Kurnothi Edition

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>Thread Question
Aren't you glad we got the cool version of the concept back?

Skaven vs Gargants 2

>>96137699

>>96137653 (OP)
the "mentally ill" one has the bellybutton gem which makes her a real kurnothi, for the truly mentally ill extreme you have to put that human general from the ghyranite crusade

imagine being a human and worshipping an a*lfen god

>>96137711

>>96137726

>>96137653 (OP)
I like the cursed city kurnothi even though yeah it's literally just a wood elf. As for the underworlds warbands I thought in the first one everyone looked like shit but the centaur, so I'm very happy with the new one doubling down on that. The one in the pic especially is an amazing sculpt. Very stark contrast with the khorne warband from a week or two ago.

>>96137741

>>96137765

>>96137653 (OP)
From left to right
>actually pretty good
>one of the biggest dogshit from AoS
>amazing model

>>96137775

>>96137793
Why are you still spamming this?

>>96137793

>>96137718
What's with the bellybutton anyway?

Chorf terrain looking good

>>96137804
Very well, that's all for today. We'll see you next time, or maybe not.

>>96137653 (OP)
First came the elf, then came the faun, and finally came the centaur. Evolution in all its glory, friends.

>>96137865
Faun and centaur evolved at the same time and then centaur outcompeated the faun

>>96137819
You're talking about the new chorfs who worship a demonic bull god, right?

>>96137809
Soulpod. It's something they share with the main Sylvaneth range, all the tree-revenants have them too.

>>96137888
Survival of the fittest.
Evolution, my friends, evolution.

I know a lot got drowned out by chorfs, but there's some fun bits of worldbuilding coming out of the KO tome
Seems like the skyport barak-urbaz (one of the 6 main subfactions of ko) got blasted out of the sky by skaven (?) and they're now basically nomadic in their skyvessels, maybe planning to rebuild.

>>96137888
Fauns were still mentioned a lot as recently as Dawnbringers so I expect we'll see them again, just with a redesign.

>>96137653 (OP)
That hippie faun with the 90s hairstyle was a Kurnothi, I don't envy the poor fools who bought it.

>>96137718
>imagine being a human and worshipping an a*lfen god
don't have to imagine it, I live it

>>96137931
>hundreds of duardin are thought to have perished
They meant thousands, right? Sky Ports are supposed to be the size of cities

>>96137653 (OP)
>despite the faun's historical association with rape, this more recent depiction alludes to the author's homosexuality

>>96137931
So the ratmen screwed the dwarves once again. What a surprise!

>>96137980
Just because the city crashed doesn't mean it's entire population got wiped out. It says the main fleet was elsewhere at the time, the rest is probably down to evacuations and a controlled landing of the skyport.

>>96137819
I am hoping for a demons blender actually
But a train would be good too

>>96138002
how they evacuating everyone when the main fleet was elsewhere at the time?

>>96137980
hundreds could be 2 hundreds, or 8 hundreds or 200 hundreds

whenever you see gw mentioning numbers treat those as placeholders for "lots" or "few"

>>96138021
With the non-main fleet, dumbo.

>>96137980
The fact that they are as big as a city does not mean that they have a similar population. They are dwarfs and therefore their population should be around a few thousand individuals. The hundreds that are said to have died must have been a high percentage of their population, perhaps 10 to 30 percent.

>>96137968
not for long, soon-to-be-renamed unliving city!

>>96138056
>The fact that they are as big as a city does not mean that they have a similar population. They are dwarfs and therefore their population should be around a few thousand individuals.
That doesn't make any sense, why would they make their Sky-Port so fucking huge for only a few thousand individuals? That's a massive waste of resources and makes just getting around the city enormously difficult for no gain

Does Kharadron society place enormous importance on getting your steps in?

Do skryre-heavy lists pretty much always overload their weapon teams and war machines ASAP? I was looking at the warscrolls and some of them look really volatile to the point where I can't think of when you'd want to overload them more than once. But i'm a noob so wtf do I know?

Also are clanrats and rat ogors the designated meatshield/screens if i want to blast the board with ratling blasters and lightning bolts?

>>96137653 (OP)
>Aren't you glad we got the cool version of the concept back?
No. I don't want any of that furry shit in Sylvaneth.

>>96137980
Hundreds is when the number doubles 100 but does not exceed 1000 and if its population were around 5000 to 10000 individuals, the losses should be either very high or very low, it will not be known until we know the population of the city.

>overlords : kharadrons
>helsmiths : zharrdrons
>fyreslayers : ??????????

also, if hashut has now been rewritten to have been part of the dwarfs pantheon in the age of myth, and if chuardins are now being rewritten as considering themselves 'TRVE order', with deals with chaos being purely transactional and otherwise their relation with chaos being the same as their relation with fuels, does that mean that there's a plot hook for a reunification of the dwarfen people that includes them, like the end times had one for the reunification of the elven people including dark elves?

>>96138120
>but does not exceed 1000
That's not a rule.

>>96138080
They are dwarfs, they like to exaggerate with the size of things, you know, to compensate for their small size, and I'm talking about their height, not the size of their hammer, although it could also be due to both things.

>>96137931
Wow, is this the 1st thing Skaven have actually done this edition?

>>96138166
I've done a lot in fact but that doesn't matter because when this edition is over everything will go back to how it was before just like with the rest of the past editions.

>>96138103
Rat Ogres aren't tough, they're more of a berzerker unit. WLC and Warpblaster are designed the oc every turn pretty much.

>>96138130
>khara- -drons / sylva- -neth
>zharr- -drons / umbra- -neth
>vulka- -drons / ido- -neth
>rhun- -drons / lumi- -neth

>>96138192
I don't think aqshy will go back to being what it was before.

anyone know where i can find the leaked khorne battletome

>>96138130
That new chaos dwarf lore is so fucking toothless and gay holy shit. I want slaves and oppression.

>GSG x3
Warclans are suffering.

I like the little vignette story there. Also it's dumb as fuck that the new BoK warband isn't daemons.

>>96138257
get a job at amazon then.

>>96137653 (OP)
Why the FUCK do the showcase chaos dwaves have glowing GREEN instead of Glowing RED.

You can do that if you get them of course, but god why is the display versions fucking GREEN? these arent skaven or some undead ghouls, they are dwarves of fire and furnaces, black iron stern brass and raging red fire should be thier thing. even via pure color theory, their color scheme would pop more with RED.

>>96138320
Fyreslayers already trademarked red fire, and you don't want to meet their Runesmiths in court, believe me.

>>96138320
what if I go to the hobby store and pick up fyreslayers instead as mistake

>>96138257
As far as I'm understanding they do slavery and tyranny still, also blood sacrifices of captive enemy dwarfs, they just think they're completely in the right to do that and that what they're doing is harsh but ultimately good, not just in an egoistical way, but at large.

The question is whether they are open to diplomacy and trade with order factions like cities and khainites, and viceversa, otherwise it's all once again insular and moot and they might as well have kept them as unapologetically cartoonishly evil.

>>96138340
It also sounds like they have origins in Ghur, which is interesting. Basically Hashtut was given Ghur as his realm and he hates it, so he mostly focuses on taming the realm by burning down/trampling everything.

>>96138320
I think yellow fire might look nice.

>>96138166
>>96138192
They might also be fucking up tempests' eye according to our friends over at tga.

>>96138213
> chamon dwarfs / ghyran elfs
> ghur dwarfs / ulgu elfs
> aqshy dwarfs / shyish (??) elfs
> azyr (??) dwarfs / hysh elfs
I mean, idoneth are sort of tied to death okay not really . Lightning-powered azyrite gholem dwarfs incoming!

>>96138272
man, a year and a half ago I would've bought ths just for the zarbags gitz. don't paint much gitz these days tho


>>96138320
for me it's the retarded sculpted smoke, patrick star proportions, and the muted colors

>>96138339
aw, the gw logic reveals itself
>>96138334
At least go electric blue for uber hot fire instead of throw in the towel generic "magic fire" green.

>>96138320
Because red is fyreslayers, because they're writing hashut as brother of skavor, and because they wanted to portray that it's unnatural demonic fire instead of normal fire.

On one hand, it immediately teaches even the most absurdly mindless people that they don't have to paint them with red flames, which is what literally everyone would have done and never once questioned if they showed them in normal red.
On the other hand, this scheme looks like shit and they could have showcased this variety of demonic fires with alternative paint schemes in the tome.

>>96138320
Should have been magenta/purple to convey warp energy without it being warpstone

>>96138360
Patrick star paintjob would be dope howeverbeit.
>>96138352
oh, true

Friendly reminder Kurnothi should be an army outside of tree faggots.

>>96138347
>origins in Ghur, which is interesting.
Yeah, that bit was surprisingly fitting, many would have gone with the most obvious aqshy or chamon, but ghur does align with the bull mutations and also with the concept of dominance via force that they and their god have.

>>96138389
Why? They've literally always been part of them

>>96138272
Last Destruction 4 pack was 50% Warclans

>>96138376
They had purple already on the clothes instructing the reading of the scheme into a black and dark one.
It would have been just as weird if not worse with purple flames and green clothes.

>>96138370
my chorfs will be grey plastic, just like god intended.

>>96138391
Yeah Ghur also plays well with their traditional conflict with/enslavement of greenskins.

What the fuck is wrong with Chaos Dwarfs? I can't understand all this cries and shit...

>>96138192
Neh, the KO subfaction is perma nomad now

>>96138389
Why would you remind me of an objectively incorrect opinion?
tyrion and teclis go together
morathi and malerion go together
alarielle and kurnoth go together
the trees already have the kurnoth hunters and the spear of kurnoth character, kurnothi can only possibly exist as part of sylvaneth

>>96138389
>A good amount of the factions still have barely enough warscroll to work with
>"hey let's make even more factions with fuckall choice!"
I'd go the opposite direction, just fuse some factions with each other and use the subfactions/battletraits or regiments/armies of renowns to customize your dudes

>>96138418
>morathi and malerion go together
>alarielle and kurnoth go together
Shit opinions only retards have: The post.
Imagine trying to merge Morathi Mamma with the Emo Kid still hidding. Disgusting.

>>96138410
they don't look like my indistinct fw blobs, also women exist, and I throw a tantrum whenever a company makes toys that don't fit my exact personal preferences.

>>96138354
The realms alignments are kinda forced with azyr and shyish, but the depths are tied with undeath and the runesmiths are associated with lightnings and ghal maraz itself, so we can make that work.

>>96138389
I don't see that happening, we've got a fuckton of armies already. If they put gitmob in gloomspite they're putting kurnothi in sylvaneth.
That being said the army being alarielle's tree-elf hybrids and kurnoth's animal-elf hybrids is theoretically pretty cool from a theme standpoint. ignore the names of the kurnoth hunters for a second
>>96138391
I like it, makes hashut's spergout funnier and somewhat understandable. That being said it's harsh that chamon gets denied another chance to shine in favour of ghur. The capitoline triad of aqshy/ghyran/ghur continues its reign of dominance.

>>96138370
>>96138320
The colors are just so fucking bland and colorless. So desaturated and square for an army that's all about sacrifice and domination and oppression. Their theme is fire and forges and promises of power. Why did they go with this faded antique store look?

It just triggers me cause chorfs would've been my favorite army if done right. too bad we got this disgusting abortion and we are NOT getting anything besdies a pity hero for the next 2 editions. Looking to be the new 2% popularity rate army alongside IDK and Slaanesh

>>96138410
Something about angles being bad and green not looking industrial.

>>96138429
>trying to merge
they were never separated, anon, morathi and malekith have always been part of the same books and will always be part of the same books when malerion gets a model.

>>96138434
but gitmob was a mistake...

>>96138410
Kneejerk reaction to something being new and different, mostly. It's already becoming more muted.

Reminds me of the LRL "Cow" reveal which sparked months of shitposting but ultimately no one actually cared that much and they went on to be a popular army. Or basically every new army reveal that wasn't basically identical to what we've seen in the past.

>>96138410
models they were never going to buy look like the wrong video game or something.

>>96138442
Maybe in the Old Shit no one cares about here in AoS we have this Daughters of Khaine army that cares not for that shut down sissy, Morathi is enough to control her own territory

>bought hobgrots and horns of hashut out of hype for chuardin
>don't like the helsmiths style at all

Just getting into AoS because I fucking LOVE hobgrot slittaz. I don't know the rules at all. Can I build an entire army of only hobgrots using Slittaz and the Slittaboss?

>>96138436
the red hot metal could be an ideal way to make the blades and the terribly ugly helmet"guard" they all have painted in blinding gold for some reason.

>>96138467
No.

>>96138410
Because Grogs hate women, blacks and good models just remember how they reacted to Cathay release... They can't recognise quality after so many years of potato

>>96138467
You'd be in for a world of pain, KB players don't even want to field slittas as chaff, their rules are so bad.

>>96138480
Wtf why? Is he a hero type or something? I'd be willing to compromise and use boss Scumdrek as a leader if I have to.

>>96138410
>>96138430
a. women look like orcs, not dwarves they should have big brunhilda double ponytails or someshit
b. sculps are muddled and dont have a clear design language like the old ones which had assyrian look
c. Colors are mutted and kinda drab, more contrast sould have been used. like black, bronze, and red instead of pale purple, desaturated bronze, and green.

chorf women are locked up and bred 24/7 lorewise

>>96138460
>Morathi is enough to control her own territory
morathi's territory was literally handed down to her by malerion out of one of the 13 kingdoms of ulgu that he owns.
if morathi gets to have people in 'her' kingdom it's because malerion wants it since he closes an eye on her stealing souls from slaanesh despite not having a right to it.
and even without malerion "morathi's" book is already getting bogged down by other anti-morathi personalities.
the book will stop being called daughters of khaine in due time.

>>96138496
Yes, by orcs! that's why all chuardins have tusks now.

>>96138410
I just don't think that they look cool. They don't have anything that I wanted to see out of them. I'm not a deranged chud or a TWW player; I just don't see any appeal here.

>>96138410
The paint scheme isn't super interesting, imo, and beardless dwarves just feels off to me. But both of those are non-issues if there are just other head options

is there a list of all of the new khorne blood tithe abilities somewhere

>>96138516
black orcs nonetheless made by chorfs
and they all worship holy bull god? you see where this is going?

>>96138520
As someone who is at best, very neutral on Chorfs. (hated the forgeworld version, kinda liked the old school style but obviously the models are way outdated) I was not impressed with them at first look but they're kinda growing on me with a few days to mull it over.

I do think the colorscheme they chose was not the best, and I have some other small criticisms. (modern tires on the artillery looks awful, especially when they're leaning towards a more classical look otherwise, Bull statue is too fat, giant flying bull statue is a little lacking in detail/contrast, etc)

The female heads I don't care about, there's clearly enough heads to make them all male if you want to and I don't necessarily want to.

The lore stuff I actually kinda like, surprisingly. Overall I'm feeling more positive about them then I thought I would be.

>>96138506
>the book will stop being called daughters of khaine in due time.
In your dreams maybe lol Malerion is a lie for old fags to dream about the truth is he did nothing, he is doing nothing and he will do nothing. Morathi is the main Dark Elf character

>>96138410
They just messed up the new design, not much more to it.

>>96138579
Did they, though? Most of the complaining seems to be from people who were hardcore into previous versions of Chorfs, which is a market of like 10 people so they don't matter anyway.

>>96138591
>Most of the complaining seems to be
No, that's a deflection. People don't like how they look, fucking accept it already.

>>96138579
>Messed up the new design
Improve you mean?

>>96138436
here vermin they look like your video game now.

>>96138603
>People don't like how they look
I doubt you can call grogs and trolls "people", anon, outside of here people actually are invested in chorfs.

>>96138606
>Improve you mean?
Sure, if the target audience is homosexual

>>96138603
Now you're just being retarded. Some people like them, some people don't. You can see that everywhere online The ones who are most vocally disappointed are the legion of azgorth superfans who as I already said are irrelevant in terms of numbers.

>>96138619
Man do you guys have to dismiss everyone who doesn't like them like this
I just don't like them and I'm being civil about it but it's pissing me off to see all of these posts acting like every single person who doesn't like the release is a troll

>>96138410
>What the fuck is wrong with Chaos Dwarfs?
The artillery pieces look puny, the watermelon orbs are an obstrusive gimmick, the hats are not big enough, have those ugly gilded pieces and hard angles that break the normal cylindrical silhouettes making them look closer to nagash's hats or dark elf headgears, the blunderbusses don't look like blunderbusses, or even guns at all; the forced addition of women means a reduced focus on beards which on the troops are way shorter and not in focus as they would otherwise be for a good reason, and that's if they're present; and the hobgrots are a waste of a kit because they already had a kit of hobgrots they could have used since nobody who wants to play orcs cares about hobgrots.
Overall there's a lack of textures and curves that make the models look low in detail and artificial in a bad way, even when that is done with the most explicit intentions as with the great taurus, a normal painter won't be able to make the flat panels look good and without rivets or cracks or something more they won't look like dwarfs with a stylised aesthetic, they'll look like stylised low polygon dwarfs.
It's like they're a model wave from over 10 years ago in terms of the quality of the designs.

And lastly they're not chaos dwarfs, nothing about them screams chaos, they're no longer the chaos version of dwarfs, they're a dark version like dark elves who haven't been chaos elves in a looong time, which is not inherently bad, but it's not what people wanted.

I’m just curious if the new chorfs are compatible with fyreslayer kits

>>96138655
they aren't

>>96138571
I'm kind of the opposite, was neutral to positive when they were first shown but as I've mulled it over I realize more and more this isn't really what I wanted (which yes was basically just old school chorfs done in modern quality, fuck forgeworld legion of azbore).

>>96138591
I do kind of wonder what the reception would have been if chaos dwarfs were never a thing in old fantasy to begin with. I think if they were their own new thing without the expectations of like 3 different iterations of the same idea, all with their own take AND a generally well received vidya approach on them, people would have appreciated them more. Now a lot of people had their own ideas of what chorfs SHOULD look like (including me), and that's hard to match.

>>96138635
look at this sperg >>96138651
theres your answer.

>collecting skaven and not chaos dwarfs
sometimes you just get lucky in life

>>96138591
>Most of the complaining seems to be from people who were hardcore into previous versions of Chorfs
JEEZ I FUCKING WONDER WHY THEY'RE BRINGING BACK CHORFS IF NOT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIKED CHORFS

>>96138667
I don't see how this is a valid response. I didn't post that.

>>96138635
Here >>96138651 is an example of those you call "people" try read this without laughing and rolling your eyes.

>>96138635
You have to realize we literally have trolls here, though. Obviously not everyone is going to like every release, but people are currently pushing back against the idea (from trolls, mostly) that EVERYONE hates them which is obviously untrue. I would say the majority of reactions I've seen here and in other places are positive, actually.

>>96138667
That's not an answer, you're dismissing that post as a sperg for no reason just because it's not hailing the new models as perfect and flawless.

>>96138684
Okay? So just mock people like that when they post. You don't have to generalize every single person who doesn't like a thing and diabolize them. That just generates resentment.

>>96138678
You are wrong, they are not bringing back chorfs for those people, they are releasing a sanitized version of chorfs for their increasingly effeminate target audience.

>>96138696
its like claiming you just went to epstein parties for the music and food, no one is going to believe you.

>>96138678
>JEEZ I FUCKING WONDER WHY THEY'RE BRINGING BACK CHORFS IF NOT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIKED CHORFS
Again the market of people who liked Chorfs is smaller than the market of people who like getting shot in the balls, it's economically irrelevant.

This is a release for people who could maybe see themselves liking or buying Chaos Dwarfs if they weren't as terrible and unappealing as prior releases were because that is literally 99% of the potential market.

>>96138701
1. That's an insane analogy.
2. You're saying that it's impossible to believe that any person could dislike the models for a legitimate reason? Are you mad?

>>96138703
>Again the market of people who liked Chorfs is small
Your argument is completely irrational, if nobody liked or wanted chorfs they wouldn't have made a new army of chorfs in the first place.

>>96138684
>mocks people for articulatinge an actual argument
>is a shameless claqeur himself
>dehumanizes the former
And you wonder why society rejects your kind

>>96138684
Can you make a coherent argument besides
>this guy is no longer a human being because he has reasons to dislike my sacred cows

I’m guessing wfg is slow for them atm

>>96138703
Without speaking in nebulous and broad terms like "terrible" and "unappealing", can you articulate what you think the Helsmiths release did to improve upon the Chaos Dwarfs concept?

>couldn't express any positive opinions without being drowned in trolls yesterday
>can't express any critiques without being drowned in trolls today
lovely thread

>>96138713
It's the same logic as bring Squats back a few years ago. The number of people who actually and unironically liked Squats can be counted on one hand, but the nostalgia and hipster posing around the army means the potential to sell to a larger audience exists, while also giving GW free reign to change the army to their liking because again, 4 guys being super into the old version doesn't mater.

>>96137653 (OP)
Soon

The 10th anniversary went well.

I have small maggotkin army and was looking for something different, with bit different style and identity, not so defensive. Any suggestion what is good aggro army? Was thinking about Daughters of Khaine, but I am not sure I exactly want to go full glass cannon. Nighthaunt look sick too, and the army doesn't seem too expensive to build. And I consider SoD too, the cavalry looks nice and simple.
Any suggestion of those of you that play NH, SoD or DoK? What do you hate about your army and waht would recommend to get?

I think when I get my Chorfnought I'm going to paint all the flames in different colours. Red, blue, green, purple and such.
I really like this idea because it kind of represents the idea of all the various deamons that are chained up within it. Each colour representing a certain "essence" so to speak.

>>96138735
I've posted multiple critiques in this thread though? As long as you can do it without sounding deranged, people will generally not dogpile you for it.

who cares, chorfs are just gonna be another NPC army with no lore/range like Votann


how about we post our miniatures instead?

>>96138742
But what about the destinyshit votransfags?

>>96138757
I just got compared to celebrity pedophiles for not liking the range.

>>96138742
You mean the notoriously unpopular new squats compared to the notoriously more appreciated necromunda dwarfs? Can you consider that it IS possible to update an old concept without making it bad?

>>96138410
I still think somebody is going to do some kind of hat/head swap and opinion will shift to new chorfs in fact kinda neat

If "helsmiths" was "hellsmiths" instead I would consider buying the $250 army box with 13 miniatures

>>96138779
"Hel" predates "Hell", linguistic dilettante.

>>96138753
you mean different flames in different colors or all flames as multicoloured flames? because the former is going to look bad unlike the latter.

>>96138779
why do you want to have that extra L?

>>96138790
All flames being multicoloured. It'll be a right bitch to do honestly.
If it's too hard I'll just do each flame a different colour. Red belly, green arm, blue arm, pink head etc

>complaining over hel versus hell
Woo boy.

>>96138753
If it were up to me there would be different bonuses you could assign to these guys based on what type of daemon they're burning up a la marks of chaos

>>96138808
That'd be sweeeeet

>>96138772
no you were described an analogy about association drama queen retard, not my fault you can't understand abstracts.

>>96138817
And you refused to concede that there could be any legitimate dislike of the range, which is insane.

>>96138775
>notoriously unpopular
Works Cited: 0

>>96138796
anon so used to taking them, he can't live without one more

>>96138832
There are way more stats about tournaments participation and online communities engagement regarding votann than data about the fans of squats and old chaos dwarfs. You shameless hypocrite.

>>96138720
They're posting models actually

>>96138870
Oh so it’s dead, dead.

>>96138703
Yeah I'm sure that grand total of 10 people that were into chorfs enough to buy their minis 30 years ago are a significant market. Actually, it's even less than that because probably a good half of them isn't participating in the hobby anymore

>>96138516
That always had tusks anon.

>>96137931
Can you share the pdf? all I have is the rules section

>>96138722
>>96138757
nta but here's what I like and dislike. Full disclosure I was most interested in a reboot of the 4th edition oldchorfs :

-dislike
>would've preferred axes over sword/spear
>guns look like shit, prefer the blunderbuss
>stupid fucking green balls
>speaking of, retarded colour scheme. Can be fixed
>appreciate them trying something new but the statue taurus looks off
>same for the artillery. Mortar looks decent tho
>hats should've been fully round
>not a fan of the beardless heads but they look to be optional

-like
>general body plan looks good
>armour looks good, especially when painted in the classic style. Like the shawls
>characters generally look good. Again, their hats could've been better
>the gem beard on that one guy
>cuneiform motif
>bull centaurs are great
>overall happy with the build variety in the kits themselves, nice to see so many dual-build options

Overall it's not the worst thing ever but I'm kind of let down. Then again I was never super into chorfs so maybe i'm just not the target audience here. Might pick up the bull centaurs for a painting project, or ideally to be used as a RoR. If they ever put out a really good deal on them I might try and convert the basic infantry and guns to something more to my liking.
thank you for reading my blog post.
>>96138808
would be gigabased and fun

>>96138760
love blue squigs
hate faggots fighting over models they wont buy, were never going to buy, and will never play against
simple 'as

>>96138856
>tournament participation
https://www.stat-check.com/the-meta
>Votann currently have more games played than SoB, Grey Knights, Dark Eldar, Ad Mech, Black Templar, Space Wolves, Genestealers, or Deathwatch

>>96138915
holy shit, dude got BTFO

>>96138753
I don’t think you can salvage this, the center piece bull mount or the artillery duo. The rest can maybe be fixed with the right scheme. But these three are truly awful.

>>96138591
I got into them during the Forge World mask era, but I still fell in love with the hats watching people hobbying online.
Seems like an unpopular opinion, but the AoS rendition might be my favorite one so far. I love Sam Wise (wc3 art-style guy)'s art, so these burning Legion art deco Dwarfs fucking slap in my opinion.
The bull-naught, blunderbusses and inorganic Taurus are dragging down the range a bit for me, but the rest I love.

>>96138320
well if it's demons (warpstuff) crushed up and compressed, that's basically reconstituted or artificially created warpstone (like a lab diamond) so it only stands to reason it'd be green.

>>96138760
sure, here's a lizard

>>96138926
I think that the forge world rendition is tied with the AoS rendition except for the artillery which forge world did much better on. The original chorf aesthetic is GOATed and it’s a shame they didn’t just take the aesthetic used for the total war games which was basically just the original aesthetic but done a little more seriously.
Not a fan. I don’t understand why GW feels the need to innovate on faction. LRL and now Chorfs look much worse than their original aesthetics. Why? Because this game isn’t fantasy? It’s a sequel to fantasy, what’s wrong with having the same aesthetic in a sequel.

>>96138250
here you go, its just the rules

files<dot>catbox<dot>moe slash p1kjm5<dot>pdf

>>96138947
> a shame they didn’t just take the aesthetic used for the total war games which was basically just the original aesthetic
>this game isn’t fantasy? It’s a sequel to fantasy
You're so close anon, i believe in your neurons, they can do it

>>96138925
I FUCKING love the Taurus mounted heros what are you on about?!

>>96138947
>LRL and now Chorfs look much worse than their original aesthetics.
Hard disagree, especially on lrl.

I plan to paint my Taurus up like it's made of stone, like some sorta living statue. It'll be stone everything, except for blazing red eyes, the glowing gem (bright green maybe?) and brass horns.
It'll be sick.

>>96138982
Yeah I kinda have the same plan. Maybe obsidian is a better fit tho.

>>96138915
>more games played
you use player population, not the number of games, retard, and saying that a brand main army is more popular than literal supplements and microfactions is laughably bad

>>96138965
>>96138982
Because whoever thought that art deco was the way to take Chorfs in AoS needs to be fired.

>>96138961
Do you understand what a sequel is? In what world do you live in that sequels have to reimagine everything from the first part instead of just continuing the story of the first part?

>>96138982

World of Warcraft looking ass

>>96138928
warpstone is only green in its unrefined and dirty form, when it's refined it's pure black, as you can see on nagash and arkhan

today, horse

>>96138947
I can't compare this to LRL at all, with some exceptions that whole range is a serious downgrade where they went in a completely different direction I don't think any HE fan appreciated.
But again, I am a fan of the "Warcraft" look so I am viewing the new aesthetic very favourably.
If the angular look versus the more rounded one is a turnoff then I get that it's unsalvageable for you. But I can't help but think you'd like the look of them if they were bold red, black and yellow. Because they're closer to the OG look than the Azgorh look.
I mean we can agree to disagree. I'm really happy with them.

>>96138988
I love the idea of doing it in stone because to me it implies that someone can enter the personal chambers of a specific lord and pass by a giant Taurus statue, thinking nothing of it. Then they anger the big boy up top and the statue bursts into life and gores them.
Plus mages bringing statues to life is always cool.

>>96138430
Fw were one fucking unit that was to be used alongside normal Chorfs. FW was Infernal Guard you dumb fucking idiot. Infernal Guard look great alongside regular Chorfs. The ideal design of HoH would have been a mix of FW models and original Chorf aesthetic, and CA unironically nailed it with their TWW3 DLC. Unfortunately GW handed the design work to an intern who plays Dark Elves or Nagash armies or something because the new Chorfs are missing alot of the design factors of the FW and orginal.

>>96138992
What the fuck do you care, you never owned any chorfs and would not buy them now no matter how they looked. Just fuck off already

>>96138925
I disagree, I think the robot bull is by far the best part of this release, what I question is whether it can be fielded with one mace and one cannon rather than having to go all in on one or the other.

>>96139015
I don't care if it's "legal" in the rules, I'm 100% building my Chorfnought with a mace arm and cannon arm. It'll look so much cooler and make more sense.

>>96139002
Are you 3d printing a baby headed ride so it’s scale appropriate for that horse?

>>96138982
Obsidian, Marble or maybe solid Gold?
Which paint scheme could improve the bull?

>>96138982
I'm gonna try to make mine obsidian.
I'm kinda scared it'll look like shit if the whole thing is glossy, so I gotta break it up.
>>96138992
>Because whoever thought that art deco was the way to take Chorfs in AoS needs to be fired
NTA, I utterly disagree.
Art deco is a cornerstone of good dwarf aesthetics, but it always needs something else with it.

>>96138999
I thought in AOS their stones were supposed to be compressed grave-sand?

I genuinely think there a large proportion of people in every major fanbase that would accept and pretend to love shit on a plate if it was marketed as the next new release for their game.
I genuinely have a hard time believing there’s people who find the Helsmiths as a good looking range. I guess only time and sales will tell.

>>96138901
Thank you for the reply. I agree with most of your criticisms, and the praise of the dual-build kits and bull centaurs. What breaks them for me, however, is that I'm not very fond of the hexagonal motifs and the relative lack of "diabolic industry" aesthetics. I would have preferred if they adhered more closely to the stylings of the Horns of Hashut warband, which I really liked.

>WoW! WoW!
>FW shit no one ever bought
>Bland! Bland!
Is all so tiresome...

>>96139009
>of the design factors of the FW and orginal.
NTA, can you name some?
Rounded vs angular, axes vs spears is the two points I've seen being brought up.
I like them, but I'm wondering where the turnoff is for others.

>>96139033
I don’t want to sound like I’m only spouting buzzwords. But this range is the most CAD feeling range in GW history. CAD doesn’t have to feel this way going off most GW releases. But it looks and feels aesthetically like it was designed for a video game vs being a part of a living world.

>>96139033
Their artillery and guns need to be more industrial as well like the originals. What they have now look like toys. Also the lack of any kind of chaos stars and skulls is disappointing, they really look like the dwarf version of dark elves as it is currently. They are still CHAOS so to see no chaos insignia at all anywhere sucks. They went hard into the bull motif which is fine, but the original had bull, skulls, and chaos. This one just has bull and only bull.

>>96139028
There are schizophrenic defenders who think everything new is good and shat on only due to some conspiracy like there are schizophrenic detractors who think everything new is bad and ruined by some conspiracy.

I don't find it unlikely that someone might like these new models, even if I really really don't like them.

>>96139020
oh, horse retard. I missed you. Compared to DEIanon and Anglo Race Fetishismanon, you are a treasured and valuable contributor to this community.

>>96139050
Those are all the same person

>>96139028
I love them.
My GW purchases in all of AoS is 1.5k-ish points of KO, the original Warcry box, Cursed City, and the Bone-zone SBGL box + the now old but still kinda new mounted wight king.
I thought LRL were mostly shit, I thought CoS was disappointing. IDK, I don't feel that susceptible to GW's marketing anon.

>>96139009
>Fw were one fucking unit that was to be used alongside normal Chorfs
Nta but I have never seen even one (1) picture of somebody playing a game with both forgeworld and 4th edition oldchorfs. Maybe they exist but that clearly wasnt the way the vast majority of people were actually using them
>>96139028
I agree with your first point but why is it so surprising to you that people might enjoy something you personally don't ? I don't like this rendition much either but I also think 95% of 40k looks like dogshit yet here we are.

>>96139023
They are now. But when they were first released in Fantasy, those gems were intended to be refined warpstone.

>>96139060
That's fair, I'm just stating that the design of FW chorfs was to compliment original Chorfs, as we can see that with their elites being proper big hats

>>96139023
No idea, but when the models were made the point was that those gems were made of refined warpstone and warpstone has been described as black for a long time before that too.

Is there a guide to paint stone skin?

>>96139040
That's an opinion that can be hard to articulate, but I kinda get what you're on about.
>>96139045
>They are still CHAOS so to see no chaos insignia at all
This one I get.
Seems like this is the biggest fundamental change with them, since their deal is that they survived the age of chaos by turning the invading demons into an industry. So they view themselves at opponents to chaos, and orderly. Rather than being Chaos's weapon merchants.
It's a big narrative change for them.
As for the guns, they are more ornate and less industrious for sure. But they still look industrious to me.

>>96139081
it's no different than the guides for painting stone

>>96138760
Not sure when I’m actually going to get to real work on it, but I at least saved myself several nights of trying to achieve the same effect with a normal brush by having a long session of airbrushing basecoats yesterday.

>>96139020
long time no see anon
>>96139029
mhyea seems like a fair opinion to have. in hindsight it's funny that people were so worried they were going to look too much like the horns of hashut, only for them to be more closely aligned to the old aesthetic yet still in a very new direction
>>96139045
>CHAOS so to see no chaos insignia at all anywhere sucks
did chorfs ever have any non-hashut chaos iconography ? I guess the pointed arrow motif you can find on the 4th edition ones kIind of harkens back to the star of chaos design. I don't think the industrial forgeworld rendition you were talking about has any of that. Could be wrong though.

>>96139107
>did chorfs ever have any non-hashut chaos iconography ?
The FW war machines were festooned with chaos stars and arrows

>>96138947
> LRL and now Chorfs look much worse than their original aesthetics
LRL mog high elves. We were only lacking proper heavy armored elves back in the launch.

Do people really not like the LRL? They retained the feeling of their originals pretty well in terms of the armour designs, they went from being pseudo Hellenic to more fantastical pseudo Hellenes. These Chorfs just seem like a big departure from both the older aesthetics.

>>96138982
I can’t tell if this bull is a real model or a mount from WoW with a chorf photoshopped over it.

>>96139121
shoot you're right, I was only thinking about the infantry.
>>96139128
it's mostly the guys with the cow helmets that were mocked, but by all account they're a decently popular faction.

>>96139128
>Do people really not like the LRL?
not as high elves replacement, no, as their own thing they have their own fans, many got into them first and foremost because of their op rules at the start
>They retained the feeling of their originals pretty well
absolutely not, they do their own thing and that's fine, but they're different enough that you can convert a cathay model into a high elf model, but can't do the same with a lumineth model

>>96139153
>you can convert a cathay model into a high elf model, but you can't do the same with a lumineth model
Yeah, could you imagine ?

>>96139128
I love em. Started out ambivalent on them, lamenting that each sculpt had something that ruined them. But they grew on me. Now the only thing I hate about them is their assembly design that makes sub assemblies a damn pain.

>>96139128
LRL is fairly popular into real AoS players (something very scarce around here) the idea of have a new version of High Elves is cool and they have impressive models like the Sphinx

>>96138651
>>96138571
In a couple of months we will know how popular they'll be, they're getting an army launch box and it selling out or not will be an indicator of how much of a hit they were. I think GW managed to please people who weren't planning to buy Chuardin anyway, and alienated people who were.
They're not for me, though I might have a second look with head and weapon swaps as I think the bodies and armour look good. At least I'll always have my warcry Horns of Hashut, they're closer to what I hoped they'd be going for.

>>96139128
It’s pretty common for people to find the cow helmets associated with alarith silly. I personally find it exotic and a good way to stylize a subgroup, but w/e.

>>96138410
>old good
>new bad

>>96139176
I'm holding out hope that a potential future second wave will go more into the Hashutaar aesthetic.

>>96139128
With LRL I love the Vanari Dawnriders(+ the mounted Lord), and then I think everything else is a huge downgrade aesthetics wise.
Especially the swordmasters.

>>96139063
>>96139079
ok, but if in AOS they're not warpstone, and warpstone glows/burns green in AOS, then how does that controvert my point about the reason for the new (AOS) chorfs' flames being green?

>>96139172
Anon, just because someone tried to do it it doesn't mean it works, it doesn't, it's not a fitting conversion.

>>96138775
>notoriously unpopular new squats compared to the notoriously more appreciated necromunda dwarfs
/40kg/ here, I do not understand what you are saying but I assume you believe Necromunda is more popular than it really is. In practice, they sell as much as other Xenos, which means far less shoved down your throat as Marines. People pretend Eldar is unpopular because they hate Eldar. Dark Eldar actually IS unpopular. They're the least selling major army and their annual sales have already been surpassed but much newer armies like Votann and World Eaters. But a lot of that has to do with how impossible it has always been to actually collect that faction.

>>96139203
It doesn't.

>>96139176
>how popular they'll be
popular compared to what? to the nonexistent brand new plastic army of chaos dwarfs that retained their iconic aesthetic elements?

>>96139203
>in AOS
the fluff for warpstone hasn't changed, what was said for the old world matters for aos and what gets said in aos retroactively matters for the old world.

>>96139196
are the horns warband meant to count as hobgrots now?

>>96139176
>it selling out or not will be an indicator of how much of a hit they were
No. It selling out or not will be an indicator how well the GW planned the release. If it sells out then in means GW ordered too little kits to be produced.

>>96138989
>you use player population, not the number of games, retard,
Literally still more Votann players than any of the others I've mentioned. moron

>Microfactions
>Space Wolves, Genestealers, Sisters of Battle, Admech, etc etc
Just give it up, the numbers on not on your side. You assumed Votann were hated because people dunk on them HERE when that's literally meaningless.

>>96139246
They're meant to be James Workshop spitting in your face for daring to plan ahead and be excited for things

>>96139128
Objectively, LRL are one of the more popular AoS armies. Especially for one that's an original army and not a continuation like STD, Gravelords, or Seraphon.

>>96139253
Yes anon, genestealers are a microfaction and space wolves are a supplement, shit like that is always at the bottom of the popularity.

>>96139208
Anon do you actually really believe cathay would work better than danwriders or the spear guys for high elves ? I don't even like lumineth but you gotta be fucking with me

>>96139176
Selling out means nothing, anon. The last time a big box sold out for AoS was Cursed City and it gave GW nothing but regrets.

>>96138779
Yes yes, remember to post it again next thread.

>>96139306
Some people are just really retarded

>>96138947
>The original chorf aesthetic is GOATed and it’s a shame they didn’t just take the aesthetic used for the total war games which was basically just the original aesthetic but done a little more seriously.
I think the TOW aesthetic looks fucking awful though. Those blank dome helmets have literally never looked good.

Fyreslayers chads what you think GW has in store for us?

>>96138982
I think if you color the different layers of the wings different colors it will look way better. If you do like an obsidian and gold layered look IMO it'll look great. But it needs different colors to break up the texture and emphasise a mechanical aspect.

>>96139329
>rumour has it they won't get a book in 4e, despite staying in the game
5e starter set obviously

>>96139329
I’m still banging on that one rumor of fyreslayers joining hands with regular Duradin into a new book. Also with an extensive range for slayers.

>>96139128
They're one of the most popular AoS armies.

>>96139294
NTA but yiffs have a bigger range after the refresh than every traitor legion except death guard. Sisters and admech aren't microfactions either, you're really stretching it here

>>96138760
I can shit up the thread with my game pictures from yesterday again

>both Khorne and Kharadron armies of renown have genuinely powerful bonuses for distinctive army themes
Are they finally getting it? Are we finally getting a writing team who knows what the fuck they're doing?

>>96139329
When they will squat that shit faction? They didnt give Gitmob a book but they are keeping this horrible same looking army?

>>96139350
Nice oriental terrain. Shame so many minis aren't painted but I hope you had a good time, anon.

>>96139349
Not to mention that Votann themselves, prior to the just announced 2nd wave are a microfaction by any reasonable definition.

>>96139306
Yes, without a shadow of a doubt, they have the more historical-adjacent armor design as opposed to the lumineth's higher fantasy designs and a style of trim that's very distinctive to lumineth but very alien to high elves.

>>96139361
Never. GW designing Chorfs so that they don't overlap at all with Fyreslayers should have been your first clue that they were sticking around.

>>96139329
They're getting the thunderstrike treatment: near complete redesign from the ground up in 5th edition.

>>96139366
Gotta say I really like the stuff they previewed for them here though. Was never super into just the armored guys but I love the NASA vehicles and the robots, and really like the vibe of the new Votann stuff.

>>96139369
without a shadow of a doubt you are retarded.

>>96139377
>GW designing Chorfs so that they don't overlap at all with Fyreslayers
???? What?

>rumors were absolutely clear from the very beginning chorfs were coming to AoS not to TOW
>no faction that's been reintroduced/brought into AoS has ever preserved their originaly WHFB look
>despite this literally thousands of posts whining since release they don't look exactly like WHFB dwarfs
???????

>>96139363
Yeah WIP. Getting out from painting to actually play the game is reinvigorating and nice to break it up. I will say in our defense atleast there IS some paint on like 90% of the models. My cow and eltharion are done up but the cow base isn't finished

>>96139349
>than every traitor except death guard
you say that as if they had much, slaanesh has 1 centerpiece and 3 infantry units.

>>96139350
Konichiwa

>>96139386
Crying is not an argument.

>>96139395
Lizardmen and Gravelords looking like they fit in both disprove you entirely. Same with Skaven and for the most part Chaos Warriors/slaves to darkness

It's just entirely at the mercy of whatever faggot designer gets assigned your army in the end. If it will be one who cares and knows what looks good, or one that just phones in a lazy "reimagining" like what Chorfs got.

>>96139434
>Gravelords
You mean the army that derastically changed what part of Europe the undead are based on?

>>96139369
well you are entitled to your opinion in that case. I personally disagree.
>>96139395
tbf chorfs are kind of a weird case where they did exist in aos for a while with some non-whfb original models even being released.

>>96139395
>>no faction that's been reintroduced/brought into AoS has ever preserved their originaly WHFB look
except chaos, vampires, lizards, goblins, skaven

>>96139451
I would fuck the hairy lady

>>96137980
GW cant count, just read it as "Lots"

>>96139451
>oh no some vampires are now this kind of eastern european instead of this other kind of eastern european
wow, so drastic

>>96139458
Goblins were shitty Orcs sidekicks in every other WH franchise is AoS the first that took the smart decision to put them into the spotlight with an interesting and new aesthetic anon.

I dream they do the same someday in 40k

>>96139458
>except chaos
Or are you saying conan Darkoath are viking Norsca?

>>96139413
I mean have you seen Teclis' new face?

>>96139434
>>96139458
I think he meant reintroduced as in a faction that was lost in the transition from whfb to aos but then "brought back" in a new rendition. In that sense skaven, lizards, vampires, ... always existed in aos. To be fair its kind of a weird argument anyway because under those criteria really only loomies and ossiarchs (if you count them as a tomb kings redo, which, eh) exist to start conjectures with.

>>96139395
Skaven???

>>96139466
Von cumstains were mainly Western European

>>96139466
You'll get fucking stabbed with this understanding of Europe

>>96139451
Ok so the skeletons have a different type of european armor but still fit in both games and look like they belong in both? And you still are ignoring the Lizardmen and Chaos Warriors argument.

>>96139503
>Chaos Warriors
I like how you have to specify that 1 kit and not argue Slaves to Darkness as a whole. Or even the fact AoS has 5 armies in place of wfb's 1

>>96139483
I agree, gobbos are one of those things that aos does better than whfb, same with for example flesh eaters courts and nighthaunt.
>I dream they do the same someday in 40k
full gretchin army would be just the thing to lure me into that godforsaken game. Maybe exodites if they do it well.

>>96139513
Oh sorry I meant Chaos Warriors as a whole. They all fit in both settings. I guess you could argue the darkoath dont fit AS well but aside from them they still fit in both settings perfectly.

>>96139451
>World Eaters.
Anon, vyrkos is literally just 3 named characters, and random Cursed city goobers, hardly a significant part of the range

>>96139495
Yes, VLAD was western european, sure.

>>96139329
>>96139342
>>96139380
fyreslayers vs vampire coast 5th edition launch box
all hail death editions
trust the plan

>>96139196
They should have leaned fully into this theme desu

>>96139539
>first name not last name
I guess John Sheckelstein is a fellow whit eperson with no possible strange background

>>96139539
The funny thing there is that he originated in Niggahara, so that would kickstart a different argument

>>96139539
Vlad would cry if you told him Sylvania is eastern empire, rather than accept his convoluted explanation of how its actually in the central part

>>96139081
That looks more like she's turning into a reptile

>>96139561
Are you implying that Vlad is jewish, because his lastname is CarSTEIN? you know, a group of people very common in central/eastern europe?

>>96139196
Do they shave the beards of the anointed?

>>96139627
Anon, we're not gonna start this. You dont want it.

>>96139627
"Von" andon. It's the "von".
That's a very specific name.
Besides -stains in Eastern Europe are all imigrants anyway. There's a reason Ashkenazi literally means German

>>96139642
Probably. If the process of wearing the helmet is the same as for the Horns, it would kind of be necessary.
>The most notable item worn by the most honoured warriors of the Horns of Hashut is the bull-horned war mask, the hashutaar. Forged in the taurine image of the Father of Darkness, this is more than just an intimidating symbol of office; it is an artefact of fell power, tempered in the blood and ashes of sacrificial victims and infused with potent sorcery. A hashutaar is earned only through the darkest of deeds, and it grants the bearer supernatural strength and endurance, allowing them to smash their way through solid stone walls. Each mask is crafted by its wearer, and represents their pact with Hashut - the offering of their soul in exchange with the strength to survive. According to tradition, it must be donned when the metal is red hot: an agonising process many warriors do not survive.

>>96139627
>Are you implying that Vlad is jewish
He was part of the desert people once and he now drinks blood and pretends to be a member of another nation.

>>96137653 (OP)
i like everything but the weird scorpion tails. those just look out of place, a regular deer tail would be improved the model i think

that said, i also think it would be a cool army to get that has both the units on the left and the archers on the right, in much the same way that something like slaanesh has blissbard archers but then also has fiends and slaangor fiendblood (bad warscrolls notwithstanding)

dont make it an ultimatum this or that, put it all in the same army.

>>96139196
>missed on the chevron slits
>missed on the hoof-shoes
>missed on the bidents
what were they thinking?

>>96139733
I honestly think if we dont get wanderers this edition, we wont ever see them again.

>>96139755
wanderers were kicked out a long time ago

>>96138410
the models look good, that color scheme is kinda ass though. i dont even hate the fire, but their armor is like brass, darker brass and iron, and all 3 shades of metallic are extremely similar, and then for an accent they used a dull mauve, and put it all against studio terrain thats the same color as their armor and stuck them on desaturated grey bases.

like, you squint your eyes and you cant even see the minis in that image, they blend into the terrain, the whole mini blends together because its all the same color.

just a terrible studio scheme

>>96139785
it's funny how much chorfs improve when given literally anything but the official colour scheme. Still not a huge fan but a definite improvement.

>>96139824
Holy shit the bull looks so much better in black. Yeah im scrapping the stone look entirely now.

>>96139824
making the giant bull mount black with bleeding runes would probably be a pretty good look

>>96139824
That still doesn't work due to the gold
Look at the crewmembers, look at how the frontal part of their hat isn't in a strikingly contrasting other color than the rest of the hat, paint all other hats the same way and avoid painting the trim a different colour and the miniatures imorove MASSIVELY
trim is the sight killer

also those centaurs are way too oversized and the taurus is probably undersized there

>>96139835
You can have black stone
I also expect someone to use the cracked earth texture paint on it to add a lava texture

>>96139824
It definintely looks better as a whole, but the individual sculpts still stink no matter the paint scheme.

>>96139824
the bull works but the rest of it not as much. needs less gold, more black, either black trim or black plate with red trim or something like pic related

less gaudy, more brutal. that fits these models better, especialyl since they dont have as much filligree and embossed iconography as the old ones, they are more stripped down and brutalist

>>96139835
could go for a basalt or shale tone, look for it

>>96139870
for (You)

>>96139824
you can polish a turd all you like, at the end of the day it's still a turd

Thinking of starting a first AoS army but can't decide between Skaven or Kruleboyz, there's an lgs that still has a Skaventide box slightly below retail. What would be a better bet?

>>96140013
I'd check for bundles online rather than buy a whole VS box with a 2nd army you don't need

>>96140013
You can get into either one relatively cheaply due to their starter boxes getting chopped up and sold on ebay

>>96140013
Skaven have spent more time overall in the "competitive" zone than Kruleboys, who the rules writers have seemed to struggle with. After the Skaven update they have broadly similar aesthetics (spiky/scrappy/ragtag), so since you don't feel strongly one way or the other I'd vote Skaven.

>>96140013
If you can split the skaventide then go for it.
If you want to go kruleboyz then look in the secondary market for stormbringer issues

>>96140013
I think you'll like skaven better

>>96140013
Skaven have the bigger range, and while kb were in a launch box too it's been 3 years so will be more difficult to pick up for a good price. Everything else being equal, I would go for skaven.

Also, how much of a discount are we talking ? It's all gone now but in my area you could find skaventide at 15% off for a while, maybe you can find some near you.

>>96140013
skaventides a good deal, and between the two armies it definitely has a wider range of models and i would also say more interesting named characters for its narrative to revolve around. skaven have units for just about every role, good mobility, good shooting, good melee, a bit on the squishy side but can also bring units back from the dead constantly with reinforcements.

kruleboyz models have a lot of charm and personality with their lanky proportions, goofy tiki mask shields, and sour expressions, as well as a decent collection of fun beasts to paint, though as an army they have massive gaps in their roster most other armies dont have, and their gameplay can be quite difficult to grasp, relying on fragile units, baited traps, and a fair bit of random chance. skaven also has random mechanics, but in skaven you get the payoff upfront and then suffer random consequences, while kruleboyz have no random consequences but a highly random chance for your payoff to just not happen, with the dice often leaving you up shits creek. they also dont have a way to bring models back or heal, so once your squishy guys die, they're just gone

all of this to say, both armies have fun model ranges, but with kruleboyz limited roster, unforgiving mechanics, and lack of reinforcements, you are more likely to face an uphill battle trying to learn them. aesthetics are more important than anything else, but all other things being equal i would start with skaven and then circle back around to kruleboyz if you ever decide to collect a second army.

>>96140013

Pick the one you think has cooler miniatures

When will kruleboyz get cavalry
or bugs
or bug cavalry

>>96140139
Deepstriking flying ranged cav soon

>>96140139
warclans already have cavalry, and if kruleboys get one it will be hobgrots anyway
bugs will feature in the drogrukh army
bugs cavalry are is in sylvaneth

>>96139824
Does this exist in a higher resolution?
>>96139967
Bad taste.

>>96140139
unfortunately i fear >>96140155
might be the case, and that the GW team see warclans as a single cohesive army and not actually two separate ranges, so they might feel that goregruntas and mawgruntas satisfy kruleboyz cavalry needs, and that boltboyz and killbowz satisfy ironjawz ranged needs, despite the two armies pretty much not interacting at all on the tabletop.

i still hold out hope, we have a cavalry commander for kruleboyz (actually we have 4 different cavalry heroes and yet no cavalry) so it could happen, but i worry they think the problem is already solved.

>>96140139
I hope never. They should have different mechanics from IJ. Like some outflanking from the fog or appearing near opponents units in their movement phase when they move as a KB reaction or something.

>>96139824
I just wish we didnt have the ugly women sculpts. I want bearded angry manlets, not ugly fat women faces.

>>96140107
The store has it priced at 170 USD, my only issue with trying for Kruleboyz halves or Dominion boxes is that I end up getting screwed on import fees anyway. So if I were to start with them it'd have to be on the Spearhead. As a bonus I like the theme and aesthetic of Stormcast so I think I'll keep that half and just eventually make a full army out of it.

>>96140198
Literally just a head swap anon. And even a two digit IQ should be enough to scroll through the alternate poses and realize that there's nothing stopping you from using all male heads.

Do all unmodified rolls of 1 fail, or only unmodified rolls of 1 to hit, wound, and save? The Kruleboyz faction terrain lets you add 1 to the results of dirty trick rolls when you're near the totem and im uncertain if i'd be able to get my first trick off for 'free' with the help of the totem, or if it's only useful on the subsequent rolls.

It seems intentional that the core rules are lacking a blanket "rolls of 1 auto fail" line somewhere at the beginning or in reminder text, instead having each example provided state that "this roll fails on an unmodified 1", which is not present in the Kruleboyz army rules, and that there's no faq about it as far as I can tell

>>96140215
>using all male heads.
That implies there are enough male heads for all, which is not a given, certain female models (like the one at the artillery) also seem to come with sculpted details on the breastplate as visual proxy of a decorated beard, which suggests the model is intended to be a female and has no alternative male head

Shoulda been fimir.

>>96140261
We do this song and dance every time and you're always wrong, any recent GW kit gives you AT LEAST two heads per body, if not more.

>>96140198
>>96140261
NTA but just don't buy the minis if having dwarf women is such a fucking deal breaker for you, you stupid whining faggot. You probably didn't have any interest in the army in the first place and you're only trying to stir shit up. Please kys, unironically

With chorfs out of the way, next is umbraneth, right?

>Noooooo muh womeeeeen!!!! stoooop
How many years has been?

>>96140261
idk what to tell you if having one female model on the artillery crew is a dealbreaker for you besides "if you don't want the product don't buy the product"

>>96140227
1s being auto fails only apply in combat and prayers, for example if you roll 1-1 in charge you can still make that 3" charge as long as you have any plusses to charge rolls

>OH MY GOD I'M FORCED TO MAKE ONE ARTILLERYMAN A WOMAN
>SAVE ME NIGGERMAN YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE

>>96140207
The full skaventide set for a 170 dollars ?? That's a great deal, probably around 35%. The discounted sets in my area came down to 175 and that's in euros. That's a great deal and if you wanna get into aos it's a pretty great discount. Now that being said be sure you really want skaven, don't get too blinded by the discount either.
But yeah from a purely monetary perspective this is a great point towards skaven.

>>96140283
>Umbraneth
Fuck i don't know wich one of the schizos in this general is more laughable.

>>96140013
Look online for places that ship to you. It’s not hard to find skaventide like 30% off online due to how poorly it sold relative to number of copies produced. If you’re in Canada I can even link you skaventides for that much.

>>96140293
that's what I thought, thanks for the confirmation!

>>96140280
>and you're always wrong
no, I'm not, you just conveniently ignore all instances where you're wrong, there are kits with obligated women models, the apt analogue being the crew of the cannon in cities of sigmar, alternative head or not, one crewmember is a woman regardless of what you may want.

It is likely for the infantry to have enough heads to make them all male, but it's not a given.

>>96140283
Next as in being the army people will talk about coming soon for the next five years, yeah probably.

they put female heads in votann boxes too but theres usually 2-3 of them to show in box covers. the newer sprues have a hefty amount of head options and there's usually more than enough male heads for 10 man units

i for one will not use female heads at all

>>96140316
>there are kits with obligated women models
THE HORROR. I'm sure that was a bone chilling experience for you.

But that's obviously not the case here, all the infantry bodies are unisex so stop crying about your one artillerywoman already, it's pitiful.

>>96140326
>But that's obviously not the case here
Do you have the sprues in hand?

>I. HAD. TO. ASSEMBLE. A. FEMALE. BODY!!!
>NOOOOOOOO
Imagine

>>96140338
yeah, im holding them right now. fits in one hand nicely so i'm free to use the other hand to jerk your mom off

>>96140325
votann heads don't come with big hats, extra heads take way more space on the sprue.

>>96140338
Please do point out the hidden tits in the previewed infantry units anon. Impress me with your unbelievable autism.

>>96140282
who's the ones shitting up the thread again?
>>96140344
>>96140326
>>96140299
>>96140284

>>96140304
Another question just for future list building as I'm not familiar with AoS and also just started recently with 40k. How viable would a Skaven list be that's a mix of clanrats, some weapon teams, maybe a few rat ogres and then some of the big characters? I don't want something super meta and don't like unit and character spamming. So was just curious at a more varied thematic list.

>>96139824
>>96140162
Found it.
>>96140261
>That implies there are enough male heads for all, which is not a given
That is a given for the infantry. This is the standard for infantry units now.
The only one I'd be uncertain about if the artillery. Hopefully there is another spare male infantry head to swap with.
>>96140325
Same. Who the hell plays any dwarf faction for women minis???
I want the big glorious beards.

>>96140360
Those making ridiculous statements about Chorfs obviously

>>96140362
That would be perfectly playable

>>96140355
The point is not that there might be hidden tits on the models, but that there might not be enough male heads for all of the bodies.

>>96140364
God the mortar looks so wimpy

>>96139217
>>96139251
Popular compared to GWs expectations, seeing as one can assume there is some link between production numbers and expected sales. As much as we like to complain about it, GW is trying to only make boxes that sell.
There are plenty of fomo-boxes gathering dust, but not all of them, so I think it's fair to say that leftover boxes is an indicator of popularity.

>>96140351
im not worried, i think they learned how to make most of the empty space in sprues as i saw from their newest kits, 3 sprues should be more than enough to give us a wide range of bearded heads

>>96140360
These are all high quality posts, though.

>>96140379
It looks better in a battery of multiple such howitzers
otherwise I think a conversion that swaps the thin gun with one of the the bullbot's cannon arm should be quiet feasible

I have no idea on how to fix the rockets launcher though, it just looks off that way, maybe by mounting the rockets as pointing vertically? I dunno

What went wrong with AoS Dwarves.

>>96140652
That grogs are too much into potato to appreciate them.

>>96140652
Well you see >>96140564

>>96140652
Is the slayer in the picture naked, and its just his pubes and ass hair?

>>96140652
I think the current AoS creatives struggle to create a faction that isn’t immediately flanderized. The most popular factions are mostly just races ported from fantasy into AoS. When the creatives try to make a new unique faction they can’t convincingly create a new race/people without turning them into a caricature of the concept. I think a lot of it and in general modern GW is how corporate it has become. The creatives aren’t passionate for their work, they are manufacturing creativity and it reeks most of the time. Sometimes they manage something interesting, but most of the time across all current GW systems they miss because it’s so forced and because their respective fanbase will defend literally anything and everything they put out for the most part. At least in 40k and AoS. The more grog games either ignore GW and fix the game themselves like fantasy, which then forced GW to adopt the community changes officially. Or they simply reject it like with the Horus heresy community. The 40k and AoS crowd are younger and newer and tend to simply accept anything that is given to them and will attack anyone who critiques it.

>>96138410
Look at LRL and compare them to the High Elves. Next, do the same with the new Helsmiths of Hashut and Chorfs. Notice anything?

I'll explain some. To put it simply, HoH lacks the design elements that would otherwise identify them as a refresh of, or spiritual successor to, Chorfs. You can paint a pretty clear throughline between LRL and the High Elves, you can't do the same with HoH and the Chorfs. If you squint, turn your head, and be extra generous, you might see one or two elements (slightly tall hats and some beards) - but even then, its a loose connection, at best.

I know AoS is a sequel that doesn't want to be a sequel, but holy shit. Taking your design cues from Warcraft in a bid to "be different" is a little much.

>>96140652
Fuck off with that slop, faggot.

>>96140767
>Let me write an essay about my life as a gay, blind, retarded man
Wow anon, nice copy paste. I'm very impressed by your...uh...bravery and openness about your many crippling disabilities.

>>96140767
That's a lot of text to give us a retarded vision. anon, you don't have something better to do?

It's been two days already and trolls, faggots and grogs are still in full force polluting the thread, how much time until they fuck off?

>>96140826
This is the prime example. Any criticism or lack of positive reception is met with claims of conspiracy and hatred. It’s mental illness to respond like this.

>>96140826
I've taken two weeks off for this

>>96140833
I have seen the whole "criticism" of the thread it goes from "It has women" to "Is not like the old thing i liked so much but never bought" you are entitled to say whatever shit you like and give your opinion but don't expect people to not point your criticism is full of shit.

>>96140833
Anon, "I can't touch a female model without sobbing, shaking, and throwing up" isn't criticism, it's a cry for help.

>>96140767
I don't even like them but how can you possibly claim that they aren't a spiritual succesor to chorfs as loomies are to high elves ? A shitty one maybe but a succesor nonetheless.

>>96140826
Just remember that it would have been like this no matter what was shown on Friday. Literally every reveal brings out the spergs and retards working whatever angle they think has traction in their pitiful, broken minds.

None of it ever amounts to anything, literally. The army gets released, a bunch of people buy it and the world continues on.

>>96140848
>>96140851
>le women
>le blacks
No one really cares about your straw men of the complaints. You can see tons of anon in this thread and others critiquing the aesthetic in multiple ways that reoccur in many arguments that don’t mention either of the two straw men you’ve put up to deflect criticism. You’re pathetic, not because of your subjective like of the product. But in your vitriolic militant hatred of those who do not like it voicing their opinions as to why.

>>96140851
That's rich coming from a transsexual with zero intimate relationships to show for himself

It’s not really Warcraft aesthetics there’s no crippled wizards in magical floating wheelchairs and armless half blind black women fighting grey haired glasses wearing millennial self inserts.

>>96140885
Oh yeah "LOOKS LIKE WARCRAFT" is so thoughtful and interesting criticisim. I feel very sorry for all of you who are so devoid of any joy or can't even let go of some sort of personal hatred against an IP that you have to come here, to a place you hate, to talk and try to diminish other people choices and likes.

Truly sad and schizophrenic behaviour, but i guess you will keep doing it.

>>96140906
Look just because you disagree or don’t like a critique doesn’t mean it isn’t poignant. I completely agree that it looks like if dwarfs joined the burning legion aesthetically. Just because you like the aesthetic doesn’t mean it’s not an accurate comparison.

>>96138213
I hate words that end in -eth- it makes you sound like you have a lisp when you speak them

>>96140848
>your criticism is full of shit.
but it isn't, you're being so reductive that from your point of view it would be practically impossible to have any sort of criticism

>>96140767
HoH, especially with the official paint scheme, are basically "what if dorfs had dark elf aesthetics?" the army. Which is weird for me given I was a big dark elf player. There's some level of visual appeal but at the same time it doesn't feel like dorfs at all.

>>96140906
>Oh yeah "LOOKS LIKE WARCRAFT" is so thoughtful and interesting criticisim
It doesn't have to be, it just has to be correct, and it is, it's not even a comparison that's been limited to 4chan threads.

>>96140922
Look fantasy has a lot of common elements point that something looks like "Warcraft" as some sort of manthra or screaming comes from such aesthetic considering we are talking about a fantasy environment hardly can be considered criticism. WoW is a succesful franchise and even if these models took inspiration from it that is not the case i don't see what's the problem.

>>96140940
Spoiler: It is not. This Warcraft shit is something people (schizos) have been saying since the early Stormcasts design with Pauldrons

You can repeat it how many times you want it doesnt make it correct.

Not everyone likes them, why can't you peopke accept it?

>>96140938
If they're actually retconing Hashut to be a evil dwarf god and not a demon, then they literally are just Dark Dwarfs

>>96140924
I was glad that they renamed Malekith for a similar reason

>>96140906
>to talk and try to diminish other people choices and likes.
Nobody is saying you can't like them
You're the one who's saying people can't dislike them without being trolls or incels or nomodels or whatever other otherism makes you feel like you're still in a safe echochamber

>>96140906
relax james im sure gw is a great company to work for

>>96140957
the real question is why you can't accept people like them? at reddit, at dakka i see the people get hyped and reasonable criticism is given and then people move on why you come here to an anonymous board to scream again and again you don't like something? we got the message...

>>96140957
Spam 150 more posts, maybe then people wii accept you

>>96140932
Here's the thing anon, your criticism literally doesn't matter. It won't change the release, it won't convince other people not to buy the thing you don't like, it serves no actual purpose whatsoever except giving you an avenue to vent your frustration. Which people naturally have very little patience for, because no one is reading this board to hear about YOUR problems.

You can say you don't like something, and that's fine but literally no one cares that you don't like it. The more you whine and cry and carry on and write huge stupid essays and generally bust a spleen about this, the more annoyed with you everyone becomes because none of us signed up to read your blog. No one cares, and that's the truth.

It's like when you're reading product reviews on Amazon or whatever and you automatically skip over the 12 paragraph one star review that's written in all-caps because obviously whoever wrote that diatribe in a fit of rage is an outlier and not worth spending any time on.

>>96140944
No. You’re wrong. The criticism is that the range specifically looks like Warcraft models from a specific faction inside a specific Warcraft expansion. It’s not a general statement of them looking broadly fantasy. It’s a pointed comparison saying they look like one specific faction in Warcraft that is uniquely Warcraft. As the other guy said. People are making the comparison on every website not just here. You’re acting like a schizo pretending these are some kind of targeted attacks here.

>>96140906
Dude I just don't like how they look
I'm not attacking people for liking them, I'm not screeching about chud shit like women and black people, and I'm not even mentioning Warcraft. I just don't like them, and I also don't like being told that I'm doing the above for not liking them.

>>96140940
Except it isnt, the only more vague nothing argument is the "MOBA" one, you can apply it because its a vague mentioning of something everyone knows, but theres nothing else to it

>>96140955
>It is not.
It is, they inarguably look like the low polygons assets of a mmorpg or moba game, especially with the large trims and the unfortunate color scheme.

You don't get to dismiss the comparison because you don't find it flattering.

>>96140966
spamming 350 messages pointing you don't like the new release and memes is ineed a troll/nomodel behaviour, anon, are you new around here?

>>96140976
>one specific faction in Warcraft
Which is?

>>96140974
>here’s the thing anon
>only positivity is welcome here
Fuck off corporate cocksucker. This is 4chan. Not a controlled website like Reddit. You corpo niggers have no power here and people will critique your products if they are bad, as HoH are.

>>96140985
Large trims is literally everywhere in warhammer, and been around for like 30 years.
You literally just boiled the argument down to blockyness looking like low polygons, which is just dumb

>looking at the HoH reception on other sites
>a surprising number of people are saying shit like "they barely changed" and "they're literally identical" to old models
What the fuck
Can we at least all agree, positive or negative, that THIS is insane to say?

>>96140991
The Burning Legion.

>>96140962
I'm actually tempted to do an "evil CoS equivalent" with them, so dark elves and chaos warriors or something. Will have to check out their rules/RoRs to see if it's feasible to put something together when they come out.

>>96140938
I've seen this they look like dark elves criticism a few times over the past few threads and I have to say I don't fully understand the comparison.
Could you elaborate ?

>>96141002
Some people are super autistic about the difference between the primaris marines and old ones, its all just different stages of autistic retardation

>>96139835
I'm keeping mine stone.

>>96141008
and the commonality is green fire?

>>96141002
Do you expect people who have never seen Chorfs irl to be accurate? I think in general the HoH appeal to people who weren’t into Chorfs, and don’t appeal to people who were into Chorfs. Maybe on purpose.

>>96140980
As i said you are entitled to have your opinion and in such case you should not feel what anons are saying about incels/no models/grogs as a personal attack about you, you can say "i don't like them" that's fine but when you say "i don't like them they look like Warcraft thing" or "i dont like them they have women and black dwarfs on it" then you must be prepared to accept that people will laugh at you.

>>96140974
>anon asks why people have an opinion
>people reply
>"GOD NOBODY ASKED AND NOBODY CARES, IT'S YOUR PROBLEM, STOP BEMOANING ABOUT PRODUCT, I'M HERE ONLY FOR POSITIVE ADVERTISEMENT"

you fundamentally don't understand online discussions and 4chan in particular, you want to post on a normal forum or on reddit, you don't belong on 4chan, this is not an insult, it's a genuine advice for you, you'll always be out of place and always, always, see content you personally don't like, you don't get to police it, you don't get to silence it, you don't get to pretend it's not what this place is for

leave

>>96141021
No the general aesthetic and demon machines.

>leave

>>96140987
Have you considered multiple people might make multiple posts?
what is spamming 350 messages pointing you don't like the opinions of posters and memes if not ill/nomodel behaviour?
are you sure you are not the new one around here?

>>96141029
I just kind of expect a person to be able to look a photo of a pear and a photo of an apple, or a slug and a snail, and be able to say "these may be similar, but they are not the same".

>>96141031
I legit wonder if we have GW interns in these threads here. I try to throw in the odd nigger and faggot in my posts just to scare them off in case they are. Those niggerfaggot zoomers can’t handle that kind of banter.

>>96141037
their buildings have that look, but the entire faction is a stretch

They can't even police it on dakka despite their best efforts lmao

>>96141012
It's mostly down to some of the design elements like the helmet crests, the banners and focus on spears/swords combined with the over all colour scheme give off a strong 4/5e dark elf vibe.

>>96140999
Not to the same extent everywhere, where it's most noticeable it's also not accidentally most criticised.

>>96141048
sure same regurgitated arguments and shitty baits to farm (you)s all come from different kind of mentally ill persons, aren't you a funny one? we have seen this kind of faggots since the early days of aos you can't fool anyone here stupid.

>>96141055
They have plenty of beaten housewives who do it free of charge

>>96141066
This is insane. You literally sound like a schizoid who believes they are a targeted individual. Get some help. Some people don’t like the new toy soldiers. There isn’t a grand conspiracy.

>This whole general

>>96141002
A lot of people have never done any genuine critical thinking in their life, the npc meme is not just a meme.

>>96140767
They are still stumpy big hat guys, except the new ones don't have beards and lack something the old ones have, pizzaz? character? they'r emissing something I can't quite put my finger on it. I'd prefer the old ones, they've got that comical babylon warlords thing going on.

>>96141057
Can't say I'm too familiar with retro delf design elements but I personally don't really see the similarities. Elves seem far too ...sharp. Nuchorfs have a kind of rounded look to them leading to the wow comparisons (which I get) but this one eludes me.

>>96141066
>same regurgitated arguments
They're called common opinions.

If you genuinely think any negativity towards aos has come from the same bad actors for 10 years you should go grab a spearhead of ghouls.

>>96141031
I've been on the internet longer than you've been alive you retarded zoomer. You can post your stupid opinions and I can make fun of you for being a retard and remind you that no one cares what you think, because it is literally true.

What is it with children and thinking their stupid internet crusades accomplish anything?

>>96141103
Yeah I can see the Warcraft comparison. I don’t see dark elves either.

>>96141066
>sure same regurgitated arguments
If you ask me 12 times why I don't like something I'm probably going to say the same thing 12 times. Opinions are not arguments and they do not need to be novel or to stand up to intense scrutiny.

>>96141084
who talked about a conspiracy? this is not some sort of great plan, faggot, just a bunch of retards that feel the need to scream louder than the rest as if they have the truth, thing they will never achieve

>>96141106
you can't be negative all you want you think you will have any effect? aos had detractors and retard haters since the very beginning we have gone through sharks and cogforts spammers and the game still is here no matter how much it hurts your kind

With how amateurish and blocky many of the HoH sculpts feel. I wonder if the rumours about GW outsourcing sculpts is actually true. This looks like some kind of Etsy project and doesn’t come near stuff like the new Skaven.

>>96140652
They wrote good lore, and fucked up the minis with Fyreslayers.
They wrote good lore, and narrowly missed (but still missed) with KO
And they finally got everything right with HoH! Third time is the charm!
Hashut Hashut Hashut!
>>96140717
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>96141139
that's the problem, no one is asking you shit, you just come here, say you dont like it again and again and expect people to say o you are right, anon! and such thing will not happen.

>>96141103
It's been a while but that color scheme is brighter than the old retro one was, desaturate it and you get pretty close the nu chorf one. The brightness also makes them look "sharper" than they were, in person they were rounder/blockier being handsculpts.

>>96141142
Anon. Stop acting like a schizoid. Go to another forum. Go to dakka for example. See that plenty of people think the new range is ugly and it’s not some retards trying to damage the game. You like it. Good for you. Most people on uncontrolled forums do not. It’s not some hate train for AoS.

>>96141145
It's brain drain as with most creative enterprises. Talent leaves, corpos take their place and creative vision takes a nose dive.

>>96141151
A new reveal is indeed actually an invitation for any given person in the general to talk about their opinions.

>>96141113
You're projecting your newfaggotry, being terminally online and being on an ineffective pointless virtue signalling crusade, do you understand that, or do you need to be online for 10 more years before the irony hits you back?

>>96141163
I mean I guess. It’s just clear that there’s a massive gulf of talent between say the Skaven sculptors and the hack who did HoH. How they passed QC at GW boggles my mind.

>>96141142
>you can't be negative all you want you think you will have any effect?
Why do you think discussions online are for "having any effect"?

>>96141178
It’s because he thinks there’s a grand conspiracy to attack AoS through speaking negatively about the HoH. He’s a schizo.

>>96141173
Pretty sure QC at James these days little more than a suit and hr lady making sure there's nothing "problematic" and calling it a day. I doubt anyone making any important decisions even plays or cares about the minis or even knows much about the settings.

>>96140282
My god anon sorry for stating my preferences for wanting my Dwarfs to have beards. Kill yourself, swallow some razor blades you faglord supremo

>>96141173
I suspect Skaven got lucky because they were in the big box next to stermcerst, so they had to take extra care. Skaven also have a much larger backing compated to chorfs who habe always been a fringe faction.

>>96141145
I can see outsourcing happening for stuff like scenery and spells, but not main ranges, let alone ones like this, this is the result of someone with a narrow vision and a overburdening imposition to make the range "accessible" because fire and smoke effects aside, all the choices they have made result in an extremely easy model line to paint.

>>96140326
>get proven wrong
>change the argument

As always with your kind

>>96141205
>I suspect Skaven got lucky because they were in the big box next to stermcerst, so they had to take extra care.
You say that, but we still got kroolgoyz last edition, so that can't be it

>>96140767
>HoH lacks the design elements that would otherwise identify them as a refresh of, or spiritual successor to, Chorfs
??? Hats, scalemail, ornate garb, tusks, curled beards?
>You can paint a pretty clear throughline between LRL and the High Elves
????????

Crying about being called out does flood the thread and make it unusable, but it's rather low energy.
4/10

Peak dedication was that one guy spaming 30 of the same pre writen image replies in a row in every new thread. Waiting the timer to post minute after minut, so he sat in front of the computer solving captchas (i think that was still the car image ones) for half an hour.

>>96141205
Are you actively pretending like all the complaints about "awful CAD fur" never happend?

>>96141173
Is there really a big difference between the two on a technical level ? I'd say the problem is more art direction than execution of the sculpting process.

I definitely think there are cases where they put their more or less talented people on different projects (case in point : the massive gap in quality between the khorne and recent kurnothi warband). However I think any criticism of chorfs should be levied at the concept team, not the sculptors

>>96141216
>can't read
>declares victory

As expected.. All I did was point out that we've been through the "there isn't enough heaaaaaaaaads" loop a billion times and the whiners are always, always wrong. Then you changed the subject to kits that do have female bodies which is demonstrably not at all relevant to the units we were talking about.

The fact is the box will get released, there will be 2+ heads for every body in the kit, no one will have forced you to apply a female head to one of the models you didn't buy anyway, and you'll move on the next preview to start the entire pointless sob and dance over again.

I'm telling you in advance that I'm right and I don't give a fuck that you want to spend a couple of weeks pretending you don't already know I'm right because crying on internet forums is your entire life.

>>96141243
As opposed to what, passively pretending? What are you even trying to say?

>>96141251
>However I think any criticism of chorfs should be levied at the concept team, not the sculptors
It can be directed to both without issues, the concept team doesn't breath on the neck of sculptors to tell them to make the models flat.

>>96141251
It may indeed be that the concept was to make them strangely blocky. They look like amateurish cad sculpts. Obviously Skaven were also done in CAD but they look incredible and don’t reek of it. Maybe the problem is with the concept team and not the sculptors.

>>96141234
Mapanon wasn't the troll we deserved but the troll we needed. These new shit posters are embarrassing.

>>96141261
Im saying that pretending like everyone loved the skaven release at the time, and the arguments werent the same, is just revisionism and not true at all

>>96141280
If you think that blockiness is somehow an indicator of CAD sculpting, you probably have no idea what you are talking about

>>96140717
>"When the Fire Meets the Fog: A Clash of Beards and Barrels"

In the beast-strewn wilds of Ghur, a lone Kharadron Overlord touches down with a hiss of valves and a puff of aether-steam. From the opposite ridge, an enraged Fyreslayer Berserker charges forward—nearly naked, beard flowing like molten lava, roaring like an angry furnace.
They stop. They stare. One fogged-up helmet. One glistening chest.

>Dramatis Personae
>* Brokk-Haf Thunderbludge – Kharadron navigator and staunch believer in personal space.
>* Gralk Flamegut – Fyreslayer Grimwrath with a voice like gravel and absolutely zero shame.

Gralk (snarling): You there! Beard-in-a-barrel! Why do you hide your shame in a teapot?
Brokk-Haf (muffled through helmet): This is a pressure-regulated, aether-sealed, triple-forged diving suit… not a teapot.
Gralk (jabbing halberd, which is twice his size): Then why does it hiss when you walk? You look like a kettle on legs!
Brokk-Haf (checking his chronometer): Are you… naked? Is your beard your only form of armor?
Gralk (proudly puffing chest): Grimnir protects me! And what he misses, my axe avenges!
Brokk-Haf: Your axe is longer than your body. Compensating much?
Gralk (roaring): This axe has slain monsters bigger than your ship! And my body is dense with rage!
Brokk-Haf (muttering): Dense with something, alright.
[Beat of silence. Steam hisses. A beast roars in the distance.]
Gralk: Tell you what, kettle-beard. You cover me from afar with your fart-cannon, and I’ll crack skulls up close.
Brokk-Haf (shrugging): Deal. Just… don’t bleed on the optics again.

>>96141257
>and the whiners are always, always wrong
except when they aren't, and that's where you shift from
>it's not a problem that happens
to
>it happens but it's not a problem
or
>only a troll would think it's not good

>>96141300
People said that about CoS, they were wrong, what makes this one any different?

>>96141300
Yes Yes I know, you desperate NEED to change the subject, because you can't deny that I'm right.

>>96141285
Well, good thing I never said anything of the sort then.

>>96141295
"The Dispossessed Observer"

Off to the side, half-hidden behind a mossy boulder, sits old Master Storrim Stonebrow — a Dispossessed runesmith and artisan, too tired to fight and too proud to flee. He watches the two cousins bicker, puffing thoughtfully on his pipe.

>Dramatis Personae
>Master Storrim Stonebrow – Dispossessed artisan who's seen it all: holds fallen, kin scattered, traditions warped. And now, faced with a screaming nude axe-dwarf and a floating steampunk scuba-nerd, he can only sigh like an anvil dropped on a soft bed of disappointment.

Storrim (muttering to himself): One runs around half-naked screaming about fire, the other’s wrapped in a brass can with more valves than sense. What in Grungni’s beard happened to dwarves?
>He squints at the Fyreslayer.
That one’s beard covers more than his britches ever did. Runes carved into his arse like he’s a walking rune-anvil. Must tickle somethin’ fierce.
>Then to the Kharadron.
And that one? Can’t even fart without a pressure gauge. Takes him twenty minutes just to scratch his armpit.
>He sighs, long and deep.
I remember when dwarves wore trousers, built fortresses, and minded their bloody business…
>…Now we scream at sky-beasts in loincloths, or drift about in flying kettles pretending to be rich.
>He takes another puff and shuffles off toward a fallen stone, muttering:
Maybe the elves had a point.

>>96141285
>everyone
strawman

it's without question that some releases are way more positively received than others, there's no conspiracy to ruin aos, it's mostly people sharing their comments and some releases being more in line with people's tastes and expectations than others, and this release has been received worse than the skaven one, which is both sad and unsurprising because there were a lot of expectations for this army

>>96141316

>>96141315
>they were wrong
except when they weren't, such as with the artillery, cavalry, rangers, and characters
the inclusion of women isn't always optional

>>96141351
Blood knights, who also happened to have suffered from bad design direction

>>96141316
>>96141330
Are we meant to notice something?

>>96141351
Anon they've revealed the entire chorf range, literally. Please do point out for the class how many inescapable boobies there are across the entire range giving you nightmares.

>>96141292
I don’t. I’m saying it looks like amateurish cad sculpting. As I said the Skaven were done the same way but don’t suffer from the same issues at all.

>>96141368
This strawmanning and general acceptance of whatever company gives you is how we got this bad of a HoH release. If less people were like you the AoS team would have to apply themselves.

>>96141368
>Please do point out
When the sprues are shown I will, or I won't, depending on whether they did the good thing or let everyone down.

>>96141351
The only "female" knight body, is the one thats thinner tha the rest, but theres nothing else to suggest its a woman, and the instruction dont suggest that either, same goes for the gun crew, just use the head with a helmet instead of the bobcut

>>96141404
>optional female heads will be the doom of AoS

>>96141406
>or won't
We all know you're not going to crawl back here and apologize after the obvious is revealed, no shit. But you'll do your best to cry about it every day until then.

>>96141413
Not the doom, just the continued slide into a corporate modern DND like slop product.

>>96141409
the gun crewmember has sculpted boobs

you don't get to say it doesn't happen and then hide behind excuses when it happens

Does anyone know a good source for chains for minatures? I have an idea for my dudes (for chorfs) where I’ll wrap their mouths shut with chains. Dunno what would be a good size where it won’t be comically big though.

>>96141453
You can try to greenstuff them. Anything plastic would be hard to wrap around anything.

Unless you mean actual metal chains, then idk

>>96141453
You'd need some very fine chain, try jewellry supplies

>>96141413
They eat spruespace for options nobody wants at the detriment of better design directions or better bits.
The pointless necessity to have female heads in the chaos dwarf range has now led to all infantry models having very small beards.
In another time instead of wasting 10 heads for female versions we would have had alternative helmets to represent a different unit option.

There's no positive to this inclusion.
Noone was asking for beardless dwarfs.

>>96141476
>There's no positive to this inclusion.
Noone was asking for beardless dwarfs.

I personally, don't really care about Female Dwarfs one way or another. I think they don't really work unless you give them a lot of hair, that said, no one asked for this? Retard anon, I see lots of people asking for female dwarfs all the time. Not everyone hates getting female models, quite the opposite.

>>96141476
>There's no positive to this inclusion.
>Noone was asking for beardless dwarfs.
That's not true, there are many male to female transsexuals in the AoS community who will be happy to self-insert

>>96141491
I’m guessing you’re a said pillar of the community

>>96141491
People pretend like colored hair freaks are an AoS thing, but i only ever seen them playing Infinity and TOW

>>96141512
What's the point of lying on an anonymous message board?

>>96141512
True, we had a couple of legendary meltowns involving those people on the Infinity forums

>>96141489
>I personally don't care
so your opinion doesn't matter compared to the one of people who care, one way of another

is there ANYONE who cares about having female chaos dwarfs in the normal troops?

>>96141512
I mean it makes sense. AoS is more of a millenial/dad game. TOW is more appealing to either bigger old codgers or zoomers who learned about WHF through video games, and naturally that audience is going to be more Trans leaning.

>>96141544
Millennials are the foot soldiers of the alphabet colored hair revolution. Who do you think is making so many settings gay with their new additions. It’s millennials.

>>96141543
>is there ANYONE who cares about having female chaos dwarfs in the normal troops?
Did Hashut bless them with four boobs or something?

Does anyone have any tips for 3rd party stuff that might look good for converting the new models? Headswaps? Replacements? Or supplements to the new army for those that like it, but want more?

>>96141543
I don't care to the extent that I don't believe we should get all female dwarfs, or no female dwarfs. Just because I'm not an extremist doesn't mean I'm going to sign on to your agenda. I don't like feminist harpies but I don't like edgelord teenagers who have embraced casual misogyny because they feel abused, either.

>>96141554
They're saving that for the cow centaurs

>>96141543
There’s only one or two heads that I feel are cute/worth keeping on some troops. I don’t really care for them as test projects I guess. I’m looking forward to the infernal guard getting adapted to Aos though, I hope they’re as customizable as the slaanesh warriors, I’d hope for blightkings but nothing has been as customizable as that since god knows when.

>>96138430
Those aren't your chorfs

>>96141561
All the 3rd party stuff is for either oldschool dwarfs or legion of azghor, not really anything that would match the new direction.
I guess you could try using puppetswar space marine minotaur helmets, they're pretty angular, the strictly sci fi bits can be removed easily, and they could make for nice alternative heads.

Oh and blood bowl dwarfs, they also have a certain type of details that make them possibly fit these new dwarfs.

>>96138929
Holy shit that's really good

>>96139350
> Unpainted trash
> Cool terrain

>>96141565
>I don't care to the extent that I don't believe we should get all female dwarfs, or no female dwarfs.
You are sounding very dishonest here, you say you don't care about the female dwarfs but the you say you care if they aren't present, that means you care about their presence, why?
Aside from owning the chud, I mean.

>>96141647
People are conned into being allies to women who are actually obese men in wigs

>>96141647
>Being a normal person who isn't brainbroken by politics is dishonest now
It's very simple anon, I don't see getting female models as a bad thing, I never have. I'm older, I come from a generation where hot/cute warrior chicks were a completely normal thing in fantasy and no one was weird about it. Now everything has to be a political statement but I don't give a shit about that.

So for me personally, if I do pick up the Chorf army box whether or not I use any of the female heads comes down to aesthetics and personal taste. I might use some of the heads if I think they're cute, if not I'll stick with beards. Either way I'm not looking to make a fucking statement but I do appreciate having options.

>>96141692
>I don't see getting female models as a bad thing
so you see them as a positive, why?
>hot/cute warrior chicks
these are neither
>I'm older
no, you aren't
>but I do appreciate having options
these options came instead of other things, if you end up not using them, you're literally appreciating having less options, and noone is planning to use them

>>96141692
>I come from a generation where hot/cute warrior chicks were a completely normal thing in fantasy and no one was weird about it.
Nobody would bat an eye if that's what they were, but GW go out of their way to make them obese and androgenous, so people are justifyably appalled

>>96141692
>>96141753
Given they are chorfs, I dig the way they've done ugly women. Same with current CoS, it doesn't look out of place compared to when they do it with CoS, Vampires, and that new dark elf model. There's time and place for different styles.

>>96141752
>these options came instead of other things, if you end up not using them, you're literally appreciating having less options, and noone is planning to use them
This is literally one of the dumbest sentences I've ever read in my life.

>>96141791
Compared to what they did with Stormcast I mean. Or that KO lady on front cover of new unit, god what an ugly piece of shit.

>>96141791
>OKAY SO THEY ARE UGLY AS FUCK WOMEN AND THAT MAKES MY ARGUMENT WORTHLESS, BUT I'M GONNA CHANGE THE ARGUEMENT ABOUT HOW I AM FINE WITH IT BECAUSE THE FACTION THEIR FROM OKAY?!

Stop posting.

>>96141805
I am obviously not even the same poster, retard.

I hope that there's an option for HoH to take Kruleboyz regiments of renown or vice versa given that they both "employ" hobgrots. Would be fun to add the ballista and boltboy regiment or Skumdrek and his hobgrots to the army

>>96141692
>I'm older, I come from a generation where hot/cute warrior chicks were a completely normal thing in fantasy and no one was weird about it.
This clearly isn't that at all. It's a war on femininity, and creativity by proxy.
The units are made to be unisex, the women androgynous and ugly, on purpose by ideologues. This is not an inspired decision, it's a diversity quota.
The Underworlds warband leader is arguably better, just because they went in for making her this comically ugly matriarch figure.
There is at least some character in that compared to every new release having this modern western notion that "anything men can do woman can also obviously do, and they participate in compareable numbers".
It's just such shit writing, with the designers cramming their modern world views into fantasy settings.
It's not "fantastical and awesome women, doing incredible things". This is not warrior princess Xena.

>>96141791
Ugly women have their place, hags are a classic fantasy trope after all. They should be their own thing though, not sprinkled into every other unit.

>>96141878
Yeah, I do agree in general sense.

>>96141865
jesus christ just fuck off back to /pol/

>>96141895
Why? anon is spot on

>>96141796
you must not read much, or think much.

>>96141895
In 18 years on this site I have NEVER even been there anon.
This is not some closeted racist opinion, it's just a completely obvious observation.
That you dismiss because you think everyone is racist, which means you don't have to think about what they said.

>>96141865
motherfucker all fantasy settings have the writers modern worldview put into them, that's why the old ones are the way that they are. are you actually too retarded to realize this? do us all a favor, go read some old fantasy novels, think about who wrote them and when for half a second, then shove a broom up your ass

>>96141956
There's a grain of truth to it, but the people who shriek, and scream and cry and shit their pants everytime a woman or minority gets included in literally anything regardless of context are no better.

If both sides could just unalive themselves simultaneously, we could live in a better world.

>>96141928
I one met a Japanese homeless man in front of Osaka castle, who was selling his poetry. He asked me if I had read Hemingway. When I declined, he responded "not much of a reader then". Biggest humbling of my life.

>>96141975
why the fuck does this feel like ai wrote this

>>96141978
Paranoia?

>>96141971
>There's a grain of truth to it, but the people who shriek, and scream and cry and shit their pants everytime a woman or minority gets included in literally anything regardless of context are no better.
Nta, but you DO realize that this happens because of an extreme response in the first place right? When people bring up their complaints and then are called racist nazis (Which is an extreme), you shouldn't be surprised that the other side eventually will become extreme in their arguments as well. This is end result is BECAUSE inital complaints years ago when all this culture war shit started was met with calling people who had issues with diversity or whatever ultra mega racist nazis and we should kill nazis on sight, so naturally, things fucking escalated to the point that it's stupid to call one side more ridiculous than the other, since it's just a response and reaction to the tactics of the other side.

>>96141964
Why so hostile, anon? Yes, I know Tolkien is catholic and Frank Herbert found religious prophets dangerous.
The difference is that they wrote their worlds in a way so this made sense and was part of the story.
Here the authors are used to having short-tempered reactions to anyone not seeing their worldviews (like you), so they just shoved it into AoS without caring about what would make sense.
And it sticks out like a sore thumb, because they don't understand how the world works.
>>96141971
>but the people who shriek, and scream and cry and shit their pants everytime a woman or minority gets included in literally anything regardless of context are no better.
I won't argue against this completely.
It's just that people are so fatigued by these liberal theater-kids writing most of our entertainment media for the last 10 years.
So when you have a character like Bastion Carthalos vs Thalia, Bastion ends up looking worse because of how mad Thalia is. Even though he's a great implementation of a black character.

>>96142014
Yeah, nuance is lost on people these days. All the more reason not to escalate things further and work towards educating these poor souls instead

>>96142014
No I understand very well why the right has become radicalized, but my sympathy only goes so far. Genuinely I hate the radicals on both sides

>>96141895

>>96138496
Show me a source

>>96141971

>>96142067
NTA but in the original lore chorf women were property and kept in harems by the sorcerers.

>>96142082
Retard, it's more like:
>Men are evil
>Women are evil
>Both are good, actually

>>96141086
Just come back after a couple days, tourist shitposters will get bored and leave by then

Got gifted a CoS spearhead, which city do I pick ?
I usually make /mydudes/ their own thing but I thought I'd switch it up and go for an official scheme/background, especially since they give you a nice transfer sheet.

>>96142097
It's really not when you're deliberately ignoring the "why" part of what grates on people with the chicks and minority thing. It's done for purely performative reasons, adds nothing of value to the product itself and is actually detrimental since now you need to plan around accommodating possible gender options meaning you either have androgynous shit that doesn't satisfy anyone or given it's James male bodies will female heads that look stupid as fuck. Very few would complain if HoH got a female character/unit that was actually designed from the ground up to be that way, served a specific function and was implemented in a flavorful way.

>>96142152
I like the one on the bottom. Looks foresty

>>96142152
Tempest's Eye are /yourdudes/.

>>96142152
Greywater or Lethis

>>96142162
>Very few would complain if HoH got a female character/unit that was actually designed from the ground up to be that way, served a specific function and was implemented in a flavorful way.
You and I both know that's not true. You personally might not mind but a swarm of retarded monkeys throwing shit would appear regardless because brainless fanatics don't understand nuance regardless of their supposed idealogy.

>>96140826
Usually takes a couple weeks for /aosg/ to settle down after any reveal.

You have these, and you choose the fucking snake-butts?

>>96142152
Which one do you like? They all have something going for them.

>>96142165
>>96142171
>>96142205
>>96142333
Would say I'm leaning towards geeywater, lethis and misthavn

>>96142297
Hey there are harpies too, but a snake is fine.

>wojack posting
Hi Perry anon!

>>96142217
Eh, no one bitches about Bret Damsels, because they fit. You'd get the obvious shit posters and some spergs but it wouldn't be a full melt down. Femdorfs are supposed to be super rare and precious compared male dorfs if they had similar niche roles on the battlefield that reflected their place in society it would work fine. Priestesses, sorceresses, hell even something like a slave mistress unit champions could work given you could have slave management be part of the domestic femdorf side of chorf household.

>>96138506
Was.
Now Morathi has ascended she has territory outside of Ulgu too

>>96142351
if you want to play lethis, read up on the soul wars and all the 2nd edition storylines, they were heavily involved in there

>>96142217
But it would cut the complaining by 90%. Imagine if instead of adding random minorities and weird ugly women in the darkoath they released something like corvus cabal that was actually useable in tabletop and they all canonically had brown skin due to their ethnicity. It would be great.

>>96142384
>Femdorfs are supposed to be super rare and precious compared male dorfs if they had similar niche roles on the battlefield that reflected their place in society it would work fine.
That's not really a generally true role (and rule) for AoS though, given prevalence of them in KO. Granted I am sure it's the case for Fyreslayers and city dwarfs, but it's not like AoS Chorfs have to have same rules apply to them as Fantasy Chorfs. It's completely different cultures separated by 1000s of years.

>>96142384
People earlier were moaning that chaos dwarves can't have women soldiers or sorcerors because the men do that and men are better at doing that and all the women are just slaves. There's literally no place you could put them in the army without retarded people having the same spergout.

>>96142460
I haven't dug as "far" back as 2nd edition but just skimming lexicanum etc lethis is probably my favourite city fluffwise. The morrda stuff is pretty interesting. Oh, and their coat of arms is banging.

>>96142594
lethis was built over the tomb/prison of a dark entity later revealed to be katakros, which nagash sent lady olynder to free by besieging the city. the defenders were eventually able to repel the undead, but not before they freed katakros from his prison, the celestant prime and lady olynder had a big duel, it was one of the central plotlines of 2nd edition, and lethis was right at the heart of it. it also used to have a whole sub army set of rules called the lethesian defenders which allowed you to join the cities with several other forces to represent the defenders in the siege.

>>96142642
Man 2nd edition was truly pick AoS.

i'm thinkin i might just go full satanic scheme with the new chorfs.

>>96142661
Proper satanic would be red white and blue. No I won’t elaborate.

>>96142659
Have no fear, 5th will be another death edition and therefore a new golden age.

>>96142661
Am I allowed to complain that this guy doesn't look enough like a smith or engineer

>>96142661
Absolute kino.
I have a bit of a dilemma wanting to go black armors and beards too. It won't stand out enough unless it's different shades of black with color tints/highlights.
Your reddish brown beard there works nicely.

>>96142642
When mah ghost lady will be relevant in Lore again? And when NH will get something else besides pity heroes?

>>96142727
I would agree with this, but I suppose you just need magic to "hel-smith". Then again, seems like he's fucked if the war machines are physically busted beyond using demon glue to fix.

>>96142724
>TK
>Nostalgia for old Settra chad that never accomplished his dream but at least go back to ToW
I feel old, but unironically I think Kangz don’t fit this setting

>>96142727
the alternate dual kit build for him has a hammer, so you could probably build him in the sorcerer robes and hat but holding the other versions hammer if you want the smith look

>>96142733
I was betting on them getting a hex wraith replacement, but it's so strange they didn't get it now after black knights are replaced.

>>96142724
Considering that, with exception for Ossiarchs, Death as a GA is pretty much perfect after ghouls got updated, im genuinely convinced AoS team has them as favourites

>>96142724
HoH are the anti-chaos chaos faction, Settes returns and makes the anti-Nagash death faction?
Bit of an ass pull to return Settra convincingly, but I could see it being cool.
>New golden age
They would need to reintroduce customization to the armies for that.

>>96142748
>No true ghost hexwraith
>No new heavy ghostly infantry
>No big ghost monster
>Not even a new ectoplasmic chaff
Why are we in the same ship (no pun intended) as Idoneth, I would say NH should be more popular right?

>>96142727
He's a wizard, why would he look like a Smith or engineer. Also the original didn't look like an engineer or smith so if the new one did then you'd be mad about it

>>96142773
>anti-chaos chaos faction
thats what every chaos worshiper believes themselves to be

>>96142773
>Order undead
Nope, Undeads are Natasha and Natasha control all undeads

>>96142787
The other LoA one with the hammer and furnace backpack did

>>96140884
>Just remember that it would have been like this no matter what was shown on Friday
Nah, Skaven models were widely accepted despite shit posting. The dooming didn't come until rules dropped.

>>96142784
I feel like Nighthaunt suffer from all being very similar to each other. There's only so many ways you can render "spooky bedsheet ghost" in miniature form. They have a very uniform aesthetic and, at least to me, there's not many different ways of painting them. They were the first couple of boxes I painted, but I found them very boring after I finished a box of Chainrasps and Reikenor.

>>96142790
Nagash* Fucking corrector

>>96142784
because those releases are not about popularity, its about waiting until its your turn, now get back in line

>>96142742
I like these battle-scarred heads they've been doing in the new Chorf kits, not something I see too often on game models. Something I've really appreciated in Warmachine's elf faction too if you look at the Mage Hunters with burned faces, missing eyes/ears, etc.

>>96142826
I feel like squatting half the factions for TOW is actually a blessing for them, since they'll get new content for armies a lot fast despite being the least supported of the main 4.

>>96142809
But they could give the faction more variation if they tried I mean the ideas are there you can think of new “punishments” that Nagash could do against people to improve the factions options, he’ll even an ectoplasmic war machine like the old Ghostly ships were shouldn’t be something out of question.

Yet here we are with ANOTHER pity hero…

>>96142836
>They will get fastest content in ToW
What?

>>96142792
>durrr his hammer has an anvil on it obviously its a smith
You are mentally weak

>>96142852
He had a furnace on his back...

>>96142841
possessed armors is like the most obvious thing you can make, and its still nowhere to be seen

>>96142750
Death is pretty rad. Who doesn't love skeletons?
It would be cool to get a new Wight King on foot that's more customizable than the current one. I do love the current one but he's a but squat.

>>96142848
Each army will get new stuff quicker than AoS because there's only 10 total. Unlike the years wait for a lot minor AoS stuff

>>96142865
It would be a really good way to add an elite option to the hordes of ghosts. And you could get real creative with it. Something that just came to mind would be a soul furnace. A real big walking furnace that burns the souls of those who've pissed off Nagash one too many times as fuel. Could spew balefire from the furnace grate and have little spirits trying to escape from it.

>>96142920
If we stick to the punishment angle, it might be iron maiden device type thing. Its a bad photo, but the guy in the picture i attached previously is shaped like a walking genie lamp, which is pretty fitting for ghosts

>>96142865
>>96142920
Haunted armour is such an easy slam dunk I'm genuinely surprised they haven't done it yet. Asides from that there's a lot more that you can do with a ghostly faction that isn't just bedsheets (I mean I like bedsheets but some variety would be nice), but you gotta get a bit more creative. Maybe lean into the multiple limb thing NH already kinda got, have some big balls of ghosts melded together into a single monster, or something like the walking cages from dark souls 3, shit like that.

>>96142949
Who Nagash punishes can be pretty stupid though. Isn't one of the units made up of punished nurses and doctors whose only crime was extending peoples' lives?

>>96142971
>Haunted armour is such an easy slam dunk I'm genuinely surprised they haven't done it yet.
I feel like the answer might be GW thinks people like the bedsheets and straying too far from the bedsheets will be a turnoff.
You're not wrong that some Fromsoft body horror would be a good direction to go in to get bigger and meaner ghosts though.

>>96142971
They've already done possessed armor too, so it's not like they don't know how to render it in a plastic model. They could even include optional parts like ghost heads or arms in place of the helmet or pieces of the armor.

>>96142977
Nagash punishments aren’t something made for justice or duty or even law is just amusement for the asshole.

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>>96142787
>why should the demonSMITH in the army called helSMITHS of hashut look like a smith?

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>>96142297
I chose both

>>96139824
tow fags are so embarrassing holy shit.

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There are a couple of other things you could take in your hobgrot army. Swampboss Skumdrekk is a mounted Hobgrot hero that can buff your slittaz along with your slittabosses. Marshcrawla Sloggoths are technically being controlled by a group of hobgrots so you could just have a couple of warmachines to match your hobgrot slitta spam.