do what they're already doing: they're going to ignore what you all say you want and follow your money instead. And your money says you prefer UB, you like FIRE design, and you don't care about art or card quality. That's just the cold hard fact of what the mtg player base is.

Guys, tonight I 2 card combo won with Magda. My hand was forced
>my magda deck isn't even optimized or CEDH
>leaned more into dragons than artifacts
>friend's doing gay combo blue shit as per usual
>ok you want to have fun huh?
>got changeling 1 drop in my opening hand
>everyone let me get to 5 treasures
>search clock of omens
>everyone tapped out so no interaction
>vomit entire deck out
>portal to phyrexia so entire board wiped
>everyone scoops
>play again
>same thing
>get begged to not play the deck anymore
I just wanted to play tribal but this is the future you chose

Unban my wife

>tribal and voltron decks basically made unplayable due to speed of even casual play now
All my decks from years ago feel like complete shit to play and there's nothing I can do to optimize them to make them faster.

>>96076992
>magda
>clock of omens
>i swear i'm leaning into dragons than artifacts
roru rumao

I hope the rumors about a digital edh game are true.

>>96077021
Yeah majority of the cards in it are red dragons and my board was nothing but flying dragon beat sticks that were going to fly in all directions next turn

>>96077038
>Yeah majority of the cards in it are red dragons and my board was nothing but flying dragon beat sticks that were going to fly in all directions next turn
>has a univeral automaton and clock of omens btw, don't question it
> just like my dimir deck is totally fair but has a thoracle combo in it because it's totally fair
happy for your win but you ain't slick lol

>>96076984
>unrelated unengaged retard whales buy UB crap by the truckload
>um actually sweaty you did this because you didn't buy enough RTRTRTR
>>96077036
It's not possible, dead on arrival. Priority passing would be a nightmare, even with arena levels of streamlining. Format is primarily social and devs are deathly afraid of allowing any sort of communication into these sorts of game and any attempt at a casual game will be ruined by anti-social pubstompers/third worlders.

>>96076995
Unfuck wishes

>>96077063
It would need a 10 second or less auto pass on prio or something,

>>96077063
>-12 ask for the manager and leave a 0% tip on your dinner meal

>>96076995
>iona resolves
>mono player just sits there for 30 minutes until they die or someone plays a boardwipe
on one hand it is kinda funny to just completely fuck someone out of the game but otherwise its probably one of the few cards im ok with staying banned

>>96076984
>should have consooomed harder, weakling
This makes me think you're baiting, but I unironically agree with the substance of your points.
They WANT the slop. The whinging is only because they're triggered when an adjacent slop trough gets filled. It's the squealing of hungry pigs. Once old man Hasbro comes around to give them more 40k, or some Star Wars(1977), or Nickelback they'll go right back to eating.

>>96077080
I don't get it

>>96077055
Yes that is how the deck functions. She needs a way to create treasures. What I meant by "not focused on artifacts" is that fetching artifacts isn't the main goal of the fetching.

>>96076995
>>96077085
iona's power is exactly what a GC would be but i'm not confident wizards will release her

>>96077085
>fuck someone out of the game
Try fucking everyone out of the game, grants, its pretty expensive, but I'm sure there are bullshit faggot ways to do it all on turn 3

>>96076992
Magda irritates me because its not actually a dwarf deck. Aside from Magda, 90% of dwarf cards are complete dog shit

Is tiamat a kill/counter on sight game ending threat?
I just think she's neat.

>>96077095
my point is you can't complain about your opponents being gay blue combo players when you yourself have a convenient combo of your own with magda (S tier btw, the strongest mono color commander)

>>96077099
Hopefully they never do

>>96077109
with only 3 GCs in b3 iona is not worth slotting in over enlightened tutor, smothering tithe, and tpro, and that's just mono white
iona will never make it in once you add more colors

>>96074840 (OP)
I am going to enjoy this card, and the other 1/1 counter draw card in this set, very much in my Lathiel deck

>>96077075
Even if it's 1 second, there are so many priority passes in a turn that the game just doesn't work. You can try some modo commander lobbies to get an idea, even with 4 competent focused players familiar enough with the software and maximizing shortcut use, the game is still a slog. Add in 1 retard(and there will always be at least one, probably 2) with a blast zone or something and the game becomes unplayable.

>>96077100
swamp > ritual > sol ring > painter > entomb > reanimate
just gotta get that turn 1 christmas hand bro

>>96077133
or maybe just do a better combo
swamp > ritual > entomb thoracle > reanimate > demonic consultation
GGs

Is there any Selesnya general that won't make me feel like a massive fag for playing it?

>>96077085
>9 mana spell ends the game/kills a player
wow, what a fucking surprise. Who could have seen this coming. Alternatively, convince one of the two other players at the table to kill or counter her, kill her with colorless spells or (as the person with Iona) don't be a dick to the mono colour player unless you're about to kill them from the table anyway. Assuming someone even shows up with a mono-colored commander anyway.

>>96077148
Its a game over either way anon

>>96077154
There's John Benton but
>UBslop

>>96077157
not only does thoracle need less pieces iona isn't even a guaranteed kill as the color you'll name (blue) will hurt you too (because why aren't you running blue yourself) and people will just throw toxic/deadly rollick/swords at iona while you swing 3 times to kill one (1) player at a time

>>96077187
cross out that part about color naming as it's just your opponents, but you get my point

>>96077156
problem isnt that it can win the game the problem is that people played it just to screw 1 person out of the game which is why it was such a boogyman to the point it got banned in the first place

>>96077156
>Assuming someone even shows up with a mono-colored commander anyway.
funnily enough magda can easily win through iona as her primary wincons are colorless
>>96077211
iona is in all fairness a GC and when you play bracket 3 with only 3 GCs you'll realize that there are just better cards to play than her

>>96077118
She will if you want to make games miserable

>>96077222
>She will if you want to make games miserable
but you already have rhystic study legal though? and iona is supposed to be worse than that? lmao
and the higher you go in brackets the more likely draws and kingmaking becomes so your plot to make games "miserable" only serves as kingmaking for another guy to win

>>96077234
Rhystic study doesn't shut mono color players out of the game.

How hard is piloting a rainbow deck?
Is it just a case of slotting in chromatic lanterns a ton of expensive lands?

>>96077256
and thoracle shuts down every player out of the game, your point?
>but it's a 2 card combo!
what, you're actually planning to hardcast iona at turn 9 or something? (let's be generous and say you slammed her turn 5 with hard ramping); how is that any different from casting tooth and nail which will actually help you win the game?
also
>mono color
at b3 your mono color commander should be really good like magda/urza or have colorless removal in case of simic ramp decks

>>96076807
If it wasn't slop I'd use that food token

>>96076354
5 ghost bux

>>96076807
One on the far right isn't AI slop

>>96076806
>roaring earth is .30¢ despite having the exact same and most important part of scythe and bristly

EDHfags are greedy Timmys, news at 11

>>96077327
isn't the pricey part of bristly is that he's a mana sink for infinite mana in the command zone though?

>>96077337
nta But I have never seen a Bristley bill commander deck. He's always in the 99

>>96077350
if he's only in the 99 he's definitely overpriced
just thought of his price tag being justified by his mana sink ability for mono green (mana sink legendaries are notably something wotc is careful with ever since thrasios)

>>96077087
Im not baiting. Im saying the truth that anyone whos owned a business or engaged in sales knows: customers are hypocritical bitches that dont know what they want and will never be happy with what they get. Look at how much mtgfags cry about not having 3 block sets anymore. Well you know why we dont have those? Because when they made them the first set would sell, then sales dropped in the second, and by the third sales plummeted. Every single time. As much as retards might cry about muh sovlfvl 3 block golden age of magic when they had it they didnt buy it so clearly the player base didnt like that set up. They got rid of it and became more profitable as a result. Same with non-Commander formats, same with universes within. Wizards is making decisions based off the only tangible metric they have: sales. And consoomers have spoken: they love UB.

>order card kingdom
>oh shit i forgot to add a card
>order again
>oh shit i forgot to add a card
>order again
>repeat

>>96077154
Jasmine Boreal of the Seven vanilla ice cream party.

>>96077337
BB is thoroughly a 99 card. Doubling for 5 is acceptable but it's not nearly as relevant in real games as its landfall ability is. Not enough to justify BB being $40+. Scythe Cub potentially is. I'm just laughing at Timmygreed because the best part of these cards is deemed to be worth only about .10-.15¢ but they'll shell out any extra $40+ bucks for BB because of the secondary ability that they won't bother with in most games.

>>96077312
and yet, it looks the worst

>>96076576
Mad that they could have easily made this a buff to mono color instead

Remember that guy who sperged out when told that he would need to produce 1800 AI generated cards to keep up with Wizard's current output, and then he said Wizards doesn't even print that many cards, and then multiple people showed him that for the last 4 years it's actually been closer to 2000, and then he started talking about all the cards ever printed being averaged out over 30 years?
What the fuck was that all about?

>>96076649
Why not black waltz 3

>>96077499
UB slop

I'm sure this can only mean good things for Magic too.

>>96077501
Retard

>>96077505
I don't get what this means

>>96077505
It's mind-boggling how well this all works out for Hasbro. They commercialise everything and completely sell out. And the player base rewards them by buying more than they ever did. You can can complain about product fatigue and Universes Beyond and about franchises and whatnot until you turn blue in the face. These people make loads of money, they did everything right.

>>96077531
What does whatnot have to do with this

>>96077529
It means profit margins go up, quality of product go down

I'm going to go ahead and say it, i think EoE is actually shaping up to be a good set, shockingly enough. I thought it would be another stupid hat set but it seems to be doing things well enough

>>96077600
I don’t like Robots. I don’t like Spacecraft. I don’t like station. But other than that, yeah I like it fine. Better than Aetherdrift anyway.

>>96077600
you can't say that

>>96077600
It's a glorified trampoline

>>96077600
but where are the laser weapon cards at

>>96077600
You're not allowed to say anything good about it, its been deemed slop, end of discussion

How do you beat the bots and buy secret lairs?

>>96077781
I don't.

>>96075419
Tyler if you believe David
David if you believe Tyler

Motherfuckers can't kiss and make up

>>96077498
>anon makes claim
>anon is right
>zoomers pile on because they think they hold ultimate truth
Just business as usual

>>96076237
>>96076348
For some reason his pose reminds me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujcjnEO-YKU

>>96077797
Lmao there you are. You weren't right though were you? You didn't mention averages across the entire lifespan of the game until people had already proven that WotC actually publishes more than 1800 new cards a year, something you had claimed was impossible

i'm making a budget deck irl with like, table scraps from the bulk box. the landbase is about as good as i can afford, i might even just downgrade some of the pricier pieces like the floodfarm to basics, some of the pricier pieces like the dawn's truce and flawless maneuver i got from a few random bloomburrow packs i got given for my birthday or from an old precon my friend gave me. i also have the lathril preconn i've replaced a few cards with, but i'd like to try making a deck from scratch for the most part, i just don't really have the money right now to make anything "good" since i bought a house. i'm saving some money for the kilo precon when it drops.

does anyone have any suggestions on what to include or replace? i haven't gotten all of the cards (my lgs is really small so i'll probably have to explore other lgs or shop online), but this is what i'm working with; i need some way to close out games and i don't think beating people to death with fliers/kappa cannoneers is consistent enough.

https://moxfield.com/decks/PGEcdPCzt0GvolDtvYbtTQ

>>96077827
No steel overseer?

>>96077827
why does your bulk box scrap deck cost more than any of mine

I'm curious how the "Neheb, the Eternal" players play this card. I use spells that deal damage to each opponent for big mana gains and then play X spells that burn.

>>96075409
Playgroup drama is the best. I used to play with this guy and his girlfriend. There was nothing wrong with her. He would pout like a child when someone took him out of the game. He started an argument every single time someone used a card he didn't like and get seriously angry. He retrospectively changed his plays from three turns ago.
One day I had enough and told his girlfriend that I wouldn't play with them for a while. He contacted me via text messages. Just walls of text about how this makes him feel and other stuff and that we should talk. Like I broke up with him.

Green, white and blue. These are my favorite colors and you can't tell me otherwise.

>>96077832
oa i kind of forgot he existed, i'll probably drop the starting column for it since its kind of slow since i'll have start your engines on t2 more than likely. do you think it's worth slotting sapphire or pearl medallions in?
>>96077833
most of it is in the flawless maneuver and dawn's truce, i think the counterspell printing is also wrong im just using a cheapo one. the rest of it is basically stuff i got for free or cents on the dollar for volunteering to sort the bins

>>96077841
I don't think your curve is so high its warranted

>>96077787
Why not?

>>96077838
Dude needs to get a grip if he reacts like that to games. Maybe a therapist to help him. I'm surprised his gf isn't turned off by that.

>>96077839
How can I tell you what you favorite colors are? Don't be a silly billy

>>96075178
Neighbors got crazier than usual and the landlord did nothing about it, I looked for a new apartment, found one, packed my stuff and moved. I thought it was because I was too busy. Way better now, but still not any interest in playing magic, was not depressed and didn't gain weight, but thanks for your concern.

>>96077838
Playgroups vary. I've been part of two. One was mature and the other was not. For the immature group I started playing for fun and let them win some games. I realized that was all they wanted, wins. The mature group on the other hand was about having a good time as a group and having quality time.

>>96074857
Are we getting another version of this guy just like with Sami and alpharaiel?

>>96075515
Imagine having standards this low

>>96077933
How do you beat the bots, and scalpers and get secret lairs?

>>96077861
Our 4th player never lasted very long. Either because that player's decks were "too strong" or because they didn't want to come anymore. And that irked me the most. This guy pretended I was doing some terrible anime betrayal by not playing with them anymore. At the same time he had no qualms to not invite somebody anymore for some ridiculous reason. At the end I started to believe that there was something seriously wrong with the guy.

What is your most expensive commander? Not deck. The commander itself.

>>96077953
Black-bordered Dakkon Blackblade. Around 50€.

>>96077600
Yes it's obvious seethetards are digging edge of trooninities. It's a high power Marvelshit Spaceshit set full of memberberries to some old MTG stuff and lots of references to zoomershit like amogus and guardians of the galaxy. It's obviously going to be a big hit.

Reminder none of you seethefags actually hate WOTC, UB, FIRE design, price gouging, etc - all you hate is the art design. None of you actually care about MtG's "lore" or aesthetic and power level consistency, all you care about is the art on the cards, and when a set that pleases you visually comes along that is solely what determines if it's a good set in your opinion.

>>96077953

>>96077953
jaheira

>>96077933
I don't have to imagine it

>>96077969
None of what you said are even real words

>>96077953
bought this baddie for 70€ over a year ago, but it's now going for around 200€

How does your LGS do Sunday Commander? Do they give incentives? Do they charge you to play? Do they reward you to play?

>>96078030
she cute

>>96078069
they don't

>>96077953
Fourteenth Doctor foil at 93 dollars.

>>96078101
How does he play

>playing edh at a friend's place
>vial smasher / ishai control
>grixis mishra artifacts
>urza prince of kroog tokens
>nymris flash tribal (me)
>game was like 4 hours long bc every time the artifact decks did anything, 4c cast a board wipe and every time 4c tried to combo, I had like 5 counterspells in hand
>eventually I just naturally drew enough cards with nymris that the only card in my deck was nexus of fate
>looped it a million times and eventually killed everyone with my shitty 1/6 commander
this was the worst game I've played in years

>>96078119
Inconsistently.

>>96078020
>"no u!"

>>96078158
You can't even no u properly kek

>>96077953
I pulled him from a pack, honest. Never would have built him otherwise. Funny enough the previous Commander, Xiaohu Dun, is even more expensive.

>>96078162
Brewing it now, how do you like him

Thinking of buying the LCI Commander Deck bundle.
Found it on sale at a shop near me, and the individual decks are just like... completely unavailable in my country.
They any good? I think they look neat but I'd appreciate any opinions from folk who know a bit more about what they're talking about.

>>96078162
Ol sephiroth strikes me as a great contamination lock commander

>>96078130
What do we learn from that? Play more than one wincon that relies on your deck being almost empty.

>>96078167
I like him fine enough, he's just aristocrats with the sac outlet AND payoff being the same card, which can lead to nutty turns. I ABSOLUTELY sure my build is shit compared to the heights you can take him but my playgroup isn't powerful enough for me to want to build him like that anyway. I will say, he is fun to me, but I like aristocrats as a playstyle and I love being the Archenemy, hamming it up and role-playing as the game progress.
PROTIP: Role-playing as either your Commander or as the planeswalker that recruited your Commander makes the game fun. TRUTH.

Games with the boys today. Going to be some suffering due to being with 5. We've got aircon do deal with the weather, luckily. Gonna play some Henzie and the final fantasy bant counters precon.
Best of fun to everyone else playing today! :D

>>96077600
I'm gonna come out and say it but 'hat sets' are fine.
Aether Drift was a decent set, so was Duskmourn. The issue is a lack of block format to make the story in anyway interesting. Aether drift having its race resolved in the same set you're told about it kills any enthusiasm for knowing who won the race. It should have been two smaller sets, with the first setting up the teams and the second showing who wins. Same for Duskmourn, and same for this set.

>>96077781
If I can't buy it and it's sold out I just proxy it. If WoTC doesn't want my money they won't get it.

>>96078101
>proudly gave away $100 for UB sloppa.
kys please

>>96078194
>PROTIP: Role-playing as either your Commander or as the planeswalker that recruited your Commander makes the game fun. TRUTH.
if i wanna see reddit tier writing id go there.

>>96078101
why was this set racist against black doctors

>>96077499
Black watlz is in the 99 he makes a great blocker since once I'm shooting for damage with cantrips I don't need to swing. He just doesn't do enough to be a commander.

>>96078341
removing blocks has been nothing but a net negative for the game. You used to be able to sit in a plane for awhile and they could build off of mechanics or tribal synergies or whatever but now we just blitz from one plane to the other and it’s a wonder they even still bother writing lore to justify anything going on

>>96078402
Because no matter what Wizards says, IP licensors view black as evil and will never allow their heroes to have black color identity even if they probably should. 9th and 10th Doctors absolutely had black in their identity because of the fall of Gallifrey

>>96078357
Retard

>>96078419
It's really weird because it's not like they would be making less product even if they did, just break the sets in half. 300+ new cards/set is insane and has to be burning creative out.

>>96078426
Isn't one of blacks core identities "Power at any cost"? not just evil actions. I don't know if any of the doctors desired power like that. But maybe I'm wrong, I'm not really a whovian or whatever the fuck they call themselves

>>96078458
Every color has a lot of meanings anon.
In any case, 9th Doctor tortured a Dalek because it was helpless- not just tortuing a helpless dalek but torturing it because it couldn't stop it and he enjoyed seeing it hurt. The whole point of the episode was that he was more like the hateful creatures than he wanted to admit.
10th had a whole god complex arc and named himself The Time Lord victorious, deciding that he alone could rewrite history as he wished.

If that shit isn't black, I don't know what is.

>>96076984
So you admit then that slop is all consuming and forced upon people in Magic because of the masses loving slop ie real franchises more than nerd shit. You can't simply out money groups that are exponentially larger than you.

>>96078130
>play card advantage: the Commander
>play control
>play combo
>combo is only wincon
>complain that games take to long
>then proceed to call a cEDH viable commander "trash"

everyone has their hate boner for Simic players, but Dimir edgelords are the truly insufferable

>>96076984
>Market speaks. You boomers who were playing before the big UB shift weren't buying enough packs for the company to care
I will never understands why faggots like you will present corporate interests as your own interests.
If Wizards made a dollar more printing cards on your flayed skin, they would slaughter you in an instant.

>>96078481
Very true, and straight from the mtg wiki

> Black believes that the only measure of right and wrong should be whether or not an approach leads to success: amorality, rather than morality or immorality. Unnecessary suffering in Black's view is the result of a counterproductive approach, yet in different circumstances, the same approach could be the right one. Black knows the value of selfishness, so it is open to opportunities and strategies rejected by others as taboo or forbidden—undeath, torment, infection, betrayal. Black characters will ensure their well-being even at the expense of others; to Black, anything less only allows others to do the same. Thus, Black does everything possible to gain the only commodity that can secure it from weakness and ensure its ability to get whatever it needs or wants—power, even omnipotence. The only thing Black values more than its own life is its own will, as it sees the self as that which is most precious to all beings.

seems pretty black to me. Didn't Kamigawa have one of the main heros have black in their colors? I think a set where our hero wanted to defeat the villain at any cost or any amount of lives would be pretty cool desu. I don't think Wizards would ever go for it with the marvel direction they are currently going but oh well.

>>96078489
is a 5mana sort on a stick really cEDH viable? I feel like there a cheaper options in that same color.

>>96078504
it is, because it lets you look at and filter 6 cards per rotation, that is in addition to you standard issue instant speed cantrips and interaction

>>96078504
>I don't think Wizards would ever go for it with the marvel direction they are currently going but oh well.
There are certain things this company will never ever do, but the primary one that's always stuck out to me over the years is the utter lack of an actual mono green villain. Not just green in size but not color like the eldrazi, not multicolor green like cursed Garruk, and not just the token green guy (Vorinclex) that was created to fill out a cycle of bad guys. I'm talking a true green villain that is presented as such. All the other colors have had their turn as the bad guy but it has only ever fallen on green if one of the other colors can share the burden of evil.

>>96075501
This is real cute.

>>96078634
it is!
https://kemono.su/patreon/user/10246302/post/41527586

Damn I miss Alara
I wonder if boxes of it would be too expensive to get to make a draft/cube

>>96078659
The goblin girl bush made it even better. Thanks anon.

>>96078632
Nissa, Elf Supremacist could have been a fun way to go for it if they didn't retcon it.

>>96078504
>Didn't Kamigawa have one of the main heros have black in their colors?
Toshiro Umezawa, and he was *monoblack* even.

>>96078341
The thing with sets doing genre pastiche is that they're often too afraid to actually commit to the fucking genre.
Duskmourn was a love letter to 80s horror and it was downright enthusiastic about doing silly campy 80s horror shit like THE MEATHOOK MASSACRE... 2 and having cards have a Scary Guy somewhere in the frame lurking. It actually did something with its genre inspiration. The genre sets people get angry about refused to be genre sets at all, like Aetherdrift which refused to embrace the core silliness of Wacky Races or OTJ with tried to dodge the fundamental premise of a western but in doing so just tied itself up harder and created a plane that literally had nothing going on.

>>96078747
>Duskmourn was a love letter to 80s horror
Lmao

>>96076649
Sorry for the late reply, I've been thinking of making Kuja but normally I don't do more than one deck in the same color identity (and im building Kolaghan)
So I'd either have to cut Kolaghan and build a different Dragon deck, or just bite the bullet. I love the cards that make the wizard tokens, and I adore FF9s Black Mages and that whole plot line. If I built Kefka i could do all of it, but I'd have to dig for the tokens and such, but I'd get access to Vivi, Blue Mages Cane, and Emperor of Palamecia

>>96078747
People also hate Duskmourn just as much as OTJ and Aetherdrift, so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

>>96078734
>>96078504
Chainer was also a mono-black protagonist and pretty cool even if his story doesn't end well. Also Sorin and Davriel Cane are decent guys who are mono black planeswalkers. Liliana probably veers too much into evil to count.

>>96078909
They really don't. DSK was vastly more popular then either.

>>96078426
Black being banned from heroes will continue to be a thing in UB sets forever, probably. Or they'll do silly things to skirt around making it their color identity like they did with Aang.

>>96078921
This would have been perfect as a new 4 color commander. Works great for what it is and could've been so sweet then they just slap black on the back.

>>96078921
In what way is Aang black though?

>>96078921
Also why does he have Firebending on his base card when it's the last thing he learns? Maybe they're going to do the LOTR thing and have multiple cards of the same character

>>96078905
Kuja is more fun than Kefka and easier to play at 2 colors.

>>96077620
>but where are the laser weapon cards at
if you're a good deckbuilder you should know exactly what archetype this slots into

>>96078959
Fair
This is the stuff from what was going to become the Kefka deck, the Rakdos half at least. I've got a Lotus Petal I'll probably throw in, not sure how powerful it should be aimed for. I've got an Ancient Tomb, Mox Ambers, etc.

>>96078988
This would be so fun in grixis Mishra if he had 5 toughness. But sadly it kills him, so it's entirely useless.
Might still be fun in my Lord of Pain deck.

>>96078632
>There are certain things this company will never ever do, but the primary one that's always stuck out to me over the years is the utter lack of an actual mono green villain.
because biases creep into storytelling and as easy as it is to put tyrants into white, insane scientists into blue, stereoptypical evil into black, and chaos lovers into red, treehuggers will never be seen as evil for people living in renton WA
>>96078680
case in point

>>96079018
hint: any deck that would slot in picrel will slot in battleship as a 2nd copy, with the new card having a lower ceiling but a better floor

>>96079008
What happens to the Izzet cards?

>>96078905
> I don't do more than one deck in the same color identity (and im building Kolaghan)
So I'd either have to cut Kolaghan and build a different Dragon deck, or just bite the bullet
This is a dumb way of thinking and you should absolutely bite the bullet

>>96078680
I miss this because it actually made her interesting. Instead they retconned her into a lesbian. Disappointing

>>96079070
Honestly, I might just convert Kolaghan into Ganax + Guild Artisan as a Mono-Red Treasure/Dragon deck and focus my Rakdos stuff on Kuja. I also have a spare deckbox so I can build either Vivi or The Emperor
>>96079062
It's mostly blue, but these were in the same pile. Vivi would probably appreciate them the most.

>>96078940
We went over this at length when the card was first revealed, but the entire fucking point of Last Airbender is about balance. Aang is interested in power, and revenge. At various times in the show he blows up and seriously hurts people. However he's afraid of that side of himself and tries to supress it for the longest time. It's why true fans view taking away Ozai's bending instead of killing him as a cop out.

But more to the point, the avatar spirit is the world spirit. Or was. Look, we're not treating Korra as canon, fuck you. Spirits can be "evil" in universe, when balance is upset. As the literal spirit of the planet itself, Aang has the capacity for all things, black should not be excluded from his identity, especially not when the card already shows him in avatar state on the front, meaning he is tapping into all his lives and not just who he is as Aang.

It's difficult simply because 1. Magic really doesn't define identity well in 4 and 5 colors, but 2. IP licensors view black as the evil color and don't want it on their heroes.

You can dance around "is Aang REALLY 5c though??????" all you fucking want, but the bottom line is you will not see any "good guy" characters in Spider-Man or AtLA with black in their identity because the companies behind them said so.

>>96079074
writing generic evil is one thing, but the one thing companies will never delve into are concepts that trigger people even if it's entirely fiction, such as racism and abuse of children

>>96079099
Dude those boxes are sick, do you have more?

>>96079099
DONT BE A PUSSY, TWO RAKDOS DECKS OR I RIOT

>>96079134
Look 3D printed, chill the fuck out redditor.

>>96079134
Yeah they're 3d printed, I have more but only 7 fit in my case. This is all the stuff I bring to my LGS weekly (might change Savra for mono black Sephiroth).
>>96079143
How about Ganax + Agent of the Iron Throne? Treasures/Dragons with good access to treasure makers and artifact synergies like Hellkite Tyrant and Rain of Riches as wincons.
>>96079152
This guy is right

>>96079166
>literally every single deck is going to he UBslop
You can't make this shit up

>177 decks
I swear so much of the FF stuff is being criminally underrated right now

>>96079181
>mtg playerbase being full of whites and asians
>expecting them to larp as a stereotypical black guy
lol

>>96078182
>>96078489
Why do you assume I only had one wincon and not that my other ones were simply removed or countered?
Are you retarded?

>>96079198
Why do you think I said "criminally underrated"

Any tips for building dragons where I’m not just filling my deck with good stuff?

>>96079166
>Tribal UBslop
>Artifact UBslop
>Tribal Artifact UBslop
>UBslop
>Tribal UBslop
>UBslop
>Aristocrat UBslop
Not one fun archetype and it's all slop. You're definitely the most miserable person to play against at a table.

>>96079216
>Slop!

>>96079125
I disagree with Aang being black (i think he's a mostly Jeskai character) but overall, yeah pretty much. Black's definitely getting put into the evil guys and nobody else.
...what good guys WOULD get Black in Avatar, anyway? Kyoshi?

>>96079216
I only see one blue black deck though

>>96079216
What s meaningless post

>>96079223
Based post

>>96079219
Kyoshi in Abzan, Jet in Rakdos, Roku in Mardu, Yangchen in Mardu too.

>>96079219
Yeah Kyoshi should be golgari or jund probably.
I think Zuko can have a print of him after he's redeemed and still have black. Literally the final fucking episode, after just saying he can't take Azula and he shouldn't let her bait him into a 1v1 he lets her fucking bait him into a 1v1.

It's a difficult setting to work color philosophy into because by necessity the person most obsessed with power is Ozai. Azula, obviously, but she's just copying Ozai.
There aren't really any characters that are nuanced enough to have black qualities while being good.
I guess the bloodbender woman? She's the villain of an episode, but in the grand scheme of things she is opposed to the fire nation

>>96079256
I can see Zuko being Mardu

>>96079214
Tribal decks just mean that you use the good or synergistic stuff in those colors, this is the stuff from Ureni that I'm turning into Ganax + Agent of the Iron Throne.
Not featured: Hellkite Courser because it feels irrelevant in a deck where it's more expensive than the Commander
>>96079216
>slopslopslopslopslopslopslopslop
Lmao

>>96079256
Zuko starts as Boros, gains Black as he joins the team (now he has his own ambitions that aren't just slaved to his father's approval)

>>96079216
I hope you slop your brains out with a shotgun, to be honest buddy.
At this point I'm all for more cutting off my nose and getting a fuck ton of new ub releases just so you in specific shit your pants in impotence when I play Gambit, Raging Cajun equipped with a Denver Broncos' foam finger and the rocket launcher from tf2 to kill your commander with a card throw or something

>>96079256
>Literally the final fucking episode, after just saying he can't take Azula and he shouldn't let her bait him into a 1v1 he lets her fucking bait him into a 1v1.
that's the reddest shit imaginable, to be fair.
like Urabrask planning a rebellion for dozens of sets and being hyped up for an IRL decade only to end up having his plan be "run at Elesh Norn with no backup and then die slowly and painfully"

>>96079216
Just so you know, a majority of posters agree with you. Don't let the samefagging tripfag trick you into thinking anyone here likes UB.

>>96079181
I actually am waiting on one of him to come in the mail alongside a Sephiroth so I can turn the 2/2s into 7/5s.
I legit am enjoying this set quite a bit, I'll probably buy another collector's pack next paycheck just because I've been really enjoying all the foils and extended artwork. Might have to bite the bullet and just buy a buster sword outright tho

>>96079267
Kolaghan is cooler than Ganax.

>>96076235
It's really not good but if I'm honest, I like some swing and variance in card games to make every match a little different and this is a fun one to suddenly just shit out damage out of nowhere and sometimes the dice roll kills combo pieces as a funny bonus

>>96079330
Whose the commander?

>>96079372
Nothing too exciting, just decided to make a full on ff7 themed deck with as many of the party and 7 themed cards as I could

>>96079336
You've got that right, and he's more conducive to a strong 2 since it's just a sloppy "Turn Dragons Sideways" deck and that blanket buff looks small but can get big fast with those cheap Dragons like Patron of the Arts and Reckless Barbarian

I'm taking the Rakdos spellslinger pill. What are some fun spells like Delirium and Hatred to throw in there?

>>96079418
Corrosion is a fun enchantment that iirc is Rakdos

>>96079418
Tainted strike

>>96079418
Lotus Petal + Underworld Breach + Grinding Station let's you kill everyone with Black Waltz

>>96079418
Rakdos is terrible spellslinger, build Vivi

>>96079481
>Rakdos is terrible spellslinger, build Vivi
while you are correct that vivi is a better spellslinger there's value in getting black over blue in a bracket 2 power level and not being targeted by everyone the moment you show your commander

>>96079490
>bracket 2
>yeah guys my deck sucks on purpose
>small bean syndrome is an entire bracket now
God I hate you

>>96079481
Who cares? Commander aren't necessarily being picked based on who's the best at something.

>>96078374
Roleplaying as the color identity of your deck is the real secret. When I play monogreen stompy I hate artifacts and everyone who makes 'em. When I play my izzet decks I love my mana rocks

>>96079493
>he needs to WIN the casual multiplayer card game

lmao lol

>>96079497
>>96079506
See >>96079493
Also
>winning bad
Why play a competitive game if winning offends your senses? Go fishing or something if competition upsets you.

>>96079493
>no broken stuff like underworld breach
>a meta where i don't have to jam rhystic study in every blue deck
>smol beaning using an uncommon commander actually makes sense and doesn't insult your intelligence
yeah isn't bracket 2 great

>>96079514
>the waacfag mind can’t comprehend fun and flavor over pure functionality

>>96079514
>Why play a competitive game if winning offends your senses?
why post vivi then when you can win with much better with actual nonmeme commanders like blue farm and rogsi
please don't taint the general with non cedh slop next time ewww

Almost done my lobster brew. It's shaping up to be another budget bomb

Only red actually matters for spellslinging. Blue black white green are all support pieces there. Red is what will allow you to actually pop off what with rituals and cards like storm kiln

>>96079481
What a stupid attitude

>>96078921

>>96079493
>Can I play with you guys
>Yeah, we wanna try out precon level decks
>Oh, I only have cEDH decks, so I don't think this'll work out
I can make up scenarios just the same. Or are you the type to just pubstomp against a bunch of noobs?

>>96079544
Post it please

>>96079568
Pubstomping isn't real, just winners and losers anon. I'm sorry someone busted your balls in dodgeball or whatever to the point where you criminalize people being better than you.

>>96079514
I want to win playing a deck I think is fun. Playing brainless OP commanders is only fun if you're a brainlet. There's a major difference between trying to win by using clever or fun strats like timing a perfect Tainted Strike or making my opponents forcibly beat each other to death with Goad than just "whelp I cast a bunch of cantrips and have reached that point where I can generate 10+ mana and can now infinite you for infinite damage/slap you with a +100/+100 counter creature GG noobs!"

If your goal is solely to win as efficiently as possible and you're playing commander and not standard or modern or cedh you're just a boring sweatlord coward.

>>96079578
>>96079532
don't avoid the question you fag
don't post meme commanders in my cedh board ever again

>>96079570

>>96079583
>play tainted strike
>clever
>fun
Wow it's retarded

>>96079493
Are you retarded?
Do you only ever play the "absolute best" commanders in every archetype?

>>96079583
>If your goal is solely to win as efficiently as possible and you're playing commander and not standard or modern or cedh you're just a boring sweatlord coward.
>btw using infect to kill everyone is a perfectly fine strategy and is beloved by everyone, because 40 life is just too much
ngl you kinda self report on yourself

For me, it's an indestructible creature with entangler. It's not glamorous but it gets the job done

I win by giving all my creatures +10/+10 and unblockable then swinging for an instant kill on everyone
guess my commander

>>96079208
because you didnt mention it in you shitass greentext, smoothbrain

>>96079570
When I get home I will! I mostly pulled from what I own and then ill be buying 10 cards so the only ones I have at the ready are the ten cards, maybe an hour or two

>>96079633
>>96079621
Yes dummies, holding up TS to slap it on someone else's creature when some other player can't/won't block or as a rider for some other damage ability to insta knock a player out is clever and fun. You also cry about Berserk or Overrun effects or fling?

>see strong commander pregame
>keep an opening hand with interaction i can hold on to
>manage to have a fun game still
Sometimes you gotta plan guys. You wouldn't show up to a soccer match wearing ice skates.

>>96079750
I wouldn't show up to a soccer match at all

>>96079737
>You also cry about Berserk or Overrun effects or fling?
no because they still have to deal 40 damage, 21 if it's commander combat damage
infect making people have 10 life is like killing someone with kaalia -> master of cruelties, surely you're not going to salt over the latter now are you? lmao

>>96079514
>mtg
>competitive
EL
OH
EL

>>96076396
I run the first Kambal. People remove him constantly, so I assume he gets the job done quite well

>>96079765
TS is a perfectly fine combat trick. If someone is taking 10 outright damage from a single source they've probably already lost. Or they're being cocky, like a lifegainer with 100 health that thinks they don't need to block the 10/10, etc. Not comparable at all to Kaalia nonsense.

>>96079806
>kaalia master of cruelties is nonsense even if you see it coming
>but tainted strike surprise buttsex because haha no blocks is totally not worth rolling your eyes over i promise!
i see you're too casual to be logically consistent
alas, it is what it is
lol

>>96075614
1-1 on Commander night so far with this setup, though I got giga scummed this Friday. The whole game felt a bit invalidated because of an abrupt ending that only happened because a player lied to the table.

One of my friends seethes every time I call this a "sticker deck" because he said there's too many cringe staples, and that it's "too commander focused" to be a true sticker deck.

But the whole build hinges on getting stickers attached to Ukkima, so I think he was just seething that he got deleted by a perma 7/2 Undying-sticker'd Whale Wolf with "when this creature leaves the battlefield, draw a card"

>>96076708
Not sure what turn we went to, but in a 6 person game it was 3-4 hours. We all agreed after it was probably the best game of MTG we have had as a regular playgroup. Definitely agree with you on the back and forth

Ok who is the best orzhov aristocrats vampire Conquistador commander? I haven't had a basic aristocrats deck for several years and now feel like building one again.

If someone plays bojuka bog, can I sac enhanced surveillance at instant speed to avoid the hate? or do land etbs work differently since lands don't use the stack or whatever

>>96079929
Playing a land doesn't use the stack. Triggers use the stack always. It's not playing Bojuka Bog that opens up a round of priority as it's a land drop, it's the trigger that occurs when Bojuka Bog enters.

>>96079941
this is incorrect

>>96079964
No it's not retard.

>mfw somebody played Kormus Bell and then used wrath of God, essentially setting me back to turn 1 and another guy at the table to turn 4
I'm not even mad, I'm just confused. Who the fuck plays Kormus Bell?

>>96080006
>Who the fuck plays Kormus Bell?
an oldfag clearly

>>96077953
>$4,275

>>96077953
Secret Lair Teysa currently.
I have Zask too but he was £2 when i pulled him and now he's almost on par with Teysa somehow
Probably more because he's altered to be full art

>>96075290
My biggest Irk with Avalanche is that they just aren't good into their best match up.

If your opponent has a dozen artifacts down, they don't have to try very hard to ping these guys off the table and they won't be threatened by a 12/3 menace.


Vazi seems to just throw some hate onto Treasure usage but like I don't think you getting +1/+1 on a creature and a card would stop me from saccing three treasures to make a huge play.

Monkey seems very fun and casual.

>>96075290
Friend has vazi , and while it's fun, it kinda sucks. She's too expensive to get out onto the field

Avalanche is sadly not very good, better in 99

I would do the monkey

>>96080124
>My biggest Irk with Avalanche is that they just aren't good into their best match up
Very flavorful card in that case

>>96080164
Based lore enjoyer

>>96079514
>Competitive
Yes I'm sure a massive exercise in prisoner's dilemma where you're trying to see who gets bullied into mulling for Force against Rog/Si, followed by that person realizing they can waste 45 minutes to declare a tie is a very competitive format.

Need my friends to start playing magic again and stop wasting their time with one piece I hate the lgs

>>96080063
I misread the original post, thought it was asking what the most expensive commander was, not which one you owned.

>>96080264
Same answer for me I think. I had a ghyrson deck for a while but just recently gave the card to my friend who I originally gave the rest of the tyranid deck to. I own quite a few but yoshi is the only expensive one I have built

>>96079839
If thats your friend's definition of too many staples he would hate my deck

I like how Green can just be like "no, FUCK you, dude, stop," with cards sometimes

>>96080328
ok

>>96078940
Oh, see, he has the normal range of human emotions, which means black is in his color identity because he has more than a second of experiencing "anger" or "hate". According to this one idiot's rubric, everyone would be WUBRG.

>>96079929
>Bojuka Bog enters
>this puts its trigger on the stack (targeting you)
>round of priority
You can absolutely use it to protect yourself, another reason I love that card in Golbez as a backup protection card. The on-field effect is so mild until the engine is roaring that it never really warrants removal

As a magic the gathering fan I had never played final fantasy games before, and through UB I realized how bored I was of magic and so I've quit and started playing the final fantasy games starting with 1.

>>96080369
Yeah. It's why I like the color, having a direct game plan with some cards that can simply brute force it when people leave mana open in preparation to counter you is nice

>>96080500
The best ones are six seven eight nine and 10. They are all good but those are the best. One is a classic

>>96080328
Yep.

>>96080527
7, 9, 6, 4 and to a lesser extent 8 are all fucking great

>>96080500
14's an MMO so probably skip that unless you want your year long task to become multiple years long.

>>96080529
That into sigarda when they're trying to target one of your boys you absolutely need around feels amazing

>>96080500
Enjoy anon. There's a few questionable design choices sometimes like ff2s leveling system, but you'll really hit a golden era from like 4-10.
Be sure to play tactics at some point too, 1 was one of my personal GOATs on ps1

>>96080527
Also 4 and 5.

>>96080542
Oh yeah I forgot 4. Four is great. I also really enjoyed 10

>>96079839
>Ukimma sticker
did you make that? it's kind of cute

>>96080608
Don't forget tactics advance! That game is amazing and certainly one of my favorites

>>96080500
3 (3d remake for Luneth), 4, 5, 7, 9, and 10 are fantastic. 6 is a game that puts me to sleep but is a super iconic and good game so I recommend it, and 8 is great but riddled with being... something else and that's coming from one of 8's very few fans.

>>96080640
Nah. I'd never play a commander pushed as Ukkima if it wasn't to enable stickers specifically. I bought it off some etsy shop I found on google and defaced the card.

Though in hindsight I guess I should've made an available spare for people to read. For whatever reason players don't bother asking for me to reiterate the text after I've explained it several times, and then act surprised when he does exactly what I've told them it does.

>>96080710
> 8 is great but riddled with being... something else
What do you mean by this

>>96080730
The game has a LOT of weird and seemingly janky mechanics, the escalating leveling system so grinding is actively bad for you, the fact the card game is 10x more profitable than combat for items, and the odd plot. I love the plot, but there's lots of strange bits. Oh and Rinoa sucks.

Bros, what's the best way to get the Sanic secret lair tomorrow? Is the back door way patched yet?

>>96080730
>>96080761
ff8 isn't a very good love story especially when square could've done the logical and narratively satisfying thing and made ultimecia as rinoa from the future

>>96080500
>im dropping one bad series for another

>it's another fucking off-topic list of numbers episode
welp, time to get to work

What's the best way to build elenda to maximize the amount of vampire tokens created?

>>96080840
Aristocrats obviously, and with things like Ojer-Taq, Anointed Procession, etc. But make sure you have cheap reanimation to avoid having to recast her unless you're running things like Ashnod's/Phy Altars. Drop a ton of tokens into the bin, then kill her, recast, then do it again

>>96080665
Tactics Advance was a great one too. I liked the story of 1 and the option to recruit my GOAT Cloud more in the OG but damn i was addicted to that and Tactics Ogre on my GBA

>>96080866
>Token doublers
Shit advice

>>96080730
Junction is kind of a really really retarded and game breaking mechanic, the money system where it's your SEED rank, the fact you could just spam limit breaks that did so much damage you could one shot optional bosses with a high strength and Irvine's rapid fire bullets and a few of the plot twists were kinda bad. Still a rock solid game but damn was it a weird position between 7s elegant materia system and 9s really fun customizable gear based one

Magic The Gathering?

>>96080919
Am I the only one that doesn't really like the materia system? I found it really awkward

>>96080866
I should have specified - I already knew the general ideas, but I was wondering if there was anything like super persist, where I could recur her so she enters with counters on her so I can chain sacrifices. Or if there was a way to give her counters when I gain life like the angels do. Other niche tech like that

>>96080928
talking about universes beyond is on topic

>>96080951
Talking about FF and their inclusion as magic cards, yes.
Talking about FF games, no.

>>96080937
I thought it was pretty great and intuitive myself, only weakness was the ability gain speed was pretty fucking slow compared to standard xp gain

>>96080951
we'll see..

>>96080945
You can use Ratadrabik, Luminous Broodmoth or Malakir Rebirth to get her back instantly. Two of the Teysas can also synergise pretty well I imagine.

>>96080945
You could go with Cathars' Crusade and stuff like Soul Cauldron to give her persist, shenanigans like that
Cauldron Haze as well. There's also those black spells that return something that dies like Malakir Rebirth and Not Dead After All

>>96080958
but how can we get the references if we don't talk about the games themselves?

Is it a good idea to get the Blame Game precon and turn it into Marisi or just get the individual cards i need for it?

>>96080974
which game being your favorite is not a reference, asinine-anon-kun

>>96080997
someone just said they learned of final fantasy through magic and wants to play them given he's bored of mtg
>>96080500
so really the advertising is precisely why square enix did the collab with mtg in the first place, ub at work baby

Vivi or Lord Master of Hell (Emperor of Palamecia)?

>>96081029
david bowie unless youre ready to be archenemy every game as everyone races to be the first to kill vivi any time he hits the field

>impulse buy two FF play boosters
>second booster has both of pic related
I guess fate is telling me to build a monoB FF deck

Wheres the guy who said he finished this deck? I wanna see your list! Mine is almost done just need to fill the rest of the deck with draw and interaction (ramp is gay). Ima try to get around 10 more of each so I have a few slots if anyone sees any things I overlooked!

https://archidekt.com/decks/14494018/ragost

>>96081017
>someone just said
so? that post didn't ask for opinions. should we start rating and reviewing the spiderman movies too in a couple of months since I started watching them?
then add in all the other media crossover drivel and there is no one left to talk about that one weird urza commander deck, just pop-culture noise

>>96081133
How do you build David Bowie? I don't like focusing on Instants and Sorceries and prefer enchantments and artifacts..

>>96081191
4cmc spellslinger with some self mill

my friends said there already starting to lose interest in magic because theres too many decks and they dont like that every deck can do "so much stuff"
there used to playing bandai and bushiroad games and they think having interaction on an opponents turn isnt fair
guess i need to start looking for random pods again

>>96081241
Self mill?

>>96081254
Tbh, there's a reason why every other game doesn't allow interaction on your opponent's turn

>>96081254
>what do you mean I can't just pay to win? I have to pay AND know how to play?!

>>96081296
read the other side of emperor

>>96081299
they mostly play shit like UA and weiss, but every game in those games play out the same and theres basically 0 thought, they were excited about final fantasy so i gave them all list and tried to help them learn but one of the guys who bought sephiroth doesnt like playing because he cant only play sephiroth and he basically gives up if anything on his board dies which is fucking wild considering he built sephiroth

>>96081187
sorry UB got your feathers ruffled but random talk about spiderman movies and why avatar legend of korra sucks and (whatever is going on with the next UB) every now and then is just how it's going to be moving forward ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>96081299
I haven't played many multiplayer card games outside of hearthstone and pokemon when I was younger, but doesn't the lack of interaction on other's turns just turn into solitaire strategies?

I remember I was able to nolife hearthstone during the great beyond because I could play my turn in 30 seconds, go write half an email, switch tabs, and then execute the same protoss rogue combo line with no interaction (especially since secrets are kinda bad)

>>96081187
You are talking like a nerd emoji, if it upsets your autism this bad just give it a few minutes and things will get back on track soon enough
>>96081170
I pulled 2 of Vincent in one pack and got a surge foil of him in another collector's pack earlier, I think i got a similar vibe that I should embrace the mono

>UB tourists actually hate the game and dont contribute to its overall longevity
Shocking!

>>96081299
So you can loop every card out of your opponent's hand with zero chance for them to respond!

>>96081372
Depends on the game, a good game will have you alter your strategy and plays based on the opponents last turn
I would say based on that sometimes it does feel "solitaire" like but the games are easier to pick up and the decks easier to build

>>96081395
Unironically yes
Pokemon I think is a great example of ta game that has no opponents turn interaction
That doesn't mean they don't fuck up occasionally like in your pic

>>96081372
I played during the times when freeze mage was everywhere and I just kept thinking "fuck me why is there nothing i can do to interrupt this clear game plan?" I'm glad Magic lets you have that interaction to decide what bullshit you want to even come out onto the field even if you can run into those situations where you can get mana screwed/flooded or some guy runs a combo that makes your deck eat total shit

>>96081335
I meant what kind of self mill
Palantir?

>>96081380
That's the UW purists at this point

>>96081380
>how dare mtg pivot to UB when us true players absolutely bought every damned set during its 3 set period!
roru rumao

>>96081409
I disagree
Games like Pokemon have a good amount of things you can do to screw with your opponent, they just all happen on your turn

Basically everyone gets to "do the thing", meanwhile in magic pro tour games are decided by mulligans and whose deck actually decides to perform

>>96081372
i try to play every card game i can since i like learning shit, but most bushiroad games and other shit just get so fucking boring to me, if yugioh wasnt in such an awful state for the last few years id still be playing but i fucking love playing commander because of the freedom i get to do shit and being able to completely pick my playstyle and sculpt a deck around it
and the other issue with weiss and a bunch of other games is how little control you have, very small draw power and winning or losing is completely decided on life triggers or climaxes in deck so i think thats also why they like them since you can excuse lack of skill for having good luck

>>96081413
>target yourself
>swing for a 20-30 ping on everyone
>play an extra combat spell and do it again
something along those lines anyways

>>96081406
Anon, there's more than one card that systematically takes away every chance for your opponent has to even try to address your opener.

>>96081448
ive only been playing pokemon for a few months and i was instantly able to realize how fucking broken this card is, this and boss are the 2 strongest cards in the game

>>96081468
Kneel before your god.

>>96081474
god i fucking hate budew so much

>>96081448
>>96081468
They still get played on your turn though. There is no instant response on the opponents turn. And additionally every single deck has access to those cards.

Plus they aren't even pure benefits. I would say 50% of the time iono gets me what I need instead of disruption

You just end up with a game that's easier to understand compared to magic

>>96081340
>>96081377
ok gotcha, gonna bring up unrelated shit to fuck up the threads from now on

>>96081474
This thing is the worst

>>96081483
Oh glad to hear that you have your lynchpin in your 4. Don't get too attached to it because you're about to discard all of those followed by me using Chip-Chip Ice Axe to fuck your topdeck.

>>96081483
>They still get played on your turn though. There is no instant response on the opponents turn.
And that is a bad thing? It means that if you start first you can just put yourself ahead in tempo and cards with zero cost to yourself and there is fucking nothing you can do about it
>and additionally every single deck has access to those cards
every single deck having to run those cards and getting assraped otherwise is not a good thing

>>96081436
Would that be good?

>>96081504
Sorry but I'm kind of confused. Do you think that posting these cards is some sort of gotcha to me?

To be clear Pokemon has plenty of interaction it's just that all of it happens on the individual player's turn. And I think that's a good game design compared to magic

>>96081419
To be fair pro tour magic is so separated from what i play with friends and at the lgs that I consider it a totally separate game

Gee I sure do love MtG

>>96081506
But that's wrong. Second turn is often more coveted because of how the game works

>>96081517
>people are comparing mtg interaction vs pokemon interaction
oh the horror

>>96081514
>Get fucked in the ass with zero chance to respond
>"Actually it's good because it was his turn so he deserves it."

>>96081515
I'm bringing up the point to illustrate that even at the highest level of playing, magic players are still fighting with their own decks.

This is true of every TCG. However the extent at which your deck can screw you over in magic is much larger than in other tcgs. I've been playing both magic and Pokemon for years, and it's much easier to make a consistent deck in Pokemon because of the nature and the rules of the game. Your deck can still brick in pokémon but it is much less likely to do so.

>>96081545
Yeah you're just straw Manning at this point and it's clear that you either can't read, or are choosing not to read

What are some commanders that will make me feel smarter than I actually am

>>96081514
>Opponent rips literally every single card out of your hand AND ruins your topdeck
>Because you can't take any actions during their turn there is literally no counterplay to it
How is this a good thing?

>>96081582
Give your opponents the intellectually stimulating experience of being unable to respond to you.

>>96081564
What's your "real" argument then? Are you denying the pivotal role that resource denial has taken up in Pokemon TCG, born literally out of the "no interacting on your opponent's turn" system where decks literally autopilot to a win because all your "interaction" is a mix between Fateseal, Mind Twist, and Silence?

I can print anything
I have free will

>>96081722
I actually wish I could have the normal version of this art on a playmat but I don't want to be considered a massive coomer cause of the massive boob window

>>96081734
Why give a fuck what people think? It's not like you're printing off some kind of ai generated bukake bikini goblin, breasts are not that offensive to where a window is this great sin

>>96081734
Imagine having skin this thin, its official art

>>96081734
I have the regular art on a playmat already, the only thing anyone has ever said about it is "is teysa your favourite character?"
It's not exactly coomer art and it's official

This one has been kind of bugging me for a bit and i know it's a dumb question maybe but i gotta know: what's the point of a play mat? If you got your cards sleeved up proper like it's not like they're going to get damaged playing on a table, you know?

>>96081791
Looks nice
Further protects the cards
Most importantly, you know where your play space is so dumb token faggots can't over take your space

>>96081791
>what's the point of a play mat?
Stylish points and being worried about a dirty table. Nothing more

>>96081791
Makes it easier to pick up your cards and they don't slide around the place.

>>96081778
>official art looks like that
I genuinely think I've been psyoped, I've only ever seen the big naturals edit >>96081722

>>96081791
Also feels just nicer to play on. And even if your cards are sleeves, those will get gunk on them eventually too. I can't tell if playmats help mitigate that though.

>>96081791
the playmat having a little bit of give means you can easily get your fingers underneath sleeves/cards as opposed to them being flat on the table and you have to run the risk of bending them in order to pick up one on a crowded boardstate

>>96081722
Not slop, a scholar and a gentleman

>>96081791
Everything has mostly been covered but I wanna also add that you can put your opponents on tilt with risque art on your sleeves and playmat. Think lolis or huge boobs or terese nielsen.

wait you can counter spells by bouncing it to hand?

>>96081917
Well yeah, if they're not on the stack anymore, they won't be resolved. It also technically doesn't count as countered, so it gets around "can't be countered" effects.
You can even exile spells.

What are the best azorius dragon tribal cards? I want to build dragonlord ojutai

>>96081894
Well I do like huge boobs. You've convinced me, I'll get either a boob themed one, a Ryan Gosling themed one or the battle of wits princess bride themed one i happened to see the other day

I did see an incredible playmat for sale the other day but the image limit is reached ahhh

>>96081894
I know a guy who mostly plays on Arena, has been on it since the beta and only spent money on it once, to buy the MLP avatar. He's never seen the show or anything, just thought it was funny when I mentioned it would tilt people.

>>96081990
Where do i get sleeves of big boob anime girls? I want Quintessential Quintuplets sleeves.

>>96081635
I mean you're kind of proving my point for me desu.

The original anon was talking about how his friends didn't like how magic had interactions on opponents turns.
Another anon brought up how without interaction on your opponent's turn the games turn into solitaire without instant speed interaction.

My point was that pokemon has plenty of ways to screw with your opponent, they just all happen on your turn. And while that is not always ideal in terms of play experience or power level, it's much easier game to learn

>>96082032
Order them from Dragonshield, they do custom sleeves and don't give a shit

>>96082050
>>96082050
>>96082050

>>96076845
It's a discover/cascade combo to try and kill you turn 3. If you hold any amount of removal then you're usually fine, but for people who are trying to get all of their wins in/powergamers they're all really fast games. There's a similar one with >>96076871 and the "discard for more or less MV" Arena card which is pretty uncounterable if you're not holding a counterspell of some kind.

>>96074840 (OP)
>this planet/asteroid sized Wurm is a 1/3
is Edge of Eterneties supposed to be a shrinked miniature set?