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Anonymous No.96191989 >>96192005 >>96192034 >>96197474 >>96197508 >>96197522 >>96199863 >>96200487 >>96200509 >>96200703 >>96200817 >>96202581 >>96212459 >>96213078 >>96213170 >>96218042 >>96218627 >>96218630 >>96219078 >>96221268 >>96222484 >>96226078 >>96245485 >>96255726 >>96259603 >>96265641 >>96267999
Cyberpunk Dystopia Thread
I'm going to be running a game of cyberpunk for my friends soon and I wanted to make it as much of a nightmarish corporate hellscape as possible. So news stories, ideas, and other inspiration for such a dystopia would be appreciated.
Anonymous No.96192005 >>96200903 >>96201050
>>96191989 (OP)
Is the robbery of individual autonomy the number one aspect of cyberpunk?
Or is it something else?
I know that cyberpunk dystopias are a cocktail mix of different horrors but what is the main ingredient?
Anonymous No.96192034 >>96192161
>>96191989 (OP)

Literally open the news.

That being said, are they gonna be part of the corps or the (usual) dredge of society?
Anonymous No.96192161
>>96192034
Dredges for now. If all goes well maybe they'll be contracted by an insurance corp to "repossess" assets from clients who've fallen behind on payments
Anonymous No.96192195 >>96200487
Anonymous No.96197474
>>96191989 (OP)
easy, take a lot of inspiration from The Matrix. let the world be super shitty and stuff, but allow moments where players pierce the veil and bare witness to an even more nightmare fuel inducing hellscape outside the shitty city
Anonymous No.96197508
>>96191989 (OP)
https://futurism.com/openai-investor-chatgpt-mental-health
An open AI investor became crazy because chat GPT start mimicking SCP writing style
Anonymous No.96197522 >>96198149 >>96200537
>>96191989 (OP)
My favorite is that we thought that AI would take over all of the drudge work so we could focus on creative and intellectual pursuits. Instead, it's taking over art and desk jobs while leaving janitorial work and construction to human hands.

And the more skilled the job, the more it makes sense to figure out how to use AI and/or robots to automate it.
Anonymous No.96198149 >>96200537
>>96197522
Butlerian Jihad when?
Anonymous No.96199863
>>96191989 (OP)
The flavor is less important than the mechanics here. You should carefully track how much PCs earn and spend, and plan to only give them just enough money to survive from baseline mission rewards. If they want to get better gear or advance, they have to get creative. Salvage, betraying clients, spree crimes you name it.
Anonymous No.96199906 >>96200746
Anonymous No.96200487 >>96210897
>>96191989 (OP)
>>96192195
Look up news articles about people being locked out of their smart houses because their Amazon account got suspended, lot's of stuff like that out there.
Anonymous No.96200509 >>96200606 >>96200662 >>96200677 >>96203129 >>96218615 >>96225393 >>96240184 >>96243486 >>96263527 >>96263816 >>96268016 >>96277109
>>96191989 (OP)
Most fictional cyberpunk is actually loaded with copium because the creators were retards who thought government was on their side, and so their idea of a "dystopia" was where the government went away or got extremely weak and corporations "took over".

In reality, the government is actually the muscle for corporations. It's why in cyberpunk settings you have people shooting up corpos and getting away with it. IRL the government steps in if you do that and there's no way to fight back against the corpos. The stronger the government, actually the better it is for corpos.

If you really want a dystopian cyberpunk setting make it one where government hasn't gone away and if the players try to use violence against the corpos then they get dogpiled with police officers or even the military.
Anonymous No.96200537
>>96197522
>>96198149
absolutely based ai btfo the artsy fartsy white collar type. Truly the ally of the thick pubed blue collar man.
Anonymous No.96200606
>>96200509
like what? most cyberpunk settings I can think of acknowledge this.

its the same thing as when ussr “committee members” just became out and out oligarchs after the soviet colapse. Rhere has never been a distinct seperation between private and public interest like ever.
Cyberpunk still has arasaka and militech continue to be big bad corpos after they have been “nationalized” by japan and the US respectively. Ghost in the shell has no compunction about government-private collusion either. Akira is all about government conspiracy too.

Cyberpunk has always been about centralization in industrial society, not necissarily corporate take over.
Anonymous No.96200662
>>96200509
Stuff like this is why I appreciate 90s and 2000s Cyberpunk a lot. Things like Ghost in the Shell or Transmetropolitan deal with government corruption, corporate espionage between different agencies, government censorship of media etc. more so than a lot of 80s cyberpunk did.
Anonymous No.96200677
>>96200509

I was thinking something similar about how in cyberpunk there's some meaningful underground movement and resistance to corpohomo but I don't think we're getting that IRL.
Anonymous No.96200703 >>96200964 >>96225797 >>96225844 >>96226410
>>96191989 (OP)
Peter Thiel’s Palantir and their ties to the Trump administration and mass surveillance.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/technology/trump-palantir-data-americans.html

Peter Thiel and Curtis Yarvin in general and their “dark enlightenment” and corporate feudalist plans is great fuel for a cyberpunk campaign, especially if you wanna include tensions between megacorps and the state in who has more control.

You can check that internet age restriction thing the UK is doing and that the EU and US is also trying to pull off in their own (the American version is a rare partisan bill between the democrats and republicans).
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/senate-bill/1748/text
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kids_Online_Safety_Act

Lots of good shit in the news to mine for content.
Anonymous No.96200746
>>96199906
That’s all bullshit but I’m one crisis away from making it my entire personality.
Anonymous No.96200764 >>96200820
And yet, Yarvin is also the founder of Urbit which is an attempt to make a decentralized internet. You got filtered by the satire, sir.
Anonymous No.96200817 >>96200964 >>96201273 >>96219638 >>96242243
>>96191989 (OP)

Published in early 90's
>Identical arrangements of franchises at highway stops
>Half the workers are couriers/deliverypeople
>Populace being brainwashed by memes
>Evil corporate guy brings in tons of South Asians and plans to lobotomize all the hackers because he resents that IT is the last way normal guys can become middle class
>Evangelicals gobbling up the mainline churches and mutating into a totally new religion
Anonymous No.96200820
>>96200764
Urbit is not only a joke but Yarvin as a computer scientist is kind of a hack. A decentralised internet doesn’t go against the dark enlightenment principles and the ideas of small corporate feudal city states ruled by CEOs. Even if he was satirical (he isn’t) it’s a great idea to mine for content.
Anonymous No.96200903 >>96213496
>>96192005
Alienation. The modern day reader should read it and feel estranged or disgusted while the characters act like its normal.
Anonymous No.96200964 >>96201004 >>96201040 >>96203255 >>96219275
>>96200703

If you want to go into that direction, we already have a POTUS that won in no small part thanks to memes.

Altough in cyberpunk they tend to be at least moderately funny.

>>96200817

Sad fact is, in today's mainstream musical environment rapping nips would be better than whatever we have.

At least the CIA isn't like that and we don't pay to experience better shitting. For now, I guess.
Anonymous No.96201004
>>96200964
"south asian" means indian and arab
Anonymous No.96201040 >>96203262
>>96200964
I mean, we pretty much do live in the dystopian cyberpunk future. It’s just that we got the boring one without neon and chrome.
Anonymous No.96201050 >>96203221
>>96192005
No, loss of individual autonomy is just a symptom of capitalism.
Anonymous No.96201196
The two biggest political factions of the ruling class are the Sado-Hedonic Party, who believe that taking pleasure in the suffering of lesser being is essential to human fulfillment and the Optimizationist Economic Action Group who believe such compulsions get in the way of pure profit. In practice, the only difference is whether or not they turn off their "employees" (read: slaves) ability to feel pain while their neuralink implants force them to work nonstop until they die.
Anonymous No.96201273
>>96200817
>constant fluxuation of various coins that economics become impossible
>The Mega Church operates on 'Real money', and that is so rare even Hiro is surprised.
>people live in storage units and share to afford rent.
Anonymous No.96202340 >>96219118
Anonymous No.96202581 >>96203235 >>96267053
>>96191989 (OP)
>load gun
"Warning, use of unauthorized and/or third party magazines in this firearm is a violation of the end user license agreement."
Anonymous No.96203129 >>96275505
>>96200509
>the government is actually the muscle for corporations
How could you start your post so intelligently and then go full retard, it's the other way around.
Anonymous No.96203207 >>96203247
>housing is used purely for investments, trading and speculation
>"cities" are just endless fields of empty concrete cubes where nobody actually gets to live
>richfags live in the luxurious high tech megamansions floating in the orbit
>poorfags live in sewers below the aforementioned "cities"
>underhumans were modified and their stomachs have bacteria capable of breaking down plastic
>underhuman diet consists of plastic, styrofoam and other synthetic waste
>the concept of planned obsolescence has been applied to humanity - underhumans grow up much quicker (1 year old underhuman is like an adult human) and die after a decade
>if you work hard and gather enough currency you get an injection which prolongs your lifespan a year or two
>if you misbehave and break the law you get an injection which shortens your lifespan
>you're an underhuman scav
>objective: survive for as long as you can
Anonymous No.96203221
>>96201050
Anonymous No.96203235
>>96202581
Some corpo actually wins in court that the EULA trumps actual laws.
>Race to hell begins
>Race gets aborted when outside anarachists start hanging everyone at board-level and up
>Race restarts when anarachists take over as "Consultants" for the now headless Corpos
Anonymous No.96203247 >>96203275
>>96203207
That's too much, it's more hard-core dystopia than cyberpunk, which allows rebellion and optimism around the edges.
Anonymous No.96203255
>>96200964
>you want to go into that direction, we already have a POTUS that won in no small part thanks to memes

Snowcrash memes are memes in the original sense - ideas that propagate themselves, riffing off the "Selfish Gene" idea that views evolution through the lens of individual genes being selected for/against.
Anonymous No.96203262 >>96214122
>>96201040
>It’s just that we got the boring one without neon and chrome.

>apple store, times square, Vegas, and akihabara intensifies
Anonymous No.96203275
>>96203247
Well, OP did say
>make it as much of a nightmarish corporate hellscape as possible
Anonymous No.96203300
>consumer base gets progressively priced out of the corporation's product
>first shifting to whales, then shrinking ever more until even the rich can't afford to consume
>at the end, entire industries function for a singular market, the only man in the world who can afford it
>but the marketing continues to heighten the prestige
Anonymous No.96203371 >>96210866 >>96210880 >>96210916 >>96220989 >>96240215 >>96262615 >>96263230
I've noticed 2 nightmarish innovations in cyberpunk recently:
People who are so religiously attached to corporations that they want to reform society to be even more exploitative.
>underground, violent revolutionary groups want to upend the current social order to increase corporate control, lower wages and remove consumer protections
>"Ever since businesses were forced to emancipate themselves from labor, no one in my life has been able to keep a job. If there wasn't so much red tape enforcing destructively high standards we'd be allowed to finally prove our value to the economy and live a healthy life.

And the second one is tech CEOs going full tilt for a decade to develop some new product, then retiring as a billionaire and saying
>I've made the most oppressive machine/business/app imaginable.... we have to stop it!
Which I think is indicative of "leaders" really just being employees/slaves of a bureaucracy with simple directives of "increase revenue" "decrease overheads" "number go up". Basically the organisation as a paperclip-problem-AI, except made out of humans, that forces even the supposedly powerful members to act against their own interest but instead in the interest of the rules of the organisation

>CEO needs profits to go up to appease board of directors
>CEO is told by board to fire hundreds of thousands of employees to reduce overheads whilst assuming the same revenues = profit and efficiency
>CEO resists this because it will tank revenue
>is replaced, new CEO fires employees and tanks revenue
>Company is bankrupted, assets sold
>New CEO is sold
>Old CEO tracks down board of directors
>they're all AIs that have subsequently been shut down and sold
>Who implemented the AI-directors?
>The original board members, trying to maximise profits
>Where are the OG board members?
>Fired. They weren't maximising profits
>ex-CEO is then murdered by disgruntled ex-worker, who is executed for murder
Anonymous No.96210866
>>96203371
>If there wasn't so much red tape enforcing destructively high standards
This is a really great one. The sentiment already exists on both corporate and some rare labor sides, and I could really see it take off if we see a big step up in unemployment.

As for the other, that's the funny thing about all this AI discourse. In some sense non-human intelligent(very loosely, please don't sperg out over definitions) agents already exist and already broke containment. I don't really know when, but it was sometime between the industrial revolution and 2000. Our goal-oriented systems are so large, complex, and distributed they really can't really be controlled in the sense we traditionally imagine.
Anonymous No.96210880
>>96203371
I hate every part of this. Well done!
OP No.96210897
>>96200487
They deserve it.
Anonymous No.96210916 >>96220989
>>96203371
the idea of shareholders, the dudes mostly responsible for the excesses of modern corporations, getting replaced by an AI who is basically a paperclip maximizer but for profits is both ironic and depressing.
Anonymous No.96212459 >>96213316 >>96213380 >>96217704 >>96240791 >>96241972
>>96191989 (OP)
Just some of my recent favorites
>hello fresh facing legal charges for using illegal monkey labor for picking fruits/vegitables
>Las Vegas hotel hacked and shut down for a week due to Bluetooth thermostat hack
>US Supreme Court rules that boneless chicken wings is not a guarantee of lack of bones
>any story framed as a positive feel-good story where a YouTube prankster gets bodied or even shot (everyone is happy)

CP2020's 3rd party publishers had some really good dark humor stories that captured the lore well. In Night City Stories there is a news article where some old sod tried to slit his wrists but forgot to cancel his Trauma Team sub. TT showed up, revived him, and since he was their 30 millionth client served he was rewarded with a one-of-a-kind branded Trauma Team set of steak knives.
Anonymous No.96212860 >>96212868 >>96236165
Massive unemployment, everyone lives in shitty rental hovels, everyone fighting over one another for menial labor tasks that can't be delegated to AI.

But entertainment and fast food is cheap enough that no one really does anything about it.
Anonymous No.96212868 >>96212878
>>96212860
Anonymous No.96212878 >>96213201
>>96212868
Staffed by one overworked employee paid minimum wage.
Anonymous No.96213078
>>96191989 (OP)
Oh man, I have a bunch
Anonymous No.96213170 >>96215892 >>96218369
>>96191989 (OP)

So um, who is supposed to buy all these retarded products if no one has a decent job?

It's like cultures where people abort baby girls and then get surprised there are millions of bachelors destined to die alone.
Anonymous No.96213201
>>96212878

Tangentially related but a lot of these places don't even feel safe to eat anymore. They've just cut back on the ingredients so much, the restaurants are visibly dirty, and they're always staffed by 1-2 dudes who look like 28 Days Later extras. And my coworkers and people on our city subreddit keep getting sick from it and complain about it but ultimately won't eat anything else.
Anonymous No.96213316 >>96240879
>>96212459
>>US Supreme Court rules that boneless chicken wings is not a guarantee of lack of bones
I think that was the Ohio Supreme Court, not the national one.
Anonymous No.96213380 >>96226788
>>96212459
The suicide story, reminded me of a story a patient told me when he called a suicide hotline.
He was put on hold and had to listen to some random poor quality happy tune. The situation was so absurd that he started laughing and all the suicidal thought vanish.
Anonymous No.96213496
>>96200903
For sue, this is the key thing.
Anonymous No.96214122 >>96215900 >>96263863
>>96203262
>times square, Vegas, and akihabara intensifies
It's a shame that everywhere else has cut back on the trend. Pic related is Montreal.
Anonymous No.96215892 >>96218369
>>96213170
>So um, who is supposed to buy all these retarded products if no one has a decent job?

That's a very good question. The answer is that products and services will increasingly cater to the small number of ultra-rich. This is already how many games work.
Anonymous No.96215900 >>96222622 >>96263863
>>96214122
I like the new one much better, but I appreciate why you might not.
Anonymous No.96217704
>>96212459
>>any story framed as a positive feel-good story where a YouTube prankster gets bodied or even shot (everyone is happy)
I don't understand anon, why would you not be happy over that?
Anonymous No.96218042 >>96268139 >>96272646 >>96276681
>>96191989 (OP)
The most nightmarish I saw was how income is handled in the fan-made Hunter//Seeker RPG.
Essentially you don't get paid. You take a job which has a contract with a certain number of years for a certain remittance (say, a 10 year contract paying $2000 a month). The catch is you don't get any money until the contract is completed. So you have to go to a credit union and take a loan out against your contract of employment. Now you have money to live, but you better be fucking steady on the spreadsheet cause you're not actually seeing REAL money until that contract is done, meanwhile you're racking up interest and debt the whole time.
Anonymous No.96218369
>>96213170
>>96215892
>small number of ultra rich
Some of who will be philanthropists!
By deploying private armies of automated consumer-bots, the kindly lords will be able to prop up demand in such a way as to allow certain mass consumer markets to remain efficient, profitable, and therefore available for plebs. All without any sacrifice to GDP!
See? The system works.
Anonymous No.96218615 >>96219124
>>96200509
>In reality, the government is actually the muscle for corporations.
Always has been
Everyone keeps going on about the Pinkertons during the Coal Wars but in the end it was always the state that bailed out the mine owners
Anonymous No.96218627
>>96191989 (OP)
Let's be honest take shit going on now and add neon lights, random cyberware and slang.
Anonymous No.96218630
>>96191989 (OP)
Let's be honest take shit going on now and add neon lights, random cyberware and some future slang.
Anonymous No.96219078
>>96191989 (OP)
Let's be honest take shit going on now and add neon lights, random cyberware, some future slang, and infinite browns.
Anonymous No.96219118 >>96267053
>>96202340
I never understood why there’s a new text document on him unless that’s part of the joke?
Anonymous No.96219124
>>96218615
This is why anarchism is the only solution.
Anonymous No.96219275 >>96222550
>>96200964
>we already have a POTUS that won in no small part thanks to memes.
We have multiple. Memes helped Obama as well. I'm sure television helped a lot of candidates when that was the hot new thing. Radio before that. Newspapers. Internet and memes are just a new form of communication people use. I remember when our current president was a young politician way back in the day and people made some memes about his goofy ass face (some of which even he shared around).
Anonymous No.96219638 >>96220104
>>96200817
I found Snow Crash kind of boring because it really is just what we have now, but turned up to 11 for entertainment
Visionary, sure, but not great reading
Anonymous No.96220104 >>96222550 >>96233030
>>96219638

It's definitely a rough work in a lot of ways. Some big expo dumps, a coomer-y and overly long sex scene involving the courier girl and one of the villains, overly-perfect main hero, and an ending that felt super rushed. I managed to get through it but wish I'd read it 20 years ago instead.
Anonymous No.96220304 >>96226523
Anonymous No.96220989 >>96222098 >>96223629
>>96203371
>>96210916
https://www.nosetgauge.com/p/a-disneyland-without-children
Anonymous No.96221268
>>96191989 (OP)
I'm also writing a cyberpunk campaign setting for my friends. I'm working on a story like Mercury Rising, a young kid is an innate expert codebreaker. Being an extreme liability/asset the corps want them badly the party ends up in the position to protect the kid and get them to the underground.
Another is some sort of cannonball run or deathrace scenario, low rules and high prizes.
You could do something high zoot like art museum heist that puts a giant target on your back because it was from the personal collection of (BBEG) who has loads of influence, cronies, and personal security. Maybe he "likes your style" and gets the party to work for him. Then sets them up to take the fall for a "terrorist attack"
Anonymous No.96222098
>>96220989
Thanks for the tip. I really enjoyed that story.
Anonymous No.96222484
>>96191989 (OP)

Kind of a nice short cyberpunk but without implants etc novel where Nike hires people to kill people for their shoes as a form of viral marketing.
Anonymous No.96222550 >>96222659
>>96219275
Meant a certain kind of memes, I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.

>>96220104

I really liked the expo dumps. More than the fights, actually. To be fair I read Hiro as more as blank/tongue in cheek thing than a serious one.
Anonymous No.96222622 >>96222676
>>96215900
Not only that but the picture is from winter. Check current ones. Green trees, a lot of pedestrians, cars and bikers. Looks great.
Anonymous No.96222659
>>96222550
Anonymous No.96222676
>>96222622
both look like shit. you're a worm.
Anonymous No.96223629
>>96220989
Thanks for that. No lesson will be learned.
Anonymous No.96223759 >>96223934 >>96239670
>America, 2035
>I involuntary get out of bed as my smartmed™ injects my Meds into my bloodstream
>My Amazon™ Alexa™ Homepod™ is broken per a failed update, I am late for breakfast
>As accrid dust from the sandstorms fill my lungs I croak "Cortana, what is the forecast for today?"
>Cortana tells me that the drought will continue despite UN-NATO climate modification operations
>Go to Starbuck™ feeding area, order some McDonalds™ maggot cubes from the vending machine, pay $€1200 for 250ml of Nestlé™ springs™ nutriti water plus tip
>Pay $€12,000 to book my bed for tonight in the smartpod™
>As I finish my cubes, I hear dock Tesla™ CoPod to Mixed Building No. 2938
>Scan my vaccination tattoo, and rent my workspace for the day ($€7550) to board the bus
>rent my Zoom™ VR headset license for the day $€4120
>Attend my mandatory company zoom meeting over VR, if I don't pay attention I can't get the code to leave clock out tonight
>disembark the bus directly into my massive "open source workspace" full of people working for different employers
>rent my Zoom™ VR workspace NFT, I am now working in virtual office
>An dull alarm gets let me know it's lunch time, the UN™ sustenance tube dispenses Amazon™ paste™ directly into my mouth
>My shift is outbid, leave
>See a guy sitting outside of the office
>must be a white supremacist, probably Russian Hypno agent. I rush back and call the Microsoft™ Protection Team who promptly drone strike him and the bench
>Scan my retina, blood samples, and take mandatory COVID-30™ vaccination shot to unlock Airbnb™ living pod
>friend lends a LaundryPass™ to Nikelean™ myself
>Report her to the Airbnb™ DHS officer from PodLife™ for terrorism
>Watch hundreds of 5 second video clips on tiktok™
>It's Nikebed™ time, Google™ neural implant puts me into the legal minimum definition of Nikesleep™
>Dreams and adverts of our free and fair democracy and global citizenship envelope my unconscious
Anonymous No.96223934
>>96223759
Not sure if you are making fun of europe or california.
Anonymous No.96225393 >>96225413 >>96244132 >>96244344
>>96200509
>If you really want a dystopian cyberpunk setting make it one where government hasn't gone away and if the players try to use violence against the corpos then they get dogpiled with police officers or even the military.
Another bad thing could be that the military isn't meant for defending a nation but enriching a military industrial complex. That means that soldiers that actually kill a nations enemies are at risk of life imprisonment.
Anonymous No.96225413
>>96225335
>>96225380
>>96225393
I think your spellchecker needs an update
Anonymous No.96225433
Characterizing Uncle Ted as being against technology is leftist slander. What Uncle Ted was against is modern industrial society and the social and psychological effects that it causes. To give a theoretical example of an industrial society that works, look at the Based Skaven. They have creations that would make us seem primitive but are also incapable of any form of leftist thought (as each one is incapable of feelings of inferiority), all success and advancement is demanded to be built on a foundation of pulling oneself by their bootstraps and each one lives an authentic existence free of any surrogate activities.
Anonymous No.96225495
>>96225493
This but unironically.
Anonymous No.96225569
Anonymous No.96225797 >>96225845 >>96226410
>>96200703
Or before that when social media actively colluded to put Biden in office. Tech oligarchs are pulling the strings in a lot of ways. Trying to use legacy parties for their own ends.

They may have superficially different agendas, but it's all kabuki raw power and blatant control are the ends. One results in anarcho tyranny, the other a more traditional surveillance state. The difference is more in mechanisms of control.

Yarvin strikes me as kind of dumb in some ways if I'm honest. Maybe not intellectually deficient, but certainly lacking any grounding in the real world.
Anonymous No.96225844 >>96259595 >>96260424 >>96291035
>>96200703
Why is every single ideology right now laser focused on making us work 12 hours a day.
For what retarded reason is this the one thing they all care about.
I’m moving to france
Anonymous No.96225845 >>96233799 >>96233865 >>96239670
>>96225797
The deep state glowies methods are not to convince but to infiltrated the moderation of platforms and censor opposing views. They are still seething that Elon won't allow it after he bought and reformed X.
Anonymous No.96226078 >>96226108 >>96226288 >>96233835 >>96263289
>>96191989 (OP)
The biggest mistake I see across all cyberpunk hellscapes is that they give players too many ways to directly escape or work opposed to the system. They turn you into adventurers and heroes more than they allow you to scrape by as a cog in the machine. The way I do it is by making sure my players are absolutely caught up in the system. Everything is tracking them. Everything is sharing data. Everything is strictly designed to keep them distracted enough to not complain and function as a consumer.

They never have enough of anything. They never make enough money to get out or make it into a wealthier social class. They never have enough time to work on all the things they want. They never quite have the resources they need or want.

And when they notice the entire world is keeping them down, that's when I give them opportunities to get a glimpse behind the Veil. Illegal activities, deadlier gigs, and secrets that hint at larger conspiracies. One of my groups eventually found out that all the megacorps are run by AI quite literally only designed to maximize profits and at some point the last board members were suddenly gone and replaced by more efficient algorithms. The stock market is just bots playing each other and the corporations everyone thinks are ruling them are actually just programs without a real interest or goal for mankind at large. Figuring out these central adversaries and conflicts are utterly hopeless and lost to begin with make for the bleakest dystopias. You're not gonna change anything. Nobody will.
Anonymous No.96226108
>>96226078
Cool
Anonymous No.96226288
>>96226078
This is literally just Metal Gear Solid 2 and 4
Anonymous No.96226410 >>96226550
>>96200703
>>96225797
>Yarvin
I haven't read him exhaustively, but he seems laser focused on persuasion rather than doing any hard hitting philosophy. I also despise the asides that spell out how he could like, totally be an unreliable narrator you guys, teehee~. Look how self aware he is!
It's as if Yarvin has an edgy fanfiction in his head about how the world should be and what his place in it is, and he's just gone all in on selling that vision to whoever will listen. I think that's why he comes across as a little retarded. He's a smart guy playing silly games of flattery and spin for their own sake.
To a certain extent, they seem to be working.
Anonymous No.96226523
>>96220304
Has Marshal Menace ever been on the divegrass team?
Anonymous No.96226550 >>96233807
>>96226410
That's a fair point. People like him just strike me as apologists rather than philosophers, maybe that's why.

Frankly, he'd be a good character in a cyberpunk story. Packaging trends into a consumable justification for the plebs.

That being said, he has done some good work and none of this should be construed as a hate post.
Anonymous No.96226788 >>96263317
>>96213380
>when he called a suicide hotline.
>He was put on hold and had to listen to some random poor quality happy tune. The situation was so absurd that he started laughing and all the suicidal thought vanish.
This unironically happened to me back in January. I called The Samaritans twice, engaged both times. I felt like I was losing my mind and nothing felt real after that, but I did have a good laugh about it at least.
Anonymous No.96232933
Anonymous No.96233030
>>96220104
Kim would be pretty aesthetic if he just dropped a few kilos.
Anonymous No.96233799 >>96239670 >>96269310
>>96225845
Are we still pulling the thing where Elon is some based free speech mastrermind and not another tech oligarch who's interests align with changing legislation to benefit him and his companies and erode workers rights?
Anonymous No.96233807 >>96270500
>>96226550
>he has done some good work
Such as?
Anonymous No.96233835
>>96226078
Cool but nobody wants to play cyberpunk except no fun at all
I mean what you have is the lesson behind all OG cyberpunk like the Sprawl trilogy, but at least the MCs get to do something in those books.
Anonymous No.96233865 >>96233878
>>96225845
amaIng how swarthoids get terrified when an african man rises his arm a specific way
Anonymous No.96233878
>>96233865
You know that context matters here anon.
Anonymous No.96236165
>>96212860
hey, thats just real life but the entertainment and fast food isn't cheap!
Anonymous No.96237354 >>96239449
Working on my new character concept inspired by the kerfuffel on reddit.

Its a Mall Cop Lawman who's foot rotted off from a corpo-virus (or so he says). He flies around in a hoverchair and has a replica gun from his favorite Sci-Fi fantasy. He's mad he can't join Militech due to his missing foot and deport migrants, so he's a massive control freak at work and in Elflines.

At night he logs in to Elflines online, where he sock-puppets multiple accounts who all roleplay with each other pretending they aren't the same person.

What do you all think? Dark Future enough?
Anonymous No.96239449 >>96243773
>>96237354
>the kerfuffel on reddit
I don't pay attention to that shithole, what happened?

>and deport migrants
The correct word is 'illegals' anon.
Anonymous No.96239670 >>96241492 >>96241776 >>96242082
>>96223759
do you know what nestle did with water

>>96225845
>>96233799
britfag here - Elon is not your friend; the OSA? He could've quite easily mounted a legal challenge in the High Court. He hasn't.

He is more than happy to take yer kids' ID and censor shit; the OSA gives him not just encouragement but COVER with their online harms bullshit, even if it wasn't intended. Elon is not on the side of free speech he can't make money off, and anyone who believes that he is, is sorely mistaken.

Including left wingers who oppose free speech because they tthink Elon wants it.

Peter Kyle, you stupid cunt, I'm looking at you. You think a big corpo fuck like that, espcially one you call far right, cares about free speech? When ever in history have the far right been about free speech?

I hate it when horseshoe theory occurs and people agree mindlessly with the people they hate.
Anonymous No.96240184 >>96240827
>>96200509
>Most fictional cyberpunk is actually loaded with copium because the creators were retards who thought government was on their side, and so their idea of a "dystopia" was where the government went away or got extremely weak and corporations "took over".
You forget entirely that the corporations themselves are practically just the goverment at this point. Especially in like Cyberpunk 2077.
Anonymous No.96240215 >>96240846 >>96240847
>>96203371
>that greentext
I hate knowing that I will probably live to see bullshit like that.
God help us.
Anonymous No.96240791 >>96240922 >>96241972 >>96243990
>>96212459

>US Supreme Court rules that boneless chicken wings is not a guarantee of lack of bones

SCOTUS ruled that there was nothing wrong with Amazon holding workers after their shifts for a half hour long security check without paying them. And this was 10 years ago, before it was totally stuffed with Trump people.

At this point maybe they shouldn't even go through the motions. Just rubber-stamp whatever corporations want.
Anonymous No.96240827
>>96240184
>corporations themselves are practically just the government at this point
Truth is, there was never a clear distinction between financial entities and governments.
Them pretending otherwise just grew more and more expensive to this point.
The game was rigged from the start.
Anonymous No.96240846 >>96268317
>>96240215
It's gonna get hilarious when AI starts being able to effectively replace middle and upper management and corporate structures are going to start fighting their boards.
Anonymous No.96240847 >>96267053
>>96240215
Embrace absurdity, laugh at the clown world.
Play tabletops, cope with escapism fantasy.
Mercy-kill yourself once it no longer works.

World is fucked anyway, may as well find a way to enjoy what time you have.
Anonymous No.96240879
>>96213316
Don't try to bring facts and logic into this heated, emotional argument about why US is the worst country in the world.
Anonymous No.96240922 >>96241119
>>96240791
It wasn't SCOTUS, it was the Ohio Supreme Court and the ruling was that the restaurant wasn't negligent for a piece of bone found within a boneless wing and that the word "boneless" was neither guarantee nor warranty, noting that "boneless wings" is the name of a dish, noting that they're not wings either.
Anonymous No.96241119
>>96240922
It wasn't even that. To quote one of the judges:
>"A diner reading ‘boneless wings’ on a menu would no more believe that the restaurant was warranting the absence of bones in the items than believe that the items were made from chicken wings, just as a person eating ‘chicken fingers’ would know that he had not been served fingers."
>"The food item's label on the menu described a cooking style; it was not a guarantee"
Anonymous No.96241419 >>96243638
if you need irl inspiration just look at whats going on in china
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmOmoe9SPi0&t=1714s
Anonymous No.96241492 >>96241763
>>96239670
>When ever in history have the far right been about free speech?

Anon, its 2025, (actual) liberalism is a radical right wing position and you will get called a fascist by progressives for supporting free speech.
Anonymous No.96241763
>>96241492
Just look at what infiltrators have been doing to 4chan, particularly /k/.
Anonymous No.96241776 >>96241951
>>96239670
I really like the poetic irony of people complaining that X will not engage in political censorship getting censored on X. Be careful what you wish for.
Anonymous No.96241951 >>96241963 >>96241994 >>96242082
>>96241776
Posting a fake screenshot while yapping about censorship is a different kind of irony.
I've been on Elon's shitty ragebait site, and the one thing I'll give it is that it won't censor you if you don't:
1. Make death/suicide threats
2. Don't post prog wrongthink words
3. Don't piss off the ADL
And that's it. The next best places on the internet for free speech are niche forums being hosted out of Serbia that have 11 users, or private chats you aren't allowed into because you're too autistic.
Anonymous No.96241963 >>96242070
>>96241951
>3. Don't piss off the ADL
Anonymous No.96241972
>>96240791
>>96212459
>Mix of half-truths and outright lies.
'Bout the usual round these parts I see.
Anonymous No.96241994 >>96242021 >>96242040 >>96242070 >>96242118 >>96243800
>>96241951
4chan was once the best place on the internet for free speech. Then the leftoids infiltrated the moderation.
Anonymous No.96242021 >>96242100
>>96241994
4chan was never great and moderation was always shit.
Anonymous No.96242040 >>96242100
>>96241994
7chan still exists and is actively superior to NIGGERTITS. The /tg/ board is very slow but if you migrate there, it won't be.
Anonymous No.96242070 >>96242100 >>96242108
>>96241963
Have a small account.
That's it really. I've had arguments with people who denied the hall of costs and they didn't get banned yet. I did get a 1-day for telling someone to get raped and kill themselves though.

As we settle into a corporate feudalism, I just hope it becomes more obvious as to who has their hands on the levers of power. When their power has started to wane (maybe around the time my great grandchildren are all grown up if I'm lucky) they and the rest of the lower classes will be able to cajole and "bargain" their way into a few choice freedoms.
But until then, as long as you know who has the Emperor's ear, you can get away with some mischief. Been that way since the dawn of history.

>>96241994
I don't know or care much about the specifics but yeah they're almost everywhere outside of the truly niche or truly banned places, and if they aren't infiltrated they're always watching just in case it's of interest to someone important.
I think part of the reason this isn't more widely accepted is because people imagine feds are a network of shady guys in black suits, watching individual users instead of just outsourced third world labor, sitting in a grimy office browsing sites they're supposed to monitor and astroturf.
Or how some of them are just autists that get paid to be annoying and disruptive.
Anonymous No.96242082 >>96242100 >>96242125 >>96242144
>>96239670
>He is more than happy to take yer kids' ID and censor shit; the OSA gives him not just encouragement but COVER with their online harms bullshit, even if it wasn't intended. Elon is not on the side of free speech he can't make money off, and anyone who believes that he is, is sorely mistaken.
And this is the crux of the issue here. The big tech conglomerates love these pieces of legislation (and probably has some hand in lobbying for them since both the EU and the US are working on their own versions) because it forces people to register on their site and provide an ID. Xitter doesn't exist out of the goodness of Elon's heart, it's there to datamine you like every other big tech social media site does. This is the reason why all the big tech social media sites now forces you to register to view their content, sometimes giving letting you view one page before popping up the mandatory registration plate.
>>96241951
You really know how far 4chan have fallen when retards like anon here suddenly think social media is great because he can post the Austrian painter and be based or whatever. Big tech is not your friend, social media ruined the internet, Elon is just duping faggots like you into accepting big tech social media full spectrum dominance because you're sheep who follows the heard if the heard is "based" enough.

The end goal isn't even going to be mandatory age checks, it's going to be locking down the internet and turning it into cable TV where you only have access to FCC-approved websites that you buy as a package from your ISP, all of which will be big tech megacorp sites.
Anonymous No.96242100 >>96242125 >>96244446
>>96242021
>>96242082
>4chan was never great
I disagree. You probably think so because you're a certain type of poster, the type who wants to make 4chan more like his home site.
>moderation was always shit
4chan was great in spite of its moderation, though as the sharty has proven, the moderation has only gotten worse over time.
>>96242040
>The /tg/ board is very slow but if you migrate there, it won't be.
Or I could stay here, continue to resist your censorship and continue to trigger you until you join the 41%.
>>96242070
>denied the hall of costs and they didn't get banned yet
Based. The noses myth they use for power is failing. Also, Donald Trump is smashing the Deep State to pieces.
Anonymous No.96242108 >>96242192
>>96242070
Government doesn't need to send out agents when there's plenty of people ready to snitch. That's how it has always worked.
Anonymous No.96242118 >>96263060
>>96241994
10.0.0.19 is a private IP-adress, they're not exlusive to ARPANET and haven't been for a long while. Anyone can use a private IP-adress. Are you retarded?
Anonymous No.96242125 >>96242143
>>96242100
Hey anon, >>96242082 here. Why are you quoting this:
>>4chan was never great
>I disagree. You probably think so because you're a certain type of poster, the type who wants to make 4chan more like his home site.
>>moderation was always shit
>4chan was great in spite of its moderation, though as the sharty has proven, the moderation has only gotten worse over time.
This has nothing to do with what I say? Do you have trouble reading?
Anonymous No.96242143 >>96242172
>>96242125
Because of all your Democrat talking points.
Anonymous No.96242144 >>96242169 >>96242188
>>96242082
>You really know how far 4chan have fallen when retards like anon here suddenly think social media is great
You really know how far this website has fallen when retards like you can't go 10 words without butchering the English language like its a lost cat in beijing.

Social media isn't "great". Nowhere in my post do I describe it as such, and only a moron would take me denigrating it as having one upside: That you can get away with saying unpopular things, as praise for it being great.
But this place frankly is much worse. It's censorious, just in worse ways, infested with even more bots and feds, and too many retards to sort out.
At this point ID-less boards border on unusable for anything except ragebaiting.

So, do I care if nutwitter is just going to slide downhill from where it's at? Do I care if Thiel and Elon and all the other homosexuals masquerading as techbros are readying to up the dystopia levels? Not really, because there aren't better alternatives to the trash heap it is that I don't already use, and not using it won't change anything except deprive me of another source of entertainment.
Anonymous No.96242169
>>96242144
Anonymous No.96242172 >>96242189
>>96242143
Anonymous No.96242188 >>96242192 >>96243657
>>96242144
Sorry anon, I speak the Queens English, also known as real English.
Anonymous No.96242189 >>96242195
>>96242172
Anonymous No.96242192 >>96242203 >>96242259
>>96242108
Snitching has little to do with what I'm talking about. I'm talking about narratives, discussions, people trying to communicate and connect. Communication between citizens is dangerous for a government. It means we can voice dissent, it means we can amplify our failings of displeasure, it means we could spur eachother on to take actions that in some way are against the governments interests. I don't even mean going Uncle Ted or such either even, I refer to even small acts of rebellion like boycotting the latest propaganda or pacifying slop.

Most feddies on the internet are just there to astroturf and control narratives. They mostly look like slobs and sit hunched over their computers trying to repeat lines they're told to repeat and push a narrative in X direction. And its easy these days to amplify a small but dedicated group of posters through approved botting and algorithm overrides. Take some faggot on X or some shitty youtuber and give him a billion uplikes, shoot him to everyone's recommendations and "for you" page, and suddenly they go viral and suddenly a lot of attention goes to them.

It's so easy that companies do it just to promote their latest products to consoom.

>>96242188
No you don't, niggerfaggot.
Anonymous No.96242195
>>96242189
Anonymous No.96242203
>>96242192
>No you don't, niggerfaggot.
The trick, Mr. Anon, is not proofreading your posts.
Anonymous No.96242243
>>96200817
Man I hated this book. I read it for a friend. I never had to put down a book and walk away for a bit because the prose was so bad before.
Anonymous No.96242259 >>96242323
>>96242192
Deep state glowies are worse than any other. A shill will at least argue, someone is making an argument even if it isn't their own. The deep states method is instead to infiltrate the moderation of locations and then censor opposing views.
Anonymous No.96242323 >>96243303
>>96242259
>Deep state glowies are worse than any other. A shill will at least argue, someone is making an argument even if it isn't their own. The deep states method is instead to infiltrate the moderation of locations and then censor opposing views.
Anonymous No.96243303
>>96242323
I don't know why but what really upsets me is that they picked "Palantir" as the name for their bullshit.
Anonymous No.96243377 >>96245240
One intriguing setting element that I remember reading about years ago but can't find the source for now - people who grew up speaking through 'universal translators', and now they only speak a completely unique idiolect of their own, and can only communicate using the universal translator they've trained up since birth.

This means they're completely reliant on technology to speak or understand what people are saying, and they might lose this forever if they can't afford the subscription for the universal translator, or if they get hacked or EMPed or something. They'd need to train up an entirely new universal translator or learn to speak from almost nothing.

I thought it was called 'nolang' from an early version of Eclipse Phase but I can't find it in the search engine. It was a disadvantage IIRC but it could have had some kind of bonus associated I don't remember.
Anonymous No.96243486
>>96200509
Correct for the wrong reason.
Corporations love “strong” decisive government because said governments are heavily inclined towards corporate favoritism and general exploitation.
Big corporations are inherently pro-fascist for this reason. They want to suck off the teet of a government that isn’t afraid of sending people to labour camps
Anonymous No.96243638
>>96241419
Hong Kong and Singapore have always been cyberpunk staples, it's good to see the Mainland getting in on it.
Anonymous No.96243657 >>96243681
>>96242188
Isn't it supposed to be the King's English now?
Anonymous No.96243681
>>96243657
The King sucks, the Queen shall reign eternal on her golden throne.
Anonymous No.96243773
>>96239449
Head mod for Cyberpunk went full schizoid off his meds, and it turns out his foot is rotting off. Some digging shows he's a wannabe ICE faggot which is pathetic enough, but he works as a mall cop with a star wars gun.

Also he sockpuppets a couple of the top posters, its all pretty pathetic. And "illegals" is a faggy term only feds use.
Anonymous No.96243800 >>96243944 >>96244390
>>96241994
>>Free Speech
>>Originally a weeaboo anime board that got bought out by a giant right wing Japanese conglomo

Keep huffing that copium, real oldfags remember when they brought in all the fucking Jap rightoid mods and jannies and basically fucking let /pol/ run rampant and ruin the site.
Anonymous No.96243944 >>96244022 >>96244270
>>96243800
The sharty dox is objective proof against your claims, yet you're still trying to gaslight us otherwise.
>Muh /pol/
Go back.
Anonymous No.96243990
>>96240791
(((Shedletsky)))
Anonymous No.96244022 >>96244110
>>96243944
Daily reminder that /pol/ is a containment board and used to be the laughing stock of this site until r/thedonald tourists came over because the mainstream media started writing about how the election was won by "meme magic".
Anonymous No.96244110 >>96244170 >>96244170 >>96244170 >>96244170 >>96244170 >>96244277 >>96244404
>>96244022
You're being revisionist. Foremost, 4chan got flooded post-2016 because shills/leftists bought into the idea that 4chan got a president elected. It wasn't that people agreed with the narrative Trump was offering, it was those damn "white incels!"

The whole idea that Redditors migrated from Reddit to 4chan en masse never made sense to me; why would right-wingers that supposedly lived on a site with literal troon admins whose front page was full of literally-astroturfed DNC propaganda go to a sub-community, then abruptly join here? Obviously some did, but never on the measure you migrants like to claim, when the inverse makes more sense. r/the_donald was a very small part of Reddits userbase.

Second, r/the_donald didn't get shut down in 2016. It lasted for much longer. the_donald got shut down after some online manifesto from some shooter (I can't remember the specific one), along with a lot of other political subreddits (mostly chapotraphouse backups, a commie subreddit that for years broke the site's rules but went unpunished because commie).
>Daily reminder that /pol/ is a containment board and used to be the laughing stock of this site until r/thedonald tourists came over because the mainstream media started writing about how the election was won by "meme magic".
As the site evolved, /pol/ became its heart. The SJW Moot wanted it to be a containment board, but it became the source of 4chan culture and every meme from here that escapes into the wider internet came from /pol/. Moot wanted 4chan strangled like how feminist mothers get abortions when they find out their baby is a boy.
Anonymous No.96244132
>>96225393
Effective defence against the religion of peace is so simple, yet the powers that be don't want effective defence because there's so little profit in it.
Anonymous No.96244170 >>96244217
>>96244110
>You're being revisionist. Foremost, 4chan got flooded post-2016 because shills/leftists bought into the idea that 4chan got a president elected. It wasn't that people agreed with the narrative Trump was offering, it was those damn "white incels!"
Yeah, as I said. The mainstream media.
>>96244110
>The whole idea that Redditors migrated from Reddit to 4chan en masse never made sense to me; why would right-wingers that supposedly lived on a site with literal troon admins whose front page was full of literally-astroturfed DNC propaganda go to a sub-community, then abruptly join here? Obviously some did, but never on the measure you migrants like to claim, when the inverse makes more sense. r/the_donald was a very small part of Reddits userbase.
You can check the stats for how /pol/ got a massive traffic bump in 2015 that pushed it from being a smaller board to the one of the biggest boards on the site together with /v/ and /vg/. It's not even just a spike in traffic due to the election, the number of posters increased permanently.
>>96244110
>Second, r/the_donald didn't get shut down in 2016. It lasted for much longer. the_donald got shut down after some online manifesto from some shooter (I can't remember the specific one), along with a lot of other political subreddits (mostly chapotraphouse backups, a commie subreddit that for years broke the site's rules but went unpunished because commie).
They weren't refugees. People came here because they saw the epic pepes and wojaks (like in your pic related).
>>96244110
>As the site evolved, /pol/ became its heart.
Conveniently enough after moot (soul) sold it.
>>96244110
>but it became the source of 4chan culture and every meme from here that escapes into the wider internet came from /pol/.
There hasn't been a meme from here since like gigachad. Wojaks and pepes are well over a decade old at this point.
Anonymous No.96244217 >>96244245 >>96244245 >>96244245 >>96244245
>>96244170
Let's assume your narrative about a large transplant of Redditors that crowd out the existing userbase is right. The fact of the matter is that like escapees from commie countries, they don't want to carry Reddit culture with them. They have no interest in infiltrating moderation or crying to (((mods))) for censorship, are eager to make arguments, are right-chads instead of left-cucks, their occipital lobes haven't cannibalized the rest of the brain in order to edit what the eyes see before it can reach the rest of the brain, etc. You, in contrast, are like immigrants from liberal states to conservative ones. On some level, I know that you enjoy the freedom to say whatever which you don't have on your over-moderated, anti-free speech shitholes and yet despite clearly being attracted to that you still want to turn this place into a sub-reddit.
Anonymous No.96244245 >>96244356
>>96244217
>Let's assume your narrative about a large transplant of Redditors that crowd out the existing userbase is right. The fact of the matter is that like escapees from commie countries, they don't want to carry Reddit culture with them
They sure did a bad job with that.
>>96244217
>They have no interest in infiltrating moderation or crying to (((mods))) for censorship
Wanting threads to stay on topic and not devolving into American culture war retardation isn't censorship.
>>96244217
>You, in contrast, are like immigrants from liberal states to conservative ones.
I'm not American.
>>96244217
>On some level, I know that you enjoy the freedom to say whatever which you don't have on your over-moderated, anti-free speech shitholes and yet despite clearly being attracted to that you still want to turn this place into a sub-reddit.
I don't use big tech social media. That shit ruined the internet.
Anonymous No.96244270 >>96244356
>>96243944
>random .jpg

Fuck off kike
Anonymous No.96244277 >>96244356
>>96244110
Jesus fuck take your meds and touch grass.
Anonymous No.96244344 >>96244356
>>96225393
There's truth in what you say, but I'm not sure I agree with your specific example. Killing children is counterproductive unless your country is willing to totally commit to a war of extermination. You can argue that should have been the case, but the fact of the matter is that what Bales did went against the stated war goal of making Afghanistan friendlier to US interests.
Anonymous No.96244356 >>96244386 >>96244411
>>96244245
>They sure did a bad job with that.
I've been using /pol/ since 2012 and none of its basedness has been lost from today.
>Wanting threads to stay on topic and not devolving into American culture war retardation isn't censorship.
See pic.
>I'm not American.
I'll assume you're from Cuckada or the EUSSR. Now you hard-working, virile, red-blooded Conservative families come to as (and Russia as well), while our and Russia's impotent, parasitic, milquetoas liberals go to you. Great for us, terrible for you.
>I don't use big tech social media. That shit ruined the internet.
Yeah, when your kind got your vile hands on it.
>>96244270
Jews fear the /pol/alpha.
>>96244277
>Take Dr. Goldstein's blue lobotomy pills goy
How about no.
>>96244344
>You can argue that should have been the case
Exactly. We lost to goatfuckers because we weren't fighting properly.
Anonymous No.96244386 >>96244454 >>96244592
>>96244356
>A militaries operations resembling a mafia is a sign of strength
Anonymous No.96244390 >>96244469
>>96243800
I'm certain the only reason this place larps as a free speech haven is because when moot got hacked into being Time's Person of the Year, he needed something lofty and inspiring to say instead of "I took my mom's credit card to make a site with stolen code because I wanted to see anime tits when I was 15 also I love banning people I don't like"
The place was already deteriorating by the end of moot's reign, but him living and letting the other faggot mods(rapeape) take over was the real fucking deathblow
Anonymous No.96244400 >>96244540
>Wanting threads to stay on topic and not devolving into American culture war retardation isn't censorship.
See pic (wrong image in previous)
Anonymous No.96244404
>>96244110
>shills/leftists bought into the idea that 4chan got a president elected
This sentence is so fucking nonsensical and detached from the actual people who believe memes got trump elected(aka some of his actual voters back then who thought "meme magick" shit was real)
Anonymous No.96244411
>>96244356
Hezbollah are freedom fighters also USSR lost to the Taliban also Israel is /pol/'s dream and that is why it's doomed to fail
Anonymous No.96244446 >>96244592
>>96242100
>le 41%
Have you considered thinking about anything else? Also, way to out yourself a newfag.
Anonymous No.96244454 >>96244592
>>96244386
Dude is a /pol/tard which means he believes in the Führerprinzip which is society organised like a mafia where the Führer can do no wrong. Coincidentally this is also a great system for losing wars due to the Führer not listening to his generals who know better than he does.
Anonymous No.96244469 >>96244596
>>96244390
Lost all the magic once our queen faggot left.
Anonymous No.96244540 >>96244592 >>96244888
>>96244400
i remember back in the good old days of gatorgrate where this was posted alongside random infographics about racial IQ in such politically charged and topical places such as
>/v/ touhou threads
>quake champions threads
>board game online threads
Anonymous No.96244592 >>96244604
>>96244386
Appeal to emotion. It's an example of how to actually protect ourselves from the religion of peace.
>>96244446
Dial8 troon.
>>96244454
The axis powers took on the whole world while starting with only a small part of it, almost won, and had a K:D ratio of 4 to 1 in their favor.
>>96244540
Did it trigger you? Good.
Anonymous No.96244596
>>96244469
Speaking of magic, one thing that really bewilders me about 4cuck is how drastically the site culture changed. I remember back in the 2000s into the 2010s people on here had this kinda self-deprecating outlook where this site was shit, 99% of everything posted on here was bullshit and in general people just didn’t take it all that seriously. Now you have people who act like they’re possessing some deep esoteric knowledge that puts them above the average man because they post on a website moot made to have Evangelion waifu wars on. A lot of people here not only take themselves incredibly seriously but makes 4chan into some deep part of their identity. Coincidentally enough these people usually fall for shallow bait and start making up conspiracy theories about discord raids and feds when it’s a post you spend a couple of seconds shitting out. I guess the internet is srs bsns now.
Anonymous No.96244604 >>96244662
>>96244592
I dunno anon, if Führerprinzip means swearing absolute subservience to a fat pedophile who doesn’t give a shit about you then I think it’s pretty cucked.
Anonymous No.96244614 >>96244635
I'm trying to figure out how this conversation relates to cyberpunk.

I'm not saying that it necessarily doesn't; I feel like some of the ideas explored here could be cyberpunk-y. But how do we extract, distill, incorporate into a game?
Anonymous No.96244635 >>96244662
>>96244614
Step 1. Delete /pol/
Step 2. Get mods who actually keep threads on topic instead of giving their bait threads favourite treatment
Step 3. Read pic related
>ib4 shoshana
Anonymous No.96244662 >>96244694
>>96244604
You mean Sleepy Joe, the faggot infamous for sniffing kids?
>>96244635
Kill yourself.
Anonymous No.96244694 >>96244706
>>96244662
>You mean Sleepy Joe, the faggot infamous for sniffing kids?
No one actually likes that guy though.
Anonymous No.96244706 >>96244728 >>96244773 >>96245499
>>96244694
The God Emperor won three elections.
Anonymous No.96244728 >>96244731
>>96244706
Uhhh, cringe?
Anonymous No.96244731 >>96244752
>>96244728
>le cringe!
Anonymous No.96244752
>>96244731
One meme
Anonymous No.96244773 >>96244794
>>96244706
The guy who shits his pants
Anonymous No.96244794 >>96244836 >>96244881 >>96244924
>>96244773
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK82W3SA-3Q
Another thing Biden did you projector.
Anonymous No.96244836
>>96244794
But no one likes Biden?
Anonymous No.96244871 >>96244889
>the deep state
fucking kill yourselves

>still exists now
>is here to push some lgbtq agenda
>after trump has been in charge
>and it's to push for web censorship
again, fucking kill yourselves
half the people pissed off at this law are pissed off because it allows for surveilllance of the lgbtbqqs
Anonymous No.96244881
>>96244794
>quoting the Harold Shipman lookalike as a news source

I'd tell you to kill yourself but I think I will instead if Anon is that unsavvy today.
Anonymous No.96244888
>>96244540
They want to spout their dumb shit but without anyone telling them it's dumb shit. They're perfectly fine with telling you to go "back" to a site they don't like, even though you probably have been posting on here longer than they've been alive
Anonymous No.96244889
>>96244871
The state needs an eternal enemy that comes inwards. Everything Trump does that they don’t like is the boyars fault, if only Trump knew!
Anonymous No.96244924
>>96244794
>Matt Walsh
Anonymous No.96245054 >>96253137 >>96256544
I don't know if the thread is still about games at all, but in case it is:
I like the idea that games use "credits" or whatever universal coin you have, but it's actually a bunch of cryptocoins bundled together that rise and fall in price constantly. So you randomly might get some extra cash or lose some. You can make it a small reward system like 30% of your wallet is chevrolet coin so trashing Ford cars during a chase gives you 30% more money, or drinking a Coke after a big event in public gives you extra money, or lose money if you damage the image of the people who own your money.
Anonymous No.96245240 >>96253234
>>96243377
Impaired linguistics in panopticon?
Anonymous No.96245485
>>96191989 (OP)
Various tier of ads in your cybereyes. You can buy a subscription to turn them off, but each tier requires its own subscription. This way the manufacturer can get more money from ad companies AND cybereye customers. It requires a constant connection and the default software interprets any loss of signal as an attempt to subvert this revenue enhancement method and disables the eye until a connection is restored.

In the same vein, audio ads for cyberears.
Anonymous No.96245499
>>96244706
>three
Anonymous No.96253137
>>96245054
That sound neato. Definitely incidental until someone gets the bug in their head to try and manipulate the value.
I'll credit 4chan if I ever use it.
Anonymous No.96253234 >>96253253
>>96245240
IMPAIRED LINGUISTICS
Bonus: 10 CP (Level 1) or 20 CP (Level 2)
This trait is only available to uplifts. This uplift’s
particular brain structure has difficulty processing
language. At Level 1, the uplift loses some of their
ability to speak, read, and comprehend things spoken
by others when they suffer from stress. Each time the
uplift suffers a trauma, they must make a Language
Test at −10 to speak (both verbal and via mesh
inserts) or comprehend (reading or listening) anything
above the most basic words and information. This test
only needs to be made once for each language, but
for each additional trauma suffered, the test must
be made again, with an additional cumulative −10
modifier. If the uplift loses their language abilities,
they will recover them when that particular trauma
is healed. In the meantime, they can only convey and
understand basic, one-word, one-syllable concepts,
such as “eat” or “run.”
At Level 2, the uplift’s language centers are permanently
hobbled. Their free natural Language skill
at character creation is 40 + INT, and no Language
skill may be raised above 60. Additionally, they must
make make a Language Test to convey or comprehend
particularly complex information or sentences at a −10
modifier. At the gamemaster’s discretion, this may also
impair other skill tests, particularly Knowledge skills
when dealing with detailed data or specialist terminology.
Level 2 does not incorporate Level 1 effects.

p.147, EP 1e Panopticon

I think it may not be a trait OP is looking for but a specific character.

Also makes me want to re-read EP. Or at least find out what happened to it. It should be dead by now, right?
Anonymous No.96253253
>>96253234
It has a 2nd edition but I haven't paid much attention to that.
Anonymous No.96255726
>>96191989 (OP)
Something I was recently reminded of while reading Autonomous: sentient robots that are kept as property. When the question came up of enslaving sentient robots, the result was to allow indentured servitude for humans too instead of banning it for robots.
Anonymous No.96256544 >>96256690 >>96258943
>>96245054
Sounds like something that can turn into tedious number juggling.
Anonymous No.96256690 >>96258532 >>96258943
>>96256544
I should not read while distracted since I read that as "Sounds like something that can turn cum into tedious number juggling." and thought "maybe?"
Anonymous No.96258532 >>96258943
>>96256690
Maybe. Imagine the dutch tulip bubble. But it never popped and instead transferred into tokens representing promises of tulips.
>So this vial of cyro-preserved semen of unknown provenance is worth?
>At least E$10000
>Because?
>That's what I paid for it. And I intend to sell it for more than that.

Basically people dissappearing up their own asses on the inherent monetary worth of an object and always assuming they can sell whatever they bought to someone else, 'as an investment'.
Anonymous No.96258943 >>96258984
>>96256544
>>96256690
>>96258532
In Night City, you can be CUM
Anonymous No.96258984
>>96258943
>Onions green, but its cum instead as people kill each other to turn into sellable products to each other.
The economy requires growth!
>But there's nothing to grow! The land is barren. Worse than barren. It has been tilled to the stones and saturated with poisons.
The market demands growth!
>We can sell nothing that is not already owned by another!
The shareholders will see growth!
>All we have left is ourselves.
Then yourselves will become growth.

Just don't think beyond tomorrow like the industrial krill fishers. Concentrate on how much that pregnant woman's organs will be worth and how much work will be required to carve them out; Ignore the baby farmers; Ignore the wreckers who demand you sacrifice your future for a child that isn't even born. Focus on the now.
Anonymous No.96259595 >>96259896
>>96225844

They did the trail run in Korea, they're in the end game now, maybe they have 30 years left, optimistically. It breaks people slowly, stops them having kids and families.

Eliminates the surplus population without a fight or moral quams. "It was the poors fault for working to death, work smarter, not harder!"
Anonymous No.96259603 >>96259768
>>96191989 (OP)
widespread pedophilia and the defense of it from your neighbors
Anonymous No.96259768
>>96259603
*mandatory pedophilia
Anonymous No.96259896 >>96259976
>>96259595
but they WANT a surplus population. they never shut the fuck up about wanting us to have more kids.
Anonymous No.96259976
>>96259896

Not the smart ones. That's the GDP brains neo-libs who are just watching the SNP500. They're on the way out, that's the old order.

The neo-feudal boys recognise that carrying on you genes is important, hence why they all seem to be in a fertility cult. They make noise about caring about it the rate going down because they keep thinking about it, but their actions say otherwise about what they really want. They know we're approaching the endgame for this era of open Capitalism, it's all going to be private equity and ownership in the next 50 years. If we don't change course, the future is a few mega Oligarch families and a couple million serfs to maintain the robots and remind the Oligarchs that they're better about 100 years from now. Everyone else will just...fade away.

There isn't going to be a great war, an active genocide, noble rebellion or sweeping mega plauge to wipe the population out. It isn't needed. It would sully the narrative for the Inheritors. The system will just...slowly grind people out. Decade by decade, you'll work and hour longer and need to downgrade your living standards, less kids, no kids, smaller house, cheaper food, pod living...no meat...
Anonymous No.96260424
>>96225844
Because shareholders need MORE money
Anonymous No.96262615 >>96262624 >>96263272
>>96203371
>that feel when you start a corporation and it takes on a life of its own
Not in the real sense, but I started a corp almost a decade ago on EVE Online, recruited people who were mostly similar to me ideologically (Industrialists in game), and kept things going by being a personality that people liked. After a couple of years, there was a corporate culture that started to become self sustaining without me even being around, members were behaving in a certain way without any sort of outside influence. Even after I "retired," people still behave a certain way and push it on new recruits, who in turn sustain the whole thing.

I'm sure there's a more correct term for it in sociology, but I consider it a sort of cultural gestalt where the corporation has become a collective entity on its own. People come and go but the idea that makes it up remains the same.
Anonymous No.96262624 >>96262636
>>96262615
People call that "corporate culture".
Anonymous No.96262636
>>96262624
I was looking for more of the scientific concept. I know the common term for it, but I think it's interesting how a group winds up collectively enforcing its way of thinking on its members. Sort of like the experiment with the monkeys and the bananas, where every time a monkey tried to take one the other got sprayed with water, resulting in them instinctively preventing each other from doing so.
Anonymous No.96263060
>>96242118
At first I was going to say something about it as well, but I think that post is implying their connection was coming from whatever internal server 4chan is hosted on. IE, they're remotely connecting to the LAN 4chan is on and interfacing that way.
Anonymous No.96263230 >>96263816
>>96203371
>the organisation as a paperclip-problem-AI, except made out of humans
This is actually a pretty profound conceptualisation of the problem, especially for this shithole. And hilariously ironic, given how many of the BigTech CEOs are pissing and shidding and farding and weeping about the dangers of AI, without even grasping that they basically *are* what they're complaining about already - a rapacious, out of control self-replicating force of destruction.
Anonymous No.96263272
>>96262615
Ergegore or if that's too esoteric, collective consciousness.
Anonymous No.96263289
>>96226078
You sound like you have the makings of a very interesting, if depressing, series of YA dystopian fiction novels. I urge you in the way your poor victims...sorry, "players" are evidently too polite to: sod off and write those books and let someone who actually wants to have a good time GM. Or just kys, so long as you free your poor abused players from this prison of your own failed dreams of authorship.
Anonymous No.96263317
>>96226788
Want another larf? The Samaritans board want to shut down half their offices to save money and get their operatives to sit at home taking calls alone in complete isolation so they can save some money. Oh and here's an I'm sure completely unrelated bit of info; the Chairman of the Board of Trustees for Samaritans is a former Shell, McKinsey, and Deloittes executive...
Anonymous No.96263527
>>96200509
Human corruption is a broad and varied palette.
You can have state power to regulate private enterprise be gutted by lobbying.
You can also have a kleptocracy where politicians have the power to make or break state-sponsored businesses in exchange for bribes.
And you can have fascist states where corps are functionally state instruments, censoring speech and gatekeeping employment based on adherence to the party line, etc.
Anonymous No.96263816
>>96263230
That's a kinda vibes-based view of modern corporate excess.

When a company maximizes short-term growth for the sake of investors that can divest at any moment, it sabotages its own future.
If there were many paperclip machines and the ones that wanted to melt the earth destroyed themselves we would be in business! Only the good paperclip machines would remain!
The fact that we don't see that, means the problem isn't caused by the particularities of the individual businesses, like the moral character of the leadership, it means there's a structural, institutional problem.
The regulatory environment.
A few decades ago rules were changed to allow for easier stock buybacks, so corporations can functionally give investors dividends without paying dividend taxes. This means investors are incentivized to gut their companies, selling all assets for more buybacks instead of having it grow.
Trust-busting is hampered, meaning monopolies can buy out upstart competitors instead of having to compete in a free market.
There's also a bunch of employment stuff that lets C-suite take huge bonuses and bail.

Personal opinion:
It's easy to cast this as government being weak and ineffectual in the face of corporate power, but you can also look at it a different way.
The reduction in trust-busting was done under the logic that it's easier to have one relationship with a single big corporation than many relationships with a whole market of smaller providers.
A government may prefer having a monopoly company that it can *threaten* with regulation to follow political aims over *actually* regulating companies.

It's like>>96200509 said.
Private enterprise isn't really separate from public institutions.
The legal framework that allow for incorporation, and really the whole concept of ownership, are protected by the state, the monopoly on violence.
Regulators aren't just looking the other way, they *are* the powers behind corporate excess.
Anonymous No.96263863
>>96214122
>>96215900
I like bottom more, too.

The top one is tacky as hell. I'm glad "Las Vegas ripoff" culture died.
Anonymous No.96265641 >>96267053
>>96191989 (OP)
What's the point? We already live in one.
Anonymous No.96267053
>>96219118
That's probably a screenshot of someone's desktop background. Maybe they had the version I saved (tiny), wanted to upsize it, and couldn't think of any other way?

>>96202581
Reminds me of that Revolver Ocelot scene in one of the Metal Gears, and a parody comic where a soldier shoots him mid-speech because "I jailbroke my gun to play MP3s."

>>96240847
>that spoiler
What a waste. If you don't matter, kill someone who does. Make them waste resources on you after you've already accomplished your goal. Become an example. A warning. A martyr.

For the record, you do matter. But if you really want concrete validation of that, touch the untouchable and watch the system recoil.

>>96265641
The point, as with any RPG, is agency. The ability to change things, for better or worse. The freedom to claw your way up from the gutter, grabbing cash and busting heads as you go. To face decisions you'll never reach in life, choose, and then reflect on what your choices mean about you as a person.

You know. Fun.
Anonymous No.96267999 >>96268709
>>96191989 (OP)
>AI employees
So are you paying them a wage? Do you have to give a computer program emulating a singular entity benefits?

Also uuuh I guess you can go with the classics, recycling people, meat drones, social credit, the fact that AI replaces the majority of amoral government agents and can give them complete control over every scheeme without someone thinking he's smart by selling it to the russians or some corp.
Anonymous No.96268016
>>96200509
One thing I never got is why people have this mental block separating a CEO and a government leader. Both are essentially the same just following along very different path of acquiring huge amounts of wealth and power.
And that's not acknowledging that most of the powerful people in government aren't even the leaders but the people who can tell the leader what to do and even threaten them if necessary. Same for CEO's.
Anonymous No.96268139
>>96218042
That's so terrifying it sounds real
Anonymous No.96268317
>>96240846
We peons probably wont live to see it or at the very least we wont have the ability to perceive it.
Anonymous No.96268709 >>96268756
>>96267999
>So are you paying them a wage?
I'm paying them in NFTs
Anonymous No.96268756 >>96269027
>>96268709
>fake money for fake employees

Please tell me that you're making a fake product.
Anonymous No.96269027 >>96269099
>>96268756
>fake money
sooooo... real money?
Anonymous No.96269099 >>96269263 >>96283950 >>96286799
>>96269027
I love gold bugs. Explain why pieces of artificially scarce metal are more inherently valuable than IOUs from a large, wealthy organization with centuries of history of paying its debts on time.

But crypto (and NFTs) actually have more in common with gold than they do with fiat currency. They're also an artificially scarce "commodity" which allegedly has real value but in practice only has value as a medium of exchange and investment asset.

Back to the thread, what are some cyberpunk money ideas aside from company scrip? I kinda like the idea of shadowrunners (or whatever) using NFTs as currency, getting paid in random pictures and shit.
Anonymous No.96269263 >>96270563
>>96269099
Spare parts and food.
Anonymous No.96269310
>>96233799
>oligarch
Anonymous No.96270500 >>96271824
>>96233807
A lot of his writing on 'the cathedral' tied together trends which otherwise somewhat disconnected in a well thought out explanation.
Anonymous No.96270563
>>96269263
Barter is boring
Anonymous No.96271824 >>96272114
>>96270500
He's literally just ripping of The Cathedral and the Bazaar by Eric Raymond and tries to apply that book, which is about software engineering methods, and tries to apply that to society. It's the definition of retarded failed STEMcel trying to apply engineering principles to sociology and failing.
Anonymous No.96272114 >>96272173
>>96271824
He actually explains cyberpunk pretty well in the piece, hence why it's itt, just from a perspective that feigns neutrality. Applying ideas outside the usual wheelhouse to something novel is interesting to me. Especially coming from someone of the class that would be directly responsible for a cyberpunk type future.

I dont really have any interest arguing my own opinion. I'm sorry you're upset.

If you take the framework that underlies people like chomsky, bernays, or yarvin, you get a cyberpunk dystopia
Anonymous No.96272173
>>96272114
>If you take the framework that underlies people like chomsky, bernays, or yarvin, you get a cyberpunk dystopia
On that we can agree on.
Anonymous No.96272646 >>96273401
>>96218042
>Credit union
If you're good enough a hunter for that, otherwise the equivalent of payday loan sharks are your only water.
I'm just riffing, that sounds like a very grounded way of handling it.
Anonymous No.96273401
>>96272646
Yeah, this is payday loans on steroids.

To make it properly cyberpunk, the rates need to be extortionate.
Anonymous No.96275505
>>96203129
Agree. Laws aren't enough to suppress people when govts can only operate by the limitations of tax funds. Credit agencies, hegemonies and insurance conglomerates do a hell of a better job because they have the money.
Anonymous No.96276681
>>96218042
I think that's sort of how the game Shipbreaker handled it.

>Take job as a salvager for old spacecraft
>First thing you sign is that you agree to be granted clones ("spares") so that in case you fuck up and kill yourself, you can be revived
>Naturally, to complete this process, you get killed so they can "test" the spare out
>Fine print reads that the company owns all spares, IE anyone who works for them has their body be property of the company
>Starting a job with them involves paying a fee to get from earth to orbit, fee for your spare and future ones, your lodgings, your tools, your food, etc
>You take on over $100 million in debt just to earn the opportunity to work for them

>In lore, most Shipbreakers wear down and become unable to work long before making enough to pay it off (No idea how that works when they can be cloned)
>Story fails anyway because you the player are so good at your job you can pay off your debt in less than a year and after that almost everything you do is pure profit, making hundreds of thousands of dollars each shift
Anonymous No.96277109
>>96200509
Well it's more of Governments get taken over and people aren't willing to defend those who do try to change and the Corps can easily push their guys in more than the people often due to infighting and never being truly united as a group past local neighborhoods at most. Often any so called grassroots movement gets taken over before it can take root, wiped out, or just a psyop to being with.

It's not the deck is just stacked against you. It's takes more than just a village to rise up and often enough it's just take one or two willing to sell out to fuck the whole group up or if someone does become a threat it's easy enough to off them or ruin them so they can't get in the way. Just like in real life. Unlike Marxism you can beat the system if people are willing to work together. However, you got to get the people to work together. Which good fucking luck doing that.
Anonymous No.96283950
>>96269099
Medicine, shares, favors, precious metal (ironically)
Anonymous No.96286799
>>96269099
Cryptobricks. The things that actually confirm transactions and publicize/check them. Use of smart contracts and the abuse of the fact that transactions still need to be computated physically allow the discrete units of crypto and the associated checks to be frozen on a physical piece of hardware. Only after reconnecting the brick to the rest of the system and allowing the program to run and dump the crypto into an inputted address does the currency return to the system.
Anonymous No.96291035
>>96225844
>Why is every single ideology right now laser focused on making us work 12 hours a day.
>For what retarded reason is this the one thing they all care about.
Security dilemma, future-orientation, red queen, pick your poison. A country that has people work 60h/week is mechanically richer (produces more, innovates more, etc) than one where they work 40h/week, even if life there is worse.