Thread 96304580

Fat Retards Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96293656


>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/

>Tools
warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/
https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/

>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

>Booru:
https://ageofsigmart.booru.org/index.php

>Thread question:
You're now in charge of marketing, how do you sell AoS to the public?

>TQ
I make a non-squad based, base building RPG, with a 4 act story that follows a chaos champion who is redeemed by Tornus and who then joins a stormcast company as a champion. The 3rd and 4th acts would follow a bone reaper character and an ironjaw respectively, and it would culminate in a final battle where all 4 forces clash.

Claim this thread in the name of Tyrion

>>96304623
Fuck, I meant RTS. I'll commit Sudoku.

>>96304580 (OP)
>Put Snippers and glue in starter sets
>Give Warhammer Quest Spearhead/Army rules
>Scrap WH+ and focus on free social media painting/building/play/lore videos
GW are fucking clowns

>>96304580 (OP)
>TQ
Soulsborne game where you're a newly forged stormcast left in Shyish and forced to fight through ghouls & goblins to reach and reclaim Sigmar's tower of cool dudes.

>>96304688
I want a FEC soulsborne

>>96304580 (OP)
>TQ
Change absolutely nothing. AoS is in a near-perfect sweet spot of popularity where it's popular enough so you can consistently get a game in whatever lgs you step into, but not so popular we have to deal with 40kek tier secondaries. Some vidya would be nice, but that's because i wanna play aos vidya.
>>96304648
>>Scrap WH+ and focus on free social media painting/building/play/lore videos
It's a real shame how gw has shifted most of their painting tutorials and stuff to wh+. Imo it was a big part of their community-focused change around 2015/16 that helped warhammer explode in popularity.

>>96304570
I imagine if it's all in good fun you could poke a bit of fun at a non-existent group of individuals. But I hope things take off for ya.

>>96304392
I have an obscene amount of models and army stuff for AOS and I haven't even been trying particularly hard. On top of that people offload models for like 50% off, JUST THIS YEAR I got the follow minis for 60 bucks: Alarielle, Morathi, and fucking Kragnos. I got like 3000 points of stormcast for like 200 bucks, it's fucking insanity sometimes man.

Should I wait for the next Cities release and get whatever box they drop (with book, hopefully) or get the christmas battleforce now

>>96304790
We don't know how far out these releases are considering they haven't even been teased yet. If there's stuff you want and you can get it for a decent price, go for it. If not, just wait it out until you eventually crack and buy it anyways.

>>96304790
Might as well get the Christmas box or a spearhead to make sure you enjoy the models.

does anyone do actual *narrative* campaigns in Path to Glory? like realm maps, shifting borders, opportunities for alliances and betrayals, setting consequences, etc? RPGs were my intro to traditional gaming so it feels to me like a lot of potential is being squandered

i also ask because i've been in 40k Crusades with "casual" players but it usually feels more like lazy matched play with an excuse to have poorly balanced terrain and oddly busted units

>>96304790
All we have are vague hints that CoS are getting some love this edition, could be early 2026 could be near the end of the edition. Could be a full second wave could be an idoneth tier little content drop. If you like the stuff that's in the Christmas box I would just get it rather than wait for a hypothetical good release down the line.

>>96304875
I hope they get a piece of terrain that's like a mobile transport unit, maybe not as stupid as the landship (as much as I love it) but like a dwarf walking tower or something.

>>96304790
Dude, if I could get the christmas box from my local right now, I would. I honestly sort of want 2.

>>96304580 (OP)
>tq

FUCKIN' EASY, Age of Sigmartide, Total War Sigmar, slap out the ip to a bunch of authors to get some short paperback books for the various factions that are severely lacking in fluff, put out that series that explains the mortal realms for free to the public.

Here's where shit gets crazy: actually do something for the 10th anniversary.

>>96304859
I kinda wish the narrative mode would add more actual narrative directing, such as events that advance the story you’re trying to write and set up following matches. Something like rolling on a table after a battle and then based on the result of the battle X thing happens. Let’s say Ogors vs CoS, the CoS players lost. They roll on the table and CoS are directed to seek the aid of another players army, in this case Fyreslayers who will in turn get to request something of the CoS player in exchange for hunting down the Ogors.

>>96304916
AoS Vermintide would fucking slap, especially if we got to explore each of the realms

>>96304916
>>96304945
AoS Tide vs Grots or Ghouls. I’d also add in Ghosts from nighthaunt, but they’ve been over-represented in AoS vidya.

>>96304957
Nah, just make the party not a bunch of no name mortals and give us actually cool enemies to fight. Let us be stormcast slaughtering seas of blood bound, and have the elites be actual warriors of chaos level shit.

>>96304945
They already did a shitty version of that with the Winds of Magic update, but actually having some Fatshark love put into it and getting a cast of different races would be sick. (IMAGINE, a soulbound group! Could have like, Gobbo caster, Cities Gunner, Sylvaneth Revenant, Nighthaunt ghast or Bonereaper, and one stormcast.

There's plenty of options too, but holy shit having them go across the realms to get various artifacts, probably have Nagash as the big bad and fight various undead!

>>96304926
i was a forever-DM in my RPG days so i'm thinking about corralling my pals and just doing something like that myself

>>96304965
NTA but Grot-tide would let them put in the right balance of horde, big monster, light-scary, and cheeky for the friendslop Goldilocks zone that wave-shooters need

>>96305022
I feel like going with death as the evil faction seems like a good way to go, as much as I'd enjoy grots I feel like you'd want full on Greentide with KB, Orruks, and Grots all working together for that effect. I'd personally still like to see FEC, OBR, Nighthaunt, and Soulblight though since seeing them in action in first person would be fuckin' rad.

ugh i cant choose between my monthly estrogen or the new cities box....decisions decisions

terrible bait

>96305061
>bringing up trannies out of nowhere
obsessed

>>96305061
do both and play har kuron

>>96305104
>>96305112
whats wrong sonny cant handle a little blog post :P

>>96304580 (OP)
>>Thread question:
>You're now in charge of marketing, how do you sell AoS to the public?
what worked for 40k was cinematics, memetic loretubers, a sprawling plotline, and videogames
the latter are too costly, the tubers are cancerous and stink if inorganic, the sprawling plotline needs to grow on its own still and can't be cooked up quickly, while the former would also be too costly, UNLESS, they focused less on actual animation and more on mere vibes, storytelling and art, with a particular attention placed on a few elements: making the format be easily digestible for people who know nothing about the setting, using the format to make people actually grasp the fundamentals of the setting, be memorable enough in places for memes and reaction content, with twists, mottos, punchlines, and ideally a bit of horror, which is always something that sticks or lures

the gloomspite trailer is a great prototype for this, just gotta make it longer, portray an actual full short story (shit like the ones in the malign portents) and have a few instances within the video where the budget is actually directed to create some sick ass images or well animated parts

>>96305256
>The moon spoke to me, once...

>>96304926
All the GW content for narrative is shit and bare bones, you always have to add to it if you give a shit about it

>>96305256
All those 2nd trailers for new factions were KINO.
I fell in love with OBR off their video.

>>96305287
Yeah, and “narrative content” is rarely actually about the narrative you want to make and mostly about messing with armies in ways the regular game doesn’t so you just play slightly different games.

>>96305300
Jim Cummings doing an evil, less hammed up Lorewalker Cho voice was so good for Katakros.

>>96304859
I've never encountered a good ruleset, it's all very risk adjacent but then more than that and you get into heavy umpire stuff that I'm not sure I'd want to play

>>96304580 (OP)
>You're now in charge of marketing, how do you sell AoS to the public?
Do I want to? AoS public image was ruined by the release. I don't know how fixable it is. Yet let's assume that it is. We can make it as popular as 40k. Do we even want that?

>>96304580 (OP)
Soon

>>96305300
Come to think it they really just stopped doing VO trailers after 3e launched. In 2e they did the animated (in a ppt sense) trailers for Broken Realms and all the Warcry dudes and several armies with a bit of dramatic voiceover for a lot of them. Not all, but many. Nothing like that in 3e and 4e to date.

>>96304580 (OP)
>You're now in charge of marketing, how do you sell AoS to the public?
It'll never exceed 40k and that's a good thing. 40k's popularity made it go down in quality in many ways.

>>96305347
I don’t want AoS to be as popular as 40k, I just want it to be respected at least half as much. Doesn’t help that most people’s impression comes as derision from 40k or secondary video game content creators because there is naturally just more of them than there are AoS ones.

>>96305378
First impression*

>>96304688
Aos is just begging to have a sooulsborne ripoff game. I'm also partial to the idea of a for honor style, third person fighting game.
>>96304891
Luv me landship. Stupid shit like that is the best part of warhammer to me, when combined with some more 'grounded and realistic'™ units.
>>96305256
Speaking of sloptubers, why is picrel the only youtuber that makes succesful 100k+ aos lore videos ? I can understand why others haven't managed to (more esoteric lore + no vidya for secondaries), but how has this guy managed to break the curse?

>>96305378
Calling it Age of Sigmar makes it so much harder to sell. I just say "It's the Fantasy one" at this point.

>>96305366
It was just laziness.
Also they were cranking out books so fast they probably didn't have the time to produce them.
Also so faggot suit probably thought he was a genius by cutting the budget for those ideas and 'saving the company millions!!!!'

>>96305399
Because he has other 40k and WHFB content and his army of simps watches whatever slop he excerts

>>96304580 (OP)
Just marketing for AoS? Or for the entire company?
If the latter the first thing I do is change the logo back to something that took more than 15 seconds in Microsoft word to make.
For second, I’m not sure how well just being in charge of marketing could help the game. I mean I suppose I could deliberately sabotage GW’s other games by making expensive marketing campaigns for them that are targeted towards demographics that have no interest in wargames or markets that GW’s model won’t work in, but that’s less “making the game succeed” and more “ making other things fail”
There’s really only so much I can do without a degree of direct control over rules, models or lore.

>>96305256
This one trailer singlehandedly got me into aos. Pure cinema.
>>96305300
Do you have a link by any chance ? The geniuses over at gw unlisted all the trailers, lord knows why

>>96305366
it's because they started making properly animated launch cinematics

>>96305658
NTA but anything that isn’t an edition launch trailer has been super low effort. Buttrock or licensed epic music over panning shots of minis and that’s it.

>>96305658
That's cool and all but can they make some more shit to get people into this. I spent years thinking AOS was just some "Super Smash Bros" junk of just cramming all the random bullshit from fantasy and some new stuff into random places vaguely themed after the winds of magic.

And while that's kind of true there's lots of cool stuff to like, GW should laser focus on that instead of just... I don't even know what I'd call the "Era of Beasts" and still don't entirely know what's happening in the lore now. The skaven showed up and... Iunno.

>>96305658
I understand that the CGI trailers have a more immediate impact, but I'm the sort of fag who'd look at something like link related and think it's worlds cooler in comparison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5NwVJT6s7U

>>96305692
>Buttrock or licensed epic music over panning shots of minis and that’s it.
I think that's adequate sometimes. So long as there's someone growling into a mic, that can make up for a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5NwVJT6s7U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWqhpmz3Cj8

Tangentially related, GW has unlisted a ton of their old YT content and that makes finding this stuff a lot more roundabout and annoying than it ever should be.

Female Gargants when?

>>96305342
much like TTRPGs, i think some kind of mutually-trusted neutral arbiter is necessary to make any kind of larger narrative work with a group

>>96305752
Matriarch wizard seems like a prime candidate for a behemat pity sprue like brodd, then again nighthaunt suits of armour are also the most obvious thing in the world yet here we are.

>>96305727
I will say, the Cathay one was really good with a lore/faction propaganda narration from the VA of Miao Ying herself. Even that would be more than enough for me, but getting something from the setting at all to help set the mood instead of just the aforementioned buttrock/epic music would do wonders for reveal trailers.
>Tangentially related, GW has unlisted a ton of their old YT content and that makes finding this stuff a lot more roundabout and annoying than it ever should be.
I bet it has to do with licensing/contract shit. The KO trailer was unlisted a LONG time ago because it uses music from Warhammer Online.

>>96305752
When you buy them third party

Ohhh... memberberries!

I have few DoK trailers saved. They're unlisted now so enjoy:

The Shadow Queen
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlQqri1FuRQ
Blood and Fury
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYalTMkOGQU
The Prynce And The Serpente
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeLlgxEpq_s

>>96304623
>>96304632
Until your correction, I assumed you were going for "Kenshi but AOS".

>make a shitroll or take 2 random abilities
>fuck I'll take random every time, that's awesome
>5 of them are total shit
>oh nvm then, welcome to the shelf friend.

>>96305515
>This one trailer singlehandedly got me into aos. Pure cinema.
They just seemed to have more fun with it at the time. Same with DoK trailers.

>>96306018
>on a 3+
Why the FUCK do they love doing this so much

>>96305917
Guess we better start archiving shit if we care about preserving this because GW sure don't

>>96306018
There's a psychological effect where sometimes having a choice causes people more regret than having something decided for them, and I think it applies hard here. Removing the "pick 1 or roll 2" choice in favor of either one (preferably the former) would make this guy seem a lot better. Also get rid of the stupid fucking 3+ requirement.

>>96306018
it's always going to be unholy prescription, isn't it?

>>96306035
its too niche to take him just for that, on a 3+, and the range is probably 12" or something instead of 18" just to stick the dagger further into him.

>>96306079
It says it's 10"

>>96306018
would be 10 times better if we rolled the dice and we picked a target AFTER

have to see the rest of the book but its not looking too good for spooks

>>96306089
oh ok I see, even worse then.

>>96305929
honestly? sounds rad as hell.

>>96305366
2e was when Josh Reynolds was steering the ship A LOT in terms of lore, and you can feel his absence with what a fucking mess the 3e story became.

>>96306095
I mean come on, when are ever going to be with 10" of both a wizard, a priest, or a 5+ ward unit. What situation would you ever roll 2 dice. I want to kill this mawpot and hope I roll two 1s on the 2.7% chance? lol.

>>96306147
id just fish for mortals honestly

>>96305752
On one hand, bitching about representation is broke. On the other hand, that one daughters of behemat animoo conversion is lit

>>96306147
I like the pick 1 or roll 2 concept, but when all the effects are so incredibly niche it's kind of wasted. Had some potential for some cool decisionmaking but alas.
>>96306187
I don't think representation is the reason that guy wants giantesses anon...

>>96306079
the funny part is you could redeploy out of range of this if you're aware of it potentially because of timing.

but yeah we're back to sin & bin tome writers. Felgryn has a ward removal from 18" with no 3+ roll as well as doing a few other things. If I had to pick what I dislike about 4e it's pretty much all in this book.

>>96306147
100% bet it's the same fucklord who made the s2d tome and thinks the two are different but equal because you get d3 wounds back every turn, and a 5+ ward is "really good".

>>96306212
Its completely wasted because you can't apply two random useful effects to a single unit except for one of them being the who cares d3 damage, which isn't worth taking the 73% chance of not getting the single effect you want, which honestly is just the ward anyway. Maybe double nerfing a wizard would be cool but thats a 3% chance of happening, a priest needs to actually have points on your shooting phase, somehow be within 10" of this fragile foot hero, and have not used a prayer with magical intervention that turn despite knowing he's within range, and you don't plan to kill him that turn, and it doesn't even work every time. Its like who designed this shit, give me a fucking break.

>>96306134
Josh Reynolds was a BL author, he had nothing to do with AoS outside of his novels

>>96306018
Tbh if this were in an edition not revolving around spearhead I could totally see a cool mechanic where he hands out elixirs for troops to use or consume.

The part that always makes me laugh is when he writes the scrolls he puts in an extra stipulation for one of the underwhelming effects. Like you think it would be on the ward removal but nah it's on his shitty throw attack, wouldn't want to get too wild with it and allow him to split attacks.

>>96306018
What unit has a move of '-'?!

So I was chatting with a local player about OBR, we were saying how lame their stupid giant terrain piece is and came up with an idea and I figured I'd just drop it here:

"OBR are like magical tax men who are basically just there to have you pay the bone tithe
WHAT IF, the terrain at the start of the game had an effect. Your opponent has to have X much paid or else your guys get a buff (or enemies get a slight debuff) after X many units die the tithe is paid. The enemy owes us X wounds worth of bones, BUT at the end of every round, interest accrues"

Probably absolutely scuffed and stupid but I'd pay bigtime points if Terrain actually did some cool and unique shit. Wish I knew how to balance the idea properly.

>>96306368
scenery

>>96306297
He was heavily involved in the 2e rulebook and Malign Portents writing, even writing Soul Wars as the launch book for the edition. No tome is written by one person, and most are written by no less than 3 or 4 people.

>>96306374
Fucked up my formatting and accidently pasted the second line in the middle. Fuck me. Regardless I would enjoy if stuff like Endless Spells and Terrain had a bit more OOMPH to it, but costed a premium.

>>96306368
Terrain and some manifestations

>>96306018
I fucking hate how foot heroes, who exists solely to use one or two unique abilities often have to do a shitroll to kick it off in the first place, while having no alt usages whatsoever.
In 3rd ed they would often double as priests or wizards

>>96306374
Pretty cool, I like interactive stuff such as this, or for example slaanesh' temptation dice. Even if it's not always super balanced. That being said it feels pretty "big" for a terrain piece iykwim, feels more like an army ability.
Also when will obr get their second wave, I want samurai boneboys.

>>96306420
I love love love how the warlock engineer went from a wizard that can buff any skryre unit via warpstone sparks and M-M-MWP to a hero that exists solely to buff jezzails and nothing else

>>96306399
>No tome is written by one person, and most are written by no less than 3 or 4 people.
Anon is saying Reynolds was not involved in writing any of them.

>>96306422
>That being said it feels pretty "big" for a terrain piece iykwim, feels more like an army ability.

That's a bit of what I was concerned with, Ushorann kinda had this same issue with how he added a whole new mechanic but only if you had him. Still, I just would like to see these big cool models having some use and changing how the game is played somewhat.

OBR's are a bit more tanky and slow, having a thing that encourages the enemies to come to you sounds like a neat thing for them. And I would enjoy any new OBR desu, they're a faction with a wide variety of stuff that works and I'd be excited to see what they come up with.

>>96306374
The reverse Khorne, he hands out favours based on blood spilled, while the ire of Nagash' automated tax accounting gets blunted as the tithe is paid.

>>96306431
you have other skryre heroes to buff other skryre stuff

>>96306434
Which is incorrect

>>96306420
3rd wasn't better, then it was just you aren't playable if your not a priest or wizard in addition period. Its more or less still that way now. Some of the guys that skirt by do so just because you can make them casters with enhancements.

>>96306442
The bombardier literally can't buff anything and the arch-warlock's buff is 40k "do an overwatch stratagem (whoops I mean covering fire command) for free" cancer

>>96306445
Do you have a citation or something? I've listened to interviews of his where he's spoken at length about his time writing for AoS and I can't recall that he's ever mentioned producing text for the rulebooks.

>>96306480
He's the one who came up with the entire necroquake storyline, all the way through Teclis beating Nagash

>>96306496
>[Citation needed]

>>96306399
>He was heavily involved in the 2e rulebook and Malign Portents writing
No, he wasn't, black library authors don't get to write shit about the actual gw publications

Was there a narrative to the Carrion Empire box? Any fun lore for either faction?

>>96306571
The skaven were trying to put chemicals in the water that turned the friggin' serfs gay

>>96306571
dunno
you tell me
https://gofile.io/d/cdMmCn

>>96306618
BASED Ghoulposter. Thanks.

Is current StD (not Darkoath) Spearhead good, or should I wait for a refresh?

>>96306631
If you mean strong, it's very strong. Too strong even. It got an official nerf where the Chaos Knights only get to arrive on the board at the end of the game. All the warriors are extremely tough.

>>96306618
So Nagash can just pop out an avatar anywhere? Does that mean every time he gets his shit pushed in it's just an Avatar of Nagash and the real deal is off being a schizo with 100 different personalities?

>>96306571
>Was there a narrative to the Carrion Empire box?
There was a kingdom in Chamon that had a bunch of sophisticated machines. Nagash desired their machines for his own purposes. He manifested an apparition before the denizens of the kingdom, cursing them with the flesh-eater madness. Thus afflicted, they proceeded to render the machines nonfunctional through neglected maintenance and by stuffing them full of corpses. Many years later, skaven arrive to scavenge what might be scavenged. Fighting happens.

>>96306644
pushing the shit of an avatar is also pushing the shit of the real deal

it's not consequences free

can somebody tell me the name of that korean webtoon guy again? wanna check it out again

>>96306631
its top 3.

>>96306658
>Nagash desired their machines
>Nagash made them ruin all their machines

Is he stupid?

>>96306662
Wait really? How the hell does that work

>>96306671
It happens.

40k refugee/tourist wanting to get into AoS alongside some colleagues here.
What's the best starting army for the forces of death? I absolutely love their aesthetics, lore and models from what I have seen so far. Im in doubt between FEC, OBR and NH but I don't know if they hide some esoteric playstyle or something like that. Im partial to NH and just as I was driving home I started listening to spooky haloween music thinking about a possible homebrew and test color schemes. Modeling skills won't be a massive issue either I feel im pretty well experienced.
Do they get bodied agains't a destruction matchup? Most of my other friends seem to want either order or destruction armies

>>96306673
Lets say you send a piece of yourself to do your bidding, and that piece of yourself is your shins

the moment someone kicks that they just kicked you in the fucking shins

>>96306692
It's better to think of factions on their own instead of grand alliances, Gloomspite is pretty different to Ironjawz etc.
Nighthaunt and FEC are literally getting new books next week so both about to get new playstyles.

>>96306692
Nighthaunt are pretty basic charge in and debuff enemy horde style (that are also getting fucked with in like 2 weeks when the book comes out so wait to see how angry people are then) FEC are a big angry disposable murder horde that primarily want to run into you and rip you to shreds so they can heal back up and continue, OBR are slow and steady push down field and hold points, Katakros is a blender that will kill anything in contact with him. Also if you like certain units, all of Death has special "Regiments of Renown" so you can mix and match factions (with debatable effectiveness)

Modelling wise I like Nighthaunt the most across the board, they are fun to paint and neat looking models. FEC comes second, the older stuff is a bit basic but the new stuff is full of flavour and Big Ush is iconic, and lastly OBR I'm a bit mixed on. They're cool, Katakros and Arkhan are great but I haven't quite figured out a scheme to make them work more for me.

Captcha - NHGAY

>>96306692
soulblight is mostly the total package overall.

>>96304580 (OP)
Who TF looks at a figure like that and thinks "I gotta buy that"?

>>96306740
they have a charm to them, its what a big dumb smelly fantasy giant who hangs out with a bunch of goblins should look like.

>Sigmar wakes up after the destruction of the World that Was
"So, uhh, that just happened."

>>96306740
Back in the day they were really impressive models.
And I am old enough to remember that, so I got a soft spot for 'em

Where is the damn ghoul book?

>>96306987
It's not releasing for another few weeks. And besides, there are already three battletomes out that have yet to be scanned. And I don't think the GHB has been either.

>>96307012
Yeah, but I'm buying it when it releases, so I want it now, rather than later.

>>96306718
>>96306707
>>96306726
Thanks guys, im generally more sold on Nighthaunt. Thankfully the new battle tome changes won't make me mad because this is my first time playing with them. I will probably see if I can find some good recasters or second hand sellers this week to already get the train going

>>96304648
>Give Warhammer Quest Spearhead/Army rules
what does it supposed to mean?

>>96306692
> 40gay rapefugees
Keep walkin we are full

>>96305752
Same moment we get cute shorstack goblin girls and bimbo DoK elves

>>96307644
...wait why aren't there female orks and goblins in AoS?

>>96307654
why would there be? orks are the same in all settings

>>96306669
Which Spearheads are currently the strongest?
Personally I think the new Soulblight, Nurgle, Bighthaunt and Kruleboys are doing pretty good. Ogres and STD got whacked with nerfs hard enough with bring good stuff when game is over strat

>>96307718
>Caring about power over style
Sad, really.

>>96307718
The club I'm going to has limited number of Spearheads that are being played and I enjoy ones I have. What's wrong in asking what people have been struggling against outside of my limited circle?

Picked up the older Ogor Mawtribes Spearhead, do you kinda just go full retard and charge shit? I played KO before and it requires some thought but I like the idea of a bunch of big guys just running in and smashing shit. I liked playing Ogre Kingdoms in TWW so thats kinda why I went with them. Oh and how good is the new Spearhead on its own and as an addition to the older one for making an Ogor army?

>>96307718
i've played a fair amount of spearheads and frankly i dont think any of them are good or bad enough in terms of power to really meaningfully tip the scales. you might have a good or bad matchup where one specifically counters another, but even then with the way the scoring system and twists work, shit usually balances out, i rarely have games where someone just crushes the other player by an insurmountable lead.

>>96307899
pretty much yeah, ogres arent really subtle. they are deceptively squishy though, so you really dont want to be on the receiving end of a charge or eating a lot of shooting for an extended period of time. get in fight quick and crack skulls.

new ones so so. the gnoblar unit in it is a weird half box and also not a legal unit, though you can probably get it up to one with the gnoblars that come with hrothgorn and the ironguts.

ironguts are also a weird unit that got inexplicably worse in 4th. they are now no more durable than a glutton, do only slightly more damage, but cost like 35% more points per model kinda for no reason. you're paying for the name and for the once per game fight twice, but its at strikes last and ironguts cant take a punch, so if you charge something you cant kill with your first swing, its likely to kill the ironguts before their strikes last second fight goes off, and if you charge something they can kill, well then you really didnt need the strikes twice. the only time the strikes twice comes up is if the ironguts get into something really tough or hordey, but that cant really swing back, like a 40 man pack of goblins or clanrats, but paying a 40% point premium to be good against clanrats is not really a good look. the models are kinda fun though with their giant 2 handed weapons.

the artillery is good, like probably some of the best units in ogres right now in my opinion.the scourge of ghyran reworks made them really useful. the ironblaster is swingy, but a single ironblaster getting 3 damage 5 shots at rend 2 with crit 2 hits a turn is gross when it lands, it doesnt always land but it can spike and just do 20 damage to a squad. the scraplauncher has insane utility for slowing the enemy, which is exactly what you want to ensure you are the one making the charges.

both of the abilities that make them good are once per turn army, so you wont get a lot of mileage out of a second one, but that first one is great.

What's the deal with this guy? He's cool but completely unavailable anywhere. And GW technically never announced that he even exists.

>>96307654
Greenskins are fungal entities and are therefore asexual

>>96306740
People with vision

Am I crazy or have they simply not released the all skeleton SBGL Spearhead? My skeleton army project has been on a long hiatus and was figuring I could maybe get back into it with the new models. But not even the old one is on the site it looks.

>>96308078
Apparently it was exclusively sent unannounced in limited supply to special partner stores. I have no fucking clue as to why, but GW is dumb as fuck so it tracks.

>>96308344
They haven't released neither the gobbos on chariots nor the skelly spearhead other than in overpriced book boxes.
I bet the same will happen with the Chorfs.
In the end I'm thinking about getting old spearhead and buying the missing barrow knights and guards separately (with proxy underworlds Velrmon King for the hero)

>>96308464
I mean wight kings are like 15 bucks on Ebay if you're really desperate, but Velmorn is 200% cooler than the standard variant.

(Though I fucked up since I make all my underworlds dudes unique and velmourn and crew are in red and blue and my normal skellys are worn down reds and browns)

>cutting hobgrot slittaz off the sprues
>body piece 29's peg leg gets bent as I'm clipping it off of the gates
>oh well, I have another sprue
>try cutting the gates off in a different order
>peg leg fully snaps off this time
cool

>>96308464
I see, I will simply continue to wait then, saving money in the meantime never hurt

>>96304859
Never noticed the guy in this artwork had a titty tattoo.

>>96308078
>Othar Half-King
>Other half king

>>96304580 (OP)
>TQ
I'd make an entertaining short form web animation ala Inferno Cop that explained the setting. As someone coming into the game this edition my biggest problem is that I have no fucking clue what the fluff is supposed to be.

>>96308471
I have Velmorn whu band unpainted and I only plan to play Soulblight for Spearhead . At least he will be used for something since WHU shit the bed with new edition and I basically don't play the game anymore just drowning in pile of useless retired cards

>>96308513
Ah I feel it anon, I'm keeping my 1st edition stuff because fuck it, I have nearly all of it. Might as well hold onto it for posterity. (And because I do genuinely enjoy 1st edition)

Priests or Wizards?
>pic unrelated

>>96308525
Both

>>96308525
If you can you might as well take both, even if you don't want to cast having someone who can stop some of the enemies bullshit is nice.

I'm going to teach warcry to my little cousin tomorrow what's some good tutorials I can use as inspiration?

>>96308491
Sp there's another guy that's a ghost woth legs?

>>96306867
*laugh track*

>>96306033
>>96305917
Did they also take down the Gloomspite trailer?
that stuff was kino.

>>96308853
It's not down, it's unlisted. The URL works but doesn't show up in searches.

Pyregheists and all the big ghosts getting 2 wounds will be cool.

>>96309034
Such an absolute banger slate of models.

>>96308525
This art is fucking awful

Would the Stormcast half of a Skaventide box plus a Stormcast Spearhead make for a decently functioning army?

Guys, I'm looking for the PDFs of the first edition Orruks (Ironjawz and Bonesplitter). Does anyone happen to have them and want to share the links?

>>96309045
Well, I don't know. First, I would have to buy them, assemble them, and paint them, and then test them in competitive games. Give me 3 or 4 months and I'll have your answers.

>>96309064
https://files dot fm/u/y8qve9fhmz
>>96307513
Buying a WHQ game should give you a pathway to the real game as opposed to Cursed City having heroes without warscrolls, enemies without warscrolls, and legends only warscrolls for a few other enemies

>>96306018
my god who designs this shit. anyone who plays this game even slightly competitively just looking at this can see how useless its going to be its seriously satirical

>>96309045
Gor skaventide, the liberators and prosecutors are ok, reclusians + lord terminos is good. Teo other heroes are bad, the lord on gryph stalker sucks ass especially.
Yndrasta is good, annihilators are good (prolly want to reinforce them though), don't really know about the other stuff in her spearhead.
I think it'll work decently in casual games, might have to drop some heroes and get a another unit or two to replace them though. Stormcast are cheap secondhand, especially if you're willing to pick up some of the squatted stuff to proxy.

>>96309210
Lord on Gryph has shown up in winning list. He's not unplayable.

>>96309045
I'd just skip the spearhead atm. Stormcast will be pretty weak if you try to just throw whatever is cheap together.

>>96306420
Would allowing heroes to lead units 40k style make them better? There is a number of foot heroes that would finally see some combat use thanks to that

>>96309034
I dunno maybe well be the meat army in death or something, like half-ass ghost nurgle.

>>96306348
>I could totally see a cool mechanic where he hands out elixirs for troops to use or consume.
Are you dumb Anon? Even omiting the implications of ghosts consuming things, that dude is an evil alchemist with sulfuric acid literally in his name. In what world would someone like that buff his allies instead of harming his enemies?!

>>96309241
well they'd have to make more infantry units actually baseline good to start with.

>>96309246
Nta but he he harms his enemies by buffing his allies :)
Could be a fun thing though, all his buffs come with a drawback, eg your ghosts hit harder but they take damage every turn, stuff like that. Would fit the character fluffwise.

>>96309153
Thanks bro, I've been looking for them for a while.

>>96307654
Because that's retarded.
>orks
Fuck off.

>>96309366
"Halbkönig" sounds funny.

So apparently gw has told some of their stores to send back fyreslayer spearheads, according to our friends over at tga. Doesn't look especially credible, but maybe someone on here could confirm or deny it?
Either way, discussing seems to be related to a possible rebranding, wideninf up the faction to include some non-grimnir-cultists units.
Again I have no idea how credible this stuff is, just playing messenger boy.

>>96309405
>wideninf up the faction to include some non-grimnir-cultists units.
nah

>>96309436
right they'll just keep pumping out naked dudes instead of listening to near universal feedback.

>>96309436
>>96309405
>>96309452
The claim was that dwarfs go and join fyreslayers as refugees from lost cities and while they don't worship Grimnar they still fight for the fyreslayers

>>96309452
the near universal feedback is about not making them samey looking, it's not about souping them into something else

redo the basic infantry, redo the ranged infantry, add some other unit types like an artillery, chariot, cavalry or hounds, make some flashy special centerpiece, and suddenly the faction is ready to go once again like all other factions are

>>96309464
That's baseless speculation, not a claim.

>>96309405
>according to our friends over at tga.

>Fyreslayers aren't the only ones though...at least if we look over at some independent webstores that are listing items as Last Chance to Buy(which means they haven't been able to get restocks).

>Orruk Warclans(Kruleboyz version), Orks(40k), Chaos Space Marines, Sororitas, Drukhari, and Stormcast Eternals are in the same boat.

>>96309484
their aesthetic sucks, you can whine about it all you want to deaf ears, its as good as gone.

soon

>>96309405
When Greenskinz were squatted my local store did this. The clerk told me when I bought the last SC, saying they wanted to keep it as long as possible for their customers.
Just saying. It's possible they're just getting a replacement Spearhead with the Warcry Warband

>>96309505
>their aesthetic sucks
then get into a different faction instead of asking for a faction you fundamentally don't like to be changed, retard

>>96309491
Do you not understand English? That's a claim. Doesn't mean it is true.

>>96309405
All the Spearheads are being rebranded to reflect the system, with unique names rather than Spearhead: Stormcast

>>96309541
In the context of sharing and discussing rumors, a claim is implied to be a claim from someone who knows what's going to happen, a claim from a rumormonger, otherwise it's absolutely pointless to say it's a claim in the first place unless you want to pretend your bullshit has some validity over other baseless speculations.

>>96309561
Well that's just baseless speculation on your part.

>>96309561
Don't be retarded, please.

>>96309532
the world is asking for it chum.

>>96309568
No u, there's context to shit that goes beyond the simpler definition
>>96309464
>the claim was
is an attempt to present this bullshit as something established with any sort of validity

it's not, who made the claim in the first place, fucking retard

>>96309405
Compleatly retarded. Some stores were still selling leftovee wfb boxes without circle bases YEARS after those models were repackaged for AoS.
There's 0 chance GW will bother with shiping stuff back for box rebranding

>>96309671
all of this fyreslayer squatting/rebranding shit reminds me of all the fimir posters in the lead up to kruleboyz who totally knew a guy who said it was fimir

>>96309671
Looks like it's a false alarm yeah. This elarin character is supposedly privy to some of the sales side of the company.
>>96309790
That people on here actually thought finir were coming proved /tg/ will believe anything.

>>96309790
I don't remember any such rumor, it was all guesswork from the teaser trailer

>>96309366
>that hair
kek

New roadmap at NOVA, maybe? Is that around when we got one last year?

>>96309843
I expect a new one in January to cover next year. This one's clearly over with 3 armies in backlog

>>96309856
Feel like they'll do one earlier, with fec and nighthaunt dropping in the next few weeks we've only got chorfs to tide us over for the last 4 months of the year. Nova seems like a prime opportunity, as with fec and nh released they'll have completely finished the old roadmap. That being said is there even a preview confirmed at nova this year?

>>96309813
they don't recall shit anyway ever unless its toxic or some shit.

I think I found dracothion in 40k
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cosmic_Serpent

>>96309913
wrong, they actively recall stuff for destruction all the time

>>96309671
Official Warhammer stores would be doing so against company orders

>>96309988
Ok, so they ship stuff back to GW for replacement, when GW doesn't offer replacement.
Now they just paid to lose their own inventory.
Brillian move

>>96310004
Yes, see >>96309519

>he doesn't remember the time GW discarded a warehouse because of flooding (which didn't touch the stock)
do we have commercial drone cranes yet?

>>96310096
I think there was a container lost at sea once

>>96310163
Apparently the 2nd Ed SYLVANETH/GSG box set was literally car jacked in Greece, they never sent them replacements either. There is also the time they delayed the Sylvaneth book for months because of issues with their Chinese producer

>>96306018
Learn to read.
It's a shit roll to even get the choice. So it still fails 33% of the time

>>96306030
BEcAuSe iT lEtS uS BaLanCE tHe PoWeRfUl aBiLiTiEs wItH lE hEcKiN RaNdOmNeSs!!!!!

>>96306374
Cool story bro?
Just home rule it if you want, doesn't effect anyone else here man.
The Bone Tithe Nexus was conceived and produced during GW's height of 'lets make a lot more shit in China's phase; Brexit and issues with the manufacturer in China literally made them pull back from a lot of their Chinese production and try to source more and more in the UK.
I don't see shit like this being a thing again for a long time

Remember there was that guy saying there were no transgender people at GW and some guy owned him proving it? I just noticed them too.

>>96309986
Official GW stores do because they’re so fucked for space and don’t want to hold stock that they won’t sell, independent sellers don’t do that and aren’t asked to, like half the LGS you’ll ever walk into have a bunch of OOP shit hanging around. I got an old resin Sunblood from mine like, last year, and it’s been years since that was squatted

>>96310350
what's the relevance of some trannies working at GW?

>>96310352
ofc lgs don't do that, they own the stock they buy from GW? No one would think that nor is the discussion about it

>>96310350
Trannies at GW? Literally no one could have seen this coming...

>>96310350
Did the tranny willingly ape the hair style and dress of the actual woman?
Why would you want to invite that comparison

Just bought into sylvaneth using the stormbringer treelord tip. Excited to just have 3 big fucks stomping around

>>96310407
>40kslop

>>96310262
Lol the guy is just suggesting some ideas no need to have a spergout

>>96310407
RETVRN to tradition

>>96310421
>>96310407
KINO

>>96310407
SOVL

>>96310407
We truly live in the grim darkness of the far future.

did they never release a tutorial for this skin?

>>96310420
All too common on /tg/

>>96310592
No. Or it's on WH+. Same thing

>>96310421
still prefer the original logo

Part 2 of the ongoing retrospective.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/q0sjynja/history-of-warhammer-age-of-sigmar-soul-wars-and-broken-realms/

>>96310662
look at these models you can't buy part 2

>>96310662
>>96310680
Warcry hopium ?
Also the cursed skies thing was cool, but i forgot what happened with it.

>>96310691
nothing happened with it, it was a haphazard excuse to justify a new design of armor and make the previous ones obsolete

>>96310662
As someone who skipped 3e and 4e until now, that was a good recap.

>>96310680
>look at these models you can't buy part 2
speaking of that, isn't it weird how these retrospectives barely show the huge model ranges fatcasts got in both editions?

>>96310691
It's still going spewing demons aroudn the world. Eternus can respanw from it

>>96310707
Anon the recaps have only covered 1 and 2 so far, next articld will be about 3rd.
>>96310731
Last article had celestant prime I think, but yeah weird that we don't see astreia or whatever show up

>>96310755
It's crazy in retrospect how much happened in 1E and especially 2E. The 3E recap is going to be a lot more boring in comparison.

>>96310859
I didn't know cursed city was 2e, holy shit like half of Death was in that one edition. When the fuck did I start collecting models even....

>>96310886
I started in 2018, a few months before Soul Wars launched. 2E was a fucking wild ride start to finish, the most happening of all editions between giving every army a tome, new armies left and right, Cursed City, Warcry, Basically all of Underworlds past the first season, Broken Realms...

3E by comparison felt like being stuck in time. We got Dominion and then basically fuck all else for an entire year. That was probably peak dooming for this general.

>>96310924
how would you say things are nowadays comparatively? I got into AOS like... Back in November? I had been playing Underworlds and buying models for hobbying for about 3ish years before then.

>>96310932
The main problem with 4E is the rules, in terms of releases it's pretty solid really...We had a weird delay between SBGL and IDK but other than that it's been a reasonable balance of pity heroes and small expansions for the first year post edition launch, especially with Helsmiths inbound. The complete absence of Warcry releases is a thing though, and the last season of UW is IMO one of the worst in terms of models and generally the new edition seeming like they cheaped out on purpose.

>>96310932
NTA, but I’m a little bit later of a joiner from that anon.
Honestly, it’s not horrible and no where near the post 3e drought. There’s content coming out but the general disappointment is coming from the army books themselves. Pity heroes are to be expected, but still disappointing for ooole anyway. Battletomes supposed to be like expansion packs for a game but it feels like we’re paying for patch updates. The game play itself is mostly really good, though.

>>96310924
worth mentioning that 3e was the pandemic, so it was understandable that it would take a hit, but there is zero excuse for 4th edition bieng as dead as it is

>>96309040
Eh, more just basic than awful.

>>96310974
I'm still fuckin' pissed at Underworlds, but also saw it coming when after Frostgrave they delayed shit despite leaks having basically confirmed the next releases. I'm hoping it's just short term issues.
>>96310978
The army books feel off to me since I feel like all the books come out and the people who get them are more angry than anything because it's typically just the same shit with nerfs and an AOR no one will use.

>>96310980
>worth mentioning that 3e was the pandemic
No, it wasn't, it launched in summer of 2021, shit had already fizzled out
40k's 9th edition was right in the middle of it but they went unabated

>>96311017
Nah I get what he means, since most companies were just coasting and using the "pandemic" as an excuse.

>>96311002
That’s exactly what I mean by saying they feel more like a patch update. Your new content is the pity hero and then there’s just reworks of stuff you already had. Not much actually new and your options stay the same or get worse.

slaughterpriest coming along.
how does he look? does the blue dotting on the rivets look okay?

>>96311154
Yeah he's looking good anon, and blue is pretty subtle but I think it's fine unless you want it really pronounced.

>most 3-man cavalry kits hover around 60–65 usd
>the 2-man pusgoyle blightlords and stormcast dracoth cavalry are 79 usd despite having one fewer model and being relatively old
what's up with this

>>96311179
They're bigger more "elite" units so fuck you pay more. Usual GW stuff.

>>96311179
They're both BIG

>relatively old
retard

>>96311154
um that model isn't allowed anymore anon, please hand it in for recycling at your nearest GW store.

>>96311179
I can see it, also not sure what this third mini is.

>>96310859
Yeah I joined around 2017 or maybe 2018 (right before dok), crazy how much stuff happened back then. Really fun time as the setting was really solidifying, felt like there were two new factions introduced every year. Took a break after 3rd dropped and just got back now.
>>96311179
Flies are massive, even when compared to other 3 man cav. Dracoths are pretty bulky too but that's a bit stranger.

>>96311199
>>relatively old
>retard
They ARE relatively old compared to most of the cavalry I'm comparing them to. Do you know what the word "relatively" means? It means "when viewed in comparison to something else".

>>96311221
>Flies are massive, even when compared to other 3 man cav. Dracoths are pretty bulky too but that's a bit stranger.
I think it might be that they can be used to build a hero, so by GW's logic they must be inflated in price to suit that.

>>96311017
your memory is poor, the pandemic, especially in countries not USA, were still frequently in lockdowns and remote work well into 2022

GW also has between a 1-3 year lead time on its product development to release cycle, meaning shit that came out in 2022 or 2023 was being worked on in 2020 and 2021, during the prime of the pandemic.

you dont really think they started work on 3rd edition the month it came out? that shit takes time, you have to send books to printers, warehouse products, get CAD sculpted and moulds made, the writers have to draft the story and rules, and so on. nevermind that all of that hinges on the global supply chain which was massively disrupted for several years during the pandemic.

> Sensing the opportunity for a scrap to end all scraps, Gordrakk launches himself at Kragnos, and is nearly slain – only a last-minute intervention by Skragrott using the power of the Bad Moon can stay the god of earthquake’s dread mace
What disgusting revisionist bullshit is this
Kragnos DIDNT even come close to killing Gordrak Kragnos couldn't even kill his mount

>>96311168
lumineth, seraphon, skaven, hedonites, and bonereapers.

>>96311251
Also China changing some policies fucked then over. Third edition really was a cluster fuck of logistics for Aos. There were long periods of nothing.

>>96311251
Bta but in most of western yurop mid 2021 is when lockdowns and stuff ended and when people stopped giving a fuck. Dunno if that's the case for uk too. Agree with the rest of your post though.
>>96311252
Cope green boy

>>96311251
your memory is so poor you can't even be arsed to remember the ramifications of your own point
if shit is made 3 if not more years in advance, then third edition would have had more than 2 years of material ready to be released for it
not only that, such void of releases and stuff didn't happen for 40k and gw has reiterated time and again that they kept working despite the lockdowns
the only thing to blame for 3rd edition being a disgrace was GW dropping the ball, certainly not covid which miraculously spared the rest of the products

and that's without counting the fact that there were no lockdowns in the uk past summer 2021

>>96311295
I'd marry a drogrukh girl

>>96311252
>Kragnos didn't cone close to beat that orc, he only beat up the massive dragon he was riding

>>96311179
Dragon is bigger than a horse

>>96311251
>the global supply chain which was massively disrupted for several years during the pandemic.
I’d say it never really recovered. Companies learned they could still make money with skeleton crews and got comfortable with the fact. It was just another cut they could make in the pursuit of the almighty green line.

>>96310691
>>96310699
originally they gave the non-thunderstrike Stormcast rules to be more grounded
I wish they doubled down on it, with new fatcast that were guaranteed to be mortal and veterans of dozens of campaigns with armour damage, trinkets they've adopted as survival blessings, etc. Ruination Chamber is just stupid and retcons forging flaws

>>96311535
Numbers must go up, and now it's gonna get worse with all the fucking bullshit coming from the white house fucking with Tariff's that may or may not exist or raise or lower at any given second. I feel like prices won't get better until the system finally caves in on itself.

>>96311495
SOURCE?!!?!

>>96311487
He didn't even do that. It was a draw (pathetic for Krag-cuck fans)

>>96311536
>Ruination Chamber is just stupid and retcons forging flaws
no, it doesn't

>>96311566
Vandus and Lightning Gheists were replaced with
>we give them mortal carers then execute them if it gets worse
Vandus was a deranged killing machine they locked up outside of battles

>>96311465
You will get a whole drogrukh harem when kraggy's faction drops in like 3 years.
>>96311536
Some battle damaged stormcast would be great.

>>96311574
>Vandus and Lightning Gheists were replaced
no, they weren't, you're ill informed

>>96311578
Destruction Beastfolk and there's ladies with BIG clubs
and titties

>>96311641
big UDDERS

Wip, I finally think I'm getting better at patina effects. I do enjoy rhe dust look to it.

>>96311593
That banner is cool

>>96304580 (OP)
>TQ
Highly depends on how big the budget I have and how much influence I have over what AoS as a whole focuses on.
>Total Freedom
With total freedom, as many have said large video game to capture the imagination and attention of new people/those on the fence. Total War: AoS or "StormTide" would both work well, although a lot of other things could work. A Soulbound RPG, an MMO starting in one of the realms with each expansion being a new realm, etc... Just something big, and if Realms of Ruin was anything to go off of actually good. Also >>96305658 brings up a good point, little animations/shows that show smaller scale individual characters/concepts and not just the very vague and wide edition scale stuff. It just also has to have a little more budget/time and not be the classic "Warhammer +" tier animation. Basically anything that can be easily digestible, shorter form and a more casual way to learn about the setting other than books. Love me books, but you have to first be sold on the setting before most are willing to make that plunge.
>Marketing Lead
If I was simply in charge of marketing what AoS has on offer with no control over what AoS overall does, do what they're doing now and push Spearhead. "Cheaper, quicker, and well beloved game mode that's perfect for getting into the hobby! Don't know what army you like? No need to commit right away, get a spearhead or two and test the waters! Like a factions design? How it's spearhead plays? Maybe consider getting a full army and buying a book or two for it!" Stuff like that. With a little budget I'd also push more short stories/art pieces to coincide with model releases so people can get more excited about new releases beyond just whatever the little descriptions and battletomes have. Finally, MAYBE sponsor a few youtubers already doing the occasional AoS content that are big to make videos on the setting. Might be a little sad, but I could see it genuinely helping get more people into AoS.

>>96311862
Some actual origin videos or like Overwatch trailers for shit would do wonders. Spend some cash and hire some decent animators, Blizzard can get people hyped just by showing supple previous purple elf feet! GW should follow suit.

Just looked over their range, am I correct in assuming fyreslayers don't have a named character? Not counting gotrek and underworlds.

>>96311593
>>96311606
They can't reach that point anymore, Lord Terminos executes Stormcast before that point

>>96311893
Yes, we're probably getting a Bael Grimnir soon though

>>96311898
Yes, they can, I'm literally showing you 4th ed artworks of lightning gheists.
Lightning gheists don't represent the end of the road for a stormcast, the first appearance we had of them was captured and reforged normally, while it's likely for them to happen more often down the line, they can happen at any point during the reforging, the lords terminos execute stormcasts which they believe have reached their real final limit and nearing the point of no return.

>>96311898
Isn't that literally 4th edition art anon?
>>96311912
Would be rad, fyreslayer deserve a true shot.

>>96311912
That'd be nice, I think they need a second wave like FEC got (maybe instead of 3 foot heroes give them fucking anything else alongside a unit of Cav, some elite infantry, and big fuck off centerpiece man)

>>96311893
And that's a good thing!

Is the old Nighthaunt Spearhead worth more in terms of cost, points and the units therein?

>>96311998
Comes with what you'll generally want but Nighthaunt are horde army so you'll still be a bit far off from a full list. But it's also the only thing that comes with the "on foot" Knight of Shrouds. I don't think he's available on his own but I'm prepared to be mistaken.

But Grimghasts are good, Spirit hosts are good, you'll still need a dick ton more stuff to make a full list.

Retcon idea: female skaven have a 1 in big number chance of being born incapable of breeding and those that are have an even slimmer chance of surviving to maturity. These extremely rare ratwomen are often hyperhoned into elite members of their clan, but rarely become lords. The even more rarer single female lord is such a godlike sniper that no mortal has ever seen her up close and thus continue the belief that there are no female skaven outside of broodmothers

>>96312062
Doesn't make a lot of sense in the context of skaven society

>>96312062
That's already a possibility: grey seers
Nothing stops verminlords from being female either
And both cases are better than your idea because you give no reason why anyone in skaven society would give a shit about a rat female that can't work as such, or at least give a shit about them any more than they could give a shit about any other random skaven male

The lack of attention towards skaven female is because furfags are obnoxious and ruin everything, so any and all suggestions regarding skaven females have to be met with
>are you making them hot?
and if the question is even remotely or implicitly answered with yes, then you and your suggestion are to be thrown into the trash

>>96311998
The new box, for those of you not in the know.

>>96312178
everything broke off: the spearhead

>>96312116
Grey seers can be female???
>are you making them hot
No, I'm making them female unless you find dirty ratgirls with sharp stabbers and gun shooters hot

>>96312116
A female verminlord as a grotesque embodiment of skaven proliferation is just about the only way I would accept it, but it would have to be done in a way that's effective body horror, and not a deranged fetishist's wet dream (and I say this as a deranged fetishist)

Are Blightking models much bigger than Chaos Warriors? Been thinking of starting a Maggotkin army where the corruption is early so I can have more armored looking units, plus 10 warriors is the same price as 5 blightkinds...

>>96312312
bruh

>>96312312
Laugh at the poorfag!

>>96312062
Dumb furfag.

>>96312216
Are they really that brittle? Any kits that are particularly egregious?

>>96312560
No that poster (probably a faggot or woman) is delusional.
The kits don't break unless you literally throw them all in a shoebox and throw the shoebox into a back pack and travel exclusively by public transportation

>>96312312
LMMMMMMAAAAOOOOOO POOOOOORRR FAAAAAGGGGGG
>>96312454
Did I do good?

>>96312062
Sounds like some furfag fetish maybe kill yourself?

>>96312560
Harridan's scythe hands always broke on me

>>96311214
Looks like a can of soup, or an American art installation.

>>96310642
It's so good. It's like a paleolithic shitpost.

>>96310400
It's called "skinwalking" and it's a common phenomenon with persons of gender and the objects of their fixation (often a crush, female family member or anime character)

>>96312116
>>96312538
>>96312587
I resent that! I'm a furfag, and I don't want female skaven.

>>96312573
Nomodels always think everything that doesn't have 4 feet sculpted onto the base will just instantly disintegrate for some reason.

>>96312178
Swords and Harridans are (possibly were) your big killers. Also really hard to find Harridans, GW never fucking restocks them. I personally think 2 of either of these is a perfectly fine start to a nighthaunt list.

>>96308078
Lets lock a pretty cool unique looking model behind something fucking random and in limited numbers. GW retardation never ceases to amaze.

>>96312178
Hope this means lots of cheap jailors on ebay because I'm still missing it in my collection and it will become unavailable on its own now.

>>96312560
Olynder is a nightmare, those stupid little flying ghosts and her base being like one little wispy tendril. Everything else is more durable than you'd expect, except ONE SPECIFIC chainrasp

>>96312607
Jesus and certain 'people' want us to think this is HECKIN normal and valid

>>96312644
Still kill yourself

>>96312312
Blightkings are Fat Liberator size iirc so close

>>96312680
She's a little wobbly. Think I'll have her go through some gravestones for extra support or something.

>>96312607
you know too much about this tranny shit
lemme guess you play DoK

>>96312700
Hate to say it, but 2000s chan culture is never coming back.

>>96312688
Which people anon?

>>96312644
what, you want muscular stormvermin men shirtless sweaty and buff

>>96312712
It's not as bad as clipping the new deathrattles but I get paranoid sometimes.

>>96311998
>>96312178
I typed out all the prices for the contents and shit but then this fucking website had a stroke and deleted my post.
Anyway tldr discount on the new one is disappointing (20%), old one was around 30% but that's not exact cause of the knight on foot which was not sold separately. Purely from a savings perspective new one is worse. Couldn't tell you about points or viability though.

>>96310400
The hair is different and if anything the bleached one is imitating.
Everyone at GW wears the same thing: graphic tee or black top

>>96310400
Skinwalking is just what they do.

>>96312688
yeah, well you're paying her wage so

>>96312837
Bold of you to assume they own any models

>>96308078
>>96312661
>have a ghost army
>said ghost army has been begging for cool armoured ghosts since day one
>finally get around to making one
>it's commemorative
>also it's for vampires lel
Gw is something else

>>96312706
>Fat Liberator size
We need to RETVRN to McDonald's.

>>96312873
I would love if Nighthaunt got some haunted armor or possessed humans but I'm not sure if that's something Nighthaunt can actually do. Anyone know the lore that can confirm this?

>>96312837
Only if you buy directly from GW, if you buy from the LGS not really, GW makes it's money off the distributor not really the customer.
I never buy directly from GW

>>96312910
Good on you, fuck GW. even if I don't agree with the other shit at least you're making good financial choices.

>>96308078
>weird half ghost, half skeleton
>for sbgl
Pleeeeeease let this mean gw is considering souping death again, I just want to run all the spooky stuff in one army like I was promised I'm Legions of Nagash

>>96312926
There was some leaks that the new NH book will have an AOR with Nagash, maybe that's a good first step.

Also making Nagash actually worth taking.

>>96312454
>>96312583
o-oh :(

>>96312706
Thank you :D

>>96312873
I was about to tell you you're stupid and it's obviously a skeleton but upon closer inspection... so that's why he's half a king.

I gotta say, I LOVE the Grandfather's Gardeners models. They're so characterful and awesome.

>>96312910
lmao what a cope

>>96312680
I considered getting the Seething King as my first character model. I ended up getting Reikenor back during my Nighthaunt phase instead, but he's still really cool. I wish I could think of a way to subtly make his heralds Statler and Waldorf.

>>96313064
Could have little noses poking out from under the cowls, and I picked up all the big named heroes for like 15 bucks a piece so I wound up getting the whole gang. Personally I like Valentinian more than Olynder and Reikenor is neat (would be nice if maybe he had more horse based units to match him...)

What the best way to get these guys at this point? I'm mainly a bone enjoyer, but I wouldn't mind having a few token vampires mixed in and these are really the only ones that strike my fancy. The generally available ones are either too weird for my liking or too bestial.
I think getting the Revenants of the Realms box is probably the best I could do, but I'd only otherwise be sort of interested in the ghost part, barely interested in the ghouls, and not give a flying fuck about the Ossiarchs.

>>96313109
Ebay, they've been re-released like 6 different times at this point I feel like they're bound to be reasonably priced right?

>>96312219
>Grey seers can be female???
We have no indication that the grey seers have their own horner brood mothers, instead they seem to spawn randomly amongst normal skaven, and the blessing of the horned rat in the form of the albino fur and the horns is presented as such a big deal that it probably overrides the normal treatment reserved for broodmothers, so either the horned rat blesses only males, or female grey seers are as common as male grey seers (but most likely just end up looking and behaving identically), or the grey seers clan does have female broodmothers we have never heard about, on top of horned skaven having a random chance of spawning from normal skaven

>>96313118
$50 is the cheapest I see on Ebay. For that price I may as well get the warband box for $80-$85 on Amazon or another 3rd party seller and get the ghosts.

>>96312885
I honestly have no idea, don't think that's something they'd clarify one way or the other till it's time to make the model.
But given how everybody else in the setting can bind souls and daemons and stuff to weapons I'm gonna assume nagash can cram a few ghosts into a suit of armor.
>filename
Nagash willing

>>96313192
Holy fuck, fuckin' GW price bullshit. That sucks anon I'm sorry, if you were local I know a few boxes floating around my FLGS but I don't think you're in the North end of NA.

>>96313109
Probably get the four-band box and try sell the others.

>>96313212
I will always maintain that if GW cut prices by 20% they would sell probably 50% more product. So many more impulse buys when the prices are reasonable.
>>96313233
I might just do that. If it comes down to it I can always use the ones I don't care about as basing fodder.
At least the next Death box comes with stuff I mostly like. Velmorn is what I've been gunning for, the zombies are cool, the ghosts are ghosts, and I still don't care much for the ghouls. Hopefully they come out relatively soon.

>>96313287
I mean warbands used to cost less and give you more in the box for Underworlds, but that's just the everpresent GW greed. But you are correct, if shit was cheaper they would get much more money.

>>96312722
Keked and checked

>>96313109
Why do two of them vaguely look like Vlad and Mannfred?

>>96312783
If you open up that article the other women (real woman, not freaks) are wearing white shirts without graphics, and at least one of the men in the photos is wearing a button down shirt with a white undershirt.
So no, the tranny is literally dressing like the real woman, with a hair style similar to the real woman

>>96313346
On duvalle i guess the pose is pretty similar to classic vlad
Chadfred on the other hand is just a baldy. I like the big fuck off mace, makes him quite distinct from other vamps.

>>96313287
>if GW cut prices by 20% they would sell probably 50% more product
The problem is GW can't produce 50% more product to sell. They have severe production bottlenecks and already have trouble meeting demand at their current prices.

>>96313409
I do enjoy when they kinda give alternative new models inspired by classic designs. I'm sure there's a few people out there who were like "Fuck I would really like a vlad von carstein model" and some weird underworlds gang tossed it to them.

>>96310350
that's just a faggy looking guy.

>>96313563
I really think that at some point GW is going to bring back more WFB characters into AOS with new models. Probably not anything Tomb Kings or Bretonnia related since they don't want any model overlap across games for some bullshit reason, but I can see Vlad or other characters making the shift. A new Vlad model would go hard.

>>96313287
>20%
A box of infantry should be $35 max like their competitors. Disgusting jew company.

>>96313610
Tbh if I had to choose a character for SBGL to return, please give me Krell (Kemmler too would be funny with a situation reverse where now he's serving Krell)

>>96313645
If Kemmler and Krell came back, I could see Kemmler being some kind of outsider Necromancer who refuses to acknowledge Nagash. Nagash would probably send Krell out to hunt him down.

>>96313645
It would be funnier if they were freelancing for Chaos.

>>96313615
TBF I can accept that GW sells a premium product. Most of the competitors are shitty resin and there's not a lot of them that make good plastic minis at the same scale. So a unit of infantry should be like $50 max. A single infantry sized character should be $25-30.

>>96313366
how is the hair similar? is this an autism thing?

>>96313563
Me too, sometimes they get real obvious with it like kro-jax being just a modernized gor-rok, down to the scar and all. Same with tetto-ekko and the new starseer.
>>96313610
With tow being set a bit before normal fantasy I can see it happening. Honestly, and I know I might be in the minority here, I wish they didn't. I think they should focus more on developing aos original characters. Whfb characters can work in some specific cases (wouldn't be opposed to oxyotl returning for example, chaos is also fair game) but in general I'd like it limited to the returning cast we have now. Kind of cheapens the whole apocalypse if everyone and their mother can just be revived yknow. There's better ways to do an homage imo.

>>96313579
with a bra strap and ear rings? this is a faggy man

>>96313610
Biggest plothole of AoS is Nagash not remaking Vlad

>>96313720
"premium" if that even means anything shouldn't be double.

>>96313769
you got a folder of all the cute gw homos huh?

>>96313686
I feel like if we ever get a big ol' zombie release for SBGL it'll be Kemmler or maybe a reincarnated Drachenfells who winds up doing their own thing. Frankenstein flesh golems, electro zombies, weird flesh monstrosities and corpse collectors. Drachenfells might have been stripped of his abilities as a spirit and reincarnated or maybe was bound by some rogue necromancer who winds up having way more power or knowledge than anyone could have expected.

I wonder if we'll see any Chaos Dwarf characters with models (like Drazhoath) returning in AoS with the Helsmiths.
Urak Tarr will probably be the only named character we'll get on the tabletop for now but I mean more if we'll see the old Chorfs pop up in the lore.

>>96313787
Nagash hardly has any reason to want him back.

>>96313846
enough about mannfred

>>96313846
He brought back fucking Mannfred, why wouldn't he want to bring back someone as a competent warlord.

>>96313846
Nagash brought Vlad back in the end times to basically replace Mannfred, who he thoroughly disliked.
>>96313854
because Mannfred was plastic

>>96313854
Vlad is not competent and his record of loyal service to Nagash was among the absolute worst in the World-That-Was. If anything Nagash's decision to bring him back for the End Times was retarded given their shared history.

>>96313820
They have the lady of flesh for zombies
No need to dig up yet another old character

>>96313886
Mannfred caused the end times, there's no rationale explanation for Nagash bringing him back. It's like if kemmler returned

>>96313820
...why not just make a new army that's funky frankensteins? Get a little loony and triple down on electricity and bolted on bits? Hell, their whole schtick could be rebuilding their army from the scraps of who they kill and they'd be a nice contrast to vampires.

>>96313898
I was thinking her too desu, I can't remember if she was hanging out with Ghost-cast during Soul Wars or if that was someone else. Zombie lady would be fun.

>>96313918
I wouldn't mind that, if we got another death faction like that with all the other hollywood movie tropes, fishmen, werewolves, zombies, frankensteins, Abott and Costello, and at least one Blackula I'd be happy.

>>96313914
That's not making a case for Vlad, it's just making a case against Mannfred and Kemmler.

>>96313854
he explicility brought back manfred because he wanted to keep neferata in check, also he needed a force in his grand alliance that were relatively free willed, but were slaves to their own....schemes I guess. I forget the word im looking for.

>>96313955
I'm guessing it's more just the case he knew Mannfred and Neff would be too busy fucking each other over and bringing back someone like Vlad who just wants to do his own thing wouldn't necessarily be the best? Also if he brought back Vlad, Vlad would keep bitching about bringing his wife back, and it would be like a whole thing.

>>96311266
I dunno how bonereapers qualify for well rounded. There's like two good non hero units to run. Mortek have been in jail for like 4 years, they actually refused to give them even one rend on their profile twice now. The units people weren't taking are at their lowest points of all time and people still aren't taking them lmao. They're so fucking bad at writing rules.

>>96313835
I guess it depends on how exactly this new incarnation of hashut works and how it relates to his old self in fantasy. If the other chaos gods can bring back their champions than maybe he can do the same ?
>>96313854
Manny should've stayed in the world that was desu
>>96313944
Just skimmed her page on lexicanum and she sounds fucking great. She's also basically confirmed as being a mortarch since the lexicanum calls her a deathlord? I do have to say, my problem with making zombies fully their own thing is that they start to look and sound a whole lot like ghouls past a certain point. Like that description of the lady of flesh having a fancy palanquin of rotting skin sounds exactly like how I picture flesh eater courts nobility.

>>96313854
mannfred is super competent, stop spreading fake news.

>>96314016
>Manny should've stayed in the world that was desu
Hey he made some character progression in aos even if they kinda made him gay(er).

>>96314016
No you see FECs are ghouls, these would be frankensteins. There would also be a more technological theme as frankensteins are animated through electricity.

>>96314016
Tbf FEC is a lot more tattered and rotting, having some more fancy well crafted flesh could be a style too. FEC is like a pile or gore and body parts, Lady of Flesh could be like... skin doileys and a palanquin made of like stitched together body parts (could have like a throne of hands, legs walking her down, a torso of a manservant pouring her drinks and another having like a tray of surgical tools)

>>96314038
Or a cool mechanical electro car thingy? Like from wacky racers!

>>96313970
so sorry your ethereal 5+ ward 120 point infantry with recursion don't have rend unless your bonus wizard cast a spell waacfag, cry me a river.

>>96314053
Or a living ("living" is a stretch given its agonizing existence) palanquin that carries her around made up of fallen foes.

>>96314069
It would be fun having the zombies she creates have more sentience but worship her, (admittedly I'm probably getting into horny territory I'll stop posting 34-san art.) and kinda submit to being made into a blob and enjoy being experimented on post death. Would be nice having the bit of a rotting corpse woman that looks pretty classy and people are weirdly into. Temptation of the grave or some shit.

>>96314038
I feel like moulder has the frankenstein angle kind of covered. But maybe I'm being too narrow. I know we got electro ghouls already but imo they look kinda shitty
>>96314053
>>96314069
I could see a more fancy approach working, although now you also run into the problem of being similar to bonereapers and their weird people constructs. I think there's potential but gw would have to really sit down and brainstorm a way for them to be fully their own thing. or they could just slap pirate hats on everyone and call it a day

>>96314126
Just give me zombie woman in a veil with huge tits and I'll be happy. They don't even have to be hers, just stitch em on.

You know, i did wonder why cities of sigmar got new models but it was barely 4-3 minis.. Then i remembered that they have the other races in their army

Anybody recommend the steelhelms or the fusiliers?

>>96313835
Do wonder what they will give the chorfs, but considering we only had like a slice of chorfs atm, i give it another 6 months for something

HH and 40K still always gets food to eat, ToW and AoS gets barely something sometimes

>>96314126
Victorian frankensteins in frankenstein's london where men are valued for the bodies they're made of

>>96314143
I remember another thread a while ago where the idea of new mortarchs/death factions came up, and an idea I really liked was a sort of death cult, mortals who worship nagash and shit. The lady of flesh could be made their high priestess, apparently she does have all kind of inscriptions and shit carved on her bones, sounds fairly culty.

>>96314056
>ethereal automatically makes a unit amazing
>big mad and big bad detected

>order- sylvaneth
>chaos-tzeentch
>death-sbgl
What should I adopt for destruction? Leaning between gargants or gitmob.

>>96314357
>waah why is my incredible anvil only also a cheap hammer situationally
scrub

>>96314270
It is a bit weird how only ghouls have priests, even in soulblight in lore, some vampires do worship other gods. Although that’s more obscured.

>>96314375
Ogres, my lord
>>96314380
Come to think of it, who do the ghoul cardinals even pray to? Is it just nagash or do they keep their gods? Is there a separate ghoul religion too?
As for the other death factions, none of them seem to actually like nagash all that much honestly.

>>96314378
>Can't figure out how to beat them heckin mortek guard he always charges into with all them charge bonuses

>>96314418
you're the one complaining about them.

>Female minis
Can you anons recommend one to try painting? I am interested in a sorceress or someone else

I dont think sigmarines is a good choice since they only have no helmets and that's it

Just finished my harpoon crew. Extremely fun set of models to paint. Middle guy has got to be my favorite model of all time. I love everything about him.
I even painted his little parrot after my own bird, Gunther. Such a cute little detail.
One downside: they're so top heavy. The amount of times that one of them fell over while just setting them down was absurd. I've gotta get them magnetized soon if I want to even think about transporting them.

>>96314527
You did em well.

>>96314542
Thanks man, I'm happy with em for sure. Sad to say it'll probably be my last KO paintjob for a while though, since I just got word my new votann models just arrived at the LGS.
I'll be back here when the chaos dwarves come out.

>>96313835
I doubt it. It looks to me like Hashut has become (or maybe always was) a dark god of the dwarfs that is always there to tempt them into doing things HIS way.
Personally I'm fine with it, ToW chorfs were a product of specific circumstances whereas AoS chorfs sound like they can have a wider array of backgrounds.

>Play against cities of sigmar
>Man uses all races

Huh, i always see sigmar players use ONLY 1 race, player used dwarfs, DE and Human heroes

>>96314715
A relic of a bygone time...

>>96314527
They look amazing anon. I prefer them over the original GW paintjob by a mile. Proper looking dwarves they are

>>96314715
Diversity is very good because it allows people to thrive and learn from outer groups.

>>96314715
This is how you know they’re a true cities patrician and not an empire larper. This is what we must Retvrn to, the shadows over hammerhal era

>>96314818
I would like it if there were dwarfs and elfs wearing new Cities gear so they don't stand out like a sore thumb. Have the dwarves be big shield guys and elves be fancy sword guys and they can do the lord of the rings thing where the elves hop over the dwarves during a charge

>>96314835
>I would like it if there were dwarfs and elfs wearing new Cities gear so they don't stand out like a sore thumb.
Nah thats something I dont want. Elves and dwarves should be distinct from humans on what they wear. I would suggest to base the elves on the living city and dwarves on grey water, but that reduces the /yourdudes/ potential.

>>96314870
What's the POINT of the CITIES being a UNITY between RACES if they don't even LIVE TOGETHER?

>>96314886
Not all cities are melting pots though. You have specific cities where one race is more prominent than the other.

>>96314910
That's the thing, one is PROMINENT, not the ONLY one. So why shouldn't elves and dwarves who live in these cities wear similar armor to humans?

>>96314958
>>96314958
>>96314958

>>96313579
Yeah, that's what troons are.

>>96305399
>Speaking of sloptubers, why is picrel the only youtuber that makes succesful 100k+ aos lore videos ? I can understand why others haven't managed to (more esoteric lore + no vidya for secondaries), but how has this guy managed to break the curse?
Because AoS doesn't have 'lore' like 40k and HH and necromunda and fantasy do. The whole point of AoS lore is that it is barebones as fuck, ostensibly for 'your dudes' but actually because corporate suits in 2014 found the whole 'world with established history' to be stifling. If AoS was written more like 40k you would have an in-depth dive into the cults of dead or fallen gods like Xereus or Gazul and various civilizations and kings would have a more meaningful history. But part of the reason they don't is because it would clash with the 'actual' history of nagash just eating death gods and sigmar beating people up.